Speaker 1: Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya rap An iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2: Hello everybody, we are scrubbing in and we are so
Speaker 2: excited because we did tease this Monday, but today we
Speaker 2: are joined by an award winning producer, New York Times
Speaker 2: best selling author and motivational speaker.
Speaker 3: He has made a commitment to inspire people around the
Speaker 3: world through entertainment, and he has definitely been an inspiration
Speaker 3: for me for many, many years.
Speaker 4: I love this man.
Speaker 5: He is a force in media and has become a
Speaker 5: leading authority on inspiration, spiritual wellness, and personal development.
Speaker 3: Please help us give a warm welcome too.
Speaker 5: Wait, let's say, please give a warm welcome back. Oh good, sorry, mart.
Speaker 3: Please help us give a warm welcome back to Divone Franklin.
Speaker 5: Tanya is high energy as as I don't think he
Speaker 5: even knows what to do with her.
Speaker 6: It's my sister right here. Yeah, I love it, Dearly.
Speaker 3: I really like you have done so much for me personally,
Speaker 3: and it's so crazy because like we're not like best
Speaker 3: friends by any means, you know, like.
Speaker 4: I never I see you very rarely, but your.
Speaker 3: Impact on my life has been so great, and so
Speaker 3: when I know you've been on the podcast before, but
Speaker 3: having you in studio is just like a whole different
Speaker 3: feel because I just feel like I gained so much
Speaker 3: from you just by like listening to you and watching you,
Speaker 3: and so to have you here is very exciting for me.
Speaker 1: I'm excited. I'm always excited to see you and just
Speaker 1: grateful for our connection.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, me too, me too.
Speaker 5: You We talked to you last in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 5: Oh wow, Yeah, so I feel like a lot has
Speaker 5: changed in your life. You're in a different place altogether,
Speaker 5: as we all are. That was during kind of like pandemic,
Speaker 5: and a lot has happened since then. What's new? What's
Speaker 5: happening in your life right now?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I mean it's just been so busy with work, you know,
Speaker 1: producing you know, this new movie, and started acting, which
Speaker 1: is brand new. I never even thought about acting ever.
Speaker 1: It was never a I mean I used to act
Speaker 1: in like middle school plays and high school plays, but
Speaker 1: I never thought like, oh yeah, I want to act
Speaker 1: in a movie or a TV series. And to now
Speaker 1: be doing that is I mean, that's probably the newest thing,
Speaker 1: which you know, even now, I'm like.
Speaker 6: Wow, that's really cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's just been a season of just you know,
Speaker 1: navigating a lot of busyness and you know, working on
Speaker 1: trying to, you know, just not be overwhelmed. Right, Like
Speaker 1: everybody wants success, which is great, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: you know, success requires management.
Speaker 6: It's not like, oh it's.
Speaker 1: So easy, Like no, most of the time, if you
Speaker 1: are successful at some level, you're working even harder. And
Speaker 1: so for me, it's just really been trying to, you know,
Speaker 1: stay in the moment, be present, enjoy and not just
Speaker 1: be so overwhelmed by all the things that are happening.
Speaker 5: What was it, Where were you or what happened when
Speaker 5: you had a moment where you were like, I want
Speaker 5: to act now I didn't.
Speaker 6: Oh I didn't. I was offered the role. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: The producers and the director of this movie called Jesus Revolution.
Speaker 1: They came out earlier this year.
Speaker 4: It was very massive, huge. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's highest grossing inspirational film this year so far.
Speaker 1: And so they came to me and they said, hey,
Speaker 1: there's a part that we want you to play of
Speaker 1: this reporter who works for Time magazine. And at first
Speaker 1: I was going to say, well, I'm not an actor.
Speaker 1: That was my first instinct, but then I was like, well, let.
Speaker 6: Me read the script.
Speaker 1: I read the script and I said, oh, I kind
Speaker 1: of like this part. It's a great story. The script's great.
Speaker 1: So I said okay and started working with an acting
Speaker 1: coach and really took it very seriously, and I went
Speaker 1: to set and did what I was instructed to do
Speaker 1: and it went.
Speaker 6: Well, and I was like, oh, this is good.
Speaker 1: And people started seeing the movie saying, oh, wow, you
Speaker 1: look you were great. Nobody even thought like, oh, I
Speaker 1: would have never known you never acted before. So it
Speaker 1: was just an opportunity presented to me, as have all
Speaker 1: the other acting opportunities I've had since then, and I
Speaker 1: have a couple projects that will come out into this year.
Speaker 3: So but it is interesting because I think a lot
Speaker 3: of time in life, people will get offered things and
Speaker 3: you think, oh no, no, no, like that's not me, Like
Speaker 3: that's not my box, Like this is my box and
Speaker 3: that's not my box.
Speaker 4: And I think a lot of people don't have.
Speaker 3: The courage to step out of that and face something
Speaker 3: that is new or scary. Right, what got you through that?
Speaker 3: Because I thought you do that a lot in your career,
Speaker 3: Like you are if I ask you what you are
Speaker 3: you are an author, you are a motivational speaker, you
Speaker 3: are a CEO, you have a production company, you're a producer,
Speaker 3: you're an actor.
Speaker 4: I mean, like, I mean, there's more than I'm forgetting too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think it requires a level of
Speaker 1: just ignorance, you know, like, well, I'm not really aware
Speaker 1: of what I can't do, so let me stay ignorant
Speaker 1: to that, right, Like and then also it's like, why
Speaker 1: would I create a la for myself that would limit myself?
Speaker 1: So if I'm like, oh, I'm just the producer, then
Speaker 1: that's cool. Like I do know how to produce. I'm
Speaker 1: a really good producer. But if I only wear that label,
Speaker 1: then that label can block other things that I am.
Speaker 1: I just don't know that I am. So I just
Speaker 1: try to live in the world a possibility like, oh
Speaker 1: well why not, you know, And the worst thing that
Speaker 1: happens is I do this movie and I fail, right,
Speaker 1: all right, Well I didn't quit my day job, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I had the experience of doing it, and in
Speaker 1: that experience is growth. So no matter what, there's no
Speaker 1: way I could lose. So just living that way of like,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to be defined by anything
Speaker 1: I do. I want to, you know, continue to explore
Speaker 1: who I am what's possible, you know, And that's the fun.
Speaker 1: I mean, to learn that I have this other skill
Speaker 1: set that I didn't know I had, and to now
Speaker 1: have opportunities to express it and explore it. That's what
Speaker 1: keeps me doing it. It's like, Oh, before I became
Speaker 1: an author, I didn't know I could write. The opportunity
Speaker 1: was presented, you know, I said, oh, I wrote one book,
Speaker 1: and then oh I have another an idea for this
Speaker 1: book and this book, and now we're like six or
Speaker 1: seven book.
Speaker 3: Then just so that's like a whole other thing to
Speaker 3: be really proud of, because that is truly just. But
Speaker 3: I think that fear of failure is what really stops people.
Speaker 3: And I feel like, but have you experienced failure in
Speaker 3: any way? Because I feel like everything you touches.
Speaker 1: Well no, I mean, you know, look, I think we
Speaker 1: have to then evaluate what is our definition of failure, right,
Speaker 1: because failure traditionally indicates that the result that I wanted
Speaker 1: I didn't get. So then the emotions around that usually
Speaker 1: reveal a level of attachment to a result that probably
Speaker 1: was unhealthy. Right, So if I'm feeling like I failed. Okay,
Speaker 1: well how did you fail? Well, you had a goal,
Speaker 1: you didn't hit it. Well, what did you learn? Oh well,
Speaker 1: here's what I learned. How did you grow? Well, here's
Speaker 1: how I grew. Did you fail? So when I think
Speaker 1: of failure, you know, I look at it through the
Speaker 1: lens of you know, have I had things that didn't
Speaker 1: go the way I wanted?
Speaker 6: Sure, but I'm glad that that happened. You know.
Speaker 1: Not every movie I've worked on has been you know,
Speaker 1: super successful. Not every book that I've written, you know,
Speaker 1: has been a New York Times bestseller at all. But
Speaker 1: then I have to say, Okay, if I'm creating a
Speaker 1: false definition of success as well as a false definition
Speaker 1: of failure, then I'm always going to be subject to
Speaker 1: those definitions. Yeah, instead of allowing the result is what
Speaker 1: the result is? Like learning to be a I mean
Speaker 1: passionate enough to be able to write it or produce
Speaker 1: it or act in it, but detached from the result, like,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever that does?
Speaker 4: How do you do that?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 3: I think that's been what's your quote that you always say, No,
Speaker 3: it's open to the possibility, not attached to the outcome.
Speaker 3: And I think that can make you live a very healthy,
Speaker 3: happy life.
Speaker 4: But I don't know how to do that.
Speaker 3: I am attached to every single outcome. And actually it's
Speaker 3: funny you bring up the New York Times bestseller because
Speaker 3: when we put out the book, I was so attached
Speaker 3: to that outcome, and when it didn't happen, I felt
Speaker 3: like the book was a failure and it was right.
Speaker 3: It like broke my heart because I was I spent
Speaker 3: so much time and effort and energy in it, and
Speaker 3: to me it felt like a failure. And that was
Speaker 3: really hard for me to deal with, like I couldn't
Speaker 3: wrap my head around it. So how do you stay
Speaker 3: attached to the outcome?
Speaker 1: Yes, and I've been there before, right, So anything I'm
Speaker 1: talking about is because I've been there. So I've been
Speaker 1: there when in terms of you know, the books and
Speaker 1: you know, wanting the sales and wanting the list and
Speaker 1: not happening multiple times, and to your point, feeling like,
Speaker 1: oh I failed, and and what has helped me get
Speaker 1: out of that is there's probably not one place I
Speaker 1: go where someone doesn't come up to me and say,
Speaker 1: I have one of your books and it helped me,
Speaker 1: and thank you for what you're doing. And you know
Speaker 1: I mean, And so then I say, Okay, the New
Speaker 1: York Times list is an arbitrary list.
Speaker 6: It's cool, great if we hit it. Cool, I'm not.
Speaker 6: I'm not knocking it.
Speaker 1: But like, you could hit the New York Times best
Speaker 1: seller's list for a variety of reasons and not to anybody.
Speaker 1: So is this about lives, This about changing lives with
Speaker 1: the message that we've been given, or is it about
Speaker 1: an arbitrary, you know, artificial system that's supposed to make
Speaker 1: us feel more accomplished than we are. Right, a New
Speaker 1: York Times bestseller does not make the words any different.
Speaker 1: It's the same words, it's the same book, it's the
Speaker 1: same process. So again, like if it happens, cool, wonderful.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, it's about the
Speaker 1: shift of perspective. It's about the people, right, Like I
Speaker 1: wrote this book to change people's hearts and minds, to
Speaker 1: put something positive in the world. And I got to
Speaker 1: work on being you know, detached and agnostic about how
Speaker 1: that happens. Because the more attached I am, then what
Speaker 1: happens is what you've experienced, what I've experienced negative emotion. Right,
Speaker 1: I did not hit the New York Times Bestsellers list.
Speaker 1: I am a failure on some level, or I'm not
Speaker 1: as successful as I thought. Where who's the arbiter of that?
Speaker 1: Who determines that we do? So we create this false
Speaker 1: narrative in our own life, we judge ourselves by it,
Speaker 1: and then what's a perfectly amazing book becomes a book
Speaker 1: that's not so good.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's all here, it's all in our mind.
Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with reality. Anybody that picks
Speaker 1: up the book is going to get so much out
Speaker 1: of it. I know I got a lot out of it.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: There's so much in the book that I think is
Speaker 1: life changing and perspective changing and shifting. So it's really
Speaker 1: about saying, Okay, what are the things here that I
Speaker 1: can focus on that will keep me in a positive emotion,
Speaker 1: in a positive mental state, and let me work on
Speaker 1: releasing anything that will not Yeah. Right, so, and I'm
Speaker 1: not even saying the next book, Sure, work towards the list,
Speaker 1: no problem. But do it from a place of joy, right,
Speaker 1: do it from a place of this is exciting, you know,
Speaker 1: and great. And what I learned is, oh, these are
Speaker 1: the things that have to be done and truth be
Speaker 1: told most of the.
Speaker 6: Time hitting the list.
Speaker 1: Beyond the type of press that has done for a book,
Speaker 1: A lot of has to just do with the.
Speaker 6: Number of people that you're reaching.
Speaker 1: So if you're reaching a number of people, you know
Speaker 1: in advance or timed right around release, you know, it
Speaker 1: gives you a better chance to be acknowledged. So it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: let me focus on the people. How can I get
Speaker 1: to people? How can I sell this message to people?
Speaker 1: And then let's see what's meant to be. And just
Speaker 1: like a seed, every seed's different. Some books are not
Speaker 1: meant to do that and other books will. So it's hard.
Speaker 1: I get it. I totally get it. You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: It's the work that I'm doing so that I don't
Speaker 1: take myself to a negative place that I don't have to.
Speaker 3: I will say though that experience, I remember I faced
Speaker 3: one of my facts. I was fearing rejection asking you
Speaker 3: to endorse the book, Like I was, like, I didn't
Speaker 3: want to ask you because they were talking about who
Speaker 3: do you want to endorse it? And they were saying,
Speaker 3: is there somebody in the book space that you really admire?
Speaker 3: And like you were the first name that came to mind.
Speaker 3: But I was like, we're not really like close friends,
Speaker 3: so I'm scared. I don't want to ask him, like
Speaker 3: and just was scared you were going to say no
Speaker 3: or like ignore the message or whatever. And then when
Speaker 3: you said yes, I was like, wow, Like why do
Speaker 3: I not do things that made me like a little
Speaker 3: bit nervous, you know, like I always do. I stay
Speaker 3: very in my comfort zone. I never stepped out of it.
Speaker 3: And that was something that like I stepped out of
Speaker 3: it for and it really was like paid off in
Speaker 3: such a beautiful way, Like it made me feel so
Speaker 3: good and supported and like I don't know, so that
Speaker 3: was like a big moment for me that you're part of.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I know, why not thinking of me?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was no problem And the book was great,
Speaker 1: and you know, I was happy to support it in any.
Speaker 4: Way I could. And you're working on another book too.
Speaker 6: I'm working on another book.
Speaker 4: Can you tell us a little bit about Yeah.
Speaker 1: The book is called One of One and it's basically
Speaker 1: the true meaning behind being single? Uh, and it's ironic,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't know what it meant to be single
Speaker 1: until I came single again after divorce, crazy, and then
Speaker 1: what I realized is that we're all single, no matter
Speaker 1: of your relationship stat because we're all individuals and a
Speaker 1: couple is only as strong as the two singles that
Speaker 1: make up the couple. And so often we don't actually
Speaker 1: focus on who we are as an individual and harness
Speaker 1: the power of that, because we spend so much time
Speaker 1: looking for a relationship and then we get into a couple.
Speaker 1: But because we don't know how to be a good single,
Speaker 1: we don't know how to be one with ourselves. How
Speaker 1: can we be one with someone else? And then we
Speaker 1: overburdened the relationship.
Speaker 5: You're definitely preaching to the choir here because when's this book.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when this is coming out.
Speaker 1: I'm working on it now, it'll be I'm open, like
Speaker 1: in the first quarter next year.
Speaker 3: That's yeah, Yes, tell us more.
Speaker 4: What have you learned in this new era?
Speaker 3: Please? Oh man, No, I've learned so much because I mean,
Speaker 3: you were married for year decade and so I feel
Speaker 3: like that. You know, we were talking about how when
Speaker 3: you you do become dependent on another person in a
Speaker 3: weird way, just natural happens when you're with somebody for
Speaker 3: several years. Yes, but you can't lose yourself in that.
Speaker 3: And sometimes it's sometimes it's easier and sometimes it's harder.
Speaker 3: And I feel like, is that what you learned after
Speaker 3: your divorce?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 1: In part, you know, in part it's like, okay, you
Speaker 1: know if I focus on it being being.
Speaker 6: An individual, right, Well, what does it mean for me
Speaker 6: to be an individual? You know?
Speaker 1: Am I loving to myself? Do I care for myself?
Speaker 1: Do I keep space for myself? Do I give grace
Speaker 1: to myself? So what in my experience what happens is
Speaker 1: a lot of times we're waiting to be with someone
Speaker 1: to do those things.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, it's like he's speaking, keep going and
Speaker 4: keep going, keep going.
Speaker 1: So what happens is that when we don't become the
Speaker 1: number one generator of grace and space and love and
Speaker 1: happiness and joy for ourself, we then overburden.
Speaker 6: The relationship to do something it's not designed to.
Speaker 1: Do because somebody, even if they don't, they can't articulate it.
Speaker 1: If you carry an energy in your relationship that you
Speaker 1: need this person to be your source of happiness, you
Speaker 1: need this person to be your source of joy, You
Speaker 1: need this person to be your source of recreation, entertainment,
Speaker 1: they are going to reject you subconsciously because all of
Speaker 1: us know that's not how we're set up. I'm not
Speaker 1: set up to be somebody else's source. Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: set up to be your No, no, no, I can.
Speaker 1: I can make a contribution to your happiness, but I don't.
Speaker 1: Don't expect me to make you happy every day, because
Speaker 1: I guarantee there gonna be many days I'll make you sad.
Speaker 1: So this idea of being one of one, you got
Speaker 1: a hilarious.
Speaker 4: I know, well, because we're I mean we're I think
Speaker 4: we're in.
Speaker 3: A season of life that you're really speaking to right now.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, Well for me, it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: knowing that I'm one of one, Oh great, Okay, that
Speaker 1: means I'm rare. It means I'm valuable. It means that
Speaker 1: I'm not defined by who I'm with. I'm defined by
Speaker 1: the fact that I was bold, that I'm in this
Speaker 1: earth and I'm doing I'm a unique individual and that's
Speaker 1: important because in a relationship, there's a tendency to give
Speaker 1: up that individuality. And I believe that this is why
Speaker 1: so many relationships don't work, and that's why people are
Speaker 1: so happy unhappy is because they are not themselves. If
Speaker 1: this is the irony you get with somebody, whether it's
Speaker 1: in a relationship or marriage, and they become the person
Speaker 1: you're less truthful with. You tell the people outside of
Speaker 1: the relationship all the stuff that you wish you could
Speaker 1: tell your partner.
Speaker 6: That makes that's crazy.
Speaker 1: And then we wonder why relationships don't work because we
Speaker 1: are not being ourselves and we're not harnessing the power
Speaker 1: of what it means to be one of one, to
Speaker 1: be an individual, to have an individual way of thinking.
Speaker 1: And then I bring that to the relationship. A great
Speaker 1: relationship will enhance individuality. It won't cause individuality to be diminished.
Speaker 1: And that's something that I did not know before getting,
Speaker 1: you know, married. Right before I was married, I thought like, oh,
Speaker 1: similar to what everybody thinks. Oh, you know, you find
Speaker 1: love and then that's when life happens. And I did
Speaker 1: find love and life was great. But when I bought
Speaker 1: into the myth that the relationship or the marriage was
Speaker 1: going to make me happier yeah than when I was uncoupled,
Speaker 1: that myth was very destructive because it wasn't true. And
Speaker 1: this is the bill of goods we sell. Everybody get
Speaker 1: into a relationship, fine, love, find marriage, it's the answer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the fairy tale.
Speaker 1: It's the fairy tale. And we had people squandering the
Speaker 1: period of time when they're uncoupled looking for somebody, when
Speaker 1: really you should be looking for yourself. Who am I,
Speaker 1: What do I want? What are my experiences? What do
Speaker 1: I like?
Speaker 6: What don't I like?
Speaker 1: So, then when I'm in a relationship, what happens is
Speaker 1: if I know if I have a stronger sense of self, right,
Speaker 1: because every relationship can teach us more about ourselves. But
Speaker 1: let's say have a strong sense of self and I
Speaker 1: have grace for myself, and I have space for myself,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have space for my partner. I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: grace for my partner. If I have a short temper
Speaker 1: with me, I'm gonna have a short temper with them.
Speaker 1: If I don't really like me, I'm gonna have a
Speaker 1: problem with them. I'm gonna find fault with them. Right,
Speaker 1: anything that I'm pointing the finger out usually is a
Speaker 1: mirror for something I'm not feeling inside. So this idea
Speaker 1: of being one of one and say, okay, even if
Speaker 1: I'm in a relationship, I'm a single, what makes me
Speaker 1: a good single? What do I need to do in
Speaker 1: my life to be the best single I can be?
Speaker 1: And then how do I share that with someone instead
Speaker 1: of demanding Because here's what happens. We demand that people perform.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, well in a.
Speaker 1: Relationship, you better do this right or well, why does
Speaker 1: doing that matter so much? I'm not saying that you
Speaker 1: should negotiate in a relationship? What makes you all one?
Speaker 1: What makes the relationship work?
Speaker 6: Talk about it?
Speaker 1: But so often because we're not doing the work on
Speaker 1: the inside, we're not figuring out what's going on in us.
Speaker 6: We point to the person.
Speaker 1: As the problem and the danger there is. You point
Speaker 1: to the person as a problem, you break up with
Speaker 1: that person, but the real problem never gets solved. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the real problem was us. So then we take
Speaker 1: the same problem to the next relationship. Keep pointing the finger.
Speaker 1: This ain't right.
Speaker 6: Get out.
Speaker 1: Take the next problem to the same You see how
Speaker 1: crazy it is, and we have all this heartbreak that
Speaker 1: we didn't need to have, right, because it starts with like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: why is this issue a problem to begin with? Why
Speaker 1: am I attracting an unhealthy person to be continuously because
Speaker 1: there's something in me that's unhealthy that's not being addressed.
Speaker 1: So this is the you know again, I don't mean
Speaker 1: to go on a dangier.
Speaker 4: But this is what the new book is going to be.
Speaker 1: About, one of one, you know, really knowing what it
Speaker 1: means to be single and finding the purpose and the
Speaker 1: power and the piece of it.
Speaker 5: Has there been struggling that for you? I mean being
Speaker 5: with someone for tenure?
Speaker 4: I mean that's such a you.
Speaker 3: Know, from your perspective now, like you have this really
Speaker 3: amazing perspective on it.
Speaker 4: But it's like we get.
Speaker 1: Pain is the greatest teacher. Yeah, right, so pain is
Speaker 1: the greatest teacher. So I couldn't even begin to articulate
Speaker 1: or wrap my head around these concepts without going through
Speaker 1: deep pain, you know, not being married and and you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I want to say losing my wife, but
Speaker 1: you know, having a life transition and going through divorce
Speaker 1: that's the most painful experience in life. And I certainly
Speaker 1: would never prescribe it to anyone at all. And so
Speaker 1: for me, instead of coming out of the divorce and
Speaker 1: the relationship and pointing the finger, I wanted to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: well what was my part in this? You know, what
Speaker 1: do I need to know more about me, not from
Speaker 1: a judgmental standpoint, just from a like life like, hey,
Speaker 1: who am I?
Speaker 6: What did I learn? How did I get here?
Speaker 1: And so from that work and you know, working with
Speaker 1: a therapist and working with life coaches and journaling and
Speaker 1: writing and reading the scripture and all of that, that's
Speaker 1: what started me to get clearer on you know, where
Speaker 1: I went wrong and how I can help others and
Speaker 1: use the pain that I've been through in a positive
Speaker 1: way to help others, you know, navigate relationships as I
Speaker 1: do too, you know, and it's not easy, right, like,
Speaker 1: but I feel like it's for me the idea that
Speaker 1: I could use something difficult that I've been through to
Speaker 1: help somebody else, it then gives it more purpose. So
Speaker 1: it really was the pain of going through this and
Speaker 1: then doing.
Speaker 6: It publicly, you know, that's that's a people people.
Speaker 1: Everybody wants a spotlight, but the spotlight that illuminates also burns.
Speaker 6: It's the truth.
Speaker 1: And so you know, I can't choose to go through
Speaker 1: it privately. Everybody in the world knows. So yeah, that
Speaker 1: pain of that is what has produced a lot of
Speaker 1: these thoughts in this clarity around and also for me personally,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, whenever I do get married again,
Speaker 1: you know I can do it from I think, a
Speaker 1: a stronger emotional place, with a greater perspective on what
Speaker 1: the marriage needs or the relationship needs and and what
Speaker 1: it doesn't uh, and do my best to not overburden
Speaker 1: it with things that it was never designed to do.
Speaker 6: You know, no one can heal us. We can heal ourselves.
Speaker 3: And that's such a beautiful place to be into. I
Speaker 3: always find it so uh, I don't know what the
Speaker 3: word is. It's so off putting when people go through
Speaker 3: a divorce and they are like that person sucked and
Speaker 3: they sucked and I hate this person. It's like you
Speaker 3: were married to this person for so long. And also
Speaker 3: like take accountability for you know it is it's a
Speaker 3: relationship is two people. It's two people that cannot make
Speaker 3: a relationship work. It's not one person's fault. And so
Speaker 3: I think when you hear people come out of like
Speaker 3: a divorce and they're pointing the finger and bashing the
Speaker 3: other person, I find it to be so like you said,
Speaker 3: like it's like that's not you taking any accountability for it.
Speaker 3: It's such like a it's nice to hear you say
Speaker 3: that from your perspective, My boyfriend was the same way.
Speaker 3: He was divorced, and he had that same perspective of
Speaker 3: when he went through it. Obviously everything's different and the
Speaker 3: circumstances were I'm sure different, but it was like, what
Speaker 3: did I attribute? What did I learn from this? And
Speaker 3: how can I grow moving forward in my next relationship
Speaker 3: and when I do get married to not allow that
Speaker 3: to happen again?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, And you know, I mean I hope
Speaker 1: that we take that, you know, I hope that we
Speaker 1: take the time, yeah, to do some introspection and do
Speaker 1: some thinking of like, Okay, well what can I do
Speaker 1: to do better? What can I learn from this? Because
Speaker 1: the pointing the finger, it's an easy it's easy placing
Speaker 1: blame is it's a very it's low hanging fruit.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but to.
Speaker 1: Look inwardly that requires courage and uh, but that's where
Speaker 1: the answers always are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to talk to you about this book.
Speaker 3: I do want to say everybody listening, if you have
Speaker 3: not read any of Devon's books, they are all so
Speaker 3: fantastic and I always learned something and grow from every
Speaker 3: single one of them.
Speaker 4: So I'm really excited for the new one.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wanted to talk about the weight because I
Speaker 5: knew that was a big That.
Speaker 4: One was huge for me. Yes, you like changing, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Your views on celibacy, that was you you with your
Speaker 5: ex correct?
Speaker 6: Correct?
Speaker 5: And how long were y' all dating? Were you choose?
Speaker 6: We dated for almost a year.
Speaker 5: Okay, and that was the choice that y'all made to wait,
Speaker 5: do you still have the same views on celibacy?
Speaker 1: You know, I believe that that book in Celibacy is
Speaker 1: absolutely a valuable tool, without a doubt what I learned
Speaker 1: from and also when you go back and look at
Speaker 1: the book, the idea behind delayed gratification, it's like, man,
Speaker 1: if we can get that, like, I think life would
Speaker 1: be so much better. Here's what I've learned. The error
Speaker 1: of my ways in that regard was bringing the public
Speaker 1: into my sex life. So going forward, I said, you know,
Speaker 1: y'all got my sex life. Hey, you read about it
Speaker 1: this new chapter, Divin I ain't talking about it because
Speaker 1: the same way, you can't invite the public in when
Speaker 1: you want them and keep them out when you don't.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So she went through the same exact.
Speaker 5: I went on the Bachelor, and I was a virgin
Speaker 5: at the.
Speaker 4: Time, and it's like her thing. It was like back
Speaker 4: in the.
Speaker 5: Virgin But I didn't My plan wasn't to talk about
Speaker 5: being a virgin. But I said it in like without
Speaker 5: remember that I had a mic and seven cameras on me,
Speaker 5: you know, like I said it in a very like
Speaker 5: trying to comfort a friend like she was a virgin.
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, me too. And then I was like,
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, my whole storyline on the show has changed, right,
Speaker 5: And so I had this you know, it's kind of
Speaker 5: this thing where I was like, Hey, this is something
Speaker 5: I'm very proud of. I'm not gonna you know, I
Speaker 5: don't want anyone who's watching who's also a virgin or
Speaker 5: choosing to wait, to feel shame. But it wasn't my
Speaker 5: plan to have that part of my life so public.
Speaker 5: And so then it was like people felt comfortable coming
Speaker 5: up to me and being like to my face, like
Speaker 5: are you still a virgin? And so.
Speaker 1: Who were you to ask me that you.
Speaker 4: Business?
Speaker 5: But it was the same thing. It's like it gave
Speaker 5: people this idea that they had the right to know
Speaker 5: this information about me. So when I lost my virginity,
Speaker 5: I felt this enormous weight of like I've let everyone down.
Speaker 5: You know. It was this like weird thing that.
Speaker 3: I felt like so sad because it was that was
Speaker 3: her first reaction after She was like, I remember you
Speaker 3: called me and you were like everyone's going to be
Speaker 3: so let down. And I was like, why are you
Speaker 3: thinking about that right now? There's a big life moment
Speaker 3: for you. That's all she could think about.
Speaker 5: It was the same thing. So I was curious if yeah,
Speaker 5: that makes perfect sense that you're like, wow, I left
Speaker 5: everyone in And then I wanted to be like, you
Speaker 5: don't deserve that, like, don'tshing about it.
Speaker 1: And it was, you know, it was well meaning you like,
Speaker 1: you know, and again, the book is great, there's no
Speaker 1: I love the book, you know, and love everything that
Speaker 1: we put into that book, and you know, think that
Speaker 1: message is powerful and that the message works.
Speaker 6: But in terms of like you know, how I navigate
Speaker 6: you know, these areas, it's like, yo, I got to
Speaker 6: learn the lesson and this is I got to keep
Speaker 6: it to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, but I will tell you just as
Speaker 3: somebody that read the book and was in a season
Speaker 3: of life where I was in this perpetual pattern of
Speaker 3: pain because I was giving my body before I was
Speaker 3: getting the the the relationship or the attachment that I
Speaker 3: that I wanted. The book really was good for me
Speaker 3: as somebody to learn these tools and realize, like, obviously
Speaker 3: what I'm doing is hurting is like hurting me, so
Speaker 3: I need to do something different. And when I pivoted that,
Speaker 3: my dating life completely shifted. And it was like I
Speaker 3: put that as kind of like a no, like I'm
Speaker 3: not doing this until I'm in a committed, serious relationship.
Speaker 3: And it really changed the dating game for me in
Speaker 3: such a big way. Like I wasn't crying all the
Speaker 3: time like I was. I'd be bombed if things didn't
Speaker 3: work out, but I wasn't in this like perpetual pattern
Speaker 3: of pain. So I think the book is really amazing
Speaker 3: for you know, people going through different seasons of life
Speaker 3: and can can relate it in different ways.
Speaker 6: I agree.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because even as you articulate it, you
Speaker 1: know that what you just said goes directly to one
Speaker 1: of one. So when I know my value and I
Speaker 1: know my worth that I make different decisions. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: what you're saying is like, look, sex was ultimately at
Speaker 1: some point getting in the way of my decision making process, right,
Speaker 1: And I had to say, I'm going to wait for
Speaker 1: sex until I feel the value that I need to
Speaker 1: feel from the person that I'm going to ultimately share
Speaker 1: that with. Yeah, And until i feel that value, I'm waiting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to do it. That's what it
Speaker 1: means to we want to want. It means to know
Speaker 1: your value, know your worth, and make decisions based on that.
Speaker 5: I'm really looking forward to that forward to release.
Speaker 4: You know what else I'm looking forward to?
Speaker 5: Should we take a break?
Speaker 4: Oh, take a break, I'll come right back. All right,
Speaker 4: we are back.
Speaker 5: Did you want to take the lead?
Speaker 3: I wanted to take the lead because I know that
Speaker 3: this this movie that is coming out very shortly, This
Speaker 3: has been in the works for seven years, flaming Hot,
Speaker 3: and I want to know.
Speaker 4: So you produced it?
Speaker 6: Yes? I did?
Speaker 5: Ye? Yes?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 3: How because I watched the trailer. I haven't seen the
Speaker 3: movie yet, it's not out yet, right, Why was this
Speaker 3: something that you really wanted to make? And talk about?
Speaker 3: Why movies that take so long?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 4: How did it take seven years to make this movie?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know, this is a movie that from the moment
Speaker 1: that I heard the story, I was like, I've got
Speaker 1: to make this movie. I had a mutual friend introduced
Speaker 1: me to Richard Montagnez and the Flameing Hot movie is
Speaker 1: based upon Richard's story. And he came in and with
Speaker 1: his wife Judy, and I said, just tell me your story.
Speaker 1: And so we sat there in my production office and
Speaker 1: you know, met for about an hour or so, and
Speaker 1: he walked me through his story, and by the end
Speaker 1: of that meeting, I just said, I got to do it.
Speaker 1: I said, yes, I'll get Yes, I'll make your story
Speaker 1: into a movie if you would give me the opportunity.
Speaker 6: And he said yes.
Speaker 1: And I didn't have a studio at that point in time.
Speaker 1: I didn't know i'd have a writer. I didn't even
Speaker 1: know that, you know, if it was going to happen.
Speaker 1: But I just felt compelled. I said, Wow, this story
Speaker 1: is too unique, it's too inspiring, it's too motivational for
Speaker 1: me to say no. So I gave him a yes
Speaker 1: in that meeting, and you know, began the process of
Speaker 1: getting the movie made.
Speaker 6: And movies, you know, tend to there. It's not like music.
Speaker 1: You know, you can go into the studio and in
Speaker 1: ten minutes have a song, whereas with movies you know,
Speaker 1: it's labor intensive to tell these stories, and from a
Speaker 1: motion picture standpoint, and all that goes into production and
Speaker 1: casting and locations and script development. I mean, there's just
Speaker 1: a lot more factors to create a high quality movie
Speaker 1: and a lot more people that have to be involved.
Speaker 1: So that's part of the reason why it takes so long.
Speaker 1: And so in the case of Flaming Hot, I found
Speaker 1: a writer, we developed a pitch, we sold the pitch,
Speaker 1: and then we worked on it for probably two years
Speaker 1: that script, and then we were able to go out
Speaker 1: to directors, and that's where I met Eva Longoria and
Speaker 1: she came in to pitch herself as a director, and
Speaker 1: I liked what she had to say and thought that
Speaker 1: she was the director, and then hired her to direct.
Speaker 1: We hired a new writer to do the rewrite, and
Speaker 1: then that took another two years and some change. And
Speaker 1: then while that was all happening, COVID hit.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 6: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: All these things were really really challenging, and going back
Speaker 1: like once I met Richard, meeting Richard, getting a writer
Speaker 1: on board and developing the pitch took time too.
Speaker 6: You know, we had to.
Speaker 1: Spend some hours figuring out like you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: not even hours months figuring out what's the movie story here? Like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I know your life story, but how do I create
Speaker 1: a movie out of that? So all these factors contribute
Speaker 1: to why it takes so long for a movie to
Speaker 1: get made. But I'm grateful that, you know, I gave
Speaker 1: Richard my word and I was successful in getting his
Speaker 1: movie made. And now it's about to come to the
Speaker 1: world and it's on Disney Plus and Hulu, and you know,
Speaker 1: and that's and it's amazing that this is the first
Speaker 1: movie in the history of Disney that this is that's
Speaker 1: going out on both US streaming platforms.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say that just happened, right, yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, it just happened a little while ago. So
Speaker 1: it's amazing. You know, they saw the movie and thought
Speaker 1: that this was perfect film for both platforms.
Speaker 5: Oh that's really cool. I think it's such a testament
Speaker 5: to be able to keep your word on something. I mean,
Speaker 5: that's a long time in this industry to hold something
Speaker 5: and be able to produce, like have something to be
Speaker 5: like I told you, I know seven years ago.
Speaker 1: I know, I mean, you know, but I take that seriously.
Speaker 1: I really take it seriously. For me, it's a movie,
Speaker 1: but for them it's their life. Yeah, so you know,
Speaker 1: I take it seriously. And I really wanted to get
Speaker 1: this done because I think the story. I mean, he
Speaker 1: started as.
Speaker 6: A janitor's working like crazy and.
Speaker 1: You know, cleaning the plant in ranchal Cucamonga, and the
Speaker 1: plant was losing jobs and he wanted to save jobs.
Speaker 1: And he just felt like the company was not appealing
Speaker 1: to his community because he is this he is the
Speaker 1: son of a Mexican immigrant and he's like, you know,
Speaker 1: the company is not appealing to the Mexican American community
Speaker 1: because there's no spicy product. And he was like, look,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to take this spicy product and
Speaker 1: market it to my community because I think it's going
Speaker 1: to work. And they gave him the opportunity to do that,
Speaker 1: and what we now know as the success of Flame
Speaker 1: and Hot Cheetos came to be, and not just Cheeto's,
Speaker 1: but Dorito's and the.
Speaker 6: Whole Flame of Hot brand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that catapulted him from being you know, the
Speaker 1: janitor to becoming one of the topic executives at the company.
Speaker 1: And that is just a powerful American story that I
Speaker 1: was I said, we got to make this movie.
Speaker 6: You got to make the movie. How do you do?
Speaker 1: That kind of remind me of Pursuit of Happiness, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which I had the pleasure of working on as an
Speaker 1: executive when I was working for Sony. So this is
Speaker 1: the first movie I've been trying to redo Pursuit of
Speaker 1: Happiness forever, and this is the first movie that I
Speaker 1: have found where I think we got close.
Speaker 3: I do think that there's something in these stories that
Speaker 3: are very inspirational and motivational in the sense that you
Speaker 3: don't have to like I think that there's this misconception
Speaker 3: of like you have to, you know, go to the
Speaker 3: best schools, and you have to go to the best
Speaker 3: things to get into the best jobs and be in
Speaker 3: front of the best companies. And it's like he was
Speaker 3: a janitor at this place. Yes, he didn't even have
Speaker 3: a seat at the table, and he like made a
Speaker 3: seat for himself, you know. And I obviously don't know
Speaker 3: how the story unfolds, because I haven't seen it yet,
Speaker 3: but there is so much power in that because I
Speaker 3: think that a lot of time we can feel really
Speaker 3: helpless where we are, and if you have the passion,
Speaker 3: you have the drive, and you believe in yourself.
Speaker 4: You really can get there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, I mean absolutely. I mean it's anybody
Speaker 1: watching this movie can take something away for their own
Speaker 1: life in terms of perseverance and tenacity. And also, Richard
Speaker 1: didn't set out to create a billion dollar brand, you know,
Speaker 1: he didn't set out to create you know, what we
Speaker 1: now know is flameing hot.
Speaker 6: That wasn't his goal. His goal was to create jobs,
Speaker 6: save jobs.
Speaker 1: You know, the plant workers, the people I'm working next to,
Speaker 1: their losing their jobs, families are suffering.
Speaker 6: I want to do something about that. That's service.
Speaker 1: And I think so often, you know, especially you know
Speaker 1: in La, there's just this addiction to dream chasing, you know,
Speaker 1: versus like, Okay, yeah I have a dream, But how
Speaker 1: can I be a certain of us?
Speaker 6: How can I help somebody so true you know along
Speaker 6: the way? How can I do that?
Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, most people that
Speaker 1: end up changing this world are not setting out to
Speaker 1: change the world. They're just setting out to help somebody
Speaker 1: so true, And I think this movie really shows the
Speaker 1: power of that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like looking at the bigger picture outside of yourself. Yes, always, absolutely,
Speaker 5: which is hard.
Speaker 6: It's hard, it's hard.
Speaker 1: But like if Richard was trying to go out there
Speaker 1: and create flaming hot Cheetos and billion dollar brand, we
Speaker 1: wouldn't be talking about it right now. So true, but
Speaker 1: his heart was I want to save jobs. I want
Speaker 1: to give back to the place that's given so.
Speaker 6: Much to me.
Speaker 4: It's just so counterculture to what it is now.
Speaker 6: I know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I know it's so opposite of what the society is
Speaker 4: that we're living in.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, But that's why I think. You know,
Speaker 1: I've screened this film, you know, with audiences all around
Speaker 1: the country already, and people I mean of all races, ages,
Speaker 1: you know, genders, I mean, they are loving this movie.
Speaker 1: I think because they do relate to it, like because
Speaker 1: the culture is so counter culture at this moment that
Speaker 1: this movie is cutting through and resonating with people in
Speaker 1: a way that is really gratifying and surprising. And I'm
Speaker 1: excited to see how it does once the debut is
Speaker 1: on Hulu and Day's Disney.
Speaker 5: Plus, I'm so excited to see it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm really excited to see it too.
Speaker 5: June ninth, which it'll be the day after this podcaster.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So if you listen to this. You
Speaker 4: could probably watch it at this point.
Speaker 1: Love that, Yes, streaming right now. Get a bag of
Speaker 1: flaming hot Cheetos.
Speaker 5: That's all ideal.
Speaker 3: But I feel like you do that too. You know,
Speaker 3: you have so much going on. I don't I don't
Speaker 3: even want to know what your calendar looks like in
Speaker 3: a day like truly, But I feel like you still
Speaker 3: go and you still preach at churches, and you still
Speaker 3: make time to yeah, to do all that. And I
Speaker 3: think that is also a testament to who you are too,
Speaker 3: because I think you can be doing the same thing
Speaker 3: like how can I build my dream and chase my
Speaker 3: dream and do this? But you also have this aspect
Speaker 3: of you that really wants to serve and give back
Speaker 3: to other people.
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, no, it's important. It's important. I mean, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be here if that wasn't the case. You know,
Speaker 1: it's really about that. Yeah, going back to you know,
Speaker 1: even the conversation about the book and not you know,
Speaker 1: making the list. You know, okay, but you touch lives, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, you improve people's point of view and perspective.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: We heard from so many mothers and daughters that were
Speaker 3: doing the devotional together, which was really really really cool
Speaker 3: and special, which is why we did it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: It was like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's just
Speaker 1: you know, it's like at the end of the movie,
Speaker 1: Richard has a line about not letting anyone, you know,
Speaker 1: steal his story, you know, and taking ownership of it,
Speaker 1: and and I resonate with that, like, you know, let's
Speaker 1: not let these arbitrary things like a list steal our story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a great story. We've got a book made.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's huge.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like you're an author, You're eternal. When I first became
Speaker 1: an author, my buddy was like, who's who was an author?
Speaker 1: He said, now you're eternal. You know, I hear your
Speaker 1: words will be around.
Speaker 4: For everything, So that I never thought that cool perspective.
Speaker 3: What actually, you know, because you do have so many
Speaker 3: things going on, what do you want your story to be?
Speaker 4: Like where does DeVaughn go from here?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know, man, what Captain Kirk said, boldly go with
Speaker 1: no man has gone before. So you know, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to just live in the fullness of my gifts and
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I love entertainment, so you know,
Speaker 1: continuing to act and produce and write books and maybe
Speaker 1: direct one day and continue to preach and you know,
Speaker 1: just just continue to be me and do all that
Speaker 1: I'm gifted to do and keep challenging myself, you know,
Speaker 1: take it to the next level. See what can happen
Speaker 1: with the still the same goal of you know, uplifting
Speaker 1: people along the way and providing information, inspiration, hope and help.
Speaker 1: Those are things that no matter what I do, I'm
Speaker 1: passionate about those things. But what it's all going to
Speaker 1: look like? I truly have no idea.
Speaker 4: Do you take time for yourself?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you really sure have to take time?
Speaker 4: Like like what energizer, Bunny? You just keep going?
Speaker 1: No, I know I do, but I you know, I
Speaker 1: do it because I have a very you know, strong regimen.
Speaker 1: You know, I work out in the mornings. I have
Speaker 1: supplements and things that I take. I take off the Sabbath,
Speaker 1: so Friday night send down, a Saturday, I send out.
Speaker 1: I don't work, turn off my email, don't check social media.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: So I do have a lot of, you know, things
Speaker 1: in place to help me stay where I need to
Speaker 1: stay mentally, emotionally, and physically.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think that I was going to ask that too,
Speaker 5: like what do you do to come back when you're
Speaker 5: giving so much to people. So I think it's I
Speaker 5: think sometimes our society and structure is like you grind, grind, grind,
Speaker 5: and don't take any time for yourself.
Speaker 6: So you have to, Yeah, you have to.
Speaker 1: I don't even like that a concept of grinding, like
Speaker 1: you know, like if you grind your teeth, it's a
Speaker 1: problem then down.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like you go to different countries and they have
Speaker 5: like scheduled nap times in the middle of that, I'm like,
Speaker 5: we're not doing it right over here.
Speaker 6: I don't know, so true. So no, yeah, I definitely.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm busy and I have seasons, you know,
Speaker 1: like this when I'm out promoting the film, which are
Speaker 1: busier than usual. But you know, I still try to
Speaker 1: find the time, you know, you know, and also even
Speaker 1: through all the staying in therapy, staying in life coaching,
Speaker 1: you know, still taking time to journal and read and pray.
Speaker 1: All those things are are essential no matter how busy
Speaker 1: I get.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they're easy to yeah, not put in the schedule.
Speaker 6: They're easy. It's easy.
Speaker 1: But like no, I'm like, no, no, no, I'm going
Speaker 1: to find an hour for my therapy session, an hour
Speaker 1: for my life coaching.
Speaker 6: We'll figure it out.
Speaker 1: But those are the things that help because having an
Speaker 1: outlet to express and explore what's going on inside of
Speaker 1: me consistently, I've learned that that's really helpful to manage
Speaker 1: all that's that I that I'm tasked with doing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think when you find the importance in those
Speaker 5: things like therapy and stuff, you're like, I will make
Speaker 5: time where I need to make time makes the biggest difference.
Speaker 5: It does how I'm able to give to other people.
Speaker 4: Do you work out seven days a week? In questions, Well,
Speaker 4: six days a week.
Speaker 6: It just depends.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I'll take a like today, I didn't,
Speaker 1: I've worked out this morning. I'll probably work out tonight.
Speaker 1: But I try to do some movement every day as
Speaker 1: best I can, you know. So I will go between
Speaker 1: like rumble boxing and uh hot yoga and the studio
Speaker 1: climber class here in LA like the things.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll do that.
Speaker 1: Then I'll like sometimes jump rope at the house or
Speaker 1: work out with this axe that's called like chop fit,
Speaker 1: which you know, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 5: Whoa you know, the TikTok it's always like chopping, So I.
Speaker 1: Just mix it up yeah, but I try to do
Speaker 1: some movement every day every day because it just first
Speaker 1: of all, just helps me mentally. Yeah, Like if I
Speaker 1: usually don't work out in the morning, I feel a
Speaker 1: little groggy. Yeah, but if even if I just do
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes a jump rope, I'm like, Okay, my blood flalling.
Speaker 4: It's a long time to jump rope. Let me tell you.
Speaker 5: I can.
Speaker 2: List.
Speaker 6: I've set the clock to fifteen minutes. And you know, wow, man.
Speaker 3: You're just you really are always inspiring me, motivating me.
Speaker 3: You are somebody that I really really look up to
Speaker 3: and admire in many ways. So just always rooting for
Speaker 3: you and all your projects. I really I hope Flaming
Speaker 3: Hawk goes to number one and.
Speaker 5: Stream streaming services, yeah.
Speaker 3: Just all over the place, and that they you make
Speaker 3: another I don't even whatever you wanted to. Hope everything
Speaker 3: that you do turns out successful because I really I
Speaker 3: believe in what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I really appreciate I believe with
Speaker 1: both of you all. Grateful always for the time to
Speaker 1: be able to talk and you know connect.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you for coming and scrubbing it in.
Speaker 3: Studio, studio, and please when the when one of one
Speaker 3: comes out, Please come back because we could do oh no, yeah,
Speaker 3: we can.
Speaker 5: Do a whole series on that little series on that one.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
Speaker 6: Welcome, thank you.