Speaker 1: So we've been watching Alien Earth for a few weeks
Speaker 1: behind the curve there. But my husband said the words,
Speaker 1: said the phrase because I was like, did xenomorphs always
Speaker 1: just look like a guy running around in a xenomorph suit?
Speaker 1: And yeah, he goes, xenomorphs are part human and I
Speaker 1: was like, well, obviously I understand the provenance of alien
Speaker 1: DNA and xenomorph DNA, and I'm like, well, they share
Speaker 1: DNA with humans. He said, they are part human, which
Speaker 1: I disagree with, and I need your your Oh.
Speaker 2: I think originally it was that they're part like whatever
Speaker 2: got face hugged, but now with Prometheus, I think they're
Speaker 2: just straight up part human. Yeah, all right, all right,
Speaker 2: I think I think because that was what that was,
Speaker 2: what happened, That's what poor Numi was it newly Repace?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, was she was it?
Speaker 2: Whoever it was? Whoever it was at the end the
Speaker 2: end of Prometheus. Basically you only see her corpse in
Speaker 2: Alien Covenant. But yeah, so her corpse this DNA. I
Speaker 2: guess presumably it's it's implied that it's her eggs got
Speaker 2: turned into the alien eggs, but you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that's that's now just like part of
Speaker 2: it is like every alien has I believe new me repaced.
Speaker 4: We could have looked this up, but I'm not going to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it has a little bit of new me repaced
Speaker 2: DNA in them.
Speaker 1: Okay, and she's a human, so yeah.
Speaker 4: That's because of old David.
Speaker 2: But she's also though, a straight up creationist who somehow
Speaker 2: believes in xenobiology. So the character or the Yeah, there's
Speaker 2: multiple points in Prometheus where they're like, we're doing this,
Speaker 2: you know the how okay for God with a capital
Speaker 2: gene says we're says for letting.
Speaker 3: Me like yeah, yeah, yeah, you can keep talking.
Speaker 2: We're no, And multiple points of Prometheus they're basically like,
Speaker 2: oh God did this, and it's like, you're a goddamn biologist.
Speaker 2: What the hell are you talking about?
Speaker 4: Hi?
Speaker 3: Mike, Hello, Hi, we're furious over here about uh Prometheus.
Speaker 3: I'm really sorry to hear that. Yeah, thanks for doing
Speaker 3: the show, Yeah, thanks for having me. Are you an
Speaker 3: alien fan Aliens in general?
Speaker 5: Yes, the alien movies and stories specifically, I've seen some,
Speaker 5: and I would say I have enjoyed.
Speaker 3: But if you're an Aliens fan, then you are. Then
Speaker 3: maybe I'm not one. I'm not, but I just know
Speaker 3: too much about this ship.
Speaker 5: That's that's very interesting to know a lot about something
Speaker 5: that you're not a fan of.
Speaker 4: Really, I got, I got. Really, people are really bad.
Speaker 2: At me over the things I said about Alien on
Speaker 2: the last promo clip these guys put out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, was pissed.
Speaker 3: Because I wasn't our point just that they're not a
Speaker 3: good weapon, they're not the perfect killing machine.
Speaker 2: My point, the point that I thought was being made,
Speaker 2: was the freaks in the Alien movies who are like,
Speaker 2: what a what an amazing organism? Those guys are wrong.
Speaker 2: That was my point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry you God for that.
Speaker 4: I liked it. Is it?
Speaker 5: Is it possible that when you try to make a
Speaker 5: nuanced point on the Internet there might be some people
Speaker 5: who respond as though they don't understand the exact nuanced
Speaker 5: point you're trying to make.
Speaker 4: Is that to you?
Speaker 3: It's definitely a theory. You're good and they're bad. I
Speaker 3: get it, Yet I can't be that. Hello the Internet,
Speaker 3: and welcome to season four to fourteen, episode three.
Speaker 4: Of Dirty Zi Guys Job.
Speaker 3: There's a production of Iheartradios, the podcast where we take
Speaker 3: a deep dove into American share consciousness, and it is Wednesday,
Speaker 3: November twelfth, twenty twenty five. My name is Jack O'Brien
Speaker 3: aka Potatoes O'Brien, and I'm thrilled to be joined in
Speaker 3: our second seat today by today's special guest co host,
Speaker 3: a hilarious and brilliant producer and TV writer. You know
Speaker 3: him from the US This racist podcast, a new star
Speaker 3: Trek podcast that I'm thinking he'll probably tell us about.
Speaker 4: It's Andrew D.
Speaker 3: I'm guessing he's contractually obligated.
Speaker 4: I forgot to doing AKAA come up with one.
Speaker 2: But I'm just very clearly I am the way to
Speaker 2: obsessed with alien biology, alien of all kinds. So that's right.
Speaker 2: The fucking scientist is in the house. What's up, my
Speaker 2: the fake scientist is here.
Speaker 3: That's rightationist scientists. Andrew T. Andrew wre thrilled to be
Speaker 3: joined by a very funny comedian who you've seen on
Speaker 3: basically every TV show that has ever featured stand up comedy.
Speaker 3: Doing stand up comedy is a very funny stand up.
Speaker 3: His newest special is out next week on YouTube. His
Speaker 3: two podcasts are The Faucet and Broccoli and ice Cream.
Speaker 3: Please welcome Mike Capwa. So happy to be here.
Speaker 5: Mike Kaplan AKA, a guy whose last album that came
Speaker 5: out was called Aka, and a guy who will point
Speaker 5: out that Andrew T and Aliens have the exact same
Speaker 5: vowels in that A and I and an E, so
Speaker 5: we're not so different.
Speaker 4: You and Aliens.
Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, thanks so much for having me a
Speaker 3: pleasure to thank you for being here, an amazing I
Speaker 3: for the vowels and people's gimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, vowel expert, that's right, you know all five.
Speaker 5: And sometimes and even sometimes doub you in certain situations.
Speaker 4: Why how come single you gets to.
Speaker 5: Be a vowel all the time, but double the single vowel.
Speaker 5: I'm coming here to ask questions that no one cares about.
Speaker 3: So real wants to answer because no one cares to answer.
Speaker 5: Some comedians say the things that everyone's afraid to say.
Speaker 5: I say the thing that everyone it's similar, but for
Speaker 5: a different reason.
Speaker 3: They're afraid of what it would do to their career.
Speaker 3: Sometimes a vowel is that.
Speaker 5: In the English language, not so much, but in other
Speaker 5: languages sometimes here's the way that I did. I studied
Speaker 5: linguistics in college and all such fu. Yes, so the
Speaker 5: way that why is sometimes a vowel is that it's
Speaker 5: basically the same as the letter I or the E
Speaker 5: sound in consonant position. So you know, if the word
Speaker 5: starts with A with a y, it's as if you
Speaker 5: just said e, like yes is yes?
Speaker 4: You just say yes?
Speaker 3: It is like an E and anything that starts with a.
Speaker 5: Exactly, and it is basically the same when anything starts
Speaker 5: with A with a sound, with a W sound, it's
Speaker 5: basically you're starting with an ooh, you know, like like
Speaker 5: what are we talking about? What are we talking about?
Speaker 5: You know, So it is as much theoretically as much.
Speaker 5: But for whatever reason, you know, we put why's in
Speaker 5: vowel positions sometimes like in a tryst or a myth.
Speaker 5: You know, the the why is the only vowel. I
Speaker 5: don't know if there are any. Here here's the place
Speaker 5: I figured it out as I was talking about it.
Speaker 5: Here's the one place in the English language at least
Speaker 5: where W acts as a vowel, no other vowels in
Speaker 5: the word, and it is the verd P W N
Speaker 5: pone and our consonants W. I just anyone thought that
Speaker 5: I couldn't name it, you just got poned.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, if you're a graphic designer
Speaker 2: from the mid two thousands.
Speaker 4: V is also a vowel.
Speaker 3: Just you know, that makes a lot of sense because
Speaker 3: V is for vowel.
Speaker 4: Looks like you.
Speaker 3: Rules such a such a great about universe of information that.
Speaker 5: We've just you guys talk about the zeitgeist. But I'm like,
Speaker 5: we're gonna do my zeitgeist.
Speaker 3: Okay, the Kathlin Zeitgeist. We're going to get to know
Speaker 3: you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're
Speaker 3: going to tell the listeners a couple of things we're
Speaker 3: talking about. We've got a broad theory that I'm working
Speaker 3: on on that, like, as billionaires and people in the
Speaker 3: Trump administration become more and more isolated, we're just getting
Speaker 3: like a more and more entertaining look at what the
Speaker 3: inside of their brains look like, like what every everybody
Speaker 3: thinks is cool. We got Jeff Bezos entering some like
Speaker 3: stadium and on PEP rally through a laser tube flanked
Speaker 3: by late saber wielding guards. And then more importantly, Joyce
Speaker 3: Carol Oates telling Elon Musk who he was on Twitter
Speaker 3: and him like, we're having a really hard time dealing
Speaker 3: with that. So we'll talk about that. It's a little
Speaker 3: update to the new Emperor has Emperor's New Clothes era
Speaker 3: that we're living in. We're also going to talk about
Speaker 3: Target is forcing employees to smile, and they have new
Speaker 3: rules around this, like with if you're within ten feet,
Speaker 3: you have to do this, if you're within four feet
Speaker 3: you have to do this. And I think it's good. No,
Speaker 3: I think I think it sounds terrifying. And I want
Speaker 3: to just talk about the phenomenon of the artificial smile
Speaker 3: because it's been exported from America to other countries with
Speaker 3: varying degrees of damage and like surreal weirdness, all that
Speaker 3: plenty more. But first, Mike, we do like to ask
Speaker 3: our guests, what is something from your search history that's
Speaker 3: revealing about.
Speaker 4: Who you are?
Speaker 5: Sure I in preparation for this, I opened up Google
Speaker 5: dot com and I'll tell you, Uh the here's the
Speaker 5: the first several things stop me anytime.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: The most recent thing that I searched was literally my
Speaker 5: own album A K. A. Because I wanted to get
Speaker 5: a link for it to put in a newsletter where
Speaker 5: I was mentioning it.
Speaker 3: Uh So, look into my head is like, what's in there?
Speaker 5: Me? But next up is uh, Pips New York Times,
Speaker 5: the new game. I don't know if you guys are
Speaker 5: familiar with the new game Pips in the New York
Speaker 5: Times suite of app uh, you know the game app
Speaker 5: games that feature like Wordle and spelling Bee, Pips is
Speaker 5: a new one. Like Pips refers to the dots on dominoes,
Speaker 5: and so it's like it's like a.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like ken Ken but with dominoes.
Speaker 5: So it's like or like Sudoku but with math, but
Speaker 5: with domino So that's a fun game that every every
Speaker 5: midnight a new one becomes available. And my girlfriend Renie
Speaker 5: and I went out. If we're you know whatever, we're
Speaker 5: re usually watching something and one of us will note, oh,
Speaker 5: it's Pips time, so we'll pause, and I will. For
Speaker 5: whatever reason, I don't just go into the app. I
Speaker 5: just go into Google and search. It autocompletes Pips New
Speaker 5: York Times, So that is that is there. Then I
Speaker 5: put in Panda Kitchen Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania, which is a restaurant
Speaker 5: indoors my mom and I we live. My mom lives
Speaker 5: in New Jersey. I live in New York City. We
Speaker 5: both love the comedian Paul Riser. His special was the
Speaker 5: first one I ever saw when I was thirteen and
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety one, we saw him lie I opened for him.
Speaker 4: I know from a right that makes sense.
Speaker 5: Of course, it's all connected, but his I mean, he's
Speaker 5: been in whiplash, he's been in stranger things, and the
Speaker 5: boys like his acting career is really thriving, and his
Speaker 5: stand up has been solid for as long as he
Speaker 5: been doing.
Speaker 3: He's wonderful.
Speaker 5: Saw him live a couple of years ago, and my
Speaker 5: mom and I were driving with our partners to go
Speaker 5: see him in Pennsylvania, just like an hour and a
Speaker 5: half away, and my mom I was tasked with locating
Speaker 5: a restaurant where I, a vegan and my girlfriend, a
Speaker 5: vegan who is allergic to gluten, can eat in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 5: In that place turns out to maybe be Panda Kitchen, Stroudsburg.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 5: I also looked up Nicki Glazer's SNL monologue. She is
Speaker 5: a friend who I love, and I was so excited
Speaker 5: to see.
Speaker 4: Her on there.
Speaker 5: And then also House of Dynamite White House Press Lady,
Speaker 5: because my girlfriend Reenie and I watched House of Dynamite
Speaker 5: on Netflix last night and she was like, I recognize
Speaker 5: that person. Where else do we know her from? And
Speaker 5: so I looked her up and found out where we
Speaker 5: knew her from.
Speaker 3: Do you do the guessing? She like, don't tell me yet,
Speaker 3: don't tell me she.
Speaker 5: Is was incredible. She is amazing at like even just
Speaker 5: if it's the eye. Like we were watching the Superman
Speaker 5: movie a week or two ago and she had never
Speaker 5: I saw it in the theater and I did not
Speaker 5: recognize this guy. But she's like, is that bald guy Hank?
Speaker 5: And at first I was like lex Luthor Hank from
Speaker 5: Breaking Bad. No, not at all, but bald, the bald
Speaker 5: guy who was the element man. Uh, you know, the
Speaker 5: guy who could change part of his body into crypt
Speaker 5: kryptonnight and such. He is the same guy who played
Speaker 5: Hank No Ho Hank in Barry Yes, so much makeup
Speaker 5: on Even when she said was, I was like, I
Speaker 5: still almost don't see it. Reney has incredible powers of observation.
Speaker 3: Friends with that guy, the guy who plays no Hoo Hank.
Speaker 3: He's like a you know, family friends through and I
Speaker 3: didn't know he was said, that's how deep he is
Speaker 3: under makeup.
Speaker 4: He's so incredible.
Speaker 5: No Hohank character is so he's like one of my
Speaker 5: favorite Greeings, my favorite characters in any any already so fun.
Speaker 5: So tell tell your family to tell his family to
Speaker 5: tell him that I like it.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, wait, Mike, going back real quick, not real quick,
Speaker 2: to the to the vegan and Chinese restaurant thing. And
Speaker 2: this this might be a thing you already know, but
Speaker 2: it's a thing that I was told when I went
Speaker 2: to Asia that I really liked. Which is that for
Speaker 2: in Asia, especially in China, where they do have a
Speaker 2: lot of trouble, like really really really understanding, Like no,
Speaker 2: I seriously don't want any meat in this for real.
Speaker 4: You can tell people you're Buddhist.
Speaker 5: Ah, and that's I am more Buddhist than many people. Yes,
Speaker 5: though here's here's how a Buddhist I am. Like, I
Speaker 5: don't want to say that I am one, because previously
Speaker 5: I would have said Buddhist as well, like a chump,
Speaker 5: you know, like a chump.
Speaker 4: But I love I've read a lot.
Speaker 5: I have a good friend who is a practicing Buddhist
Speaker 5: who's taken you know, layperson vows like I have not
Speaker 5: taken the vows myself. I would not claim to be
Speaker 5: a Buddhist because I'm worried that people would say, oh,
Speaker 5: you're a Buddhist.
Speaker 3: Name three of their albums. Yeah, I do love you know.
Speaker 5: I've read a lot of Tick not Han and pay
Speaker 5: my show Drum and Uh, Suzuki Roshi one of my
Speaker 5: you know favorite like you know, teachers. And I have
Speaker 5: this book of things that he has said that his
Speaker 5: like students have reported, and one of them he said,
Speaker 5: he said, Uh, for a non Buddhist, there are non
Speaker 5: Buddhists and Buddhists, but for a Buddhist, everyone is a Buddhist,
Speaker 5: including bugs, you know, just like we're all We're all
Speaker 5: in this together, even the bugs.
Speaker 2: I'm realizing as you say this, because because I was
Speaker 2: told this advice and I'm not vegan, but it was
Speaker 2: just given to I was on like a trip in
Speaker 2: college and dah dah dah, and this was given to
Speaker 2: a white person who was a vegetarian who was having
Speaker 2: trouble not getting pork in their stuff.
Speaker 4: And I'm realizing.
Speaker 2: I think the choral to that is, if you're a
Speaker 2: white person who says you're a Buddhist, you're not going
Speaker 2: to get follow up questions, but they'll still serve you
Speaker 2: vegan stuff. Because they will kind of roll their eyes
Speaker 2: and be like, Okay, we get what they want, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, appreciate it. I'll share one one more plug for
Speaker 5: a Buddhist teacher who began life as a and continued
Speaker 5: life as a Jewish woman, a culturally Jewish woman at least,
Speaker 5: named Sylvia Borstein. And she has a book that I
Speaker 5: believe is entitled That's Funny You don't look Buddhist so perfect?
Speaker 4: That's the perfect.
Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing, But thank you, thank you for the tip.
Speaker 3: I will use it. Mike, what's something you think is underrated?
Speaker 5: So under I know that I saw I remember that
Speaker 5: this question was going to be coming. I have a
Speaker 5: few answers. My first answer is a thing that I
Speaker 5: love that I feel like it's so interesting to talk
Speaker 5: about things as overrated and underrated when I feel like
Speaker 5: all of these things are relative. Where, you know, especially today,
Speaker 5: when your algorithm will you know, prop gate and perpetuate
Speaker 5: the things that you like or that maybe you don't
Speaker 5: even know that you are clicking on and engaging with.
Speaker 5: And you say to somebody like, why is my computer
Speaker 5: why does my phone keep showing me this? It's like, well,
Speaker 5: because of you, you know, you have revealed something about
Speaker 5: yourself and there's less of a monoculture today. So, like,
Speaker 5: I mean, one answer that I would say for myself personally,
Speaker 5: I love advice columns, and I think that most people
Speaker 5: don't think about, or care about, or read or engage
Speaker 5: with advice columns or podcasts as much as I do.
Speaker 4: We're out there.
Speaker 3: I'm not the only one. I'm not innovating it.
Speaker 5: But I think, based on my tastes, I love advice
Speaker 5: columns and would love to and think that they are
Speaker 5: thus because of that underrated.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're definitely having a resurgence of the podcast space,
Speaker 3: Like it is a type like a format that has
Speaker 3: been coming back, I think because it's a way to
Speaker 3: engage with other people that isn't the news, you know,
Speaker 3: like that which people are just like, ah, I want
Speaker 3: to hear about like messy drama that like isn't about
Speaker 3: the fact that the world is dying, And so yeah,
Speaker 3: let me hear about the politics of your workplace, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean?
Speaker 5: And oh absolutely, And there's some that are so specific
Speaker 5: like specifically with the politics of workplace, Like there's a
Speaker 5: podcast I think she used to have a podcast, but
Speaker 5: definitely has a column Alison Green, and her column is
Speaker 5: called ask a Manager, and like, I'm not even I
Speaker 5: don't work in a quote unquote workplace.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't have HR. I don't have you know,
Speaker 3: a boss and a grand boss.
Speaker 5: And yet ultimately, at the at the root, all of
Speaker 5: these questions are like, you know, questions about guidelines of
Speaker 5: how to live as a human being, how to get
Speaker 5: along with other people, Like there's you know, relationships, It's
Speaker 5: all very human and relatable. Even if the question is like,
Speaker 5: you know, my boss did this specific thing, shouldn't I
Speaker 5: get paid more for? Like I know, one of the
Speaker 5: questions we address later. Oh also, just real quick, do
Speaker 5: you think that I know we're going to get into
Speaker 5: this later. Do you think that Jeff Bezos is following
Speaker 5: the target model of like, hey, everyone, when I come
Speaker 5: out surrounded by lightsabers, smile if you're within one million
Speaker 5: miles of me, smile.
Speaker 3: Or is he like look scared.
Speaker 4: Before me?
Speaker 3: Because the way, like everything I've heard about Amazon, like
Speaker 3: being an Amazon executive, is that people are openly crying
Speaker 3: in their offices, like because of how like brutal it
Speaker 3: is to work there, like at the high level, not
Speaker 3: just like on the you know, factory floors. So I
Speaker 3: wonder if he has like a different kink where he's like,
Speaker 3: you better not smile.
Speaker 2: What is that he is knowing which side? I bet
Speaker 2: he makes no rules. It's just like everyone who doesn't
Speaker 2: do what he already wants get gets a little fired.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people get fired so quick at Amazon, a little fired.
Speaker 3: That's but yes, it felt the columns.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I just think that we all, you know,
Speaker 5: in life, at various points, are trying to figure out
Speaker 5: what to do in you know, in general or in
Speaker 5: specific situations. You know, some of us have friends that
Speaker 5: we go to. Some of us, you know, might look
Speaker 5: to various community enterprises you're a part of, be it
Speaker 5: you know, a religious affiliation or you know, just your
Speaker 5: your group text or what have you. And yeah, I
Speaker 5: think and I'm not saying that I get all of
Speaker 5: my how I live my life from advice coms. I
Speaker 5: just I do love. There's some element also of sometimes
Speaker 5: a person writing in is the unbeknownst to them, villain
Speaker 5: of the story, you know, the the am I the
Speaker 5: asshole without realizing that they might in fact be the asshole.
Speaker 5: And sometimes to see, you know, a person who is
Speaker 5: the wronging party, the more harmful person in a situation complaining,
Speaker 5: you know, the the one percent being like, hey, the
Speaker 5: ninety nine percent has taken one percent of my one percent,
Speaker 5: you know, in my mind, like what what can I
Speaker 5: do about this? And to see you know, come up
Speaker 5: and delivered or just you know, a deliver it's just yeah,
Speaker 5: it's there, can be, it could be. I have to
Speaker 5: be careful because I don't want to just slide down
Speaker 5: into a realm of judgment. Because I want everyone to
Speaker 5: live their their best, happiest, most productive, you know, most peaceful,
Speaker 5: healthy life. And you know, sometimes for me that involves
Speaker 5: a little bit of schadenfreude, but I'm much more I'm
Speaker 5: much more into freuden freude, which is taking joy in
Speaker 5: other people's joy, which is I like to see when
Speaker 5: people figure out what to do and learn and improve
Speaker 5: and atone and make amends. So yeah, advice columns like
Speaker 5: you don't all you don't have to be into them,
Speaker 5: but I I'm not advising anyone, but I advise myself
Speaker 5: to continue enjoying advice columns.
Speaker 3: The underrated answer to your question.
Speaker 2: And that's like the best advice columns do. It's not
Speaker 2: the specific advice right, it's like the train of thought.
Speaker 2: I feel like the best advice columnists can even just
Speaker 2: get to the point where like I might be wrong,
Speaker 2: but right and then.
Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, I mean my I feel like the for
Speaker 5: many people, like the OG advice columnists were Dear Abby
Speaker 5: and Anne Landers, and so certainly I did read them
Speaker 5: growing up, but at a certain point, I feel like
Speaker 5: there's so many people occupying the space. Like Dan Savage
Speaker 5: was my first like advice columnist who I loved reading
Speaker 5: as like I think I found him in college and
Speaker 5: so I've been reading him for you know, two and
Speaker 5: a half decades and listening to his podcast. And he
Speaker 5: brings on experts when the question. If the question is
Speaker 5: about something relating to drag, he'll bring on, you know,
Speaker 5: a drag performer. If it's about trans rights, he will
Speaker 5: bring on a trans guest. If it's about you know,
Speaker 5: racial issues, I don't know, like Andrew, have you been
Speaker 5: on the show, Yeah, yeah, yeah, But I feel like,
Speaker 5: you know, he'll bring on people who have expertise in
Speaker 5: a thing. If it's like he's like, I'm a white person,
Speaker 5: I'm a man, this is the question.
Speaker 4: About, you know, not my lane.
Speaker 5: I'm going to bring somebody in whose lane it is
Speaker 5: so and there's just some people who have expertise and
Speaker 5: like are really like adults in that they've put in
Speaker 5: the time and work and effort, and so it's a
Speaker 5: really it's a really cool thing. And then every once
Speaker 5: in a while, like there will be obviously sometimes the
Speaker 5: advice will apply. Like I remember, I don't remember who
Speaker 5: the guest was, but I was listening to the Dear
Speaker 5: Prudence podcast, uh several years ago, and this is I've
Speaker 5: seen this other places other times, but they offered this idea,
Speaker 5: which is just never compare your insides to someone else's outsides.
Speaker 5: If you know, if you're looking at somebody's social media
Speaker 5: feed and be like, wow, why are they why is
Speaker 5: everyone happy except for me? Well, because you're looking at
Speaker 5: the photos that they took one thousand shots to get
Speaker 5: the right one, and you're comparing it to your like,
Speaker 5: you don't know every time they were like, damn it
Speaker 5: didn't get that one, Damn it didn't get that one.
Speaker 3: Just standing there, smile on their face, going checking this thing,
Speaker 3: stone faced, going back, smile on their face, going back,
Speaker 3: checking the stone face.
Speaker 5: They're doing the target thing to themselves. They're like, okay, smile,
Speaker 5: we're in four feet of this bone.
Speaker 4: Smile. You can do it. Let's get it.
Speaker 5: But yeah, we know, we know our cockpit, you know,
Speaker 5: we see every dial and lever and button and you know,
Speaker 5: emergency light. But for everyone else, it's just the outside
Speaker 5: of the plane or like that plane looks like it
Speaker 5: knows what it's doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a fighter jet. Look at that thing. Wow,
Speaker 3: I'm a lover, not a fighter jet.
Speaker 2: But you know, also alternately, if you're a jet, if
Speaker 2: you're a listen you're probably not listening to this if
Speaker 2: you're this kind of person. But if you have the
Speaker 2: exact opposite personality as Mike, you can also find advice
Speaker 2: columns that just tell.
Speaker 4: You women are the problems for all your problems. So
Speaker 4: that is also available, also available.
Speaker 5: It is an art form like many others, like I'm
Speaker 5: a stand up comedian, and stand up comedy is not
Speaker 5: a monolith. Obviously, you can find people, you know. There's
Speaker 5: obviously the alt right comedy verse, which is, uh, you know,
Speaker 5: who's the force is strong with them these days, you know,
Speaker 5: the Darth Sith lords of comedy. But then there's also,
Speaker 5: of course, you're you're Maria Bamford's and a Parnaan Surla's
Speaker 5: and Tig Nataro's and Sarah Silverman's, you know, the kindness
Speaker 5: bosses of comedy, you know, the self reflective you know,
Speaker 5: discussing their own mental health and how we can all sincerely,
Speaker 5: I mean humorously, like hilariously address things, you know, from
Speaker 5: the inside. The people who are worried about having imposter
Speaker 5: syndrome who shouldn't have that where versus the people who
Speaker 5: don't have that worry who could stand to wonder if
Speaker 5: they have it?
Speaker 4: Possibly?
Speaker 5: But yes, and advice columnists are I'm sure no different,
Speaker 5: certainly there if you want, I bet there are some
Speaker 5: alt right podcast advice columns out there as well.
Speaker 3: I myself have not stumbled across them yet.
Speaker 2: You know, the thing that needs to be like distributed
Speaker 2: more than even money, I feel, is self doubt. We
Speaker 2: just need If we had an evening distribution of self
Speaker 2: doubt in the world, it would be everything so much better.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, there's this, there's this absolutely there's this
Speaker 5: thing that I love from the Talmud, which is, you know,
Speaker 5: collection of Jewish teachings and wisdom and what rabbis said
Speaker 5: about what other rabbis said, and there's this one thing
Speaker 5: in it where a rabbi says, I have a piece
Speaker 5: of paper in my pocket that says this world was
Speaker 5: created for you. And I have a piece of paper
Speaker 5: in my other pocket that says you are nothing but
Speaker 5: ash and dust, and so this world was created for you.
Speaker 5: You're nothing but ash and dust. Those are both true,
Speaker 5: valuable things to remember, Like if your head gets too big,
Speaker 5: remember you're also in the grandest scheme of the universe.
Speaker 5: You're You're not the center of it. You're not everything.
Speaker 5: There are other people, there are other beings, Like there
Speaker 5: is a whole world, you know, in infinity of universe
Speaker 5: that you were not a part of until you were
Speaker 5: born and won't be a part of for another billions
Speaker 5: of years.
Speaker 4: You are.
Speaker 3: If you think you're everything, maybe consider that you might
Speaker 3: be also a little bit closer to nothing.
Speaker 5: Whereas if you grow up and have the messages given
Speaker 5: you you are nothing. You are not worthwhile to be like, well,
Speaker 5: this world was created for you. You are the center
Speaker 5: of your own conscious experience. You deserve to be heard
Speaker 5: if you like you know. I don't mean to not
Speaker 5: to make this only about gender, but certainly people in
Speaker 5: our society, socialized as women, girls, female people in our society.
Speaker 5: You know, the the the ideas like, oh, you know,
Speaker 5: you're you're rewarded for being quiet, for acquiescing, for going along,
Speaker 5: for listening, for not taking up too much space, whereas
Speaker 5: you know, little boys and men and boys to men of.
Speaker 3: Course are our talk. Yes exactly, not boys to men.
Speaker 5: But you know, the especially and it's not only I'm
Speaker 5: sure it's every privileged group.
Speaker 3: It's not just men. It's also white people.
Speaker 5: It's also straight people, it's also able bodied people, it's
Speaker 5: also cisgender people. You know, when you are the majority
Speaker 5: or the salient appearance in society, like for myself, I
Speaker 5: am many of those things. You know, I am straight, cis, white,
Speaker 5: able bodied, you know, an American citizen from birth. You know,
Speaker 5: I have many privileges that I wasn't aware of until
Speaker 5: I started learning about them. And so for me, I
Speaker 5: was given growing up by my family and society. The
Speaker 5: thumb really pressed down hard on the side of the
Speaker 5: scale that said this world was created for you. And
Speaker 5: so when I started doing comedy and being an adult
Speaker 5: and meeting different people and who had different perspectives, I
Speaker 5: was like, oh, listening to other people also valuable for
Speaker 5: its own sake to have other people be heard and
Speaker 5: also learn more myself about experiences that are not my own.
Speaker 5: And so yeah, if you have started your life somewhere,
Speaker 5: or if you're at a point in your life where
Speaker 5: you are like not heard as much, then it feels
Speaker 5: it's important for you to learn to hopefully advocate for
Speaker 5: yourself and speak up and find people who affirm you
Speaker 5: and value you and support and endorse and celebrate. But
Speaker 5: for you know, for I'm a man, and there's a
Speaker 5: lot of us out there who could stand to learn
Speaker 5: the lesson. And not again, not just men and not
Speaker 5: all men, but yeah, the the So, if you've never
Speaker 5: self doubted, consider self doubt.
Speaker 4: Try it, try it, try it. You'll like it.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's super Bowl commercial for self doubt. Got Jesus
Speaker 3: one from the past two years. What about maybe some
Speaker 3: self doubt. Let's let's take a quick break, we'll come back,
Speaker 3: we'll do your overrate and get into some news.
Speaker 4: And we're back and.
Speaker 3: Mike, we do like task our guests, what's something you
Speaker 3: think is overrated?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so, I guess my shortest answer could be sports.
Speaker 5: But that's I understand there are many beautiful stories and
Speaker 5: families and friendships and connections people have to it just personally,
Speaker 5: that's not where my I, you know, understanding and connection
Speaker 5: to you know, to society and humanity live absolutely. But
Speaker 5: I'll also say, sort of as a combo overrated underrated,
Speaker 5: I would say overrated is comedy that other people like.
Speaker 5: Underrated is comedy that you yourself like, like truly, that
Speaker 5: is what I say with respect, like whoever it is,
Speaker 5: whoever that because and here's the thing. It's not to
Speaker 5: say that there's some really popular comedians who are great
Speaker 5: and I love, and yet they're even at a certain
Speaker 5: point like that, probably you don't stop when you're rated
Speaker 5: exactly the right amount. Like you know, if if Kevin
Speaker 5: Hart's your guy, like maybe you love seeing him in
Speaker 5: every commercial, you know, but maybe you don't. And if
Speaker 5: if Kevin Hart's not your guy, if you're like, oh,
Speaker 5: you know, if Joe Firestones your your favorite comedian, or
Speaker 5: Nick vaderat or Baron Vaughn or James a castor you know,
Speaker 5: there's so many medians who certainly my mom has not
Speaker 5: heard of yet, and your mom may not have heard
Speaker 5: of yet. And so there's I would say that's another
Speaker 5: I guess underrated. I guess I guess what I'm saying
Speaker 5: is overrated is talking about what's overrated. I'd rather talk
Speaker 5: about what's underrated. You know, Yeah, so talking about the underdogs.
Speaker 3: But I do think that's a good that's a good point.
Speaker 3: Like I was just talking to somebody who was like,
Speaker 3: I really like, you know, I think you should leave
Speaker 3: and the chair company and they were like, yeah, I've
Speaker 3: been like trying to get into I think you should leave,
Speaker 3: and like I just it never worked.
Speaker 4: Like I watched every episode. I was like, why did
Speaker 4: you do that?
Speaker 3: It's clearly it's like I was that show the very
Speaker 3: first skit, I was like had tears pouring down my
Speaker 3: face laughing, and the people I was on a plane
Speaker 3: with like thought there was something wrong with me, and
Speaker 3: like that's so just like find that for yourself, like
Speaker 3: if it's not happening, don't try and like it's not
Speaker 3: that like somebody else is like you know, right, and
Speaker 3: you just need to like work to get yourself. That
Speaker 3: is just like there's something wrong with me. That's not
Speaker 3: wrong with you or you know what I mean or
Speaker 3: right o me? But you know, like that is just
Speaker 3: like that shape.
Speaker 5: If I may, my girlfriend RENI, who is that. We
Speaker 5: have a lot in common. You know, we're not the
Speaker 5: exact same person, but we have similar taste in a
Speaker 5: lot of things, like a lot of comedians that I love,
Speaker 5: she loves, and vice versa. We're not the exact same
Speaker 5: but I watched I Think you Should Leave before she did,
Speaker 5: and I was going to share it with her, and
Speaker 5: like the first episode, we turned off because she was
Speaker 5: like too chaotic, like I can't write, I don't understand,
Speaker 5: this is not a flavor that I need or want.
Speaker 5: But then I shared Detroiters with her, and Detroitters she loved,
Speaker 5: and by the end of watching all of Detroit Ter's
Speaker 5: she was like, I think I have a greater understanding,
Speaker 5: a greater context for like what is going on with
Speaker 5: Tim Robinson's comedy and brain. And then we did She's
Speaker 5: like I think I can I get it now, and
Speaker 5: we started watching I Think You Should Leave, and with
Speaker 5: that context, with that framing, she loved it and loves
Speaker 5: it and we saw friendship and we love the Chair Company.
Speaker 5: So yeah, he is now basically invented a new flavor
Speaker 5: that like when like when a baby tries something a
Speaker 5: new food for the first time, it's always like yeah
Speaker 5: and then yeah, you know, like when when it's something
Speaker 5: is unknown, when something is mysterious, it often can be
Speaker 5: frightening or weird or we don't get it. But then
Speaker 5: once you're like, it doesn't mean that you don't like it,
Speaker 5: like it just means you might need the Like when
Speaker 5: Stephen Sondheim wrote the musical A Funny Thing Happens on
Speaker 5: the Way to the Forum. When it first came out,
Speaker 5: it bombed and nobody. Apparently people didn't get that it
Speaker 5: was a comedy, so he went back and wrote a
Speaker 5: new opening number called Comedy Tonight, which.
Speaker 3: Basically delivered the message is idle yeah ad a sing
Speaker 3: up front.
Speaker 5: Maybe the original title was a thing happened on the
Speaker 5: way to the Forum, you know, because like what, who
Speaker 5: knows what kind of thing the forum?
Speaker 3: Ancient realm or Greece or wherever. Boring couldn't become.
Speaker 5: But truly having the framing of it being comedy led
Speaker 5: people to get it. So having the right framing for
Speaker 5: I think you should leave led rene to discover it.
Speaker 5: So I'm not saying that whoever this person is like
Speaker 5: absolutely like I wouldn't recommend I think you should leave
Speaker 5: to everyone, but as a gateway, do try to.
Speaker 3: If you like.
Speaker 5: Detroit Ters, try Detroiters, which I think is really warm
Speaker 5: and sweet. And if you then enjoy the weirdness of Detroiters,
Speaker 5: then try to dip your toe in. I think maybe
Speaker 5: you shouldn't leave. Yeah, maybe that's a that's a better rampant.
Speaker 2: I was going to say the sort of opposite thing
Speaker 2: to Jack's friend, which is that, like, I feel like
Speaker 2: so many people get the advice like, oh, you got
Speaker 2: to give it like a bunch of episodes or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I actually think it's fine to just tap out it.
Speaker 3: There's just so much good comedy, comedy, yeah, everything.
Speaker 5: I have a friend who never got into Breaking Bad,
Speaker 5: like I think Breaking Bad is. I mean, it's I
Speaker 5: watched it myself, I watched it with friends. I watched
Speaker 5: it with Renie, you know, we watched Better Calls Salt,
Speaker 5: Like it's amazing art, like, it's funny, it's dramatic, it's
Speaker 5: it's really weird and cool and great. And also I
Speaker 5: have a friend who's like I watched the first episode
Speaker 5: or two, ah, not for me, And and I think
Speaker 5: I said or somebody else said. They're like, oh, you
Speaker 5: got to give it like, you know, six or seven episodes,
Speaker 5: and he's like, I gotta give it like three movies
Speaker 5: worth of time before I can decide that this isn't
Speaker 5: for me.
Speaker 3: And so I think that's completely valid.
Speaker 5: Like there obviously are things that take time to like
Speaker 5: get the tone or get you know, get into the vibe.
Speaker 5: Like every work, every great work of art, many of
Speaker 5: them teach you how to experience them. Like if you've
Speaker 5: never read Dickens or you've never you know, Moby dick
Speaker 5: is weird, you know, but if you get like truly yeah,
Speaker 5: any yeah, Moby Dickens, you know, anything like that. And
Speaker 5: I say this not as somebody. I have not read
Speaker 5: all of Moby Dick. I have read some Dickens. RENI,
Speaker 5: my wonderful partner, has read like she started a project
Speaker 5: like seven years ago to read all of like the
Speaker 5: agreed upon great the works of classic literature. Start she
Speaker 5: started with Moby dick. She then went on to Anna
Speaker 5: Karinna and a bunch of Dickens, and like then, I
Speaker 5: I had just had a memory of it being like.
Speaker 3: In school going uh, no, thank you homework.
Speaker 5: I don't think so, but like if you don't have
Speaker 5: to read it, like actually, you know, there's some funny
Speaker 5: dickens out there and it's like just but it's a
Speaker 5: different thing, and so like every but yeah, I guess
Speaker 5: the main message is try something.
Speaker 3: If it's not for you, that's cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm at the age where I kind of every like
Speaker 2: every so often I'm like, I would really like to
Speaker 2: take a literature class, like a college literature class now,
Speaker 2: and I would do all of the work this time.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I graduated with a philosophy degree, and as I was
Speaker 3: like trading in my philosophy books like after graduating, I
Speaker 3: was like, man, there's like I could just like read
Speaker 3: the stuff that I always wanted to read, and it
Speaker 3: became like so much more interesting to me, just like
Speaker 3: outside of the context of homework.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're turning in those bodies and you're like, oh, man,
Speaker 5: I could have just been looking at a tree this
Speaker 5: whole time.
Speaker 4: Stack him up.
Speaker 3: You ever tried that?
Speaker 1: All?
Speaker 3: Right, we should get into some stories.
Speaker 4: This is just more so.
Speaker 3: We talked on yesterday's episode about the guy conducting the
Speaker 3: National Orchestra who is like just a Trump appointee who
Speaker 3: is trying to be I think Secretary of State, and
Speaker 3: then they like put him in charge of the Kennedy
Speaker 3: Center and he like he just didn't make a wish
Speaker 3: thing where he like went up and conducted the like
Speaker 3: best musicians in America and like didn't know what he
Speaker 3: was doing. And I think just like had the assumption
Speaker 3: that he like this is not yeah, exactly like the
Speaker 3: thing that we all assumed when we first saw conductors
Speaker 3: when we were like four years old. A billionaire last
Speaker 3: year brought his way onto the USTA Tour to play
Speaker 3: professional tennis and get rinsed, and then also to a
Speaker 3: lesser degree, like Donald Trump, thinking he was going to
Speaker 3: get like a call un response level response from the
Speaker 3: NFL crowd when he went there, he was like repeat
Speaker 3: after me and did like a you know, swearing in
Speaker 3: oh thing with the crowd and was just like drown
Speaker 3: out by boost. So I just feel like there is
Speaker 3: a lack of awareness, a lack of just like connection
Speaker 3: to reality that is happening both with this administration and
Speaker 3: with the extremely wealthy. And then this morning, one of
Speaker 3: our best AKA writers and favorite guests, Christy Almgucci Mane,
Speaker 3: on Twitter, shared this video of Jeff Bezos entering a
Speaker 3: stadium through a laser tube that was like coming up
Speaker 3: out of the earth, flanked by lightsaber wielding guards with
Speaker 3: these like wrap around Is it Jordi from Star Trek
Speaker 3: or maybe yeah, Jordy wla forge sunglasses, staring straight forward
Speaker 3: and like doing like trained soldier movements. And he you know,
Speaker 3: rightly pointed out that like you couldn't right this level
Speaker 3: of even evil billionaire in a movie. Everybody would just
Speaker 3: be like what yeh right, it's really Zoolander, doctor evil
Speaker 3: coded shit.
Speaker 2: I mean, at the end of the day, these people
Speaker 2: are rich and evil and powerful, but like they can
Speaker 2: kill you, but they can't make you think they're cool, right,
Speaker 2: Like they can literally murder you and whatever, but for
Speaker 2: all of their power, they just can't. They can't make
Speaker 2: you think they're cool.
Speaker 5: And right, Like with the guy who paid money to
Speaker 5: get to quote unquote be a conductor, you know, do
Speaker 5: conductor cosplay, Like I can understand why the organization was,
Speaker 5: like we could really use that money to like make
Speaker 5: good art, which you know, a lot of comedians have
Speaker 5: been like on a sitcom that might not have been
Speaker 5: their favorite sitcom, but that you know, I don't I
Speaker 5: think Patton Oswalt is wonderful and he was on the
Speaker 5: King of Queens and he used that money to like
Speaker 5: fund the comedians of Comedy Tour that launched the careers
Speaker 5: of like zach Alafanakis and Brian Vamford and Brian post Say.
Speaker 5: And so I think that, you know, if you for
Speaker 5: an arts organization to be like, yeah, like give a
Speaker 5: thank you, like obviously everybody gets it. Everybody's not like, wow,
Speaker 5: this guy is as good a conductor, like he's on
Speaker 5: our stage conducting, like you can do the thing. You can,
Speaker 5: you know, go through the motions, but it doesn't make
Speaker 5: you have the experience of like, you know, you can
Speaker 5: memorize words in another language, and doesn't mean that you
Speaker 5: are fluent in the language. You aren't able to communicate
Speaker 5: if you don't actually take the steps to do the work.
Speaker 5: And so yeah, I mean obviously anything I feel like
Speaker 5: I'm a fan of anything where money goes from the
Speaker 5: people who have too much to people who don't have
Speaker 5: enough or could use it better. I mean like Elon,
Speaker 5: you know, has so much money that he got he
Speaker 5: can go on stage with Dave Chappelle at a certain
Speaker 5: point and and it but it doesn't mean that people
Speaker 5: will like the things that he's saying.
Speaker 4: He can't it doesn't make him good at stand.
Speaker 3: Up, like it's it's fast, it's fascinating, like something else
Speaker 3: makes him at stand up. I guess because he.
Speaker 5: Brought that sink into his workplace, right, I know, I know,
Speaker 5: ye the dollars.
Speaker 2: Letting you actualize your shitty ideas is the hardest thing
Speaker 2: for them, so that they can do it, But that
Speaker 2: doesn't make it good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're so in their own world too, like they're
Speaker 3: just in like they haven't taken a breath outside of
Speaker 3: the biosphere of like yes men and people who work
Speaker 3: for them that they exist inside and so like at
Speaker 3: least with an artist there they have to be in
Speaker 3: touch with their audience. But these people are just like
Speaker 3: so far off on another planet that we're getting a
Speaker 3: really accurate snapshot of just like what they think is cool,
Speaker 3: like with any input from the outside world. And it's
Speaker 3: really sad.
Speaker 5: It's really sad, feel I feel, you know, I hope
Speaker 5: that everyone discovers the truth you know and is able
Speaker 5: to you know, grow and change and learn. But here's
Speaker 5: like an analogy that I think goes along with what
Speaker 5: you're saying. When I was in college, I had a
Speaker 5: friend who didn't like cream cheese. She's like, anything with
Speaker 5: cream cheese in it, I hate it. I like cream cheese.
Speaker 5: And then one day, where as like part of her personality,
Speaker 5: one day we're at lunch and she's eating a carrot
Speaker 5: cake and it has cream cheese frosting, and I say, hey,
Speaker 5: just remind me you don't like cream cheese, and she
Speaker 5: says yes. I was like, and are you enjoying the cake?
Speaker 5: And she says I am, And I say, what do
Speaker 5: you know that that's actually cream cheese frosting that you're eating.
Speaker 5: And then instead of saying like, oh, then I guess
Speaker 5: there's some situations where I do like, she just pushes
Speaker 5: it away from her and says, then I guess I
Speaker 5: don't like it.
Speaker 3: I was about what I like.
Speaker 5: And I think that's what's happening with like you said,
Speaker 5: the a lot of you know, rich, powerful, monetarily people
Speaker 5: spend time surrounding themselves with yes people, many yes men,
Speaker 5: and and yeah.
Speaker 3: A lot of yes.
Speaker 5: And the fact is that they could love like an artist,
Speaker 5: they could love a comedian, they could love someone. But
Speaker 5: if they love someone who can't be bought, and they
Speaker 5: say I love this person. And then if that person says, actually,
Speaker 5: you know, like Bruce Springsteen saying like, don't use my songs,
Speaker 5: or like any other artists being like, you know, you
Speaker 5: want to use their art because you love their art
Speaker 5: for whatever reason. And then when they speak out and say, actually,
Speaker 5: I'm not a fan of what you're doing in these
Speaker 5: ways for these reasons, then they're like, well, then I
Speaker 5: guess I don't like it.
Speaker 4: Actually I was wrong about it.
Speaker 5: When I mean, the way to grow and connect with
Speaker 5: other people is to like truly.
Speaker 4: I mean, I admit this.
Speaker 5: I I know that I am. I don't know everything.
Speaker 5: I know that I don't everything, and I won't hear
Speaker 5: it hardly. I can almost not admit it.
Speaker 4: I don't admit that.
Speaker 5: I do a bit on stage sometimes now where I
Speaker 5: ask an audience a member to ask me if I
Speaker 5: know something that I couldn't know about their life or
Speaker 5: their job or where they live or anything. And so
Speaker 5: if they say, like one guy, he was a forensic pathologist,
Speaker 5: and so he said to me, do you know how
Speaker 5: to identify the time of death when a body is dead?
Speaker 5: And I said, probably, because that's what I say at that,
Speaker 5: I'm like, it's a thing that can be known.
Speaker 3: I probably know it.
Speaker 4: But there's people like so I think everyone.
Speaker 5: You know, the wisest people, your Socrates, is, you're Confucius
Speaker 5: is they like they're famous for saying I know what
Speaker 5: I don't know, or I know that I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't even know what they said, but I know
Speaker 5: that they said. They admit when they don't know things
Speaker 5: that it's it's it's a wise powerful strength to admit
Speaker 5: when you don't know something you can grow to. You
Speaker 5: can only learn something if you didn't know it. So
Speaker 5: if you're closed off to information or ideas that are
Speaker 5: different than the ones you already think, like, that's the
Speaker 5: it's weirdly like the it's the dumbest to think that
Speaker 5: you're the smartest is the dumbest.
Speaker 3: Ye, Yes, exactly. I also want to get to Elon Musk,
Speaker 3: who got called out by Joyce Carol Oates on Twitter
Speaker 3: and then spent like seventy two hours trying to prove
Speaker 3: that he is a human with human feelings and like
Speaker 3: taste in film. So original post was so curious that
Speaker 3: such a wealthy man never posts anything that indicates that
Speaker 3: he enjoys or is even aware of what virtually everyone
Speaker 3: appreciates scenes from nature, pet dogger, cat, praise for a movie, music,
Speaker 3: a book, but doubt that he reads pride in a
Speaker 3: friends or relatives, accomplishment condolences for someone who has died,
Speaker 3: pleasure in sports, acclaim for a favorite team, references to history.
Speaker 3: In fact, he seems totally uneducated, uncultured. The poorest persons
Speaker 3: on Twitter may have access to more beauty and meaning
Speaker 3: in life than the quote most wealthy person in the world.
Speaker 3: And he, you know, called her like mean Oats is
Speaker 3: a liar and delights in being mean, not a good human.
Speaker 3: But his clap back, but then he spent the rest
Speaker 3: of the day talking about like movies he likes, so
Speaker 3: clearly he was and the movies were like Man on
Speaker 3: Fire is great. Fifth Element has great style.
Speaker 5: Oh, I mean Fifth Element does have great style.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's so interesting. I heard this thing.
Speaker 5: I feel like this might have been Confucius, but it
Speaker 5: was like, it's not something to paraphrase. It's like, it's
Speaker 5: not good to try to be liked by everyone, because
Speaker 5: you won't be liked by everyone. It's good to try
Speaker 5: and be like liked or respected by people whose opinions
Speaker 5: are of value to you, you know, like if you
Speaker 5: like as a you know, obviously as a comedian, like
Speaker 5: audiences are one metric of how good a comedian is,
Speaker 5: like how much people, but people can make people laugh
Speaker 5: with stolen jokes or older, unoriginal jokes. Uh, And like
Speaker 5: I think the best comedians are the ones. I mean,
Speaker 5: my favorite comedians are my favorite comedians. But if you ask,
Speaker 5: you know me, my favorite comedians, like I'll name people
Speaker 5: like Maria Bamford, and if you ask Stephen Colbert, he'll
Speaker 5: also name her, and so many of your favorite comedian whoever,
Speaker 5: your favorite comedian is, like who are their favorite comedians
Speaker 5: and who are their favorite comedians? Eventually you'll get you know,
Speaker 5: You'll you'll get a lot of Davitel's, You'll get a
Speaker 5: lot of Hedberg's. You'll get a lot of Reggie Watts's.
Speaker 5: You know you'll get you'll get a lot of really
Speaker 5: great like agreed upon you know, kind of like not
Speaker 5: the popular vote and not even the electoral college, but
Speaker 5: sort of just like the the inn group, the experts
Speaker 5: opinions and so in like the way to live life,
Speaker 5: Like I have a friend who This is an experience
Speaker 5: she had where she was working at a college while
Speaker 5: she was getting her degree, and so she was working
Speaker 5: an administrative job and she had dreams of like, you know,
Speaker 5: she's an artist, she's a poet, she's a comedian, she's
Speaker 5: a performer. She's like maybe thinking about opening a cafe
Speaker 5: that's also a performance space and you know, getting to
Speaker 5: be like an artist collective. And she was talking with
Speaker 5: a fellow worker who's on you know, her level, and
Speaker 5: the worker was like, you know what you should do?
Speaker 5: And I think my friend is a kind person and
Speaker 5: didn't say this to her face, but said to me,
Speaker 5: She's like, I don't want advice from people who are
Speaker 5: where I am. I want advice from people who are
Speaker 5: where I want to be. And so like for for
Speaker 5: a person to like who, who's whose reverence do you want?
Speaker 3: If you want reverence, like who's approval? Whose appreciation?
Speaker 5: Like I love meeting another comedian, and I mean even
Speaker 5: like yourself, Andrew, Like we've been we've known each other
Speaker 5: on social media at least for many years, you know,
Speaker 5: and I be when because I think I saw you
Speaker 5: because some of my friends were either on your podcast
Speaker 5: or were interacting with you or had retweeted you or
Speaker 5: you had shared them, and I was like, oh, my
Speaker 5: friend likes this person. Let me have I'm not gonna
Speaker 5: just like this person because my friend likes this person,
Speaker 5: but I'm gonna use that as a que to look
Speaker 5: at your stuff and be like, oh, now I from
Speaker 5: the inside also like this person.
Speaker 3: I like this person's work. I like what they're doing,
Speaker 3: and like now I'm like, oh, and you also now
Speaker 3: know me and know what I do and like what
Speaker 3: I do. That's cool, And that's not what's happening for Joyce,
Speaker 3: Carol Oates and Elon. He wants to be liked by
Speaker 3: everyone is essentially like it does feel like he.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's like the speed running Citizen Kane in public,
Speaker 2: which is I guess what Twitter has done to people.
Speaker 2: But it's just like how bereft of any like joy.
Speaker 3: I mean, he he made that prompt like the day
Speaker 3: that she said that, he made a prompt in with
Speaker 3: using rock the image AI generator with there was just
Speaker 3: a woman that said with the words I will always
Speaker 3: love you underneath it. It is just like.
Speaker 2: Dark dark, not even the best use of the words
Speaker 2: I will always love you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what's wrong with man I as a as a comedian, like,
Speaker 5: when you start out doing comedy for those that don't know,
Speaker 5: you do a lot of open mics, and you get
Speaker 5: a lot of silence. You know, you get a lot
Speaker 5: of there's a lot of a big learning curve, and
Speaker 5: you know, for some it takes you know, some people
Speaker 5: are great out the gate, but it's much more common
Speaker 5: to not be great out the gate, and you spend
Speaker 5: months and years of you know, honing and editing and
Speaker 5: listening back to sets, and you know, theoretically quote unquote
Speaker 5: failing in public and eventually discovering like what you enjoy
Speaker 5: that other people enjoy, what makes you laugh that make
Speaker 5: other people laugh. And I feel like that is like
Speaker 5: what Elon is trying to do, is what the equivalent
Speaker 5: of an open my comedian is trying to do, just
Speaker 5: throwing everything at the wall to see what my is
Speaker 5: this what everyone will like?
Speaker 3: Is this what everyone will like? Is this what everyone
Speaker 3: will like?
Speaker 5: And as a new comedian in my twenties, I was like,
Speaker 5: I don't know what people like. I don't know, like,
Speaker 5: I know what I think is fun and good and interesting,
Speaker 5: but there's a lot of stuff I think I've written
Speaker 5: for every joke that I continue to tell on stage
Speaker 5: because it works. There are I can't even tell you,
Speaker 5: probably thousands tens of that, however, many thousands of jokes
Speaker 5: that I have tried to write that maybe I could
Speaker 5: make work today if I put in enough time. But
Speaker 5: it's just in the beginning. It's a numbers game. It's quantity,
Speaker 5: and eventually you settle into like, oh, this is what
Speaker 5: I want to talk about. This is like what I
Speaker 5: care about, this is what's meaningful to me, this is
Speaker 5: what I'm gonna spend my time on. But it seems
Speaker 5: like and there a lot of people when you're when
Speaker 5: you're new, want a short cut, and there's the There
Speaker 5: is no shortcut. There is only putting time and work
Speaker 5: and effort into it and not just paying to be
Speaker 5: on stage with the conductor of comedy.
Speaker 2: Elon is a like I opened my Communitian who bombed
Speaker 2: one time and then bought every comedy club and also
Speaker 2: every performance venue on Earth in response.
Speaker 3: And then is trying to do the open mic winnowing
Speaker 3: honing process into a galaxy of sycophants who are just
Speaker 3: like It's import for him.
Speaker 2: The problem is he gets enough feedback that he likes it,
Speaker 2: but humanity still can easily see he is not funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, anybody who's not coming in just being like,
Speaker 3: I want this guy to like me. Maybe he'll make
Speaker 3: me rich too. Yeah, we've own the libs.
Speaker 4: That's true. That's how you do that. He did that.
Speaker 3: We should take a quick break. I want to talk
Speaker 3: about Target forcing employees to smile, and we'll be right back.
Speaker 3: And we're back, and there's a there's a new program
Speaker 3: at Target called the ten to four Program Good Buddy,
Speaker 3: which follows similarly creepy rules enacted by Walmart and Disney.
Speaker 3: So store employees are now required to smile if they
Speaker 3: are within ten feet of a shopper. They also must
Speaker 3: make eye contact with a wave to or greet the
Speaker 3: customer if they're within four feet. The employee should ask
Speaker 3: how the customer's day is going or if they need help.
Speaker 3: And this is first of all. They should like pay
Speaker 3: their employees a little wait, that would be one thing,
Speaker 3: or pay them for all the time they're working. Target
Speaker 3: warehouse workers had to take legal action to actually get
Speaker 3: paid for the thirty minutes it takes them to walk
Speaker 3: from the entrance to their workstation. Yeah, Target is bad
Speaker 3: at this, but I do just find this this interesting.
Speaker 3: Like I've definitely been to Trader Joe's and had the
Speaker 3: experience of like being lost in thought and somebody like
Speaker 3: the checkout person starting a mandatory small talk conversation with
Speaker 3: me and like being kind of thrown and feeling a
Speaker 3: little weird and alienated by it. But I just think
Speaker 3: it's an interesting like the it's a thing that if
Speaker 3: people came down or like outside of history, if people
Speaker 3: from other eras were able to look in, I think
Speaker 3: it would be one of the things that everyone thought
Speaker 3: was weird about our culture, is like like because there's
Speaker 3: I remember there was an either Radio Lab or This
Speaker 3: American Life episode from the early days of podcasting where
Speaker 3: they talked about the phenomenon of when they first opened
Speaker 3: the McDonald's in Russia after the wall fell, and everyone
Speaker 3: was like the people who worked there were just like
Speaker 3: what the fuck do you mean smile at them? Like what,
Speaker 3: like what are you talking about? And they had like
Speaker 3: the hardest time getting them to do it, and ultimately
Speaker 3: like gave up on it. There's also something called smile
Speaker 3: mask syndrome, which was diagnosed in Japanese young women who
Speaker 3: like work in the service industry where they have to
Speaker 3: like smile so much that like this psychologist was like
Speaker 3: they were still smiling while relating like really stressful or
Speaker 3: troubling experiences, which I think is like the movie, the
Speaker 3: horror movie Smile, but and like it's again they're like
Speaker 3: this came because of Tokyo Disneyland, which opened in nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty three, and then throughout the eighties they found this
Speaker 3: thing of like the obligatory smile in the workplace, creating
Speaker 3: this sort of psychological or like existential weirdness that people
Speaker 3: have a hard time dealing with.
Speaker 5: Do you know I co sign everything you're saying, And
Speaker 5: I obviously like capitalism is this is a feature of it,
Speaker 5: you know, not a bug. This is it's a it's
Speaker 5: a trap and it's unfortunate and would be better if
Speaker 5: you know, people all could be more self directed in
Speaker 5: how they want to live their life and not need
Speaker 5: to be behold into these massive corporations. Like my girlfriend
Speaker 5: used to work at a you know, a big department
Speaker 5: store in the fine jewelry department, and you know, like
Speaker 5: there were times when if you didn't like some people,
Speaker 5: if you didn't sell as much as others in one month,
Speaker 5: Like if a couple months in a row, your job
Speaker 5: was potentially at risk. But there were times when if
Speaker 5: she sold enough in like the beginning of the month,
Speaker 5: then the rest of the month she could relax and.
Speaker 3: She would actually sell.
Speaker 5: She would be a better employee then because she was
Speaker 5: relaxed and not you know, constantly masking and constantly you know,
Speaker 5: on her toes to be like I gotta do this.
Speaker 5: I got because it's ultimately, I would say, at best,
Speaker 5: it's I mean, it's like acting, you know, like you
Speaker 5: get a job as an actor, like well, in this scene,
Speaker 5: maybe smile because the character is happy, you know, And
Speaker 5: maybe a director could be you know, as you know,
Speaker 5: difficult to deal with if it's a difficult director. But
Speaker 5: I ideally, if you're making art, it's gonna be. But
Speaker 5: here's the I don't want to I don't know that
Speaker 5: I even believe what I'm about to say, but I
Speaker 5: want to present this as as an option. I do
Speaker 5: think that there's like this the guys of familial you know,
Speaker 5: happenstance in workplaces like we're a family here, you know,
Speaker 5: like hey, which they use like it's not a family.
Speaker 5: It's your job that you agree to do something and
Speaker 5: they agree to give you money, and like, hopefully you
Speaker 5: get along with your coworkers, you get hopefully your boss
Speaker 5: is a kind human being. Hopefully, But they sometimes use
Speaker 5: that to say like, hey, maybe put in some extra
Speaker 5: time because we're all a family here.
Speaker 3: You don't just back out on your family.
Speaker 4: But so with it.
Speaker 5: In opposition to that, I feel like there is something
Speaker 5: nice about saying the quiet part out loud, or saying
Speaker 5: it saying it explicitly to be like, look, we're paying
Speaker 5: you to be the face of this company, which involves like,
Speaker 5: here's definitive directives, like as opposed to just being like hey,
Speaker 5: when people are around, try to be cool. Try to
Speaker 5: make it seem like there have to be like, look,
Speaker 5: we're hiring you to smile when you're at this particular
Speaker 5: trajectory at this juncture. Hey, you're eleven feet I love
Speaker 5: that if you're eleven feet away from people.
Speaker 3: Flow nuts with your face, you know, just like shut
Speaker 3: it down, like, don't give them a line that will
Speaker 3: not come within ten feet of you.
Speaker 4: Just just sort of shuffle away as they get closer.
Speaker 3: Right, Oh yeah, so you're running a zone defense in basketball,
Speaker 3: you're like trying to stay in between people.
Speaker 5: That's like there's I think this is somebody's joke. It
Speaker 5: might be the comedian Tony v in Boston, who's an
Speaker 5: incredible comedian. I know he has some jokes about scientists
Speaker 5: who study dolphins, and so this might be from his bit,
Speaker 5: or it might just be a fact that I learned
Speaker 5: somewhere along the way or somebody else's bit, but that
Speaker 5: some dolphin was trained to like get litter out of
Speaker 5: its enclosure. Like if there was like pieces of paper
Speaker 5: or debris, it would pick them up and then you
Speaker 5: would it would get fish, you know, get food for
Speaker 5: each piece of paper that it delivered each piece of trash.
Speaker 5: So dolphins, I don't you know, they're smart. So dolphins
Speaker 5: would then start, after they realized the system ripping trash
Speaker 5: in half, they would start ripping the pieces of paper
Speaker 5: and being like two pieces of fish, please, Like I
Speaker 5: got you two garbages, so give me two foods.
Speaker 3: And so I feel like that.
Speaker 5: Also, I wonder how how Target employees are going to
Speaker 5: gamify it. They're like, where's the ten foot mark? Like
Speaker 5: nothing in the rule book that says I have to
Speaker 5: move into the zone.
Speaker 2: This is a big corporate game of I'm not touching you,
Speaker 2: They're just fucking running. I mean obviously, like this is
Speaker 2: just poor even if you want to just be shackled
Speaker 2: with the strictures of capitalism, this is just poor management.
Speaker 2: Like you shouldn't need to define this if everything else
Speaker 2: was being managed correctly. But I do think this this
Speaker 2: has like a really nice letter of the law, not
Speaker 2: spirit of the law, opportunity for some enterprising Target employees.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, it's you want to address the not this is
Speaker 5: addressing the symptoms, like the external like, hey, your face
Speaker 5: isn't doing what we wanted to do.
Speaker 3: What do we do to make your face smile?
Speaker 4: Order you to smile?
Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, superducer cat there and asks if they're
Speaker 3: trying to combat the gen Z stare, which I think, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: the thing but that is a big news story. We
Speaker 3: were like gen Z look at us, like they don't
Speaker 3: know what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is this is all I'm reading
Speaker 2: here is this is a nationwide fakest smile contest for
Speaker 2: all Target employees.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just most unnerving smile. Can I help you?
Speaker 3: They should just hire everyone to wear a mask. That
Speaker 3: is the target bullseye over their face. You know, Oh
Speaker 3: my god, that's kind of like a smile at the bottom.
Speaker 4: I would love that, honestly.
Speaker 3: I do personally just feel like like set on edge,
Speaker 3: like anytime someone is starting an interaction with me, Like
Speaker 3: I feel like you can tell the difference when it's
Speaker 3: like enforced and when it's not. And usually any sort
Speaker 3: of forced social exchange is like you know, someone trying
Speaker 3: to con you or sell you something or something like that.
Speaker 3: So I just like have an immediate like detection of like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you get away from it.
Speaker 2: But also target management, you know, maybe you could also
Speaker 2: just not loudly trumpet how you don't support de I
Speaker 2: or you know, like not lock up all your here,
Speaker 2: all your remotely valuable things. Maybe that's why people don't
Speaker 2: like shopping at targeting or not not the lack of
Speaker 2: fake smiles from children of the corn.
Speaker 3: What do people like friends? We're going to be their friends.
Speaker 3: That's yeah, Mike, such a pleasure having you on the
Speaker 3: daily Zeicheist. Where can people find you? Follow you, catch
Speaker 3: your new special all that good stuff?
Speaker 5: Yes, of course, So Mike Kaplan is my name spelled
Speaker 5: this weird way? M Y q K A P l
Speaker 5: A N. That's my you know, at Mike Kaplan on
Speaker 5: all the social media at Mike Kaplan dot com. I
Speaker 5: have a newsletter at Substacks that's Mike Kaplan dot substack
Speaker 5: dot com.
Speaker 3: Uh. I've got podcasts on my own. You mentioned them,
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I've got a bunch of comedy albums and
Speaker 5: specials out there on the various streaming platforms, the latest
Speaker 5: of which does come to YouTube New York City time
Speaker 5: eight pm on November nineteenth and accordingly the rest of
Speaker 5: the world. So that'll be on my YouTube collaborating with
Speaker 5: the producers Blonde Medicine, so like and subscribe their YouTube
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Speaker 5: in there interacting with people for the debut.
Speaker 3: So if you can watch it at exactly the time
Speaker 3: that it comes out, that will help the robots tell
Speaker 3: other people about it. So yeah, but if you remember anything,
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. And it's the new special is called
Speaker 3: Renie name for my girlfriend Reni, with whom I created
Speaker 3: the special Reenie Reni on YouTube November nineteenth. Thanks so
Speaker 3: much for having me.
Speaker 4: Love the name Reeni.
Speaker 3: By the way, I have an aunt Rene. Is it
Speaker 3: short for anything? Your aunt Reenie Mareen?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Nice? Is your partner's name short, It's short for Catherine Katherine.
Speaker 5: As a child, so many mom called directions Reenie Catherine,
Speaker 5: So yeah, that's Reenie's.
Speaker 3: Are not a monolith? Is there a work of media
Speaker 3: that you've been enjoying? Many?
Speaker 5: And I will say, you know, I we watch. We've
Speaker 5: already mentioned many of them, obviously, the new Tim Robinson
Speaker 5: works and the Nathan Fielder the second season.
Speaker 3: Of The.
Speaker 5: We Might we might be one behind. I just realized.
Speaker 5: So that's exciting to think about. But I will say
Speaker 5: one piece of media that I've been really loving. I
Speaker 5: don't know if you guys read comic books, but the
Speaker 5: DC Universe has a new, uh, a new universe of
Speaker 5: comics that they call, uh, the Absolute Universe, the Absolute
Speaker 5: d C. They've like begun again. You know, your classic
Speaker 5: heroes you're like, but with a slight tweak to their
Speaker 5: their origin story, like Superman comes to Earth as a
Speaker 5: teenager instead of a baby, Batman only as one parent die,
Speaker 5: and Wonder Woman gets raised not on the Amazon Island
Speaker 5: but by Circe in the underworld. The realm of Hades,
Speaker 5: and so that's the one. They're all really great. I
Speaker 5: really like Jason Aaron is an incredible writer who's writing
Speaker 5: the Superman one, the Batman one.
Speaker 6: He's also not rich, right, isn't that one of that That's correct?
Speaker 6: He is he is so much he is not rich.
Speaker 6: It's really there's so many distinctions. It's really cool. Like
Speaker 6: the art is incredible, the writing is incredible. The of
Speaker 6: those three, like, I love them all, but the wonder
Speaker 6: Woman one is really it's the art is so beautiful
Speaker 6: and she's such a wonderful, pure character. I'll just share
Speaker 6: here's one interaction she has it that I think is like,
Speaker 6: you know, not representative of the entire story. Like the
Speaker 6: entire story is like gigantic and beautiful in many ways.
Speaker 6: But she's talking to Steve Trevor.
Speaker 5: I believe Steve, like you know, the main in the
Speaker 5: original story, he like washes up on the island and
Speaker 5: she like helps him and protects him and becomes you know,
Speaker 5: friends with him, lovers with him, and he's like a
Speaker 5: good a good man from the real world, the one
Speaker 5: good man from the world outside of her island. But
Speaker 5: so in this one, she meets him and they're about
Speaker 5: the same height. And he's like, wow, you're really tall
Speaker 5: and she's like, you're the same height as me. And
Speaker 5: he's like, oh yes, but where I come from, I'm
Speaker 5: really tall, and women where I come from like almost
Speaker 5: no one is as tall as uh as me or you.
Speaker 5: And she says is that important? And he's like, uh,
Speaker 5: I guess not. And she's like, great, will you tell
Speaker 5: me more things about where you come from that are important?
Speaker 5: As like what an incredible? Like you know, it's funny,
Speaker 5: it's like pure hearted, it's compassionate, it's about, you know,
Speaker 5: commenting on women's bodies, commenting on people's appearances in a
Speaker 5: way that like it's so simple and effective and funny
Speaker 5: and cool and beautiful. So yeah, I would recommend of
Speaker 5: My piece of media that I've been really enjoying is
Speaker 5: Absolute wonder Woman by I believe the author Kelly Thompson.
Speaker 3: Nice, Nice Andrew. Where can people find You? Is their
Speaker 3: working media you've been enjoying?
Speaker 4: Oh god, Andrew t everywhere.
Speaker 2: I have a new podcast called starter Trek that is
Speaker 2: a premium podcast on you can get it on suboptimal
Speaker 2: pods dot com, which is.
Speaker 4: Our yos is racist thing doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: But yeah, my podcast co host Tany Newsome Trek Royalty,
Speaker 2: and she's basically walking me through. We're doing all the
Speaker 2: pilots for the Star Trek episodes right now.
Speaker 4: I don't know. You can see clips on our social media.
Speaker 4: I'm really happy. It's really fun to do. I like
Speaker 4: Star Trek, but I don't know jack shit about it.
Speaker 4: That's where I am. There you go.
Speaker 3: Sounds great.
Speaker 4: Oh and piece of media.
Speaker 2: Piece of media is it's per Simon season in Los
Speaker 2: Angeles and I'm eating the shit out of the per
Speaker 2: Simmons are so good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. Some of my favorite media. You
Speaker 3: can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien on
Speaker 3: Blue Sky at Jack o b the Number One. I
Speaker 3: enjoyed a tweet from Respectful huff that said comedians and
Speaker 3: cars eating cars. They have to eat the cars. They
Speaker 3: have to eat their way out all capitalize. That's the
Speaker 3: name of the show. So that's that's a work of
Speaker 3: media that doesn't exist. Great tweet, I tell you one
Speaker 3: damn thing. I'd be enjoying it if that did. You
Speaker 3: can find us on Twitter and Blue Sky at Daily Zeitgeist.
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Speaker 3: to the description of this episode wherever you're listening to it,
Speaker 3: and they're at the bottom you will find the footnotes,
Speaker 3: which where we link off to the information that we
Speaker 3: talked about in today's episode. We also link off to
Speaker 3: a song that we think you might enjoy. With Miles out,
Speaker 3: we usually ask super producer Justin Connor, is there a
Speaker 3: song that you think the people might enjoy.
Speaker 7: Yeah. This song is called Sunset Canyon by Fox Warren,
Speaker 7: and it's really fun to listen to because in my view,
Speaker 7: there's two ways I've seen a steel guitar applied to music,
Speaker 7: and it can either add like a rough stick feeling
Speaker 7: to a song or a relaxing, vintage surfer vibe, and
Speaker 7: this manages to do both in my opinion. If someone
Speaker 7: lives in like a seaside log cabin, this is the
Speaker 7: song for you. It's a nice, chilled out mood for
Speaker 7: a sunny autumn afternoon. For anyone else who doesn't have
Speaker 7: a seaside log cabin. But this song is called Sunset
Speaker 7: Canyon by Fox Warren, and you can find that song
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