Speaker 1: And I was standing on stage with these coach praying.
Speaker 2: There's like thousands of people and I'm like lifting the
Speaker 2: rain up with him, and then it stopped raining.
Speaker 3: Hey everyone, and welcome to episode seventy eight of the podcast,
Speaker 3: where tonight's guest is Julia Jacqueline, who I recorded this
Speaker 3: episode with probably about a month ago now, and Julia
Speaker 3: had just flown into the country. She had literally got
Speaker 3: off a plane. She got a cab to our office
Speaker 3: to record this episode and then she was getting in
Speaker 3: a van to drive to Wales to play the green
Speaker 3: Man Festival the following day. So it was a very
Speaker 3: narrow window to get this done. So thank you to
Speaker 3: Julia for agreeing to do this when she had been
Speaker 3: so busy. She's been touring since February when she released
Speaker 3: her second album called Crushing and if you haven't heard
Speaker 3: that record yet, and especially if you're a fan of
Speaker 3: extremely emotional and honest and raw folk music and folk
Speaker 3: rock music, then then check it out. It's quite something,
Speaker 3: this record. I won't try and give it some justice now.
Speaker 3: I met Julia at the end of last year. We
Speaker 3: did a cover feature with her for the cover of
Speaker 3: Loud and Quiet issue one, hundred and thirty one. You
Speaker 3: can read that on our website on loudon quiet dot com,
Speaker 3: where you can get the lowdown on that record and
Speaker 3: everything that went into it and the heartbreak and the
Speaker 3: hope that came out of it as well. So that's
Speaker 3: all in there. This conversation is a lot more relaxed.
Speaker 3: These podcasts tend to be that way when you've spent
Speaker 3: a decent amount of time with the person beforehand, and
Speaker 3: this wasn't the first time I'd met Julia, so it
Speaker 3: was just nice to catch up with her, and we're
Speaker 3: going to pick up the conversation talking really about the
Speaker 3: perils of touring festival, the festival circuit, because Julia was
Speaker 3: about to play green Man, as I say, and then
Speaker 3: she was about seven days away from the end of
Speaker 3: festival season. So that's where this conversation starts. And let
Speaker 3: me just remind you that you can support this podcast
Speaker 3: by subscribing to Loud and Quiet magazine. All the information
Speaker 3: is at loudon Quiet dot com forward slash subscribe, where
Speaker 3: we will post you our next nine issues for as
Speaker 3: little as three pounds per month.
Speaker 1: You can you can see people leaving.
Speaker 2: That's the other thing about festivals, Like even if they're
Speaker 2: just going to the bathroom or they want to get
Speaker 2: a kebab, or they run out a beer, or they're
Speaker 2: meaning a friend, you can still like visually see people
Speaker 2: like halfway through you're just like singing your guts out.
Speaker 1: You just see them be like, oh yeah, time to go.
Speaker 3: Somewhere. Else is starting over there. I just go and
Speaker 3: check that out. I feel like I've got enough, Julia
Speaker 3: jackling out of this, you.
Speaker 1: Know, and you're just sitting like, is there not enough
Speaker 1: for you?
Speaker 4: I feel like when I get really and that's the
Speaker 4: other thing, the festival season, you're just like it's chaotic
Speaker 4: if you're just flying in and being transferred to some
Speaker 4: place that's usually like some big field or some air
Speaker 4: hanger or some weird space and kind of thrown into the.
Speaker 1: Mess of it.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, sometimes you get on stage and I'm
Speaker 2: in such a weird mood. But I feel like I've
Speaker 2: been close to just being you know, being.
Speaker 1: A bit rude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that would be okay as well. I think
Speaker 3: have you ever like do you have? Because some of
Speaker 3: your songs, especially are very quiet and hushed and minimal,
Speaker 3: and I have seen you play at festivals as well
Speaker 3: as your own shows. But at your own shows, I'm
Speaker 3: aware of the fact that the audience are very respectful
Speaker 3: of that, and I normally you can hear a pin
Speaker 3: drop they're very quiet, but obviously at a festival a
Speaker 3: bit like that walking away thing. Yeah, that kind of
Speaker 3: rab it in on and talking. Do you find that
Speaker 3: And is that off putting when you're singing like a
Speaker 3: really you know, quiet song.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's always I just always focused on
Speaker 2: because you always know that there's a massive group listening
Speaker 2: that you might not be able to feel because loud
Speaker 2: people louder than quiet people obviously.
Speaker 1: But yeah, because that's the other thing.
Speaker 2: You don't ever want to throw a show just because
Speaker 2: like there's some people who are not into it, because
Speaker 2: you don't want to be disrespectful to the people who
Speaker 2: were like really paying attention.
Speaker 3: Before you were playing festivals as a musician, did you
Speaker 3: go to festivals? Yes? Which were Which are the big festivals?
Speaker 2: Well, they're Australian ones, so they're probably not world known.
Speaker 1: There was one called Blues.
Speaker 2: Fest Okay, which is a pretty big one in Australia.
Speaker 3: Is that the first one you went to?
Speaker 2: Now, the first one I went to was one called
Speaker 2: The Great Escape, which went bankrupt.
Speaker 1: I think it.
Speaker 2: It had one year, right, and I was seventeen, and
Speaker 2: it was like the best two days of my hotel life.
Speaker 3: Who played the Great Escape?
Speaker 1: I don't even remember, Like, wait, who was it? No
Speaker 1: one that great. Not to say anything bad.
Speaker 5: But it was like wolf Mother, Okay, like the fume
Speaker 5: that a wolf wolf Mother is still going right, but
Speaker 5: it's just the one guy, the big care.
Speaker 2: I guess I saw them advertise on some random casino
Speaker 2: in some middle of America, but.
Speaker 3: Playing okay, so you saw what made it. I remember
Speaker 3: the first festival I went to, and it was the
Speaker 3: best two days of my life. Yeah, it was like
Speaker 3: and I was about seventeen, Yeah, and it was just
Speaker 3: that being let off the leash, like away from your
Speaker 3: parents and being able to stay up all night and
Speaker 3: it being done. Was it like a camping festival you're outside? Yeah, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: like the best time ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was.
Speaker 2: Well, it was great for many reasons, like one because
Speaker 2: I had just moved high schools. So I'd moved from
Speaker 2: my first high school where I was miserable, Like I
Speaker 2: just I didn't I didn't know.
Speaker 1: Who I was supposed to be. I was.
Speaker 2: I knew I loved music, but none of my friends
Speaker 2: played music or cared about music. And if you were
Speaker 2: into music at school, you either liked Jack Johnson or
Speaker 2: like Ozzie hip hop.
Speaker 1: Two. I don't have anything against Jack Johnson, but I
Speaker 1: do not like that.
Speaker 2: Music, and I don't like his busy hip hop well
Speaker 2: definitely not the kind that was, you know, very popular
Speaker 2: at the time. So I just yeah, like I knew that,
Speaker 2: I really And then I was classical. I was doing
Speaker 2: classical singing. So I was just lost. I didn't know
Speaker 2: where I fit in musically, and so I moved high
Speaker 2: schools to the city to a music high school, and
Speaker 2: I met someone on the train who was also starting
Speaker 2: this new high school, and we became really good friends.
Speaker 2: And she was like, Hey, I'm going to this music festival.
Speaker 2: Do you want to come?
Speaker 1: And I was like, a music festival. I don't know
Speaker 1: people who go to music festivals, Like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I'm in heaven. Like just even meeting someone.
Speaker 2: Who invited me to me music festival, like none of
Speaker 2: my friends, like none of my circle at my previous
Speaker 2: high school would even think.
Speaker 1: To do that.
Speaker 2: So so that was you know, I just felt like
Speaker 2: this door had been open to me. And yeah, I
Speaker 2: went to this festival and for one my sister's ID worked,
Speaker 2: so I had a fake ID, which is great.
Speaker 3: Do you look much like your sister?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah very much.
Speaker 2: So that was No, that's not true. Sorry, I have
Speaker 2: used I used to use my sister's idea all the time. No,
Speaker 2: what happened was I just thought as I walked in,
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, I'm just going to
Speaker 2: show this security guard my student ID card, which said I.
Speaker 1: Was seventeen and was also a high school ID card.
Speaker 2: I was just like, maybe they're dumb enough to think
Speaker 2: that like nineteen ninety means that I'm of age, right,
Speaker 2: And they did, and they.
Speaker 1: Gave me over eighteen's wristbands, and I was like.
Speaker 3: Because they thought she wouldn't be showing me this if
Speaker 3: it proved that she was.
Speaker 2: So that was cool and also gave me a lot
Speaker 2: of like newfound cred with like all of these new
Speaker 2: people I was just meeting because I was like, Hey,
Speaker 2: this is what I did.
Speaker 1: I've got a wristband, I'm getting the drinks and then yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just.
Speaker 2: Like I'd never i'd never been around like all that
Speaker 2: music before, and you know, it had like it was
Speaker 2: one of those festivals with lots of different tents and
Speaker 2: so you're just like up and close people are on
Speaker 2: stages and playing.
Speaker 1: Instruments, and I was like, whoa.
Speaker 2: And there was this girl at my high school. Her
Speaker 2: name is Holiday Sidewinder.
Speaker 3: Oh, she's think Alex Cameron's pad.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, So she was at my high school and
Speaker 2: I thought she was I mean, she is she's really
Speaker 2: cool and I am friends with her now, but at
Speaker 2: the time she was like at my new high school.
Speaker 2: I thought, she is the coolest person that I've ever
Speaker 2: seen in the world, and I must impress her.
Speaker 1: Like I wanted her to like me so badly.
Speaker 2: And so she was at the festival because she was
Speaker 2: playing with her first band, Bridezilla, which was also so
Speaker 2: crazy to me, the fact that I knew someone who
Speaker 2: went to my high school who's playing at a music festival.
Speaker 1: I was just like, what is this world that I
Speaker 1: have entered into?
Speaker 2: And yeah, so I kind of just I remember watching
Speaker 2: Lee Scratch Perry right, and I was with Holiday, and
Speaker 2: I was like, how can I impress her? Like how
Speaker 2: can I get in? And I was like I have
Speaker 2: to get on the stage, like I must get on
Speaker 2: this stage and she will think I'm the coolest person
Speaker 2: that has ever existed as well. So I just took
Speaker 2: a time. I took a moment. I jumped over the fence.
Speaker 3: How drunk were you at this point?
Speaker 1: Pretty drunk?
Speaker 2: Okay, but not crazy drunk, because I remember the whole
Speaker 2: thing and I was still like agile and like I
Speaker 2: wasn't like you know, teenage, you know, sloppy mess. I
Speaker 2: was had my together. I just had a few drinks
Speaker 2: of courage in me, and so I jumped over the
Speaker 2: fence and then the security guards like pulled me back.
Speaker 2: But then Lise Scratch Perry looked at me and he
Speaker 2: was like, no, let her on stage, And so I
Speaker 2: got on stage and me and Lisa Gerry held hands.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: He sang this song It's and then he was singing
Speaker 2: and I just remember it started raining and maybe imagining
Speaker 2: this dream dream I know, but this is how.
Speaker 1: Crazy this festival was for me.
Speaker 2: It started raining and then he was like, let's sing
Speaker 2: a song to stop the rain, and he started singing
Speaker 2: this song about lifting the rain up.
Speaker 1: And I was standing on stage with Lease Coach pray
Speaker 1: and there's like thousands.
Speaker 2: Of people and I'm like lifting the rain up with
Speaker 2: him and then it stopped raining.
Speaker 3: When you're stood there holding hands and you're singing this right,
Speaker 3: this rain song? Can you see Holiday signed Wine from
Speaker 3: where you are? Is that how you're looking at You're
Speaker 3: thinking the whole time? She can she see? Is she?
Speaker 3: What does she think of this? What's what's her face doing?
Speaker 2: All I cared was that she was present and she
Speaker 2: was looking at what was going on. Okay, and yeah,
Speaker 2: she probably is so funny. I should ask her about
Speaker 2: this because she would not remember this at all.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think she probably would. I think
Speaker 3: she would. Did you so after the after the set,
Speaker 3: how long were you up there for? Did you was it?
Speaker 3: Did you just climb back down get back into the
Speaker 3: crowd kind of thing?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, it.
Speaker 1: Was like probably like probably like a full song.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And what did your friends and particularly Holiday someone? What
Speaker 3: does she think? What did they think of that you
Speaker 3: were like a hero right the king? And did she
Speaker 3: then think you were like super cool?
Speaker 1: Ah? Maybe maybe not? I don't know, Like it definitely.
Speaker 3: Helped she was thinking I should have done I bet
Speaker 3: everyone knows what's coming ship. I should have done that.
Speaker 3: That's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it probably it probably helped.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it like solidified my coolness for
Speaker 2: like the whole school year, Like I had to do
Speaker 2: a few other things.
Speaker 3: What else did you have to do?
Speaker 1: Like nothing, I don't know. I think that was actually
Speaker 1: the I think I peaked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of you can't really follow.
Speaker 1: That, And then it was a bit downhill from there. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I definitely wasn't like the coolest person.
Speaker 3: I can see why. I can now see why that
Speaker 3: was the best first two days of your life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it was.
Speaker 3: That story reminds me of the story you told me
Speaker 3: about being young, probably younger than that. I imagine when you
Speaker 3: wanted to show to people that you could sing, and
Speaker 3: you'd put your headphones on and start singing really loudly
Speaker 3: as a small girl, and with the idea of taking
Speaker 3: them off and saying, oh, sorry, was I singing out
Speaker 3: loud then? And that'd be like, you've got such an
Speaker 3: incredible voice. Yes, that kind of reminds me of that.
Speaker 3: Like it sounds like as a young person you're quite
Speaker 3: kind of fearless, or you just would kind of do
Speaker 3: anything to get people to think you were cool. And
Speaker 3: I knew that with the greatest respect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's funny. You say that because this is this
Speaker 1: is not well, this doesn't reflect well on me. I
Speaker 1: don't think.
Speaker 2: I remember standing in the line to get food at
Speaker 2: that festival and I I was singing a song like
Speaker 2: an Angus and Julia's Stone song, and I just remember
Speaker 2: and I was. I remember singing in this line, being like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm just casually singing. But I also was like, maybe
Speaker 2: like someone will notice how good I am at singing.
Speaker 1: And then this woman turns around, She's like, You've got
Speaker 1: a really beautiful voice, and I was like, oh gosh,
Speaker 1: was I even was I singing? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean, the starry eyedness of being seventeen can never
Speaker 2: be repeated.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm actually mourn that quite a lot. Me too,
Speaker 3: because I especially like working in music and being a
Speaker 3: music fan. I resent the fact that nothing, however much
Speaker 3: I love something, now, if I hear something, even if
Speaker 3: it's like an old thing that I've never heard before,
Speaker 3: I'm never gonna love. It's never going to mean as
Speaker 3: much to me as I did when I was seventeen.
Speaker 1: Ever, I know.
Speaker 3: You're never going to idolize those people in the same way,
Speaker 3: and that I think is unfair. That's why I actually
Speaker 3: that's kind of the thing I miss most about being
Speaker 3: young totally and being like a kind of hopelessly romantically
Speaker 3: walking around the streets listening to music on the way
Speaker 3: home from a party or whatever. Oh, and you can't
Speaker 3: replicate that hard. It's sad, I know.
Speaker 2: And I find that I have like like a little
Speaker 2: glimpse of it here and there, and I chase that.
Speaker 2: I chase it so hard, but it never hits you
Speaker 2: in the same way.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Do you revisit them, the songs that used to do
Speaker 3: that to you? Do you listen to them a lot
Speaker 3: now or occasionally now?
Speaker 1: I do?
Speaker 2: I do, And I tend to do this a lot
Speaker 2: when I'm on the tour, and especially coming towards an
Speaker 2: end of tour, where I'm feeling old and sad and
Speaker 2: missing home, which is how I always get when I.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's me most days. That's my constant stage.
Speaker 1: Regular life.
Speaker 3: That's life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I think just at this point where I
Speaker 2: just I feel just you know, not to complain too much,
Speaker 2: I'm very I'm just very exhausted, because it's just like
Speaker 2: a lot of plain travel and just like a lot
Speaker 2: of exposure. You're just constantly like around people and constantly like,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't mind being photographed by people I trust,
Speaker 2: but I don't. I don't like it most of the time.
Speaker 2: And so just having that kind of stuff every day
Speaker 2: just really wears me down. It just makes me feel
Speaker 2: like I'm not very exposed, very expossed.
Speaker 1: So it's in those moments that I really tend to
Speaker 1: go back to that music.
Speaker 2: And yesterday, when I was like driving through the beautiful
Speaker 2: like countryside of Portugal, I just had like my head
Speaker 2: down and I was listening to let Go Ari Leven.
Speaker 1: And I was just thinking, like.
Speaker 2: I was trying to remember what it felt like when
Speaker 2: I first heard Complicated.
Speaker 3: That's the tune, isn't it. That's the sothing that isn't
Speaker 3: that the song that you said that wasn't that the
Speaker 3: song you tried to impress your dad with singing complicated?
Speaker 1: Oh? Was it complicated? Yes, yep, it was. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a song.
Speaker 2: There's also a song called I'm with You on that album,
Speaker 2: which I also.
Speaker 3: That's also like a ballad one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, yeah, standing on a bridge. I'm waiting
Speaker 1: in the dark. Is anybody I know?
Speaker 6: Because things going right and everything's a mess.
Speaker 2: Like none like listening back, like I thought, it was
Speaker 2: so profound, poetic, so poetic.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's really not saying anything specific.
Speaker 2: At all, just listing things, just kind of giving a
Speaker 2: vague idea of where she is and that no one
Speaker 2: else is there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was listening to those songs, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I just remember feeling so much like I remembering my.
Speaker 2: Room and I had my like JVC CD player and
Speaker 2: I would just turn that up so loud, just like
Speaker 2: line my bed, just like thinking I would die of feelings.
Speaker 1: I would literally dissolve.
Speaker 3: And I missed that feeling.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: But I suppose at the time, you probably, I mean
Speaker 3: at the time, I can't do you think at the
Speaker 3: time you felt you enjoyed that feeding. I think I
Speaker 3: think I probably did in a weird way.
Speaker 2: I think it was just so intense that it was
Speaker 2: just like this incredible mix of beauty and tragedy, you know,
Speaker 2: like it.
Speaker 1: I think I really.
Speaker 2: Enjoyed it, mostly even if even if it felt really sad,
Speaker 2: because just like being super sad felt good. And then
Speaker 2: you listened to like other sad teenage music and you're
Speaker 2: just like, we're all in this together.
Speaker 3: Around that time, would you be listening to the Stroke
Speaker 3: song that you've just covered, Yeah, Someday was that part
Speaker 3: of that because that would have come out when you
Speaker 3: were like eleven eleven. Yeah, that's a great cover you started.
Speaker 3: You did that cover a while ago, originally right on
Speaker 3: a Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was like two and a half years ago.
Speaker 3: Okay, what made you put it out recently?
Speaker 2: I think just Triple J finally got with the times
Speaker 2: put on Spotify.
Speaker 1: There was no Yeah, a few people were like, wow,
Speaker 1: why did you finally decide to put it out? Actually, nothing,
Speaker 1: they just put it out.
Speaker 3: We should explain to people listening to this is a
Speaker 3: cover of Someday by the Strokes that you did for
Speaker 3: a radio station called Triple J. Triple J is like
Speaker 3: Australia's like cool radio station, right, It's.
Speaker 2: Like it's yeah, yeah, it's like our mainstream youth radio.
Speaker 3: Okay, right right right, Well.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, it's not mainstream.
Speaker 3: It's not like it's like is it like six music here, yeah,
Speaker 3: which is like it's mainstream, but it plays bands, it
Speaker 3: plays like alternative sort of stuff. Who was your favorite
Speaker 3: Stroke when you're eleven, who is your favorite member?
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny.
Speaker 2: A lot of the bands I loved at that time,
Speaker 2: like I had no idea what they looked like.
Speaker 1: That was a totally So.
Speaker 3: You were a fan of the Strokes without seeing them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean that's quite amazing that I'm a big Strokes
Speaker 3: fan as well. And I would say that the music
Speaker 3: stands up without looking at them, but to look at them.
Speaker 1: As well, Yeah, very beautiful.
Speaker 3: It's like it was a moment.
Speaker 2: Well, it's funny because this is gonna, this is this
Speaker 2: is it ended up going to sound like a bunch
Speaker 2: of old blokes.
Speaker 1: Like Raven about it the good old days. But you know,
Speaker 1: but at that.
Speaker 2: Time, it was like my connection with music was all
Speaker 2: like all you would go off was like the CD
Speaker 2: cover right like I didn't, or if you bought like
Speaker 2: a magazine and they were like the pull out poster
Speaker 2: or okay, like there was a band in Australia called
Speaker 2: Grinspurn which were like I loved Grinspoon and.
Speaker 1: Grinspoon was my first concept.
Speaker 2: You know. I just remember walking out that concept when
Speaker 2: I was thirteen, just been like I think I just
Speaker 2: like found god like it was just I had never Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was just it was mind blowing to me, and
Speaker 2: and I was obsessed.
Speaker 1: I listened to all their records. I just like loved it.
Speaker 2: I knew every word, but I know, I didn't know
Speaker 2: what they looked like. And I remember going to the
Speaker 2: Ari because my dad worked for like a supermarket, and
Speaker 2: they got like three tickets, and the Aris is like
Speaker 2: our Grammys, I guess right.
Speaker 1: And I remember standing at the Red Carpet.
Speaker 2: When I was like, yeah, twelve or thirteen, and this
Speaker 2: this band like pulls up in a Cadillac and I
Speaker 2: just with my.
Speaker 1: Squeaky twelve year old voice, I'm like, hew are you?
Speaker 1: And the guy and the land singer Phil was like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're a band called Grinspoon.
Speaker 2: And I just like screamed, like I screamed my head off,
Speaker 2: but like I which was funny because.
Speaker 3: What did they look like? Did they look how you
Speaker 3: imagine they look cool? Were they young guys?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Young?
Speaker 2: And they had it was they were kind of like
Speaker 2: they had that like sweeping side fringe yeah yeah, situation.
Speaker 3: So it would have been quite heartbreaking if they were
Speaker 3: like fifty year old, yeah, olding fat men, who are
Speaker 3: you and like we grinsman, You're like, oh no.
Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, but anyway, yeah, I like, I don't
Speaker 2: remember the Strokes. It wasn't like there are a bunch
Speaker 2: of cute boys. I think it was. But then again,
Speaker 2: I was introduced to the Strokes by a bunch of cute.
Speaker 3: Boys, right, Okay, that's helped. Yeah, So we had a
Speaker 3: friend of yours on the podcast at the beginning of
Speaker 3: the year. Stella dominally came that podcast you it was,
Speaker 3: it would have been before the before Tricks came out.
Speaker 3: The song that you co directed the video for. Is
Speaker 3: that the first video you've directed other than your own?
Speaker 3: H yes, Yeah, it's cool. It's it's got you can
Speaker 3: kind of tell. I would say, you can kind of
Speaker 3: tell that you and Nick made it. It's got your
Speaker 3: feel to it. There's lots of dancing around the streets,
Speaker 3: running around suburbia.
Speaker 1: I cannot do anything else.
Speaker 2: You want a music video, great, yeah, we do.
Speaker 3: Your brochure of music is option one. Is you run
Speaker 3: around the streets and we film that. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3: That's what you get with us.
Speaker 1: A muted color palette dancing suburbia. That's all we can do.
Speaker 3: Did she have some kind of brief. Was there any
Speaker 3: kind of like or did she just say I want
Speaker 3: to make I want you? Can you just make the
Speaker 3: music video? Was that?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: The tap dancing thing was just I had that idea
Speaker 2: in my head for years.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I just had this idea of like,
Speaker 1: I just do you know tap Dogs? Is that like
Speaker 1: a thing over here.
Speaker 3: That rings a bell? Is that like? Is that like stomp? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I guess I think tap Doogs was the original one,
Speaker 2: which came from Australia.
Speaker 1: It was kind of like a tap dancing show.
Speaker 3: They danced with brooms and things. I think that is stomp.
Speaker 2: I think, well, I don't know if the brooms, but it's
Speaker 2: like bloodstones, white singlets, funnel shirts around the waist, jeans.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we've definitely had that tapping on like metal surfaces
Speaker 5: and because I went to Tap Dogs when I was
Speaker 5: like seven years old, and I remember I had to
Speaker 5: wear like industrial earmuffs because it's.
Speaker 1: Very loud, and I loved it.
Speaker 2: So I think I just had that image in my
Speaker 2: head for years, just and I never knew what it
Speaker 2: would stick.
Speaker 1: To, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like someone another Australian band asked me to direct a
Speaker 2: video for them like years ago, and.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, tap Dogs.
Speaker 2: But then I just didemed work out because I was
Speaker 2: on tour or something. And then when Stella asked, I
Speaker 2: was just like, this actually might work.
Speaker 1: This might be the tap Dogs finally get rid of
Speaker 1: tap Dogs.
Speaker 3: Yeah dog.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was just it just all came from
Speaker 2: this bad idea of just having like an irritating guy from.
Speaker 3: Tap Dogs dancing around.
Speaker 1: Dancing around being irritating and.
Speaker 3: Anyone that's not seeing the we'll put a link to
Speaker 3: the video in the description of the podcast, but for
Speaker 3: anyone who hasn't seen yet, that's a good description of it.
Speaker 3: There's an irritating guy. That guy's really good, though. Who
Speaker 3: is that man?
Speaker 1: He's we found him one like star search dot com.
Speaker 3: It's a trained dancer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's like a dance he teaches like I
Speaker 1: think like older people like retire East.
Speaker 3: Because he I don't want to disrespect him because he
Speaker 3: was really good, but I couldn't tell if he was
Speaker 3: like like a really top top end professional dancer who
Speaker 3: was kind of pulling back a little bit to make
Speaker 3: it look like he was like an everyday guy dancing,
Speaker 3: or if he was going flat out, and that was him.
Speaker 1: Going flat Yeah, I think it was.
Speaker 2: I think maybe when he was a bit younger, he was,
Speaker 2: he was there, he was really good.
Speaker 1: It kind of really worked out well as well because
Speaker 1: he looks great.
Speaker 3: It's kind of how I imagine. I like to think
Speaker 3: I dance like that, right, cool, But I don't, you know,
Speaker 3: like at my absolute best, I could pull off maybe
Speaker 3: some of the worst moves he was doing. But in
Speaker 3: my mind, he looked quite free in doing it. It
Speaker 3: looked like a fun shoot to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really fun. It was super fun. And
Speaker 1: because a music videos are just the worst, like there
Speaker 1: really are.
Speaker 2: They're so stressful and everyone is so stressed around them
Speaker 2: and no one has any money, but everyone needs to
Speaker 2: do them. Everyone needs to do like five for every
Speaker 2: album they make. And I don't know, like I love
Speaker 2: and hate that form so much, that art form. So
Speaker 2: for me, like a music video should not be stressful,
Speaker 2: it should not cost a lot of money. And it's
Speaker 2: like the song is the that's the lead character. Like
Speaker 2: the song is what matters, and we're just creator like visuals.
Speaker 2: That to me, this is what I think to lift
Speaker 2: up the song. You don't want something that like stamps
Speaker 2: on it, or you don't want to add some crazy
Speaker 2: narrative to a song that.
Speaker 1: Already has a narrative for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, Like some music videos are just
Speaker 2: so bad, like you just think how much did this cost?
Speaker 2: Like this costs like one hundred thousand dollars and it
Speaker 2: just like I don't know, I just don't think in
Speaker 2: music videos like money doesn't the more money you have
Speaker 2: doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 3: Yours were really good the fantastic furniture for one for
Speaker 3: fucking round and it's one of my favorite videos of
Speaker 3: last yet it's great, right, it's so good. It's running
Speaker 3: around streets in Subbia, but it's in slow motions a twist.
Speaker 3: It's a twist, but it's really good. It's so simple.
Speaker 3: It's like and head alone. It's got a great video.
Speaker 3: Again you are running down the street.
Speaker 1: Running down speed in Subia.
Speaker 3: But that's what I want from a Julia Jackline video.
Speaker 3: But they always look good because of the lights. Always good.
Speaker 3: That's kind of a really stupid thing to say, but
Speaker 3: because they're in Australia and it looks.
Speaker 2: The light colors and is everything about those clips as well,
Speaker 2: Like obviously it's the performance, But we filmed head alone
Speaker 2: and fucking Rolling in like a few takes between the
Speaker 2: hours of like you know, six and seven in Golden Hour,
Speaker 2: like you know, it takes an It took an hour
Speaker 2: to make both of those clips each.
Speaker 3: So Crushing came out when we did the cover feature.
Speaker 3: It was like it was a good two or two
Speaker 3: months to four months before it was coming out. How
Speaker 3: did it go from then to releasing? How was releasing
Speaker 3: and it feels like it went It's all gone really well.
Speaker 3: It's been received incredibly well from what can tell from
Speaker 3: the outside.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's been really it's been really nice, really
Speaker 2: really great.
Speaker 3: One of the things we spoke about when we were
Speaker 3: talking about Don't Let the Kids Win and the process
Speaker 3: of what you learned from that whole campaign, touring that record,
Speaker 3: and then when going to write Crushing, one of the
Speaker 3: things you mentioned was how, by the end of touring
Speaker 3: the first record, you've kind of felt like weird about
Speaker 3: singing these songs you'd written so long ago, and they
Speaker 3: were all quite personal and emotional songs, and you felt
Speaker 3: like you kind of turned into this cabaret version of yourself.
Speaker 3: And that was obviously before you put out crushing and
Speaker 3: started touring it. Now you've spent like solidly been touring
Speaker 3: it hard. How do you feel about the songs now
Speaker 3: and singing those kind of really because it's such an
Speaker 3: emotional record, How does it feel well doing that?
Speaker 2: It's been much better this time because I mean the
Speaker 2: first record, I'd written those songs years prior, and like
Speaker 2: in the three years leading up to recording it, I
Speaker 2: recorded it, I didn't put it out for a year
Speaker 2: and a half after I recorded it, and then, you know,
Speaker 2: because it was my first record, it like started slowly
Speaker 2: and slowly built momentum, so it was a much longer process.
Speaker 2: Whereas this record, like I still feel these feelings. None
Speaker 2: of these songs yet have become like, oh this is awkward,
Speaker 2: Like this is not how I feel anymore.
Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of really good for me. Even
Speaker 1: if it's like a bit hard to perform, It's like
Speaker 1: at least I'm present, I'm present. But yeah, it's been
Speaker 1: really great.
Speaker 2: Like the release period was not very fun, I found, yeah,
Speaker 2: which is you know, gosh, everything you say just feels
Speaker 2: like you're being a big winder.
Speaker 3: But it just wasn't fun about that.
Speaker 1: I just felt very.
Speaker 2: I love playing this record so much, but I found
Speaker 2: that the press lead up was it just made me
Speaker 2: feel really icky, like talking about these songs before I
Speaker 2: had a chance to perform them. M Like it was
Speaker 2: like I had to explain the whole record before it
Speaker 2: I understood it myself or had even like played it live,
Speaker 2: like really felt what it felt like to perform these.
Speaker 1: Songs to a crowd.
Speaker 2: And and I don't know, it was just like I
Speaker 2: did a lot of press and I kind of talked
Speaker 2: to my manager and stuff after and I was like,
Speaker 2: I we don't have to say yes to everything, you know,
Speaker 2: Like I did a lot of press, and there were
Speaker 2: some really great interviews, like I really liked it when
Speaker 2: we did, and you know, there was ones where it
Speaker 2: felt more conversational and where people had really done some
Speaker 2: deep thinking or I had really listened to the record.
Speaker 2: But most of the which is the nature of press,
Speaker 2: I get that, but the heavy topics and people were
Speaker 2: kind of coming at them was pretty in a pretty
Speaker 2: heavy way, not thinking about like that I have to
Speaker 2: talk about this for weeks on end, just being like.
Speaker 1: So tell us, like, have you been sexually assaulted?
Speaker 2: Is this what the you know what Spear would ask that, yeah, totally,
Speaker 2: and like, oh, so body like is that a true story?
Speaker 1: Tell us? Is that your ex boyfriend? Who is your
Speaker 1: ex boyfriend? And oh tell us?
Speaker 2: Like what a you know, you're a woman in the
Speaker 2: music industry, Like tell us how to fix it?
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It's just like so many intense questions, really invasive questions,
Speaker 2: and this kind of this idea that like because I'd
Speaker 2: written a personal record that therefore I was also just
Speaker 2: like this open book to talk about anything. So I
Speaker 2: found it just really like I was just constantly like
Speaker 2: trying to be polite, like dodging, and I yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: a lot more even even that that was what six
Speaker 2: months ago, and I'm like so much more confident now,
Speaker 2: Like if someone asked me a question.
Speaker 1: That I don't answer, I'm like nope, Yeah.
Speaker 2: But then I was trying really hard because I didn't
Speaker 2: know how the record was going to be received, and
Speaker 2: you know, I wanted I wanted good press and whatever,
Speaker 2: so I was trying to answer people questions as best
Speaker 2: I could, but it ended up I just spread myself
Speaker 2: so thin that by like release day, I was just
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't want to do this. I
Speaker 2: don't want to release this record, like I'm so tired
Speaker 2: of myself and I felt I just felt like I
Speaker 2: said too many awkward, bad things and which you know,
Speaker 2: anyone listening to this will be like, dude, I read
Speaker 2: like one interview with yours, Like, you know, the press
Speaker 2: has spread so far around the different areas, but when
Speaker 2: you're doing it yourself and you're doing it back to
Speaker 2: back every day, yeah, you just feel like you're just
Speaker 2: this loud mouth person that's just screaming there very like
Speaker 2: loose opinions across the universe for everybody to hear and judge.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I don't know, Like I'm relatively articulate and
Speaker 2: I think I have strong opinions on things. But on
Speaker 2: the other hand, I'm also I write songs because that's
Speaker 2: where I can express myself and where I can formulate ideas.
Speaker 2: So I don't always have the best way to actually
Speaker 2: explain these things. That's why I write songs. So it's
Speaker 2: like people are asking me questions.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, it's kind of in the song, and.
Speaker 2: I don't want to, like, I don't want to dismantle
Speaker 2: the song. Yeah, and ruin the magic of what music
Speaker 2: is by telling you like everything, like where that song
Speaker 2: came from, and like how I wrote it and where
Speaker 2: I wrote it, and yeah, I just and also just
Speaker 2: because it was a personal record and I am kind
Speaker 2: of having to skirt around actual people who are in
Speaker 2: my life and I'm talking it just felt I just
Speaker 2: felt a bit sick about that too, Like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's I don't really mind singing about it, but when
Speaker 2: I have to talk about it, it just feels a
Speaker 2: little cheap, like I'm cheapening. I'm just using these experiences
Speaker 2: to like get famous, get paid.
Speaker 1: You know, which is I guess in some ways true,
Speaker 1: but not really.
Speaker 3: Like do you find like the thing you were saying
Speaker 3: about how the emotions in those songs are still in you,
Speaker 3: like not enough time has passed for that to not
Speaker 3: be be the case. Do you find it? Does that
Speaker 3: make it harder to perform them every night? Does that
Speaker 3: make it more draining? Or is it more training to
Speaker 3: go out there and pretend like you were at the
Speaker 3: end of the last two US?
Speaker 1: Oh way more training to pretend.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is probably surprising to some people because I
Speaker 2: get that a question a lot, being like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: it must be so emotionally draining every night with your
Speaker 2: emotions out there on the stage, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: it's not because a.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not relieving these experiences.
Speaker 2: It's just that I still have those feelings within me,
Speaker 2: and it therefore means it makes performing them meaningful in
Speaker 2: and it makes touring easier because I feel like I'm
Speaker 2: actually doing something that means something to me, and I
Speaker 2: think that then translates for people in the crowd.
Speaker 3: So have you got a kind of a plan for
Speaker 3: this for promoting this record, like of a point that
Speaker 3: you will just say when those are the shows done,
Speaker 3: when you feel like the shows that you when you
Speaker 3: feel like you are starting to pretend or that you're
Speaker 3: just done, are you just going to be like done,
Speaker 3: I'm going to have to go and make another record.
Speaker 1: I hope. So, I really hope. So it's really hard
Speaker 1: with this business because it's like things just keep coming
Speaker 1: up and you get touring opportunities, and it's kind of
Speaker 1: like this big culture.
Speaker 6: Of like take everything because soon you'll be irrelevant. Soon
Speaker 6: you'll be over the hill and no will care. So like,
Speaker 6: just work yourself to the bone while you're young and like.
Speaker 1: Still relatively attractive.
Speaker 2: Before the music industry because you're like, you know, gosh
Speaker 2: over thirty or something.
Speaker 1: I'm sure.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I gave like some big statements like
Speaker 2: probably to you and probably to many people after my
Speaker 2: first album, like next tour, gonna call the shots and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put my foot down and I'm going to
Speaker 2: do this. And then I'm like at the end of
Speaker 2: about six months of touring and be like, Okay, well,
Speaker 2: next time I will call the shuts.
Speaker 3: You feel like you've relapsed into but you're.
Speaker 1: Like, I'm learning, I'm getting.
Speaker 3: And also it's one of those things like that's not
Speaker 3: That is one thing that we did talk about, and
Speaker 3: you were saying how you were learning on the first
Speaker 3: album that you were kind of wanting to please everyone
Speaker 3: all the time and like do things. It meant that
Speaker 3: you ended up doing certain things you didn't really want
Speaker 3: to do, and that was changing and you were not
Speaker 3: kind of going to do that anymore. If you don't
Speaker 3: want to do something, you would say, and you know,
Speaker 3: you just let people know you didn't have to be
Speaker 3: happy every day or didn't have to feel like that pressure.
Speaker 3: But that's gonna take ages, isn't it for that to
Speaker 3: become the normal. The fact that you're kind of already
Speaker 3: aware of it is yeah, like chance you're going to be.
Speaker 1: So yeah, even be there, I'll be nasty. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I'm also I'm also I do
Speaker 1: this to myself and I love working.
Speaker 3: I am.
Speaker 2: I enjoy just running around doing things all the time.
Speaker 2: Like I say, I want time off, and then as
Speaker 2: soon as like I you know, I'm like, guys, I can't.
Speaker 1: Do this anymore.
Speaker 2: I'm just going to collapse and never get up again,
Speaker 2: Like please, I need some time off. And then I
Speaker 2: get time off and I'm like three days in Okay,
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I had I had ten days off by
Speaker 2: myself in Butte, Montana this year, like a month ago,
Speaker 2: and I was so looking forward to it, like I.
Speaker 3: Was you were on your own now, yeah, And I.
Speaker 2: Was just like this is going to be the best
Speaker 2: ten days of my life. Like I've just been touring
Speaker 2: so hard and like I'm just gonna be in Montana.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be trees, it will just be me.
Speaker 2: And myself, and like it was kind of cool that, yeah,
Speaker 2: I have a few days. I was like, Okay, not
Speaker 2: as cool as I thought.
Speaker 1: Lonely a bit lonely, a lot of time in my
Speaker 1: own head. Not much going on.
Speaker 3: In this place, and you really should have done this
Speaker 3: in New York.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I've also got to be aware that I
Speaker 2: self sabotage with working hard and that I I yeah,
Speaker 2: I really, I always take on a lot, and so
Speaker 2: it's kind of it's not everybody else's fault, it's also
Speaker 2: my own.
Speaker 3: What are you going to do for your birthday? That's
Speaker 3: at the end of the month, right, Yeah, how are
Speaker 3: you gonna Are you going to celebrate? Do you celebrate birthdays?
Speaker 1: I love birthday?
Speaker 2: Do you?
Speaker 1: I'm a big birthday That's good.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get back there. I feel like I
Speaker 3: felt like I always and then I just stopped not
Speaker 3: I do celebrate my birthday, but I don't feel like
Speaker 3: I kind of really tell many people have like I
Speaker 3: don't arrange something, and I feel like I'm not going
Speaker 3: to have them forever. I'm going to I'm running out.
Speaker 3: But I feel like I'm running out of birthdays now.
Speaker 3: I need to start doing it. What do you what
Speaker 3: do you have? Do you have anything planned?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like so, let me just give you a quick
Speaker 1: take on birthdays.
Speaker 2: For my hot take, because I'm always trying to figure
Speaker 2: out like people like you who are like I don't
Speaker 2: really like birthdays and I don't really tell.
Speaker 1: Me to people.
Speaker 2: I'm always like, okay, I'm trying to get to the
Speaker 2: depths of where that comes from. I'm like, is it
Speaker 2: because you don't like your attention or is it because
Speaker 2: you are worried about like rejection.
Speaker 3: That's another thing about no one coming about.
Speaker 1: Like no one caring enough.
Speaker 2: You know that if you put secure that then so
Speaker 2: then because I think a lot of people are like,
Speaker 2: oh I don't care about birthdays, like oh whatever, because
Speaker 2: they just worry that like people won't show up for them,
Speaker 2: you know, and then we're disappointed.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so with my friends, like.
Speaker 2: If they say like they're like birthdays, I'm like, I
Speaker 2: will respect you. I will respect that decision if it's
Speaker 2: because you genuinely do not want, like I don't want
Speaker 2: to be someone who's like bringing a cake to your
Speaker 2: workplace and being like I'll be a birthday too.
Speaker 1: If you're just like, no, this is embarrassing. I hate this.
Speaker 2: So but for people like like you, like my like
Speaker 2: my bass player Ben recently had a birthday and he
Speaker 2: was all like, oh no, that's not really saying I don't.
Speaker 1: Really tell anyone, blah blah blah. I knew it was
Speaker 1: because like he just didn't want make a fuss about himself.
Speaker 3: Hmmm. I think it's more that. I think it's just
Speaker 3: more like, oh, I don't want to like put you
Speaker 3: don't want to put people out. I don't want to
Speaker 3: make a fuss about it unless it's a big one.
Speaker 3: Unless it's like a zero or a five on the end.
Speaker 3: You can get away with a five. Yeah, but you know,
Speaker 3: if it's just not I but I knew.
Speaker 2: I just with Ben, we like had a really nice
Speaker 2: dinner and I got him a cake on tour and
Speaker 2: I sang in a Casey Musgrave some of the loves
Speaker 2: on stage.
Speaker 1: Because I was like, you just you're gotta love the attention.
Speaker 3: It's any one day. I suppose it's your special day.
Speaker 2: And I think as well that there's also this thing
Speaker 2: was becoming an adult that it's like I've heard some
Speaker 2: people who are adults who are like, oh, no one.
Speaker 1: Cares about my birthday. So I'm like, well, why would they?
Speaker 1: You're an adult, Like, the only the only reason people
Speaker 1: are going to care about your birthday really is if
Speaker 1: you care about.
Speaker 2: Your birthday, That's what I think. So I care about
Speaker 2: my birthday, okay.
Speaker 1: But also it's just like it's an excuse to like
Speaker 1: hang out with your friends.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 1: It doesn't all have to be like let's praise me
Speaker 1: and the day I was born.
Speaker 2: It can just be like, hey, this isn't this is
Speaker 2: a time. It's all like hang out and you know.
Speaker 1: Just be together.
Speaker 3: Sure for an occasion. I know I am going to
Speaker 3: I'm going to start good.
Speaker 1: I think you should.
Speaker 3: I'm going to start again. It's only been the last
Speaker 3: five years or so that I haven't. And maybe it's
Speaker 3: just my age, maybe because I'm a bit older, I
Speaker 3: mean seven.
Speaker 1: Why you say you don't have many birthdays left? What's
Speaker 1: your well?
Speaker 2: But I feel that you're getting into like the good birthday,
Speaker 2: do you well? Like I reckon forty, forty, fifty, sixty,
Speaker 2: they're like big, they're big celebrations.
Speaker 3: That's like I don't want to be I don't want
Speaker 3: to be thinking about my sixty at thirsday now.
Speaker 1: Yeah. True.
Speaker 3: But also as I say, those end in like zero,
Speaker 3: so that big one, so you have to do something
Speaker 3: for forty If you're still alive at fifty then yeah
Speaker 3: and sixty.
Speaker 1: Yeah anyway, Sorry, back to plans. I am going I
Speaker 1: already this is my this is the plan.
Speaker 2: I'm going out with some friends to this bar so
Speaker 2: I can drink my teenies. Yeah, because that's just something
Speaker 2: I like now that I'm like in my late twenties. Okay,
Speaker 2: there's just something very like cool I think. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's not like cool, but it makes me feel very
Speaker 2: sophisticated and like I'm some sort of like mysterious like
Speaker 2: male author from like the fifties, sitting in a bar
Speaker 2: like drinking and dirty martini or on No Sex and City.
Speaker 1: They didn't drink my teenie or anything. Anyway, it just
Speaker 1: feels cool.
Speaker 2: And then we're going to watch Crossroads, which is what
Speaker 2: I did last year for my twenty eighth.
Speaker 3: It's Crossroads the Britney Spears felt nice.
Speaker 1: It's kind of I think that's gonna be my thing
Speaker 1: for a few years.
Speaker 3: Okay, you've seen it before? Ously how many times have
Speaker 3: you seen that?
Speaker 1: F couldn't count?
Speaker 3: Okay, is it good?
Speaker 1: I think it is.
Speaker 3: Did you see it when it came out as a kid?
Speaker 2: I mean I don't think it you know, it's not
Speaker 2: critically acclaimed, and I definitely at my twenty eighth birthday,
Speaker 2: everyone who was there was like, Julia, this sucks. And
Speaker 2: I was just like raging drunk, being like shut up,
Speaker 2: and I'm just like saying every word and it was
Speaker 2: like totally obnoxious. But yeah, no, it's just kind of,
Speaker 2: you know, it grounds me. It takes me back the
Speaker 2: good old days when life was simple. Anyway, good night,