1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super 7 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you 8 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff 9 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. It's our weekly Listen 10 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: Male segment. We are so thankful that you and your 11 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realist write to us via email, or tweet 12 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: to us, or find us on social media, or in 13 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: many cases give us a call. We want to share 14 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: your stories with the world. So I believe today we've 15 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: we've talked a little off air, and Matt, you found 16 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:16,559 Speaker 1: a voicemail that that touches on something we have, oddly enough, 17 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: never examined in almost a decade on the air. It's 18 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: very true, and it was brought to us by an 19 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: anonymous person who listened to a recent episode and thought 20 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: about his own experience. I'll let him tell you about it. Hey, Matt, 21 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 1: Ben Noel, I apologized and mysterious super producer, but I 22 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: haven't quite remembered your name yet. I hope you're all 23 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: doing all right during these really crazy times. I wanted 24 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: to talk about how similarly relatable the Floor Dallas cult 25 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: and how it sounds quite relatable to my experiences as 26 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: a tired child and a teenager. How have you ever 27 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: considered talking about the foster care system or even the 28 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: harrowing things that happened to a lot of kids in 29 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: the system. I can say I met a lot of 30 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: monsters under human skin and was both birth and adopted 31 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: by some pretty hernous sociopaths. Perhaps you could even discuss 32 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: narcissistic personality disorder, a very specific kind of sociopathy. Anyways, 33 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: we love your show, Keep up the fantastic work. Wow okay, 34 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: Um obviously, thank you for the kind words, Thank you 35 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: for that, thank you for listening, and for sending us 36 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 1: this idea of discussing the foster care system specifically within 37 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: the United States. But I'm sure examining that system in 38 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 1: any country you would find some stuff that they don't 39 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 1: want you to know. Um. You mentioned specifically something called 40 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: narcissistic personality disorder, which is something you can find in 41 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: statistic manuals that are used by psychiatrists and psychologists across 42 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: the globe. And I guess we can just start there, maybe, 43 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: Like what does that mean? Uh, this term that you mentioned, Um, 44 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: we have talked about psychopathy and sociopathies, sociopathy, Uh, we've 45 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: we've talked about these things before on this show numerous times, 46 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: but this one I don't think we've actually covered. So 47 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: let's just go to the Mayo Clinic just to tell 48 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: you what they say at least. Um, they describe it 49 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: as one of several types of personality disorders. It's a 50 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of 51 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, 52 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others. But 53 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: behind this mask of extreme confidence lies of fragile self 54 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism. And uh, I 55 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: would I would add a couple of things there. Uh, 56 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: that's a great starting definition. I would add that for 57 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: people with mp D, relationships are all transactional, so something 58 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: you don't really regard other people as a person. They 59 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: don't have like they wouldn't have the right to exist 60 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: as a person. You're the person in the world, and 61 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: the idea that a friendship might exist is really defined 62 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: by what they can do for that person, what transaction 63 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: they can accomplish for that person with mp d UH. 64 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: And also the idea of fragility of self image ties 65 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: into pretty often an overinflated sense of vengeance. Like if 66 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: you even if a narcissist is dead in the wrong 67 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: and you point out if they feel like they lose 68 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: face as is sometimes said culturally, uh, then there will 69 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: be a lot of energy put toward somehow quote unquote 70 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: punishing the person who had the audacity to be right 71 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: or point out whatever terrible thing the mp d UH 72 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: individual was having was doing. Um. There there is one 73 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: thing I want to point out here on mp d 74 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: S specifically, a lot of times there are children raised 75 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: by parents with this condition who you know, the strangest 76 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: things seem normal, right even when you're an adult, The 77 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: most beautiful and most terrible things become normalized so quickly. 78 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: When you're a child, you often don't have the wherewithal 79 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: to realize that the way you are being raised is 80 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: maybe not a healthy way, right it's maybe not a 81 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: way that you yourself would want to raise a child. 82 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: And you know, it's only years later that people come 83 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: come to find as adults that what was happening to 84 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: them was not right and it was not it was 85 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: not good for you. So I'd like to recommend just 86 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: at the top a resource, uh a subreddit actually where 87 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: you can share your stories is called raised by Narcissists. 88 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,559 Speaker 1: So go to reddit dot com slash r slash Raised 89 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: by Narcissists and you can find and share your stories. Now, 90 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: please do not mistake that for medical advice, and please 91 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: don't you know, presume to give people medical advice if 92 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: you're not a doctor. But I think when you can 93 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: feel so alone in the world, and especially if you're 94 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: living with a seven mp D, then it can be 95 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: helpful to know that you are indeed not alone in 96 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: one sense or another. Thank you for doing that, Ben, 97 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: and for providing that. Um. One of the most important 98 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: parts of this is that each of us, no matter 99 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: who you are, where you grew up, what those circumstances were, 100 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: those circumstances were unique to your experience. Right, There's not 101 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: a single other person that went through whatever it is 102 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: that you went through positive or negative as a child, UM, 103 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: and now whatever you're going through right now, nobody is 104 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: exactly like you. UM. But those commonalities that bring us 105 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: two together I think are sometimes the most important because, 106 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: like you said, if you can find a subredit of 107 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: of people have been through something similar, then you can 108 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: actually share with that. That is a great way to 109 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: to move forward if you're if you're struggling with something. 110 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: It's kind of weird. I guess that we started talking 111 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: about this disorder because really what we're talking about is 112 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: who within the US and the foster care system is 113 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: eligible to taking a child for the system to say, yes, 114 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: you are, we trust you in some way or at 115 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: some level to take care of a child in all 116 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: things feeding, clothing, housing, Uh, you know, caring, caring for 117 00:07:55,760 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: a child's emotional needs, which is maybe something that um, 118 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: I don't want to say it gets overlooked because if 119 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: you think about it this way, to have the number 120 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: of children that enter the foster care system within the 121 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: United States every year, uh, there have to be an 122 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: overwhelming number of good people who are trying to do 123 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: good in what in what they're doing to take care 124 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: of children. They're just has to be. I'm saying that 125 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: as as an opinion, just because to have in two 126 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: thousand seven to two two hundred and seventy six children 127 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: entering the foster care system and then having that number 128 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: wavering between two hundred and ninety thousand two. The lowest 129 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 1: number was in two thousand twelve, when two thousand three 130 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: d fifty two children were entered into foster care within 131 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: the United States. I mean, if you if you didn't 132 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: have good people to a large arge extent taking care 133 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 1: of these children, then I feel like you would see 134 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: a very different general picture. Maybe And maybe I'm completely 135 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: wrong because I'm I'm so far removed from and I 136 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: just don't know yet. We haven't delved into the statistics 137 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: and enough personal experiences yet. UM, but I would just 138 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: say to take on a child that is not yours, 139 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: to raise that child and take care of them is 140 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: a massive undertaking. And um, I don't know. I I 141 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: want to give props to parents out to foster parents 142 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: out there who are doing good and know they're doing good. Well, 143 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: I can go I can completely uh speak to that. 144 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: My um, my ex wife's sister UM was a foster 145 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: and her husband were a foster family. And they adopted 146 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: almost every single kid they took in as foster kids, 147 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: so they now have this massive extended family. And they 148 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: adopted three siblings who all, you know, we're separated under 149 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: the foster care system initially, and then she you know, 150 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: fought dreed them all together and then adopted them. So 151 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 1: that's a success story, I would say. And there's obviously 152 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: a big butt here, that's why we're leading with this 153 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: right well, I mean there is a big butt because, 154 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: like our caller, there are so many reports of awful 155 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: experiences within the system. And that doesn't mean you know, 156 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: an individual parent adopting or parents like that like your example, 157 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: noal adopting. Sometimes it's just part of the system where 158 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: so many children get adopted under one roof the way 159 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: we saw with the floora de least occult, and in 160 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: other places, um you know, other instances there. There's all 161 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: kinds of abuse that can occur, whether whether it is 162 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: making use of the money that is afforded to a 163 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: family when they foster a child, the breaks that you 164 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: can get on your taxes and all these other things. 165 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: There are ways to abuse the system. And as we've 166 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: also seen throughout the history of this show. There's a 167 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: cavalcry of ways to abuse a child with whom you 168 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: are you are given guardianship, it's you know, I don't. 169 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't even know what else to say. 170 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: I haven't, I haven't done enough looking into this. There's 171 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: a frontline piece from PBS looking at the child welfare 172 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: system back in the nineties and it was really focused 173 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: on it, and it painted a pretty grim picture of 174 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 1: what was going on. Yeah, they're the statistics are troubling, 175 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: and even just the cursory statistics proved that there are 176 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: serious systemic problems with the foster care system. I have. 177 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: I have a little bit of personal experience, but more 178 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: second hand. I knew a lot of foster kids growing 179 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: up and in my times traveling around. So we The 180 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: thing is, we cannot speak to the foster system in 181 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: other countries. We can speak a little bit in the 182 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: US because there's a lot of research that's been done. 183 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 1: John Hopkins found that children in foster care are four 184 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: times more likely to be abused sexually than pure child 185 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: in a non foster care setting. Children in group homes 186 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: or eight times more likely to encounter abuse. We also 187 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 1: know that researchers in New Jersey concluded no assurances can 188 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: be given that any foster child in the state is safe. 189 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: More than half of them of the trafficking victims that 190 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: we're children that were recovered through FBI raids in we're 191 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: from foster care or group homes. And there's there's an 192 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: entire world. I mean, you can say this about so 193 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: many things, but there's an entire world that most people 194 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: will not know about here unless we have direct impact 195 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: with it, or unless we know someone somehow, And we 196 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: have to be very careful. And I appreciate that you're 197 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: doing this, Matt, not to paint with a broad brush. 198 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: We're not talking about these families. We're talking about a 199 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: system that needs to that needs to do it's best 200 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: for some of the most vulnerable parts of the US population. 201 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: I mean, think about short stays alone, right. A short 202 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: stay is where a child is removed from their home 203 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: due to what authorities would consider a credible fear for 204 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: their safety, but then returned within days. So think about that. 205 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: If you're five years old, you think you've been kidnapped, right, 206 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: no matter what those people say, you've been kidnapped and 207 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 1: somehow returned. That's pretty traumatic for a kid to experience 208 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: and even when these these agencies have their best intentions, right, 209 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: they're not they're not really kidney happing kids. They're trying 210 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: to keep kids in a safe place. But the damage 211 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: is done. And with with foster with foster care, I 212 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: think it's the right thing to do for us to 213 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: do an episode on this. Absolutely. I'm going to consult 214 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: with my wife, who is a school psychologist who deals 215 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: with with the children who often have emotional or behavioral 216 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: issues prior to being placed into a foster care system 217 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: where they are then living in you know, in extremely 218 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: close contact with numerous generally this is generally speaking, but 219 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: numerous other children who also have emotional behavioral disorders. And 220 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: when when you when you create an ecosystem like that, 221 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: a lot of times it's not even the foster parents 222 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: or the people running whatever the foster home is that 223 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: are doing the abusing because it's UM. Again, it's just 224 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: it's it's UM. So much of our behavior as humans 225 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: is learned, and it's We're going to get into some serious, 226 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: really seriously dark topics when we do this episode, and 227 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: I hope you'll come with us, but also, you know, 228 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: hopefully we can maintain at least that sense that there 229 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: could be a positive way through. Yeah, no, for sure, 230 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: But I think I think what you what you what 231 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: you're pointing to, Matt, is just the vulnerability of children 232 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: in foster care. They're very vulnerable to things like trafficking, 233 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: like human trafficking because of their unstable upbringing, often that 234 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: they can be easy prey. Not to say that the 235 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: foster parents themselves are doing this at all, It's just 236 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: could be, um, they run away or they are putting 237 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: themselves in risky situations and maybe they're targeted in that way. 238 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: But there's certainly other aspects to it as well. Yeah, 239 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many issues. I guess what I 240 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: was just getting at, KNOWLD is just saying that someone 241 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: entering and it's so hard to generalize like this because 242 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: every single person has had a different experience in the 243 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: foster care system. It's just stories that I've heard come 244 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: through that sometimes it is the kids themselves who, because 245 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: of what they have experienced, reflect some of the emotional, mental, 246 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: physical abuse on their surroundings no matter what their surroundings are, 247 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: and when their surroundings are other kids who are also vulnerable, 248 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: it's just becomes really messed up cycle. I'm not going 249 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: to cry talking about this, but there's so many really 250 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: heart wrenching stories that have come out of UH, the 251 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: foster care system, specifically in Atlanta. My God, children who 252 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: have been brought up in abuse UH such the physical 253 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: violence as a primary means of communication, and then find 254 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: themselves in a group home attempting to communicate. I believe 255 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: that we as a species do not fully understand the 256 00:16:53,880 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: long lasting impacts that early childhood education and make. And 257 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: and one of the misconceptions about early childhood education is 258 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 1: the idea that it starts at kindergarten in a school 259 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: with a licensed professional. Early childhood education is everything that 260 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: happens to a child in their early childhood. It is 261 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: all in education. Children are very very smart and absorb information. 262 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: When we talk about education, I mean, look at look 263 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: at the long lasting, UH disturbing trends with um likelihood 264 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: of dropping out of high school. You know what I mean. Again, 265 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 1: it's not because these children are any different. There's certainly 266 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: not any worse than any other kid out there. It's 267 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: it's a matter of the opportunities given or withheld. And 268 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: this is something that that I hope fellow listeners. I 269 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: hope you understand that we take this very seriously because 270 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 1: people's lives are are on the line, and we have 271 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: on in the past. We've done some some work with 272 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: activists who are looking at the juvenile criminal system, right, 273 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: We've done some We've done some work about the assimilation 274 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: attempts that countries like Australia, Canada and the US um 275 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: instigated upon native populations. Again, you know, we're at least 276 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: I'm taking pains to say that the idea that you 277 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: would rescue and adopt as your own child, uh, a kid, right, 278 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 1: just a kid who needed help. That is a beautiful, noble, 279 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: amazing thing. And it's something that I think is is 280 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 1: very human and to be commended. But the problems with 281 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: the system often come about because of underfunding, because of 282 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: a lack of oversight, and because in some cases these 283 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: caretakers have ulterior motives or they have bad motivations, and 284 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: the system that is meant to monitor that is often 285 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: woefully overcrowded, right, and underfunded. It always seems like the 286 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: good guys are out number, you know, to put it 287 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: in very simplistic terms, but you're right, we should do 288 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: an episode on that and We want to hear your 289 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: stories if you're comfortable sharing them, absolutely please. Our number 290 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: is one eight three three std w y t K. 291 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: Our email is Conspiracy at I Heart radio dot com. 292 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: Please reach out. Um okay, and with that, we're going 293 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: to hear a word from our sponsor and we'll be 294 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: right back with another message from you. And we're back 295 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: with more listener mail. This one comes from Jason and 296 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: he listened to our Bronze Age episode and had a 297 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 1: little bit of interesting context to have And this is 298 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: what what Jason says. Hey, guys, a big fan of 299 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: the show. You just wanted to point out a huge 300 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: historical factor that you didn't cover in your Bronze Age episode. 301 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: The biblical judge Joshua. He was the first Israelite to 302 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: lead the charge of his people into the Promised Land 303 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: and was given instruction to utterly destroy all the cities 304 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: they came into contact with. Burning was commonplace, and they 305 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 1: took over a vast majority of the territory within the 306 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: span of Joshua's life. Um. He goes on to reference 307 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 1: the Sea People's The famous Sea People's also sound an 308 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: awful lot like the Philistines who happened to be one 309 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: of Israel's longest standing and most pain in the side 310 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 1: uh enemies. And guess what. The Philistines were huge purveyors 311 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: of iron. They were feared for their pension for slave trading, pillaging, 312 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: and brutality. Whether or not y'all believe in the Bible, 313 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: there are historical records in its pages that aptly described 314 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: I have a lot of mysteries. Thanks for doing the show. 315 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: Really enjoy the work and due diligence you give to 316 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:12,959 Speaker 1: each episode. Yeah, really very much. So, Ben, can we 317 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: point out that he signed that Jason, you signed this, Taters, 318 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: he signed he did sign a Taters. Do you know 319 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: it was below the fold that I almost missed that entirely. Um. 320 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: That's great, So thanks Taters for that. Um. And it's 321 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: and it's and it's a good point. It's something that 322 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: we that I know you came across in your research 323 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: for this, Ben Um, and you pointed out a really 324 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 1: great article from Newsweek that made a similar connection between 325 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: the Philistines and the sea People's. Yeah, yeah, that's right. 326 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: This is something. This is a little bit of a 327 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: peat behind the curtain when we're working on our core episodes, 328 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:56,959 Speaker 1: especially very big topics like the Bronze Age collapse. Um, 329 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 1: there are things that we do such that we can 330 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: provide hopefully in an introduction to a concept with with 331 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: some dives in there, but more more something that illuminates 332 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:13,239 Speaker 1: a path for your own research and your you know, 333 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: we want you to find the papers for yourself as well. 334 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: We want you to dig into the weird corners and 335 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: get back to us. Uh. One thing I think we 336 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: do mention there, which you you picked up Taters, is 337 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: that I'm gonna just get concentators please, is that there 338 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: is a there's a mystery still afoot in about the 339 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: identity of these folks collectively known as the Sea People's, 340 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: and this mystery is still being solved. No, we were 341 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: talking off air a little bit about this concept that 342 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: DNA research will perhaps help us figure out the ultimate 343 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 1: identity of the See People's. But it goes to that 344 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: bigger question which I love that you you brought here, Nolan, 345 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: and I love that that you wrote about here Jason, 346 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: which is to what degree are biblical events confirmed by uh, 347 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: the historical the secular historical record. And that is that's 348 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: a tricky thing. So I'm gonna be honest when we 349 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: were working on our Bronze Age collapse uh research. We 350 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: we talked maybe a little bit about some of that, 351 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: but it's almost its own episode, right, like was there 352 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: a biblical flood? It's on that level, you know it is. 353 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: And it's also a little you know, not that we 354 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: uh fear to step on toes too often if we're 355 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: doing our due diligence. But you're right then to just 356 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: have it as a footnote in this is almost doing 357 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: it a disservice, because honestly, you're right. Uh, the idea 358 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: of where do the historical records line up with the 359 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: course of events depicted in the Bible, that in and 360 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: of itself big picture is a is an episode, if 361 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: not a series of episodes. But the Newsweek article points 362 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: to the potential identity of these so called sea people, 363 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,719 Speaker 1: who were this group that was potentially responsible for this 364 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: massive cultural shift in that part of the country. And 365 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 1: they were, of course given their their name a seafaring 366 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: folk um. And they were in fact, as as as 367 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 1: mentioned in the email, very active in uh conquering and 368 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: pillaging and kind of sweeping through the land like a plague, 369 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: attacking places like Canaan. The Biblical land of Canaan, but 370 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: which is a real place Syria and Egypt as well, 371 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 1: And when you're dealing exclusively with artifacts, it makes it 372 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: a lot harder to really figure out who an entire 373 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: race of people that that maybe are no longer around were. Uh, 374 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: it's it's it's difficult to do that kind of detective 375 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 1: work using only digs and excavating, you know, certain artifacts. 376 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: But um, now that we're able to essentially analyze ancient DNA, 377 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: it becomes a little easier to sort of narrow down 378 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: the possibilities, right. Uh, yeah, the technology has advanced quite 379 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,719 Speaker 1: a bit, although you do have to find a source 380 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: of DNA to do any kind of you know, uh, 381 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: full forensic looking or full forensics on that DNA. Right, 382 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: you can't just take bones that are fossilized or too old. 383 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 1: But there there are instances now where you can get 384 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: a better sample of DNA from an older body. Let's say, 385 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: in the case that we're talking about specifically here, there 386 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 1: were ten individuals that were recovered near the ports city 387 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: of Ashkelon, which is a really interesting place Biblically speaking, 388 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: it was a Philistine city and they're really trying to 389 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 1: understand these Uh, scientists, researchers who are taking a look 390 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: at this, doing the the digs there and looking at 391 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: the body, these the skeletal remains that are there. Um, 392 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: they're really trying to figure out the origins of these 393 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: ten individuals that were found, right, and this was from 394 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. They are they've been publishing findings in Science Advances, 395 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: and they're saying that the people that they found, these 396 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: ten individuals date back probably three thousand five years ago, 397 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: really interesting stuff, and they appear to be very different 398 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: from most of the individuals who lived there at the time. 399 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: So that's why we're that's why the researchers are thinking 400 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: perhaps this was a migratory people or a specific you know, 401 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: group of people that migrated at some point to Ashkelon 402 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 1: and to this area. Um. Yeah, they're saying that it 403 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: that it really does appear to fit with the estimated 404 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: time of the philistines arrival to this area at least, 405 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: you know, again when we're talking about the the differing 406 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: records that exist out there, that's right. And this uh, 407 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,239 Speaker 1: this study came out of the Max Planck Institute for 408 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: the Science of Human History and was headed up by 409 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: Michael Feldman, who said, quote, um, some interpretations of ancient 410 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: textas suggested that the Philistines were one of the groups 411 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: that comprised the Sea People's and that's the same thing 412 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: that Jason mentioned in his email. Uh. He goes on 413 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: to say, our genetic results could fit with this hypothesisms. 414 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: We detect a movement of people that crossed the Mediterranean 415 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: reached Ashkelon in the relevant time period around the twelfth 416 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: century BC. However, from the genetics, we cannot determine whether 417 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: these ancestors of the Philistines that migrated to Ashkelon were 418 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: indeed part of the Sea people or not. So it's 419 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's vague. It points to this could fit, 420 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: but the jury is somewhat still out. UM. But I 421 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: did see another article, uh that similarly speaks to the 422 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 1: idea of historical record um agreeing with or disagreeing with 423 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: events in the Bible. And this comes from a site 424 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,959 Speaker 1: called Herrets. Forgive me if I'm mispronouncing that it is 425 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: a an Israeli news site, and it's it's true. I 426 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: mean this. This does figure into that thing that we 427 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: talked about at the top of the segment about how 428 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: sometimes disputes between the historical record, um, you know, in 429 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: terms of artifacts and DNA and things like that can 430 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: conflict with the record that's in the Bible, and that 431 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: can be very divisive, and UM, we're not gonna get 432 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: into it today, but I do recommend checking out another 433 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 1: article about archaeologists looking to find signs of Joshua's conquest, 434 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: which is mentioned in in our listener email as well 435 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: in the last unexplored Biblical city, a city known as 436 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: Tell Shamron. And you can check out that article that 437 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: goes much more into Joshua's conquest um and the kind 438 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: of burning through um enemy civilizations that was mentioned in 439 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: in the email. You can go find that yourself on 440 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: the website uh herrats dot com h A A R 441 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: E t z dot com and look for this article 442 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: by Arial David from And with that, I think we'll 443 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: take a quick break and then come back at you 444 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: with one more listener mail. And we're back with one 445 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: more piece of listener mail. Buffy has written to us. 446 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: Buffy L. You said, I would love to hear your 447 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: take on lime disease and if infected ticks truly could 448 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:39,719 Speaker 1: be created by our government at Plumb Island right by Lime, Connecticut. Buffy, 449 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: you added, I just read Bitten So crazy. Also watch 450 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: Lime Crime. The disease, diagnosis, treatment, everything involved is so 451 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: incredibly controversial. Everybody's getting diagnosed, it seems, and no one 452 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: knows what to believe. Thanks for your consideration, Buffy, Thank 453 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: you so much for writing to us. This is something 454 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: that Doc and Matt Nolan myself talked about a little 455 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: bit off air, because you see, there is a there 456 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: is a fault of conspiratorial belief here, the idea that 457 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: lime disease was not something discovered in the wild or 458 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: evolved in the wild, but instead something created and then 459 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: either through design or by incompetence, let out into the 460 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: world at large. Guys, I had asked, I had asked 461 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: you both a little bit off air if you had 462 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: known anyone with lyme disease, or if you had ever 463 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: heard of the conspiratorial stuff. No cheating, Matt, because I 464 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: know you heard this one years ago, right. Well, yeah, 465 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: we've we've had people writing to us about lyme disease 466 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: for a while. Um and we've mentioned Plumb Island before, 467 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: which I know is something uh that always crops up there, 468 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: as it did in that in that message Um, it's 469 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: it's weird because this is one of those topics that 470 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: makes you wonder if you're going down a conspiracy rabbit 471 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: hole and giving into conspiracy thinking. Lime disease, I would say, 472 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: is one of these gateway topics that you know, maybe 473 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: someone encounters because someone has contracted lime disease. It isn't 474 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: an astounding number of Americans that contract lime disease every year, 475 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands. Yeah, that's correct. I believe it's something 476 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: like lime disease is the most common disease spread by 477 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: any ticks in the northern hemisphere. It affects some three 478 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: hundred thousand people in the US alone, so not counting Canada, 479 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: not counting Mexico, just the U s a year. Yeah. Yeah, 480 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: that's an estimation that and we have to be careful 481 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: with effects. But that's according to the New England Journal 482 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: of Medicine from uh wow wow. Yeah. So I guess 483 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying is a lot of people become 484 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: aware of lime disease what it is, and then directly 485 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: connect connected to it. I think is the question of 486 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: whether or not the US government had anything to do 487 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: with creating a biological weapon. So weird because you know, 488 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: I grew up in the outdoors a lot, and I 489 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: always knew about ticks, and I knew a little bit 490 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: about lime disease, but I had never heard that it 491 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: was something manufactured. It was just for you know, when 492 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: you're a kid. One of the weirdest things about ticks 493 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: is they love the warm, dark places of the bodies, 494 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: so you have to watch out for, you know, your 495 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: crotch and your armpits in the back of your knees. 496 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: And I think, I think I, like a lot of kids, 497 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: was just rightly terrified of the idea of one day 498 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: stripping down to your skivvies and seeing a tick attached 499 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: to your unmentionables. You know, you guys have had ticks before, right, ever, 500 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: like a tick attached to you somewhere. Oh yeah, yeah, okay, okay, 501 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I certain I've had my fair share, 502 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: but attachments, um, And it's not a it's not a 503 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: nice thing to just you know, the right way to 504 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: get them off, right, yeah, fire right, and kind of 505 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: turn it and then you have to light it on. 506 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: Oh man, it's a whole thing. And it's fine when 507 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: it's on your arm. It's okay to do that, but 508 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: when it's like in a sensitive area, that's a real 509 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: rite of passage, you know what I mean? Because I was, 510 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: without giving away too much information, I was one of 511 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: the people who always thought, I am going to do 512 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: this on my own. This is this is a dark tunnel, 513 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: I will travel through alone. Uh. But it turns out, Buffy, 514 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: that quite a few people leave that lime disease was 515 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: perhaps produced by Plumb Island were produced on Plumb Island. 516 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: So many people in fact, that in July the U. S. 517 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: House of Representatives voted successfully to order the Department of 518 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: Defense to investigate whether the Pentagon had ever developed ticks 519 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:29,240 Speaker 1: as biological weapons. And the implication there is that the 520 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: Pentagon would have to disclose that information, which they totally 521 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't tell you. If they did that, they would have 522 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: to disclose that information and then would also have to 523 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: disclose whether any of those little critters escaped to cause 524 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: the national lime disease epidemic. And six thousand people, just 525 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: for the record, does qualify as an epidemic? When you say, yeah, 526 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 1: I think so. The weird thing to me is that 527 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: it was a question whether or not whether or not 528 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: they were manufacturing ticks rather in some kind of disease, 529 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,399 Speaker 1: or I guess you would be manufacturing ticks because you'd 530 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: be fostering a disease through a population. I don't know, 531 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: it's just I think it's weird to think about it 532 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: in that way, like a factory where ticks are being made. 533 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,800 Speaker 1: That's a really good point. Yeah, that's like blaming rats 534 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 1: for the plague, right, rat carriers, but they're not the 535 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,240 Speaker 1: plague itself. Yeah. Lime disease is caused by a bacterium 536 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: Borellia bacterium, and the most common side of this is 537 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: red rash. Now again, earlier when we're talking about this 538 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 1: off air, Uh, I think several of us had assumed 539 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: that I was told at times a lime disease is incurable. 540 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: Luckily that turns out not to be the case. The 541 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,399 Speaker 1: vast majority of it can be treated with antibiotics, which 542 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: is great news for anybody stuck out in the woods. Uh. 543 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: But the Plumb Island thing is so fast snating because 544 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: it is relatively rare for a conspiratorial belief to garner 545 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:13,280 Speaker 1: so much momentum that it is addressed in the halls 546 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: of Congress. You know what I mean? When you think 547 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: about it, This puts lime disease up there with nine 548 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: eleven and JFK in terms of that government response. Uh So, 549 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: we have some good or bad news, depending whether you 550 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: believe the official story. Apparently, per a Coming School professor 551 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: named Sam Telford, a leading expert on infection spread by 552 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: mosquitoes as well as ticks, this conspiracy theory is wrong 553 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: and it's been soundly debunked by the work that Professor 554 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: Telford says he did with one David Percy in the 555 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: early nineteen nineties, which is interesting because that's uh, I 556 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 1: keep forgetting that the nineties was what thirty years ago 557 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: by now. So and their studies. They did multiple studies. 558 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 1: One was published in Science, one was published in the 559 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:10,320 Speaker 1: Journal of Infectious Diseases. Uh. They tested specimens of white 560 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,359 Speaker 1: footed mice and deer ticks to see if they had 561 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: DNA evidence of being infected with the bacterium responsible for 562 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: lime disease. And what they found was a timeline problem 563 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: with the theory. Ticks that were collected in ninety from 564 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: the east side of Long Island and mice that were 565 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,800 Speaker 1: collected in eight four in Cape cod were both found 566 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: to be infected with this bacterium, which means that this 567 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: thing that causes lyme disease already existed before the time 568 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 1: period um that the conspiracy centers on. So the the 569 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: predecessor Diplum Island was a thing called Fort Terry that 570 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 1: was made by the Army chemical Core uh In and 571 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: it wasn't even around until like activated until nineteen. So 572 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:13,439 Speaker 1: the scary thing about lime disease in this regard is that, uh, 573 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 1: lime disease was already in the wild. We just learned 574 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 1: more about it over time. And of course that is 575 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 1: we should add the caffeat the little asterisk about the 576 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: size of some ticks on your printed page that says, 577 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: if you believe the official story. But what do you 578 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 1: guys takes on this? Well, you know it's funny, you 579 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,399 Speaker 1: should ask. I have a quick take, um, And then 580 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: a quick, very very brief pivot slightly away from this 581 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: topic to something very quick that I wanted to bring 582 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: up the this thinking about this brought me back to 583 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 1: uh and then let me uh let the kind of 584 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 1: the bag you're gon be too mysterious. UM. I first 585 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 1: heard of lime disease from the real world Seattle. Um, 586 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: there's a character and I say, character. And again I'm 587 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,279 Speaker 1: talking about this because interesting crossover between our between this 588 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: topic and our episode about reality TV, which which you 589 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: can listen to now. Um. But yeah, Irene, I had 590 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: to correct myself from calling her a character. Uh. This 591 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 1: person that was on the Real World Seattle had lyme 592 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: disease and there was a big kerfuffle at the end 593 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,720 Speaker 1: of that season UM that many folks don might not remember, 594 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: but I do, just because I remember her having lyme 595 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 1: disease and the way the producers sort of used that 596 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:34,279 Speaker 1: as an explanation for her leaving the show, and there 597 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 1: was almost some kind of gas lighting behavior that went 598 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: into her depiction as sort of a crazy person who 599 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 1: was addled by lyme disease and caused to become delusional 600 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: because of this condition. And there's actually an interesting op 601 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 1: ed on Vulture where Irene talks about this and talks 602 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,839 Speaker 1: about the nature of reality television. And there was an 603 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: event when she left the show where someone who she 604 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 1: had been feuding with, a man by the name of Stephen, 605 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: actually slaps her in the face. Um runs out to 606 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,320 Speaker 1: her car as she's leaving, Um throws her bunny rabbit 607 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 1: like stuffed animal that she left behind in the in 608 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: the water over this bridge and then opens the car 609 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,279 Speaker 1: door and slaps her in the face. And Um, she 610 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 1: just talks about in this op ed a how she 611 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: was kind of demonized through editing and also, I mean 612 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 1: she was a difficult person on the show. I do 613 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 1: remember that. But also the lime disease angle that was 614 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: used as sort of a weapon to indicate that she 615 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 1: was somehow, um, not in her right mind because of 616 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,880 Speaker 1: the progression of this condition, which she says in this 617 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 1: culture piece is a disservice to people with lime disease, 618 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 1: that that it's not a thing, and that she really, 619 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,880 Speaker 1: looking back on it now, was unfair the way she 620 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 1: was treated an unfair to people with lime disease. Um. 621 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 1: And when she saw these episodes, she the way they 622 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: did it back then, Um, the cast members were sent 623 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,960 Speaker 1: VHS copies of these episodes like that they would receive 624 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 1: maybe a day before the real thing aired on television, 625 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 1: and she didn't think they would air this part or 626 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: put it in this context, and she was blown away 627 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: to find out that they did. And she just talks 628 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: about reality television. Is this is quoting from from the 629 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: pieces has changed so much since I was on the 630 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 1: real world today, there's no end of the pain we 631 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 1: now witness on reality TV. Cast members don't have to 632 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 1: be goaded by producers to fight physically and emotionally. These 633 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,240 Speaker 1: wanna be stars go in knowing that regular screaming, feuding 634 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 1: and hair pulling is expected of them, and they want 635 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,360 Speaker 1: to deliver in order to get airtime. Um So sorry 636 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,560 Speaker 1: the weird pivot, I know, but I think interesting with 637 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 1: the line disease angle the way was portrayed, and also 638 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,800 Speaker 1: a call back to what we've just very much discussed 639 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 1: on our reality TV episode. Yeah, it seems like a 640 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:50,319 Speaker 1: good example of Frank inviting and retroactively redefining reality. Yeah. 641 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 1: I was thinking a little bit too about narcissistic uh 642 00:41:54,560 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 1: influences and producers, right and gaslighting. They're very there's a 643 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 1: dark triumvit. They're not the one you're thinking of. That's 644 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 1: a different story for a different episode. But let's end 645 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,879 Speaker 1: this on something positive and actionable for people who want 646 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,400 Speaker 1: to avoid lyme disease. Just in case you need to 647 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 1: hear these again. It's always helpful if you're going out 648 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 1: and camping and now this is lovely camping weather time. 649 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,240 Speaker 1: Cover up long pants, especially if you're in tall grass 650 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 1: insect repellent, find one that works for you. Always check 651 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,879 Speaker 1: your clothing yourself, and if you have pets, check them too. 652 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 1: They'll appreciate the attention because you know you're just scratching them. 653 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 1: Check your children. Of course, do not assume that you 654 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: are immune. And if you do get a tick, safely 655 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: remove it as soon as possible. Uh. And do not 656 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 1: mail it to Plumb Islands. I'm sure someone has. I'm 657 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,759 Speaker 1: sure they don't want to get that mail. It might 658 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,360 Speaker 1: be crime, I don't know. And maybe avoid walking in 659 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,400 Speaker 1: tall grass wearing shorts, you know, just a word to 660 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,759 Speaker 1: the wise. Yep, yep, as I said, like where long 661 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,720 Speaker 1: pants and tall grass even if it's hot, long sleeves 662 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:11,719 Speaker 1: as well. Uh. Thank you so much, Taters, Thank you 663 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:16,720 Speaker 1: so much, Buffy. 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