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Speaker 2: Yeah, it has a little bit of new me repaced

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Speaker 2: We're no, And multiple points of Prometheus they're basically like,

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Speaker 3: Mike, Hello, Hi, we're furious over here about uh Prometheus.

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Speaker 3: But if you're an Aliens fan, then you are. Then

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Speaker 3: maybe I'm not one. I'm not, but I just know

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Speaker 3: Because I wasn't our point just that they're not a

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Speaker 5: Mike Kaplan AKA, a guy whose last album that came

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Speaker 5: advice will apply. Like I remember, I don't remember who

437
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Speaker 5: the guest was, but I was listening to the Dear

438
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 5: Prudence podcast, uh several years ago, and this is I've

439
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 5: seen this other places other times, but they offered this idea,

440
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 5: which is just never compare your insides to someone else's outsides.

441
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 5: If you know, if you're looking at somebody's social media

442
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 5: feed and be like, wow, why are they why is

443
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 5: everyone happy except for me? Well, because you're looking at

444
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 5: the photos that they took one thousand shots to get

445
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 5: the right one, and you're comparing it to your like,

446
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 5: you don't know every time they were like, damn it

447
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 5: didn't get that one, Damn it didn't get that one.

448
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 3: Just standing there, smile on their face, going checking this thing,

449
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 3: stone faced, going back, smile on their face, going back,

450
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 3: checking the stone face.

451
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 5: They're doing the target thing to themselves. They're like, okay, smile,

452
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 5: we're in four feet of this bone.

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Speaker 4: Smile. You can do it. Let's get it.

454
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 5: But yeah, we know, we know our cockpit, you know,

455
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 5: we see every dial and lever and button and you know,

456
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 5: emergency light. But for everyone else, it's just the outside

457
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 5: of the plane or like that plane looks like it

458
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Speaker 5: knows what it's doing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a fighter jet. Look at that thing. Wow,

460
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 3: I'm a lover, not a fighter jet.

461
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: But you know, also alternately, if you're a jet, if

462
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Speaker 2: you're a listen you're probably not listening to this if

463
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Speaker 2: you're this kind of person. But if you have the

464
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Speaker 2: exact opposite personality as Mike, you can also find advice

465
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 2: columns that just tell.

466
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Speaker 4: You women are the problems for all your problems. So

467
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Speaker 4: that is also available, also available.

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Speaker 5: It is an art form like many others, like I'm

469
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Speaker 5: a stand up comedian, and stand up comedy is not

470
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 5: a monolith. Obviously, you can find people, you know. There's

471
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 5: obviously the alt right comedy verse, which is, uh, you know,

472
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 5: who's the force is strong with them these days, you know,

473
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 5: the Darth Sith lords of comedy. But then there's also,

474
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Speaker 5: of course, you're you're Maria Bamford's and a Parnaan Surla's

475
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 5: and Tig Nataro's and Sarah Silverman's, you know, the kindness

476
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 5: bosses of comedy, you know, the self reflective you know,

477
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 5: discussing their own mental health and how we can all sincerely,

478
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Speaker 5: I mean humorously, like hilariously address things, you know, from

479
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Speaker 5: the inside. The people who are worried about having imposter

480
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 5: syndrome who shouldn't have that where versus the people who

481
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Speaker 5: don't have that worry who could stand to wonder if

482
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Speaker 5: they have it?

483
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Speaker 4: Possibly?

484
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Speaker 5: But yes, and advice columnists are I'm sure no different,

485
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Speaker 5: certainly there if you want, I bet there are some

486
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Speaker 5: alt right podcast advice columns out there as well.

487
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Speaker 3: I myself have not stumbled across them yet.

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Speaker 2: You know, the thing that needs to be like distributed

489
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Speaker 2: more than even money, I feel, is self doubt. We

490
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Speaker 2: just need If we had an evening distribution of self

491
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 2: doubt in the world, it would be everything so much better.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, there's this, there's this absolutely there's this

493
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Speaker 5: thing that I love from the Talmud, which is, you know,

494
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 5: collection of Jewish teachings and wisdom and what rabbis said

495
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 5: about what other rabbis said, and there's this one thing

496
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Speaker 5: in it where a rabbi says, I have a piece

497
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Speaker 5: of paper in my pocket that says this world was

498
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 5: created for you. And I have a piece of paper

499
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 5: in my other pocket that says you are nothing but

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Speaker 5: ash and dust, and so this world was created for you.

501
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 5: You're nothing but ash and dust. Those are both true,

502
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 5: valuable things to remember, Like if your head gets too big,

503
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 5: remember you're also in the grandest scheme of the universe.

504
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 5: You're You're not the center of it. You're not everything.

505
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Speaker 5: There are other people, there are other beings, Like there

506
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 5: is a whole world, you know, in infinity of universe

507
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Speaker 5: that you were not a part of until you were

508
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Speaker 5: born and won't be a part of for another billions

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Speaker 5: of years.

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Speaker 4: You are.

511
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 3: If you think you're everything, maybe consider that you might

512
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Speaker 3: be also a little bit closer to nothing.

513
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Speaker 5: Whereas if you grow up and have the messages given

514
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 5: you you are nothing. You are not worthwhile to be like, well,

515
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 5: this world was created for you. You are the center

516
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 5: of your own conscious experience. You deserve to be heard

517
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 5: if you like you know. I don't mean to not

518
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 5: to make this only about gender, but certainly people in

519
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 5: our society, socialized as women, girls, female people in our society.

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Speaker 5: You know, the the the ideas like, oh, you know,

521
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 5: you're you're rewarded for being quiet, for acquiescing, for going along,

522
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 5: for listening, for not taking up too much space, whereas

523
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Speaker 5: you know, little boys and men and boys to men of.

524
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Speaker 3: Course are our talk. Yes exactly, not boys to men.

525
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Speaker 5: But you know, the especially and it's not only I'm

526
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Speaker 5: sure it's every privileged group.

527
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Speaker 3: It's not just men. It's also white people.

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Speaker 5: It's also straight people, it's also able bodied people, it's

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Speaker 5: also cisgender people. You know, when you are the majority

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Speaker 5: or the salient appearance in society, like for myself, I

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Speaker 5: am many of those things. You know, I am straight, cis, white,

532
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Speaker 5: able bodied, you know, an American citizen from birth. You know,

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Speaker 5: I have many privileges that I wasn't aware of until

534
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 5: I started learning about them. And so for me, I

535
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 5: was given growing up by my family and society. The

536
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Speaker 5: thumb really pressed down hard on the side of the

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Speaker 5: scale that said this world was created for you. And

538
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 5: so when I started doing comedy and being an adult

539
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 5: and meeting different people and who had different perspectives, I

540
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 5: was like, oh, listening to other people also valuable for

541
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Speaker 5: its own sake to have other people be heard and

542
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 5: also learn more myself about experiences that are not my own.

543
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 5: And so yeah, if you have started your life somewhere,

544
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 5: or if you're at a point in your life where

545
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 5: you are like not heard as much, then it feels

546
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 5: it's important for you to learn to hopefully advocate for

547
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 5: yourself and speak up and find people who affirm you

548
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 5: and value you and support and endorse and celebrate. But

549
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Speaker 5: for you know, for I'm a man, and there's a

550
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 5: lot of us out there who could stand to learn

551
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 5: the lesson. And not again, not just men and not

552
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 5: all men, but yeah, the the So, if you've never

553
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 5: self doubted, consider self doubt.

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00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 4: Try it, try it, try it. You'll like it.

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00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 3: Maybe it's super Bowl commercial for self doubt. Got Jesus

556
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Speaker 3: one from the past two years. What about maybe some

557
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 3: self doubt. Let's let's take a quick break, we'll come back,

558
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Speaker 3: we'll do your overrate and get into some news.

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Speaker 4: And we're back and.

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Speaker 3: Mike, we do like task our guests, what's something you

561
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Speaker 3: think is overrated?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so, I guess my shortest answer could be sports.

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Speaker 5: But that's I understand there are many beautiful stories and

564
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 5: families and friendships and connections people have to it just personally,

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Speaker 5: that's not where my I, you know, understanding and connection

566
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 5: to you know, to society and humanity live absolutely. But

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Speaker 5: I'll also say, sort of as a combo overrated underrated,

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Speaker 5: I would say overrated is comedy that other people like.

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Speaker 5: Underrated is comedy that you yourself like, like truly, that

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Speaker 5: is what I say with respect, like whoever it is,

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Speaker 5: whoever that because and here's the thing. It's not to

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Speaker 5: say that there's some really popular comedians who are great

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Speaker 5: and I love, and yet they're even at a certain

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Speaker 5: point like that, probably you don't stop when you're rated

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00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 5: exactly the right amount. Like you know, if if Kevin

576
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Speaker 5: Hart's your guy, like maybe you love seeing him in

577
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Speaker 5: every commercial, you know, but maybe you don't. And if

578
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 5: if Kevin Hart's not your guy, if you're like, oh,

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Speaker 5: you know, if Joe Firestones your your favorite comedian, or

580
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Speaker 5: Nick vaderat or Baron Vaughn or James a castor you know,

581
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Speaker 5: there's so many medians who certainly my mom has not

582
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 5: heard of yet, and your mom may not have heard

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00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 5: of yet. And so there's I would say that's another

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Speaker 5: I guess underrated. I guess I guess what I'm saying

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00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 5: is overrated is talking about what's overrated. I'd rather talk

586
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 5: about what's underrated. You know, Yeah, so talking about the underdogs.

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Speaker 3: But I do think that's a good that's a good point.

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00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,479
Speaker 3: Like I was just talking to somebody who was like,

589
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Speaker 3: I really like, you know, I think you should leave

590
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 3: and the chair company and they were like, yeah, I've

591
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 3: been like trying to get into I think you should leave,

592
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: and like I just it never worked.

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Speaker 4: Like I watched every episode. I was like, why did

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Speaker 4: you do that?

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Speaker 3: It's clearly it's like I was that show the very

596
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 3: first skit, I was like had tears pouring down my

597
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 3: face laughing, and the people I was on a plane

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00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 3: with like thought there was something wrong with me, and

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00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: like that's so just like find that for yourself, like

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Speaker 3: if it's not happening, don't try and like it's not

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00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 3: that like somebody else is like you know, right, and

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00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 3: you just need to like work to get yourself. That

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00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 3: is just like there's something wrong with me. That's not

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00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 3: wrong with you or you know what I mean or

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Speaker 3: right o me? But you know, like that is just

606
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Speaker 3: like that shape.

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Speaker 5: If I may, my girlfriend RENI, who is that. We

608
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 5: have a lot in common. You know, we're not the

609
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 5: exact same person, but we have similar taste in a

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Speaker 5: lot of things, like a lot of comedians that I love,

611
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 5: she loves, and vice versa. We're not the exact same

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Speaker 5: but I watched I Think you Should Leave before she did,

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00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 5: and I was going to share it with her, and

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Speaker 5: like the first episode, we turned off because she was

615
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Speaker 5: like too chaotic, like I can't write, I don't understand,

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Speaker 5: this is not a flavor that I need or want.

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00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 5: But then I shared Detroiters with her, and Detroitters she loved,

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Speaker 5: and by the end of watching all of Detroit Ter's

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Speaker 5: she was like, I think I have a greater understanding,

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Speaker 5: a greater context for like what is going on with

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Speaker 5: Tim Robinson's comedy and brain. And then we did She's

622
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Speaker 5: like I think I can I get it now, and

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Speaker 5: we started watching I Think You Should Leave, and with

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Speaker 5: that context, with that framing, she loved it and loves

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Speaker 5: it and we saw friendship and we love the Chair Company.

626
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 5: So yeah, he is now basically invented a new flavor

627
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 5: that like when like when a baby tries something a

628
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 5: new food for the first time, it's always like yeah

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Speaker 5: and then yeah, you know, like when when it's something

630
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Speaker 5: is unknown, when something is mysterious, it often can be

631
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Speaker 5: frightening or weird or we don't get it. But then

632
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Speaker 5: once you're like, it doesn't mean that you don't like it,

633
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 5: like it just means you might need the Like when

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Speaker 5: Stephen Sondheim wrote the musical A Funny Thing Happens on

635
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Speaker 5: the Way to the Forum. When it first came out,

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Speaker 5: it bombed and nobody. Apparently people didn't get that it

637
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 5: was a comedy, so he went back and wrote a

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Speaker 5: new opening number called Comedy Tonight, which.

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Speaker 3: Basically delivered the message is idle yeah ad a sing

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Speaker 3: up front.

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Speaker 5: Maybe the original title was a thing happened on the

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00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 5: way to the Forum, you know, because like what, who

643
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 5: knows what kind of thing the forum?

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Speaker 3: Ancient realm or Greece or wherever. Boring couldn't become.

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Speaker 5: But truly having the framing of it being comedy led

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Speaker 5: people to get it. So having the right framing for

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Speaker 5: I think you should leave led rene to discover it.

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00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 5: So I'm not saying that whoever this person is like

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Speaker 5: absolutely like I wouldn't recommend I think you should leave

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Speaker 5: to everyone, but as a gateway, do try to.

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Speaker 3: If you like.

652
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Speaker 5: Detroit Ters, try Detroiters, which I think is really warm

653
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 5: and sweet. And if you then enjoy the weirdness of Detroiters,

654
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 5: then try to dip your toe in. I think maybe

655
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 5: you shouldn't leave. Yeah, maybe that's a that's a better rampant.

656
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 2: I was going to say the sort of opposite thing

657
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: to Jack's friend, which is that, like, I feel like

658
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: so many people get the advice like, oh, you got

659
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: to give it like a bunch of episodes or whatever. Yeah,

660
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 2: I actually think it's fine to just tap out it.

661
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 3: There's just so much good comedy, comedy, yeah, everything.

662
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 5: I have a friend who never got into Breaking Bad,

663
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 5: like I think Breaking Bad is. I mean, it's I

664
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 5: watched it myself, I watched it with friends. I watched

665
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 5: it with Renie, you know, we watched Better Calls Salt,

666
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 5: Like it's amazing art, like, it's funny, it's dramatic, it's

667
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 5: it's really weird and cool and great. And also I

668
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 5: have a friend who's like I watched the first episode

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00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 5: or two, ah, not for me, And and I think

670
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 5: I said or somebody else said. They're like, oh, you

671
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 5: got to give it like, you know, six or seven episodes,

672
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 5: and he's like, I gotta give it like three movies

673
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 5: worth of time before I can decide that this isn't

674
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Speaker 5: for me.

675
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 3: And so I think that's completely valid.

676
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 5: Like there obviously are things that take time to like

677
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 5: get the tone or get you know, get into the vibe.

678
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 5: Like every work, every great work of art, many of

679
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 5: them teach you how to experience them. Like if you've

680
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 5: never read Dickens or you've never you know, Moby dick

681
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 5: is weird, you know, but if you get like truly yeah,

682
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 5: any yeah, Moby Dickens, you know, anything like that. And

683
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 5: I say this not as somebody. I have not read

684
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 5: all of Moby Dick. I have read some Dickens. RENI,

685
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 5: my wonderful partner, has read like she started a project

686
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 5: like seven years ago to read all of like the

687
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 5: agreed upon great the works of classic literature. Start she

688
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 5: started with Moby dick. She then went on to Anna

689
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 5: Karinna and a bunch of Dickens, and like then, I

690
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 5: I had just had a memory of it being like.

691
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Speaker 3: In school going uh, no, thank you homework.

692
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Speaker 5: I don't think so, but like if you don't have

693
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Speaker 5: to read it, like actually, you know, there's some funny

694
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 5: dickens out there and it's like just but it's a

695
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 5: different thing, and so like every but yeah, I guess

696
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 5: the main message is try something.

697
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 3: If it's not for you, that's cool.

698
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'm at the age where I kind of every like

700
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: every so often I'm like, I would really like to

701
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 2: take a literature class, like a college literature class now,

702
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: and I would do all of the work this time.

703
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

704
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 3: I graduated with a philosophy degree, and as I was

705
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 3: like trading in my philosophy books like after graduating, I

706
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 3: was like, man, there's like I could just like read

707
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 3: the stuff that I always wanted to read, and it

708
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 3: became like so much more interesting to me, just like

709
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 3: outside of the context of homework.

710
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're turning in those bodies and you're like, oh, man,

711
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 5: I could have just been looking at a tree this

712
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 5: whole time.

713
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 4: Stack him up.

714
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 3: You ever tried that?

715
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: All?

716
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 3: Right, we should get into some stories.

717
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 4: This is just more so.

718
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 3: We talked on yesterday's episode about the guy conducting the

719
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 3: National Orchestra who is like just a Trump appointee who

720
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 3: is trying to be I think Secretary of State, and

721
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 3: then they like put him in charge of the Kennedy

722
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Speaker 3: Center and he like he just didn't make a wish

723
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Speaker 3: thing where he like went up and conducted the like

724
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 3: best musicians in America and like didn't know what he

725
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 3: was doing. And I think just like had the assumption

726
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: that he like this is not yeah, exactly like the

727
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 3: thing that we all assumed when we first saw conductors

728
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Speaker 3: when we were like four years old. A billionaire last

729
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 3: year brought his way onto the USTA Tour to play

730
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Speaker 3: professional tennis and get rinsed, and then also to a

731
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Speaker 3: lesser degree, like Donald Trump, thinking he was going to

732
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Speaker 3: get like a call un response level response from the

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Speaker 3: NFL crowd when he went there, he was like repeat

734
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Speaker 3: after me and did like a you know, swearing in

735
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Speaker 3: oh thing with the crowd and was just like drown

736
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Speaker 3: out by boost. So I just feel like there is

737
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Speaker 3: a lack of awareness, a lack of just like connection

738
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Speaker 3: to reality that is happening both with this administration and

739
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Speaker 3: with the extremely wealthy. And then this morning, one of

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Speaker 3: our best AKA writers and favorite guests, Christy Almgucci Mane,

741
00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 3: on Twitter, shared this video of Jeff Bezos entering a

742
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Speaker 3: stadium through a laser tube that was like coming up

743
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 3: out of the earth, flanked by lightsaber wielding guards with

744
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 3: these like wrap around Is it Jordi from Star Trek

745
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 3: or maybe yeah, Jordy wla forge sunglasses, staring straight forward

746
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 3: and like doing like trained soldier movements. And he you know,

747
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 3: rightly pointed out that like you couldn't right this level

748
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 3: of even evil billionaire in a movie. Everybody would just

749
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 3: be like what yeh right, it's really Zoolander, doctor evil

750
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 3: coded shit.

751
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: I mean, at the end of the day, these people

752
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: are rich and evil and powerful, but like they can

753
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 2: kill you, but they can't make you think they're cool, right,

754
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: Like they can literally murder you and whatever, but for

755
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 2: all of their power, they just can't. They can't make

756
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 2: you think they're cool.

757
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 5: And right, Like with the guy who paid money to

758
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Speaker 5: get to quote unquote be a conductor, you know, do

759
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 5: conductor cosplay, Like I can understand why the organization was,

760
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 5: like we could really use that money to like make

761
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 5: good art, which you know, a lot of comedians have

762
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 5: been like on a sitcom that might not have been

763
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Speaker 5: their favorite sitcom, but that you know, I don't I

764
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 5: think Patton Oswalt is wonderful and he was on the

765
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 5: King of Queens and he used that money to like

766
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Speaker 5: fund the comedians of Comedy Tour that launched the careers

767
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 5: of like zach Alafanakis and Brian Vamford and Brian post Say.

768
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Speaker 5: And so I think that, you know, if you for

769
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Speaker 5: an arts organization to be like, yeah, like give a

770
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 5: thank you, like obviously everybody gets it. Everybody's not like, wow,

771
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 5: this guy is as good a conductor, like he's on

772
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 5: our stage conducting, like you can do the thing. You can,

773
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 5: you know, go through the motions, but it doesn't make

774
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 5: you have the experience of like, you know, you can

775
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 5: memorize words in another language, and doesn't mean that you

776
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 5: are fluent in the language. You aren't able to communicate

777
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 5: if you don't actually take the steps to do the work.

778
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 5: And so yeah, I mean obviously anything I feel like

779
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 5: I'm a fan of anything where money goes from the

780
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 5: people who have too much to people who don't have

781
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 5: enough or could use it better. I mean like Elon,

782
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 5: you know, has so much money that he got he

783
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 5: can go on stage with Dave Chappelle at a certain

784
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 5: point and and it but it doesn't mean that people

785
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 5: will like the things that he's saying.

786
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 4: He can't it doesn't make him good at stand.

787
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 3: Up, like it's it's fast, it's fascinating, like something else

788
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 3: makes him at stand up. I guess because he.

789
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Speaker 5: Brought that sink into his workplace, right, I know, I know,

790
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 5: ye the dollars.

791
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 2: Letting you actualize your shitty ideas is the hardest thing

792
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: for them, so that they can do it, But that

793
00:41:59,160 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: doesn't make it good.

794
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're so in their own world too, like they're

795
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,959
Speaker 3: just in like they haven't taken a breath outside of

796
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 3: the biosphere of like yes men and people who work

797
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 3: for them that they exist inside and so like at

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00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 3: least with an artist there they have to be in

799
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 3: touch with their audience. But these people are just like

800
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 3: so far off on another planet that we're getting a

801
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 3: really accurate snapshot of just like what they think is cool,

802
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 3: like with any input from the outside world. And it's

803
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 3: really sad.

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Speaker 5: It's really sad, feel I feel, you know, I hope

805
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 5: that everyone discovers the truth you know and is able

806
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 5: to you know, grow and change and learn. But here's

807
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 5: like an analogy that I think goes along with what

808
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 5: you're saying. When I was in college, I had a

809
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 5: friend who didn't like cream cheese. She's like, anything with

810
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 5: cream cheese in it, I hate it. I like cream cheese.

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Speaker 5: And then one day, where as like part of her personality,

812
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 5: one day we're at lunch and she's eating a carrot

813
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 5: cake and it has cream cheese frosting, and I say, hey,

814
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 5: just remind me you don't like cream cheese, and she

815
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 5: says yes. I was like, and are you enjoying the cake?

816
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 5: And she says I am, And I say, what do

817
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 5: you know that that's actually cream cheese frosting that you're eating.

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00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 5: And then instead of saying like, oh, then I guess

819
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 5: there's some situations where I do like, she just pushes

820
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 5: it away from her and says, then I guess I

821
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 5: don't like it.

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Speaker 3: I was about what I like.

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Speaker 5: And I think that's what's happening with like you said,

824
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 5: the a lot of you know, rich, powerful, monetarily people

825
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 5: spend time surrounding themselves with yes people, many yes men,

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00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 5: and and yeah.

827
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Speaker 3: A lot of yes.

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Speaker 5: And the fact is that they could love like an artist,

829
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 5: they could love a comedian, they could love someone. But

830
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 5: if they love someone who can't be bought, and they

831
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 5: say I love this person. And then if that person says, actually,

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Speaker 5: you know, like Bruce Springsteen saying like, don't use my songs,

833
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 5: or like any other artists being like, you know, you

834
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 5: want to use their art because you love their art

835
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Speaker 5: for whatever reason. And then when they speak out and say, actually,

836
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Speaker 5: I'm not a fan of what you're doing in these

837
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 5: ways for these reasons, then they're like, well, then I

838
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 5: guess I don't like it.

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Speaker 4: Actually I was wrong about it.

840
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 5: When I mean, the way to grow and connect with

841
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Speaker 5: other people is to like truly.

842
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 4: I mean, I admit this.

843
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 5: I I know that I am. I don't know everything.

844
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 5: I know that I don't everything, and I won't hear

845
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 5: it hardly. I can almost not admit it.

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00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 4: I don't admit that.

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Speaker 5: I do a bit on stage sometimes now where I

848
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 5: ask an audience a member to ask me if I

849
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Speaker 5: know something that I couldn't know about their life or

850
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 5: their job or where they live or anything. And so

851
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 5: if they say, like one guy, he was a forensic pathologist,

852
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 5: and so he said to me, do you know how

853
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 5: to identify the time of death when a body is dead?

854
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 5: And I said, probably, because that's what I say at that,

855
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 5: I'm like, it's a thing that can be known.

856
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 3: I probably know it.

857
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 4: But there's people like so I think everyone.

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00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 5: You know, the wisest people, your Socrates, is, you're Confucius

859
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 5: is they like they're famous for saying I know what

860
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 5: I don't know, or I know that I don't know.

861
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 5: I don't even know what they said, but I know

862
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 5: that they said. They admit when they don't know things

863
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 5: that it's it's it's a wise powerful strength to admit

864
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 5: when you don't know something you can grow to. You

865
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 5: can only learn something if you didn't know it. So

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00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 5: if you're closed off to information or ideas that are

867
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Speaker 5: different than the ones you already think, like, that's the

868
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 5: it's weirdly like the it's the dumbest to think that

869
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 5: you're the smartest is the dumbest.

870
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,240
Speaker 3: Ye, Yes, exactly. I also want to get to Elon Musk,

871
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 3: who got called out by Joyce Carol Oates on Twitter

872
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 3: and then spent like seventy two hours trying to prove

873
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 3: that he is a human with human feelings and like

874
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 3: taste in film. So original post was so curious that

875
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 3: such a wealthy man never posts anything that indicates that

876
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 3: he enjoys or is even aware of what virtually everyone

877
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 3: appreciates scenes from nature, pet dogger, cat, praise for a movie, music,

878
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 3: a book, but doubt that he reads pride in a

879
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 3: friends or relatives, accomplishment condolences for someone who has died,

880
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 3: pleasure in sports, acclaim for a favorite team, references to history.

881
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 3: In fact, he seems totally uneducated, uncultured. The poorest persons

882
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 3: on Twitter may have access to more beauty and meaning

883
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 3: in life than the quote most wealthy person in the world.

884
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 3: And he, you know, called her like mean Oats is

885
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 3: a liar and delights in being mean, not a good human.

886
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 3: But his clap back, but then he spent the rest

887
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: of the day talking about like movies he likes, so

888
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 3: clearly he was and the movies were like Man on

889
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 3: Fire is great. Fifth Element has great style.

890
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 5: Oh, I mean Fifth Element does have great style.

891
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's so interesting. I heard this thing.

892
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 5: I feel like this might have been Confucius, but it

893
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 5: was like, it's not something to paraphrase. It's like, it's

894
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 5: not good to try to be liked by everyone, because

895
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 5: you won't be liked by everyone. It's good to try

896
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 5: and be like liked or respected by people whose opinions

897
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 5: are of value to you, you know, like if you

898
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 5: like as a you know, obviously as a comedian, like

899
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 5: audiences are one metric of how good a comedian is,

900
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 5: like how much people, but people can make people laugh

901
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 5: with stolen jokes or older, unoriginal jokes. Uh, And like

902
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 5: I think the best comedians are the ones. I mean,

903
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 5: my favorite comedians are my favorite comedians. But if you ask,

904
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 5: you know me, my favorite comedians, like I'll name people

905
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 5: like Maria Bamford, and if you ask Stephen Colbert, he'll

906
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 5: also name her, and so many of your favorite comedian whoever,

907
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 5: your favorite comedian is, like who are their favorite comedians

908
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 5: and who are their favorite comedians? Eventually you'll get you know,

909
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 5: You'll you'll get a lot of Davitel's, You'll get a

910
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 5: lot of Hedberg's. You'll get a lot of Reggie Watts's.

911
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 5: You know you'll get you'll get a lot of really

912
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 5: great like agreed upon you know, kind of like not

913
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 5: the popular vote and not even the electoral college, but

914
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 5: sort of just like the the inn group, the experts

915
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 5: opinions and so in like the way to live life,

916
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 5: Like I have a friend who This is an experience

917
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 5: she had where she was working at a college while

918
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 5: she was getting her degree, and so she was working

919
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 5: an administrative job and she had dreams of like, you know,

920
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 5: she's an artist, she's a poet, she's a comedian, she's

921
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 5: a performer. She's like maybe thinking about opening a cafe

922
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 5: that's also a performance space and you know, getting to

923
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 5: be like an artist collective. And she was talking with

924
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 5: a fellow worker who's on you know, her level, and

925
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 5: the worker was like, you know what you should do?

926
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 5: And I think my friend is a kind person and

927
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 5: didn't say this to her face, but said to me,

928
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 5: She's like, I don't want advice from people who are

929
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 5: where I am. I want advice from people who are

930
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 5: where I want to be. And so like for for

931
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 5: a person to like who, who's whose reverence do you want?

932
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 3: If you want reverence, like who's approval? Whose appreciation?

933
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,959
Speaker 5: Like I love meeting another comedian, and I mean even

934
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 5: like yourself, Andrew, Like we've been we've known each other

935
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 5: on social media at least for many years, you know,

936
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 5: and I be when because I think I saw you

937
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 5: because some of my friends were either on your podcast

938
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 5: or were interacting with you or had retweeted you or

939
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 5: you had shared them, and I was like, oh, my

940
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 5: friend likes this person. Let me have I'm not gonna

941
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 5: just like this person because my friend likes this person,

942
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 5: but I'm gonna use that as a que to look

943
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 5: at your stuff and be like, oh, now I from

944
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 5: the inside also like this person.

945
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 3: I like this person's work. I like what they're doing,

946
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 3: and like now I'm like, oh, and you also now

947
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 3: know me and know what I do and like what

948
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 3: I do. That's cool, And that's not what's happening for Joyce,

949
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 3: Carol Oates and Elon. He wants to be liked by

950
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 3: everyone is essentially like it does feel like he.

951
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 2: I mean, he's like the speed running Citizen Kane in public,

952
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 2: which is I guess what Twitter has done to people.

953
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 2: But it's just like how bereft of any like joy.

954
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 3: I mean, he he made that prompt like the day

955
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 3: that she said that, he made a prompt in with

956
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 3: using rock the image AI generator with there was just

957
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 3: a woman that said with the words I will always

958
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 3: love you underneath it. It is just like.

959
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 2: Dark dark, not even the best use of the words

960
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: I will always love you.

961
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, what's wrong with man I as a as a comedian, like,

962
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 5: when you start out doing comedy for those that don't know,

963
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 5: you do a lot of open mics, and you get

964
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 5: a lot of silence. You know, you get a lot

965
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 5: of there's a lot of a big learning curve, and

966
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 5: you know, for some it takes you know, some people

967
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 5: are great out the gate, but it's much more common

968
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 5: to not be great out the gate, and you spend

969
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 5: months and years of you know, honing and editing and

970
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 5: listening back to sets, and you know, theoretically quote unquote

971
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 5: failing in public and eventually discovering like what you enjoy

972
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 5: that other people enjoy, what makes you laugh that make

973
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 5: other people laugh. And I feel like that is like

974
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 5: what Elon is trying to do, is what the equivalent

975
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 5: of an open my comedian is trying to do, just

976
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 5: throwing everything at the wall to see what my is

977
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 5: this what everyone will like?

978
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 3: Is this what everyone will like? Is this what everyone

979
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 3: will like?

980
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 5: And as a new comedian in my twenties, I was like,

981
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 5: I don't know what people like. I don't know, like,

982
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 5: I know what I think is fun and good and interesting,

983
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 5: but there's a lot of stuff I think I've written

984
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 5: for every joke that I continue to tell on stage

985
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 5: because it works. There are I can't even tell you,

986
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 5: probably thousands tens of that, however, many thousands of jokes

987
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 5: that I have tried to write that maybe I could

988
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 5: make work today if I put in enough time. But

989
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 5: it's just in the beginning. It's a numbers game. It's quantity,

990
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 5: and eventually you settle into like, oh, this is what

991
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 5: I want to talk about. This is like what I

992
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 5: care about, this is what's meaningful to me, this is

993
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,720
Speaker 5: what I'm gonna spend my time on. But it seems

994
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 5: like and there a lot of people when you're when

995
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 5: you're new, want a short cut, and there's the There

996
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 5: is no shortcut. There is only putting time and work

997
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 5: and effort into it and not just paying to be

998
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,760
Speaker 5: on stage with the conductor of comedy.

999
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 2: Elon is a like I opened my Communitian who bombed

1000
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 2: one time and then bought every comedy club and also

1001
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 2: every performance venue on Earth in response.

1002
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 3: And then is trying to do the open mic winnowing

1003
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 3: honing process into a galaxy of sycophants who are just

1004
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 3: like It's import for him.

1005
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 2: The problem is he gets enough feedback that he likes it,

1006
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 2: but humanity still can easily see he is not funny.

1007
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, anybody who's not coming in just being like,

1008
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 3: I want this guy to like me. Maybe he'll make

1009
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 3: me rich too. Yeah, we've own the libs.

1010
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 4: That's true. That's how you do that. He did that.

1011
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 3: We should take a quick break. I want to talk

1012
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 3: about Target forcing employees to smile, and we'll be right back.

1013
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 3: And we're back, and there's a there's a new program

1014
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 3: at Target called the ten to four Program Good Buddy,

1015
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 3: which follows similarly creepy rules enacted by Walmart and Disney.

1016
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 3: So store employees are now required to smile if they

1017
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,720
Speaker 3: are within ten feet of a shopper. They also must

1018
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 3: make eye contact with a wave to or greet the

1019
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 3: customer if they're within four feet. The employee should ask

1020
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 3: how the customer's day is going or if they need help.

1021
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 3: And this is first of all. They should like pay

1022
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 3: their employees a little wait, that would be one thing,

1023
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 3: or pay them for all the time they're working. Target

1024
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 3: warehouse workers had to take legal action to actually get

1025
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 3: paid for the thirty minutes it takes them to walk

1026
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 3: from the entrance to their workstation. Yeah, Target is bad

1027
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 3: at this, but I do just find this this interesting.

1028
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 3: Like I've definitely been to Trader Joe's and had the

1029
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 3: experience of like being lost in thought and somebody like

1030
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 3: the checkout person starting a mandatory small talk conversation with

1031
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 3: me and like being kind of thrown and feeling a

1032
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 3: little weird and alienated by it. But I just think

1033
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:02,240
Speaker 3: it's an interesting like the it's a thing that if

1034
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 3: people came down or like outside of history, if people

1035
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 3: from other eras were able to look in, I think

1036
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 3: it would be one of the things that everyone thought

1037
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 3: was weird about our culture, is like like because there's

1038
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 3: I remember there was an either Radio Lab or This

1039
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 3: American Life episode from the early days of podcasting where

1040
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 3: they talked about the phenomenon of when they first opened

1041
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 3: the McDonald's in Russia after the wall fell, and everyone

1042
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 3: was like the people who worked there were just like

1043
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 3: what the fuck do you mean smile at them? Like what,

1044
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 3: like what are you talking about? And they had like

1045
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 3: the hardest time getting them to do it, and ultimately

1046
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,760
Speaker 3: like gave up on it. There's also something called smile

1047
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:46,439
Speaker 3: mask syndrome, which was diagnosed in Japanese young women who

1048
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 3: like work in the service industry where they have to

1049
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 3: like smile so much that like this psychologist was like

1050
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 3: they were still smiling while relating like really stressful or

1051
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 3: troubling experiences, which I think is like the movie, the

1052
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 3: horror movie Smile, but and like it's again they're like

1053
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 3: this came because of Tokyo Disneyland, which opened in nineteen

1054
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 3: eighty three, and then throughout the eighties they found this

1055
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 3: thing of like the obligatory smile in the workplace, creating

1056
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 3: this sort of psychological or like existential weirdness that people

1057
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 3: have a hard time dealing with.

1058
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 5: Do you know I co sign everything you're saying, And

1059
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 5: I obviously like capitalism is this is a feature of it,

1060
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 5: you know, not a bug. This is it's a it's

1061
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 5: a trap and it's unfortunate and would be better if

1062
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 5: you know, people all could be more self directed in

1063
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 5: how they want to live their life and not need

1064
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 5: to be behold into these massive corporations. Like my girlfriend

1065
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 5: used to work at a you know, a big department

1066
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 5: store in the fine jewelry department, and you know, like

1067
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 5: there were times when if you didn't like some people,

1068
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 5: if you didn't sell as much as others in one month,

1069
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 5: Like if a couple months in a row, your job

1070
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 5: was potentially at risk. But there were times when if

1071
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,959
Speaker 5: she sold enough in like the beginning of the month,

1072
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 5: then the rest of the month she could relax and.

1073
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 3: She would actually sell.

1074
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 5: She would be a better employee then because she was

1075
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 5: relaxed and not you know, constantly masking and constantly you know,

1076
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 5: on her toes to be like I gotta do this.

1077
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 5: I got because it's ultimately, I would say, at best,

1078
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 5: it's I mean, it's like acting, you know, like you

1079
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Speaker 5: get a job as an actor, like well, in this scene,

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Speaker 5: maybe smile because the character is happy, you know, And

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00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 5: maybe a director could be you know, as you know,

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00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 5: difficult to deal with if it's a difficult director. But

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00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 5: I ideally, if you're making art, it's gonna be. But

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00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 5: here's the I don't want to I don't know that

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00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 5: I even believe what I'm about to say, but I

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00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 5: want to present this as as an option. I do

1087
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 5: think that there's like this the guys of familial you know,

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00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 5: happenstance in workplaces like we're a family here, you know,

1089
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 5: like hey, which they use like it's not a family.

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00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 5: It's your job that you agree to do something and

1091
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 5: they agree to give you money, and like, hopefully you

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00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 5: get along with your coworkers, you get hopefully your boss

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00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 5: is a kind human being. Hopefully, But they sometimes use

1094
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,479
Speaker 5: that to say like, hey, maybe put in some extra

1095
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 5: time because we're all a family here.

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00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 3: You don't just back out on your family.

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00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 4: But so with it.

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00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 5: In opposition to that, I feel like there is something

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00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 5: nice about saying the quiet part out loud, or saying

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00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 5: it saying it explicitly to be like, look, we're paying

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00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 5: you to be the face of this company, which involves like,

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Speaker 5: here's definitive directives, like as opposed to just being like hey,

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00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 5: when people are around, try to be cool. Try to

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00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 5: make it seem like there have to be like, look,

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00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 5: we're hiring you to smile when you're at this particular

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00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 5: trajectory at this juncture. Hey, you're eleven feet I love

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00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 5: that if you're eleven feet away from people.

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00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 3: Flow nuts with your face, you know, just like shut

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00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 3: it down, like, don't give them a line that will

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00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 3: not come within ten feet of you.

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00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 4: Just just sort of shuffle away as they get closer.

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00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 3: Right, Oh yeah, so you're running a zone defense in basketball,

1113
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 3: you're like trying to stay in between people.

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Speaker 5: That's like there's I think this is somebody's joke. It

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00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 5: might be the comedian Tony v in Boston, who's an

1116
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 5: incredible comedian. I know he has some jokes about scientists

1117
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 5: who study dolphins, and so this might be from his bit,

1118
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 5: or it might just be a fact that I learned

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00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 5: somewhere along the way or somebody else's bit, but that

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00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 5: some dolphin was trained to like get litter out of

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Speaker 5: its enclosure. Like if there was like pieces of paper

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00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 5: or debris, it would pick them up and then you

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00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 5: would it would get fish, you know, get food for

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00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 5: each piece of paper that it delivered each piece of trash.

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Speaker 5: So dolphins, I don't you know, they're smart. So dolphins

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00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 5: would then start, after they realized the system ripping trash

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00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 5: in half, they would start ripping the pieces of paper

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Speaker 5: and being like two pieces of fish, please, Like I

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01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 5: got you two garbages, so give me two foods.

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Speaker 3: And so I feel like that.

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Speaker 5: Also, I wonder how how Target employees are going to

1132
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 5: gamify it. They're like, where's the ten foot mark? Like

1133
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 5: nothing in the rule book that says I have to

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Speaker 5: move into the zone.

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Speaker 2: This is a big corporate game of I'm not touching you,

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01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 2: They're just fucking running. I mean obviously, like this is

1137
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 2: just poor even if you want to just be shackled

1138
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 2: with the strictures of capitalism, this is just poor management.

1139
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 2: Like you shouldn't need to define this if everything else

1140
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 2: was being managed correctly. But I do think this this

1141
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 2: has like a really nice letter of the law, not

1142
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 2: spirit of the law, opportunity for some enterprising Target employees.

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01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 5: Absolutely, it's you want to address the not this is

1144
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 5: addressing the symptoms, like the external like, hey, your face

1145
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 5: isn't doing what we wanted to do.

1146
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 3: What do we do to make your face smile?

1147
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 4: Order you to smile?

1148
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,919
Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, superducer cat there and asks if they're

1149
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 3: trying to combat the gen Z stare, which I think, oh, yeah,

1150
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 3: the thing but that is a big news story. We

1151
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 3: were like gen Z look at us, like they don't

1152
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 3: know what we're talking about.

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01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is this is all I'm reading

1154
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 2: here is this is a nationwide fakest smile contest for

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01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 2: all Target employees.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just most unnerving smile. Can I help you?

1157
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 3: They should just hire everyone to wear a mask. That

1158
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 3: is the target bullseye over their face. You know, Oh

1159
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 3: my god, that's kind of like a smile at the bottom.

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Speaker 4: I would love that, honestly.

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Speaker 3: I do personally just feel like like set on edge,

1162
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 3: like anytime someone is starting an interaction with me, Like

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01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 3: I feel like you can tell the difference when it's

1164
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 3: like enforced and when it's not. And usually any sort

1165
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:54,479
Speaker 3: of forced social exchange is like you know, someone trying

1166
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 3: to con you or sell you something or something like that.

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01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 3: So I just like have an immediate like detection of like, yeah,

1168
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Speaker 3: you get away from it.

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01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 2: But also target management, you know, maybe you could also

1170
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 2: just not loudly trumpet how you don't support de I

1171
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 2: or you know, like not lock up all your here,

1172
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 2: all your remotely valuable things. Maybe that's why people don't

1173
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 2: like shopping at targeting or not not the lack of

1174
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 2: fake smiles from children of the corn.

1175
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 3: What do people like friends? We're going to be their friends.

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Speaker 3: That's yeah, Mike, such a pleasure having you on the

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Speaker 3: daily Zeicheist. Where can people find you? Follow you, catch

1178
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Speaker 3: your new special all that good stuff?

1179
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Speaker 5: Yes, of course, So Mike Kaplan is my name spelled

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Speaker 5: this weird way? M Y q K A P l

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Speaker 5: A N. That's my you know, at Mike Kaplan on

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Speaker 5: all the social media at Mike Kaplan dot com. I

1183
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 5: have a newsletter at Substacks that's Mike Kaplan dot substack

1184
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 5: dot com.

1185
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Speaker 3: Uh. I've got podcasts on my own. You mentioned them,

1186
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

1187
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 5: But yeah, I've got a bunch of comedy albums and

1188
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 5: specials out there on the various streaming platforms, the latest

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Speaker 5: of which does come to YouTube New York City time

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Speaker 5: eight pm on November nineteenth and accordingly the rest of

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Speaker 5: the world. So that'll be on my YouTube collaborating with

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Speaker 5: the producers Blonde Medicine, so like and subscribe their YouTube

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Speaker 5: channel and my Mike Kaplan YouTube channel, and I'll be

1194
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Speaker 5: in there interacting with people for the debut.

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Speaker 3: So if you can watch it at exactly the time

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Speaker 3: that it comes out, that will help the robots tell

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Speaker 3: other people about it. So yeah, but if you remember anything,

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it. And it's the new special is called

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Speaker 3: Renie name for my girlfriend Reni, with whom I created

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Speaker 3: the special Reenie Reni on YouTube November nineteenth. Thanks so

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Speaker 3: much for having me.

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Speaker 4: Love the name Reeni.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I have an aunt Rene. Is it

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Speaker 3: short for anything? Your aunt Reenie Mareen?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Nice? Is your partner's name short, It's short for Catherine Katherine.

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Speaker 5: As a child, so many mom called directions Reenie Catherine,

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Speaker 5: So yeah, that's Reenie's.

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Speaker 3: Are not a monolith? Is there a work of media

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01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 3: that you've been enjoying? Many?

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Speaker 5: And I will say, you know, I we watch. We've

1212
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 5: already mentioned many of them, obviously, the new Tim Robinson

1213
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 5: works and the Nathan Fielder the second season.

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Speaker 3: Of The.

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Speaker 5: We Might we might be one behind. I just realized.

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Speaker 5: So that's exciting to think about. But I will say

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Speaker 5: one piece of media that I've been really loving. I

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01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 5: don't know if you guys read comic books, but the

1219
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 5: DC Universe has a new, uh, a new universe of

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Speaker 5: comics that they call, uh, the Absolute Universe, the Absolute

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Speaker 5: d C. They've like begun again. You know, your classic

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Speaker 5: heroes you're like, but with a slight tweak to their

1223
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 5: their origin story, like Superman comes to Earth as a

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Speaker 5: teenager instead of a baby, Batman only as one parent die,

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01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 5: and Wonder Woman gets raised not on the Amazon Island

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Speaker 5: but by Circe in the underworld. The realm of Hades,

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Speaker 5: and so that's the one. They're all really great. I

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Speaker 5: really like Jason Aaron is an incredible writer who's writing

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Speaker 5: the Superman one, the Batman one.

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Speaker 6: He's also not rich, right, isn't that one of that That's correct?

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01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 6: He is he is so much he is not rich.

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01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 6: It's really there's so many distinctions. It's really cool. Like

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Speaker 6: the art is incredible, the writing is incredible. The of

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Speaker 6: those three, like, I love them all, but the wonder

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Speaker 6: Woman one is really it's the art is so beautiful

1236
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 6: and she's such a wonderful, pure character. I'll just share

1237
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Speaker 6: here's one interaction she has it that I think is like,

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01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 6: you know, not representative of the entire story. Like the

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01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 6: entire story is like gigantic and beautiful in many ways.

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Speaker 6: But she's talking to Steve Trevor.

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01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 5: I believe Steve, like you know, the main in the

1242
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 5: original story, he like washes up on the island and

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01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 5: she like helps him and protects him and becomes you know,

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01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 5: friends with him, lovers with him, and he's like a

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01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 5: good a good man from the real world, the one

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01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 5: good man from the world outside of her island. But

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01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 5: so in this one, she meets him and they're about

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01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 5: the same height. And he's like, wow, you're really tall

1249
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 5: and she's like, you're the same height as me. And

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Speaker 5: he's like, oh yes, but where I come from, I'm

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Speaker 5: really tall, and women where I come from like almost

1252
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 5: no one is as tall as uh as me or you.

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01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 5: And she says is that important? And he's like, uh,

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01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 5: I guess not. And she's like, great, will you tell

1255
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 5: me more things about where you come from that are important?

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Speaker 5: As like what an incredible? Like you know, it's funny,

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01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 5: it's like pure hearted, it's compassionate, it's about, you know,

1258
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 5: commenting on women's bodies, commenting on people's appearances in a

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01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 5: way that like it's so simple and effective and funny

1260
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Speaker 5: and cool and beautiful. So yeah, I would recommend of

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Speaker 5: My piece of media that I've been really enjoying is

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01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 5: Absolute wonder Woman by I believe the author Kelly Thompson.

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Speaker 3: Nice, Nice Andrew. Where can people find You? Is their

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01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 3: working media you've been enjoying?

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01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 4: Oh god, Andrew t everywhere.

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Speaker 2: I have a new podcast called starter Trek that is

1267
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 2: a premium podcast on you can get it on suboptimal

1268
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 2: pods dot com, which is.

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Speaker 4: Our yos is racist thing doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, my podcast co host Tany Newsome Trek Royalty,

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01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 2: and she's basically walking me through. We're doing all the

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01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 2: pilots for the Star Trek episodes right now.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. You can see clips on our social media.

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01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 4: I'm really happy. It's really fun to do. I like

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Speaker 4: Star Trek, but I don't know jack shit about it.

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01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 4: That's where I am. There you go.

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Speaker 3: Sounds great.

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01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 4: Oh and piece of media.

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01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 2: Piece of media is it's per Simon season in Los

1280
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 2: Angeles and I'm eating the shit out of the per

1281
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 2: Simmons are so good.

1282
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. Some of my favorite media. You

1283
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 3: can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien on

1284
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 3: Blue Sky at Jack o b the Number One. I

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01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 3: enjoyed a tweet from Respectful huff that said comedians and

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01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 3: cars eating cars. They have to eat the cars. They

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01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 3: have to eat their way out all capitalize. That's the

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01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 3: name of the show. So that's that's a work of

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01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 3: media that doesn't exist. Great tweet, I tell you one

1290
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 3: damn thing. I'd be enjoying it if that did. You

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Speaker 3: can find us on Twitter and Blue Sky at Daily Zeitgeist.

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Speaker 3: We're at d Daily Zeigeist on Instagram. You can go

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Speaker 3: to the description of this episode wherever you're listening to it,

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Speaker 3: and they're at the bottom you will find the footnotes,

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Speaker 3: which where we link off to the information that we

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Speaker 3: talked about in today's episode. We also link off to

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Speaker 3: a song that we think you might enjoy. With Miles out,

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Speaker 3: we usually ask super producer Justin Connor, is there a

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Speaker 3: song that you think the people might enjoy.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. This song is called Sunset Canyon by Fox Warren,

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Speaker 7: and it's really fun to listen to because in my view,

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Speaker 7: there's two ways I've seen a steel guitar applied to music,

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Speaker 7: and it can either add like a rough stick feeling

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Speaker 7: to a song or a relaxing, vintage surfer vibe, and

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Speaker 7: this manages to do both in my opinion. If someone

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Speaker 7: lives in like a seaside log cabin, this is the

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Speaker 7: song for you. It's a nice, chilled out mood for

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Speaker 7: a sunny autumn afternoon. For anyone else who doesn't have

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Speaker 7: a seaside log cabin. But this song is called Sunset

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Speaker 7: Canyon by Fox Warren, and you can find that song

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Speaker 7: in the footnotes footnotes.

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Speaker 3: The Daily Eszite Guys is a production of by Heart Radio.

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Speaker 3: For more podcasts from My Heart Radio, visit Yeah Heart Radio, Wrap,

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Speaker 3: Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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Speaker 3: That's gonna do it for us this morning. We are

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Speaker 3: back this afternoon to tell you what is trending, and

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Speaker 3: we will talk to you all then.

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Speaker 1: By The Daily Zeit Guys is executive produced by Catherine Long.

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Speaker 4: Co produced by Bee Wang, co produced by Victor Wright

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Speaker 3: Co written by j M McNabb, edited and engineered by

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Speaker 3: Justin Connor.