Speaker 1: All right, I'm like, look, how do I start the show.
Speaker 1: I'm all excited because I'm like, wait, hey, hey, hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: y hey, hey hey, we're back.
Speaker 2: We're black, we're.
Speaker 3: Ambition at this ambition and ambition.
Speaker 1: And first of all, Mandy is usual her breastprope and
Speaker 1: I've been.
Speaker 3: Looking for this freaking attachment and it's been my bottle
Speaker 3: has been down here the whole time, in the basement.
Speaker 2: Your bag, Mandy. I'm like, she's bad. If you believe
Speaker 2: a rock child, Mandy had a whole human I did.
Speaker 3: Oh, and he's perfect, and I really, I'm really annoying
Speaker 3: about it this time. It's the best. It's so good,
Speaker 3: so beautiful. Thank you. Yeah, he's upstairs with husby right now.
Speaker 3: Husband's going back to working, Like, what's set? What's six
Speaker 3: plus eight two weeks? Okay, So I'm trying to enjoy.
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, I'm gonna go here, I'm gonna go there.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to enjoy the last bit of you know,
Speaker 3: co parenting that I get during the day. But it's
Speaker 3: been such a good it's been such a fast two months.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you get a toddler in the mix, they
Speaker 3: don't let you slow down. It's like it has been
Speaker 3: fast and furious every day since since Remy joined us.
Speaker 3: But yeah, thanks for.
Speaker 1: Now. They're both on my fridge and real really, I'm
Speaker 1: one of those aunties that have all the babies on
Speaker 1: their phrase And then Roman and Miller was like, who's that.
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's Remy listen.
Speaker 3: Coming for y'all's inheritance.
Speaker 2: Okay, no, he'll be good.
Speaker 3: Don't worry me me. You're still number one. We know
Speaker 3: who the queen is. Oh man. Yeah, the last time I, well,
Speaker 3: i've seen Have I seen you was the one we
Speaker 3: were supposed to anyway, I've talked to you for sure,
Speaker 3: but the last time, yeah, I remember counting down. I
Speaker 3: was like, am I going to get to go to
Speaker 3: the Webbies? Or is this baby coming? And then of
Speaker 3: course all that stress for nothing he didn't come. We
Speaker 3: did go to the Webbies. It was very fun. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it was super fun to get dressed up and have
Speaker 3: that night out. And then Homeboy was like, and now
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make you wait, So he waited like another
Speaker 3: ten eleven days. But yeah, it was it was. It
Speaker 3: was great and I feel like the past I don't
Speaker 3: know the past three years of really like working on
Speaker 3: you know, my mental health and just I had. I
Speaker 3: was a whole different person when I had my first son,
Speaker 3: like worth working nine to five, was managing a big team,
Speaker 3: it was the pandemic. It's just really wild to reflect
Speaker 3: and to see how different I am today, cause I
Speaker 3: don't know, I'm just having so much fun. I'm just
Speaker 3: I don't want to waste time stressing about anything. I
Speaker 3: just want to be enjoying and going with the flow.
Speaker 3: And yeah, my therapist is very happy.
Speaker 2: I know. I was like, look at man, you are
Speaker 2: so too. I love that for yeah, you are yay.
Speaker 1: Like I can feel your energy across shine, I can
Speaker 1: feel your energy from across the like yeah, because I think. No,
Speaker 1: there was the webbies before or after when you had
Speaker 1: the baby shower, and like it was like that really
Speaker 1: after Yeah it was, yes, it was okay, so.
Speaker 2: That was really pretty.
Speaker 1: That park was so pretty like the baby shower, but yeah,
Speaker 1: maydie look everybody was like, man, it looks so amazing.
Speaker 1: That would be Honestly, it was this first of all,
Speaker 1: we're so old because you're like, okay, bye and let's
Speaker 1: go home.
Speaker 3: Tiffany went for a walk and I didn't see her
Speaker 3: agatting and I was like, she'll be fine.
Speaker 2: No, I mean not not your not your baby shower.
Speaker 2: The webbies. We were like, we can't get all these.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got out dessert. We gave the waiter the heart.
Speaker 3: Do you just remember we gave those poor weights to
Speaker 3: have the hardest time. It was like, can we get
Speaker 3: the fish and see what the beef option is? Or
Speaker 3: with the chicken? I forget I.
Speaker 2: Know, He's like, well I'm not allowed to like make
Speaker 2: it happen.
Speaker 3: Look at one of each like come on. We got yeah,
Speaker 3: the dessert. Once the dessert was served, and we were like, okay,
Speaker 3: this is that We're not going to be going out
Speaker 3: to party. There was no after party for me. I
Speaker 3: was sure it was going to break anytime. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: it was. It was a nice It was a fun night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was nice. Get through right, we did.
Speaker 1: We got some pretty pictures and now we are officially
Speaker 1: Getty stamped with our cute picture.
Speaker 3: And I was ahead of the barbiecan I'm while still
Speaker 3: wearing my barbie? It looks kind of orange, but this
Speaker 3: is hot pink. There's nothing a hot pink body suit
Speaker 3: won't do to make you feel like a mother. Just
Speaker 3: call me Kiky Palmer. Baby, I'm a mother.
Speaker 2: I'm trying.
Speaker 1: I'm trying out a new red sude that I'm like,
Speaker 1: how do we feel about this red lip? Right?
Speaker 3: I love it. It's dignified, It's got a little bariness
Speaker 3: to it. It goes beautiful with your skin tone. I
Speaker 3: see you wearing with like a winter white, like the
Speaker 3: square neck.
Speaker 2: This is just a target tank, honey.
Speaker 3: But now, what have you been up to the past
Speaker 3: couple of months? Haw's it been holding it down to say.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize how much like you know, because you're
Speaker 1: such a journalist. So I'm just like interesting, I'm like,
Speaker 1: God started with me, so good. The good thing I
Speaker 1: will say is that the guests were awesome. They didn't
Speaker 1: need much coaching and many and most of them I knew.
Speaker 1: So it was like, okay, good, we could talk as
Speaker 1: like friends versus like you're a stranger.
Speaker 2: So now I don't know what to say. So like,
Speaker 2: we have our new Sewan. You know we love news.
Speaker 3: They do. She got a new book coming out?
Speaker 1: Yes, And then I think it's what is it called
Speaker 1: a healthy state of panic?
Speaker 3: Yes, a healthy state of panic? Which is like what
Speaker 3: I feel like all the time.
Speaker 1: We also had Remi on who was like the homie.
Speaker 1: He's hilarious and funny and irreverent.
Speaker 3: Are you sad I missed for me? I haven't had
Speaker 3: a chance to listen to that one yet, but I was, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see that one. I listened to that
Speaker 3: interview we did with Joy because it aired after my
Speaker 3: Matt leaves from from Sisterhood Heels, I mean from Therapy
Speaker 3: for Black Girls talking about her new book. I listened
Speaker 3: to that episode the whole way through. I don't know.
Speaker 3: It was just nice.
Speaker 1: It was so it was like, I know we honestly,
Speaker 1: we had some really good guests, but you know, nobody's
Speaker 1: like Mandy.
Speaker 3: Right, That's what I'm saying. That's what I've been trying
Speaker 3: to tell you, Like for eight years he've been doing
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 2: I'm like, they're cool. It's not Nanda.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: The best thing about like not having a nine to
Speaker 3: five thing is that I don't I know that it
Speaker 3: seems like, oh, it's only been eight weeks, why are
Speaker 3: you back at work?
Speaker 2: It's great.
Speaker 3: I love being able to do a couple of hours
Speaker 3: of work a day and feel like a person who
Speaker 3: knows things and is a like, you know, smart person
Speaker 3: and not just boob trapped and napping and all that,
Speaker 3: because I don't know. Newborns are really cute, but they're
Speaker 3: also real boring. And that was a thing that really
Speaker 3: weighed on me. Was so hard with my first Matt
Speaker 3: leave was like three months to just sit around the
Speaker 3: house and just rock in this damn chair. It was Yeah,
Speaker 3: it wasn't fun. So this time it's been. It's been
Speaker 3: really fun. I would say it probably took like a
Speaker 3: few weeks and then I was back on my slack,
Speaker 3: back on my email, doing the Mandy money Maker thing. Uh,
Speaker 3: but it feels good to I'm not doing too much,
Speaker 3: like I'm keeping it very balanced. I'm doing a couple hours.
Speaker 3: Only have like one thing each day this week that
Speaker 3: I'm focused on. And you know, I've been working on
Speaker 3: a little, a little extra project called the book. Are
Speaker 3: you texting right now? What are you doing?
Speaker 1: No? Someone just you know they be having I'm like,
Speaker 1: because Carl was like, I'm gonna bring the kids over,
Speaker 1: that's aka your babysitting.
Speaker 2: I'm like, actually, I'm tapping my podcast, like squeeze me.
Speaker 3: Carol.
Speaker 2: Well, you eat. I mean, I don't know if you'd
Speaker 2: be proud of me, but I finally got.
Speaker 1: What I just tagged you want a shady meme about
Speaker 1: enjoyed users, and guess I went.
Speaker 2: On and look look.
Speaker 3: What I'm you right now? Is it gonna be blue?
Speaker 3: Is it gonna be She has been inductrinated.
Speaker 2: Because your name is lou. Honestly, I've never I feel
Speaker 2: like I got married or something because everyone is welcoming,
Speaker 2: Oh my good, congratulating literally everyone.
Speaker 1: My neighbor texted me to say hey girl because one
Speaker 1: of my plants was like on his last leg and
Speaker 1: she came over. She was like, give me that plant
Speaker 1: and let me save it. So she was like, hey girl,
Speaker 1: just like you know, putting your plant back on your steps.
Speaker 1: It's healthy again. And she was like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: welcome to iPhone. I've never I was like, is this
Speaker 1: what happens people? Emani for our producer was like when
Speaker 1: I text her, she was like hold up. Alyssa was like,
Speaker 1: you got I phone. I'm like, this is so weird.
Speaker 3: Listen. The smartest thing they ever did was make it
Speaker 3: blue versus green, so that there was like a difference
Speaker 3: and not even a good color green, just like kind
Speaker 3: of like that's kind of bright.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they did it on purpose.
Speaker 3: Now this delightful blue videos in the group chat.
Speaker 1: Look, first of all, I'm getting like all my on
Speaker 1: my Apple Watch. Your text came up, so I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I can see it.
Speaker 3: It's bar people, but you got to silence that because
Speaker 3: it's too distracting with the watch and everything.
Speaker 1: Well, I will say I really got I got the
Speaker 1: watch because I was contemplating should I get the watch.
Speaker 2: Well, one my android I broke it.
Speaker 1: I am and like the case was like kind of
Speaker 1: falling apart, and then I had like this I was
Speaker 1: gonna go live or something like that, and it was
Speaker 1: in a holder and the holder squeezed the side so
Speaker 1: it broke and so I was like it was in
Speaker 1: that moment I said, what you're gonna do. You're gonna
Speaker 1: stay with iPhone, You're gonna stay with ANDREI or you
Speaker 1: get a mosie on overtry iPhone.
Speaker 2: I just I wasn't sure. So I went to the store.
Speaker 2: I went to at and T you know, talk to
Speaker 2: the young woman there. We had a deep conversation and
Speaker 2: she was like, I think it's time and I think
Speaker 2: it's time, I was like, I don't name was Chante.
Speaker 3: Was like she was like, just no one can say
Speaker 3: you hopped on a trend because you have very late So.
Speaker 1: I got to fourteen whatever plus whatever, girl, you know.
Speaker 1: And then a few months later, what I really do
Speaker 1: like about iPhone the fitness stuff is like, really I've
Speaker 1: been like, I mean, I'm still down my thirty pounds.
Speaker 2: See my skin is square, cheap, bone.
Speaker 1: Popping, and so I really I really like the fact that,
Speaker 1: like the fitness component. That's really why I was considering
Speaker 1: an iPhone. I watch it like whatever what is it called?
Speaker 2: I want to watch? I watch Apple just a Apple watch?
Speaker 2: Look at me?
Speaker 1: So I sow when Amazon Prime came up, I see,
Speaker 1: let me see. So I just saw an ad or
Speaker 1: something like that where it was like the watch was
Speaker 1: basically one hundred dollars off.
Speaker 2: And you know, I love a deal.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, cause I think.
Speaker 1: It's normally like four hundred dollars, Like I think it's
Speaker 1: like three ninety nine or something like that. That's what
Speaker 1: it costs on Apple. And so I was able to
Speaker 1: get it for two seventy nine. That's why I got it,
Speaker 1: cause I was like, you know what and there was
Speaker 1: like easy return, so I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: get it, keep it for like a week. If you
Speaker 1: don't like it, you can return it, and you saved
Speaker 1: your hundred dollars. So I got one hundred dollars off.
Speaker 1: I can't lie loving it.
Speaker 3: The best thing about the watch is to find my phone.
Speaker 3: You just like touch the button and then you can
Speaker 3: find your phone in the house because I don't know
Speaker 3: my phone's my gass is the Bermuda fucking triangle these days.
Speaker 1: Yes, I will say there are some weird things that
Speaker 1: I'm like that are missing. Like, for example, it's something
Speaker 1: super like like so when I set my alarm on
Speaker 1: my Android, it'll say, you know, you've set this alarm
Speaker 1: for ten hours from now, And that's really helpful because
Speaker 1: sometimes you know, you forget a m PM and you're
Speaker 1: like ten hours I meant meant to set it for
Speaker 1: two hours from now, and so like the when you
Speaker 1: set the alarm on the Android, it kind of gives
Speaker 1: you like this, like just so you know, this is
Speaker 1: how many hours from now? So I'm like, really sure
Speaker 1: I said it properly. That's something small, nuanced, but something
Speaker 1: that I'm having a hard time with. And maybe it's
Speaker 1: like my fingers is that you know, when you type
Speaker 1: something out and you might want to make an edit,
Speaker 1: like with what you typed out, I have a really
Speaker 1: hard time getting a cursor, like in between letters.
Speaker 2: Is that like it look at Mandy's it was like,
Speaker 2: is that a thing? Is that me? Or is that
Speaker 2: a thing for everybody?
Speaker 3: It's a thing for everybody.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's like you're doing my dad very quickly.
Speaker 2: No, I never had an issue with Andrew. I'm like,
Speaker 2: why can't I get there?
Speaker 3: Curser, Like I don't have that problem. You need to
Speaker 3: get acclimated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I think.
Speaker 3: Also, you're typing, just use I use audio dictate and
Speaker 3: I send things with type was in it all the time,
Speaker 3: Like you get the picture.
Speaker 1: I mean, but oh no, you know, I'm pleased with
Speaker 1: it or whatever. I do, Like, I mean, because you know,
Speaker 1: Android that camera is top tier. But honestly, I do
Speaker 1: like the iPhone camera as wam and I do like
Speaker 1: the fact that, like, you know, the first time I
Speaker 1: got air dropped, I was.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, I guess it's cute over here.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I love Yeah, air dropping is the
Speaker 3: best listen you will find more to love than to hate.
Speaker 3: And now I got to find my Apple Watch because
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it since December twenty twenty two, when
Speaker 3: I saw at the corner of my couch on the
Speaker 3: floor to the point and I had it in my
Speaker 3: head that it was been there this whole time, and
Speaker 3: like last week, Enrique, my husband, finally was like, move
Speaker 3: the couch with vacuum back there, and I was like,
Speaker 3: find my watch. He didn't find it, so Lord knows
Speaker 3: where the hell that thing is. But anyway, I'm so
Speaker 3: happy for you.
Speaker 1: We all am just walking, you know now, because you know,
Speaker 1: I've been on the computer, like you know, I love
Speaker 1: my my Mac Mike, you know. So I was like,
Speaker 1: so the fact that it's all linked together, it's cute.
Speaker 1: Although like your dad, I'm sure, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I can not figure out how to make my computer
Speaker 1: stop ringing with my phone rings, which.
Speaker 3: Is okay, now that does take yeah, yea, yeah, yea,
Speaker 3: yeah yeah. There's a do not disturb button on your
Speaker 3: computer that I would recommend, just.
Speaker 2: Because it'll be ringing. I'm like, on your phone, stop.
Speaker 3: I have my do not disturb on to too often
Speaker 3: to the point where people are like we need you
Speaker 3: can we please disturb but breakthrough breakthrough like my husband.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are the biggest, the biggest, different like up
Speaker 2: into my life.
Speaker 3: We're gonna see Beyonce this Saturday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 3: By the time you guys hear this, we will have
Speaker 3: been snatched and gotten our lives. I still don't know
Speaker 3: what I'm wearing, and uh, I probably won't because I've
Speaker 3: already given up. I'm just gonna see with the vibes.
Speaker 3: Feel like, first of all, it's going to be hot
Speaker 3: as hades and no one's there to see me, so
Speaker 3: like an, I sweat, so I'm like, and I my
Speaker 3: boobs are going to be leaking. So I'm like, I'm
Speaker 3: going to need to wear a very thick, padded bra,
Speaker 3: probably bring my milk machine, like my little like you know,
Speaker 3: hand pomp just.
Speaker 2: In case because it hurts yo.
Speaker 3: Yeah when you get like, yeah, getting heated, you know anyway,
Speaker 3: and like I just want to be comfortable. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: wear sneakers, but it's going to be a time I
Speaker 3: cannot wait. And then the next day I'm going to
Speaker 3: go see Barbie. I have a date with the friend I.
Speaker 2: Don't thinking about.
Speaker 1: I think I told myself because my sister went to
Speaker 1: go see she took herself to go see a Little
Speaker 1: Mermaid and she was like, girl, I cried, I wept,
Speaker 1: beautiful came. So I think I'm gonna take myself on
Speaker 1: a little day date to like go just do it
Speaker 1: by myself, you know, just go in the afternoon. And
Speaker 1: I like that because I'm not a big movie person,
Speaker 1: but sometimes I like to just go in the afternoon
Speaker 1: by myself and like watch a thing that's like you know,
Speaker 1: past Past It, super prime.
Speaker 3: You know, Yes, that was my favorite favorite thing to
Speaker 3: do for a long time. Let's go to movies by
Speaker 3: myself because who you are not going to talk to
Speaker 3: them anyway, and you don't have to share your snacks
Speaker 3: with anybody. And it's nice, it's nice. But I'm excited
Speaker 3: for Barbie. The Barbie marketing team. Listen, they should get
Speaker 3: all of the raises, all of the bonuses because you
Speaker 3: you got me. I want to see Ray as President
Speaker 3: Barbie and I will be will be there, but I
Speaker 3: am I need to talk to you because you know,
Speaker 3: on the other side of my having my baby, my
Speaker 3: other big goal was a book, right, and I got
Speaker 3: a book deal y'all. If you follow me on IG
Speaker 3: you know that already. But you know, I've been on
Speaker 3: this journey for a year now, a year. I started
Speaker 3: writing that book proposal a year ago, but I got
Speaker 3: a book deal. I'm writing a book with Legacy Lit,
Speaker 3: which is an imprint of Grand Central Publishing, one of
Speaker 3: the top five publishers, and I have officially like started
Speaker 3: writing the freaking book. And I thought it was going
Speaker 3: to be really intimidating, but I just feel really excited,
Speaker 3: like I'm just ready to pour everything I have into this.
Speaker 3: I want to make it so good. Do you have
Speaker 3: any advice about writing the book? I know the marketing
Speaker 3: and all that kind of work, but the writing, what
Speaker 3: was your strategy?
Speaker 1: So my strategy first, so for me the tea I
Speaker 1: always think, like with this teacher brain that like I
Speaker 1: need a template, you know, especially if I'm writing like
Speaker 1: how I don't know if your book is like how to.
Speaker 3: While it's called quite your Way, Rich. I have the
Speaker 3: book proposal, which is amazing. Yeah, Like honestly, I have
Speaker 3: sixteen thousand words already that I wrote for like sample chapters,
Speaker 3: you know, so I feel like a framework.
Speaker 2: I mean, like you know, like for me.
Speaker 1: So for example, whenever, like whenever I write anything, like
Speaker 1: any book or whatever that like, I like to be like, okay,
Speaker 1: what is my chapter chapter template?
Speaker 2: Like for one week budget, it was like a quote.
Speaker 1: The step, a story, the the you know, the how
Speaker 1: you do the thing, and then a visual of how
Speaker 1: to do the thing, and then a blank spreadsheet to
Speaker 1: do the thing. So for me, it helps because it's
Speaker 1: almost like I'm not writing this big long book each chapter.
Speaker 1: It's like a mini book. So that's how So once
Speaker 1: I figured out my template, so for a Get Good
Speaker 1: of Money, the same form Madehole, because Madehold is a
Speaker 1: workbook version of Get Go of Money. I came up
Speaker 1: with the template of plan, do review. And that's something
Speaker 1: that like I learned when teaching preschool that it was
Speaker 1: like whenever the day started, you planned with the kids, Hey,
Speaker 1: today we're going to go to the zoo. Blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. Here's how the day's going to go. And
Speaker 1: then you do the thing. You know, you live out
Speaker 1: the day and then at the end of the day
Speaker 1: with the kids. We would sit back on the carpet
Speaker 1: and say, here's what we did today. We went to
Speaker 1: the zoo, we saw the animals, and and so I said,
Speaker 1: I'm going to do that for the book. That it
Speaker 1: was like every chapter it was like kind of like
Speaker 1: planned do review. It was like, here's what you're going
Speaker 1: to learn in this chapter, do the steps, and then
Speaker 1: at the end kind of a review. And so once
Speaker 1: I kind of got that temple in my head, then
Speaker 1: I can like infuse like stories and visuals and.
Speaker 2: Whatever I wanted to add as extra.
Speaker 1: But that's what I mean about, Like for me, I
Speaker 1: always have to have some sort of formulated template.
Speaker 2: That's embedded in the thing, like for each chapter.
Speaker 1: And then you know, chapters can deviate if I need
Speaker 1: them to, but it helps me to keep from being
Speaker 1: like all over the place. So that was one two.
Speaker 1: In the beginning, I'm just like just throw everything against
Speaker 1: the wall. I'm writing all the things. Like writing without
Speaker 1: editing is super important, you know, like don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's just like word vomit just.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, and then you know, and then for
Speaker 1: me it was like I had to be I wanted
Speaker 1: to once I wrote it without editing. The first kind
Speaker 1: of major edit was am I saying the core lessons
Speaker 1: that they need to learn, you know, Like so I
Speaker 1: had to cut out some things like okay, like if
Speaker 1: I'm teaching the budgeting chapter, are these steps a budgeting?
Speaker 1: Some of these other things are extra like getting really
Speaker 1: clear about that. The last final edit was I infused Tiffany.
Speaker 1: So once I was like, this book reads very well technically,
Speaker 1: like this is how you invest, this is how you
Speaker 1: fix your this is then I went back in and
Speaker 1: was like yes, and I was like, you know, cause
Speaker 1: I was like, where's my zoom? You know, like, so
Speaker 1: I go back and be like, ooh, this is like
Speaker 1: you know, I'd read it and I would say, oh, girl,
Speaker 1: you know here you probably will crack a joke like
Speaker 1: cis drop down and get your noodle on, you know,
Speaker 1: like or like you know what I mean, So I
Speaker 1: would add I added Tiffany back in because it was
Speaker 1: hard for me anyway to do all things at once.
Speaker 1: It was like word vomit. You know, what's my template?
Speaker 1: What are the what are the core things? Like what's
Speaker 1: the actual lesson? And then not that there was no
Speaker 1: Tiffany in it, but it wasn't my you know, like
Speaker 1: I know me. There are sections where I'm like, Tiffany,
Speaker 1: if you were going to say this thing out loud,
Speaker 1: you crack this joke, so that way, when I read it,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this sounds like me. And then
Speaker 1: after that it's just you know, basic editing and editing
Speaker 1: and editing again. And one of the best things that
Speaker 1: I think it was Lovey who told me this. It
Speaker 1: was the best piece of advice. When all that is
Speaker 1: said and done, read that book out loud to yourself,
Speaker 1: because it should be sounded different. When you say out loud,
Speaker 1: you're like, what the hell am I talking about? So
Speaker 1: like not in the beginning, but once you kind of
Speaker 1: go through those steps and you're like you added Manny
Speaker 1: back in or whatever, and then you're like, now it's
Speaker 1: time to really like you know, edit edit, Like reading
Speaker 1: it out loud, I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, that's as funny as I thought.
Speaker 1: He joke sounds irrelevant because to hear it, because oftentimes
Speaker 1: you know what you mean, but to hear it out loud,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, it actually is not translating. That was
Speaker 1: the best piece of advice that, like, you know what
Speaker 1: it's all said and done, to read it out loud, literally,
Speaker 1: like I went to Staples printed it and it took
Speaker 1: forever because reading your head is so much faster, but
Speaker 1: reading it out loud, like you know, yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: the audiobook too. Yeah, but by then, yeah, what you
Speaker 1: don't want is the first time you read it out
Speaker 1: loud is the audiobook, because then you're like, because that's
Speaker 1: what happened. For example, Penguin bought One Week Budget, my
Speaker 1: very first book that ever wrote. They bought the audio
Speaker 1: rights to that book from me.
Speaker 2: Okay, and so yeah, so I had to read it
Speaker 2: out loud, and girl, I was cringing the.
Speaker 3: Whole I was like, oh, that's a long time ago.
Speaker 2: I mean, I thought I was hilarious.
Speaker 1: Apparently like, damn it, you had to read. I can't remember,
Speaker 1: but I remember I was like, so I'm reading that.
Speaker 1: The engineers looking it was looking at each other like what.
Speaker 2: Are you talking about?
Speaker 3: You're like, do I have to read every word on
Speaker 3: the page?
Speaker 1: Oh my god. It was so cringey some of the things.
Speaker 1: I was like, cause, one, to your point, it was
Speaker 1: like ten years ago. But two, I mean I just
Speaker 1: thought I was so clever. I just so it was
Speaker 1: then that I realized, oh, this read out loud should
Speaker 1: have happened prior to me sitting in this booth. So
Speaker 1: that is like the final kind of like go through
Speaker 1: Oh and last thing, make sure to make sure for
Speaker 1: you what where do you want your reader to connect
Speaker 1: with you off the page?
Speaker 2: So I did not.
Speaker 1: It wasn't until like, ugh, I literally had to submit
Speaker 1: my final like draft, and it was like my book,
Speaker 1: what's it called?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: I had a coach and I had a book coach,
Speaker 1: a business coach. He's liked, oh, so where are you
Speaker 1: setting them in the book? I'm like, huh, I didn't
Speaker 1: have anything. And so that's when I came up with
Speaker 1: the idea of creating a toolkit. And so like you know,
Speaker 1: like I woant to say, like and almost in every chapter,
Speaker 1: I would say, don't forget to get your toolkit. So,
Speaker 1: because my book is so technical, that just meant cover
Speaker 1: like copies of like the spreadsheets and things that are
Speaker 1: in the book. But especially if you're listening like the
Speaker 1: audio version, you might not have the spreadsheets and things
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: And so all the things were in my.
Speaker 1: Toolkit, which was great because you came to made you
Speaker 1: come to my site, you put your name and email
Speaker 1: in the toolkit pops up automatically and I sent you
Speaker 1: a link so you never have to do that again.
Speaker 1: But it allowed me to now connect to the reader
Speaker 1: off site. And then because not everybody was a budgetist,
Speaker 1: the fan who bought the book, some people just bought
Speaker 1: the book, but now they're like, oh, now you become
Speaker 1: a DreamCatcher because you're part of the bigger network.
Speaker 2: So that was huge.
Speaker 1: Is to make sure that I integrated like that into
Speaker 1: the book so I can take the reader from the
Speaker 1: book to into like my digital world. So that was
Speaker 1: like huge that I almost missed out on it. Like
Speaker 1: that book added over one hundred thousand people to my
Speaker 1: email list as a result. Wow, and people who download
Speaker 1: the toolkit. Imagine Mandy, how people I would have lost? Wow.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I mean that's such a to like get
Speaker 3: someone to put the book down type in a website
Speaker 3: like that's they really wanted to get that resource. That's
Speaker 3: really smart. Okay, that's a lot to think about. I
Speaker 3: think for me, it's just what I'm going to get
Speaker 3: rid of is trying to say every day I'm going
Speaker 3: to spend seventy two minutes exactly on this book because
Speaker 3: it's just impossible for me to have a routine like that.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna I'm just going to say at least
Speaker 3: every day I'm going to touch something. You know, I'm
Speaker 3: going to touch the page, I'm going to read something,
Speaker 3: I'm going to tweak something and see how that goes.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm looking at it. I downloaded word duck.
Speaker 3: I haven't had to do that since, like I don't know,
Speaker 3: two thousand and four. But uh, that's how the publishing
Speaker 3: world works. So yeah, I'm I'm getting into it. And
Speaker 3: I'm so hungry to connect with real working women because
Speaker 3: that's who the book is for, right And you know,
Speaker 3: what I've found has been challenging is a lot of
Speaker 3: people who engage with content these days is other coaches,
Speaker 3: other professionals and stuff, which is fine, but now I'm like,
Speaker 3: get out of the way, Like I want to talk
Speaker 3: to real Like I just I don't even want to
Speaker 3: reach Instagram right now. Yeah, I want to go to
Speaker 3: i G Yeah exactly, Like that's who I want to
Speaker 3: work with. That's who I you know, that's who I
Speaker 3: do work with. But it's it's been a little hard
Speaker 3: and I need to find a better way to just
Speaker 3: like sit with them. I'm wondering if I should start
Speaker 3: doing my you know, the best sort of the best
Speaker 3: foundation that I laid for myself as a career coach
Speaker 3: was doing those two hundred free sessions two years ago,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, that was the most insight I got
Speaker 3: into what women were going through, and that has been
Speaker 3: my north star for everything in my business up until
Speaker 3: this point. And I want another. I want another crack
Speaker 3: at that, Like I want to be sitting with wheel
Speaker 3: real women, even beyond Mandy money Makers, my coaching community,
Speaker 3: and yeah, just really getting inside their heads so I
Speaker 3: can be sure that this is the exact book that
Speaker 3: they need.
Speaker 2: Oh, you should do that.
Speaker 1: You should do a series of interviews so that way
Speaker 1: you can also hopefully include some of their stories in
Speaker 1: the book. I don't know if that's like something yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure. Anecdotes for sure. And I have
Speaker 3: almost every coaching call I did recorded, So another exercise
Speaker 3: for me is going on walks and listening to those calls.
Speaker 3: But I'm almost like, man twenty twenty one, that was
Speaker 3: a long time ago, and now it feels like people
Speaker 3: are chat gpting their way to resumes and getting job
Speaker 3: interviews and like all this stuff. So yeah, that's where
Speaker 3: I'm at now, is just really staying true to who
Speaker 3: I'm writing it for and I just want to find her.
Speaker 3: And so if that sounds like you, please, you know,
Speaker 3: feel free to reach out to me, slide into my DMS.
Speaker 3: I started by emailing my entire email list, and I
Speaker 3: told them I wasn't hundreds of thousands like Tiffany, but
Speaker 3: it was a few. I got a little list and
Speaker 3: I was like, what are you going through in your
Speaker 3: career right now? And how can I help you? It
Speaker 3: was like two sentences long, and I got so many replies,
Speaker 3: and that was just like a really good step for
Speaker 3: me to feel like I'm hearing from real women. So
Speaker 3: if that's you and you want to tell me what's
Speaker 3: happening in your career right now, what questions you have,
Speaker 3: what your goals are, what's stopping you the whatever you're
Speaker 3: going through, please like straight up email me or dm me.
Speaker 3: I will respond. I promise info at Mandy money dot
Speaker 3: com and you can find me at Mandy Money on
Speaker 3: all platforms, but IG is probably the smoothest one to
Speaker 3: reach me, and that's Mandy with an I Okay, come
Speaker 3: find me, y'all help me write this book.
Speaker 2: I love that. I can't wait.
Speaker 1: It's I think because to your point, you have filled
Speaker 1: in this amazing gap where like sometimes I'm just like wow,
Speaker 1: Like I see some of the stories of women who've
Speaker 1: been able to negotiate in ways they didn't think possible,
Speaker 1: and I love that. Like, you know, even you share
Speaker 1: with Alex, your brother, how he was able to negotiate
Speaker 1: more on his you know, you know, after leaving his job. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I just like, I don't think we realize how
Speaker 1: much power, you know, we have, and so like, you know,
Speaker 1: and you're negotiating a book. I mean sometimes you might
Speaker 1: think it's just like working women who work you know,
Speaker 1: these kind of like more traditional jobs, but it helped
Speaker 1: me to like negotiate more money from brands working with them, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: I never thought about that, you know, Like yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's just I mean, I just I'm excited because I
Speaker 1: think your book is going to reach beyond, you know,
Speaker 1: what you think, because.
Speaker 2: There's just so much to learn. You know, Negotiating is
Speaker 2: not an easy thing.
Speaker 1: Like even though you know, I'm my mom, set set boundaries,
Speaker 1: budget these to journey, you know, but I still sometimes
Speaker 1: have a hard time asking for the things that I want,
Speaker 1: you know, and so having scripts and having also knowing
Speaker 1: that it works and watching how you've navigated your own
Speaker 1: It's one thing for someone to say here's the thing
Speaker 1: to do. It's another thing to learn from someone that's
Speaker 1: like I had to do these things when they they
Speaker 1: were really hard when.
Speaker 2: This happened to me, you know.
Speaker 1: And so I know that they work because it's worked
Speaker 1: for women that I work with, but it's also worked
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 2: So I'm excited or whatever. I'm still doing it now.
Speaker 3: Right before I went on met Leeve, I had to
Speaker 3: negotiate a huge like a brand deal, so yeah, I can't.
Speaker 3: I'm this feels like the thing that I'm meant to
Speaker 3: be doing right now, and I'm very excited, which was
Speaker 3: nerve wracking because imagine you get a booked because I've
Speaker 3: been asked to do books before, like personal finance books
Speaker 3: or like for millennial books early in my career, and
Speaker 3: it never felt like the thing that I had to do.
Speaker 3: And it's such a long journey. This book will not
Speaker 3: be coming out until twenty twenty five, y'all, so we're
Speaker 3: going on. This is a long term relationship for me,
Speaker 3: and it feels like the right thing to be sitting
Speaker 3: with for that long, you know. So I'm laser focused
Speaker 3: and thank you to for all your support.
Speaker 2: Keep it coming. Yeah, I've got some work. I told
Speaker 2: I went, Oh, I told you, and I spoked to you.
Speaker 1: I went to Nashville for this thing called Author for Authors,
Speaker 1: where it's like some of the top authors in the country,
Speaker 1: out the world, some of which have told millions of
Speaker 1: copies of their books, and we just literally just did
Speaker 1: like brain dumps into each other.
Speaker 2: So I learned even more things that I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I did not know, so I'll share.
Speaker 3: Were you invited to speak or was that like you
Speaker 3: were just going to go.
Speaker 1: No, we were all just kind of there where meat
Speaker 1: was there. The guy who wrote Profit First was one
Speaker 1: of the hosts. Like, I don't know if we had
Speaker 1: ever heard of Miracle Morning.
Speaker 2: So that's a huge book.
Speaker 3: He was there Morning, oh you.
Speaker 2: Or morning like it wake up in the morning. Here's
Speaker 2: how you can stay. And there's a guy whose restaurant
Speaker 2: was rated the best in the world. I forget his name,
Speaker 2: Will something. It's in New York.
Speaker 1: His book is called Uncommon Hospitality or something like that.
Speaker 1: It's like flying off the shelves.
Speaker 2: He was there.
Speaker 1: So it's just really interesting to meet people at different
Speaker 1: spices and Walks of Life, you know, like you're just like, oh, wow,
Speaker 1: that's suthing. I read your book, Jeff Walker Launch. Remember
Speaker 1: that book Launch that I told you. It's like that
Speaker 1: was your book.
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, he was there.
Speaker 3: Mm hm Oh did you get to meet him in person?
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: We took a picture because you know, he put me
Speaker 1: in his book and I was like, oh, I did
Speaker 1: he did, So we took a picture of me.
Speaker 2: Holding like me in his book.
Speaker 1: So it was just yeah, but it was just what
Speaker 1: I really loved about it is that everybody was there.
Speaker 1: I was hesitant about going from being honest because I
Speaker 1: thought it's just one of these up sells, you know,
Speaker 1: like and at the end you can buy a one
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars program. No, none of that. It was
Speaker 1: literally just, hey, everyone in this room had sold, you know,
Speaker 1: over one hundred thousand dollars, one hundred thousand copies of
Speaker 1: their book, which is you know, less.
Speaker 3: That's like the minimum entry point you have jump sold
Speaker 3: that money.
Speaker 1: So it's like less than And I think I saw
Speaker 1: a stat that they shared less than zero point four
Speaker 1: percent of books ever do that, And so I'm sure
Speaker 1: there's something that you've done that someone in here is
Speaker 1: not aware of I don't care how many books you sold.
Speaker 1: So it was just interesting to be like, I never
Speaker 1: thought about that. I never thought about that, and so
Speaker 1: it was just really it was great and everybody was
Speaker 1: just so giving and sharing. They were just like, and
Speaker 1: this is what I did, and this is what I did.
Speaker 1: So we all just shared. And so I say all
Speaker 1: that to.
Speaker 3: Get to that point zero four percent. If you're not
Speaker 3: if you have a scarcity mindset, I think, if you
Speaker 3: are willing to share.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So it was great and I'd never been
Speaker 1: to Nashville before. I didn't realize Nashville was such a
Speaker 1: big What did the girls go there for bridal shot?
Speaker 2: What is it like? You know how the men have
Speaker 2: a bachelore Yes.
Speaker 1: Yes, she said it looked like I told Tracy. I
Speaker 1: was like, because I When I came back, she was like,
Speaker 1: how was Nashville.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, because I am.
Speaker 1: My flight got canceled, so I spent the nextra day
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, everybody kept saying you have
Speaker 1: to go down to honky Tonk Lane.
Speaker 2: I think that's what it's called, where it's like all
Speaker 2: of these like bars or whatever.
Speaker 1: It looked like white white essence, Like, have you ever
Speaker 1: been to Essence Fest, where's like literally tens of thousands
Speaker 1: of black women excited and happy in the streets. I
Speaker 1: was like, I have never seen this many white ladies
Speaker 1: in one place I want and they would have a
Speaker 1: good time, honey, Okay.
Speaker 3: White girl wasted, white girl wasted lane.
Speaker 1: But honestly, it looked it was I mean, it looked
Speaker 1: amazing because the bars were all really nice.
Speaker 2: Everybody was just so happy because you know, just all celibratory.
Speaker 1: But I just never seen that many white girls who
Speaker 1: want place have such a good time.
Speaker 2: Everybody, of course had the obligatory cowboy hat.
Speaker 3: I said, you didn't go to a state school in
Speaker 3: Georgia like I did, y'all. I saw enough of that
Speaker 3: to last me a lifetime. Now that sounds like Athens,
Speaker 3: Georgia to me on a Tuesday.
Speaker 2: But that was awesome.
Speaker 3: Oh well, I know, you hear all those stats of
Speaker 3: like how many books we'll get to this or that
Speaker 3: or this or that, and I'm just, ah, just I
Speaker 3: don't know if it's like the baby, you know effect,
Speaker 3: or just everything feels like it's sinking up right now.
Speaker 3: But I'm just I can't wait to gift this to y'all.
Speaker 3: I just feel like this is, you know, going to
Speaker 3: help so many people. That's what I want to focus on.
Speaker 3: And as far as like the lists and yeah, I
Speaker 3: want to manifest all that best selling and my whole
Speaker 3: the mentality I've chosen is why not me? Like that's
Speaker 3: just my mentality, Like I know what the stats have
Speaker 3: said my whole career about this and that and who
Speaker 3: makes money and who gets to senior levels and all that,
Speaker 3: And it's always been like, listen to black women, all
Speaker 3: the statistic show we're less likely to do everything amazing, right,
Speaker 3: But that's never going to get us anywhere, just like
Speaker 3: leaning into those stats. So for me, my mantras like
Speaker 3: why not me? Yeah, what if me? You know what
Speaker 3: if this book? Why not this book?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 3: That's the energy I hope to carry through.
Speaker 2: And that's the energy you put in. I think.
Speaker 1: I think when so many people write their book without intention,
Speaker 1: I I won't say that. Meaning when I wrote my book,
Speaker 1: I said, what kind of book? There's so many types
Speaker 1: of books you can have. Do you want some big,
Speaker 1: huge blockbuster that just came out? You know, I knew
Speaker 1: I wanted what they call a perennial seller, like a
Speaker 1: book that sells year after year after year. And I
Speaker 1: remember the book I had in mind was The Four
Speaker 1: Hour work Week, and I kept saying, I want to
Speaker 1: write Tim Ferriss's The Four Hour work We still.
Speaker 2: Haven't read them.
Speaker 3: Am I the only one in the world. I think
Speaker 3: I even might own it.
Speaker 1: Why have I not read this book? I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I remember me a lot rich. That is a
Speaker 1: book for me that like had me think differently. Tim
Speaker 1: was not famous, you know, like that was his first book,
Speaker 1: but it had me think differently. It had me I mean,
Speaker 1: some of the stuff you know might not apply now,
Speaker 1: but at the time it was like I never heard
Speaker 1: of someone say it in this way. It gave me
Speaker 1: clear directions about what to do. And there's a perennial seller,
Speaker 1: meaning that the information was so evergreen that like fifteen years,
Speaker 1: I don't know how long it's been, it's been like
Speaker 1: a long time, like over ten years later, that book
Speaker 1: is still selling because it's such a grounding book. And
Speaker 1: I said, that's what I wanted. I want a book
Speaker 1: because some books are very timely, you know, you might
Speaker 1: write a book about the recession, and because we're in
Speaker 1: it or about an election, you know, so just being
Speaker 1: intentional about like I knew I didn't want that. I
Speaker 1: wanted almost my book to feel like like almost like
Speaker 1: an encyclopedia I'm dating myself, you know, like a reference
Speaker 1: book that you.
Speaker 2: Take still exist, you know, like you take it off
Speaker 2: the wall.
Speaker 1: You're like, because people will say that they're like, girl,
Speaker 1: I was, I was asking myself a question about credit.
Speaker 1: I pulled your book off the wall and looked at
Speaker 1: the credit chapter. And That's what I wanted. So having
Speaker 1: that in your mind as you write. Literally I used
Speaker 1: to I would imagine my person like doing that, like
Speaker 1: so as I'm writing it. So that way, it was
Speaker 1: like my north starve like I called her Tanya. That's
Speaker 1: what I call like the specific DreamCatcher who like I
Speaker 1: can imagine, I was, like, I can imagine Tanya walking
Speaker 1: down the aisles of Barns and Noble.
Speaker 2: I imagine Tinya seeing my book like oh is that
Speaker 2: a sister girl on the book now.
Speaker 1: And then pulling it and being like ooh, this actually
Speaker 1: sounds really good, and Tanya reading it. I imagine sometimes Tanya
Speaker 1: would read it all the way through, but sometimes Tanya
Speaker 1: would skip chapters and if she was a skip chapter girl,
Speaker 1: does the book still speak to her? So these are
Speaker 1: the things it allowed me to write the book from
Speaker 1: more perspective of like really serving, like you know, like
Speaker 1: Tanya and so yeah, so whatever it is that you know, however,
Speaker 1: whoever it is that you want to serve because you
Speaker 1: know your lady or you're you know, like just keeping
Speaker 1: her in mind, like how is she going to navigate
Speaker 1: with this book? You know, is the cover going to
Speaker 1: make her say, oh, you know, is she going to
Speaker 1: be is she the type of person that reads all
Speaker 1: the way through? Or she got a skip chapters?
Speaker 2: You know? Do they need to do homework on the side?
Speaker 2: Am I going to have that for them? You know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 1: So, you know, like it's just it's exciting because your book,
Speaker 1: I don't know, You're going to just grow so much
Speaker 1: from like the writing of it, the marketing of it,
Speaker 1: and then all the people that are going to flood
Speaker 1: to like your platforms as a result of like learning
Speaker 1: about you through the book.
Speaker 2: So it's just a really exciting time.
Speaker 3: Like just to get the opportunity to write a book,
Speaker 3: it's freaking exciting. Yes, even if it bombs like I
Speaker 3: got a chance. I got a chance to write a book. Baby, Mandy,
Speaker 3: whose one talent in life was only ever writing, is
Speaker 3: going to write a freaking book.
Speaker 2: So ugh, anyway, that's gonna be on a shaps girl.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we're girl. I heard a bomb place. We're
Speaker 2: all this novels over here. We're going to that book.
Speaker 3: It's just yeah, it's just a it's just a damn blessing.
Speaker 3: Everything's a damn blessing right now. Just happy. I just
Speaker 3: feel like, you know where I was two years ago.
Speaker 3: It's wild.
Speaker 2: I know, it's a really wild where.
Speaker 3: Things have gone. Should we take we should.
Speaker 2: Take a break.
Speaker 1: I know, they're like, girl, you can tell. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh that's what I forgot. We're talking about the people
Speaker 1: because I'm just same. I'm just so happy you're back
Speaker 1: in the.
Speaker 3: Me too, miss chief.
Speaker 2: Oh I missed you two mans. I love you girls.
Speaker 3: I love you.
Speaker 1: All Right, we're gonna take out black and Brown break.
Speaker 1: It will be right back.
Speaker 2: And we're bad. We're brown. We're gonna do. We have
Speaker 2: not done a brown boost brown break in so.
Speaker 3: Long, Oh my days, so long that I forgot about it.
Speaker 2: Man, Okay, I know, right, Like what kind of. I know, girl,
Speaker 2: I was thinking about the same thing, Like what I
Speaker 2: I brown boost a break?
Speaker 3: There's too many things to boost. I only want to okay,
Speaker 3: but maybe you should go.
Speaker 1: First throughout the first Oh, okay, I do I have
Speaker 1: something good? Okay, Okay, So I wonder if this is
Speaker 1: I guess it'll be. So I forget girl, what is
Speaker 1: the oh? And now it's time.
Speaker 2: To boost break?
Speaker 1: Break over?
Speaker 2: Are you gonna boost? Are you gonna break? What you're
Speaker 2: gonna do? What you're going take.
Speaker 3: Longer than it used to be?
Speaker 2: Girls friends so long?
Speaker 1: I don't even know that's the song anyway, Okay, so
Speaker 1: I'm going to it's like a boosty breaking. So while
Speaker 1: I was at Authors for Authors, not this amazing woman there,
Speaker 1: super nice. She sold her business in twenty sixteen to
Speaker 1: a major conglomerate for one point two billion dollars, yes
Speaker 1: b with a billion. She was just you ever meet
Speaker 1: somebody who was like so nice and kind you know,
Speaker 1: even before they opened their mouth, you could just feel
Speaker 1: like they're just reading eating like mother Teresa kindness. So anyway,
Speaker 1: so she was there, super nice, and my friend Lovey
Speaker 1: was there too, So she and Lovey were talking. I
Speaker 1: heard them talking and they were just talking about work, work, work,
Speaker 1: and she was telling lovey at one point she was
Speaker 1: working for almost eight years straight. She was working about
Speaker 1: one hundred hours a week for almost eight years straight, as.
Speaker 2: I say, one now, that's two and a half full
Speaker 2: time jobs before she sold her before.
Speaker 1: Before she told her company two and a half, you know,
Speaker 1: so one hundred hours a week, like you know, And
Speaker 1: so I was like, what really, you know? But then
Speaker 1: she said, you know, she did something. I want to say,
Speaker 1: it took her. I want to say that I think
Speaker 1: that she sold her company like year eight or your nine,
Speaker 1: but under ten years. So as I'm listening, and then
Speaker 1: we were just talking about the overwork and overwhelmed and
Speaker 1: how it was just we were just the three of
Speaker 1: us were sharing and I said, I don't overwork and
Speaker 1: overwhelm myself anymore. That it took for like my blood
Speaker 1: pressure to get to a place where I didn't even
Speaker 1: want to check it, that it was in the you're
Speaker 1: going to have a heart attack space, And she was
Speaker 1: like really, I said yes, I said, now, girl.
Speaker 2: I go for a walk.
Speaker 1: I just I took a two hour walk today, I said.
Speaker 1: I nap almost every day if need be, But I
Speaker 1: walk every day, not even for the snatchness, although your
Speaker 1: girl's getting snatched, really just for the peace of it,
Speaker 1: you know. And I just said, I just refused to
Speaker 1: overwork and overwhelm. I cannot do it.
Speaker 2: So we were talking and something told me to ask
Speaker 2: her because she just had this kind of like I
Speaker 2: don't want to say quiet sadness, but a quiet I
Speaker 2: don't know how to describe it. But I looked at
Speaker 2: her and I said, can I ask you a question?
Speaker 2: She said yes.
Speaker 1: I said, you sold your business for one point two
Speaker 1: billion she pocketed almost I want to say half, but
Speaker 1: a little short shot than half of that, because you know,
Speaker 1: this is like public knowledge. And I said, can I
Speaker 1: ask like, was it worth it one hundred hours a
Speaker 1: week for the eight years you know, to do all?
Speaker 2: I mean, that's life changing? And she said. She looked
Speaker 2: at me and she said no.
Speaker 1: And not no, but not well, you know, like I
Speaker 1: was expecting, like, honestly, the fact I could do this
Speaker 1: for she's married, she's got kids.
Speaker 2: Not that.
Speaker 1: She just said quietly, honestly no, And then she shared
Speaker 1: some other stuff. I think it's probably private, so I'm
Speaker 1: not going to share I'm listening to her book right now,
Speaker 1: and so I'm like, I don't unless she shares it
Speaker 1: in her book, then I'll share it. But then I
Speaker 1: was like, I didn't know if I don't know how much.
Speaker 1: But anyway, she just kind of shared why it wasn't no,
Speaker 1: and it was just a confirmation for me that.
Speaker 2: It's that over that overworked, overwhelmed. I already knew, but
Speaker 2: to hear from somebody who's achieved literally the pinnacle of
Speaker 2: what you consider success in business, right like to have
Speaker 2: and they bought it, like the company bought it for
Speaker 2: one point two billion dollars cash, which is like unheard
Speaker 2: of typically.
Speaker 3: Can you say her name?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jamie Kern. You can get her.
Speaker 1: Her book is called so she told it cosmetics to Lareel.
Speaker 1: This is public knowledgy and in her book. I'm listening
Speaker 1: to her now.
Speaker 3: The only female billionaire I know of besides Oprah is
Speaker 3: like the Spanks Lady.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Jamie Kern. And so she has a book.
Speaker 1: Oh what is her book? I'm listening to an artible.
Speaker 1: It's pretty good. It's called Believe It by Jamie Kerrn Lima.
Speaker 1: And so when she said that, you know, because sometimes
Speaker 1: you know, you hear from people, but you know you're like, well,
Speaker 1: what do you know? But here's this woman who solds
Speaker 1: her business for a billion dollars. It's the largest you know,
Speaker 1: I guess the largest acquisition that in Loyal's one hundred
Speaker 1: is something in your history she's done, like literally, I
Speaker 1: don't even know, maybe there's ten people that's done that,
Speaker 1: twenty people, you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean.
Speaker 1: Like, it's just and to see all of that and
Speaker 1: even listening to like how much she's working in the
Speaker 1: book is giving me anxiety. I'm like Jesus, like, and
Speaker 1: I just thought when she said no not of course,
Speaker 1: I'm sure she's happy about the financial but we were
Speaker 1: talking about overshooting our shot that sometimes you do a
Speaker 1: thing and you pray for a thing, and you tell yourself,
Speaker 1: I just want this thing. I want to be able
Speaker 1: to take care of my parents and all my my
Speaker 1: friends or make sure that I'm okay. And you get
Speaker 1: to that place and you work, you keep working beyond
Speaker 1: that place as if it didn't happen, the same level
Speaker 1: of like anxiety, the same level of more and more
Speaker 1: and more, go, go go bigger, bigger, bigger, and all
Speaker 1: to what end? And That's what she and I were
Speaker 1: talking about. We were like, to what end, you know,
Speaker 1: like could.
Speaker 2: Three hundred thousand be enough? Three hundred million? Could you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, like, to what end really? And
Speaker 2: then what have you lost in the gaining of that?
Speaker 1: You know? And so like I just it was just
Speaker 1: so I guess my boosty breaky is my break is
Speaker 1: the culture of overwork and overwhelm you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, you need done with that already.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know that hustle, hustle, hustle, ground, grind, ground,
Speaker 1: more more and more and more and more. That's the
Speaker 1: break And the boost is the self awareness to understand
Speaker 1: the things that really mean the most, you know, like
Speaker 1: your health, you know, your connection to the people that
Speaker 1: you love. You know, like doctor Green helped me to
Speaker 1: realize that I over index on people who love me,
Speaker 1: you know. And then I mean.
Speaker 2: She was like girl between your parents and your sisters
Speaker 2: and your friends and your thing, I mean dream catcher
Speaker 2: y'all brown a bish and listens. I can't go. No,
Speaker 2: I was somewhere and someone will say, here is a
Speaker 2: hug for you. He is a hug from Mandra. I
Speaker 2: can't remember where I was.
Speaker 1: I think I found I was at Marshalls and she
Speaker 1: was like, hey girl, so I'm gonna hug you know
Speaker 1: you hate it, so I have Marshals too, But honestly,
Speaker 1: I you know, like that's the stuff. Like, certainly I
Speaker 1: know I could work more and make more money, but
Speaker 1: to what end? And so that is my you know,
Speaker 1: the break is the overwork, and I had already stopped
Speaker 1: doing that. But the boost is like the self acknowledgment.
Speaker 1: Now I'm not saying you shouldn't work hard, because that
Speaker 1: is part, like if you're wanting something, there's working hard.
Speaker 1: But the overwork is what I mean, you know, And
Speaker 1: what I told her is that I believe over work
Speaker 1: is a lack of faith, you know, like in whatever
Speaker 1: it is that you believe in. If you think that
Speaker 1: you have to head your bets to go above and
Speaker 1: beyond what's actually required, it's like you don't really believe
Speaker 1: in yourself because you know, the hard work, like the good,
Speaker 1: solid hard work, really is enough. It's a lack of
Speaker 1: faith in yourself and whatever higher power that you believe in.
Speaker 1: And she was just like, yeah, because you know, you
Speaker 1: think to yourself, well, if I sleep two hours, maybe
Speaker 1: i'll get it done. Instead of like, girl, actually that's
Speaker 1: just not true. You know, like there's a law of
Speaker 1: diminishing returns and that you know, even water, if drunken,
Speaker 1: excess can drown you from the inside.
Speaker 2: You know that.
Speaker 1: Anything good, if done to extreme excess, actually has the
Speaker 1: opposite effect. At a friend in middle school who poisoned
Speaker 1: herself accidentally because she ate so many carrots, so many carrots,
Speaker 1: I remember thinking, like alixat.
Speaker 3: That episode of Arthur, No, did you ever see that
Speaker 3: earth pbs?
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, how much show?
Speaker 3: There was an episode of Arthur and Buster the Rabbit
Speaker 3: h or one of the characters. They too many carrots,
Speaker 3: they turned orange?
Speaker 2: Yes, poison yourself?
Speaker 3: Yes, all right, I bet Arthur ruins that for her.
Speaker 1: Yes, And so I just its like, but but you know,
Speaker 1: karros on the surface good healthy vegetables, but to excess
Speaker 1: will literally poison you. And so I'm just saying all
Speaker 1: that to say that, like, if you're listening working really hard,
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with hard work, but to excess too
Speaker 1: over and above what's required and necessary and needed, you
Speaker 1: are actually working against the actual dream that you're hoping for.
Speaker 1: And so I hope this is a wake up call
Speaker 1: that you're needing. And yeah, because that was such a
Speaker 1: wake up call. I was expecting her to say no,
Speaker 1: but let me tell you girl, because da da da
Speaker 1: la la la.
Speaker 2: She just said quietly, no, no, and I was like, damn,
Speaker 2: it wasn't worth a billy geez.
Speaker 3: So yeah, Well, like our posts on Instagram said today,
Speaker 3: I'd like a shot to prove that money can't maybe.
Speaker 1: I mean, Jamie's not brown or black, but I feel
Speaker 1: like I would love to have her on the show made.
Speaker 1: She hasn't ask her anything but justause I feel like
Speaker 1: it's just an opportunity to talk to somebody, like in
Speaker 1: a way that I'm like, what was that light? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean, she'd considered. I know, we'd like
Speaker 1: to send her.
Speaker 3: She's happy now, I mean she's really happy in other ways,
Speaker 3: like yeah, know what I mean, there's this family. I
Speaker 3: think you just realize, you know what. It's almost like
Speaker 3: if you're only striving for the money. When you get it,
Speaker 3: it's like an anti climax kind of situation where like,
Speaker 3: oh and now I have it, and you're looking around like, well,
Speaker 3: this isn't this isn't keeping me warm at night? Necessarily, Yes, she.
Speaker 1: Said she used to go in the book candidly, she said,
Speaker 1: like she would go on vacation with like she would
Speaker 1: like treat her family's a vacation and spend literally the
Speaker 1: whole vacation in the hotel room working.
Speaker 3: She was like for eight hours below deck. I know,
Speaker 3: I see a lot of miserable rich people on YA,
Speaker 3: just like hating their friends. They're like, you're only here
Speaker 3: because I paid for this trip, smashing champagne on bottles
Speaker 3: on each other. It's a it's to what end?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm just like, you know, it was just
Speaker 1: like like I said, it was just like a good
Speaker 1: I don't want't say wake up calls. I've already had
Speaker 1: my wake up call, but just a good confirmation of like, girl,
Speaker 1: lean into the love that you have and you know,
Speaker 1: do enough, you know, but to make sure you can
Speaker 1: maintain like the kind of life that you want. But
Speaker 1: you even't got to go above and beyond Craige.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you know.
Speaker 3: The best thing for me is when we go outside
Speaker 3: for a walk on my block, people come out to
Speaker 3: say hello, and it's just so like I love having that,
Speaker 3: like just knowing my neighbors and knowing that they love me.
Speaker 3: In return, and like we just I don't know, we
Speaker 3: just are there for each other.
Speaker 2: I like that break. I'm going to do a boost.
Speaker 3: I'm going to do a boost. Oh, there's there's a lot.
Speaker 3: I came back from. I came back to Mandy money Makers,
Speaker 3: which is my online coaching community. I've got like two
Speaker 3: hundred women, got them and we can They've done my
Speaker 3: course and career and professional resiliency and all that. But anyway,
Speaker 3: we have a slack channel and they can DM me
Speaker 3: any old time, the whole you know. I like to
Speaker 3: be in it with these women. And one of my
Speaker 3: makers had lost her job. She was let go a
Speaker 3: long time ago, maybe like the beginning late last year.
Speaker 3: And I think that there's there's again like this economy
Speaker 3: right now, it's it's mixed, which I actually think is
Speaker 3: pretty healthy. There's still people who are like some people
Speaker 3: who are having a hard time getting back, you know,
Speaker 3: after getting let go. But there's all these stories too
Speaker 3: of people who've gotten brand new jobs and you know,
Speaker 3: are getting poached. And it's a very mixed bag, I
Speaker 3: would say. But I wanted to shout out my Mandy
Speaker 3: money Maker Kristen, because she and I won't put her
Speaker 3: full name out there. But she just accepted a brand
Speaker 3: new job, and it's not just like she's had this
Speaker 3: time off and she's really it's been exhausting, you know.
Speaker 3: She was messaging me that her morale was so low
Speaker 3: because like the interview process is so long and you'll
Speaker 3: do you know, multiple multiple rounds of interviews, these big
Speaker 3: panel interviews. She had to make a presentation, you know,
Speaker 3: to her to the potential companies, only then to either
Speaker 3: be ghosted or told no. It's exhausting, right, But she
Speaker 3: finally she reached out a couple of like last week
Speaker 3: to say that she was she had a job offer,
Speaker 3: like a job offer from a great company. And this
Speaker 3: is what I talk about. I was like, there's going
Speaker 3: to be a moment when in your career you get
Speaker 3: a call and it's the job, it's the interview that
Speaker 3: you worked really hard for, and they're gonna call you
Speaker 3: and they're gonna give you a job offer, and it's
Speaker 3: gonna be really good to start with, and you actually
Speaker 3: aren't going to have to fight. You actually aren't going
Speaker 3: to have to be a master negotiator because your value
Speaker 3: is so inherent, like they understand what you're worth. Because
Speaker 3: you have established that from the jump. I'm always talking
Speaker 3: about how negotiating happens way before the job offer. Anyway,
Speaker 3: this was one of those moments because she got her
Speaker 3: job offer. She sent me the offer letter and I read.
Speaker 3: I read through that thing with a fine tooth COMBB
Speaker 3: was looking for things to call out. There wasn't it
Speaker 3: was so good. Like the relocation benefit was, like, you
Speaker 3: even have job assistance for her spouse because they she
Speaker 3: has to move, Like, I mean, you know all that,
Speaker 3: you know, finding a new place, give you a rental car,
Speaker 3: help you find schools if you have kids, you know,
Speaker 3: like pay for some rent for a while. Like it
Speaker 3: was just so generous. And I just want to shout
Speaker 3: her out because it was a long ass road for her,
Speaker 3: and I know how hard that is, having had like
Speaker 3: not a front seat with her, but just being like
Speaker 3: indirectly hearing from her how it's been going. And so
Speaker 3: if you're out there and you have been waiting for
Speaker 3: that opportunity, just keep the faith, keep the faith, and
Speaker 3: keep going. And I'm so excited for her, and it
Speaker 3: also is just amazing that that is part of my
Speaker 3: job now is just to get to tell, you know,
Speaker 3: to see women finally get what they're worth, you know,
Speaker 3: and get those opportunities.
Speaker 2: So I love that.
Speaker 3: Congrats to Kristen.
Speaker 2: Yes, most was like finally.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's good stuff. I'm excited to be back.
Speaker 1: M well, that's not it. But that's the show for today.
Speaker 1: I'm actually gonna be away. I don't know where're gonna
Speaker 1: be listening to this, because we'd be having shows that
Speaker 1: drop onever. But I'm gonna away in the month of
Speaker 1: August because I can which.
Speaker 2: I'm excited about.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be taking Supergirl to Europe. We're gonna go
Speaker 1: to London, Paris and the Amafi Coast. I've not I've
Speaker 1: been to London in Paris a couple of times, but
Speaker 1: I've never been to the Amafi Coast. I'm excited about
Speaker 1: the land. She is so everybody who I meet is like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. I was so excited about I was
Speaker 1: talking to my neighbor. They're like, girl, yeah, Ulyssa was
Speaker 1: telling me about I was like, wait, she is so excited.
Speaker 1: She text me She's like, what clothes should I bring?
Speaker 1: So she's already ordered ordering her Amazon's Best, you know,
Speaker 1: whatever Sheine's Best or whatever.
Speaker 3: Fool you better be Instagram mom, Yeah, on them so
Speaker 3: she can stunt on her front.
Speaker 1: God, I already heard her because we went to the
Speaker 1: shore this this somebody'd rented a house for like eight days,
Speaker 1: and my family and friends kind of like rotated in
Speaker 1: and out.
Speaker 2: So she came.
Speaker 1: She blessed us with her presents, because she definitely was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm a hundred percent God of God,
Speaker 1: I was like, So she came, and I heard her
Speaker 1: telling one of her friends like, now, actually, I'm at
Speaker 1: the shore at the beach house. No. Actually, she was like,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to York, she told her friend, And
Speaker 1: I'm going to Europe next month, So talk to me different.
Speaker 3: Telling you she knowells people that comes back. When you
Speaker 3: told me you were going to Paris. I'm like, she's
Speaker 3: going to come back and get people two kisses on
Speaker 3: the cheeks and be like.
Speaker 2: But I love that.
Speaker 1: I want her to be that boy black girl, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, yes, a boogie black girl
Speaker 1: from Newark.
Speaker 2: She got the best of both the worlds. So I'm
Speaker 2: excited about that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, she is the ancestress wildest.
Speaker 2: Do it.
Speaker 3: Yes, it is the way labor you know, be the
Speaker 3: kid of the of the hard working bajillionaire. That's the
Speaker 3: gold of life.
Speaker 2: I did it wrong.
Speaker 3: But I'm about to August. Yes, oh, I'll be here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, yeah, I'll be here.
Speaker 3: Let me see, I'm about to turn thirty six. I'm
Speaker 3: about to turn a whole year older.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: Birth seems August sixth, which I know is very close
Speaker 3: to Superman's. Yeah, he's a third b day, twins day,
Speaker 3: Happy b day to Terrell Tu. Yeah, we're gonna be
Speaker 3: We're going to be with family and friends at a
Speaker 3: little house printed a beautiful airbnb, Catskills. So yeah, I
Speaker 3: told them. I was like, it's my birthday and we
Speaker 3: will be having a barbecue, and I'm a leo, so
Speaker 3: I will want attention and I'm not even gonna front,
Speaker 3: So play a surprise for me.
Speaker 2: I love that. For you, I love it.
Speaker 3: I'm excited. Yeah, So I'll be here with y'all. Don't worry.
Speaker 3: I'll always holding it down. And then I guess we'll
Speaker 3: be back together. I'm glad I came back for just
Speaker 3: a little quick for you, and before we pull each
Speaker 3: other pull apart from each other again, and when we
Speaker 3: come back in September, that'll be your eight we have
Speaker 3: our eight year anniversary.
Speaker 2: We should do something.
Speaker 3: We'd say that every year.
Speaker 1: I know, Hey, if you're listening and you're like a planner,
Speaker 1: like a party planner or whatever, like how was planning
Speaker 1: something like in New York or Jersey something like I
Speaker 1: don't know, it would be nice.
Speaker 2: I like, for real, reach out to us.
Speaker 3: At a minimum, we should do something together, but maybe yeah,
Speaker 3: something a little bit bigger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we had something our first year and that
Speaker 2: was very nice. We had that dinner.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, we should do something with Brown Ambish
Speaker 3: and listeners. We did.
Speaker 1: Yes, we should do something. That's what I mean with
Speaker 1: brown and Bishan listeners. So if you're a planner, hit
Speaker 1: us up. Yeah, yeah, until next time.
Speaker 3: Until next time and check out B, A Q and A.
Speaker 3: It's where we're going to go right now to answer
Speaker 3: y'all's questions. Bye bye, hey ba fam. We could not
Speaker 3: do this show without your support or the support of
Speaker 3: our team behind the scenes. The Brown Ambision podcast is
Speaker 3: produced by Imani Crosby and Dennis and Plinsky is our
Speaker 3: in house tech. I am your co host Mandy Woodrif Santos,
Speaker 3: and we will see y'all next week, BA Fam,