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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff live right

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot com Schmolke Tsino with you the

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Speaker 1: phone number two oh one nine nine four five one

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Speaker 1: three or hashtag Giants Chat on Twitter. We continue our

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Speaker 1: preview of the Giants opponents this year. The last couple

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Speaker 1: of days you heard the Redskins and Eagles with Davis

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Speaker 1: skipping the Cowboys because Mickey Spagnola will go to guys

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Speaker 1: not available till after our July fourth break, so we'll

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Speaker 1: get him along with the Texans done. So we will

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Speaker 1: do a little Texas to trip on the Monday we

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Speaker 1: get back from the fourth of July vacation. And that

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Speaker 1: gives us a good uh reminder to you folks that

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Speaker 1: there are no shows next week. The Giants offices are

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Speaker 1: closed for renovations, construction and just general vacation. So no

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Speaker 1: shows next week were Monday not here paintings, and we

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Speaker 1: do have a show tomorrow with Jeff Eagles and I

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Speaker 1: and we'll be talking to George Charrui of Pro Football Focus,

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Speaker 1: one of their numbers guys, and we'll do a full

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Speaker 1: hour with him on a deep dive into football analytics.

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Speaker 1: So if you're in to the math stuff, it'll be

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Speaker 1: a fun thing and uh, we'll learn exactly what they

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Speaker 1: can do what they can't do when you'll learn about

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Speaker 1: what some of these inside football analytics stuff is. UM

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Speaker 1: and no show on Friday. That begins our vacation. So

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Speaker 1: that's where we're going. Let's talk about where we were

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Speaker 1: the last couple of days. We'll get to the Jaguars

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Speaker 1: at twelve thirty with John Osier. He's their senior writer

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Speaker 1: for Jaguars dot Com. Paul, last couple of days, I

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Speaker 1: haven't had a chance to go back and listen to

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Speaker 1: the two interviews, so let's start with the order you didn't.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the Eagles first. What do you think, UM,

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Speaker 1: was the biggest thing you learned from Dave Spadar when

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Speaker 1: you spoke to him about the Eagles. UM. I do

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Speaker 1: think that there is a lot of concern in Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: about the back seven on defense. They really like their

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Speaker 1: front line, and why shouldn't they. They you know, gone

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Speaker 1: out to add Michael Bennett from Seattle, the terrific pass rusher.

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Speaker 1: They lost Viny Curry, Yeah, but they still have the

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Speaker 1: ability to rotate absolutely up front. But but I do

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Speaker 1: get a sense him him there is concern, a heavy

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Speaker 1: and Kendricks too, and Michael Kendricks also left that Now,

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Speaker 1: his his thinking to kind of capsualize it is that

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Speaker 1: last year, the quarterbacks who got rid of the ball quickly,

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Speaker 1: and he cited Eli Manning is one of them, and

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady obviously in the Super Yeah, I think he

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Speaker 1: make sense. Said that those guys with that style of

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Speaker 1: offense gave the Eagles defense fits last years because it

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Speaker 1: neutralizes the pass rush and it makes their strongest point

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Speaker 1: on defense irrelevant. And so if you can then pick

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Speaker 1: apart the back seven, you're going to give them a

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Speaker 1: tough time and force the Eagles offense now to be

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Speaker 1: in a track meet. And that's what happened in the

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Speaker 1: two Giants games. That's what happened against the Patriots. We

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Speaker 1: saw it happen. And he said to him that seemed

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Speaker 1: to be the Achilles heel of the team because they

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Speaker 1: have not rectified the issues in the back seven on defense. Now,

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Speaker 1: remind me Patrick Robinson left? Is that correct? Warner? Um?

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Speaker 1: But they are getting back their second round pick last year,

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Speaker 1: they get the kid that towards Achilles. What has he

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Speaker 1: done so far in the spring? You know what? Um,

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Speaker 1: he seems to think that he's on track, but again

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Speaker 1: me call up the Eagles depth chart again because once

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Speaker 1: and talking what we talked about with him. Um. His

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Speaker 1: do do do? He? Of course he still likes their

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Speaker 1: I think that's probably fair. How about what do you

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Speaker 1: They talk about that at all. I don't remember him

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Speaker 1: So that remains to be seen how they can rectify that.

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Speaker 1: But for the most part, that kind of is a

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Speaker 1: indicated that the matchup with the Giants is a problem

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Speaker 1: don't think. Again, any folks, if you have any questions, Eagles, Redskins,

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Speaker 1: Doug in Rochester will lead us off. Hi, Doug, Hey,

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Speaker 1: what's up? John Pard? Do it well? Dog? What's up? Um? Paul?

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Speaker 1: I mean John, don't want to ask you something right quick?

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Speaker 1: that it's structured, you're gonna get you money anyway. It's

427
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Speaker 1: a little bit of trickery that can be used. Um,

428
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Speaker 1: thank you, I appreciate the call, buddy. There's more than

429
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Speaker 1: one way to get other than taking a pay cut.

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Speaker 1: That's the point. Thank you. Jad. We appreciate You're going

431
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Speaker 1: to say, appreciate what you did. We appreciate what you

432
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Speaker 1: do listening and calling in and being part of the program. Right,

433
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Speaker 1: we got two guys. Damn, we only got about five

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Speaker 1: minutes here before we get our guests on. Let's take

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Speaker 1: these two calls. You won't take anymore. Let's go to

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Speaker 1: David Cranford. He's up next. Hi, Dave, how are you

437
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Speaker 1: all right? Dave? What's up? I just wanted to say

438
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Speaker 1: something about you guys. I know you're not gonna want

439
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Speaker 1: to connect because you don't like self aggrandizing things. But

440
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Speaker 1: you know, I listened to a lot of other programs,

441
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Speaker 1: and you know, I know that you guys, you know whatever. Technically,

442
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 1: I guess work for the for the Giants, but at

443
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, you guys are real football guys.

444
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Speaker 1: And I think it's one of the reasons that this

445
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Speaker 1: show is so popular and hopefully growing in popularity, is

446
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Speaker 1: that you guys can actually uparade out, you know, rooting

447
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: for the Giants and hoping that they do well because

448
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,239
Speaker 1: it's you know, good for you, good for us, good

449
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Speaker 1: for everybody. But but at the end of the day,

450
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: you still can analyze you know, the team, the coaches,

451
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: the staff, the ownership, and it's it's really what makes

452
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Speaker 1: the program so great. So I just wanted to mention

453
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Speaker 1: that for you guys, Dave, you know what I think,

454
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Speaker 1: Thank you for that. And you know, sometimes it's it's

455
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Speaker 1: a balance that that we have to find. You know,

456
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Speaker 1: there are certain things we can't talk about like UM,

457
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,199
Speaker 1: guys on other teams for example, UM, and you know,

458
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 1: things like that transactions before their official that that that's

459
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Speaker 1: another perfect example. But you know, the Giants organization does

460
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Speaker 1: a great job of allowing us to be honest in

461
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Speaker 1: our analysis. And no, we don't root for the Giants.

462
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Speaker 1: Do we want them to do well? Yes, because that's

463
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Speaker 1: that that's good for us, it's good for everybody. It

464
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Speaker 1: makes the program better. So we obviously want the team

465
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Speaker 1: to do well. Last November and less December, hosting the

466
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Speaker 1: show pretty much sucked, I mean, and we we don't

467
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Speaker 1: want to have to do that again. So and you know,

468
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Speaker 1: so we're not here being homers and rooting. We try

469
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Speaker 1: to be honest in our now elysis. We have our opinions.

470
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Speaker 1: We don't attack anybody personally, and and like you said,

471
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Speaker 1: we try to be UM as honest and truthful as

472
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Speaker 1: you possibly can in our analysis, and the Giants organization

473
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Speaker 1: is great in allowing us to do that. So hopefully

474
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Speaker 1: you guys are out there understand that we never will

475
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: tell you something on this show that we don't believe,

476
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Speaker 1: Okay never. I think it comes across. My only point,

477
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Speaker 1: Johnt is they're the famous saying in business that you

478
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Speaker 1: don't have to be faster than the bear, I only

479
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: have to be faster than you. And at the end

480
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Speaker 1: of the day, the reality is not a lot of

481
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Speaker 1: other you know, UM places do that, and that kind

482
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Speaker 1: of leads me to my point. I know they're not

483
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Speaker 1: the team today, but I know you're gonna eventually get

484
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Speaker 1: to the to the Cowboys at some point and I

485
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Speaker 1: and I really just wanted to say something about when

486
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Speaker 1: you do get there, because I find them to be

487
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Speaker 1: one of the biggest you know that they're a great

488
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Speaker 1: marketing organization, They're they're unbelievable from the time Jerry Jones

489
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Speaker 1: bought the team UM and and you know, but I

490
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Speaker 1: think there's a lot in terms of their roster construction,

491
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Speaker 1: and I think it's relevant going into this year because

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Speaker 1: I think there's a really good chance that Dallas finishes

493
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Speaker 1: this year again like they have mostly under Jason Garrett,

494
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Speaker 1: you know, statistically at an eight and eight or nine

495
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Speaker 1: and seven type of of of teams. And you know,

496
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Speaker 1: they spin the fact that you know, even though Jason

497
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Speaker 1: Garrett begged, you know, Jason Witten to stay on a

498
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Speaker 1: team somehow. Now all the news coming out of Dallas

499
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Speaker 1: is that they're going to spread the ball around knowing

500
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Speaker 1: me it's the number one receiver because they don't they

501
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: don't have one, right, So this is the spin. My

502
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Speaker 1: point is is that in a salary cap world, and

503
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Speaker 1: when if you go back and look when salary cap

504
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: and came into the league in the Cowboys were at

505
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Speaker 1: the end of their run. They won you know, one

506
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Speaker 1: or two more Super Bowls with the great teams that

507
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Speaker 1: they built, but they built them in a in a

508
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Speaker 1: non salary cap world. You look at even their offensive line,

509
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Speaker 1: and I give them one credit, which is hard for

510
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Speaker 1: me to do. I'll give them one credit. They drafted

511
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Speaker 1: some great offensive line, which is hard to do. But

512
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Speaker 1: now they have a problem on their hands where over

513
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Speaker 1: the next number of years they have over three hundred

514
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Speaker 1: million dollars committed to one position group. As great as

515
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Speaker 1: it is, it's still one position group and a position

516
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Speaker 1: group that doesn't touch the football, right. So you look

517
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Speaker 1: at them going forward, and I think the biggest issue

518
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Speaker 1: is they talked about Dak Prescott this year. They're going

519
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Speaker 1: to have a real problem on their hands if they

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Speaker 1: finish eight in eight or nine and seven, because next

521
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Speaker 1: year they have to commit to desk Dak Prescott. They're

522
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Speaker 1: not committed to him. They're paying them six hundred grant.

523
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Speaker 1: He's like the sixties paid quarterback in the league. And

524
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Speaker 1: if you go back and look at the Seahawks when

525
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Speaker 1: they basically won back to back Super Bowls minus one

526
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Speaker 1: bone headed play, they didn't but they should have. You

527
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Speaker 1: know that was because they had a young group of talent,

528
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Speaker 1: particularly at quarterback. So think about it this way. They're

529
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Speaker 1: going into every game this year and they have an

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Speaker 1: advantage over every other team predominantly that they're gonna play

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Speaker 1: because they've got twenty million dollars. The other team that

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Speaker 1: they're playing, like the Giants are paying twenty million dollars

533
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Speaker 1: to their quarterback that the Cowboys aren't paying at should

534
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Speaker 1: be a great team right now and they're not. Well,

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Speaker 1: here's the well here's the thing, Dave, the reason, and

536
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Speaker 1: I think people haven't really noticed this. The Cowboys are

537
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Speaker 1: now an extremely young team. Um. They have a couple

538
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Speaker 1: of veterans on that roster now in Sean Lee and

539
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Speaker 1: maybe Cole Beasley, you want to go there. They're almost

540
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Speaker 1: entire defensive line in secondary is filled with young players.

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Speaker 1: Their linebacker corps or you're all young players. Even their

542
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Speaker 1: starting offensive line that's getting paid all this money. None

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Speaker 1: of them are thirty. They're all young players. Their receivers

544
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: are all young players. So they've kind of made this

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Speaker 1: transition from the Romo dez Witten Cowboys to this next

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Speaker 1: group of guys. And I think the organization actually drafts

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Speaker 1: a lot better than people give them credit. Or but

548
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: you're right, it's gonna get dicey for them, um when

549
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Speaker 1: they have to figure out how to pay Prescott. Eventually,

550
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: these guys on defense who they drafted are are are

551
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: gonna come up as well. And how you balance that

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Speaker 1: with the offensive line. Now, if i'm then I wouldn't

553
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Speaker 1: let Zack Moore and Travis Frederick or Tyrant Smith walk

554
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: away either. I mean, you know they're great players. Why

555
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: would you let the walk But You're right. You you

556
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: can't pay for everything. Eventually, you're gonna have to play

557
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: young guys somewhere that don't make a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: And it looks like the Cowboys have decided that they're

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Speaker 1: going to either do that on defense or they're gonna

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00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 1: do that a wide receiver because they do have so

561
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Speaker 1: much money invested on the offensive line. And that's something

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Speaker 1: I think and and Dave, thanks for the core we

563
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: of our guests coming up, that's something I think, no problem.

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Speaker 1: And that's something I think the Giants were thinking ahead

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Speaker 1: with when they decided not to bring back rich Berg

566
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Speaker 1: and Pew because they understood that other guys were coming

567
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: up and they were gonna have to pay other guys.

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Speaker 1: You can't pay everybody. You have to make the most

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Speaker 1: get the most value out of the money you spend. Dave,

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Speaker 1: thanks a lot for the core man One. Final nuggets

571
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Speaker 1: on the Cowboys as you look to move forward with

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Speaker 1: that team, and they are certainly in the process of

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Speaker 1: the rebuild. Uh, if they go through another five hundred

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Speaker 1: or so season with Jason Garrett, they may not have

575
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Speaker 1: that head coach. That's it. They need to be a

576
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Speaker 1: playoff team this year or he's gone, So I think

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00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: that's pretty much a garring that then becomes another element

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Speaker 1: of the rebuild and the frustrating thing. I'm sure from

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Speaker 1: their organization standpoint, I'm sure they believe they would have

580
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Speaker 1: made the playoffs last year Zekel doesn't get suspended, which

581
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Speaker 1: frankly they probably would have, but that's not how it went.

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Speaker 1: So um, that's something that they're gonna have to figure

583
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Speaker 1: out moving forward. But again, they're a young team and frankly,

584
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Speaker 1: they have to figure out whether or not they're willing

585
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Speaker 1: and how much they will want to pay Dak Prescott

586
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Speaker 1: after this year, depending on how he plays. If he

587
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: doesn't play well, then maybe they keep him around, but

588
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: they start looking for the next guy. I mean, that's

589
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a real consideration. Gonna plays Poyer this year.

590
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: He's not getting a million dollar year contract. No, just not.

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Speaker 1: It's not happening, and there's no guarantee. Who knows how

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00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna play. And frankly, he's in a great position

593
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Speaker 1: with the offensive line, the running back, but how is

594
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: he throwing the ball too? It is actually making easy

595
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Speaker 1: for him from a from a receiver standpoint. You know,

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Speaker 1: That's why I don't think Dallas is making the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: but we got a call. Absolutely. We have our guests

598
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Speaker 1: coming up, um, and we thank them for joining us

599
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Speaker 1: as you can continue our team preview here as you

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Speaker 1: go through the Giants schedule. Um, we already did a

601
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Speaker 1: couple of the NFC East teams, the Redskins and the Eagles.

602
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Speaker 1: So you want to go to the first team on

603
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Speaker 1: the Giant schedule and that's John Osher. He covers the

604
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars for Jaguars dot Com. John, you got John

605
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Speaker 1: Schmulkin paulled Toatino here in East Weather for New Jersey.

606
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Speaker 1: How are you good? It must be the offseason and

607
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: for previewing the opponents. You got that right, John, John,

608
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Speaker 1: you gotta find something to talk about, my friend. And

609
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Speaker 1: it's funny. We actually, I'm sure you heard. We were

610
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: just taught. We had a fan call up about the

611
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Speaker 1: Cowboys in their quarterback situation when they eventually get to

612
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Speaker 1: pay prescott Um. The Jaguars are in a very similar

613
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Speaker 1: situation in that they're a little further along of Blake

614
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: Borders being on his fifth year option this year, but

615
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: this is a pretty big year for them and figuring

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Speaker 1: out if he's the answer moving forward or are they

617
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Speaker 1: gonna have to go back to the drawing board after

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Speaker 1: this season, isn't it? Yeah, And they've kind of taken

619
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Speaker 1: a an unusual approach to it and that they believe

620
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Speaker 1: he's the guy. Uh. They're fortunate in the sense that

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Speaker 1: they were able to pay him this off season in

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Speaker 1: such a way that fits with a salary cap situation

623
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Speaker 1: that is increasingly becoming an issue, if that's the right

624
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Speaker 1: way to say it. They went through their rebuild, uh,

625
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: you know, last couple off seasons, and they're now the

626
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: situation where they're fine for this year, but after two

627
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: thousand eighteen is when you know, all the rent comes due,

628
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Speaker 1: if you will, on a J boy, Clay's campbell, everybody's

629
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Speaker 1: last year. So they were they've been able to keep

630
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Speaker 1: Blake's salary, you know, manageable for a quarterback, expensive for

631
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Speaker 1: anybody else. But yeah, I mean, uh, if he plays

632
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Speaker 1: the way that he played at the end of last season,

633
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Speaker 1: which was very good and in the playoffs very good

634
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Speaker 1: for the most part, then the contract that he's been

635
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Speaker 1: given is one of those rare quarterback contracts that sort

636
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Speaker 1: of makes sense. Most of the of the big quarterback

637
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: contracts when you look at them, they make no sense

638
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: with the salary cap, but you gotta pay him because

639
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Speaker 1: their quarterbacks. If if he plays well, it's a good

640
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: contract for him, a good contract for the team. If

641
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: he doesn't, then, you know, like any quarterback, you gotta

642
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: reassess everything. You know, John, It's often said that you're

643
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: never as bad as you look, or you never as

644
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: good as you look. You're probably somewhere in the middle. Uh,

645
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: You've got a Jaguars team down there that you know

646
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: it was just horrible the year before, puts up double

647
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: digit wins last year, goes two rounds into the playoffs.

648
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: You know, this is one of those parody driven teams

649
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: that the NFL loves, you know, where parody drives the

650
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,479
Speaker 1: opportunity for a team to go from wors to first

651
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: and make a quick turnaround. In your mind, what was

652
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: the biggest key to that turnaround? Because there are Giants

653
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: fans who were saying, hey, we won three games last year,

654
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: we'd love to make the playoffs this year, and the

655
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: Jaguars are the poster team for someone to do that. Well,

656
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: there were so many things the the the bill takes

657
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: a long time to explain, but there was talent here.

658
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: And then last year they really hit on uh Claias Campbell,

659
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: a J. Boy, a Berry Church, where three guys they

660
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: got in free agency that were home run uh As

661
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: any NFL fans now, it's rare to hit three homers

662
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: in free agency, to the point where Claius Campbell and

663
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: A J. Boy we're both ap all pros. Well, the

664
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: Giants two years absolutely right, precisely so. And then they

665
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: also drafted Leonard Fournett, who was able to fit in

666
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: to the running game the way they wanted to play.

667
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden second half the season,

668
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: all those things sort of clicked. They started winning close games,

669
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 1: and the formula that they worked or that they wanted

670
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: to be was all of a sudden playing out my experiences, Yes,

671
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: the Giants did a couple of years ago, words did

672
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: it last year. It's still pretty rare to get to

673
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: the a f C Championship game from a three and

674
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: thirteen season or four and twelve season, whatever they were

675
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: in two thousand six. Um, But it worked because they

676
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: became a very good defense very quickly, and they were

677
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: willing to play a game that steer towards defense. They're

678
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: willing to run the ball, They're willing to believe they're

679
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: gonna win close games, They're willing to play in that

680
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: ball control a way. Uh, they kind of believe in

681
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: who they are, right. That was a big reason for

682
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: the turnaround last year. You know, it's John, It's funny

683
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: you mentioned that because a lot of Giant fans that

684
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: have kind of brought up um one of the reasons

685
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: the Giants should have drafted to Sae Kwon Barkley compusity

686
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: the impact Leonard Fournette had on the Jaguars last year.

687
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think I'm not trying to say Leonard

688
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: fron that didn't have an impact. He did. But to me,

689
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: the Jaguars success last year was about their style and

690
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: the result of the style wasn't that you know, four

691
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: Nett was some explosive guy averaging five yards per carry.

692
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: It was the way you ran the ball, controlled it.

693
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: And then like you just said, play a defensive brand

694
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: of football and trying to win games with your defense.

695
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 1: To me, all of none of that matters on offense

696
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: with Leonard Fournette if the defense isn't fantastic last year,

697
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: and that to me was the main difference with the

698
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: Jaguars is that you were fine punting the football and

699
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: putting the defense on the field because you were confident

700
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: that they were going to get the stop. I think

701
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 1: you wind up having with a plus seventeen turnover ratio

702
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: because you were able to play so conservatively on offense

703
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 1: because of that defense. And to me, you have young

704
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: guys on defense still getting better. You mentioned the veterans.

705
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: I see no reason that defense takes a step back

706
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, there's nothing on paper. Injuries obviously play

707
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: into everything, but that's it on paper that makes you

708
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: think they won't be better, mainly because you've got guys

709
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: like Jalen Ramsey. You've got guys like Kelvin Smith, Miles

710
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: Jack who appeared to be getting better, especially Jalen and

711
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: Miles Jack, and a guy named Unique and Gottway who's

712
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: their pass rushing defensive ant. These guys were all in

713
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: their second year last year, going into their third, they

714
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: appear to still be as sending players. And to your point,

715
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: this absolutely was a team last year that against sort

716
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: of modern NFL conventional wisdom, if you will. They're very

717
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: willing to Hey, we're up ten three in the fourth

718
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: quarter of playoff game against Buffalo. We believe a punt

719
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: is a good play here because we don't leave they're

720
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: going to score on. Now that leaves the open the

721
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: second guessing if the team does score, But they really

722
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: believe that their defense is good enough to carry him.

723
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: Now in the second halb a C championship game, you're

724
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: playing Tom Brady and it didn't work out that way,

725
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: but it certainly carried them that far. Although there were

726
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 1: signs last year this defense. To me, this offense ranked

727
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: six in the NFL and yards and not fifth in points.

728
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: So the interesting thing of this offseason and early this

729
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: season for this team was this an offense last year

730
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: that was starting to show signs of being better than

731
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: conventional wisdom gave it credit for. I don't think it's

732
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: going to be an elite uh, you know, point the

733
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: year offense, but there were signs last year that make

734
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: you think this offense is better than what the perception was. Well,

735
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: you know, John Tom Coughlin said for years here with

736
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: the Giants before he wound up landing with Jacksonville again

737
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: for a second time. More games in this league are

738
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: lost than they are one. And that's exactly how you

739
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: guys played, played the percentages, did not lose games, and

740
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: and look how far it took you. So there's a

741
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 1: lot of basis and sound thinking in that philosophy. Uh,

742
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: let me ask you particularly about the biggest acquisition that

743
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 1: this teammate in the offseason, Andrew Norwell, highest paid guard.

744
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: We all know about the numbers now the second highest

745
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: the resigning a part Dallas, but we understand that the

746
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: brink struck was backed up. So it's a two prompt question.

747
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: First of all, how important was it to what the

748
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: Jaguars wanted to do that they literally had to back

749
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: up a brinkstruck to get this guy because they bowled

750
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: everybody out of the water to get this guy. And

751
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: then second part, Patrick o'mama, who was a guy that

752
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: Giants have signed. Um, it seemed to me that you

753
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: had a pretty solid offensive line, a power run team,

754
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: a team that ran the ball, controlled the clock, did

755
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: all these smart things with a pretty good, high quality alignment.

756
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: As it was, so explain to me those two aspects

757
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: of the question. If you can't uh simply put the

758
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: second half the a s C Championship game, this team

759
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: led by ten and there were four straight possessions where

760
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: they couldn't run when they wanted to run. And although

761
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: this was a number one ranked running team in the

762
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: league last year, there were a lot of times in

763
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: the second half of the season where when the Jaguars

764
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 1: wanted to play the game where you give the ball

765
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: to four net and you run out the clock and

766
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: you dominate by being a running team, too often they

767
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: couldn't do it, so they had to upgrade somewhere. They

768
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: liked the mom a, but they're thinking is they wanted

769
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: to be a team that is able to run the

770
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: ball when they need to run it when the other

771
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: team knows you want to run it. Uh. Norwell's and

772
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: all pro. As good as the mommy was, he wasn't

773
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: an all Pro. They feel like the left side of

774
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: their line where Norwell plays, should over time start gearing

775
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: towards being a Cowboys type of line. And by that meaning,

776
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: remember when Elliott was going good in two thousand and sixteen,

777
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: you knew Dallas was running and they were going to

778
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: run anyway. That's hard to get to in the NFL

779
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: unless unless your whole lines elite. I don't know how elite.

780
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: The Jaguars often the line is gonna beat this year.

781
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: But that is certainly the reason for the Norwell signing

782
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: is they want to be as good running the ball

783
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: in reality as their statistics showed that they were, and

784
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: too often in the second half of last season they

785
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: couldn't run when they wanted to run. Interesting And the

786
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: guy he's gonna be playing next to was Cam Robinson.

787
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 1: That's what I want to ask you about, because he's

788
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: somebody that well we spoke a lot about in terms

789
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: of the Giants last year, or rather in the two

790
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: thousand and seventeen draft, whether or not they should take

791
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: him with their spot in the UH I think around

792
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: two or so in that first round. And I think

793
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: there's a lot of varied impressions of how he played.

794
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: I know Pro Football Focus said he had a poor year,

795
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,439
Speaker 1: but you look at the results of the run game

796
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: in the offense, like, well shouldn't you didn't you left

797
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,919
Speaker 1: tackle have to play well if the offense was so good.

798
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: So from somebody that watched him every day, what did

799
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 1: Cam Robinson do last year? I know they didn't expect

800
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: him to be their starting left tackle from day one? Um,

801
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: and how did he play? And and what's the where's

802
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: the hour pointing for him moving forward. He played absolutely

803
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: well enough to make you think that he's gonna be

804
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: really good. Uh. My guess is the PFF grade. Uh

805
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: he was inconsistent of time, and my guess is that,

806
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: Uh there were a lot of plays where there were

807
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: errors they counted against in a grading system. I don't

808
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: know PFF system. But he he played. He showed everything

809
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: you want to see from a young player and then

810
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: also showed the things from a young player to make

811
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: you think, Okay, there's still a lot of room to grow.

812
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: He needed to gain strength, he needed to gain experience.

813
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: They believe he's a left tackle of the future. Um,

814
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 1: if he plays the way in year in year three

815
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: that he played in year one, I don't think they'd

816
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: be real thrilled with it. Uh. If he if he

817
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,479
Speaker 1: improves from that, which is every reason to think he will,

818
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: if he gets stronger. He was twenty one years old

819
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: as a rookie. That's pretty young for an offensive lineman.

820
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: You're still trying to gain that man strength that you

821
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: gained your first couple of years. So they like him.

822
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: I don't think they would be thrilled if at the

823
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: end of this season he's as good as he was

824
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: midway through year one, but he showed progression in last year.

825
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: He looks like he's the guy who can continue to

826
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: get better. Uh. I'll put it this way. There was

827
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: no thought in the offseason we've got to change directions.

828
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: But that's because there's a belief that he will get better.

829
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 1: So I sort of grief p F F F grade.

830
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: I don't think he should have been one of the

831
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 1: highest rated tackles in the league, but I they believe

832
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,959
Speaker 1: strongly that he will eventually be a first round pick

833
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: type of left tackle. You're the kind of guy that

834
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: you guys were talking about maybe the Giants to draft

835
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: last year. Absolutely, you know, I don't want to leave

836
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: the ball on the ground here. So I want to

837
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: digress and go back to the previous question about Omama

838
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: because it almost sounds like he might have been the

839
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: scapegoat as Tom Coughlin wanted to get a dominant line.

840
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: Not just a good old line, but a dominant line,

841
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: and that's why he upgraded to Norwell. Since this is

842
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: a Giant show, I gotta ask her from a little

843
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: more about Omama. What are the Giants getting in him

844
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: as a player. Obviously he's not an All Pro, he's

845
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: not a dominant player. But what will Giants fans like

846
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: about him? And what will they kind of sneer about

847
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, well that wasn't such a great, great,

848
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: great deal. Um, probably inconsistency when you're looking at a

849
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 1: guy who, uh, he's a good player and like you said,

850
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: is not going to be a pro bowler. Well, what

851
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: the Jaguars were trying to find in Norwell they wanted

852
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: something to upgrade somewhere, and they couldn't upgrade their center

853
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: because Brandon Linder was there and he's he's the guy

854
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: who was a core player. Couldn't upgrade Robinson. Uh, they

855
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: have a right tackle, And when they looked in free agency,

856
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: Norwell was the way to get better and get an

857
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: elite guy as opposed to an okay guy. You know,

858
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: the thing in the league is always you're supposed to

859
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 1: be able to cover up okay guards with a center

860
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: and tackles around him. I'd say if the Jaguars that

861
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: had elite right tackle, left tackle center, then I think

862
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: a mommy would have been fine. But if you look

863
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: if they were looking for a way to upgrade, then

864
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: I think you know, and they liked him. You never

865
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: heard bad things about a mom A, but it was

866
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: sort of a situation where it, look, we've got that's

867
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: great somewhere. We like this guy, but okay, wow, here's

868
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: an all pro guy available. What happens to be in

869
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: a Mommy's spot? So not great. I don't think he's

870
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: ever going to be in the Pro Bowl. But the

871
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: jag Wars certainly if if they hadn't gotten norwell in

872
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: free agency, I don't think they would have had a

873
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: problem going back to mom A. That's probably the best

874
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: way to answer the question. All Right, I got two

875
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: questions about skill position guys, and Paul changed tunes to

876
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: the defense. You're even really touched on your defense a

877
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: whole lot yet, Um, real quick on Leonard for Nette,

878
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: is he going to be able to stay healthy long term?

879
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: You go back to college, who's always heard and injury

880
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: problems last year? Is that a concern down there in

881
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: Jacksonville that do they have to maybe manage his carries

882
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: a little bit to keep him healthy. Yeah, it's a

883
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 1: question you've got to answer, and I don't know how

884
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: to answer it because the reality is he hasn't stayed healthy.

885
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: It was an issue last year, it's been ankled, it's

886
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: been the same area. Uh, there is a part of

887
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: you that wonders, you know, is he going to be able?

888
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: He played at think it was fourteen last year. For

889
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: thirteen or fourteen game. That's not bad for a running

890
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: back in this league. You know, especially a guy like him.

891
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: It takes a lot of pounding. You would think there's

892
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: going to be a game or two where he's gonna

893
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: be questionable where you hold them out to try to

894
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: get him fresher. That's sort of what his situation was

895
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: last year. By the same token, there was a stretch

896
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: the last year where the ankle, clearly from a press

897
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: box point of view, looked like he was holding them back. Um,

898
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: it is a big, big issue for this team in

899
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: terms of they're a better team when he's showing freshness, pop,

900
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: all those things. He lost ten pounds this offseason, so

901
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: they think that will make him a faster player. But

902
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: I think it's a question he's got to answer. I

903
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: think it's it's going to be the question that defines

904
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 1: the bulk of his career, that five or six year

905
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 1: period where he's in his prime. Uh, if he can't

906
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: stay healthier than he was last year, then I don't

907
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: think he'll be the player that you drafted to be

908
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 1: number four. That said, he's still the engine that drives

909
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: of this offense. He's still the identity of this offense.

910
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: But it's a major question. John Ozier, Jaguars dot Com

911
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: Wide receiver is real quick. You guys have really turned

912
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: over that wide receiver corps. Marcas Lee really the only

913
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: guy left? Uh? Donte Moncrief Now there you drafted d

914
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: J hr Keelan Colan, d D. Westbrook, two young guys

915
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 1: that played well at the end of last year. Um,

916
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: is this a wide open competition here for who your

917
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: top three whiteouts are? What's your overall big picture take

918
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: on them? What you see from the wide receiver position

919
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: right now? Well, it strikes me and I didn't follow

920
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: the Giants obviously close the day of their teams I've covered,

921
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: but when Tom was there, except when they had Plexico,

922
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 1: they were sort of a wide receiver group from afar

923
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: anyway that looked like it. It used a lot of guys,

924
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily have a true one per se and and

925
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 1: sort of did a lot of things by committee. Uh,

926
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: maybe not exactly, but there are a lot of guys

927
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: except to make plays. That's what they're building here. They

928
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: laid Allen Robinson go, they let Alan Hearns go to Dallas.

929
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: They feel like with Markisley and Donte Moncrease starting and

930
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: Keelan Cole playing that third role. They like those three.

931
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: But it wouldn't be shocking to see DJH. Shark or

932
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: D D. Westbrook step in and get a lot of

933
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: reps and a lot of and a lot of the catches.

934
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: So they've got a three meaning those first three I mentioned,

935
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 1: but it wouldn't be shocking at all to see either

936
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: of the other two guys be the team's leading receiver

937
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: in a in a given game. This is not a

938
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: franchise right now that believes it needs a quote unquote one.

939
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: And again my impression from Afar was that the approach

940
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: that Tom took a lot of years up there. You know,

941
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: it's funny. They never actually, besides Burris, you're right, used

942
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: a lot of resources on the wide receiver pitstage. They

943
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: were just fortunate that one of those guys that will

944
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: be part of the committee, Victor Cruz, became a number one,

945
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: and no one expected him to be that when hurt

946
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: and was the NeXT's going to say, Paul, you can

947
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: go to the defense. Yeah. Uh. You know, one of

948
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: my favorite guys in recent years in the draft and

949
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: it's a shame that he had the knee injury coming

950
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: out of U c l A was Myles jack And

951
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: we all know that's the only reason that he dropped

952
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: as far as he did, and that Jacksonville was able

953
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: to get their hands on him two years in and

954
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: he played the whole season last year. Are there still

955
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: whispers and concerns about his durability or is is he

956
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: proven everything that he needs to prove that he's going

957
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: to be a dominant leader on this defense for the

958
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: next several years. Well, it's kind of funny thing with Miles.

959
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: The thing was his knee was never coming out that

960
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: it was going to be a short term issue, meaning

961
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: very few teams had any doubt that he was going

962
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: to be fine for first year, five for the second year.

963
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 1: What they didn't know coming out was how long the

964
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: knee would be able to hold up. If he'd have

965
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: a ten year career a twelve year career, And you know,

966
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: I don't know that they really know that there has

967
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: been those signs of any problem so far. Uh so,

968
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: it's it's sort of a situation where you just you

969
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: assume he's going to be fine until he's not. I've

970
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: heard no whispers along those lines, but that was such

971
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: a major storyline when he was coming out that it's

972
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: hard to ignore it. How long will he last week?

973
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: He's playing in his ninth year at a high level.

974
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, but they sort of took the approach

975
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: when they drafted him. Hey, we believe it's going to

976
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: be fine for the short term. If we get X

977
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: number of years out of him, then it's worth a

978
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: second round pick right now, Guys, if I had to

979
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: pick a player who was ascending, is gonna have a

980
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: breakout year? I think Myles gonna be a Pro Bowl

981
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: player this year. I don't know if that means he'll

982
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: get voted in. But in three games last year in

983
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:52,959
Speaker 1: the playoffs, Miles had a it had a tips pass

984
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: that led to the game changing interception against Buffalo, had

985
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 1: an interception early against the Steelers that really change the

986
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: dynamic of that game. And of course he had the

987
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: fumble recovery that everybody remembers in the second half the

988
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: championship game. Three impact plays in three playoff games. Uh. Now,

989
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: I don't know that he has sixteen and sixteen regular

990
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: season game, but he's the guy that out of all

991
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: these guys that he talked about on defense, that looks

992
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: like the rising star. My sense, well, first of all,

993
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: I know Joe Ramsey's damn good sense is that he's

994
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: damn good and lets people know that he's damn good

995
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: when he's on the field. With that being said, how

996
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: much fun is this Ramsey Beckham matchup gonna be in

997
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: week number one? Oh? It's it's Uh. Jalen mentioned Jalen

998
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: is the kind of guy that you love to cover

999
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: um and it's a fan that you love him if

1000
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: he's on your team, you hate him if he's not

1001
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: on your team. He's the prototypical guy of that in

1002
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: his U. In the one time he talked during mini

1003
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: camp it's one off seas and talk, he kind of

1004
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: smiled when they asked him, have you circled any matchups

1005
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: and yet? And uh, Jalen is certainly the kind of

1006
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: guy he circles all the big name matchups he's got

1007
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: and he kind of smile. He goes, well, you know,

1008
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: I've circled Week one because obviously people are gonna be

1009
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: talking about that, and that was sort of a boring

1010
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: quote that week. I'm sure they'll be really good quotes.

1011
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: But my guess is that both of those guys, uh again,

1012
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: I've never covered O'Dell, but my guess is he has

1013
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: a lot of respect for Jalen and and and my

1014
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: guess is Jalen has a let of respect for him.

1015
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: They'll be trash talk that there has to be because

1016
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: they're both trash stalkers. But my guess is those guys

1017
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: are are a lot alike in that sense that it's

1018
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of fun. They're both looking towards

1019
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,720
Speaker 1: the challenge. But I don't get the feeling from watching

1020
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: O'Dell from Afar that he's a malicious, mean guy. Um,

1021
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: and I think Jalen is the same way. I think

1022
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: they love being football players, they love being stars. I

1023
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: think both of them have a lot of fun with it.

1024
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: And it's if you're circling Marquee matchups. It's certainly one

1025
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: for for for y'all's world in our world. But that's

1026
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: got to be the lead of Dion's primetime show that night,

1027
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 1: right then, John, What the heck happened between Jalen Ramsey

1028
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: and A. J. Green was A J. Green seems like

1029
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: the most mild manner guy in the football field, like ever,

1030
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: and whatever Jalen Ramsey did to him, holy cow, he snapped,

1031
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: What the heck happened with that? Yeah, Jalen came out

1032
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: the next week and he just kind of said he

1033
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 1: he took off from the very beginning of that game,

1034
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: telling A J. He was soft, telling him he was

1035
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: past his prime, telling me and and Jalen went on

1036
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: the record all this on like the Wednesday following and

1037
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,919
Speaker 1: just I think Jalen just knew he could get under

1038
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,720
Speaker 1: his skin and just kept going and going and going,

1039
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: and uh, they didn't like it. We've seen, yeah, we've

1040
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: seen people trying to do that to Odell Beckham Jr.

1041
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: And that gets kind of ugly too. Week one could

1042
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: be fun Hello, Yeah, so that's Jalen demo. And it

1043
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: was kind of funny when you really looked back at

1044
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: the A. J. Green Jalen fight. Except for words, jailing

1045
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: was kind of innocent, meaning and you're right, I mean

1046
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: and when you say except for words, it was words

1047
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: to cause the whole things. They wasn't innocent, but in

1048
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: terms of you got the react and the officials kind

1049
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: of threw them both out to stop anything. So it

1050
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 1: was it was quite a scene. It was something to watch. John.

1051
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: Last one from me. I'll stick with the defense. You know,

1052
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: we talked about Saxonville fifty five sacks a very vodacious number.

1053
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: They came from a bunch of guys. You had two

1054
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: double digit sack guys. So what's the deal with the

1055
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: defense this year? Are you gonna rely as heavily on

1056
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: that quarterback pressure? Is it going to come from different guys,

1057
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: more scheme oriented, more player oriented, because you know, as

1058
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: I know, it's a copycat league. And after allowing fifty

1059
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 1: five sacks to Jacksonville defense last year, teams in the

1060
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: NFL have been talking about for months, we're not gonna

1061
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 1: let them get to our quarterback this season. Well it's

1062
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: a tough thing because really, you know, I covered the

1063
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: Colts for ten years, uh during the Manning era, so

1064
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: they were you know, Robert Matthews, Dwight Freeney pass rush

1065
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: and their whole defense was predicated on pass rush. That's

1066
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 1: sort of the football that I knew. Well, this team

1067
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 1: sort of goes the opposite, meaning yes, and Gockway and

1068
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,919
Speaker 1: Campbell and Malik Jackson and Dante Fowler, all those guys

1069
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: are on their front. They can all rush the pastor

1070
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: But a huge reason why their pass rush elevated last

1071
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: year was you had Ramsey and and a J boyan

1072
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: back end who are who are legitimate all pro Uh,

1073
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: They're not depending on the pass rush necessarily to make

1074
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: them good, which some corners, you guys know how it works.

1075
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 1: Some corners too. So I don't want to call the

1076
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: Jaguars sex coverage sex because in Gockway and Campbell are

1077
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: too good. But that combination, the extra half a second

1078
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: where quarterbacks have to hold the ball because A Boy

1079
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: as in coverage and Ramsey's in coverage, it definitely helped

1080
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: the pass rush. So teams that are trying to stop

1081
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: the pass rush still have to figure out who we're

1082
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: going to throw at in the back end because if

1083
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: I had to pick the strength of the unit, you know,

1084
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: I guess defensive line because you've got three Pro bowlers there,

1085
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: but the back end A J. Boy and Jalen Ramsey.

1086
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 1: You know, I've never covered a cornerback candom like these guys,

1087
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: So it's a it's tough to stop because for now,

1088
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 1: because the cap hasn't hit him in two thousand nineteen,

1089
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: this defense will change because some of these guys up

1090
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: front to give him all the depth aren't going to

1091
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: be around. But for now, it's an incredibly balanced unit

1092
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: on all three levels. It's hard to say what the

1093
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: best level of his defense is. And boy, you couldn't

1094
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: have said that a year ago this time. And by

1095
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:57,919
Speaker 1: the way, we haven't even mentioned your two rookies, Taven

1096
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 1: Brian and Ronnie Harrison. A lot of people think could

1097
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: be starters in this league too, by the way, from

1098
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,240
Speaker 1: me and I just wanted Mio. Paul tried to explain

1099
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: this to giant fans that call our show because we

1100
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: experienced at firsthand, and now you have to what impact

1101
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: just from every day being in the building from a

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00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: culture standpoint. Did the arrival of Tom Coughlin having the

1103
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: Jaguar organization last year? Well again, you guys know, if

1104
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 1: you've been around him, I covered Tom. I was an

1105
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: indie for ten years, but I worked in Jacksonville for

1106
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: the News for thousand here, so I saw it then

1107
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: when he came in. You know, I was just sort

1108
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: of a young reporter. It never covered the NFL. I

1109
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: didn't realize what I didn't realize that Tom was different.

1110
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: If you follow me, he was the first coach I covered.

1111
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: So I thought everything that you guys know about, all

1112
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: the rules, all the incredible daily attention to detail, all

1113
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: that stuff, I thought that was how it was. Well.

1114
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: I went to work for Indie where Bill Polian was

1115
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: there and very similar in terms of the dynamic attention

1116
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: to detail over the top sometimes but hey, it works.

1117
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: So I thought that's what life in the NFL was.

1118
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: Well I got back here in Jacksonville and Frank it

1119
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: wasn't like that for a while. Then when Tom came back,

1120
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, well, okay, well that's how it

1121
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,439
Speaker 1: is again. So a long answer to your question, because

1122
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: again I know you guys have been around Tom. You

1123
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: can't describe the incredible, manic daily attention to detail doing

1124
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: what's right. Uh. Whether or not you agree with him

1125
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: on what's right, he sure believes that it's the that

1126
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: energy and that commitment. I don't know how you can

1127
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: be around it and not feel it. And there's a

1128
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: lot of ways to skin a cat in the NFL.

1129
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: Um he believes in his way so fervently. I always believe,

1130
00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: you gotta pick away and go with it and believe

1131
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: in it. He believes in it. And because he believes

1132
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: in it, the entire renization believes in it. And again,

1133
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: you guys have been around, do you know what I'm

1134
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: talking about with that, John, I was gonna say, John,

1135
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: being in Italian, there's nothing more I love than a

1136
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: guy who's decisive. And that is Tom Coughlin. And that's

1137
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: what it is, and that's what it is. And so

1138
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,919
Speaker 1: he brought that, and he brought a belief and when

1139
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: you combine it with boy A and Campbell and these

1140
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: guys coming in, and I Doug Morown shouldn't be forgotten

1141
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: in this too. He's a Coughlin guy and all fits together,

1142
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: so it all works. It doesn't always work, but it's

1143
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,439
Speaker 1: sure worked last year, John, great stuff. We appreciate the time,

1144
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: and we'll say that first week of September. I look

1145
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,439
Speaker 1: forward to guys. I enjoyed it. You guys, well, great

1146
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: stuff from John Ozar. Awesome information. You can tell he's

1147
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: on top of stuff. Real quack, real, real quack real

1148
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: quick wow. Um Joe and Pennsylvania has been holding the

1149
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: whole interviews. How to make sure I get in my

1150
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 1: by Joe, thank you for holding. I'm sorry, I think

1151
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: team before the interview, I apologize. What do you got?

1152
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: I just told you time you launch, I said, whose

1153
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: defense would you rather go up against? More? Jacksonville's there?

1154
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: The Eagles. I think the Jaguars defense is a more

1155
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: complete unit, without a doubt, without a doubt. That's that's

1156
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 1: what I think too. In a comment there, that they

1157
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: can pay their their players, their offensive wines and defensive

1158
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: wines is name like the Eagles because they don't pay

1159
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: nothing to their quarterback. The Eagles did get in there,

1160
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: but that not this year, but the following. They have

1161
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: to play wins if he's there, and they even chipped

1162
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: in to play what's his name? Faults? There are what's

1163
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: the backup there? Joe? Remember this year Plague Portals is

1164
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: making nineteen million dollars, so Blake Portals isn't making peanuts

1165
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: now he is making nineteen Well, I said, okay, he's

1166
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: finally they're gonna pay him something. That's what I mean.

1167
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: They're the Eagles haven't played their quarters back nothing yet,

1168
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: so uh but looking at them that we do do

1169
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:05,439
Speaker 1: play them the the the Eagles. I look back last year,

1170
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, how the how good ELI

1171
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: was and how they burned their secondary. And I would

1172
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: think too, I remember Spadaro did say, you know they're

1173
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: hoping and praying at their middle linebacker comes in there,

1174
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: because that's where I think we would have a big

1175
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: benefit there with Barkley coming out the middle there, you

1176
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: know what I mean, on all their linebackers because that

1177
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: they they lost a couple of them there, and uh,

1178
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: I think the screenplays would play in big with them

1179
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: with against them and and uh uh what was I

1180
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: gonna say there? I think the big thing is really

1181
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: and truly against all them these teams, if we can

1182
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: get that running game going and they have to bring

1183
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: the safeties up, you know, we could really burn them

1184
01:01:56,200 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: with with any of our our players at the tight end, uh,

1185
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: Barkley Beckham, you know that that really is a key,

1186
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: and I think we would we should have an edge

1187
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: on on that against their linebackers in their second there,

1188
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: you know, if we can and our offensive line should

1189
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: be better, So you would just think that we would,

1190
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: uh you know what I mean, that would be our edge,

1191
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: you know going against the Eagles this year. So one

1192
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: other thing I did want to say they do have

1193
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: a lot of togetherness in their locker room. I know

1194
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,479
Speaker 1: that the Eagles and they played that last year a lot.

1195
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: You know that they were they underdogs and no one

1196
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 1: gave him respect. So thanks for taking my call. Again.

1197
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: Remember Easier said defense it sounds easy, but it's not.

1198
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 1: And one caution for you, Joe, and and this, I

1199
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: know we gotta run, John, But one caution piece of

1200
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: information here is that if you want to say that

1201
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: the offense is so much improved with the line and

1202
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: Barkley that the Giants are suddenly going to have to

1203
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: win a bunch of games, that's not a great recipe

1204
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: because this defense has got to at least get back

1205
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: to the middle of the pack if the Giants are

1206
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: gonna go to where you want them to go, and

1207
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: stop the run by the way, because if you can't

1208
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: stop run, isn't gonna be on the field. Got to uh,

1209
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: It's it's not a great philosophy to say that the

1210
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 1: offense has so much improved the Giants are gonna win

1211
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 1: a bunch of games by track meets style of football.

1212
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: That's not a good way to go and pull what

1213
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: was lost in the mix last year through all the

1214
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: offensive injuries, and look, no one will argue that Odell

1215
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 1: Beckham Jr's injuries and the offensive line issues had a

1216
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 1: lot to do with the giants three wins here did.

1217
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: But the defense was the author of a handful of

1218
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: losses last year that the Giants would have won because

1219
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 1: the offense scored late, but the defense couldn't get it done.

1220
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: So they had They're in. They had their hand in

1221
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: their fair share of issues last year too, And you're

1222
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: right that side of the ball must improve as well. Yeah,

1223
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: no doubt. All right, folks, Tomorrow again we have our

1224
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: big analytics guess, George Cheruhi from Pro Football Focus with Fiegels,

1225
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: and I send me your questions on Twitter hashtag Giants

1226
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: Chat or at Schmelk and I'll try to get to

1227
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: those questions throughout the show. And uh. Then we're off

1228
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: the week of the fourth of July UM and off

1229
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 1: this Friday. We'll be back on that Monday and we'll

1230
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: preview the Dallas Cowboys with Mickey Spagnol in the Houston

1231
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,439
Speaker 1: Texans with a guest to be determined that we'll figure

1232
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: out over the next ten days or so. Good stuff.

1233
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 1: Enjoy your time off because what I'm not gonna see

1234
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: you for like eleven days. Good for you, I know,

1235
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled. Makes like it's it's the best part of

1236
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: my summer. Unfortunately, you know, I don't get to have

1237
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 1: to see you or Lance Wow Dan how and you

1238
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: don't have to see me Paul or Lad. It's even

1239
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 1: better for you. You You get the Void two security because

1240
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,439
Speaker 1: I love this place so much. During the week off,

1241
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 1: I might just come down here to mow the grass.

1242
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: I'll see tomorrow. Everybody you're not gonna see him, Count

1243
01:04:57,840 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: your blessings. Audios.