Speaker 1: The Craig Ferguson Pants on Fire Tour is on sale now.
Speaker 1: It's a new show, it's new material, but I'm afraid
Speaker 1: it's still only me, Craig Ferguson on my own, standing
Speaker 1: on a stage telling comedy words. Come and see me,
Speaker 1: buy tickets, bring your loved ones, or don't come and
Speaker 1: see me. Don't buy tickets and don't bring your loved ones.
Speaker 1: I'm not your dad. You come or don't come.
Speaker 2: But you should at least know what's happening, and it is.
Speaker 1: The tour kicks off late September and goes through the
Speaker 1: end of the year and beyond. Tickets are available at
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Speaker 1: available at the Craig Ferguson show dot com slash tour
Speaker 1: or at your local outlet in your region. My name
Speaker 1: is Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast is Joy.
Speaker 1: I talk to interest in people about what brings them happiness.
Speaker 1: On the podcast today is one of my oldest friend.
Speaker 2: Well he's not old at all.
Speaker 1: I'd find he's younger than me, but he's which doesn't
Speaker 1: make you young by any stretch of the imagination. But
Speaker 1: he's a lovely man and a good friend of mine
Speaker 1: and an excellent member of the show business community. He's
Speaker 1: a writer, he's an actor, and he hasn't mustash.
Speaker 2: His name's Tom Lennon. This is good. This is like
Speaker 2: being in CNN.
Speaker 3: So you finally got the chair of your dreams that
Speaker 3: you were dreaming about, and.
Speaker 1: You know, this is this chair is It's from a
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard of this company.
Speaker 2: They're very, very exclusive. Is what they do is that you.
Speaker 4: Buy the chair in a flat pack form, and then
Speaker 4: you have the chair and it gets delivered to your
Speaker 4: house by Vikings and then that's a clue to the
Speaker 4: column people. Yeah, and then but luckily, what you have
Speaker 4: to do is you have to hide while the Vikings raid,
Speaker 4: pillage and all the other stuff they do.
Speaker 3: They do. Yeah, yeah, they do a lot as a
Speaker 3: result from stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you know that the Vikings were actually
Speaker 1: I'm just turning the sound up so I can hear
Speaker 1: you bear. Vikings were the most prolific traders and slaves
Speaker 1: in human history.
Speaker 3: Apparently that seems like attracts also, could I say it
Speaker 3: feels a lot like when you went to the catalog
Speaker 3: for the chair. You just had a fever dream about
Speaker 3: the show Dynasty and everybody, and like the shoulder pads
Speaker 3: on all these foxy eighties ladies. See what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: it's got a foxy Are.
Speaker 2: You saying you think it's a folksy? It feels like
Speaker 2: is a bit shoulder.
Speaker 3: It feels like in a nightmare where Angie Dickinson as
Speaker 3: like an eighties sex pot where she's gonna go. She
Speaker 3: was absolutely it wasn't his. So let's say some evil
Speaker 3: wizard was like Angie Dickinson, you shall now live as
Speaker 3: a chick.
Speaker 1: You shall spend it as a chick, now that you
Speaker 1: have done so many evil deeds.
Speaker 2: But wait for.
Speaker 3: You, you shall sit under Craig Ferguson for the rest
Speaker 3: of your life.
Speaker 1: First of all, there's a flow in your logic here,
Speaker 1: because Angie Dickinson, whilst the gorgeous eighty six.
Speaker 2: Not evil in any well, no, you're not evil at
Speaker 2: all or delight delight.
Speaker 1: And also I noticed that your evil wizard was English
Speaker 1: and also Irish.
Speaker 2: So I don't I don't think that.
Speaker 3: Well he started off, he started he always they always
Speaker 3: land a little bit Irish, you know, it's better than
Speaker 3: land Land over that way.
Speaker 1: Well, my, when I do accent work, it's usually can
Speaker 1: you do a Scottish accent? And I say yes, that's
Speaker 1: pretty much it. The only English I did an English
Speaker 1: voice and Drew Carry show.
Speaker 2: But that was bad. That was a bad English one.
Speaker 3: Let's go to a clip.
Speaker 5: Craig Ferguson from Drew Carry. Oh, I'm gonna fire you
Speaker 5: right away. Get the hat out of here, Drew Carry.
Speaker 5: My name is Craig Ferguson. No, no, it was mister Wick.
Speaker 5: It was mister Wegg.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I said, carry, you're fired.
Speaker 3: Oh, very good.
Speaker 1: I went for port. I went for Porch before Nawby
Speaker 1: before it was cool. It's still not cool.
Speaker 3: But I just learned something about British people, you know
Speaker 3: who live, you know, very close to you in Scotland.
Speaker 3: The British people. Did you know that? Very like until
Speaker 3: our childhood you could go to a shop in the
Speaker 3: in the the East End and get jellied eels to eat.
Speaker 1: Oh oh wait wait you can still. You can still
Speaker 1: go to stores in the East End of London and
Speaker 1: get jelly deals. It's a delicacy. How well you go
Speaker 1: into this or first of all, you get on your
Speaker 1: flat cap.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I go in I'm doing now, I'm doing some
Speaker 3: pretty weird yeah, thumb thumbs in your raise. Go oh shit, Okay.
Speaker 1: You go into the store to say jelly deals please,
Speaker 1: and they say why certainly, And they don't put.
Speaker 3: You in a straight jacket and take you this, say
Speaker 3: we're taking you to the lunatic asylum because no one
Speaker 3: would eat todays.
Speaker 2: No, they eat jelly deals. And the thing is, the.
Speaker 1: Eels are very good near the sewage outlets because you
Speaker 1: know what eels like to eat, so the eels that
Speaker 1: they eat.
Speaker 3: Threw that out so casually, No, we don't know what
Speaker 3: they'd like to eat. Do eels eat poop? There are
Speaker 3: saying eat something like poop or something I don't want to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think eels eelsily anything in organics, and that
Speaker 1: includes you know, they don't.
Speaker 2: Know it's poop their eels.
Speaker 1: They just think, Wow, what's all this amazing delicious stuff
Speaker 1: coming out of this pipe.
Speaker 3: They don't know it's poop. It's probably got other eels.
Speaker 3: God with this thing went sideways quick. I'm sorry I
Speaker 3: asked about it. I just thought you'd probably know about
Speaker 3: it as it's a delicacy from nearby. You.
Speaker 1: Well, English people eat well Cockneyese. Basically they call them
Speaker 1: Cockneyes because they eat.
Speaker 3: The cock was a totally different reason. I've always assumed.
Speaker 3: I heard Michael Caine and I when I heard Coxes,
Speaker 3: I just thought, Wow, this guy seems I thought his
Speaker 3: acting was amazing. I didn't know.
Speaker 1: It's that that's their favorite in the East end of London.
Speaker 1: That's why they have That's why they have their thumbs
Speaker 1: and their waistcoats for balance. It's about center of gravity. Uh,
Speaker 1: they have to.
Speaker 2: They have to hold themselves back thumbs and his in
Speaker 2: order weight the weight.
Speaker 3: Would the eel were back to their jellied deal would
Speaker 3: just tip them straight forward they'd go.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. But here's the thing.
Speaker 1: That's only male cocknes, female cognies female. He's actually the
Speaker 1: correct name for a female cockney is a magni.
Speaker 3: Magnigne.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because of cockney in a agny.
Speaker 3: Anyway, I'm dying to try some of these jellied eels
Speaker 3: once I get back to that part of the world.
Speaker 1: Well, you know that you can get you get maguru,
Speaker 1: isn't that No, that's tuna.
Speaker 2: But there you eat. You can get eels in sushi.
Speaker 1: Rest So Japanese people eat eels and and and buy
Speaker 1: the extension.
Speaker 2: People who enjoy Japanese food eat eels.
Speaker 3: Your I know your how your family is a big
Speaker 3: Marmite family. You're a Marmite guy or aters? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: but that there's no eels in marmite. It could be
Speaker 3: that could be just takes no, no, it takes one
Speaker 3: genius to do that.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, that's absurd. Tom, marmaie is a vegetarian treat.
Speaker 2: You add eel to it, It's not gonna work.
Speaker 3: I would actually think if I'm gonna eat an eel
Speaker 3: and anyway, Marmont's going to be my way out, Marmite's
Speaker 3: going to be the only going to be the only
Speaker 3: way to get me to the other side of this tunnel.
Speaker 3: Oh you mean like for taste taste wise, I need
Speaker 3: something that.
Speaker 2: I never had, never tried.
Speaker 3: Deal. No, IM not going to do it, never had it,
Speaker 3: Not going to do it. Have you ever been to Japan? No,
Speaker 3: I haven't. See.
Speaker 1: Now you have to get yourself to Japan. Now, I
Speaker 1: went to a sushi restaurant in Japan. Now, I said
Speaker 1: before I went, I was just like you. I was like,
Speaker 1: I will never eat I never And I went to
Speaker 1: Japan and I went to have you ever seen the
Speaker 1: documentary Guo Dreams of Sushi?
Speaker 3: Only like a million times? I know that. Did you
Speaker 3: go to that place?
Speaker 2: I went to that exactly, Jero, Yes, it was.
Speaker 3: He nice to you.
Speaker 1: He he was okay because I've heard I heard I
Speaker 1: heard he's a little stand off. Well, no, I think
Speaker 1: he's formal. I think he's very he's very formal. It's
Speaker 1: very manners. And I went to the restaurant with Milo
Speaker 1: thirteen at the time. Right, So Mylein and I go
Speaker 1: to this restaurant because we had watched the documentary, and
Speaker 1: we go in and and they just.
Speaker 2: Gito sign just tells you what you're going to have.
Speaker 3: Yeah you can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you don't get to choose. It's like, here's
Speaker 1: what it is. And if you've seen the documentary, you'll
Speaker 1: know that his son is really big.
Speaker 2: Take sushi said the.
Speaker 3: Sun is how they got the Michelin star repairs or
Speaker 3: the ray exactly. Was he's a three? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: it's I think he's a three. He's a three star,
Speaker 3: which is the highest it goes. And then they took
Speaker 3: one away because it's too hard to get a table.
Speaker 3: So and he agreed. He had agreed. He said, that's okay,
Speaker 3: you can take one away. But one of the rules
Speaker 3: of Michelin Stars is I think his restaurant, how many seats,
Speaker 3: how many seats are in the restaurant total.
Speaker 2: It's not big.
Speaker 1: It's it's about size, a little, little little diner. It's
Speaker 1: like a little diner. It wasn't busy when I was
Speaker 1: in you.
Speaker 3: If I've been to your you have a bigger sushi
Speaker 3: restaurant in your.
Speaker 2: Else in my house, I've been there.
Speaker 3: I've seen it.
Speaker 1: The person in my house I've never been. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: go to the areas of my house, I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, wow, look at this chair, and you've got that
Speaker 3: weird karaoke place over there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's pretty big. But here's the thing. Though
Speaker 1: I've moved back to America to I know, I keep keep.
Speaker 3: Tabs on you. I keep tabs on you a little bit.
Speaker 2: I live in New England. Though.
Speaker 1: I actually had a party this summer and I was
Speaker 1: invited you to come to the party in the summer
Speaker 1: and you and you didn't.
Speaker 2: You didn't come.
Speaker 3: I know, I didn't make it.
Speaker 1: I do want to come though I'm dying to come. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know why I should come here. We we have
Speaker 1: eels like you would be.
Speaker 3: You know why I couldn't come. I couldn't come because
Speaker 3: I had to go do I got. I got. I'd
Speaker 3: agreed to do something, and I forgot when it was happening.
Speaker 3: But have you ever done one of these? I never
Speaker 3: would do it. I would never would do it except
Speaker 3: the you know how the movie business is in a
Speaker 3: giant recession. Well from all shows. For me, it is.
Speaker 2: So I hear you.
Speaker 3: I did the first ever, and I'd always been sort
Speaker 3: of dubious about these, but I had. I went and
Speaker 3: did a I had to do. I had to do,
Speaker 3: I got to do. It was really fun. I did
Speaker 3: a fan convention. I'd never done a fan convention. All right,
Speaker 3: it's a really you've never done one.
Speaker 1: I supplied demand, my friend. I don't have enough fans.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you definitely have enough fans, you you do. No,
Speaker 1: not enough for a convention, maybe enough to for if
Speaker 1: we all went to the sushi restaurant.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you, Michelin, I'll.
Speaker 3: Tell you right now. Not everybody at the fan convention
Speaker 3: has enough fans for a convention. Some folks definitely do.
Speaker 3: Some folks definitely do. You'll meet some real you'll meet
Speaker 3: some real interesting folks at the fan convention.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, is it a fan convention that that like
Speaker 1: they first of all, here and here's the main my
Speaker 1: main content.
Speaker 2: Do they pay you to go? Yes? Okay? Good?
Speaker 1: So I'm still listening and say, is it fans of
Speaker 1: Reno ninety one one? Is it fans fans the idea
Speaker 1: of show business in general?
Speaker 3: So like, here's a perfectly logical one corner of the
Speaker 3: fan convention that makes perfect sense. Ready is me and
Speaker 3: then Dennis Rodman and then Priscilla Presley, just the way
Speaker 3: that you always pictured us. You know how they sell
Speaker 3: that ice cream that's like three if you can't decide
Speaker 3: what you want, you know, Neapolitan. I think it's called
Speaker 3: after the Flag.
Speaker 1: I'll have Rodman, Presley, Lennon please, But you don't.
Speaker 3: Know, you're like, yeah, I don't want that much of
Speaker 3: any one of those three, But that for one corner
Speaker 3: in one beautiful place in Pittsburgh. This year, the Neapolitan
Speaker 3: ice cream flavor of three tables in a row Priscilla
Speaker 3: Lieutenant Dangle number ninety one, Dennis the Worm Rodman, And
Speaker 3: it makes if you think about it, it makes perfect sense.
Speaker 2: Well in a fan convention, So describe the few.
Speaker 3: Know, it's a very fun bunch. It was just it's
Speaker 3: a little it feels a little bit like you're at
Speaker 3: comic con. You know, it feels like you're at its people.
Speaker 3: You know, it's the it's uber fans. I'll say this.
Speaker 3: I've been on. You know I've been on and I
Speaker 3: know you've done this too. I've been on a couple
Speaker 3: of book tours when I've written a novel and gone
Speaker 3: out with a book, and you know who shows up
Speaker 3: at bookstores? Yeah, almost no one. Oh yead, no, that's true.
Speaker 3: Oh god, it's.
Speaker 1: I've been sitting in so many books, especially especially no.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I'm a very booky person, as you
Speaker 1: can tell.
Speaker 3: You've been bragging about your literacy for years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, I'm a reader. But I don't I
Speaker 1: can't tell you the last name I read a book.
Speaker 1: It's hard with all the business of I don't know
Speaker 1: on my last pictures of eels.
Speaker 3: My last novel and stuff, my last novel that I wrote.
Speaker 3: I had a book I went to had a book
Speaker 3: event up in San Francisco, just kind of just outside
Speaker 3: San Francisco. And I'm like, this is going to be
Speaker 3: so cool something like that. This could have been, yeah,
Speaker 3: could have been. And I got to the book event
Speaker 3: and there were twelve people at the book event, Craig,
Speaker 3: you ready, and six of them were my cousins. Six
Speaker 3: of them. Six of them was the San Francisco branch
Speaker 3: of the Lenons, of which there's a pretty big there's
Speaker 3: a lot of San Francisco Lenins. And thank goodness because
Speaker 3: they showed up for the book, the book event, because
Speaker 3: otherwise you're not always going to get folks at the
Speaker 3: book event. You know.
Speaker 2: It's funny. Now you surprised me. I don't think that.
Speaker 2: I didn't know the Irish went to San Francisco.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, yes, yes, so the Irish went to San
Speaker 3: Have you not seen the picture called dirty Harry Callahan.
Speaker 2: Oh that's true.
Speaker 3: Yes, not only that, my uncle Mike Lenin speaking out.
Speaker 3: So Michael Lennon, my father's older brother, was a captain
Speaker 3: on the San Francisco Police Force for like forty something years.
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's that's the police though, all the police.
Speaker 3: No, No, that's what we do we're Yeah.
Speaker 1: Until ninety about nineteen eighty seven, every policeman in the
Speaker 1: United States.
Speaker 3: That's what we're doing, and many of most of them
Speaker 3: were my cousins, many or most of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's Ireland, and then that's the Viking things.
Speaker 3: That's a good job for us.
Speaker 2: It seems to work out a couple of iris. No, No,
Speaker 2: it doesn't at all, likes you know, and I think
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons though, that I always felt
Speaker 1: very comfortable in Boston, because I felt like I looked
Speaker 1: like every call in the city.
Speaker 3: I lastic if I was doing like a Muppet Christmas Carol,
Speaker 3: where there's a Boston cop Ferguson, you're my number one.
Speaker 3: Really he would be like, oh my god, number one, Like, well,
Speaker 3: first of all, are you doing them up at Christmas Carol?
Speaker 3: Are you ready for this? You're ready for this? And
Speaker 3: I made a sort of a joke about that. I
Speaker 3: think that's because in my subconscious the state is working
Speaker 3: on a Do you ever remember a state sketch called
Speaker 3: Porcupine Racetrack that I wrote, Oh no, we didn't do it,
Speaker 3: we did it, We do it live. At the end,
Speaker 3: I come out in the Porcupine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're
Speaker 3: kind of working on we're working on a musical of
Speaker 3: that with Brian Henson's company. Do you know Brian Henson,
Speaker 3: he's the heir.
Speaker 2: I do know.
Speaker 1: I know Brian very well. Actually, we've not made a
Speaker 1: bunch of television show.
Speaker 3: That's what we're doing right now. He and I are
Speaker 3: not making something.
Speaker 2: He's a lovely guy. I love making television.
Speaker 3: Close to having almost not made something with him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I have not made about four great TV
Speaker 1: shows when Brian had I think he is a lovely man,
Speaker 1: though so lovely. Did you get two of the studios
Speaker 1: against the studios?
Speaker 4: We did?
Speaker 3: We got to go in that crazy meeting room, so
Speaker 3: it's not I mean, it's so crazy.
Speaker 1: It's Chaplain Studios. It was Charlie Chaplin Chaplin's the studios
Speaker 1: in Hollywood.
Speaker 3: And they recorded We Are the World there, which I'm
Speaker 3: sure you've seen the documentary Wait Tonight that's recorded at Yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 3: when it was then it was a music company for
Speaker 3: a long time. Uh, And they recorded because I think
Speaker 3: right there.
Speaker 1: I think I think I did hear that, because I
Speaker 1: think they had also said that the carpenters had recorded.
Speaker 6: Very very likely Karen Carr. Karen carpenters as a drummer.
Speaker 6: Karen Carpenter is a great drummer. Let's go to a
Speaker 6: clip and we're back. What I mean, Yeah, those great
Speaker 6: Karen Carpenter clip.
Speaker 3: So, no, we're working, we're working on I'm gonna act
Speaker 3: like we're working on it and it's gonna work out fine,
Speaker 3: you know, and just.
Speaker 1: Let's let's just say it's going on if you know
Speaker 1: it's in television right now, though, I mean this is true.
Speaker 1: I think it's certainly true for me. Like I I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm not involved in television right now. Whenever I pitch
Speaker 1: anything to anyone, they're like, oh that's great. Now I
Speaker 1: never hear anything again.
Speaker 3: I'm in a very weird place where I do, you know,
Speaker 3: Like I'm writing a show for Fox that I've been
Speaker 3: writing for about two years now. But then I'll have
Speaker 3: like auditions for like roles that you would think I
Speaker 3: could just get, you know, like they like recently auditioned
Speaker 3: for like weird guy who's in charge of the pickleball
Speaker 3: rules at Like weird guy. They're like fifties mustache, persnickety
Speaker 3: asshole who's in charge of the Pickleballs committee, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I have to audition for this.
Speaker 1: Well, here's I had the same thing. Somebody said, I
Speaker 1: got the I got. Somebody said to me, they said,
Speaker 1: we'd like you to do a chemistry read with the
Speaker 1: other star, and that we wanted to put you with
Speaker 1: I went, well, I don't. I don't need to do
Speaker 1: a chemistry what are you talking about? A chrimesty read
Speaker 1: this part? By the way, was this recently?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Was it this within this last year?
Speaker 2: Definitely within the last six months.
Speaker 3: Did we did we read for the same role and
Speaker 3: neither of us get it? Was it? Did you sign
Speaker 3: a non disclosure agreement where you couldn't talk about it?
Speaker 2: No? I didn't know. No, I did you did? All right?
Speaker 2: Let me.
Speaker 1: Oh, because I because I wouldn't do the chemistry reading,
Speaker 1: or you didn't even do it?
Speaker 2: No, I'm like, you know, what can we get?
Speaker 3: Can we get vaguely more specific? Was it it wasn't
Speaker 3: for some Is it for okay, okay, people playing a
Speaker 3: long concuss? Was it for a streaming service whose logo
Speaker 3: is a famous bird?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I believe it was.
Speaker 3: Yes, it was so it was for a streaming It
Speaker 3: was a high end streaming show, beautiful sur famous for
Speaker 3: showing off. It's beautiful plumage. And I'm not saying the
Speaker 3: name of anything, but he has beautiful plumage. Yeah, he's
Speaker 3: got his cock goes down to his knees. It's that
Speaker 3: is so And the rule.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine we were up for the same rule
Speaker 2: because the guy was Scottish.
Speaker 3: Oh no, then we know we weren't. We weren't.
Speaker 1: Oh wait no wait, and I said, no, no, no, here'scots.
Speaker 3: That's just something you thought. Of course.
Speaker 2: I think that's why I do. That's why I do.
Speaker 1: In every script I read, I read the script, go,
Speaker 1: well this guy, I'll tell you right now, why do
Speaker 1: I read it?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, thank god, this guy has a mustache.
Speaker 3: And then nowhere doesn't say that and I just told
Speaker 3: you he does. I'm like, well, lucky, it's another it's
Speaker 3: another mustache part for me.
Speaker 2: Well, I I don't know. I mean, it just seems
Speaker 2: like a very odd time.
Speaker 1: And every time I talked to a television executive now,
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I never never loved television executives, but no,
Speaker 1: I just think you guys are fucking idious.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't trust you to park my car.
Speaker 3: Can I say what's better about your version of the story? Though?
Speaker 3: So we both were reading for something for the Beautiful
Speaker 3: Bird streaming service, right. I did do the chemistry read right,
Speaker 3: and I did it, and I thought it felt like
Speaker 3: I was having Maybe I'm deluded. I might be a
Speaker 3: little delusional. You've known me for a long time. It
Speaker 3: seemed like one of the bad It seemed like one
Speaker 3: of the great auditions of my life.
Speaker 2: Really, I just knew I was killing it.
Speaker 3: Were you reading with an actress, an actress who's sort
Speaker 3: of specific?
Speaker 1: No, I I know who the actress was. But I
Speaker 1: refused to do the reading. I was like, didn't do it?
Speaker 1: Job or fu off?
Speaker 3: Oh see, that should have worked better for me because
Speaker 3: I did do the reading and I still didn't worry me. Fine,
Speaker 3: let's go, let's right now. Let's find out who got
Speaker 3: that and get him on this fucking podcast right now
Speaker 3: because I want to figure out what did Let's.
Speaker 2: Let's go to a commercial break, let's let me come back.
Speaker 3: We'll bring in who actually scooped me. I love that
Speaker 3: you had the balls not to just say I'm not
Speaker 3: going to do that.
Speaker 2: I don't by the way, that's a blanket policy for me.
Speaker 3: Not Yeah, but I can't. I can't do that.
Speaker 2: Of course you fucking can. No, I can't know who
Speaker 2: you are.
Speaker 3: No, they don't you, but they don't.
Speaker 2: They do they do they do that, otherwise they wouldn't
Speaker 2: have asked you.
Speaker 3: Well, my hubris, as always, the second they see me
Speaker 3: read it, I'm gonna get it. Like, there's no way
Speaker 3: they see me do this and not give it to
Speaker 3: me because I'm amazed.
Speaker 2: I mean, well, you are very amazing.
Speaker 1: My feeling is that if they see me doing it
Speaker 1: and they'll never give me to go.
Speaker 3: Keep the keep the mystery up there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think, Oh, you'll be sorry you never gave.
Speaker 3: It to me. They'll never know what it was like.
Speaker 3: You'll never know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Though. I always had a hard time with auditions. I
Speaker 1: could never do them. I failed so many additions.
Speaker 3: Worst one ever, worst one ever for fun Brave Heart?
Speaker 3: Did you you did not audition for Brave Heart? I
Speaker 3: did the friend like his best friend guy. Who there's
Speaker 3: the other dude?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the one I got I auditioned for I can't
Speaker 1: remember the exact part, but the actor who got it
Speaker 1: was David O'Hara, who's a.
Speaker 2: Very good sure of course. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it was between David and I to get the part,
Speaker 1: and David got it and I and it's crushed me
Speaker 1: ever since, crushed me. And then and and but recently
Speaker 1: I was talking to someone and they said, well, you know,
Speaker 1: have you talked to David recently, maybe even at like
Speaker 1: to have gone the way you went?
Speaker 3: I went, oh, yeah, that's a very good point. I
Speaker 3: The one that always broke my heart was there was
Speaker 3: about six weeks where it was pretty certain that I
Speaker 3: had the role of Ford Prefect in The Hitchhiker's Guide
Speaker 3: to the Galaxy. Oh yeah, no, I like I I
Speaker 3: basically I read it, did it seemed amazing. Didn't hear
Speaker 3: for a little while, and then I got a call
Speaker 3: They're like, hey, they want you to do the voice
Speaker 3: of the of the spaceship. I'm like, oh wait, that's
Speaker 3: like two or three lines off camera. They're like, yes,
Speaker 3: and did you do it? Of course, of course, But
Speaker 3: because the role ended up going to most deaf, it's
Speaker 3: the only time I think that and I were up
Speaker 3: for the exact same role.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't put you guys in a competitive situation.
Speaker 3: Never has the mustache hardly ever, Well, that's true.
Speaker 1: I actually I actually feel now it's funny that film
Speaker 1: because I was was and I am a huge fan
Speaker 1: of the Hitchhikers guys I met. Do you know Douglas
Speaker 1: I knew Douglas. I did not, and I did, so
Speaker 1: I knew him in London. Yeah, and I was a
Speaker 1: big fan of these books. In fact, Stephen Fry introduced
Speaker 1: me to Stephen Fry and Douglas Adams were the first
Speaker 1: two guys in London to ever own.
Speaker 2: The Apple computers. They were very early adopters.
Speaker 1: Of of PC, these Apple PC's, and they were both
Speaker 1: tech geeks. But Douglas Adams is the world the Hitchhiker's
Speaker 1: Guide series the best. I I thought that movie was
Speaker 1: a missed opportunity.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I actually recently I'd been talking so much smack about
Speaker 3: it to my son because I was. I gave him
Speaker 3: Hitchhiker's Guide, and I gave him basically Restaurant at the
Speaker 3: End of the Universe and the Long Dirty you know,
Speaker 3: all of the books in I order. And then I
Speaker 3: was talking smack about the movie a little bit and
Speaker 3: all He's like, put, you're in the movie I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: my voice is in the movie for a couple seconds
Speaker 3: here and there. But and then I actually threw it
Speaker 3: on the screen and we watched it, and it was
Speaker 3: way better than I remembered it. I think I was
Speaker 3: really I was really down on it at the time.
Speaker 3: Maybe I was just too close to the books. But
Speaker 3: this time around, and maybe now, you know, with Alan
Speaker 3: Rickman being gone like that, had a little gravitas to
Speaker 3: me that it didn't have before. And I ended up,
Speaker 3: damn it if I didn't end up really kind of
Speaker 3: really liking the movie of Hitchhiker's Guide. But I liked
Speaker 3: it for the first time now, which is only interesting
Speaker 3: because at the time I was mad. But I thought
Speaker 3: I really thought it kind of missed at the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that's fine. Well, maybe that maybe I
Speaker 1: should go and look at it again.
Speaker 2: That quite a low.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the what's the biggest movie you've been in
Speaker 1: where you thought I really wish I wasn't in this movie.
Speaker 1: This movie sucks, or or I just don't like this
Speaker 1: movie even tho though I'm in it.
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, I can tell you. I mean, here's a
Speaker 3: huge one. Here's a huge one, right, and this is interesting.
Speaker 3: My name is on the poster of this movie. So
Speaker 3: I read the script for this movie and the movie
Speaker 3: is called Ready, puppet Master, The Littlest Reich, puppet Master,
Speaker 3: the Littlest Reiche.
Speaker 2: So I have to I have to see this. I
Speaker 2: have to see this.
Speaker 3: So so it's like the seventh, it's like the seventh, eighth,
Speaker 3: or ninth of these haunted puppet movies. And I get
Speaker 3: the I get a call. We were supposed to go
Speaker 3: to a respon was going vacation. And I get a
Speaker 3: call and they're like, we have a straight up offer
Speaker 3: for you. And I'm like, well, the answer is yes,
Speaker 3: you know me. I mean like if it's a chemistry
Speaker 3: read for peacock or or a straight offer, I'm going
Speaker 3: to take the straight offer. And so I read the
Speaker 3: script and I definitely when I say read the script,
Speaker 3: you know me, I skimmed the script a little bit.
Speaker 3: I see does my Yeah, I read you anything funny?
Speaker 3: Are you anything funny?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: There's some sort of kissing and fun stuff and some stabbing.
Speaker 3: I get stabbed by a puppet, and you know there's
Speaker 3: a lot of dumb just dumb joada viv you know,
Speaker 3: the joada vive that you enjoy. It's like go down
Speaker 3: to Dallas, stay in an awful hotel, fight murderer, fight
Speaker 3: puppets for a you know, a couple three weeks or
Speaker 3: something like that.
Speaker 2: Beautiful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have nice dinner and stuff like that. Now,
Speaker 3: then I went I saw the picture, and not only they,
Speaker 3: actually the producer and the guys that have made them movie.
Speaker 3: After we finished the movie, they added way more scenes
Speaker 3: that were never in the script, that are so stunningly
Speaker 3: violent and so gross that actually, had they been in
Speaker 3: the script when I agreed to it, I might not
Speaker 3: have said, yes, it gets so gross.
Speaker 1: That's the problem with agreeing to do a movie when
Speaker 1: you only read your lines in the script.
Speaker 2: I do too. This is my technique.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that happened to be because I'm in a
Speaker 1: very very big This movie that I was at, it's
Speaker 1: made more money than any other movie I've ever been done.
Speaker 1: It won the Oscar that year for Best Animated Movie.
Speaker 1: I know what this movie is, Yeah, well is it?
Speaker 1: It's not brave?
Speaker 2: It is brave.
Speaker 3: No, I don't know brave. It wasn't truef We were
Speaker 3: saying that, the Rames saying yeah.
Speaker 2: No, it's brave and I am in that movie.
Speaker 1: And I when I was sitting and watching the movie
Speaker 1: and the it was like, I like this movie.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: The thing about we've had like so many movie is
Speaker 3: now where somebody, the mother or the daughter turns into
Speaker 3: a bear. It just keeps being a thing. I don't
Speaker 3: know when this became a thing that we're doing, but
Speaker 3: it is a thing.
Speaker 1: So you can't poison you you don't get what you want,
Speaker 1: and so you poison your mom to turn her into
Speaker 1: a bear.
Speaker 2: That is no lesson to be given to young people.
Speaker 2: You know that.
Speaker 3: I might be against you on this one.
Speaker 2: I never enjoyed that one.
Speaker 3: Didn't you want How to Train Your Dragon? Also?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah I did all of that.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's some good ones. Yeah yeah, those are great.
Speaker 3: But those are really great. I love those ones.
Speaker 2: They are good.
Speaker 1: They're really good. I have nothing bad to say about them.
Speaker 1: They were fun and I love doing them.
Speaker 2: They're doing a live action of that. Really that's gonna
Speaker 2: be I'm not in it, but.
Speaker 3: You could be. Are you willing to do a chemistry test?
Speaker 3: You do a quick chemistry test?
Speaker 2: No, I'm not. I'm definitely not.
Speaker 1: I'm not it And they didn't ask me to don it,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't mean I think Jerry's doing it, and
Speaker 1: he's the only one from the the original ca then
Speaker 1: I think he is doing it, and then everybody else
Speaker 1: because I know there's obvious problems in the sense that,
Speaker 1: you know, we don't look like the people that we
Speaker 1: were in the thing.
Speaker 3: Well, that's a good thing about an animation. Yeah, we
Speaker 3: have a I have a funny thing. I have so many,
Speaker 3: Like I've gotten to the point now where I have
Speaker 3: created things that just kept going without them even telling
Speaker 3: me about them. Like I actually hosted the pilot fort
Speaker 3: at the original at midnight. Do you remember that.
Speaker 1: I knew you remember that.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to do I didn't want to do it,
Speaker 3: so I wanted Chris was gonna do it, and Chris
Speaker 3: hosted the whole time. And then I just found out.
Speaker 3: But i'd sort of produced it and kind of helped
Speaker 3: create it, and then I just found out later I
Speaker 3: got a call from the fun of your Die guys like, hey,
Speaker 3: we're gonna keep doing the show. I'm like, lucky me
Speaker 3: kut chin kuch. I don't own any of it at all.
Speaker 3: Turns out I own none of it.
Speaker 2: At all.
Speaker 3: No, none. So now I have to go sit next
Speaker 3: to Dennis Rodman every weekend. Every weekend, I sit next
Speaker 3: to Rodman. I get to sit I get to sit
Speaker 3: next to Robin. I've only done one. I've only done one.
Speaker 2: I'm into it though, I like, do you just say
Speaker 2: autographs and stuff?
Speaker 3: Is that you just be charming all day? You'll be
Speaker 3: exactly the way that you are at home, except it's
Speaker 3: out in person and people are squeezing your buns a
Speaker 3: little bit. You get a little bit of hank let
Speaker 3: me squeeze them.
Speaker 2: Now, let's get this little Glasgow boy up.
Speaker 3: You know, well you.
Speaker 1: Go, you put it like that, Yeah, I might do
Speaker 1: you get a couple of little.
Speaker 3: Pats on the bottom, just so you know you're doing
Speaker 3: a good job. And then uh no, that's all right.
Speaker 3: Yeah it's a good time. But oh no. And then
Speaker 3: I also like they made Disney made a full animated
Speaker 3: tell you speaking about just auditioning for something. I got
Speaker 3: a funny I got a funny audition story. So I
Speaker 3: got I got the you know, just an email from
Speaker 3: my agent which is, you know, there's an animated night
Speaker 3: at the museum that Disney Plus is doing. Uh the
Speaker 3: fourth night of the museum and would you like to
Speaker 3: read for the role of Teddy Roosevelt, which course was
Speaker 3: played by Robin Williams in the live action Trump, who
Speaker 3: was not a close friend, but we were friendly. And
Speaker 3: it was just a funny audition to have because I
Speaker 3: wrote and I at the museum, Yeah, I know. So
Speaker 3: it was like it was just so odd to get, like, hey,
Speaker 3: put yourself on tape, just record yourself. And so I
Speaker 3: just did a totally normal audition and thank god I
Speaker 3: booked it, yeah, because if I didn't get that, I
Speaker 3: would have been like, wow, that's pretty embarrassing.
Speaker 1: Well, let me give you a codicil to my Braveheart story.
Speaker 1: So I didn't get the role in Braveheart. Every Scottish
Speaker 1: actor in the UK gets a job in Braveheart.
Speaker 2: It sent me. I'm disillusioned beyond belief.
Speaker 3: Of course.
Speaker 1: So it's the early nineties. I go, well, I found
Speaker 1: enough of this. Oh, clearly I can't do Anthoneer. I
Speaker 1: go to America. Right, I'm in Los Angeles. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get work in Los Angeles and my agent at
Speaker 1: the time says, hey, they're doing an audio book of
Speaker 1: the movie Braveheart and they're looking for a Scottish actor
Speaker 1: to read the audiobook of Bravefeart and I'm like, fine,
Speaker 1: I'll go out because I'll get it. I'm the only
Speaker 1: Scottish person in Los Angeles at that time. And I
Speaker 1: go to the thing and I do the reading and
Speaker 1: I'm no. I kind of lay on a little bit
Speaker 1: with Milady thinks.
Speaker 2: That it's done. God, you're perfect for this school, perfect
Speaker 2: right exactly.
Speaker 3: By the way, I can't believe you had to audition
Speaker 3: even for.
Speaker 2: This well, he used to think. Though I auditioned it,
Speaker 2: I don't get the job.
Speaker 3: You didn't get the movie or the audio book or
Speaker 3: the audio Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And the casting director told my agent, because I'm like.
Speaker 2: How could they not get me the job?
Speaker 1: I'm the only Scottish person in between here and New
Speaker 1: York City And they said, they said, well, we just
Speaker 1: didn't feel his accent was authentic.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Like right, I give up none, Oh
Speaker 3: my god.
Speaker 1: And at that point I had to become English and
Speaker 1: go on the Drew Carey Show, which I booked about
Speaker 1: a week later. But that was it was. I've never
Speaker 1: been so crushed. I couldn't even get a job as
Speaker 1: a scotsman.
Speaker 3: I have the worst non audition story. The worst thing
Speaker 3: I just found out about later. I never had an
Speaker 3: audition for it ever. I just found out later because
Speaker 3: there was a book about the Office that I was
Speaker 3: on a casting list for the Michael Scott role in
Speaker 3: the Office.
Speaker 2: That would have made sense.
Speaker 3: I know, it does make sense. And then in some
Speaker 3: ways when it came out and it was like the
Speaker 3: apparently there was a memo and there was a bunch
Speaker 3: of funny people on it. Paul F. Tompkins was on
Speaker 3: as a genius, and yeah, a bunch of really funny people.
Speaker 3: But then I was like, oh, you know, maybe I
Speaker 3: wish I don't know, maybe it would have been more
Speaker 3: fun not to know that. It's fine. It's fine anyway
Speaker 3: you slice it. It's we did great. We had a
Speaker 3: great rhyme. You got that beautiful chair that you always
Speaker 3: dreamt about, the one that looks like Angie Dickenson.
Speaker 2: My dynasty got the Dynasty Angie Dickinson chair.
Speaker 1: I I was Fudge Dickinson actually because I was coming
Speaker 1: of age.
Speaker 3: She was yeah, police women, she's like a boss, she's
Speaker 3: like a real alpha lady. She's like, there's there was
Speaker 3: a certain era of lady like that that, yeah, she'd
Speaker 3: be the boss, you know, she'd.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she would like she would look great in heels,
Speaker 1: but she had also fire a gun and jump over
Speaker 1: a car and and catch pairs.
Speaker 3: Mine was mine was like Stepan Mine was Stephanie Powers
Speaker 3: from like Heart to Heart, I sort of call my
Speaker 3: vision of myself as an adult was basically that I
Speaker 3: would be in sort of like a My lifestyle would
Speaker 3: be very hard to heart lifestyle of like fast cars,
Speaker 3: murders very much. My lifestyle, very heart to heart. The
Speaker 3: murder was the bubble bats and murders. Champagne so much champagne,
Speaker 3: bubble do so much.
Speaker 2: Champagne, and that's so dangerous.
Speaker 3: Do you know that?
Speaker 2: I Mine is a pretty obscure one. This is my
Speaker 2: absolutely absolute sex symbol from the kid was an actress
Speaker 2: called Alexandra Bastido.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to they're gonna have to give me
Speaker 3: a little bit of background on this.
Speaker 2: Okay, So in the UK, and I guess it would
Speaker 2: be their late sixties early seventies, there was a TV
Speaker 2: show called The Champions. Okay, and the Champions they were previously.
Speaker 3: The Champions Champions.
Speaker 2: There were there were.
Speaker 1: Three spies agents and they had superpowers, like we could
Speaker 1: talk to each other.
Speaker 3: Almost, yeah, just tell Canesis or they had like.
Speaker 2: Right, the superpower they had.
Speaker 1: They would go like that and then they would post
Speaker 1: production would go, that's right.
Speaker 3: Said doctor who Superpowers. Yeah, it's right.
Speaker 1: Like there was like an egg whisk or something would
Speaker 1: commit and float around and then But the Alexandra past
Speaker 1: was in the show, and she was a young woman
Speaker 1: at the time, I was a child, but there was
Speaker 1: she used to.
Speaker 2: Wear she had these kind of like Chanel suits.
Speaker 1: And they were kind of tight, and she would like
Speaker 1: drive cars, you know, and walk in places.
Speaker 3: And this was a real thing at the time. This
Speaker 3: was a very much of a thing in our era
Speaker 3: because there was always those commercials with like Gina te
Speaker 3: after Batsplash and she's like a and she like rads
Speaker 3: that motorcycle. But then she's in a suit and you
Speaker 3: can't believe when she takes off mother cycle how much
Speaker 3: she is in a she has grit hair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all of that. So she was she was very,
Speaker 2: very very attractive woman.
Speaker 1: And and I always I've always told my whole life,
Speaker 1: I always said to.
Speaker 2: Megan, the I the ideal woman for me was I.
Speaker 1: Was again the first was until like man Megan was
Speaker 1: Alexandra by Stephen.
Speaker 2: So for my birthday one year.
Speaker 1: No uh Meghan and so Megan and the boys got
Speaker 1: me a signed photograph nice from that period of Alexandra Bastido.
Speaker 1: Nice and it was a great So I hung it
Speaker 1: up because when I come back from Japan and beat
Speaker 1: in Japan with Milo, I thought I loved the toilet
Speaker 1: so much in.
Speaker 3: Japan that I bought it's a toto or one of
Speaker 3: those amazing.
Speaker 7: Unbelievable like the one that goes it'll up your bottom,
Speaker 7: it'll say a haiku, it'll do a high co Yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 7: I am happy to accept your race. I mean it's unbelievable.
Speaker 7: So you've got so yeah. No, wait, here's what happens.
Speaker 1: So we I get this photograph of Alexandra Bastido and
Speaker 1: I put it up in my bathroom because then every
Speaker 1: time I go and.
Speaker 3: It was like, why is cre It's Craig been in
Speaker 3: the bathroom for four he's so but he's missing Christmas dinner.
Speaker 3: Where is he? He's looking at it, He's got his
Speaker 3: photo up. You know what he's doing.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: The Alexander the because the photograph is up there. The
Speaker 1: slang word for going for a poop in my house, the.
Speaker 3: Was copping a bustino. I remember a young boy crush.
Speaker 3: These are always such a fun thing, young boy crushes,
Speaker 3: because I got on an airplane one time and I
Speaker 3: almost fainted with how starstruck I was by the miss
Speaker 3: Susan Lucci. Okay, I saw Susan Lucci in person, and
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 2: Did you give her a namy?
Speaker 3: I was she not nominated for like thirty five forty
Speaker 3: years or something like that.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable? Yeah, I mean it was just a terrible.
Speaker 3: But I saw Susan Lucci in person. It was a
Speaker 3: I don't here, I think getting up. We were getting
Speaker 3: on the same flight, and I was just like, I can't,
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm about to be on the same
Speaker 3: airplane as Susan Lucci. Really freaked me out. I was
Speaker 3: just so like, I'll just I'm sure I look her.
Speaker 3: I must look fine, right, I'll just fix this hello,
Speaker 3: and I m hello.
Speaker 2: But do you ever get that now?
Speaker 1: I mean I used to get an adrenaline rush for night,
Speaker 1: like when a starstruck. When I was Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: get that anymore. This doesn't that happen.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think who could star strike me? These days?
Speaker 3: Occasionally there's a music person that you know, I got
Speaker 3: very starstruck. I I my first week in Los Angeles,
Speaker 3: I asked Tom Waits for his autograph, which was a
Speaker 3: huge mistake. Never do that, never ever, ever do that.
Speaker 3: Do not approach Tom Waits. He does not want to say.
Speaker 2: Kind of like, it's kind of like asking Lou Reed.
Speaker 3: I woulterally step towards him with a pen and like
Speaker 3: a pad of paper and he said naked quick and
Speaker 3: then he asked. I was like, mister Waits, could I
Speaker 3: have your autograph? And he said what are you gonna
Speaker 3: do with it? And I said, I'm putting it on
Speaker 3: the bulletin board. But I should I shouldn't have done it.
Speaker 3: But I'm trying to think who would I get? Really?
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, but you've met oh I held
Speaker 3: the bathroom were open for Mick Jagger at the Chateau
Speaker 3: Marmont one time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and with make Jagger? Yeah you know, ma,
Speaker 2: didn't you make a movie with Mike Jaggs exactly?
Speaker 3: That's your famous thing is you almost make movies and
Speaker 3: TV shows with people.
Speaker 1: Almost make movies that for about a year I didn't
Speaker 1: make a movie with Mike Jagger.
Speaker 3: I think I was a little starstruck. And you know,
Speaker 3: he said, Fanks. I held the bathroom door and he
Speaker 3: said Fanks, and I have thanks. And that was pretty neat.
Speaker 2: But why not going in the ballroom? Want you waiting
Speaker 2: around trying to say, just go backhand?
Speaker 3: But it was awfully nice that was at the Chateau Marmont.
Speaker 2: He's very very nice man.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I guess I was just hanging out
Speaker 3: with Dennis Rodman. So in some ways it's like Rodman
Speaker 3: if I didn't get starstruck by Rodman, which I did
Speaker 3: a little bit. He's also six foot seven inches tall.
Speaker 3: Of course, you know.
Speaker 2: Also he knows about talk about Cockney's.
Speaker 3: I mean, I can't talk about it, talk about Cockneys
Speaker 3: when you're number ninety one? The worm?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Is that why they call them the worm?
Speaker 3: I'm not actually sure. I think that was because he's
Speaker 3: kind of hard to wrangle. Why did that something.
Speaker 2: Just pick him up? Not a big one, not a
Speaker 2: big earth worm. Look, a worm is just a land eel,
Speaker 2: that's all it is.
Speaker 3: It's just a land we're closing every loop. We've closed
Speaker 3: every loop. We got cocks, we got land.
Speaker 2: I think I think we've closed every lip. But I
Speaker 2: think it's time to stop. I think it's time to stop.
Speaker 2: I think we've closed them all. I think we did that.
Speaker 1: We started with eels and we'll finished with eels. And
Speaker 1: I'm very delighted that you that you did the show again.
Speaker 1: Show every day whatever the it's not a show. Though
Speaker 1: it's not a show.
Speaker 3: I would talk to you every day, whether someone was
Speaker 3: listening or not. And in fact, when are you next
Speaker 3: to back east or or actually we'd be back east
Speaker 3: either late in the fall January. I speaking of things
Speaker 3: that are always happening, I've written a musical that is
Speaker 3: going very very slowly, but at something Broadway music, Broadway musical.
Speaker 3: I've written the book of the musical of Trading Places.
Speaker 2: The old movie was so amazing.
Speaker 1: It's been very very I was hoping you were going
Speaker 1: to say it was it was about Aaron Burr as
Speaker 1: a kind of you know counterpiece that.
Speaker 3: By the way, that's a fabulous idea. Why don't you
Speaker 3: do that?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: I love the idea I Aaron Burr. I've just read
Speaker 1: Gorvi Dall's biography of Aaron Burr. It's have you ever
Speaker 1: read it?
Speaker 3: I have not.
Speaker 2: You have to.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, yeah, amazing. I mean when people talk about
Speaker 1: the election, now, this has.
Speaker 2: Never been like this. I go, wait a minute.
Speaker 1: When Aaron Burr was the vice president, he was on
Speaker 1: trial for murder and treason and still the bread vice president,
Speaker 1: he ran away to New Orleans to raise an army
Speaker 1: to try and become the Emperor of Mexico. Might drop
Speaker 1: to everybody that's doing stuff today.
Speaker 3: Okay, I did not know the Emperor of Mexico stuff.
Speaker 2: Wow, oh my wow, wow. Ease see.
Speaker 1: I think there's a great musical in there with Iron
Speaker 1: Burr as the hero and Hamilton, you know, is the
Speaker 1: other side of the story.
Speaker 3: I always remember when I saw Hamilton. The first time
Speaker 3: I saw Hamilton, I talked to you after. I was like,
Speaker 3: I saw Hamilton and I loved it, And you were like,
Speaker 3: do you think that they say son of a whore
Speaker 3: and a Scotsman that it was a little derogatory?
Speaker 2: Wait a little bit, because he's the way he.
Speaker 3: Says like horror and a Scotsman like worse.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's kind of the best. Son of a whore
Speaker 2: and Scotsman.
Speaker 3: It's like taking an eel and you put it in
Speaker 3: jelly jelly meat, eel and scene.
Speaker 2: We're done, Get the hell out of here. Tom Lennon,
Speaker 2: I love you, correct I love you too,