WEBVTT - Ep 78: Julia Jacklin 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:02.640 And I was standing on stage with these coach praying. 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:04.880 There's like thousands of people and I'm like lifting the 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:06.520 rain up with him, and then it stopped raining. 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:10.680 Hey everyone, and welcome to episode seventy eight of the podcast, 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:15.520 where tonight's guest is Julia Jacqueline, who I recorded this 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:19.239 episode with probably about a month ago now, and Julia 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:23.160 had just flown into the country. She had literally got 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:26.079 off a plane. She got a cab to our office 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:29.479 to record this episode and then she was getting in 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:32.280 a van to drive to Wales to play the green 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:35.120 Man Festival the following day. So it was a very 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:38.320 narrow window to get this done. So thank you to 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:42.280 Julia for agreeing to do this when she had been 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:45.440 so busy. She's been touring since February when she released 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:48.960 her second album called Crushing and if you haven't heard 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:52.440 that record yet, and especially if you're a fan of 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:58.800 extremely emotional and honest and raw folk music and folk 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:03.760 rock music, then then check it out. It's quite something, 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:07.240 this record. I won't try and give it some justice now. 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:10.440 I met Julia at the end of last year. We 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:12.640 did a cover feature with her for the cover of 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:16.319 Loud and Quiet issue one, hundred and thirty one. You 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:18.920 can read that on our website on loudon quiet dot com, 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:21.360 where you can get the lowdown on that record and 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:24.520 everything that went into it and the heartbreak and the 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:27.199 hope that came out of it as well. So that's 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:31.000 all in there. This conversation is a lot more relaxed. 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:33.959 These podcasts tend to be that way when you've spent 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:36.800 a decent amount of time with the person beforehand, and 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:38.880 this wasn't the first time I'd met Julia, so it 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:41.200 was just nice to catch up with her, and we're 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:44.640 going to pick up the conversation talking really about the 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:49.720 perils of touring festival, the festival circuit, because Julia was 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:53.040 about to play green Man, as I say, and then 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:56.200 she was about seven days away from the end of 0:01:56.280 --> 0:02:01.720 festival season. So that's where this conversation starts. And let 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:04.200 me just remind you that you can support this podcast 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:07.720 by subscribing to Loud and Quiet magazine. All the information 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:11.320 is at loudon Quiet dot com forward slash subscribe, where 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:13.880 we will post you our next nine issues for as 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:16.040 little as three pounds per month. 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:19.079 You can you can see people leaving. 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:21.600 That's the other thing about festivals, Like even if they're 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:23.320 just going to the bathroom or they want to get 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:25.839 a kebab, or they run out a beer, or they're 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:28.520 meaning a friend, you can still like visually see people 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:32.079 like halfway through you're just like singing your guts out. 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:34.160 You just see them be like, oh yeah, time to go. 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:38.720 Somewhere. Else is starting over there. I just go and 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:40.880 check that out. I feel like I've got enough, Julia 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:42.799 jackling out of this, you. 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:44.840 Know, and you're just sitting like, is there not enough 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:45.120 for you? 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:48.400 I feel like when I get really and that's the 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:50.920 other thing, the festival season, you're just like it's chaotic 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:53.720 if you're just flying in and being transferred to some 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.880 place that's usually like some big field or some air 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:03.040 hanger or some weird space and kind of thrown into the. 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:03.680 Mess of it. 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:06.600 And then yeah, sometimes you get on stage and I'm 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:09.639 in such a weird mood. But I feel like I've 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:12.720 been close to just being you know, being. 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:13.200 A bit rude. 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:16.080 Yeah, but that would be okay as well. I think 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:20.240 have you ever like do you have? Because some of 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:24.520 your songs, especially are very quiet and hushed and minimal, 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:28.359 and I have seen you play at festivals as well 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:30.280 as your own shows. But at your own shows, I'm 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:33.680 aware of the fact that the audience are very respectful 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:35.160 of that, and I normally you can hear a pin 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.520 drop they're very quiet, but obviously at a festival a 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:40.240 bit like that walking away thing. Yeah, that kind of 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:42.320 rab it in on and talking. Do you find that 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:44.520 And is that off putting when you're singing like a 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:47.000 really you know, quiet song. 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:50.160 Yeah, I mean it's always I just always focused on 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:55.280 because you always know that there's a massive group listening 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:59.320 that you might not be able to feel because loud 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.800 people louder than quiet people obviously. 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:07.280 But yeah, because that's the other thing. 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:09.320 You don't ever want to throw a show just because 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:11.880 like there's some people who are not into it, because 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:14.200 you don't want to be disrespectful to the people who 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:15.800 were like really paying attention. 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.960 Before you were playing festivals as a musician, did you 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:24.720 go to festivals? Yes? Which were Which are the big festivals? 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:30.200 Well, they're Australian ones, so they're probably not world known. 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:33.760 There was one called Blues. 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.560 Fest Okay, which is a pretty big one in Australia. 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:38.000 Is that the first one you went to? 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:41.400 Now, the first one I went to was one called 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:44.719 The Great Escape, which went bankrupt. 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:45.280 I think it. 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:49.080 It had one year, right, and I was seventeen, and 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:52.400 it was like the best two days of my hotel life. 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:54.920 Who played the Great Escape? 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:59.360 I don't even remember, Like, wait, who was it? No 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:03.159 one that great. Not to say anything bad. 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:05.920 But it was like wolf Mother, Okay, like the fume 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:09.719 that a wolf wolf Mother is still going right, but 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:12.080 it's just the one guy, the big care. 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:15.160 I guess I saw them advertise on some random casino 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.800 in some middle of America, but. 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.559 Playing okay, so you saw what made it. I remember 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:24.919 the first festival I went to, and it was the 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:26.839 best two days of my life. Yeah, it was like 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:29.159 and I was about seventeen, Yeah, and it was just 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:33.520 that being let off the leash, like away from your 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:37.600 parents and being able to stay up all night and 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:41.520 it being done. Was it like a camping festival you're outside? Yeah, yeah, exactly, 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:43.279 like the best time ever. 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:44.560 Yeah it was. 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:49.360 Well, it was great for many reasons, like one because 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:52.440 I had just moved high schools. So I'd moved from 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:56.560 my first high school where I was miserable, Like I 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:58.400 just I didn't I didn't know. 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:00.279 Who I was supposed to be. I was. 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:03.600 I knew I loved music, but none of my friends 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:07.200 played music or cared about music. And if you were 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:11.520 into music at school, you either liked Jack Johnson or 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:12.919 like Ozzie hip hop. 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:18.040 Two. I don't have anything against Jack Johnson, but I 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:19.080 do not like that. 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.880 Music, and I don't like his busy hip hop well 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:25.279 definitely not the kind that was, you know, very popular 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:28.520 at the time. So I just yeah, like I knew that, 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:30.320 I really And then I was classical. I was doing 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:33.480 classical singing. So I was just lost. I didn't know 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:35.760 where I fit in musically, and so I moved high 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:39.800 schools to the city to a music high school, and 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:42.920 I met someone on the train who was also starting 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:44.640 this new high school, and we became really good friends. 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:47.080 And she was like, Hey, I'm going to this music festival. 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:49.320 Do you want to come? 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:52.960 And I was like, a music festival. I don't know 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.640 people who go to music festivals, Like, oh my gosh, 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:59.040 I'm in heaven. Like just even meeting someone. 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.280 Who invited me to me music festival, like none of 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:04.840 my friends, like none of my circle at my previous 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:06.279 high school would even think. 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:06.760 To do that. 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:10.040 So so that was you know, I just felt like 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:13.640 this door had been open to me. And yeah, I 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:21.200 went to this festival and for one my sister's ID worked, 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:25.000 so I had a fake ID, which is great. 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:26.640 Do you look much like your sister? 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:28.480 Yeah, okay, yeah very much. 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:33.440 So that was No, that's not true. Sorry, I have 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:35.920 used I used to use my sister's idea all the time. No, 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:38.920 what happened was I just thought as I walked in, 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:40.960 I was like, you know what, I'm just going to 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:44.760 show this security guard my student ID card, which said I. 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:47.360 Was seventeen and was also a high school ID card. 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:49.880 I was just like, maybe they're dumb enough to think 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:53.360 that like nineteen ninety means that I'm of age, right, 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:55.680 And they did, and they. 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:57.640 Gave me over eighteen's wristbands, and I was like. 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:01.200 Because they thought she wouldn't be showing me this if 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:01.880 it proved that she was. 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:07.560 So that was cool and also gave me a lot 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:09.680 of like newfound cred with like all of these new 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:11.520 people I was just meeting because I was like, Hey, 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:12.520 this is what I did. 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:17.880 I've got a wristband, I'm getting the drinks and then yeah, 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:18.480 it was just. 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:21.200 Like I'd never i'd never been around like all that 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.920 music before, and you know, it had like it was 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:26.280 one of those festivals with lots of different tents and 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:28.880 so you're just like up and close people are on 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:30.120 stages and playing. 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:31.040 Instruments, and I was like, whoa. 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:36.480 And there was this girl at my high school. Her 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:37.800 name is Holiday Sidewinder. 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:40.520 Oh, she's think Alex Cameron's pad. 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:43.000 Yes, yeah, So she was at my high school and 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:46.040 I thought she was I mean, she is she's really 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:49.440 cool and I am friends with her now, but at 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:52.440 the time she was like at my new high school. 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:55.240 I thought, she is the coolest person that I've ever 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:59.040 seen in the world, and I must impress her. 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.040 Like I wanted her to like me so badly. 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:04.800 And so she was at the festival because she was 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:08.400 playing with her first band, Bridezilla, which was also so 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:11.520 crazy to me, the fact that I knew someone who 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:14.040 went to my high school who's playing at a music festival. 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.160 I was just like, what is this world that I 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:18.280 have entered into? 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:21.839 And yeah, so I kind of just I remember watching 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:26.920 Lee Scratch Perry right, and I was with Holiday, and 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:29.079 I was like, how can I impress her? Like how 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:32.360 can I get in? And I was like I have 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:35.160 to get on the stage, like I must get on 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.800 this stage and she will think I'm the coolest person 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:42.520 that has ever existed as well. So I just took 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.520 a time. I took a moment. I jumped over the fence. 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:47.439 How drunk were you at this point? 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:48.480 Pretty drunk? 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:50.800 Okay, but not crazy drunk, because I remember the whole 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:53.000 thing and I was still like agile and like I 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:58.480 wasn't like you know, teenage, you know, sloppy mess. I 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:03.240 was had my together. I just had a few drinks 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.560 of courage in me, and so I jumped over the 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:08.000 fence and then the security guards like pulled me back. 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:10.920 But then Lise Scratch Perry looked at me and he 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:14.720 was like, no, let her on stage, And so I 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:18.600 got on stage and me and Lisa Gerry held hands. 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:20.480 Oh. 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.640 He sang this song It's and then he was singing 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:28.719 and I just remember it started raining and maybe imagining 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:32.280 this dream dream I know, but this is how. 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:33.480 Crazy this festival was for me. 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:37.800 It started raining and then he was like, let's sing 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:39.640 a song to stop the rain, and he started singing 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:41.160 this song about lifting the rain up. 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:43.719 And I was standing on stage with Lease Coach pray 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:44.839 and there's like thousands. 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:46.520 Of people and I'm like lifting the rain up with 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:47.680 him and then it stopped raining. 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:52.560 When you're stood there holding hands and you're singing this right, 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:56.280 this rain song? Can you see Holiday signed Wine from 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:58.040 where you are? Is that how you're looking at You're 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:00.840 thinking the whole time? She can she see? Is she? 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:03.640 What does she think of this? What's what's her face doing? 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:07.960 All I cared was that she was present and she 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:11.439 was looking at what was going on. Okay, and yeah, 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:13.400 she probably is so funny. I should ask her about 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:15.600 this because she would not remember this at all. 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:19.240 I don't know. I think she probably would. I think 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:23.079 she would. Did you so after the after the set, 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:26.160 how long were you up there for? Did you was it? 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:28.440 Did you just climb back down get back into the 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:29.280 crowd kind of thing? 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:30.079 Yeah? 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:31.520 Yeah, okay, it. 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:34.680 Was like probably like probably like a full song. 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:35.600 Okay. 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:36.080 Yeah? 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:39.880 And what did your friends and particularly Holiday someone? What 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.679 does she think? What did they think of that you 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:46.160 were like a hero right the king? And did she 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:47.640 then think you were like super cool? 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:52.679 Ah? Maybe maybe not? I don't know, Like it definitely. 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:54.640 Helped she was thinking I should have done I bet 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:57.720 everyone knows what's coming ship. I should have done that. 0:11:57.720 --> 0:11:58.280 That's cool. 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:00.400 Yeah, no, it probably it probably helped. 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:03.560 I don't know if it like solidified my coolness for 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.000 like the whole school year, Like I had to do 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:07.240 a few other things. 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:09.559 What else did you have to do? 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:12.480 Like nothing, I don't know. I think that was actually 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:13.480 the I think I peaked. 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:15.839 Yeah, that's kind of you can't really follow. 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:19.680 That, And then it was a bit downhill from there. Yeah. No, 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:21.560 I definitely wasn't like the coolest person. 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:28.160 I can see why. I can now see why that 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:30.280 was the best first two days of your life. 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:32.120 Yeah, like it was. 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:35.280 That story reminds me of the story you told me 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:41.400 about being young, probably younger than that. I imagine when you 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.440 wanted to show to people that you could sing, and 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:48.400 you'd put your headphones on and start singing really loudly 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.960 as a small girl, and with the idea of taking 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:53.679 them off and saying, oh, sorry, was I singing out 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:55.520 loud then? And that'd be like, you've got such an 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:59.160 incredible voice. Yes, that kind of reminds me of that. 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:01.880 Like it sounds like as a young person you're quite 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:06.160 kind of fearless, or you just would kind of do 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:11.120 anything to get people to think you were cool. And 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:12.760 I knew that with the greatest respect. 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:15.920 Yeah, that's funny. You say that because this is this 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.520 is not well, this doesn't reflect well on me. I 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:19.000 don't think. 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:22.480 I remember standing in the line to get food at 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:29.400 that festival and I I was singing a song like 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:33.360 an Angus and Julia's Stone song, and I just remember 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.439 and I was. I remember singing in this line, being like, oh, 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:40.040 I'm just casually singing. But I also was like, maybe 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.040 like someone will notice how good I am at singing. 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:45.280 And then this woman turns around, She's like, You've got 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:48.240 a really beautiful voice, and I was like, oh gosh, 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:55.800 was I even was I singing? Yeah? 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:59.560 I mean, the starry eyedness of being seventeen can never 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:00.680 be repeated. 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:04.080 Yeah, And I'm actually mourn that quite a lot. Me too, 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:09.319 because I especially like working in music and being a 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:14.000 music fan. I resent the fact that nothing, however much 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:16.720 I love something, now, if I hear something, even if 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:18.360 it's like an old thing that I've never heard before, 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:20.360 I'm never gonna love. It's never going to mean as 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:21.920 much to me as I did when I was seventeen. 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:23.040 Ever, I know. 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:25.760 You're never going to idolize those people in the same way, 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:29.120 and that I think is unfair. That's why I actually 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:31.920 that's kind of the thing I miss most about being 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:36.640 young totally and being like a kind of hopelessly romantically 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:40.120 walking around the streets listening to music on the way 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:42.760 home from a party or whatever. Oh, and you can't 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:45.400 replicate that hard. It's sad, I know. 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.160 And I find that I have like like a little 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.480 glimpse of it here and there, and I chase that. 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:55.080 I chase it so hard, but it never hits you 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:55.880 in the same way. 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:56.240 You know. 0:14:56.640 --> 0:15:00.160 Do you revisit them, the songs that used to do 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.560 that to you? Do you listen to them a lot 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:04.000 now or occasionally now? 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:05.120 I do? 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:07.800 I do, And I tend to do this a lot 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:10.240 when I'm on the tour, and especially coming towards an 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:14.960 end of tour, where I'm feeling old and sad and 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:21.200 missing home, which is how I always get when I. 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:25.040 Yeah, that's me most days. That's my constant stage. 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:26.120 Regular life. 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:26.760 That's life. 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:30.080 Yeah, Like I think just at this point where I 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:33.320 just I feel just you know, not to complain too much, 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:35.600 I'm very I'm just very exhausted, because it's just like 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:38.080 a lot of plain travel and just like a lot 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:43.840 of exposure. You're just constantly like around people and constantly like, 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:49.000 you know, I don't mind being photographed by people I trust, 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:54.360 but I don't. I don't like it most of the time. 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.200 And so just having that kind of stuff every day 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:00.000 just really wears me down. It just makes me feel 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.160 like I'm not very exposed, very expossed. 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:07.240 So it's in those moments that I really tend to 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:09.360 go back to that music. 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:13.160 And yesterday, when I was like driving through the beautiful 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:16.600 like countryside of Portugal, I just had like my head 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:20.320 down and I was listening to let Go Ari Leven. 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:23.240 And I was just thinking, like. 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:26.960 I was trying to remember what it felt like when 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:28.800 I first heard Complicated. 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:32.600 That's the tune, isn't it. That's the sothing that isn't 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:34.520 that the song that you said that wasn't that the 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:37.120 song you tried to impress your dad with singing complicated? 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:43.360 Oh? Was it complicated? Yes, yep, it was. Yeah, there's 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:43.760 a song. 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:46.680 There's also a song called I'm with You on that album, 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:47.760 which I also. 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:50.200 That's also like a ballad one. 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:54.720 Yeah, it's like, yeah, standing on a bridge. I'm waiting 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.800 in the dark. Is anybody I know? 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:04.880 Because things going right and everything's a mess. 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.439 Like none like listening back, like I thought, it was 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:09.120 so profound, poetic, so poetic. 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.160 I mean, she's really not saying anything specific. 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:16.919 At all, just listing things, just kind of giving a 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:21.959 vague idea of where she is and that no one 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:22.520 else is there. 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:29.680 But yeah, I was listening to those songs, and yeah, 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:34.120 I just remember feeling so much like I remembering my. 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:38.639 Room and I had my like JVC CD player and 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.840 I would just turn that up so loud, just like 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:46.119 line my bed, just like thinking I would die of feelings. 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:48.960 I would literally dissolve. 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:52.160 And I missed that feeling. 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:52.760 I know. 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.360 But I suppose at the time, you probably, I mean 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:57.520 at the time, I can't do you think at the 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:01.639 time you felt you enjoyed that feeding. I think I 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:03.960 think I probably did in a weird way. 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:06.200 I think it was just so intense that it was 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:11.560 just like this incredible mix of beauty and tragedy, you know, 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:12.159 like it. 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:13.600 I think I really. 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.560 Enjoyed it, mostly even if even if it felt really sad, 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:20.560 because just like being super sad felt good. And then 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:23.040 you listened to like other sad teenage music and you're 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:24.400 just like, we're all in this together. 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:30.000 Around that time, would you be listening to the Stroke 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:33.200 song that you've just covered, Yeah, Someday was that part 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:35.520 of that because that would have come out when you 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:40.720 were like eleven eleven. Yeah, that's a great cover you started. 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.240 You did that cover a while ago, originally right on 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:43.919 a Yeah. 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:45.040 It was like two and a half years ago. 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:47.280 Okay, what made you put it out recently? 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.399 I think just Triple J finally got with the times 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:52.160 put on Spotify. 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:54.480 There was no Yeah, a few people were like, wow, 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:57.320 why did you finally decide to put it out? Actually, nothing, 0:18:57.920 --> 0:18:59.320 they just put it out. 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:01.159 We should explain to people listening to this is a 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:03.159 cover of Someday by the Strokes that you did for 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:06.359 a radio station called Triple J. Triple J is like 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.000 Australia's like cool radio station, right, It's. 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:15.960 Like it's yeah, yeah, it's like our mainstream youth radio. 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:17.840 Okay, right right right, Well. 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:21.400 Like yeah, it's not mainstream. 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:26.160 It's not like it's like is it like six music here, yeah, 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.480 which is like it's mainstream, but it plays bands, it 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:33.600 plays like alternative sort of stuff. Who was your favorite 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:35.960 Stroke when you're eleven, who is your favorite member? 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:38.719 Well, it's funny. 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:41.800 A lot of the bands I loved at that time, 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:44.399 like I had no idea what they looked like. 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:46.760 That was a totally So. 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:49.840 You were a fan of the Strokes without seeing them. Yeah, 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:53.199 I mean that's quite amazing that I'm a big Strokes 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:55.440