WEBVTT - Target’s Fake Smile Mandate, Elon Would Fail Turing Test? 11.12.25

0:00:05.519 --> 0:00:07.600
<v Speaker 1>So we've been watching Alien Earth for a few weeks

0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:12.080
<v Speaker 1>behind the curve there. But my husband said the words,

0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:16.360
<v Speaker 1>said the phrase because I was like, did xenomorphs always

0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:19.240
<v Speaker 1>just look like a guy running around in a xenomorph suit?

0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:23.720
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, he goes, xenomorphs are part human and I

0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:27.680
<v Speaker 1>was like, well, obviously I understand the provenance of alien

0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:30.760
<v Speaker 1>DNA and xenomorph DNA, and I'm like, well, they share

0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:34.880
<v Speaker 1>DNA with humans. He said, they are part human, which

0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:38.760
<v Speaker 1>I disagree with, and I need your your Oh.

0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:43.839
<v Speaker 2>I think originally it was that they're part like whatever

0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:49.960
<v Speaker 2>got face hugged, but now with Prometheus, I think they're

0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:53.760
<v Speaker 2>just straight up part human. Yeah, all right, all right,

0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:55.920
<v Speaker 2>I think I think because that was what that was,

0:00:55.960 --> 0:01:00.920
<v Speaker 2>what happened, That's what poor Numi was it newly Repace?

0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:03.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, was she was it?

0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.039
<v Speaker 2>Whoever it was? Whoever it was at the end the

0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:09.720
<v Speaker 2>end of Prometheus. Basically you only see her corpse in

0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:15.280
<v Speaker 2>Alien Covenant. But yeah, so her corpse this DNA. I

0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:19.560
<v Speaker 2>guess presumably it's it's implied that it's her eggs got

0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:23.240
<v Speaker 2>turned into the alien eggs, but you know what I mean, Like,

0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:27.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure that's that's now just like part of

0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:31.959
<v Speaker 2>it is like every alien has I believe new me repaced.

0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:33.640
<v Speaker 4>We could have looked this up, but I'm not going to.

0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:35.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it has a little bit of new me repaced

0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:36.720
<v Speaker 2>DNA in them.

0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:39.279
<v Speaker 1>Okay, and she's a human, so yeah.

0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:40.560
<v Speaker 4>That's because of old David.

0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:43.880
<v Speaker 2>But she's also though, a straight up creationist who somehow

0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:49.560
<v Speaker 2>believes in xenobiology. So the character or the Yeah, there's

0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:52.520
<v Speaker 2>multiple points in Prometheus where they're like, we're doing this,

0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:55.960
<v Speaker 2>you know the how okay for God with a capital

0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:58.560
<v Speaker 2>gene says we're says for letting.

0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:07.360
<v Speaker 3>Me like yeah, yeah, yeah, you can keep talking.

0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:11.080
<v Speaker 2>We're no, And multiple points of Prometheus they're basically like,

0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:15.000
<v Speaker 2>oh God did this, and it's like, you're a goddamn biologist.

0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:17.160
<v Speaker 2>What the hell are you talking about?

0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:17.919
<v Speaker 4>Hi?

0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:26.200
<v Speaker 3>Mike, Hello, Hi, we're furious over here about uh Prometheus.

0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:31.399
<v Speaker 3>I'm really sorry to hear that. Yeah, thanks for doing

0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:33.600
<v Speaker 3>the show, Yeah, thanks for having me. Are you an

0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:36.079
<v Speaker 3>alien fan Aliens in general?

0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:40.919
<v Speaker 5>Yes, the alien movies and stories specifically, I've seen some,

0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:43.519
<v Speaker 5>and I would say I have enjoyed.

0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:47.480
<v Speaker 3>But if you're an Aliens fan, then you are. Then

0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.960
<v Speaker 3>maybe I'm not one. I'm not, but I just know

0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:52.280
<v Speaker 3>too much about this ship.

0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:56.919
<v Speaker 5>That's that's very interesting to know a lot about something

0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:58.400
<v Speaker 5>that you're not a fan of.

0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:02.000
<v Speaker 4>Really, I got, I got. Really, people are really bad.

0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.280
<v Speaker 2>At me over the things I said about Alien on

0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.520
<v Speaker 2>the last promo clip these guys put out.

0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:09.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, was pissed.

0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:13.800
<v Speaker 3>Because I wasn't our point just that they're not a

0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:17.000
<v Speaker 3>good weapon, they're not the perfect killing machine.

0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:19.760
<v Speaker 2>My point, the point that I thought was being made,

0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:23.000
<v Speaker 2>was the freaks in the Alien movies who are like,

0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.919
<v Speaker 2>what a what an amazing organism? Those guys are wrong.

0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:28.359
<v Speaker 2>That was my point.

0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:31.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm sorry you God for that.

0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.200
<v Speaker 4>I liked it. Is it?

0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:36.240
<v Speaker 5>Is it possible that when you try to make a

0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:39.640
<v Speaker 5>nuanced point on the Internet there might be some people

0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:44.600
<v Speaker 5>who respond as though they don't understand the exact nuanced

0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:45.640
<v Speaker 5>point you're trying to make.

0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:47.840
<v Speaker 4>Is that to you?

0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:53.440
<v Speaker 3>It's definitely a theory. You're good and they're bad. I

0:03:53.440 --> 0:04:04.920
<v Speaker 3>get it, Yet I can't be that. Hello the Internet,

0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:08.600
<v Speaker 3>and welcome to season four to fourteen, episode three.

0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:10.360
<v Speaker 4>Of Dirty Zi Guys Job.

0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:13.160
<v Speaker 3>There's a production of Iheartradios, the podcast where we take

0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:16.600
<v Speaker 3>a deep dove into American share consciousness, and it is Wednesday,

0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.839
<v Speaker 3>November twelfth, twenty twenty five. My name is Jack O'Brien

0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:25.240
<v Speaker 3>aka Potatoes O'Brien, and I'm thrilled to be joined in

0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:28.400
<v Speaker 3>our second seat today by today's special guest co host,

0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:31.560
<v Speaker 3>a hilarious and brilliant producer and TV writer. You know

0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:34.840
<v Speaker 3>him from the US This racist podcast, a new star

0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:38.560
<v Speaker 3>Trek podcast that I'm thinking he'll probably tell us about.

0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:39.840
<v Speaker 4>It's Andrew D.

0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:43.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm guessing he's contractually obligated.

0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.599
<v Speaker 4>I forgot to doing AKAA come up with one.

0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:50.880
<v Speaker 2>But I'm just very clearly I am the way to

0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:55.480
<v Speaker 2>obsessed with alien biology, alien of all kinds. So that's right.

0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:57.680
<v Speaker 2>The fucking scientist is in the house. What's up, my

0:04:57.760 --> 0:04:59.120
<v Speaker 2>the fake scientist is here.

0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:04.919
<v Speaker 3>That's rightationist scientists. Andrew T. Andrew wre thrilled to be

0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.919
<v Speaker 3>joined by a very funny comedian who you've seen on

0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:11.239
<v Speaker 3>basically every TV show that has ever featured stand up comedy.

0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:13.640
<v Speaker 3>Doing stand up comedy is a very funny stand up.

0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:16.960
<v Speaker 3>His newest special is out next week on YouTube. His

0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:20.160
<v Speaker 3>two podcasts are The Faucet and Broccoli and ice Cream.

0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:26.000
<v Speaker 3>Please welcome Mike Capwa. So happy to be here.

0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:29.599
<v Speaker 5>Mike Kaplan AKA, a guy whose last album that came

0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:33.479
<v Speaker 5>out was called Aka, and a guy who will point

0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:37.239
<v Speaker 5>out that Andrew T and Aliens have the exact same

0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:41.599
<v Speaker 5>vowels in that A and I and an E, so

0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:43.440
<v Speaker 5>we're not so different.

0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:44.560
<v Speaker 4>You and Aliens.

0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.640
<v Speaker 3>That's right. Yeah, thanks so much for having me a

0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:51.240
<v Speaker 3>pleasure to thank you for being here, an amazing I

0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:54.360
<v Speaker 3>for the vowels and people's gimes.

0:05:54.480 --> 0:06:02.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, vowel expert, that's right, you know all five.

0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:07.640
<v Speaker 5>And sometimes and even sometimes doub you in certain situations.

0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:09.840
<v Speaker 4>Why how come single you gets to.

0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:13.680
<v Speaker 5>Be a vowel all the time, but double the single vowel.

0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:17.400
<v Speaker 5>I'm coming here to ask questions that no one cares about.

0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:23.599
<v Speaker 3>So real wants to answer because no one cares to answer.

0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:26.839
<v Speaker 5>Some comedians say the things that everyone's afraid to say.

0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.960
<v Speaker 5>I say the thing that everyone it's similar, but for

0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:30.880
<v Speaker 5>a different reason.

0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:33.880
<v Speaker 3>They're afraid of what it would do to their career.

0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:39.120
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes a vowel is that.

0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:42.960
<v Speaker 5>In the English language, not so much, but in other

0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:46.720
<v Speaker 5>languages sometimes here's the way that I did. I studied

0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:51.640
<v Speaker 5>linguistics in college and all such fu. Yes, so the

0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:55.159
<v Speaker 5>way that why is sometimes a vowel is that it's

0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.240
<v Speaker 5>basically the same as the letter I or the E

0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:02.440
<v Speaker 5>sound in consonant position. So you know, if the word

0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.279
<v Speaker 5>starts with A with a y, it's as if you

0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:08.159
<v Speaker 5>just said e, like yes is yes?

0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:09.600
<v Speaker 4>You just say yes?

0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.160
<v Speaker 3>It is like an E and anything that starts with a.

0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:19.120
<v Speaker 5>Exactly, and it is basically the same when anything starts

0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.720
<v Speaker 5>with A with a sound, with a W sound, it's

0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:24.960
<v Speaker 5>basically you're starting with an ooh, you know, like like

0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:27.320
<v Speaker 5>what are we talking about? What are we talking about?

0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:32.560
<v Speaker 5>You know, So it is as much theoretically as much.

0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:36.000
<v Speaker 5>But for whatever reason, you know, we put why's in

0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:39.120
<v Speaker 5>vowel positions sometimes like in a tryst or a myth.

0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:41.680
<v Speaker 5>You know, the the why is the only vowel. I

0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:44.520
<v Speaker 5>don't know if there are any. Here here's the place

0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:46.720
<v Speaker 5>I figured it out as I was talking about it.

0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:50.040
<v Speaker 5>Here's the one place in the English language at least

0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:54.120
<v Speaker 5>where W acts as a vowel, no other vowels in

0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:56.960
<v Speaker 5>the word, and it is the verd P W N

0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:03.160
<v Speaker 5>pone and our consonants W. I just anyone thought that

0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:06.120
<v Speaker 5>I couldn't name it, you just got poned.

0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:08.320
<v Speaker 2>I was going to say, if you're a graphic designer

0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:09.440
<v Speaker 2>from the mid two thousands.

0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:10.800
<v Speaker 4>V is also a vowel.

0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:13.880
<v Speaker 3>Just you know, that makes a lot of sense because

0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:15.080
<v Speaker 3>V is for vowel.

0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:16.080
<v Speaker 4>Looks like you.

0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:24.520
<v Speaker 3>Rules such a such a great about universe of information that.

0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:27.800
<v Speaker 5>We've just you guys talk about the zeitgeist. But I'm like,

0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:29.520
<v Speaker 5>we're gonna do my zeitgeist.

0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:34.080
<v Speaker 3>Okay, the Kathlin Zeitgeist. We're going to get to know

0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:35.480
<v Speaker 3>you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're

0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:36.880
<v Speaker 3>going to tell the listeners a couple of things we're

0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:40.240
<v Speaker 3>talking about. We've got a broad theory that I'm working

0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:43.679
<v Speaker 3>on on that, like, as billionaires and people in the

0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:47.160
<v Speaker 3>Trump administration become more and more isolated, we're just getting

0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:50.960
<v Speaker 3>like a more and more entertaining look at what the

0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.640
<v Speaker 3>inside of their brains look like, like what every everybody

0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:58.600
<v Speaker 3>thinks is cool. We got Jeff Bezos entering some like

0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:02.720
<v Speaker 3>stadium and on PEP rally through a laser tube flanked

0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:08.040
<v Speaker 3>by late saber wielding guards. And then more importantly, Joyce

0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:12.840
<v Speaker 3>Carol Oates telling Elon Musk who he was on Twitter

0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:15.760
<v Speaker 3>and him like, we're having a really hard time dealing

0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:18.040
<v Speaker 3>with that. So we'll talk about that. It's a little

0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:22.240
<v Speaker 3>update to the new Emperor has Emperor's New Clothes era

0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:24.400
<v Speaker 3>that we're living in. We're also going to talk about

0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:28.400
<v Speaker 3>Target is forcing employees to smile, and they have new

0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.480
<v Speaker 3>rules around this, like with if you're within ten feet,

0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:33.679
<v Speaker 3>you have to do this, if you're within four feet

0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.880
<v Speaker 3>you have to do this. And I think it's good. No,

0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:39.559
<v Speaker 3>I think I think it sounds terrifying. And I want

0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:43.360
<v Speaker 3>to just talk about the phenomenon of the artificial smile

0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:47.559
<v Speaker 3>because it's been exported from America to other countries with

0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:53.720
<v Speaker 3>varying degrees of damage and like surreal weirdness, all that

0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:55.960
<v Speaker 3>plenty more. But first, Mike, we do like to ask

0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:59.640
<v Speaker 3>our guests, what is something from your search history that's

0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:00.520
<v Speaker 3>revealing about.

0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:00.839
<v Speaker 4>Who you are?

0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:06.199
<v Speaker 5>Sure I in preparation for this, I opened up Google

0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:10.160
<v Speaker 5>dot com and I'll tell you, Uh the here's the

0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:13.000
<v Speaker 5>the first several things stop me anytime.

0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:13.480
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:18.400
<v Speaker 5>The most recent thing that I searched was literally my

0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:22.680
<v Speaker 5>own album A K. A. Because I wanted to get

0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:25.280
<v Speaker 5>a link for it to put in a newsletter where

0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:26.160
<v Speaker 5>I was mentioning it.

0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:29.760
<v Speaker 3>Uh So, look into my head is like, what's in there?

0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:35.040
<v Speaker 5>Me? But next up is uh, Pips New York Times,

0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:37.440
<v Speaker 5>the new game. I don't know if you guys are

0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:40.000
<v Speaker 5>familiar with the new game Pips in the New York

0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:43.000
<v Speaker 5>Times suite of app uh, you know the game app

0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:46.599
<v Speaker 5>games that feature like Wordle and spelling Bee, Pips is

0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:50.360
<v Speaker 5>a new one. Like Pips refers to the dots on dominoes,

0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:51.839
<v Speaker 5>and so it's like it's like a.

0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:55.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like ken Ken but with dominoes.

0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:59.280
<v Speaker 5>So it's like or like Sudoku but with math, but

0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:03.320
<v Speaker 5>with domino So that's a fun game that every every

0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:08.120
<v Speaker 5>midnight a new one becomes available. And my girlfriend Renie

0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:11.080
<v Speaker 5>and I went out. If we're you know whatever, we're

0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:14.480
<v Speaker 5>re usually watching something and one of us will note, oh,

0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:17.880
<v Speaker 5>it's Pips time, so we'll pause, and I will. For

0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:20.080
<v Speaker 5>whatever reason, I don't just go into the app. I

0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:24.040
<v Speaker 5>just go into Google and search. It autocompletes Pips New

0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:27.320
<v Speaker 5>York Times, So that is that is there. Then I

0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:33.000
<v Speaker 5>put in Panda Kitchen Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania, which is a restaurant

0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:39.080
<v Speaker 5>indoors my mom and I we live. My mom lives

0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:41.200
<v Speaker 5>in New Jersey. I live in New York City. We

0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:44.760
<v Speaker 5>both love the comedian Paul Riser. His special was the

0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:46.920
<v Speaker 5>first one I ever saw when I was thirteen and

0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:50.120
<v Speaker 5>nineteen ninety one, we saw him lie I opened for him.

0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:53.440
<v Speaker 4>I know from a right that makes sense.

0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:56.800
<v Speaker 5>Of course, it's all connected, but his I mean, he's

0:11:56.840 --> 0:12:00.560
<v Speaker 5>been in whiplash, he's been in stranger things, and the

0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:04.200
<v Speaker 5>boys like his acting career is really thriving, and his

0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.199
<v Speaker 5>stand up has been solid for as long as he

0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:07.640
<v Speaker 5>been doing.

0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:08.679
<v Speaker 3>He's wonderful.

0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.600
<v Speaker 5>Saw him live a couple of years ago, and my

0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:14.719
<v Speaker 5>mom and I were driving with our partners to go

0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.079
<v Speaker 5>see him in Pennsylvania, just like an hour and a

0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:20.280
<v Speaker 5>half away, and my mom I was tasked with locating

0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:23.680
<v Speaker 5>a restaurant where I, a vegan and my girlfriend, a

0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:27.520
<v Speaker 5>vegan who is allergic to gluten, can eat in Pennsylvania.

0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:33.160
<v Speaker 5>In that place turns out to maybe be Panda Kitchen, Stroudsburg.

0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:33.800
<v Speaker 3>It is.

0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:37.800
<v Speaker 5>I also looked up Nicki Glazer's SNL monologue. She is

0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:41.280
<v Speaker 5>a friend who I love, and I was so excited

0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:41.800
<v Speaker 5>to see.

0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:42.880
<v Speaker 4>Her on there.

0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:47.760
<v Speaker 5>And then also House of Dynamite White House Press Lady,

0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:51.360
<v Speaker 5>because my girlfriend Reenie and I watched House of Dynamite

0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:55.360
<v Speaker 5>on Netflix last night and she was like, I recognize

0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:57.440
<v Speaker 5>that person. Where else do we know her from? And

0:12:57.480 --> 0:12:59.960
<v Speaker 5>so I looked her up and found out where we

0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:00.560
<v Speaker 5>knew her from.

0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:03.000
<v Speaker 3>Do you do the guessing? She like, don't tell me yet,

0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:04.840
<v Speaker 3>don't tell me she.

0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:10.440
<v Speaker 5>Is was incredible. She is amazing at like even just

0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:12.880
<v Speaker 5>if it's the eye. Like we were watching the Superman

0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.760
<v Speaker 5>movie a week or two ago and she had never

0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:17.720
<v Speaker 5>I saw it in the theater and I did not

0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:20.920
<v Speaker 5>recognize this guy. But she's like, is that bald guy Hank?

0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:24.319
<v Speaker 5>And at first I was like lex Luthor Hank from

0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:28.400
<v Speaker 5>Breaking Bad. No, not at all, but bald, the bald

0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:32.120
<v Speaker 5>guy who was the element man. Uh, you know, the

0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.000
<v Speaker 5>guy who could change part of his body into crypt

0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.760
<v Speaker 5>kryptonnight and such. He is the same guy who played

0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:43.240
<v Speaker 5>Hank No Ho Hank in Barry Yes, so much makeup

0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:47.360
<v Speaker 5>on Even when she said was, I was like, I

0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:53.359
<v Speaker 5>still almost don't see it. Reney has incredible powers of observation.

0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:57.040
<v Speaker 3>Friends with that guy, the guy who plays no Hoo Hank.

0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:00.200
<v Speaker 3>He's like a you know, family friends through and I

0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:04.760
<v Speaker 3>didn't know he was said, that's how deep he is

0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:05.480
<v Speaker 3>under makeup.

0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:07.080
<v Speaker 4>He's so incredible.

0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:09.720
<v Speaker 5>No Hohank character is so he's like one of my

0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:14.720
<v Speaker 5>favorite Greeings, my favorite characters in any any already so fun.

0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:17.360
<v Speaker 5>So tell tell your family to tell his family to

0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.040
<v Speaker 5>tell him that I like it.

0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:23.720
<v Speaker 2>Yes, well, wait, Mike, going back real quick, not real quick,

0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:27.040
<v Speaker 2>to the to the vegan and Chinese restaurant thing. And

0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:28.640
<v Speaker 2>this this might be a thing you already know, but

0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:30.720
<v Speaker 2>it's a thing that I was told when I went

0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:32.880
<v Speaker 2>to Asia that I really liked. Which is that for

0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.360
<v Speaker 2>in Asia, especially in China, where they do have a

0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:38.560
<v Speaker 2>lot of trouble, like really really really understanding, Like no,

0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.280
<v Speaker 2>I seriously don't want any meat in this for real.

0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:44.720
<v Speaker 4>You can tell people you're Buddhist.

0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:49.680
<v Speaker 5>Ah, and that's I am more Buddhist than many people. Yes,

0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:53.000
<v Speaker 5>though here's here's how a Buddhist I am. Like, I

0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:56.200
<v Speaker 5>don't want to say that I am one, because previously

0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:59.080
<v Speaker 5>I would have said Buddhist as well, like a chump,

0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:00.800
<v Speaker 5>you know, like a chump.

0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:02.920
<v Speaker 4>But I love I've read a lot.

0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:04.640
<v Speaker 5>I have a good friend who is a practicing Buddhist

0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:07.000
<v Speaker 5>who's taken you know, layperson vows like I have not

0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.240
<v Speaker 5>taken the vows myself. I would not claim to be

0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:11.720
<v Speaker 5>a Buddhist because I'm worried that people would say, oh,

0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:12.440
<v Speaker 5>you're a Buddhist.

0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:16.440
<v Speaker 3>Name three of their albums. Yeah, I do love you know.

0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:18.280
<v Speaker 5>I've read a lot of Tick not Han and pay

0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:21.560
<v Speaker 5>my show Drum and Uh, Suzuki Roshi one of my

0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:24.880
<v Speaker 5>you know favorite like you know, teachers. And I have

0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:27.120
<v Speaker 5>this book of things that he has said that his

0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:29.800
<v Speaker 5>like students have reported, and one of them he said,

0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:33.880
<v Speaker 5>he said, Uh, for a non Buddhist, there are non

0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:38.280
<v Speaker 5>Buddhists and Buddhists, but for a Buddhist, everyone is a Buddhist,

0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:42.520
<v Speaker 5>including bugs, you know, just like we're all We're all

0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:44.360
<v Speaker 5>in this together, even the bugs.

0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:46.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm realizing as you say this, because because I was

0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.240
<v Speaker 2>told this advice and I'm not vegan, but it was

0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:51.160
<v Speaker 2>just given to I was on like a trip in

0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:53.400
<v Speaker 2>college and dah dah dah, and this was given to

0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:55.760
<v Speaker 2>a white person who was a vegetarian who was having

0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:57.520
<v Speaker 2>trouble not getting pork in their stuff.

0:15:58.280 --> 0:15:59.240
<v Speaker 4>And I'm realizing.

0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:01.440
<v Speaker 2>I think the choral to that is, if you're a

0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:03.320
<v Speaker 2>white person who says you're a Buddhist, you're not going

0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:05.680
<v Speaker 2>to get follow up questions, but they'll still serve you

0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.000
<v Speaker 2>vegan stuff. Because they will kind of roll their eyes

0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:11.560
<v Speaker 2>and be like, Okay, we get what they want, right, Yeah.

0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:15.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, appreciate it. I'll share one one more plug for

0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:19.400
<v Speaker 5>a Buddhist teacher who began life as a and continued

0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:22.040
<v Speaker 5>life as a Jewish woman, a culturally Jewish woman at least,

0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:25.040
<v Speaker 5>named Sylvia Borstein. And she has a book that I

0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:31.000
<v Speaker 5>believe is entitled That's Funny You don't look Buddhist so perfect?

0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:32.080
<v Speaker 4>That's the perfect.

0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:35.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, amazing, But thank you, thank you for the tip.

0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:38.720
<v Speaker 3>I will use it. Mike, what's something you think is underrated?

0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:42.960
<v Speaker 5>So under I know that I saw I remember that

0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:45.920
<v Speaker 5>this question was going to be coming. I have a

0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:48.960
<v Speaker 5>few answers. My first answer is a thing that I

0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:51.120
<v Speaker 5>love that I feel like it's so interesting to talk

0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:53.520
<v Speaker 5>about things as overrated and underrated when I feel like

0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:57.680
<v Speaker 5>all of these things are relative. Where, you know, especially today,

0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:01.080
<v Speaker 5>when your algorithm will you know, prop gate and perpetuate

0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:03.800
<v Speaker 5>the things that you like or that maybe you don't

0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:06.760
<v Speaker 5>even know that you are clicking on and engaging with.

0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:09.399
<v Speaker 5>And you say to somebody like, why is my computer

0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:11.760
<v Speaker 5>why does my phone keep showing me this? It's like, well,

0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.720
<v Speaker 5>because of you, you know, you have revealed something about

0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:18.159
<v Speaker 5>yourself and there's less of a monoculture today. So, like,

0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:22.320
<v Speaker 5>I mean, one answer that I would say for myself personally,

0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:26.720
<v Speaker 5>I love advice columns, and I think that most people

0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:30.480
<v Speaker 5>don't think about, or care about, or read or engage

0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:33.639
<v Speaker 5>with advice columns or podcasts as much as I do.

0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:34.280
<v Speaker 4>We're out there.

0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm not the only one. I'm not innovating it.

0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:40.440
<v Speaker 5>But I think, based on my tastes, I love advice

0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:44.160
<v Speaker 5>columns and would love to and think that they are

0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:46.600
<v Speaker 5>thus because of that underrated.

0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:51.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're definitely having a resurgence of the podcast space,

0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:55.480
<v Speaker 3>Like it is a type like a format that has

0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:59.200
<v Speaker 3>been coming back, I think because it's a way to

0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:04.000
<v Speaker 3>engage with other people that isn't the news, you know,

0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:06.520
<v Speaker 3>like that which people are just like, ah, I want

0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:09.960
<v Speaker 3>to hear about like messy drama that like isn't about

0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:12.800
<v Speaker 3>the fact that the world is dying, And so yeah,

0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:16.560
<v Speaker 3>let me hear about the politics of your workplace, you

0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:17.120
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean?

0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:20.440
<v Speaker 5>And oh absolutely, And there's some that are so specific

0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:22.919
<v Speaker 5>like specifically with the politics of workplace, Like there's a

0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:25.639
<v Speaker 5>podcast I think she used to have a podcast, but

0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:29.159
<v Speaker 5>definitely has a column Alison Green, and her column is

0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:31.679
<v Speaker 5>called ask a Manager, and like, I'm not even I

0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:33.840
<v Speaker 5>don't work in a quote unquote workplace.

0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.560
<v Speaker 3>You know, I don't have HR. I don't have you know,

0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:38.359
<v Speaker 3>a boss and a grand boss.

0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:41.560
<v Speaker 5>And yet ultimately, at the at the root, all of

0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:45.160
<v Speaker 5>these questions are like, you know, questions about guidelines of

0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:48.440
<v Speaker 5>how to live as a human being, how to get

0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:52.320
<v Speaker 5>along with other people, Like there's you know, relationships, It's

0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:56.320
<v Speaker 5>all very human and relatable. Even if the question is like,

0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:59.000
<v Speaker 5>you know, my boss did this specific thing, shouldn't I

0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:01.000
<v Speaker 5>get paid more for? Like I know, one of the

0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:04.199
<v Speaker 5>questions we address later. Oh also, just real quick, do

0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:05.840
<v Speaker 5>you think that I know we're going to get into

0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:08.879
<v Speaker 5>this later. Do you think that Jeff Bezos is following

0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:12.120
<v Speaker 5>the target model of like, hey, everyone, when I come

0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:16.560
<v Speaker 5>out surrounded by lightsabers, smile if you're within one million

0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:18.760
<v Speaker 5>miles of me, smile.

0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.399
<v Speaker 3>Or is he like look scared.

0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:23.520
<v Speaker 4>Before me?

0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:26.720
<v Speaker 3>Because the way, like everything I've heard about Amazon, like

0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:30.880
<v Speaker 3>being an Amazon executive, is that people are openly crying

0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:34.920
<v Speaker 3>in their offices, like because of how like brutal it

0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:37.119
<v Speaker 3>is to work there, like at the high level, not

0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:40.359
<v Speaker 3>just like on the you know, factory floors. So I

0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:43.800
<v Speaker 3>wonder if he has like a different kink where he's like,

0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:45.399
<v Speaker 3>you better not smile.

0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:49.920
<v Speaker 2>What is that he is knowing which side? I bet

0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:52.840
<v Speaker 2>he makes no rules. It's just like everyone who doesn't

0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.439
<v Speaker 2>do what he already wants get gets a little fired.

0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:58.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, people get fired so quick at Amazon, a little fired.

0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:01.280
<v Speaker 3>That's but yes, it felt the columns.

0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:03.879
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean, I just think that we all, you know,

0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:07.440
<v Speaker 5>in life, at various points, are trying to figure out

0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:10.439
<v Speaker 5>what to do in you know, in general or in

0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:13.560
<v Speaker 5>specific situations. You know, some of us have friends that

0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:15.920
<v Speaker 5>we go to. Some of us, you know, might look

0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:20.199
<v Speaker 5>to various community enterprises you're a part of, be it

0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:24.200
<v Speaker 5>you know, a religious affiliation or you know, just your

0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:27.199
<v Speaker 5>your group text or what have you. And yeah, I

0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:29.000
<v Speaker 5>think and I'm not saying that I get all of

0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:31.800
<v Speaker 5>my how I live my life from advice coms. I

0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:34.840
<v Speaker 5>just I do love. There's some element also of sometimes

0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:38.520
<v Speaker 5>a person writing in is the unbeknownst to them, villain

0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:40.840
<v Speaker 5>of the story, you know, the the am I the

0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:44.560
<v Speaker 5>asshole without realizing that they might in fact be the asshole.

0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:48.119
<v Speaker 5>And sometimes to see, you know, a person who is

0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:53.840
<v Speaker 5>the wronging party, the more harmful person in a situation complaining,

0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:56.560
<v Speaker 5>you know, the the one percent being like, hey, the

0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:59.919
<v Speaker 5>ninety nine percent has taken one percent of my one percent,

0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:02.959
<v Speaker 5>you know, in my mind, like what what can I

0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:05.439
<v Speaker 5>do about this? And to see you know, come up

0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:09.200
<v Speaker 5>and delivered or just you know, a deliver it's just yeah,

0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:12.879
<v Speaker 5>it's there, can be, it could be. I have to

0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:15.920
<v Speaker 5>be careful because I don't want to just slide down

0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:20.960
<v Speaker 5>into a realm of judgment. Because I want everyone to

0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:25.680
<v Speaker 5>live their their best, happiest, most productive, you know, most peaceful,

0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:31.160
<v Speaker 5>healthy life. And you know, sometimes for me that involves

0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:36.200
<v Speaker 5>a little bit of schadenfreude, but I'm much more I'm

0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:39.359
<v Speaker 5>much more into freuden freude, which is taking joy in

0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:43.080
<v Speaker 5>other people's joy, which is I like to see when

0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:47.200
<v Speaker 5>people figure out what to do and learn and improve

0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:51.320
<v Speaker 5>and atone and make amends. So yeah, advice columns like

0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:52.960
<v Speaker 5>you don't all you don't have to be into them,

0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:58.240
<v Speaker 5>but I I'm not advising anyone, but I advise myself

0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:00.600
<v Speaker 5>to continue enjoying advice columns.

0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:02.960
<v Speaker 3>The underrated answer to your question.

0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:05.920
<v Speaker 2>And that's like the best advice columns do. It's not

0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:08.480
<v Speaker 2>the specific advice right, it's like the train of thought.

0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:11.159
<v Speaker 2>I feel like the best advice columnists can even just

0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:12.879
<v Speaker 2>get to the point where like I might be wrong,

0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:15.240
<v Speaker 2>but right and then.

0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:17.679
<v Speaker 5>Oh absolutely, I mean my I feel like the for

0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:20.720
<v Speaker 5>many people, like the OG advice columnists were Dear Abby

0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:22.960
<v Speaker 5>and Anne Landers, and so certainly I did read them

0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:25.000
<v Speaker 5>growing up, but at a certain point, I feel like

0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:28.200
<v Speaker 5>there's so many people occupying the space. Like Dan Savage

0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:32.120
<v Speaker 5>was my first like advice columnist who I loved reading

0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:33.960
<v Speaker 5>as like I think I found him in college and

0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:35.280
<v Speaker 5>so I've been reading him for you know, two and

0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:37.840
<v Speaker 5>a half decades and listening to his podcast. And he

0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:40.840
<v Speaker 5>brings on experts when the question. If the question is

0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:43.919
<v Speaker 5>about something relating to drag, he'll bring on, you know,

0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:46.520
<v Speaker 5>a drag performer. If it's about trans rights, he will

0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:48.719
<v Speaker 5>bring on a trans guest. If it's about you know,

0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:51.360
<v Speaker 5>racial issues, I don't know, like Andrew, have you been

0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:54.000
<v Speaker 5>on the show, Yeah, yeah, yeah, But I feel like,

0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:57.320
<v Speaker 5>you know, he'll bring on people who have expertise in

0:22:57.400 --> 0:22:59.760
<v Speaker 5>a thing. If it's like he's like, I'm a white person,

0:22:59.880 --> 0:23:01.760
<v Speaker 5>I'm a man, this is the question.

0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:04.040
<v Speaker 4>About, you know, not my lane.

0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:05.800
<v Speaker 5>I'm going to bring somebody in whose lane it is

0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:08.679
<v Speaker 5>so and there's just some people who have expertise and

0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:11.600
<v Speaker 5>like are really like adults in that they've put in

0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:15.280
<v Speaker 5>the time and work and effort, and so it's a

0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:17.840
<v Speaker 5>really it's a really cool thing. And then every once

0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:20.359
<v Speaker 5>in a while, like there will be obviously sometimes the

0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:22.960
<v Speaker 5>advice will apply. Like I remember, I don't remember who

0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:24.640
<v Speaker 5>the guest was, but I was listening to the Dear

0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:28.200
<v Speaker 5>Prudence podcast, uh several years ago, and this is I've

0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:31.800
<v Speaker 5>seen this other places other times, but they offered this idea,

0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:37.040
<v Speaker 5>which is just never compare your insides to someone else's outsides.

0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:40.119
<v Speaker 5>If you know, if you're looking at somebody's social media

0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:42.320
<v Speaker 5>feed and be like, wow, why are they why is

0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:45.840
<v Speaker 5>everyone happy except for me? Well, because you're looking at

0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:49.720
<v Speaker 5>the photos that they took one thousand shots to get

0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:52.960
<v Speaker 5>the right one, and you're comparing it to your like,

0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:54.800
<v Speaker 5>you don't know every time they were like, damn it

0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:57.120
<v Speaker 5>didn't get that one, Damn it didn't get that one.

0:23:57.040 --> 0:24:00.119
<v Speaker 3>Just standing there, smile on their face, going checking this thing,

0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:02.760
<v Speaker 3>stone faced, going back, smile on their face, going back,

0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:03.920
<v Speaker 3>checking the stone face.

0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:07.840
<v Speaker 5>They're doing the target thing to themselves. They're like, okay, smile,

0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:09.920
<v Speaker 5>we're in four feet of this bone.

0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:12.360
<v Speaker 4>Smile. You can do it. Let's get it.

0:24:12.480 --> 0:24:15.800
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, we know, we know our cockpit, you know,

0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:19.720
<v Speaker 5>we see every dial and lever and button and you know,

0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:22.560
<v Speaker 5>emergency light. But for everyone else, it's just the outside

0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:24.199
<v Speaker 5>of the plane or like that plane looks like it

0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:25.040
<v Speaker 5>knows what it's doing.

0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:28.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a fighter jet. Look at that thing. Wow,

0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:30.040
<v Speaker 3>I'm a lover, not a fighter jet.

0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:33.320
<v Speaker 2>But you know, also alternately, if you're a jet, if

0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:35.159
<v Speaker 2>you're a listen you're probably not listening to this if

0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:36.919
<v Speaker 2>you're this kind of person. But if you have the

0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:39.840
<v Speaker 2>exact opposite personality as Mike, you can also find advice

0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:40.919
<v Speaker 2>columns that just tell.

0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:43.320
<v Speaker 4>You women are the problems for all your problems. So

0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:45.880
<v Speaker 4>that is also available, also available.

0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:48.840
<v Speaker 5>It is an art form like many others, like I'm

0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:51.399
<v Speaker 5>a stand up comedian, and stand up comedy is not

0:24:51.480 --> 0:24:55.440
<v Speaker 5>a monolith. Obviously, you can find people, you know. There's

0:24:55.800 --> 0:24:59.679
<v Speaker 5>obviously the alt right comedy verse, which is, uh, you know,

0:24:59.680 --> 0:25:02.439
<v Speaker 5>who's the force is strong with them these days, you know,

0:25:02.600 --> 0:25:06.800
<v Speaker 5>the Darth Sith lords of comedy. But then there's also,

0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:10.120
<v Speaker 5>of course, you're you're Maria Bamford's and a Parnaan Surla's

0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:14.240
<v Speaker 5>and Tig Nataro's and Sarah Silverman's, you know, the kindness

0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:18.000
<v Speaker 5>bosses of comedy, you know, the self reflective you know,

0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:22.520
<v Speaker 5>discussing their own mental health and how we can all sincerely,

0:25:22.560 --> 0:25:26.640
<v Speaker 5>I mean humorously, like hilariously address things, you know, from

0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:30.600
<v Speaker 5>the inside. The people who are worried about having imposter

0:25:30.800 --> 0:25:34.520
<v Speaker 5>syndrome who shouldn't have that where versus the people who

0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:38.440
<v Speaker 5>don't have that worry who could stand to wonder if

0:25:38.440 --> 0:25:39.080
<v Speaker 5>they have it?

0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:39.800
<v Speaker 4>Possibly?

0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:43.280
<v Speaker 5>But yes, and advice columnists are I'm sure no different,

0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:46.560
<v Speaker 5>certainly there if you want, I bet there are some

0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:49.920
<v Speaker 5>alt right podcast advice columns out there as well.

0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:53.480
<v Speaker 3>I myself have not stumbled across them yet.

0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:56.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, the thing that needs to be like distributed

0:25:56.840 --> 0:25:59.800
<v Speaker 2>more than even money, I feel, is self doubt. We

0:25:59.880 --> 0:26:02.520
<v Speaker 2>just need If we had an evening distribution of self

0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:06.240
<v Speaker 2>doubt in the world, it would be everything so much better.

0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:09.600
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know, there's this, there's this absolutely there's this

0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:13.560
<v Speaker 5>thing that I love from the Talmud, which is, you know,

0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:16.920
<v Speaker 5>collection of Jewish teachings and wisdom and what rabbis said

0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:19.600
<v Speaker 5>about what other rabbis said, and there's this one thing

0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:21.120
<v Speaker 5>in it where a rabbi says, I have a piece

0:26:21.160 --> 0:26:24.159
<v Speaker 5>of paper in my pocket that says this world was

0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:25.960
<v Speaker 5>created for you. And I have a piece of paper

0:26:26.000 --> 0:26:28.119
<v Speaker 5>in my other pocket that says you are nothing but

0:26:28.200 --> 0:26:31.120
<v Speaker 5>ash and dust, and so this world was created for you.

0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:33.520
<v Speaker 5>You're nothing but ash and dust. Those are both true,

0:26:33.880 --> 0:26:36.640
<v Speaker 5>valuable things to remember, Like if your head gets too big,

0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:39.800
<v Speaker 5>remember you're also in the grandest scheme of the universe.

0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:42.360
<v Speaker 5>You're You're not the center of it. You're not everything.

0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:45.360
<v Speaker 5>There are other people, there are other beings, Like there

0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:48.920
<v Speaker 5>is a whole world, you know, in infinity of universe

0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:51.600
<v Speaker 5>that you were not a part of until you were

0:26:51.600 --> 0:26:54.040
<v Speaker 5>born and won't be a part of for another billions

0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:54.520
<v Speaker 5>of years.

0:26:54.680 --> 0:26:55.040
<v Speaker 4>You are.

0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:57.920
<v Speaker 3>If you think you're everything, maybe consider that you might

0:26:57.960 --> 0:26:59.760
<v Speaker 3>be also a little bit closer to nothing.

0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:02.520
<v Speaker 5>Whereas if you grow up and have the messages given

0:27:02.560 --> 0:27:04.840
<v Speaker 5>you you are nothing. You are not worthwhile to be like, well,

0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:06.800
<v Speaker 5>this world was created for you. You are the center

0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:10.840
<v Speaker 5>of your own conscious experience. You deserve to be heard

0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:12.679
<v Speaker 5>if you like you know. I don't mean to not

0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:14.960
<v Speaker 5>to make this only about gender, but certainly people in

0:27:15.000 --> 0:27:21.679
<v Speaker 5>our society, socialized as women, girls, female people in our society.

0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:24.639
<v Speaker 5>You know, the the the ideas like, oh, you know,

0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:28.040
<v Speaker 5>you're you're rewarded for being quiet, for acquiescing, for going along,

0:27:28.160 --> 0:27:31.880
<v Speaker 5>for listening, for not taking up too much space, whereas

0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:35.000
<v Speaker 5>you know, little boys and men and boys to men of.

0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:40.560
<v Speaker 3>Course are our talk. Yes exactly, not boys to men.

0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:43.680
<v Speaker 5>But you know, the especially and it's not only I'm

0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:45.440
<v Speaker 5>sure it's every privileged group.

0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:47.160
<v Speaker 3>It's not just men. It's also white people.

0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:49.720
<v Speaker 5>It's also straight people, it's also able bodied people, it's

0:27:49.760 --> 0:27:54.000
<v Speaker 5>also cisgender people. You know, when you are the majority

0:27:54.160 --> 0:27:58.560
<v Speaker 5>or the salient appearance in society, like for myself, I

0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:02.240
<v Speaker 5>am many of those things. You know, I am straight, cis, white,

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:06.760
<v Speaker 5>able bodied, you know, an American citizen from birth. You know,

0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:10.159
<v Speaker 5>I have many privileges that I wasn't aware of until

0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:13.120
<v Speaker 5>I started learning about them. And so for me, I

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:16.000
<v Speaker 5>was given growing up by my family and society. The

0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:19.760
<v Speaker 5>thumb really pressed down hard on the side of the

0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:22.520
<v Speaker 5>scale that said this world was created for you. And

0:28:22.600 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 5>so when I started doing comedy and being an adult

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:27.520
<v Speaker 5>and meeting different people and who had different perspectives, I

0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:32.199
<v Speaker 5>was like, oh, listening to other people also valuable for

0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:34.760
<v Speaker 5>its own sake to have other people be heard and

0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:39.160
<v Speaker 5>also learn more myself about experiences that are not my own.

0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:43.120
<v Speaker 5>And so yeah, if you have started your life somewhere,

0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:45.120
<v Speaker 5>or if you're at a point in your life where

0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:48.160
<v Speaker 5>you are like not heard as much, then it feels

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:52.280
<v Speaker 5>it's important for you to learn to hopefully advocate for

0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:55.080
<v Speaker 5>yourself and speak up and find people who affirm you

0:28:55.160 --> 0:28:58.440
<v Speaker 5>and value you and support and endorse and celebrate. But

0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:02.280
<v Speaker 5>for you know, for I'm a man, and there's a

0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:05.360
<v Speaker 5>lot of us out there who could stand to learn

0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:07.680
<v Speaker 5>the lesson. And not again, not just men and not

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:11.080
<v Speaker 5>all men, but yeah, the the So, if you've never

0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:13.360
<v Speaker 5>self doubted, consider self doubt.

0:29:13.880 --> 0:29:17.040
<v Speaker 4>Try it, try it, try it. You'll like it.

0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:21.960
<v Speaker 3>Maybe it's super Bowl commercial for self doubt. Got Jesus

0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:25.360
<v Speaker 3>one from the past two years. What about maybe some

0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:27.760
<v Speaker 3>self doubt. Let's let's take a quick break, we'll come back,

0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:30.240
<v Speaker 3>we'll do your overrate and get into some news.

0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:41.640
<v Speaker 4>And we're back and.

0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:43.640
<v Speaker 3>Mike, we do like task our guests, what's something you

0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:44.959
<v Speaker 3>think is overrated?

0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:49.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so, I guess my shortest answer could be sports.

0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:54.680
<v Speaker 5>But that's I understand there are many beautiful stories and

0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:58.400
<v Speaker 5>families and friendships and connections people have to it just personally,

0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 5>that's not where my I, you know, understanding and connection

0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:08.080
<v Speaker 5>to you know, to society and humanity live absolutely. But

0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:12.000
<v Speaker 5>I'll also say, sort of as a combo overrated underrated,

0:30:12.040 --> 0:30:16.200
<v Speaker 5>I would say overrated is comedy that other people like.

0:30:16.600 --> 0:30:22.880
<v Speaker 5>Underrated is comedy that you yourself like, like truly, that

0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:26.200
<v Speaker 5>is what I say with respect, like whoever it is,

0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:28.160
<v Speaker 5>whoever that because and here's the thing. It's not to

0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:31.920
<v Speaker 5>say that there's some really popular comedians who are great

0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:35.640
<v Speaker 5>and I love, and yet they're even at a certain

0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:38.640
<v Speaker 5>point like that, probably you don't stop when you're rated

0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:42.080
<v Speaker 5>exactly the right amount. Like you know, if if Kevin

0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:44.880
<v Speaker 5>Hart's your guy, like maybe you love seeing him in

0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:48.640
<v Speaker 5>every commercial, you know, but maybe you don't. And if

0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:50.680
<v Speaker 5>if Kevin Hart's not your guy, if you're like, oh,

0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:54.280
<v Speaker 5>you know, if Joe Firestones your your favorite comedian, or

0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:58.680
<v Speaker 5>Nick vaderat or Baron Vaughn or James a castor you know,

0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:02.880
<v Speaker 5>there's so many medians who certainly my mom has not

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:05.720
<v Speaker 5>heard of yet, and your mom may not have heard

0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:08.520
<v Speaker 5>of yet. And so there's I would say that's another

0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:12.280
<v Speaker 5>I guess underrated. I guess I guess what I'm saying

0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:16.200
<v Speaker 5>is overrated is talking about what's overrated. I'd rather talk

0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:20.800
<v Speaker 5>about what's underrated. You know, Yeah, so talking about the underdogs.

0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:22.720
<v Speaker 3>But I do think that's a good that's a good point.

0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:25.479
<v Speaker 3>Like I was just talking to somebody who was like,

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:27.920
<v Speaker 3>I really like, you know, I think you should leave

0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:30.840
<v Speaker 3>and the chair company and they were like, yeah, I've

0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:32.920
<v Speaker 3>been like trying to get into I think you should leave,

0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:34.760
<v Speaker 3>and like I just it never worked.

0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:38.600
<v Speaker 4>Like I watched every episode. I was like, why did

0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 4>you do that?

0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:43.280
<v Speaker 3>It's clearly it's like I was that show the very

0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:46.640
<v Speaker 3>first skit, I was like had tears pouring down my

0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:49.960
<v Speaker 3>face laughing, and the people I was on a plane

0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:52.160
<v Speaker 3>with like thought there was something wrong with me, and

0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:55.120
<v Speaker 3>like that's so just like find that for yourself, like

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:58.120
<v Speaker 3>if it's not happening, don't try and like it's not

0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:01.520
<v Speaker 3>that like somebody else is like you know, right, and

0:32:01.680 --> 0:32:04.160
<v Speaker 3>you just need to like work to get yourself. That

0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:07.320
<v Speaker 3>is just like there's something wrong with me. That's not

0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:09.000
<v Speaker 3>wrong with you or you know what I mean or

0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:11.959
<v Speaker 3>right o me? But you know, like that is just

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:13.120
<v Speaker 3>like that shape.

0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 5>If I may, my girlfriend RENI, who is that. We

0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:19.800
<v Speaker 5>have a lot in common. You know, we're not the

0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 5>exact same person, but we have similar taste in a

0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:24.640
<v Speaker 5>lot of things, like a lot of comedians that I love,

0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:27.480
<v Speaker 5>she loves, and vice versa. We're not the exact same

0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 5>but I watched I Think you Should Leave before she did,

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:32.360
<v Speaker 5>and I was going to share it with her, and

0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:35.160
<v Speaker 5>like the first episode, we turned off because she was

0:32:35.200 --> 0:32:39.200
<v Speaker 5>like too chaotic, like I can't write, I don't understand,

0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:42.600
<v Speaker 5>this is not a flavor that I need or want.

0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:49.320
<v Speaker 5>But then I shared Detroiters with her, and Detroitters she loved,

0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:52.360
<v Speaker 5>and by the end of watching all of Detroit Ter's

0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:55.720
<v Speaker 5>she was like, I think I have a greater understanding,

0:32:55.920 --> 0:33:00.239
<v Speaker 5>a greater context for like what is going on with

0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:04.080
<v Speaker 5>Tim Robinson's comedy and brain. And then we did She's

0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 5>like I think I can I get it now, and

0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:08.080
<v Speaker 5>we started watching I Think You Should Leave, and with

0:33:08.200 --> 0:33:11.600
<v Speaker 5>that context, with that framing, she loved it and loves

0:33:11.640 --> 0:33:14.640
<v Speaker 5>it and we saw friendship and we love the Chair Company.

0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:18.480
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, he is now basically invented a new flavor

0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:21.520
<v Speaker 5>that like when like when a baby tries something a

0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:24.440
<v Speaker 5>new food for the first time, it's always like yeah

0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:27.120
<v Speaker 5>and then yeah, you know, like when when it's something

0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:30.800
<v Speaker 5>is unknown, when something is mysterious, it often can be

0:33:31.240 --> 0:33:33.840
<v Speaker 5>frightening or weird or we don't get it. But then

0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:36.400
<v Speaker 5>once you're like, it doesn't mean that you don't like it,

0:33:36.480 --> 0:33:38.600
<v Speaker 5>like it just means you might need the Like when

0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:41.840
<v Speaker 5>Stephen Sondheim wrote the musical A Funny Thing Happens on

0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 5>the Way to the Forum. When it first came out,

0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:48.760
<v Speaker 5>it bombed and nobody. Apparently people didn't get that it

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:51.640
<v Speaker 5>was a comedy, so he went back and wrote a

0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:55.040
<v Speaker 5>new opening number called Comedy Tonight, which.

0:33:54.840 --> 0:34:01.280
<v Speaker 3>Basically delivered the message is idle yeah ad a sing

0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:01.800
<v Speaker 3>up front.

0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:04.760
<v Speaker 5>Maybe the original title was a thing happened on the

0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:06.720
<v Speaker 5>way to the Forum, you know, because like what, who

0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:08.440
<v Speaker 5>knows what kind of thing the forum?

0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:12.680
<v Speaker 3>Ancient realm or Greece or wherever. Boring couldn't become.

0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:16.839
<v Speaker 5>But truly having the framing of it being comedy led

0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:19.440
<v Speaker 5>people to get it. So having the right framing for

0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:22.920
<v Speaker 5>I think you should leave led rene to discover it.

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:25.560
<v Speaker 5>So I'm not saying that whoever this person is like

0:34:25.840 --> 0:34:28.560
<v Speaker 5>absolutely like I wouldn't recommend I think you should leave

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:32.799
<v Speaker 5>to everyone, but as a gateway, do try to.

0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:33.520
<v Speaker 3>If you like.

0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:36.360
<v Speaker 5>Detroit Ters, try Detroiters, which I think is really warm

0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:40.120
<v Speaker 5>and sweet. And if you then enjoy the weirdness of Detroiters,

0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:43.440
<v Speaker 5>then try to dip your toe in. I think maybe

0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:47.320
<v Speaker 5>you shouldn't leave. Yeah, maybe that's a that's a better rampant.

0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:49.120
<v Speaker 2>I was going to say the sort of opposite thing

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:52.040
<v Speaker 2>to Jack's friend, which is that, like, I feel like

0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:54.640
<v Speaker 2>so many people get the advice like, oh, you got

0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:57.279
<v Speaker 2>to give it like a bunch of episodes or whatever. Yeah,

0:34:57.320 --> 0:34:59.440
<v Speaker 2>I actually think it's fine to just tap out it.

0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:04.640
<v Speaker 3>There's just so much good comedy, comedy, yeah, everything.

0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:07.759
<v Speaker 5>I have a friend who never got into Breaking Bad,

0:35:08.239 --> 0:35:11.000
<v Speaker 5>like I think Breaking Bad is. I mean, it's I

0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:13.400
<v Speaker 5>watched it myself, I watched it with friends. I watched

0:35:13.400 --> 0:35:16.040
<v Speaker 5>it with Renie, you know, we watched Better Calls Salt,

0:35:16.120 --> 0:35:20.760
<v Speaker 5>Like it's amazing art, like, it's funny, it's dramatic, it's

0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:25.239
<v Speaker 5>it's really weird and cool and great. And also I

0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:28.040
<v Speaker 5>have a friend who's like I watched the first episode

0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:31.600
<v Speaker 5>or two, ah, not for me, And and I think

0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:33.640
<v Speaker 5>I said or somebody else said. They're like, oh, you

0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:36.120
<v Speaker 5>got to give it like, you know, six or seven episodes,

0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:39.280
<v Speaker 5>and he's like, I gotta give it like three movies

0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:42.840
<v Speaker 5>worth of time before I can decide that this isn't

0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:43.200
<v Speaker 5>for me.

0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:46.280
<v Speaker 3>And so I think that's completely valid.

0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:48.520
<v Speaker 5>Like there obviously are things that take time to like

0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:52.240
<v Speaker 5>get the tone or get you know, get into the vibe.

0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:54.840
<v Speaker 5>Like every work, every great work of art, many of

0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:58.040
<v Speaker 5>them teach you how to experience them. Like if you've

0:35:58.040 --> 0:36:01.839
<v Speaker 5>never read Dickens or you've never you know, Moby dick

0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:05.480
<v Speaker 5>is weird, you know, but if you get like truly yeah,

0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:09.560
<v Speaker 5>any yeah, Moby Dickens, you know, anything like that. And

0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:11.719
<v Speaker 5>I say this not as somebody. I have not read

0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:14.440
<v Speaker 5>all of Moby Dick. I have read some Dickens. RENI,

0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:17.760
<v Speaker 5>my wonderful partner, has read like she started a project

0:36:17.760 --> 0:36:20.040
<v Speaker 5>like seven years ago to read all of like the

0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:24.080
<v Speaker 5>agreed upon great the works of classic literature. Start she

0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:27.239
<v Speaker 5>started with Moby dick. She then went on to Anna

0:36:27.320 --> 0:36:30.200
<v Speaker 5>Karinna and a bunch of Dickens, and like then, I

0:36:30.200 --> 0:36:31.759
<v Speaker 5>I had just had a memory of it being like.

0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:35.080
<v Speaker 3>In school going uh, no, thank you homework.

0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:37.879
<v Speaker 5>I don't think so, but like if you don't have

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:41.719
<v Speaker 5>to read it, like actually, you know, there's some funny

0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:45.200
<v Speaker 5>dickens out there and it's like just but it's a

0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:48.440
<v Speaker 5>different thing, and so like every but yeah, I guess

0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:50.680
<v Speaker 5>the main message is try something.

0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:53.240
<v Speaker 3>If it's not for you, that's cool.

0:36:53.560 --> 0:36:53.799
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:56.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm at the age where I kind of every like

0:36:56.680 --> 0:36:58.680
<v Speaker 2>every so often I'm like, I would really like to

0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:01.879
<v Speaker 2>take a literature class, like a college literature class now,

0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:04.560
<v Speaker 2>and I would do all of the work this time.

0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:05.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:10.400
<v Speaker 3>I graduated with a philosophy degree, and as I was

0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:14.239
<v Speaker 3>like trading in my philosophy books like after graduating, I

0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:16.680
<v Speaker 3>was like, man, there's like I could just like read

0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:18.880
<v Speaker 3>the stuff that I always wanted to read, and it

0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 3>became like so much more interesting to me, just like

0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:23.000
<v Speaker 3>outside of the context of homework.

0:37:23.120 --> 0:37:26.120
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you're turning in those bodies and you're like, oh, man,

0:37:26.320 --> 0:37:27.960
<v Speaker 5>I could have just been looking at a tree this

0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:28.480
<v Speaker 5>whole time.

0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:30.839
<v Speaker 4>Stack him up.

0:37:31.280 --> 0:37:32.040
<v Speaker 3>You ever tried that?

0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:32.600
<v Speaker 1>All?

0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:34.920
<v Speaker 3>Right, we should get into some stories.

0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:36.200
<v Speaker 4>This is just more so.

0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:39.759
<v Speaker 3>We talked on yesterday's episode about the guy conducting the

0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:45.239
<v Speaker 3>National Orchestra who is like just a Trump appointee who

0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:47.400
<v Speaker 3>is trying to be I think Secretary of State, and

0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:49.040
<v Speaker 3>then they like put him in charge of the Kennedy

0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:52.440
<v Speaker 3>Center and he like he just didn't make a wish

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:56.160
<v Speaker 3>thing where he like went up and conducted the like

0:37:56.320 --> 0:37:59.160
<v Speaker 3>best musicians in America and like didn't know what he

0:37:59.200 --> 0:38:01.760
<v Speaker 3>was doing. And I think just like had the assumption

0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:07.120
<v Speaker 3>that he like this is not yeah, exactly like the

0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:10.040
<v Speaker 3>thing that we all assumed when we first saw conductors

0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:12.840
<v Speaker 3>when we were like four years old. A billionaire last

0:38:12.920 --> 0:38:16.080
<v Speaker 3>year brought his way onto the USTA Tour to play

0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:18.759
<v Speaker 3>professional tennis and get rinsed, and then also to a

0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:21.239
<v Speaker 3>lesser degree, like Donald Trump, thinking he was going to

0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:25.680
<v Speaker 3>get like a call un response level response from the

0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:28.360
<v Speaker 3>NFL crowd when he went there, he was like repeat

0:38:28.440 --> 0:38:33.000
<v Speaker 3>after me and did like a you know, swearing in

0:38:33.160 --> 0:38:35.640
<v Speaker 3>oh thing with the crowd and was just like drown

0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:39.200
<v Speaker 3>out by boost. So I just feel like there is

0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:43.960
<v Speaker 3>a lack of awareness, a lack of just like connection

0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:47.360
<v Speaker 3>to reality that is happening both with this administration and

0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:51.440
<v Speaker 3>with the extremely wealthy. And then this morning, one of

0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:55.560
<v Speaker 3>our best AKA writers and favorite guests, Christy Almgucci Mane,

0:38:55.880 --> 0:39:00.480
<v Speaker 3>on Twitter, shared this video of Jeff Bezos entering a

0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:05.160
<v Speaker 3>stadium through a laser tube that was like coming up

0:39:05.200 --> 0:39:10.239
<v Speaker 3>out of the earth, flanked by lightsaber wielding guards with

0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:14.440
<v Speaker 3>these like wrap around Is it Jordi from Star Trek

0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:19.160
<v Speaker 3>or maybe yeah, Jordy wla forge sunglasses, staring straight forward

0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:23.480
<v Speaker 3>and like doing like trained soldier movements. And he you know,

0:39:23.560 --> 0:39:27.560
<v Speaker 3>rightly pointed out that like you couldn't right this level

0:39:27.600 --> 0:39:30.840
<v Speaker 3>of even evil billionaire in a movie. Everybody would just

0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:37.720
<v Speaker 3>be like what yeh right, it's really Zoolander, doctor evil

0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:38.399
<v Speaker 3>coded shit.

0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:41.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean, at the end of the day, these people

0:39:41.120 --> 0:39:45.000
<v Speaker 2>are rich and evil and powerful, but like they can

0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:48.439
<v Speaker 2>kill you, but they can't make you think they're cool, right,

0:39:48.719 --> 0:39:52.080
<v Speaker 2>Like they can literally murder you and whatever, but for

0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:55.719
<v Speaker 2>all of their power, they just can't. They can't make

0:39:55.719 --> 0:39:56.680
<v Speaker 2>you think they're cool.

0:39:56.920 --> 0:40:00.279
<v Speaker 5>And right, Like with the guy who paid money to

0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:03.480
<v Speaker 5>get to quote unquote be a conductor, you know, do

0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:07.880
<v Speaker 5>conductor cosplay, Like I can understand why the organization was,

0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:10.680
<v Speaker 5>like we could really use that money to like make

0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:14.120
<v Speaker 5>good art, which you know, a lot of comedians have

0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:16.359
<v Speaker 5>been like on a sitcom that might not have been

0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:19.560
<v Speaker 5>their favorite sitcom, but that you know, I don't I

0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:22.520
<v Speaker 5>think Patton Oswalt is wonderful and he was on the

0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:25.040
<v Speaker 5>King of Queens and he used that money to like

0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:29.640
<v Speaker 5>fund the comedians of Comedy Tour that launched the careers

0:40:29.640 --> 0:40:32.719
<v Speaker 5>of like zach Alafanakis and Brian Vamford and Brian post Say.

0:40:33.160 --> 0:40:36.480
<v Speaker 5>And so I think that, you know, if you for

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:40.200
<v Speaker 5>an arts organization to be like, yeah, like give a

0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:44.400
<v Speaker 5>thank you, like obviously everybody gets it. Everybody's not like, wow,

0:40:44.680 --> 0:40:47.360
<v Speaker 5>this guy is as good a conductor, like he's on

0:40:47.440 --> 0:40:51.520
<v Speaker 5>our stage conducting, like you can do the thing. You can,

0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:53.680
<v Speaker 5>you know, go through the motions, but it doesn't make

0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:57.279
<v Speaker 5>you have the experience of like, you know, you can

0:40:57.640 --> 0:41:00.880
<v Speaker 5>memorize words in another language, and doesn't mean that you

0:41:01.200 --> 0:41:04.680
<v Speaker 5>are fluent in the language. You aren't able to communicate

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:07.840
<v Speaker 5>if you don't actually take the steps to do the work.

0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:10.279
<v Speaker 5>And so yeah, I mean obviously anything I feel like

0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:13.239
<v Speaker 5>I'm a fan of anything where money goes from the

0:41:13.239 --> 0:41:16.480
<v Speaker 5>people who have too much to people who don't have

0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:19.600
<v Speaker 5>enough or could use it better. I mean like Elon,

0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:22.160
<v Speaker 5>you know, has so much money that he got he

0:41:22.160 --> 0:41:25.440
<v Speaker 5>can go on stage with Dave Chappelle at a certain

0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:28.560
<v Speaker 5>point and and it but it doesn't mean that people

0:41:28.600 --> 0:41:31.280
<v Speaker 5>will like the things that he's saying.

0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:33.799
<v Speaker 4>He can't it doesn't make him good at stand.

0:41:33.600 --> 0:41:39.239
<v Speaker 3>Up, like it's it's fast, it's fascinating, like something else

0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:41.319
<v Speaker 3>makes him at stand up. I guess because he.

0:41:45.080 --> 0:41:49.200
<v Speaker 5>Brought that sink into his workplace, right, I know, I know,

0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:51.000
<v Speaker 5>ye the dollars.

0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Letting you actualize your shitty ideas is the hardest thing

0:41:56.000 --> 0:41:59.120
<v Speaker 2>for them, so that they can do it, But that

0:41:59.160 --> 0:41:59.960
<v Speaker 2>doesn't make it good.

0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:03.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're so in their own world too, like they're

0:42:03.800 --> 0:42:06.959
<v Speaker 3>just in like they haven't taken a breath outside of

0:42:07.239 --> 0:42:10.439
<v Speaker 3>the biosphere of like yes men and people who work

0:42:10.560 --> 0:42:14.200
<v Speaker 3>for them that they exist inside and so like at

0:42:14.280 --> 0:42:17.120
<v Speaker 3>least with an artist there they have to be in

0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:19.560
<v Speaker 3>touch with their audience. But these people are just like

0:42:19.719 --> 0:42:22.759
<v Speaker 3>so far off on another planet that we're getting a

0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:26.880
<v Speaker 3>really accurate snapshot of just like what they think is cool,

0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:30.399
<v Speaker 3>like with any input from the outside world. And it's

0:42:30.440 --> 0:42:31.520
<v Speaker 3>really sad.

0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:35.480
<v Speaker 5>It's really sad, feel I feel, you know, I hope

0:42:35.480 --> 0:42:40.720
<v Speaker 5>that everyone discovers the truth you know and is able

0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:44.440
<v Speaker 5>to you know, grow and change and learn. But here's

0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:46.600
<v Speaker 5>like an analogy that I think goes along with what

0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:49.000
<v Speaker 5>you're saying. When I was in college, I had a

0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:52.400
<v Speaker 5>friend who didn't like cream cheese. She's like, anything with

0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:55.040
<v Speaker 5>cream cheese in it, I hate it. I like cream cheese.

0:42:55.120 --> 0:42:57.839
<v Speaker 5>And then one day, where as like part of her personality,

0:42:57.960 --> 0:43:00.720
<v Speaker 5>one day we're at lunch and she's eating a carrot

0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:04.919
<v Speaker 5>cake and it has cream cheese frosting, and I say, hey,

0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:07.080
<v Speaker 5>just remind me you don't like cream cheese, and she

0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:09.040
<v Speaker 5>says yes. I was like, and are you enjoying the cake?

0:43:09.239 --> 0:43:12.040
<v Speaker 5>And she says I am, And I say, what do

0:43:12.080 --> 0:43:14.560
<v Speaker 5>you know that that's actually cream cheese frosting that you're eating.

0:43:14.680 --> 0:43:16.759
<v Speaker 5>And then instead of saying like, oh, then I guess

0:43:16.760 --> 0:43:19.040
<v Speaker 5>there's some situations where I do like, she just pushes

0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:21.040
<v Speaker 5>it away from her and says, then I guess I

0:43:21.320 --> 0:43:21.960
<v Speaker 5>don't like it.

0:43:22.120 --> 0:43:24.920
<v Speaker 3>I was about what I like.

0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:27.960
<v Speaker 5>And I think that's what's happening with like you said,

0:43:28.160 --> 0:43:32.160
<v Speaker 5>the a lot of you know, rich, powerful, monetarily people

0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:37.200
<v Speaker 5>spend time surrounding themselves with yes people, many yes men,

0:43:37.239 --> 0:43:39.440
<v Speaker 5>and and yeah.

0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:40.160
<v Speaker 3>A lot of yes.

0:43:40.400 --> 0:43:43.840
<v Speaker 5>And the fact is that they could love like an artist,

0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:46.520
<v Speaker 5>they could love a comedian, they could love someone. But

0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:49.399
<v Speaker 5>if they love someone who can't be bought, and they

0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:53.000
<v Speaker 5>say I love this person. And then if that person says, actually,

0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:55.680
<v Speaker 5>you know, like Bruce Springsteen saying like, don't use my songs,

0:43:55.800 --> 0:43:58.319
<v Speaker 5>or like any other artists being like, you know, you

0:43:58.360 --> 0:44:01.839
<v Speaker 5>want to use their art because you love their art

0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:05.400
<v Speaker 5>for whatever reason. And then when they speak out and say, actually,

0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:08.360
<v Speaker 5>I'm not a fan of what you're doing in these

0:44:08.400 --> 0:44:11.279
<v Speaker 5>ways for these reasons, then they're like, well, then I

0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:12.799
<v Speaker 5>guess I don't like it.

0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:15.520
<v Speaker 4>Actually I was wrong about it.

0:44:15.640 --> 0:44:19.360
<v Speaker 5>When I mean, the way to grow and connect with

0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:21.120
<v Speaker 5>other people is to like truly.

0:44:21.560 --> 0:44:23.200
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I admit this.

0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:26.960
<v Speaker 5>I I know that I am. I don't know everything.

0:44:27.080 --> 0:44:33.440
<v Speaker 5>I know that I don't everything, and I won't hear

0:44:33.480 --> 0:44:35.719
<v Speaker 5>it hardly. I can almost not admit it.

0:44:35.880 --> 0:44:36.680
<v Speaker 4>I don't admit that.

0:44:37.040 --> 0:44:39.200
<v Speaker 5>I do a bit on stage sometimes now where I

0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:41.440
<v Speaker 5>ask an audience a member to ask me if I

0:44:41.520 --> 0:44:44.120
<v Speaker 5>know something that I couldn't know about their life or

0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:46.680
<v Speaker 5>their job or where they live or anything. And so

0:44:46.960 --> 0:44:49.920
<v Speaker 5>if they say, like one guy, he was a forensic pathologist,

0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:52.839
<v Speaker 5>and so he said to me, do you know how

0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:57.280
<v Speaker 5>to identify the time of death when a body is dead?

0:44:57.520 --> 0:45:00.239
<v Speaker 5>And I said, probably, because that's what I say at that,

0:45:00.440 --> 0:45:02.040
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, it's a thing that can be known.

0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:02.960
<v Speaker 3>I probably know it.

0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:06.319
<v Speaker 4>But there's people like so I think everyone.

0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:08.920
<v Speaker 5>You know, the wisest people, your Socrates, is, you're Confucius

0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:12.360
<v Speaker 5>is they like they're famous for saying I know what

0:45:12.520 --> 0:45:14.279
<v Speaker 5>I don't know, or I know that I don't know.

0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:15.960
<v Speaker 5>I don't even know what they said, but I know

0:45:16.040 --> 0:45:18.480
<v Speaker 5>that they said. They admit when they don't know things

0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:22.440
<v Speaker 5>that it's it's it's a wise powerful strength to admit

0:45:22.480 --> 0:45:25.680
<v Speaker 5>when you don't know something you can grow to. You

0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:29.239
<v Speaker 5>can only learn something if you didn't know it. So

0:45:29.320 --> 0:45:33.160
<v Speaker 5>if you're closed off to information or ideas that are

0:45:33.200 --> 0:45:36.520
<v Speaker 5>different than the ones you already think, like, that's the

0:45:37.000 --> 0:45:40.279
<v Speaker 5>it's weirdly like the it's the dumbest to think that

0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:41.800
<v Speaker 5>you're the smartest is the dumbest.

0:45:41.880 --> 0:45:45.240
<v Speaker 3>Ye, Yes, exactly. I also want to get to Elon Musk,

0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:48.560
<v Speaker 3>who got called out by Joyce Carol Oates on Twitter

0:45:49.000 --> 0:45:52.200
<v Speaker 3>and then spent like seventy two hours trying to prove

0:45:52.280 --> 0:45:55.279
<v Speaker 3>that he is a human with human feelings and like

0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:58.799
<v Speaker 3>taste in film. So original post was so curious that

0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:01.799
<v Speaker 3>such a wealthy man never posts anything that indicates that

0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:05.160
<v Speaker 3>he enjoys or is even aware of what virtually everyone

0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:09.480
<v Speaker 3>appreciates scenes from nature, pet dogger, cat, praise for a movie, music,

0:46:09.520 --> 0:46:12.200
<v Speaker 3>a book, but doubt that he reads pride in a

0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:15.319
<v Speaker 3>friends or relatives, accomplishment condolences for someone who has died,

0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:18.400
<v Speaker 3>pleasure in sports, acclaim for a favorite team, references to history.

0:46:18.440 --> 0:46:22.680
<v Speaker 3>In fact, he seems totally uneducated, uncultured. The poorest persons

0:46:22.880 --> 0:46:25.600
<v Speaker 3>on Twitter may have access to more beauty and meaning

0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:28.960
<v Speaker 3>in life than the quote most wealthy person in the world.

0:46:29.480 --> 0:46:34.200
<v Speaker 3>And he, you know, called her like mean Oats is

0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:37.560
<v Speaker 3>a liar and delights in being mean, not a good human.

0:46:37.880 --> 0:46:41.440
<v Speaker 3>But his clap back, but then he spent the rest

0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:45.680
<v Speaker 3>of the day talking about like movies he likes, so

0:46:45.920 --> 0:46:49.160
<v Speaker 3>clearly he was and the movies were like Man on

0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:52.120
<v Speaker 3>Fire is great. Fifth Element has great style.

0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:57.280
<v Speaker 5>Oh, I mean Fifth Element does have great style.

0:46:58.719 --> 0:47:00.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's so interesting. I heard this thing.

0:47:01.120 --> 0:47:04.239
<v Speaker 5>I feel like this might have been Confucius, but it

0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:06.920
<v Speaker 5>was like, it's not something to paraphrase. It's like, it's

0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:10.800
<v Speaker 5>not good to try to be liked by everyone, because

0:47:10.840 --> 0:47:13.960
<v Speaker 5>you won't be liked by everyone. It's good to try

0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:18.279
<v Speaker 5>and be like liked or respected by people whose opinions

0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:21.080
<v Speaker 5>are of value to you, you know, like if you

0:47:21.560 --> 0:47:24.239
<v Speaker 5>like as a you know, obviously as a comedian, like

0:47:24.400 --> 0:47:27.920
<v Speaker 5>audiences are one metric of how good a comedian is,

0:47:27.960 --> 0:47:30.279
<v Speaker 5>like how much people, but people can make people laugh

0:47:30.320 --> 0:47:35.520
<v Speaker 5>with stolen jokes or older, unoriginal jokes. Uh, And like

0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:38.719
<v Speaker 5>I think the best comedians are the ones. I mean,

0:47:38.880 --> 0:47:41.520
<v Speaker 5>my favorite comedians are my favorite comedians. But if you ask,

0:47:41.640 --> 0:47:44.080
<v Speaker 5>you know me, my favorite comedians, like I'll name people

0:47:44.120 --> 0:47:46.640
<v Speaker 5>like Maria Bamford, and if you ask Stephen Colbert, he'll

0:47:46.680 --> 0:47:50.200
<v Speaker 5>also name her, and so many of your favorite comedian whoever,

0:47:50.239 --> 0:47:53.840
<v Speaker 5>your favorite comedian is, like who are their favorite comedians

0:47:53.840 --> 0:47:57.040
<v Speaker 5>and who are their favorite comedians? Eventually you'll get you know,

0:47:57.320 --> 0:47:59.600
<v Speaker 5>You'll you'll get a lot of Davitel's, You'll get a

0:47:59.600 --> 0:48:02.480
<v Speaker 5>lot of Hedberg's. You'll get a lot of Reggie Watts's.

0:48:02.520 --> 0:48:05.200
<v Speaker 5>You know you'll get you'll get a lot of really

0:48:05.680 --> 0:48:08.480
<v Speaker 5>great like agreed upon you know, kind of like not

0:48:08.560 --> 0:48:11.239
<v Speaker 5>the popular vote and not even the electoral college, but

0:48:11.280 --> 0:48:15.840
<v Speaker 5>sort of just like the the inn group, the experts

0:48:16.000 --> 0:48:19.880
<v Speaker 5>opinions and so in like the way to live life,

0:48:20.040 --> 0:48:22.160
<v Speaker 5>Like I have a friend who This is an experience

0:48:22.239 --> 0:48:25.399
<v Speaker 5>she had where she was working at a college while

0:48:25.400 --> 0:48:27.640
<v Speaker 5>she was getting her degree, and so she was working

0:48:27.680 --> 0:48:30.960
<v Speaker 5>an administrative job and she had dreams of like, you know,

0:48:31.080 --> 0:48:33.440
<v Speaker 5>she's an artist, she's a poet, she's a comedian, she's

0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:37.520
<v Speaker 5>a performer. She's like maybe thinking about opening a cafe

0:48:37.600 --> 0:48:39.799
<v Speaker 5>that's also a performance space and you know, getting to

0:48:40.000 --> 0:48:43.040
<v Speaker 5>be like an artist collective. And she was talking with

0:48:43.520 --> 0:48:46.400
<v Speaker 5>a fellow worker who's on you know, her level, and

0:48:46.440 --> 0:48:48.000
<v Speaker 5>the worker was like, you know what you should do?

0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:50.480
<v Speaker 5>And I think my friend is a kind person and

0:48:50.520 --> 0:48:52.719
<v Speaker 5>didn't say this to her face, but said to me,

0:48:52.840 --> 0:48:56.440
<v Speaker 5>She's like, I don't want advice from people who are

0:48:56.560 --> 0:49:00.359
<v Speaker 5>where I am. I want advice from people who are

0:49:00.400 --> 0:49:04.799
<v Speaker 5>where I want to be. And so like for for

0:49:04.880 --> 0:49:09.680
<v Speaker 5>a person to like who, who's whose reverence do you want?

0:49:09.719 --> 0:49:13.480
<v Speaker 3>If you want reverence, like who's approval? Whose appreciation?

0:49:13.920 --> 0:49:16.959
<v Speaker 5>Like I love meeting another comedian, and I mean even

0:49:17.000 --> 0:49:19.399
<v Speaker 5>like yourself, Andrew, Like we've been we've known each other

0:49:19.440 --> 0:49:22.239
<v Speaker 5>on social media at least for many years, you know,

0:49:22.640 --> 0:49:25.319
<v Speaker 5>and I be when because I think I saw you

0:49:25.360 --> 0:49:28.040
<v Speaker 5>because some of my friends were either on your podcast

0:49:28.160 --> 0:49:31.040
<v Speaker 5>or were interacting with you or had retweeted you or

0:49:31.239 --> 0:49:33.560
<v Speaker 5>you had shared them, and I was like, oh, my

0:49:33.719 --> 0:49:36.080
<v Speaker 5>friend likes this person. Let me have I'm not gonna

0:49:36.200 --> 0:49:38.560
<v Speaker 5>just like this person because my friend likes this person,

0:49:38.760 --> 0:49:41.000
<v Speaker 5>but I'm gonna use that as a que to look

0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:43.239
<v Speaker 5>at your stuff and be like, oh, now I from

0:49:43.280 --> 0:49:45.560
<v Speaker 5>the inside also like this person.

0:49:45.640 --> 0:49:47.920
<v Speaker 3>I like this person's work. I like what they're doing,

0:49:48.239 --> 0:49:50.719
<v Speaker 3>and like now I'm like, oh, and you also now

0:49:50.800 --> 0:49:52.520
<v Speaker 3>know me and know what I do and like what

0:49:52.600 --> 0:49:56.280
<v Speaker 3>I do. That's cool, And that's not what's happening for Joyce,

0:49:56.320 --> 0:50:01.080
<v Speaker 3>Carol Oates and Elon. He wants to be liked by

0:50:01.120 --> 0:50:03.600
<v Speaker 3>everyone is essentially like it does feel like he.

0:50:03.760 --> 0:50:08.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's like the speed running Citizen Kane in public,

0:50:08.400 --> 0:50:11.360
<v Speaker 2>which is I guess what Twitter has done to people.

0:50:11.360 --> 0:50:16.719
<v Speaker 2>But it's just like how bereft of any like joy.

0:50:17.600 --> 0:50:20.560
<v Speaker 3>I mean, he he made that prompt like the day

0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:22.880
<v Speaker 3>that she said that, he made a prompt in with

0:50:23.120 --> 0:50:28.000
<v Speaker 3>using rock the image AI generator with there was just

0:50:28.040 --> 0:50:31.280
<v Speaker 3>a woman that said with the words I will always

0:50:31.280 --> 0:50:33.680
<v Speaker 3>love you underneath it. It is just like.

0:50:33.960 --> 0:50:38.040
<v Speaker 2>Dark dark, not even the best use of the words

0:50:38.080 --> 0:50:39.120
<v Speaker 2>I will always love you.

0:50:39.920 --> 0:50:45.239
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, what's wrong with man I as a as a comedian, like,

0:50:45.400 --> 0:50:48.319
<v Speaker 5>when you start out doing comedy for those that don't know,

0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:51.160
<v Speaker 5>you do a lot of open mics, and you get

0:50:51.200 --> 0:50:53.960
<v Speaker 5>a lot of silence. You know, you get a lot

0:50:54.000 --> 0:50:56.440
<v Speaker 5>of there's a lot of a big learning curve, and

0:50:56.520 --> 0:50:58.440
<v Speaker 5>you know, for some it takes you know, some people

0:50:58.440 --> 0:51:01.080
<v Speaker 5>are great out the gate, but it's much more common

0:51:01.400 --> 0:51:04.440
<v Speaker 5>to not be great out the gate, and you spend

0:51:04.560 --> 0:51:07.759
<v Speaker 5>months and years of you know, honing and editing and

0:51:07.800 --> 0:51:10.920
<v Speaker 5>listening back to sets, and you know, theoretically quote unquote

0:51:11.080 --> 0:51:16.080
<v Speaker 5>failing in public and eventually discovering like what you enjoy

0:51:16.120 --> 0:51:18.719
<v Speaker 5>that other people enjoy, what makes you laugh that make

0:51:18.800 --> 0:51:22.759
<v Speaker 5>other people laugh. And I feel like that is like

0:51:23.080 --> 0:51:26.360
<v Speaker 5>what Elon is trying to do, is what the equivalent

0:51:26.440 --> 0:51:28.520
<v Speaker 5>of an open my comedian is trying to do, just

0:51:28.560 --> 0:51:32.759
<v Speaker 5>throwing everything at the wall to see what my is

0:51:32.800 --> 0:51:33.840
<v Speaker 5>this what everyone will like?

0:51:33.920 --> 0:51:35.600
<v Speaker 3>Is this what everyone will like? Is this what everyone

0:51:35.640 --> 0:51:35.960
<v Speaker 3>will like?

0:51:36.239 --> 0:51:39.799
<v Speaker 5>And as a new comedian in my twenties, I was like,

0:51:39.840 --> 0:51:42.080
<v Speaker 5>I don't know what people like. I don't know, like,

0:51:42.160 --> 0:51:44.960
<v Speaker 5>I know what I think is fun and good and interesting,

0:51:45.040 --> 0:51:48.200
<v Speaker 5>but there's a lot of stuff I think I've written

0:51:48.480 --> 0:51:51.200
<v Speaker 5>for every joke that I continue to tell on stage

0:51:51.200 --> 0:51:54.319
<v Speaker 5>because it works. There are I can't even tell you,

0:51:54.360 --> 0:51:58.640
<v Speaker 5>probably thousands tens of that, however, many thousands of jokes

0:51:58.680 --> 0:52:01.520
<v Speaker 5>that I have tried to write that maybe I could

0:52:01.520 --> 0:52:03.440
<v Speaker 5>make work today if I put in enough time. But

0:52:03.640 --> 0:52:06.840
<v Speaker 5>it's just in the beginning. It's a numbers game. It's quantity,

0:52:07.120 --> 0:52:10.839
<v Speaker 5>and eventually you settle into like, oh, this is what

0:52:10.920 --> 0:52:13.319
<v Speaker 5>I want to talk about. This is like what I

0:52:13.400 --> 0:52:15.320
<v Speaker 5>care about, this is what's meaningful to me, this is

0:52:15.360 --> 0:52:18.720
<v Speaker 5>what I'm gonna spend my time on. But it seems

0:52:18.760 --> 0:52:21.560
<v Speaker 5>like and there a lot of people when you're when

0:52:21.560 --> 0:52:24.560
<v Speaker 5>you're new, want a short cut, and there's the There

0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:28.760
<v Speaker 5>is no shortcut. There is only putting time and work

0:52:28.840 --> 0:52:33.719
<v Speaker 5>and effort into it and not just paying to be

0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:36.760
<v Speaker 5>on stage with the conductor of comedy.

0:52:37.400 --> 0:52:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Elon is a like I opened my Communitian who bombed

0:52:41.000 --> 0:52:44.640
<v Speaker 2>one time and then bought every comedy club and also

0:52:44.760 --> 0:52:48.880
<v Speaker 2>every performance venue on Earth in response.

0:52:48.600 --> 0:52:51.880
<v Speaker 3>And then is trying to do the open mic winnowing

0:52:52.360 --> 0:52:58.080
<v Speaker 3>honing process into a galaxy of sycophants who are just

0:52:58.200 --> 0:53:02.000
<v Speaker 3>like It's import for him.

0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:05.080
<v Speaker 2>The problem is he gets enough feedback that he likes it,

0:53:05.160 --> 0:53:09.160
<v Speaker 2>but humanity still can easily see he is not funny.

0:53:09.480 --> 0:53:12.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, anybody who's not coming in just being like,

0:53:13.040 --> 0:53:15.239
<v Speaker 3>I want this guy to like me. Maybe he'll make

0:53:15.320 --> 0:53:20.319
<v Speaker 3>me rich too. Yeah, we've own the libs.

0:53:19.600 --> 0:53:22.839
<v Speaker 4>That's true. That's how you do that. He did that.

0:53:22.960 --> 0:53:24.520
<v Speaker 3>We should take a quick break. I want to talk

0:53:24.560 --> 0:53:28.520
<v Speaker 3>about Target forcing employees to smile, and we'll be right back.

0:53:39.040 --> 0:53:44.000
<v Speaker 3>And we're back, and there's a there's a new program

0:53:44.000 --> 0:53:47.000
<v Speaker 3>at Target called the ten to four Program Good Buddy,

0:53:47.800 --> 0:53:51.640
<v Speaker 3>which follows similarly creepy rules enacted by Walmart and Disney.

0:53:52.200 --> 0:53:55.440
<v Speaker 3>So store employees are now required to smile if they

0:53:55.440 --> 0:53:58.720
<v Speaker 3>are within ten feet of a shopper. They also must

0:53:58.719 --> 0:54:01.759
<v Speaker 3>make eye contact with a wave to or greet the

0:54:01.800 --> 0:54:05.480
<v Speaker 3>customer if they're within four feet. The employee should ask

0:54:05.520 --> 0:54:09.200
<v Speaker 3>how the customer's day is going or if they need help.

0:54:10.160 --> 0:54:14.680
<v Speaker 3>And this is first of all. They should like pay

0:54:14.680 --> 0:54:18.359
<v Speaker 3>their employees a little wait, that would be one thing,

0:54:18.640 --> 0:54:20.839
<v Speaker 3>or pay them for all the time they're working. Target

0:54:20.880 --> 0:54:23.359
<v Speaker 3>warehouse workers had to take legal action to actually get

0:54:23.440 --> 0:54:26.239
<v Speaker 3>paid for the thirty minutes it takes them to walk

0:54:26.280 --> 0:54:29.960
<v Speaker 3>from the entrance to their workstation. Yeah, Target is bad

0:54:30.000 --> 0:54:36.560
<v Speaker 3>at this, but I do just find this this interesting.

0:54:36.680 --> 0:54:40.160
<v Speaker 3>Like I've definitely been to Trader Joe's and had the

0:54:40.200 --> 0:54:45.040
<v Speaker 3>experience of like being lost in thought and somebody like

0:54:45.080 --> 0:54:50.799
<v Speaker 3>the checkout person starting a mandatory small talk conversation with

0:54:50.840 --> 0:54:54.080
<v Speaker 3>me and like being kind of thrown and feeling a

0:54:54.080 --> 0:54:57.960
<v Speaker 3>little weird and alienated by it. But I just think

0:54:58.000 --> 0:55:02.240
<v Speaker 3>it's an interesting like the it's a thing that if

0:55:02.480 --> 0:55:05.520
<v Speaker 3>people came down or like outside of history, if people

0:55:05.520 --> 0:55:08.279
<v Speaker 3>from other eras were able to look in, I think

0:55:08.280 --> 0:55:10.240
<v Speaker 3>it would be one of the things that everyone thought

0:55:10.320 --> 0:55:14.640
<v Speaker 3>was weird about our culture, is like like because there's

0:55:15.200 --> 0:55:17.480
<v Speaker 3>I remember there was an either Radio Lab or This

0:55:17.520 --> 0:55:20.640
<v Speaker 3>American Life episode from the early days of podcasting where

0:55:20.640 --> 0:55:23.719
<v Speaker 3>they talked about the phenomenon of when they first opened

0:55:23.760 --> 0:55:28.160
<v Speaker 3>the McDonald's in Russia after the wall fell, and everyone

0:55:28.360 --> 0:55:30.319
<v Speaker 3>was like the people who worked there were just like

0:55:30.360 --> 0:55:32.840
<v Speaker 3>what the fuck do you mean smile at them? Like what,

0:55:33.880 --> 0:55:35.640
<v Speaker 3>like what are you talking about? And they had like

0:55:35.680 --> 0:55:38.840
<v Speaker 3>the hardest time getting them to do it, and ultimately

0:55:38.880 --> 0:55:41.760
<v Speaker 3>like gave up on it. There's also something called smile

0:55:41.840 --> 0:55:46.439
<v Speaker 3>mask syndrome, which was diagnosed in Japanese young women who

0:55:46.520 --> 0:55:49.200
<v Speaker 3>like work in the service industry where they have to

0:55:49.280 --> 0:55:54.120
<v Speaker 3>like smile so much that like this psychologist was like

0:55:54.200 --> 0:55:58.239
<v Speaker 3>they were still smiling while relating like really stressful or

0:55:58.280 --> 0:56:01.239
<v Speaker 3>troubling experiences, which I think is like the movie, the

0:56:01.280 --> 0:56:06.759
<v Speaker 3>horror movie Smile, but and like it's again they're like

0:56:06.920 --> 0:56:10.000
<v Speaker 3>this came because of Tokyo Disneyland, which opened in nineteen

0:56:10.040 --> 0:56:13.560
<v Speaker 3>eighty three, and then throughout the eighties they found this

0:56:13.680 --> 0:56:17.880
<v Speaker 3>thing of like the obligatory smile in the workplace, creating

0:56:17.920 --> 0:56:24.040
<v Speaker 3>this sort of psychological or like existential weirdness that people

0:56:24.480 --> 0:56:26.000
<v Speaker 3>have a hard time dealing with.

0:56:26.480 --> 0:56:30.040
<v Speaker 5>Do you know I co sign everything you're saying, And

0:56:30.080 --> 0:56:34.160
<v Speaker 5>I obviously like capitalism is this is a feature of it,

0:56:34.280 --> 0:56:36.440
<v Speaker 5>you know, not a bug. This is it's a it's

0:56:36.480 --> 0:56:40.120
<v Speaker 5>a trap and it's unfortunate and would be better if

0:56:40.160 --> 0:56:43.719
<v Speaker 5>you know, people all could be more self directed in

0:56:44.040 --> 0:56:45.840
<v Speaker 5>how they want to live their life and not need

0:56:45.840 --> 0:56:49.440
<v Speaker 5>to be behold into these massive corporations. Like my girlfriend

0:56:49.680 --> 0:56:52.200
<v Speaker 5>used to work at a you know, a big department

0:56:52.200 --> 0:56:54.920
<v Speaker 5>store in the fine jewelry department, and you know, like

0:56:55.120 --> 0:56:57.360
<v Speaker 5>there were times when if you didn't like some people,

0:56:57.360 --> 0:56:59.640
<v Speaker 5>if you didn't sell as much as others in one month,

0:56:59.719 --> 0:57:01.879
<v Speaker 5>Like if a couple months in a row, your job

0:57:02.040 --> 0:57:05.640
<v Speaker 5>was potentially at risk. But there were times when if

0:57:05.640 --> 0:57:07.959
<v Speaker 5>she sold enough in like the beginning of the month,

0:57:08.160 --> 0:57:11.280
<v Speaker 5>then the rest of the month she could relax and.

0:57:11.200 --> 0:57:12.560
<v Speaker 3>She would actually sell.

0:57:12.560 --> 0:57:15.200
<v Speaker 5>She would be a better employee then because she was

0:57:15.560 --> 0:57:19.960
<v Speaker 5>relaxed and not you know, constantly masking and constantly you know,

0:57:20.600 --> 0:57:22.680
<v Speaker 5>on her toes to be like I gotta do this.

0:57:22.800 --> 0:57:27.040
<v Speaker 5>I got because it's ultimately, I would say, at best,

0:57:27.160 --> 0:57:29.520
<v Speaker 5>it's I mean, it's like acting, you know, like you

0:57:29.560 --> 0:57:31.920
<v Speaker 5>get a job as an actor, like well, in this scene,

0:57:32.280 --> 0:57:35.600
<v Speaker 5>maybe smile because the character is happy, you know, And

0:57:35.680 --> 0:57:39.080
<v Speaker 5>maybe a director could be you know, as you know,

0:57:39.520 --> 0:57:42.760
<v Speaker 5>difficult to deal with if it's a difficult director. But

0:57:42.960 --> 0:57:45.400
<v Speaker 5>I ideally, if you're making art, it's gonna be. But

0:57:45.600 --> 0:57:47.440
<v Speaker 5>here's the I don't want to I don't know that

0:57:47.480 --> 0:57:49.200
<v Speaker 5>I even believe what I'm about to say, but I

0:57:49.240 --> 0:57:53.360
<v Speaker 5>want to present this as as an option. I do

0:57:53.440 --> 0:57:58.640
<v Speaker 5>think that there's like this the guys of familial you know,

0:57:58.760 --> 0:58:02.400
<v Speaker 5>happenstance in workplaces like we're a family here, you know,

0:58:02.760 --> 0:58:04.760
<v Speaker 5>like hey, which they use like it's not a family.

0:58:04.840 --> 0:58:07.200
<v Speaker 5>It's your job that you agree to do something and

0:58:07.240 --> 0:58:09.840
<v Speaker 5>they agree to give you money, and like, hopefully you

0:58:09.880 --> 0:58:12.440
<v Speaker 5>get along with your coworkers, you get hopefully your boss

0:58:12.520 --> 0:58:15.840
<v Speaker 5>is a kind human being. Hopefully, But they sometimes use

0:58:15.920 --> 0:58:18.479
<v Speaker 5>that to say like, hey, maybe put in some extra

0:58:18.560 --> 0:58:20.040
<v Speaker 5>time because we're all a family here.

0:58:20.160 --> 0:58:21.800
<v Speaker 3>You don't just back out on your family.

0:58:22.080 --> 0:58:23.280
<v Speaker 4>But so with it.

0:58:23.360 --> 0:58:27.640
<v Speaker 5>In opposition to that, I feel like there is something

0:58:27.840 --> 0:58:31.600
<v Speaker 5>nice about saying the quiet part out loud, or saying

0:58:31.640 --> 0:58:35.480
<v Speaker 5>it saying it explicitly to be like, look, we're paying

0:58:35.560 --> 0:58:38.880
<v Speaker 5>you to be the face of this company, which involves like,

0:58:39.080 --> 0:58:42.760
<v Speaker 5>here's definitive directives, like as opposed to just being like hey,

0:58:42.800 --> 0:58:44.880
<v Speaker 5>when people are around, try to be cool. Try to

0:58:44.880 --> 0:58:47.040
<v Speaker 5>make it seem like there have to be like, look,

0:58:47.320 --> 0:58:51.040
<v Speaker 5>we're hiring you to smile when you're at this particular

0:58:51.560 --> 0:58:55.040
<v Speaker 5>trajectory at this juncture. Hey, you're eleven feet I love

0:58:55.080 --> 0:58:57.320
<v Speaker 5>that if you're eleven feet away from people.

0:58:57.320 --> 0:59:00.320
<v Speaker 3>Flow nuts with your face, you know, just like shut

0:59:00.360 --> 0:59:02.800
<v Speaker 3>it down, like, don't give them a line that will

0:59:03.360 --> 0:59:05.000
<v Speaker 3>not come within ten feet of you.

0:59:05.920 --> 0:59:08.680
<v Speaker 4>Just just sort of shuffle away as they get closer.

0:59:09.080 --> 0:59:12.560
<v Speaker 3>Right, Oh yeah, so you're running a zone defense in basketball,

0:59:12.600 --> 0:59:14.320
<v Speaker 3>you're like trying to stay in between people.

0:59:14.840 --> 0:59:18.560
<v Speaker 5>That's like there's I think this is somebody's joke. It

0:59:18.640 --> 0:59:21.520
<v Speaker 5>might be the comedian Tony v in Boston, who's an

0:59:21.520 --> 0:59:25.360
<v Speaker 5>incredible comedian. I know he has some jokes about scientists

0:59:25.400 --> 0:59:28.800
<v Speaker 5>who study dolphins, and so this might be from his bit,

0:59:29.400 --> 0:59:31.120
<v Speaker 5>or it might just be a fact that I learned

0:59:31.120 --> 0:59:33.840
<v Speaker 5>somewhere along the way or somebody else's bit, but that

0:59:34.200 --> 0:59:37.520
<v Speaker 5>some dolphin was trained to like get litter out of

0:59:37.520 --> 0:59:40.640
<v Speaker 5>its enclosure. Like if there was like pieces of paper

0:59:40.760 --> 0:59:43.520
<v Speaker 5>or debris, it would pick them up and then you

0:59:43.560 --> 0:59:45.680
<v Speaker 5>would it would get fish, you know, get food for

0:59:45.920 --> 0:59:49.200
<v Speaker 5>each piece of paper that it delivered each piece of trash.

0:59:49.520 --> 0:59:52.640
<v Speaker 5>So dolphins, I don't you know, they're smart. So dolphins

0:59:52.680 --> 0:59:56.640
<v Speaker 5>would then start, after they realized the system ripping trash

0:59:56.800 --> 0:59:59.520
<v Speaker 5>in half, they would start ripping the pieces of paper

0:59:59.560 --> 1:00:02.080
<v Speaker 5>and being like two pieces of fish, please, Like I

1:00:02.160 --> 1:00:05.320
<v Speaker 5>got you two garbages, so give me two foods.

1:00:05.640 --> 1:00:06.760
<v Speaker 3>And so I feel like that.

1:00:07.000 --> 1:00:10.360
<v Speaker 5>Also, I wonder how how Target employees are going to

1:00:10.400 --> 1:00:13.280
<v Speaker 5>gamify it. They're like, where's the ten foot mark? Like

1:00:13.760 --> 1:00:15.640
<v Speaker 5>nothing in the rule book that says I have to

1:00:15.720 --> 1:00:16.840
<v Speaker 5>move into the zone.

1:00:16.960 --> 1:00:19.520
<v Speaker 2>This is a big corporate game of I'm not touching you,

1:00:20.920 --> 1:00:24.520
<v Speaker 2>They're just fucking running. I mean obviously, like this is

1:00:24.600 --> 1:00:27.200
<v Speaker 2>just poor even if you want to just be shackled

1:00:27.200 --> 1:00:30.880
<v Speaker 2>with the strictures of capitalism, this is just poor management.

1:00:31.400 --> 1:00:34.280
<v Speaker 2>Like you shouldn't need to define this if everything else

1:00:34.400 --> 1:00:37.440
<v Speaker 2>was being managed correctly. But I do think this this

1:00:38.000 --> 1:00:40.640
<v Speaker 2>has like a really nice letter of the law, not

1:00:40.680 --> 1:00:44.040
<v Speaker 2>spirit of the law, opportunity for some enterprising Target employees.

1:00:44.720 --> 1:00:48.080
<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, it's you want to address the not this is

1:00:48.080 --> 1:00:51.920
<v Speaker 5>addressing the symptoms, like the external like, hey, your face

1:00:51.960 --> 1:00:53.360
<v Speaker 5>isn't doing what we wanted to do.

1:00:53.560 --> 1:00:55.360
<v Speaker 3>What do we do to make your face smile?

1:00:55.800 --> 1:00:56.920
<v Speaker 4>Order you to smile?

1:00:57.240 --> 1:01:00.919
<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, yeah, superducer cat there and asks if they're

1:01:01.440 --> 1:01:05.200
<v Speaker 3>trying to combat the gen Z stare, which I think, oh, yeah,

1:01:05.240 --> 1:01:07.640
<v Speaker 3>the thing but that is a big news story. We

1:01:07.640 --> 1:01:10.200
<v Speaker 3>were like gen Z look at us, like they don't

1:01:10.240 --> 1:01:11.280
<v Speaker 3>know what we're talking about.

1:01:11.520 --> 1:01:14.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is this is this is all I'm reading

1:01:14.640 --> 1:01:19.280
<v Speaker 2>here is this is a nationwide fakest smile contest for

1:01:19.360 --> 1:01:20.880
<v Speaker 2>all Target employees.

1:01:20.960 --> 1:01:24.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's just most unnerving smile. Can I help you?

1:01:26.440 --> 1:01:29.160
<v Speaker 3>They should just hire everyone to wear a mask. That

1:01:29.400 --> 1:01:32.680
<v Speaker 3>is the target bullseye over their face. You know, Oh

1:01:32.720 --> 1:01:34.960
<v Speaker 3>my god, that's kind of like a smile at the bottom.

1:01:35.040 --> 1:01:36.360
<v Speaker 4>I would love that, honestly.

1:01:36.880 --> 1:01:40.280
<v Speaker 3>I do personally just feel like like set on edge,

1:01:40.320 --> 1:01:44.600
<v Speaker 3>like anytime someone is starting an interaction with me, Like

1:01:45.040 --> 1:01:47.800
<v Speaker 3>I feel like you can tell the difference when it's

1:01:47.840 --> 1:01:50.680
<v Speaker 3>like enforced and when it's not. And usually any sort

1:01:50.720 --> 1:01:54.479
<v Speaker 3>of forced social exchange is like you know, someone trying

1:01:54.520 --> 1:01:56.920
<v Speaker 3>to con you or sell you something or something like that.

1:01:56.960 --> 1:02:00.880
<v Speaker 3>So I just like have an immediate like detection of like, yeah,

1:02:01.160 --> 1:02:02.280
<v Speaker 3>you get away from it.

1:02:02.560 --> 1:02:05.760
<v Speaker 2>But also target management, you know, maybe you could also

1:02:05.920 --> 1:02:08.800
<v Speaker 2>just not loudly trumpet how you don't support de I

1:02:09.240 --> 1:02:12.560
<v Speaker 2>or you know, like not lock up all your here,

1:02:12.840 --> 1:02:18.840
<v Speaker 2>all your remotely valuable things. Maybe that's why people don't

1:02:18.840 --> 1:02:21.480
<v Speaker 2>like shopping at targeting or not not the lack of

1:02:21.560 --> 1:02:24.080
<v Speaker 2>fake smiles from children of the corn.

1:02:25.960 --> 1:02:29.120
<v Speaker 3>What do people like friends? We're going to be their friends.

1:02:30.000 --> 1:02:33.280
<v Speaker 3>That's yeah, Mike, such a pleasure having you on the

1:02:33.320 --> 1:02:36.840
<v Speaker 3>daily Zeicheist. Where can people find you? Follow you, catch

1:02:36.840 --> 1:02:38.360
<v Speaker 3>your new special all that good stuff?

1:02:38.720 --> 1:02:42.400
<v Speaker 5>Yes, of course, So Mike Kaplan is my name spelled

1:02:42.400 --> 1:02:45.440
<v Speaker 5>this weird way? M Y q K A P l

1:02:45.480 --> 1:02:47.800
<v Speaker 5>A N. That's my you know, at Mike Kaplan on

1:02:47.800 --> 1:02:49.880
<v Speaker 5>all the social media at Mike Kaplan dot com. I

1:02:49.880 --> 1:02:54.320
<v Speaker 5>have a newsletter at Substacks that's Mike Kaplan dot substack

1:02:54.640 --> 1:02:55.440
<v Speaker 5>dot com.

1:02:55.640 --> 1:02:57.840
<v Speaker 3>Uh. I've got podcasts on my own. You mentioned them,

1:02:57.840 --> 1:02:58.520
<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much.

1:02:58.520 --> 1:03:00.440
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, I've got a bunch of comedy albums and

1:03:00.480 --> 1:03:03.600
<v Speaker 5>specials out there on the various streaming platforms, the latest

1:03:03.640 --> 1:03:06.840
<v Speaker 5>of which does come to YouTube New York City time

1:03:07.000 --> 1:03:12.000
<v Speaker 5>eight pm on November nineteenth and accordingly the rest of

1:03:12.040 --> 1:03:14.920
<v Speaker 5>the world. So that'll be on my YouTube collaborating with

1:03:15.000 --> 1:03:19.560
<v Speaker 5>the producers Blonde Medicine, so like and subscribe their YouTube

1:03:19.640 --> 1:03:23.000
<v Speaker 5>channel and my Mike Kaplan YouTube channel, and I'll be

1:03:23.080 --> 1:03:25.920
<v Speaker 5>in there interacting with people for the debut.

1:03:26.120 --> 1:03:28.760
<v Speaker 3>So if you can watch it at exactly the time

1:03:28.800 --> 1:03:31.880
<v Speaker 3>that it comes out, that will help the robots tell

1:03:31.960 --> 1:03:34.840
<v Speaker 3>other people about it. So yeah, but if you remember anything,

1:03:34.920 --> 1:03:37.480
<v Speaker 3>I appreciate it. And it's the new special is called

1:03:37.640 --> 1:03:40.400
<v Speaker 3>Renie name for my girlfriend Reni, with whom I created

1:03:40.440 --> 1:03:45.000
<v Speaker 3>the special Reenie Reni on YouTube November nineteenth. Thanks so

1:03:45.080 --> 1:03:45.720
<v Speaker 3>much for having me.

1:03:45.920 --> 1:03:46.640
<v Speaker 4>Love the name Reeni.

1:03:46.680 --> 1:03:49.560
<v Speaker 3>By the way, I have an aunt Rene. Is it

1:03:49.600 --> 1:03:51.680
<v Speaker 3>short for anything? Your aunt Reenie Mareen?

1:03:51.920 --> 1:03:52.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

1:03:52.880 --> 1:03:57.880
<v Speaker 3>Nice? Is your partner's name short, It's short for Catherine Katherine.

1:03:58.120 --> 1:04:03.200
<v Speaker 5>As a child, so many mom called directions Reenie Catherine,

1:04:03.360 --> 1:04:05.640
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, that's Reenie's.

1:04:05.640 --> 1:04:09.080
<v Speaker 3>Are not a monolith? Is there a work of media

1:04:09.120 --> 1:04:10.840
<v Speaker 3>that you've been enjoying? Many?

1:04:11.880 --> 1:04:15.240
<v Speaker 5>And I will say, you know, I we watch. We've

1:04:15.280 --> 1:04:18.520
<v Speaker 5>already mentioned many of them, obviously, the new Tim Robinson

1:04:19.360 --> 1:04:22.720
<v Speaker 5>works and the Nathan Fielder the second season.

1:04:22.400 --> 1:04:23.080
<v Speaker 3>Of The.

1:04:28.040 --> 1:04:30.440
<v Speaker 5>We Might we might be one behind. I just realized.

1:04:30.440 --> 1:04:34.080
<v Speaker 5>So that's exciting to think about. But I will say

1:04:34.280 --> 1:04:37.040
<v Speaker 5>one piece of media that I've been really loving. I

1:04:37.080 --> 1:04:39.400
<v Speaker 5>don't know if you guys read comic books, but the

1:04:39.560 --> 1:04:43.520
<v Speaker 5>DC Universe has a new, uh, a new universe of

1:04:43.840 --> 1:04:47.640
<v Speaker 5>comics that they call, uh, the Absolute Universe, the Absolute

1:04:47.680 --> 1:04:51.640
<v Speaker 5>d C. They've like begun again. You know, your classic

1:04:51.680 --> 1:04:54.560
<v Speaker 5>heroes you're like, but with a slight tweak to their

1:04:54.960 --> 1:04:58.200
<v Speaker 5>their origin story, like Superman comes to Earth as a

1:04:58.240 --> 1:05:01.880
<v Speaker 5>teenager instead of a baby, Batman only as one parent die,

1:05:02.200 --> 1:05:06.480
<v Speaker 5>and Wonder Woman gets raised not on the Amazon Island

1:05:06.520 --> 1:05:11.440
<v Speaker 5>but by Circe in the underworld. The realm of Hades,

1:05:11.640 --> 1:05:13.920
<v Speaker 5>and so that's the one. They're all really great. I

1:05:13.960 --> 1:05:16.800
<v Speaker 5>really like Jason Aaron is an incredible writer who's writing

1:05:17.800 --> 1:05:19.840
<v Speaker 5>the Superman one, the Batman one.

1:05:19.880 --> 1:05:22.600
<v Speaker 6>He's also not rich, right, isn't that one of that That's correct?

1:05:22.600 --> 1:05:25.320
<v Speaker 6>He is he is so much he is not rich.

1:05:25.400 --> 1:05:28.680
<v Speaker 6>It's really there's so many distinctions. It's really cool. Like

1:05:28.720 --> 1:05:31.360
<v Speaker 6>the art is incredible, the writing is incredible. The of

1:05:31.400 --> 1:05:33.800
<v Speaker 6>those three, like, I love them all, but the wonder

1:05:33.840 --> 1:05:36.800
<v Speaker 6>Woman one is really it's the art is so beautiful

1:05:37.040 --> 1:05:40.200
<v Speaker 6>and she's such a wonderful, pure character. I'll just share

1:05:40.280 --> 1:05:43.160
<v Speaker 6>here's one interaction she has it that I think is like,

1:05:43.440 --> 1:05:46.720
<v Speaker 6>you know, not representative of the entire story. Like the

1:05:46.840 --> 1:05:50.120
<v Speaker 6>entire story is like gigantic and beautiful in many ways.

1:05:50.440 --> 1:05:51.960
<v Speaker 6>But she's talking to Steve Trevor.

1:05:52.000 --> 1:05:54.000
<v Speaker 5>I believe Steve, like you know, the main in the

1:05:54.000 --> 1:05:56.720
<v Speaker 5>original story, he like washes up on the island and

1:05:56.760 --> 1:05:59.320
<v Speaker 5>she like helps him and protects him and becomes you know,

1:05:59.440 --> 1:06:02.000
<v Speaker 5>friends with him, lovers with him, and he's like a

1:06:02.040 --> 1:06:04.560
<v Speaker 5>good a good man from the real world, the one

1:06:04.600 --> 1:06:08.840
<v Speaker 5>good man from the world outside of her island. But

1:06:08.880 --> 1:06:11.360
<v Speaker 5>so in this one, she meets him and they're about

1:06:11.400 --> 1:06:14.720
<v Speaker 5>the same height. And he's like, wow, you're really tall

1:06:15.200 --> 1:06:17.320
<v Speaker 5>and she's like, you're the same height as me. And

1:06:17.360 --> 1:06:19.760
<v Speaker 5>he's like, oh yes, but where I come from, I'm

1:06:19.800 --> 1:06:22.800
<v Speaker 5>really tall, and women where I come from like almost

1:06:22.840 --> 1:06:26.000
<v Speaker 5>no one is as tall as uh as me or you.

1:06:26.240 --> 1:06:30.600
<v Speaker 5>And she says is that important? And he's like, uh,

1:06:31.080 --> 1:06:32.960
<v Speaker 5>I guess not. And she's like, great, will you tell

1:06:32.960 --> 1:06:35.320
<v Speaker 5>me more things about where you come from that are important?

1:06:35.520 --> 1:06:38.880
<v Speaker 5>As like what an incredible? Like you know, it's funny,

1:06:39.240 --> 1:06:43.200
<v Speaker 5>it's like pure hearted, it's compassionate, it's about, you know,

1:06:43.920 --> 1:06:48.560
<v Speaker 5>commenting on women's bodies, commenting on people's appearances in a

1:06:48.600 --> 1:06:53.440
<v Speaker 5>way that like it's so simple and effective and funny

1:06:53.520 --> 1:06:57.120
<v Speaker 5>and cool and beautiful. So yeah, I would recommend of

1:06:57.200 --> 1:06:59.960
<v Speaker 5>My piece of media that I've been really enjoying is

1:07:00.440 --> 1:07:03.440
<v Speaker 5>Absolute wonder Woman by I believe the author Kelly Thompson.

1:07:03.680 --> 1:07:06.880
<v Speaker 3>Nice, Nice Andrew. Where can people find You? Is their

1:07:06.920 --> 1:07:08.240
<v Speaker 3>working media you've been enjoying?

1:07:08.320 --> 1:07:10.680
<v Speaker 4>Oh god, Andrew t everywhere.

1:07:10.760 --> 1:07:13.400
<v Speaker 2>I have a new podcast called starter Trek that is

1:07:13.680 --> 1:07:17.800
<v Speaker 2>a premium podcast on you can get it on suboptimal

1:07:17.840 --> 1:07:18.720
<v Speaker 2>pods dot com, which is.

1:07:18.680 --> 1:07:20.720
<v Speaker 4>Our yos is racist thing doesn't matter.

1:07:21.440 --> 1:07:25.800
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, my podcast co host Tany Newsome Trek Royalty,

1:07:26.360 --> 1:07:30.360
<v Speaker 2>and she's basically walking me through. We're doing all the

1:07:30.400 --> 1:07:33.800
<v Speaker 2>pilots for the Star Trek episodes right now.

1:07:33.880 --> 1:07:36.040
<v Speaker 4>I don't know. You can see clips on our social media.

1:07:36.640 --> 1:07:39.400
<v Speaker 4>I'm really happy. It's really fun to do. I like

1:07:39.480 --> 1:07:41.400
<v Speaker 4>Star Trek, but I don't know jack shit about it.

1:07:41.440 --> 1:07:43.040
<v Speaker 4>That's where I am. There you go.

1:07:43.600 --> 1:07:44.240
<v Speaker 3>Sounds great.

1:07:44.280 --> 1:07:45.360
<v Speaker 4>Oh and piece of media.

1:07:45.520 --> 1:07:47.600
<v Speaker 2>Piece of media is it's per Simon season in Los

1:07:47.640 --> 1:07:49.280
<v Speaker 2>Angeles and I'm eating the shit out of the per

1:07:49.320 --> 1:07:50.240
<v Speaker 2>Simmons are so good.

1:07:50.760 --> 1:07:58.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there you go. Some of my favorite media. You

1:07:58.360 --> 1:08:00.720
<v Speaker 3>can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien on

1:08:00.760 --> 1:08:03.440
<v Speaker 3>Blue Sky at Jack o b the Number One. I

1:08:03.560 --> 1:08:07.000
<v Speaker 3>enjoyed a tweet from Respectful huff that said comedians and

1:08:07.040 --> 1:08:09.640
<v Speaker 3>cars eating cars. They have to eat the cars. They

1:08:09.680 --> 1:08:12.600
<v Speaker 3>have to eat their way out all capitalize. That's the

1:08:12.640 --> 1:08:15.000
<v Speaker 3>name of the show. So that's that's a work of

1:08:15.040 --> 1:08:18.120
<v Speaker 3>media that doesn't exist. Great tweet, I tell you one

1:08:18.160 --> 1:08:21.680
<v Speaker 3>damn thing. I'd be enjoying it if that did. You

1:08:21.720 --> 1:08:25.800
<v Speaker 3>can find us on Twitter and Blue Sky at Daily Zeitgeist.

1:08:25.960 --> 1:08:28.360
<v Speaker 3>We're at d Daily Zeigeist on Instagram. You can go

1:08:28.400 --> 1:08:30.519
<v Speaker 3>to the description of this episode wherever you're listening to it,

1:08:30.560 --> 1:08:33.000
<v Speaker 3>and they're at the bottom you will find the footnotes,

1:08:33.400 --> 1:08:35.160
<v Speaker 3>which where we link off to the information that we

1:08:35.160 --> 1:08:37.240
<v Speaker 3>talked about in today's episode. We also link off to

1:08:37.280 --> 1:08:41.000
<v Speaker 3>a song that we think you might enjoy. With Miles out,

1:08:41.040 --> 1:08:44.880
<v Speaker 3>we usually ask super producer Justin Connor, is there a

1:08:45.000 --> 1:08:47.040
<v Speaker 3>song that you think the people might enjoy.

1:08:47.640 --> 1:08:51.479
<v Speaker 7>Yeah. This song is called Sunset Canyon by Fox Warren,

1:08:51.640 --> 1:08:55.080
<v Speaker 7>and it's really fun to listen to because in my view,

1:08:55.120 --> 1:08:58.240
<v Speaker 7>there's two ways I've seen a steel guitar applied to music,

1:08:58.280 --> 1:09:00.639
<v Speaker 7>and it can either add like a rough stick feeling

1:09:00.680 --> 1:09:04.000
<v Speaker 7>to a song or a relaxing, vintage surfer vibe, and

1:09:04.120 --> 1:09:07.920
<v Speaker 7>this manages to do both in my opinion. If someone

1:09:08.000 --> 1:09:10.479
<v Speaker 7>lives in like a seaside log cabin, this is the

1:09:10.520 --> 1:09:14.240
<v Speaker 7>song for you. It's a nice, chilled out mood for

1:09:14.320 --> 1:09:17.360
<v Speaker 7>a sunny autumn afternoon. For anyone else who doesn't have

1:09:17.439 --> 1:09:20.919
<v Speaker 7>a seaside log cabin. But this song is called Sunset

1:09:20.960 --> 1:09:23.320
<v Speaker 7>Canyon by Fox Warren, and you can find that song

1:09:23.360 --> 1:09:24.720
<v Speaker 7>in the footnotes footnotes.

1:09:24.760 --> 1:09:26.639
<v Speaker 3>The Daily Eszite Guys is a production of by Heart Radio.

1:09:26.680 --> 1:09:29.120
<v Speaker 3>For more podcasts from My Heart Radio, visit Yeah Heart Radio, Wrap,

1:09:29.160 --> 1:09:31.120
<v Speaker 3>Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

1:09:31.120 --> 1:09:33.640
<v Speaker 3>That's gonna do it for us this morning. We are

1:09:33.840 --> 1:09:35.760
<v Speaker 3>back this afternoon to tell you what is trending, and

1:09:35.800 --> 1:09:37.000
<v Speaker 3>we will talk to you all then.

1:09:37.240 --> 1:09:41.679
<v Speaker 1>By The Daily Zeit Guys is executive produced by Catherine Long.

1:09:41.800 --> 1:09:45.759
<v Speaker 4>Co produced by Bee Wang, co produced by Victor Wright

1:09:46.160 --> 1:09:50.120
<v Speaker 3>Co written by j M McNabb, edited and engineered by

1:09:50.280 --> 1:09:50.960
<v Speaker 3>Justin Connor.