1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya rap An iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: Hello everybody, we are scrubbing in and we are so 3 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 2: excited because we did tease this Monday, but today we 4 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 2: are joined by an award winning producer, New York Times 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 2: best selling author and motivational speaker. 6 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 3: He has made a commitment to inspire people around the 7 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 3: world through entertainment, and he has definitely been an inspiration 8 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 3: for me for many, many years. 9 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 4: I love this man. 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 5: He is a force in media and has become a 11 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 5: leading authority on inspiration, spiritual wellness, and personal development. 12 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 3: Please help us give a warm welcome too. 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 5: Wait, let's say, please give a warm welcome back. Oh good, sorry, mart. 14 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 3: Please help us give a warm welcome back to Divone Franklin. 15 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 5: Tanya is high energy as as I don't think he 16 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 5: even knows what to do with her. 17 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 6: It's my sister right here. Yeah, I love it, Dearly. 18 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 3: I really like you have done so much for me personally, 19 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 3: and it's so crazy because like we're not like best 20 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 3: friends by any means, you know, like. 21 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 4: I never I see you very rarely, but your. 22 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 3: Impact on my life has been so great, and so 23 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 3: when I know you've been on the podcast before, but 24 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 3: having you in studio is just like a whole different 25 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 3: feel because I just feel like I gained so much 26 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 3: from you just by like listening to you and watching you, 27 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 3: and so to have you here is very exciting for me. 28 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: I'm excited. I'm always excited to see you and just 29 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: grateful for our connection. 30 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, me too, me too. 31 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 5: You We talked to you last in twenty twenty one. 32 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 5: Oh wow, Yeah, so I feel like a lot has 33 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 5: changed in your life. You're in a different place altogether, 34 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 5: as we all are. That was during kind of like pandemic, 35 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 5: and a lot has happened since then. What's new? What's 36 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 5: happening in your life right now? 37 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 2: You know? 38 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: I mean it's just been so busy with work, you know, 39 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: producing you know, this new movie, and started acting, which 40 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: is brand new. I never even thought about acting ever. 41 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: It was never a I mean I used to act 42 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: in like middle school plays and high school plays, but 43 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: I never thought like, oh yeah, I want to act 44 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: in a movie or a TV series. And to now 45 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: be doing that is I mean, that's probably the newest thing, 46 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: which you know, even now, I'm like. 47 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 6: Wow, that's really cool. 48 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's just been a season of just you know, 49 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: navigating a lot of busyness and you know, working on 50 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: trying to, you know, just not be overwhelmed. Right, Like 51 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: everybody wants success, which is great, but at the same time, 52 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: you know, success requires management. 53 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 6: It's not like, oh it's. 54 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 1: So easy, Like no, most of the time, if you 55 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: are successful at some level, you're working even harder. And 56 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: so for me, it's just really been trying to, you know, 57 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: stay in the moment, be present, enjoy and not just 58 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: be so overwhelmed by all the things that are happening. 59 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 5: What was it, Where were you or what happened when 60 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 5: you had a moment where you were like, I want 61 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 5: to act now I didn't. 62 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 6: Oh I didn't. I was offered the role. Oh yeah. 63 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: The producers and the director of this movie called Jesus Revolution. 64 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: They came out earlier this year. 65 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 4: It was very massive, huge. Yeah. 66 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: Yes, it's highest grossing inspirational film this year so far. 67 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: And so they came to me and they said, hey, 68 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: there's a part that we want you to play of 69 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 1: this reporter who works for Time magazine. And at first 70 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: I was going to say, well, I'm not an actor. 71 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: That was my first instinct, but then I was like, well, let. 72 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 6: Me read the script. 73 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: I read the script and I said, oh, I kind 74 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: of like this part. It's a great story. The script's great. 75 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: So I said okay and started working with an acting 76 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: coach and really took it very seriously, and I went 77 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: to set and did what I was instructed to do 78 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: and it went. 79 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 6: Well, and I was like, oh, this is good. 80 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: And people started seeing the movie saying, oh, wow, you 81 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: look you were great. Nobody even thought like, oh, I 82 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: would have never known you never acted before. So it 83 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: was just an opportunity presented to me, as have all 84 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: the other acting opportunities I've had since then, and I 85 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: have a couple projects that will come out into this year. 86 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 3: So but it is interesting because I think a lot 87 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 3: of time in life, people will get offered things and 88 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 3: you think, oh no, no, no, like that's not me, Like 89 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 3: that's not my box, Like this is my box and 90 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 3: that's not my box. 91 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 4: And I think a lot of people don't have. 92 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 3: The courage to step out of that and face something 93 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 3: that is new or scary. Right, what got you through that? 94 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 3: Because I thought you do that a lot in your career, 95 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 3: Like you are if I ask you what you are 96 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 3: you are an author, you are a motivational speaker, you 97 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 3: are a CEO, you have a production company, you're a producer, 98 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 3: you're an actor. 99 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 4: I mean, like, I mean, there's more than I'm forgetting too. 100 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think it requires a level of 101 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: just ignorance, you know, like, well, I'm not really aware 102 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: of what I can't do, so let me stay ignorant 103 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: to that, right, Like and then also it's like, why 104 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: would I create a la for myself that would limit myself? 105 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: So if I'm like, oh, I'm just the producer, then 106 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: that's cool. Like I do know how to produce. I'm 107 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: a really good producer. But if I only wear that label, 108 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: then that label can block other things that I am. 109 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 1: I just don't know that I am. So I just 110 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: try to live in the world a possibility like, oh 111 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: well why not, you know, And the worst thing that 112 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: happens is I do this movie and I fail, right, 113 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: all right, Well I didn't quit my day job, you know, Yeah, 114 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: but I had the experience of doing it, and in 115 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: that experience is growth. So no matter what, there's no 116 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: way I could lose. So just living that way of like, 117 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to be defined by anything 118 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: I do. I want to, you know, continue to explore 119 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: who I am what's possible, you know, And that's the fun. 120 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: I mean, to learn that I have this other skill 121 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: set that I didn't know I had, and to now 122 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: have opportunities to express it and explore it. That's what 123 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: keeps me doing it. It's like, Oh, before I became 124 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: an author, I didn't know I could write. The opportunity 125 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: was presented, you know, I said, oh, I wrote one book, 126 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: and then oh I have another an idea for this 127 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: book and this book, and now we're like six or 128 00:05:59,560 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: seven book. 129 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 3: Then just so that's like a whole other thing to 130 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 3: be really proud of, because that is truly just. But 131 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 3: I think that fear of failure is what really stops people. 132 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 3: And I feel like, but have you experienced failure in 133 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 3: any way? Because I feel like everything you touches. 134 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: Well no, I mean, you know, look, I think we 135 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: have to then evaluate what is our definition of failure, right, 136 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: because failure traditionally indicates that the result that I wanted 137 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: I didn't get. So then the emotions around that usually 138 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: reveal a level of attachment to a result that probably 139 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: was unhealthy. Right, So if I'm feeling like I failed. Okay, 140 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: well how did you fail? Well, you had a goal, 141 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: you didn't hit it. Well, what did you learn? Oh well, 142 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: here's what I learned. How did you grow? Well, here's 143 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: how I grew. Did you fail? So when I think 144 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: of failure, you know, I look at it through the 145 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: lens of you know, have I had things that didn't 146 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: go the way I wanted? 147 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 6: Sure, but I'm glad that that happened. You know. 148 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: Not every movie I've worked on has been you know, 149 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: super successful. Not every book that I've written, you know, 150 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: has been a New York Times bestseller at all. But 151 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: then I have to say, Okay, if I'm creating a 152 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: false definition of success as well as a false definition 153 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: of failure, then I'm always going to be subject to 154 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: those definitions. Yeah, instead of allowing the result is what 155 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: the result is? Like learning to be a I mean 156 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: passionate enough to be able to write it or produce 157 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: it or act in it, but detached from the result, like, 158 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: you know, whatever that does? 159 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 4: How do you do that? 160 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 2: Though? 161 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 3: I think that's been what's your quote that you always say, No, 162 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 3: it's open to the possibility, not attached to the outcome. 163 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 3: And I think that can make you live a very healthy, 164 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 3: happy life. 165 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 4: But I don't know how to do that. 166 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 3: I am attached to every single outcome. And actually it's 167 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 3: funny you bring up the New York Times bestseller because 168 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 3: when we put out the book, I was so attached 169 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 3: to that outcome, and when it didn't happen, I felt 170 00:07:58,400 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: like the book was a failure and it was right. 171 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 3: It like broke my heart because I was I spent 172 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 3: so much time and effort and energy in it, and 173 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 3: to me it felt like a failure. And that was 174 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 3: really hard for me to deal with, like I couldn't 175 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 3: wrap my head around it. So how do you stay 176 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 3: attached to the outcome? 177 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: Yes, and I've been there before, right, So anything I'm 178 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: talking about is because I've been there. So I've been 179 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: there when in terms of you know, the books and 180 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: you know, wanting the sales and wanting the list and 181 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: not happening multiple times, and to your point, feeling like, 182 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: oh I failed, and and what has helped me get 183 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: out of that is there's probably not one place I 184 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: go where someone doesn't come up to me and say, 185 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: I have one of your books and it helped me, 186 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: and thank you for what you're doing. And you know 187 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: I mean, And so then I say, Okay, the New 188 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: York Times list is an arbitrary list. 189 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 6: It's cool, great if we hit it. Cool, I'm not. 190 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 6: I'm not knocking it. 191 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: But like, you could hit the New York Times best 192 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: seller's list for a variety of reasons and not to anybody. 193 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: So is this about lives, This about changing lives with 194 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: the message that we've been given, or is it about 195 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: an arbitrary, you know, artificial system that's supposed to make 196 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: us feel more accomplished than we are. Right, a New 197 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: York Times bestseller does not make the words any different. 198 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: It's the same words, it's the same book, it's the 199 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,479 Speaker 1: same process. So again, like if it happens, cool, wonderful. 200 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, it's about the 201 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: shift of perspective. It's about the people, right, Like I 202 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: wrote this book to change people's hearts and minds, to 203 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: put something positive in the world. And I got to 204 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,719 Speaker 1: work on being you know, detached and agnostic about how 205 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: that happens. Because the more attached I am, then what 206 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: happens is what you've experienced, what I've experienced negative emotion. Right, 207 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: I did not hit the New York Times Bestsellers list. 208 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: I am a failure on some level, or I'm not 209 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: as successful as I thought. Where who's the arbiter of that? 210 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: Who determines that we do? So we create this false 211 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: narrative in our own life, we judge ourselves by it, 212 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: and then what's a perfectly amazing book becomes a book 213 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: that's not so good. 214 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's all here, it's all in our mind. 215 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with reality. Anybody that picks 216 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: up the book is going to get so much out 217 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: of it. I know I got a lot out of it. 218 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 6: You know. 219 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 1: There's so much in the book that I think is 220 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: life changing and perspective changing and shifting. So it's really 221 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: about saying, Okay, what are the things here that I 222 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: can focus on that will keep me in a positive emotion, 223 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: in a positive mental state, and let me work on 224 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: releasing anything that will not Yeah. Right, so, and I'm 225 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: not even saying the next book, Sure, work towards the list, 226 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: no problem. But do it from a place of joy, right, 227 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: do it from a place of this is exciting, you know, 228 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: and great. And what I learned is, oh, these are 229 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: the things that have to be done and truth be 230 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:44,719 Speaker 1: told most of the. 231 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 6: Time hitting the list. 232 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: Beyond the type of press that has done for a book, 233 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: A lot of has to just do with the. 234 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 6: Number of people that you're reaching. 235 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: So if you're reaching a number of people, you know 236 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: in advance or timed right around release, you know, it 237 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: gives you a better chance to be acknowledged. So it's like, Okay, 238 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: let me focus on the people. How can I get 239 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 1: to people? How can I sell this message to people? 240 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: And then let's see what's meant to be. And just 241 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: like a seed, every seed's different. Some books are not 242 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: meant to do that and other books will. So it's hard. 243 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: I get it. I totally get it. You're absolutely right. 244 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: It's the work that I'm doing so that I don't 245 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: take myself to a negative place that I don't have to. 246 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 3: I will say though that experience, I remember I faced 247 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 3: one of my facts. I was fearing rejection asking you 248 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 3: to endorse the book, Like I was, like, I didn't 249 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 3: want to ask you because they were talking about who 250 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 3: do you want to endorse it? And they were saying, 251 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 3: is there somebody in the book space that you really admire? 252 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 3: And like you were the first name that came to mind. 253 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 3: But I was like, we're not really like close friends, 254 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 3: so I'm scared. I don't want to ask him, like 255 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 3: and just was scared you were going to say no 256 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 3: or like ignore the message or whatever. And then when 257 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 3: you said yes, I was like, wow, Like why do 258 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 3: I not do things that made me like a little 259 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 3: bit nervous, you know, like I always do. I stay 260 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 3: very in my comfort zone. I never stepped out of it. 261 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 3: And that was something that like I stepped out of 262 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 3: it for and it really was like paid off in 263 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 3: such a beautiful way, Like it made me feel so 264 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 3: good and supported and like I don't know, so that 265 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 3: was like a big moment for me that you're part of. 266 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, and I know, why not thinking of me? 267 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 5: Yeah? 268 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was no problem And the book was great, 269 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: and you know, I was happy to support it in any. 270 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 4: Way I could. And you're working on another book too. 271 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 6: I'm working on another book. 272 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 4: Can you tell us a little bit about Yeah. 273 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: The book is called One of One and it's basically 274 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: the true meaning behind being single? Uh, and it's ironic, 275 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: Like I didn't know what it meant to be single 276 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: until I came single again after divorce, crazy, and then 277 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: what I realized is that we're all single, no matter 278 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: of your relationship stat because we're all individuals and a 279 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: couple is only as strong as the two singles that 280 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: make up the couple. And so often we don't actually 281 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: focus on who we are as an individual and harness 282 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 1: the power of that, because we spend so much time 283 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: looking for a relationship and then we get into a couple. 284 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: But because we don't know how to be a good single, 285 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: we don't know how to be one with ourselves. How 286 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: can we be one with someone else? And then we 287 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: overburdened the relationship. 288 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 5: You're definitely preaching to the choir here because when's this book. 289 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, when this is coming out. 290 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: I'm working on it now, it'll be I'm open, like 291 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: in the first quarter next year. 292 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 3: That's yeah, Yes, tell us more. 293 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 4: What have you learned in this new era? 294 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 3: Please? Oh man, No, I've learned so much because I mean, 295 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 3: you were married for year decade and so I feel 296 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 3: like that. You know, we were talking about how when 297 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 3: you you do become dependent on another person in a 298 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 3: weird way, just natural happens when you're with somebody for 299 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 3: several years. Yes, but you can't lose yourself in that. 300 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 3: And sometimes it's sometimes it's easier and sometimes it's harder. 301 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 3: And I feel like, is that what you learned after 302 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 3: your divorce? 303 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 6: Well? 304 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: In part, you know, in part it's like, okay, you 305 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 1: know if I focus on it being being. 306 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 6: An individual, right, Well, what does it mean for me 307 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 6: to be an individual? You know? 308 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: Am I loving to myself? Do I care for myself? 309 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: Do I keep space for myself? Do I give grace 310 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: to myself? So what in my experience what happens is 311 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: a lot of times we're waiting to be with someone 312 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: to do those things. 313 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, it's like he's speaking, keep going and 314 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 4: keep going, keep going. 315 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: So what happens is that when we don't become the 316 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: number one generator of grace and space and love and 317 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: happiness and joy for ourself, we then overburden. 318 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 6: The relationship to do something it's not designed to. 319 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: Do because somebody, even if they don't, they can't articulate it. 320 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: If you carry an energy in your relationship that you 321 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: need this person to be your source of happiness, you 322 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: need this person to be your source of joy, You 323 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,479 Speaker 1: need this person to be your source of recreation, entertainment, 324 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: they are going to reject you subconsciously because all of 325 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: us know that's not how we're set up. I'm not 326 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: set up to be somebody else's source. Yeah, I'm not 327 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: set up to be your No, no, no, I can. 328 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: I can make a contribution to your happiness, but I don't. 329 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: Don't expect me to make you happy every day, because 330 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: I guarantee there gonna be many days I'll make you sad. 331 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: So this idea of being one of one, you got 332 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: a hilarious. 333 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 4: I know, well, because we're I mean we're I think 334 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 4: we're in. 335 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 3: A season of life that you're really speaking to right now. 336 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, Well for me, it's like, okay, 337 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: knowing that I'm one of one, Oh great, Okay, that 338 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: means I'm rare. It means I'm valuable. It means that 339 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: I'm not defined by who I'm with. I'm defined by 340 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: the fact that I was bold, that I'm in this 341 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: earth and I'm doing I'm a unique individual and that's 342 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: important because in a relationship, there's a tendency to give 343 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: up that individuality. And I believe that this is why 344 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: so many relationships don't work, and that's why people are 345 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: so happy unhappy is because they are not themselves. If 346 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: this is the irony you get with somebody, whether it's 347 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: in a relationship or marriage, and they become the person 348 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: you're less truthful with. You tell the people outside of 349 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: the relationship all the stuff that you wish you could 350 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: tell your partner. 351 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 6: That makes that's crazy. 352 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: And then we wonder why relationships don't work because we 353 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: are not being ourselves and we're not harnessing the power 354 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: of what it means to be one of one, to 355 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: be an individual, to have an individual way of thinking. 356 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: And then I bring that to the relationship. A great 357 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: relationship will enhance individuality. It won't cause individuality to be diminished. 358 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: And that's something that I did not know before getting, 359 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: you know, married. Right before I was married, I thought like, oh, 360 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: similar to what everybody thinks. Oh, you know, you find 361 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: love and then that's when life happens. And I did 362 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: find love and life was great. But when I bought 363 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: into the myth that the relationship or the marriage was 364 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: going to make me happier yeah than when I was uncoupled, 365 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: that myth was very destructive because it wasn't true. And 366 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: this is the bill of goods we sell. Everybody get 367 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: into a relationship, fine, love, find marriage, it's the answer. 368 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the fairy tale. 369 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: It's the fairy tale. And we had people squandering the 370 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: period of time when they're uncoupled looking for somebody, when 371 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: really you should be looking for yourself. Who am I, 372 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 1: What do I want? What are my experiences? What do 373 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: I like? 374 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 6: What don't I like? 375 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: So, then when I'm in a relationship, what happens is 376 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: if I know if I have a stronger sense of self, right, 377 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: because every relationship can teach us more about ourselves. But 378 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: let's say have a strong sense of self and I 379 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: have grace for myself, and I have space for myself, 380 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have space for my partner. I'm gonna have 381 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: grace for my partner. If I have a short temper 382 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: with me, I'm gonna have a short temper with them. 383 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: If I don't really like me, I'm gonna have a 384 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: problem with them. I'm gonna find fault with them. Right, 385 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: anything that I'm pointing the finger out usually is a 386 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: mirror for something I'm not feeling inside. So this idea 387 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: of being one of one and say, okay, even if 388 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: I'm in a relationship, I'm a single, what makes me 389 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: a good single? What do I need to do in 390 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: my life to be the best single I can be? 391 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: And then how do I share that with someone instead 392 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: of demanding Because here's what happens. We demand that people perform. 393 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, well in a. 394 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: Relationship, you better do this right or well, why does 395 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: doing that matter so much? I'm not saying that you 396 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: should negotiate in a relationship? What makes you all one? 397 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: What makes the relationship work? 398 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 6: Talk about it? 399 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: But so often because we're not doing the work on 400 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: the inside, we're not figuring out what's going on in us. 401 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 6: We point to the person. 402 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: As the problem and the danger there is. You point 403 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: to the person as a problem, you break up with 404 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: that person, but the real problem never gets solved. Yeah, 405 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: and the real problem was us. So then we take 406 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: the same problem to the next relationship. Keep pointing the finger. 407 00:18:59,160 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: This ain't right. 408 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 6: Get out. 409 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 1: Take the next problem to the same You see how 410 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: crazy it is, and we have all this heartbreak that 411 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 1: we didn't need to have, right, because it starts with like, okay, well, 412 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 1: why is this issue a problem to begin with? Why 413 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: am I attracting an unhealthy person to be continuously because 414 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: there's something in me that's unhealthy that's not being addressed. 415 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 1: So this is the you know again, I don't mean 416 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: to go on a dangier. 417 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 4: But this is what the new book is going to be. 418 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: About, one of one, you know, really knowing what it 419 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: means to be single and finding the purpose and the 420 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: power and the piece of it. 421 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 5: Has there been struggling that for you? I mean being 422 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 5: with someone for tenure? 423 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 4: I mean that's such a you. 424 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 3: Know, from your perspective now, like you have this really 425 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 3: amazing perspective on it. 426 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 4: But it's like we get. 427 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 1: Pain is the greatest teacher. Yeah, right, so pain is 428 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: the greatest teacher. So I couldn't even begin to articulate 429 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: or wrap my head around these concepts without going through 430 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: deep pain, you know, not being married and and you know, 431 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,479 Speaker 1: I mean, I want to say losing my wife, but 432 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: you know, having a life transition and going through divorce 433 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: that's the most painful experience in life. And I certainly 434 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: would never prescribe it to anyone at all. And so 435 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: for me, instead of coming out of the divorce and 436 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: the relationship and pointing the finger, I wanted to say, Okay, 437 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: well what was my part in this? You know, what 438 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: do I need to know more about me, not from 439 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: a judgmental standpoint, just from a like life like, hey, 440 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 1: who am I? 441 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 6: What did I learn? How did I get here? 442 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: And so from that work and you know, working with 443 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: a therapist and working with life coaches and journaling and 444 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: writing and reading the scripture and all of that, that's 445 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: what started me to get clearer on you know, where 446 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: I went wrong and how I can help others and 447 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 1: use the pain that I've been through in a positive 448 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 1: way to help others, you know, navigate relationships as I 449 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: do too, you know, and it's not easy, right, like, 450 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 1: but I feel like it's for me the idea that 451 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: I could use something difficult that I've been through to 452 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 1: help somebody else, it then gives it more purpose. So 453 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: it really was the pain of going through this and 454 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: then doing. 455 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 6: It publicly, you know, that's that's a people people. 456 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: Everybody wants a spotlight, but the spotlight that illuminates also burns. 457 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 6: It's the truth. 458 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: And so you know, I can't choose to go through 459 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: it privately. Everybody in the world knows. So yeah, that 460 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: pain of that is what has produced a lot of 461 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: these thoughts in this clarity around and also for me personally, 462 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, whenever I do get married again, 463 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: you know I can do it from I think, a 464 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: a stronger emotional place, with a greater perspective on what 465 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: the marriage needs or the relationship needs and and what 466 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't uh, and do my best to not overburden 467 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 1: it with things that it was never designed to do. 468 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 6: You know, no one can heal us. We can heal ourselves. 469 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 3: And that's such a beautiful place to be into. I 470 00:21:55,960 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 3: always find it so uh, I don't know what the 471 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 3: word is. It's so off putting when people go through 472 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 3: a divorce and they are like that person sucked and 473 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 3: they sucked and I hate this person. It's like you 474 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 3: were married to this person for so long. And also 475 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 3: like take accountability for you know it is it's a 476 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 3: relationship is two people. It's two people that cannot make 477 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 3: a relationship work. It's not one person's fault. And so 478 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 3: I think when you hear people come out of like 479 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 3: a divorce and they're pointing the finger and bashing the 480 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 3: other person, I find it to be so like you said, 481 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 3: like it's like that's not you taking any accountability for it. 482 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 3: It's such like a it's nice to hear you say 483 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 3: that from your perspective, My boyfriend was the same way. 484 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 3: He was divorced, and he had that same perspective of 485 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 3: when he went through it. Obviously everything's different and the 486 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 3: circumstances were I'm sure different, but it was like, what 487 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 3: did I attribute? What did I learn from this? And 488 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 3: how can I grow moving forward in my next relationship 489 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 3: and when I do get married to not allow that 490 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 3: to happen again? 491 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, And you know, I mean I hope 492 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 1: that we take that, you know, I hope that we 493 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,239 Speaker 1: take the time, yeah, to do some introspection and do 494 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 1: some thinking of like, Okay, well what can I do 495 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: to do better? What can I learn from this? Because 496 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: the pointing the finger, it's an easy it's easy placing 497 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: blame is it's a very it's low hanging fruit. 498 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, but to. 499 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: Look inwardly that requires courage and uh, but that's where 500 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: the answers always are. 501 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to talk to you about this book. 502 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 3: I do want to say everybody listening, if you have 503 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 3: not read any of Devon's books, they are all so 504 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 3: fantastic and I always learned something and grow from every 505 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 3: single one of them. 506 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 4: So I'm really excited for the new one. 507 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 6: Thank you. 508 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, I wanted to talk about the weight because I 509 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 5: knew that was a big That. 510 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 4: One was huge for me. Yes, you like changing, Yeah. 511 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 5: Your views on celibacy, that was you you with your 512 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 5: ex correct? 513 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 6: Correct? 514 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 5: And how long were y' all dating? Were you choose? 515 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 6: We dated for almost a year. 516 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 5: Okay, and that was the choice that y'all made to wait, 517 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 5: do you still have the same views on celibacy? 518 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: You know, I believe that that book in Celibacy is 519 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: absolutely a valuable tool, without a doubt what I learned 520 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: from and also when you go back and look at 521 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: the book, the idea behind delayed gratification, it's like, man, 522 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: if we can get that, like, I think life would 523 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: be so much better. Here's what I've learned. The error 524 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: of my ways in that regard was bringing the public 525 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: into my sex life. So going forward, I said, you know, 526 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: y'all got my sex life. Hey, you read about it 527 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: this new chapter, Divin I ain't talking about it because 528 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: the same way, you can't invite the public in when 529 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: you want them and keep them out when you don't. 530 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. So she went through the same exact. 531 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 5: I went on the Bachelor, and I was a virgin 532 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 5: at the. 533 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 4: Time, and it's like her thing. It was like back 534 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 4: in the. 535 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 5: Virgin But I didn't My plan wasn't to talk about 536 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 5: being a virgin. But I said it in like without 537 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 5: remember that I had a mic and seven cameras on me, 538 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 5: you know, like I said it in a very like 539 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 5: trying to comfort a friend like she was a virgin. 540 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 5: I was like, oh, me too. And then I was like, 541 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 5: oh my gosh, my whole storyline on the show has changed, right, 542 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 5: And so I had this you know, it's kind of 543 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 5: this thing where I was like, Hey, this is something 544 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 5: I'm very proud of. I'm not gonna you know, I 545 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 5: don't want anyone who's watching who's also a virgin or 546 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 5: choosing to wait, to feel shame. But it wasn't my 547 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 5: plan to have that part of my life so public. 548 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 5: And so then it was like people felt comfortable coming 549 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 5: up to me and being like to my face, like 550 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 5: are you still a virgin? And so. 551 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: Who were you to ask me that you. 552 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 4: Business? 553 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 5: But it was the same thing. It's like it gave 554 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 5: people this idea that they had the right to know 555 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 5: this information about me. So when I lost my virginity, 556 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 5: I felt this enormous weight of like I've let everyone down. 557 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 5: You know. It was this like weird thing that. 558 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 3: I felt like so sad because it was that was 559 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 3: her first reaction after She was like, I remember you 560 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 3: called me and you were like everyone's going to be 561 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 3: so let down. And I was like, why are you 562 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 3: thinking about that right now? There's a big life moment 563 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 3: for you. That's all she could think about. 564 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 5: It was the same thing. So I was curious if yeah, 565 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 5: that makes perfect sense that you're like, wow, I left 566 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 5: everyone in And then I wanted to be like, you 567 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 5: don't deserve that, like, don'tshing about it. 568 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: And it was, you know, it was well meaning you like, 569 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: you know, and again, the book is great, there's no 570 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: I love the book, you know, and love everything that 571 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: we put into that book, and you know, think that 572 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: message is powerful and that the message works. 573 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 6: But in terms of like you know, how I navigate 574 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 6: you know, these areas, it's like, yo, I got to 575 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 6: learn the lesson and this is I got to keep 576 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 6: it to me. 577 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, but I will tell you just as 578 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 3: somebody that read the book and was in a season 579 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 3: of life where I was in this perpetual pattern of 580 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 3: pain because I was giving my body before I was 581 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 3: getting the the the relationship or the attachment that I 582 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 3: that I wanted. The book really was good for me 583 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 3: as somebody to learn these tools and realize, like, obviously 584 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 3: what I'm doing is hurting is like hurting me, so 585 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 3: I need to do something different. And when I pivoted that, 586 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 3: my dating life completely shifted. And it was like I 587 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 3: put that as kind of like a no, like I'm 588 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 3: not doing this until I'm in a committed, serious relationship. 589 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 3: And it really changed the dating game for me in 590 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 3: such a big way. Like I wasn't crying all the 591 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 3: time like I was. I'd be bombed if things didn't 592 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 3: work out, but I wasn't in this like perpetual pattern 593 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 3: of pain. So I think the book is really amazing 594 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 3: for you know, people going through different seasons of life 595 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 3: and can can relate it in different ways. 596 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 6: I agree. 597 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: And it's interesting because even as you articulate it, you 598 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: know that what you just said goes directly to one 599 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: of one. So when I know my value and I 600 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: know my worth that I make different decisions. Yeah, So 601 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: what you're saying is like, look, sex was ultimately at 602 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: some point getting in the way of my decision making process, right, 603 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: And I had to say, I'm going to wait for 604 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: sex until I feel the value that I need to 605 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: feel from the person that I'm going to ultimately share 606 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 1: that with. Yeah, And until i feel that value, I'm waiting. Yeah, 607 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: and I'm not going to do it. That's what it 608 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: means to we want to want. It means to know 609 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: your value, know your worth, and make decisions based on that. 610 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 5: I'm really looking forward to that forward to release. 611 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 4: You know what else I'm looking forward to? 612 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 5: Should we take a break? 613 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 4: Oh, take a break, I'll come right back. All right, 614 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 4: we are back. 615 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 5: Did you want to take the lead? 616 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 3: I wanted to take the lead because I know that 617 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 3: this this movie that is coming out very shortly, This 618 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 3: has been in the works for seven years, flaming Hot, 619 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 3: and I want to know. 620 00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 4: So you produced it? 621 00:28:59,080 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 6: Yes? I did? 622 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 5: Ye? Yes? 623 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 6: Yes? 624 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 3: How because I watched the trailer. I haven't seen the 625 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 3: movie yet, it's not out yet, right, Why was this 626 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 3: something that you really wanted to make? And talk about? 627 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 3: Why movies that take so long? 628 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 6: Like? 629 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 4: How did it take seven years to make this movie? 630 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 6: Yeah? 631 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: You know, this is a movie that from the moment 632 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: that I heard the story, I was like, I've got 633 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: to make this movie. I had a mutual friend introduced 634 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: me to Richard Montagnez and the Flameing Hot movie is 635 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: based upon Richard's story. And he came in and with 636 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: his wife Judy, and I said, just tell me your story. 637 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: And so we sat there in my production office and 638 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: you know, met for about an hour or so, and 639 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: he walked me through his story, and by the end 640 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,239 Speaker 1: of that meeting, I just said, I got to do it. 641 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: I said, yes, I'll get Yes, I'll make your story 642 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: into a movie if you would give me the opportunity. 643 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 6: And he said yes. 644 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: And I didn't have a studio at that point in time. 645 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: I didn't know i'd have a writer. I didn't even 646 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: know that, you know, if it was going to happen. 647 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: But I just felt compelled. I said, Wow, this story 648 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: is too unique, it's too inspiring, it's too motivational for 649 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: me to say no. So I gave him a yes 650 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: in that meeting, and you know, began the process of 651 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: getting the movie made. 652 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 6: And movies, you know, tend to there. It's not like music. 653 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: You know, you can go into the studio and in 654 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: ten minutes have a song, whereas with movies you know, 655 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: it's labor intensive to tell these stories, and from a 656 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: motion picture standpoint, and all that goes into production and 657 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: casting and locations and script development. I mean, there's just 658 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: a lot more factors to create a high quality movie 659 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: and a lot more people that have to be involved. 660 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: So that's part of the reason why it takes so long. 661 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: And so in the case of Flaming Hot, I found 662 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: a writer, we developed a pitch, we sold the pitch, 663 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: and then we worked on it for probably two years 664 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: that script, and then we were able to go out 665 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: to directors, and that's where I met Eva Longoria and 666 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: she came in to pitch herself as a director, and 667 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: I liked what she had to say and thought that 668 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,959 Speaker 1: she was the director, and then hired her to direct. 669 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: We hired a new writer to do the rewrite, and 670 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: then that took another two years and some change. And 671 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: then while that was all happening, COVID hit. 672 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 5: Right. 673 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 6: Oh my goodness. 674 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: All these things were really really challenging, and going back 675 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: like once I met Richard, meeting Richard, getting a writer 676 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: on board and developing the pitch took time too. 677 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 6: You know, we had to. 678 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: Spend some hours figuring out like you know, I mean, 679 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: not even hours months figuring out what's the movie story here? Like, Okay, 680 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: I know your life story, but how do I create 681 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: a movie out of that? So all these factors contribute 682 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: to why it takes so long for a movie to 683 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: get made. But I'm grateful that, you know, I gave 684 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: Richard my word and I was successful in getting his 685 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: movie made. And now it's about to come to the 686 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: world and it's on Disney Plus and Hulu, and you know, 687 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: and that's and it's amazing that this is the first 688 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: movie in the history of Disney that this is that's 689 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: going out on both US streaming platforms. 690 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 691 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 4: I was gonna say that just happened, right, yes. 692 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, it just happened a little while ago. So 693 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: it's amazing. You know, they saw the movie and thought 694 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: that this was perfect film for both platforms. 695 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 5: Oh that's really cool. I think it's such a testament 696 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 5: to be able to keep your word on something. I mean, 697 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 5: that's a long time in this industry to hold something 698 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 5: and be able to produce, like have something to be 699 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 5: like I told you, I know seven years ago. 700 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: I know, I mean, you know, but I take that seriously. 701 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: I really take it seriously. For me, it's a movie, 702 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: but for them it's their life. Yeah, so you know, 703 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: I take it seriously. And I really wanted to get 704 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: this done because I think the story. I mean, he 705 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: started as. 706 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 6: A janitor's working like crazy and. 707 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: You know, cleaning the plant in ranchal Cucamonga, and the 708 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: plant was losing jobs and he wanted to save jobs. 709 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: And he just felt like the company was not appealing 710 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: to his community because he is this he is the 711 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: son of a Mexican immigrant and he's like, you know, 712 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: the company is not appealing to the Mexican American community 713 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: because there's no spicy product. And he was like, look, 714 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: you know, I want to take this spicy product and 715 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: market it to my community because I think it's going 716 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,479 Speaker 1: to work. And they gave him the opportunity to do that, 717 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: and what we now know as the success of Flame 718 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: and Hot Cheetos came to be, and not just Cheeto's, 719 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: but Dorito's and the. 720 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 6: Whole Flame of Hot brand. 721 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that catapulted him from being you know, the 722 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: janitor to becoming one of the topic executives at the company. 723 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,479 Speaker 1: And that is just a powerful American story that I 724 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: was I said, we got to make this movie. 725 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 6: You got to make the movie. How do you do? 726 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: That kind of remind me of Pursuit of Happiness, Yeah, 727 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: which I had the pleasure of working on as an 728 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: executive when I was working for Sony. So this is 729 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: the first movie I've been trying to redo Pursuit of 730 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: Happiness forever, and this is the first movie that I 731 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: have found where I think we got close. 732 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 3: I do think that there's something in these stories that 733 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 3: are very inspirational and motivational in the sense that you 734 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 3: don't have to like I think that there's this misconception 735 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 3: of like you have to, you know, go to the 736 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 3: best schools, and you have to go to the best 737 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 3: things to get into the best jobs and be in 738 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 3: front of the best companies. And it's like he was 739 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 3: a janitor at this place. Yes, he didn't even have 740 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 3: a seat at the table, and he like made a 741 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 3: seat for himself, you know. And I obviously don't know 742 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 3: how the story unfolds, because I haven't seen it yet, 743 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 3: but there is so much power in that because I 744 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,879 Speaker 3: think that a lot of time we can feel really 745 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 3: helpless where we are, and if you have the passion, 746 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 3: you have the drive, and you believe in yourself. 747 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 4: You really can get there. 748 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, I mean absolutely. I mean it's anybody 749 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: watching this movie can take something away for their own 750 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: life in terms of perseverance and tenacity. And also, Richard 751 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: didn't set out to create a billion dollar brand, you know, 752 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: he didn't set out to create you know, what we 753 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:37,399 Speaker 1: now know is flameing hot. 754 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 6: That wasn't his goal. His goal was to create jobs, 755 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 6: save jobs. 756 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 1: You know, the plant workers, the people I'm working next to, 757 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 1: their losing their jobs, families are suffering. 758 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 6: I want to do something about that. That's service. 759 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: And I think so often, you know, especially you know 760 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: in La, there's just this addiction to dream chasing, you know, 761 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 1: versus like, Okay, yeah I have a dream, But how 762 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: can I be a certain of us? 763 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 6: How can I help somebody so true you know along 764 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 6: the way? How can I do that? 765 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, most people that 766 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: end up changing this world are not setting out to 767 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: change the world. They're just setting out to help somebody 768 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: so true, And I think this movie really shows the 769 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: power of that. 770 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like looking at the bigger picture outside of yourself. Yes, always, absolutely, 771 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 5: which is hard. 772 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 6: It's hard, it's hard. 773 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: But like if Richard was trying to go out there 774 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: and create flaming hot Cheetos and billion dollar brand, we 775 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't be talking about it right now. So true, but 776 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 1: his heart was I want to save jobs. I want 777 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,399 Speaker 1: to give back to the place that's given so. 778 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:37,800 Speaker 6: Much to me. 779 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 4: It's just so counterculture to what it is now. 780 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 6: I know, you know what I mean. 781 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 4: I know it's so opposite of what the society is 782 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 4: that we're living in. 783 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: I know, I know, But that's why I think. You know, 784 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,240 Speaker 1: I've screened this film, you know, with audiences all around 785 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: the country already, and people I mean of all races, ages, 786 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 1: you know, genders, I mean, they are loving this movie. 787 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: I think because they do relate to it, like because 788 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 1: the culture is so counter culture at this moment that 789 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: this movie is cutting through and resonating with people in 790 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: a way that is really gratifying and surprising. And I'm 791 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: excited to see how it does once the debut is 792 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: on Hulu and Day's Disney. 793 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 5: Plus, I'm so excited to see it. 794 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm really excited to see it too. 795 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 5: June ninth, which it'll be the day after this podcaster. 796 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So if you listen to this. You 797 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 4: could probably watch it at this point. 798 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: Love that, Yes, streaming right now. Get a bag of 799 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: flaming hot Cheetos. 800 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 5: That's all ideal. 801 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 3: But I feel like you do that too. You know, 802 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:42,919 Speaker 3: you have so much going on. I don't I don't 803 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,360 Speaker 3: even want to know what your calendar looks like in 804 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 3: a day like truly, But I feel like you still 805 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 3: go and you still preach at churches, and you still 806 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 3: make time to yeah, to do all that. And I 807 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 3: think that is also a testament to who you are too, 808 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 3: because I think you can be doing the same thing 809 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 3: like how can I build my dream and chase my 810 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,800 Speaker 3: dream and do this? But you also have this aspect 811 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 3: of you that really wants to serve and give back 812 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 3: to other people. 813 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, no, it's important. It's important. I mean, I 814 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 1: wouldn't be here if that wasn't the case. You know, 815 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: it's really about that. Yeah, going back to you know, 816 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 1: even the conversation about the book and not you know, 817 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: making the list. You know, okay, but you touch lives, yeah, 818 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,360 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, you improve people's point of view and perspective. 819 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 4: Yeah. 820 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 3: We heard from so many mothers and daughters that were 821 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,399 Speaker 3: doing the devotional together, which was really really really cool 822 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 3: and special, which is why we did it. 823 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 4: You know. 824 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 1: It was like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's just 825 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,479 Speaker 1: you know, it's like at the end of the movie, 826 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: Richard has a line about not letting anyone, you know, 827 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: steal his story, you know, and taking ownership of it, 828 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 1: and and I resonate with that, like, you know, let's 829 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 1: not let these arbitrary things like a list steal our story. Yeah, 830 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: it's a great story. We've got a book made. 831 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's huge. 832 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 5: Yeah. 833 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 1: Like you're an author, You're eternal. When I first became 834 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: an author, my buddy was like, who's who was an author? 835 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 1: He said, now you're eternal. You know, I hear your 836 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: words will be around. 837 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 4: For everything, So that I never thought that cool perspective. 838 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 3: What actually, you know, because you do have so many 839 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 3: things going on, what do you want your story to be? 840 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 4: Like where does DeVaughn go from here? 841 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 2: Yeah? 842 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 1: You know, man, what Captain Kirk said, boldly go with 843 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,399 Speaker 1: no man has gone before. So you know, I'm trying 844 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: to just live in the fullness of my gifts and 845 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I love entertainment, so you know, 846 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,919 Speaker 1: continuing to act and produce and write books and maybe 847 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: direct one day and continue to preach and you know, 848 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: just just continue to be me and do all that 849 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: I'm gifted to do and keep challenging myself, you know, 850 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 1: take it to the next level. See what can happen 851 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,320 Speaker 1: with the still the same goal of you know, uplifting 852 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: people along the way and providing information, inspiration, hope and help. 853 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: Those are things that no matter what I do, I'm 854 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 1: passionate about those things. But what it's all going to 855 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: look like? I truly have no idea. 856 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 4: Do you take time for yourself? 857 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 2: Oh? 858 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,839 Speaker 6: Yeah, you really sure have to take time? 859 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 4: Like like what energizer, Bunny? You just keep going? 860 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: No, I know I do, but I you know, I 861 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 1: do it because I have a very you know, strong regimen. 862 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: You know, I work out in the mornings. I have 863 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: supplements and things that I take. I take off the Sabbath, 864 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 1: so Friday night send down, a Saturday, I send out. 865 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 1: I don't work, turn off my email, don't check social media. 866 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 6: You know. 867 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,720 Speaker 1: So I do have a lot of, you know, things 868 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: in place to help me stay where I need to 869 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 1: stay mentally, emotionally, and physically. 870 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 5: Yeah. I think that I was going to ask that too, 871 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 5: like what do you do to come back when you're 872 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 5: giving so much to people. So I think it's I 873 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 5: think sometimes our society and structure is like you grind, grind, grind, 874 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 5: and don't take any time for yourself. 875 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 6: So you have to, Yeah, you have to. 876 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 1: I don't even like that a concept of grinding, like 877 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,719 Speaker 1: you know, like if you grind your teeth, it's a 878 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,279 Speaker 1: problem then down. 879 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, Like you go to different countries and they have 880 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 5: like scheduled nap times in the middle of that, I'm like, 881 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:54,879 Speaker 5: we're not doing it right over here. 882 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 6: I don't know, so true. So no, yeah, I definitely. 883 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 1: You know, I'm busy and I have seasons, you know, 884 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,879 Speaker 1: like this when I'm out promoting the film, which are 885 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 1: busier than usual. But you know, I still try to 886 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,879 Speaker 1: find the time, you know, you know, and also even 887 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 1: through all the staying in therapy, staying in life coaching, 888 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,840 Speaker 1: you know, still taking time to journal and read and pray. 889 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 1: All those things are are essential no matter how busy 890 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: I get. 891 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, but they're easy to yeah, not put in the schedule. 892 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 6: They're easy. It's easy. 893 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 1: But like no, I'm like, no, no, no, I'm going 894 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,919 Speaker 1: to find an hour for my therapy session, an hour 895 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:29,720 Speaker 1: for my life coaching. 896 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 6: We'll figure it out. 897 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 1: But those are the things that help because having an 898 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 1: outlet to express and explore what's going on inside of 899 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 1: me consistently, I've learned that that's really helpful to manage 900 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: all that's that I that I'm tasked with doing. 901 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think when you find the importance in those 902 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,919 Speaker 5: things like therapy and stuff, you're like, I will make 903 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 5: time where I need to make time makes the biggest difference. 904 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,800 Speaker 5: It does how I'm able to give to other people. 905 00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,919 Speaker 4: Do you work out seven days a week? In questions, Well, 906 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 4: six days a week. 907 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 6: It just depends. 908 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I'll take a like today, I didn't, 909 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,400 Speaker 1: I've worked out this morning. I'll probably work out tonight. 910 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: But I try to do some movement every day as 911 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: best I can, you know. So I will go between 912 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 1: like rumble boxing and uh hot yoga and the studio 913 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 1: climber class here in LA like the things. 914 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll do that. 915 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: Then I'll like sometimes jump rope at the house or 916 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 1: work out with this axe that's called like chop fit, 917 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,279 Speaker 1: which you know, it's pretty cool. 918 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 5: Whoa you know, the TikTok it's always like chopping, So I. 919 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 1: Just mix it up yeah, but I try to do 920 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,399 Speaker 1: some movement every day every day because it just first 921 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,759 Speaker 1: of all, just helps me mentally. Yeah, Like if I 922 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,440 Speaker 1: usually don't work out in the morning, I feel a 923 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 1: little groggy. Yeah, but if even if I just do 924 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,880 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes a jump rope, I'm like, Okay, my blood flalling. 925 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 4: It's a long time to jump rope. Let me tell you. 926 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 5: I can. 927 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:01,439 Speaker 2: List. 928 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,280 Speaker 6: I've set the clock to fifteen minutes. And you know, wow, man. 929 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 3: You're just you really are always inspiring me, motivating me. 930 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,719 Speaker 3: You are somebody that I really really look up to 931 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,719 Speaker 3: and admire in many ways. So just always rooting for 932 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,440 Speaker 3: you and all your projects. I really I hope Flaming 933 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 3: Hawk goes to number one and. 934 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 5: Stream streaming services, yeah. 935 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 3: Just all over the place, and that they you make 936 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,960 Speaker 3: another I don't even whatever you wanted to. Hope everything 937 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,799 Speaker 3: that you do turns out successful because I really I 938 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 3: believe in what you're doing. 939 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,279 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I really appreciate I believe with 940 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,239 Speaker 1: both of you all. Grateful always for the time to 941 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 1: be able to talk and you know connect. 942 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you for coming and scrubbing it in. 943 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,719 Speaker 3: Studio, studio, and please when the when one of one 944 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,879 Speaker 3: comes out, Please come back because we could do oh no, yeah, 945 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:51,279 Speaker 3: we can. 946 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 5: Do a whole series on that little series on that one. 947 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:55,319 Speaker 6: Yeah. 948 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:56,239 Speaker 4: Thank you so much. 949 00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,000 Speaker 6: Welcome, thank you.