Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal coll that for me, I'm a.
Speaker 2: Man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well
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Speaker 1: You want to be happy for dake Edo State? Is that?
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Speaker 2: And Dan and Tye.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the solid Purple boys and girls. My
Speaker 1: name is ty hilden Brand. I am joined as always
Speaker 1: buy my trusted co host over there in beautiful New
Speaker 1: York City. A gentleman we know well as Dan Rubinstein, sir,
Speaker 1: how are you?
Speaker 2: I'm good, Ty, I am in the audio mausoleum in
Speaker 2: it is not well, that would I guess imply that
Speaker 2: there are multiple bodies in here, which I really hope not.
Speaker 2: Life is good, Tie, life is good at least if
Speaker 2: you are a Mississippi State fan. Yeah, you are Mississippi
Speaker 2: State fan. Life is glorious. What is a mausoleum?
Speaker 1: By it? I mean I know what a mausoleum is, right,
Speaker 1: What is an audio mausoleum?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not in the audio coffin anymore? Ty, So
Speaker 2: I'm trying out names for this. It almost is like
Speaker 2: a room at an insane asylum, Okay, because it's the
Speaker 2: walls are pad they are padded hESC audio purposes.
Speaker 1: Mine are two, so we've got something in common. Love it.
Speaker 2: So I am in here. There is a rug. It
Speaker 2: is real warm. It feels like the walls are closing
Speaker 2: in on me like the garbage compactor. And is it
Speaker 2: Star Wars? The Empire strikes back one of them, the
Speaker 2: first one. Yeah, yeah, And I'm feeling good. I'm my
Speaker 2: brain's gonna get loopy. We have a game to play too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you came up with the game, and I'm actually excited.
Speaker 1: This is going to go on.
Speaker 2: This is gonna be me on.
Speaker 1: Display, thinking on my feet because I don't know what's coming.
Speaker 1: I have a general sense for what you're gonna what
Speaker 1: you're gonna do here, but I don't know any of
Speaker 1: the topics in advance.
Speaker 2: Name of the game is this is it? And we
Speaker 2: determine whether or not one of I believe I have
Speaker 2: eight different college football teams and situations, and we are
Speaker 2: going to figure out between us. We can disagree, we
Speaker 2: can agree or disagree, agree and figure out whether or
Speaker 2: not the current city situation, the current homeostasis is it.
Speaker 1: If it is the.
Speaker 2: Current the current thing is a thing that will continue
Speaker 2: to trend, or if twenty sixteen was just an aberration,
Speaker 2: and of course, of course we have it Kenny Loggins themed.
Speaker 1: We have to. So I'm a little worried. M a
Speaker 1: little worried. I'm gonna be honest here please. By the way,
Speaker 1: the feedback on the fantasy thing scoring was that I
Speaker 1: need to push back more on you. Really you took
Speaker 1: a lot of a bit abuse. Many people are like,
Speaker 1: why are you so passive? So I guess they want
Speaker 1: me to strike back. I actually can. I've got that.
Speaker 2: We're I've got that in the quiver. I just don't
Speaker 2: usually you were the Oklahoma state safety to my Jeremiah
Speaker 2: Soli in the hot exactly.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm sa. You got audio trucked Tye, and
Speaker 1: I hate to be the one to break it to you.
Speaker 1: So I'm a little worried that this is going to
Speaker 1: be like the next Who's Now? Remember that Who's Now?
Speaker 1: That of course they did in ESPN was kind of chintzy, right.
Speaker 1: If I have more trust in you than I than
Speaker 1: I did in them, we know it's not going to
Speaker 1: be that. Because Kenny Loggins is timeless. He is somebody
Speaker 1: we go way back with Ken, and I believe you
Speaker 1: performed the Loggins and Messina song way back when I
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Speaker 1: All right, now, get the boots and tubes ready, Dan, Yes, because.
Speaker 2: We have backing news. Boo boo, boo boo.
Speaker 1: All right, this one actually broke. It's very rare that
Speaker 1: this happens where we can actually do news, the breaking
Speaker 1: news and sort of real time here. But it just
Speaker 1: came across on the Twitter sphere and via the old
Speaker 1: Miss YouTube channel. Weirdly enough that ole Miss is now
Speaker 1: self imposing a one year postseason ban for the twenty
Speaker 1: seventeen college football season. Per Bruce Felban quote, Old Miss
Speaker 1: has been charged with the dreaded lack of institutional control
Speaker 1: by the NCAA. The school said it will fight the charge.
Speaker 1: They also provided an update via a weird, emotionless twenty
Speaker 1: minute YouTube video which I had a chance to click through,
Speaker 1: and it's awful.
Speaker 2: Right, this is not good. If you're an Old Mis fan, Dan,
Speaker 2: you freeze Contrary to the allegations, I have strong record
Speaker 2: of promoting compliance and monitoring my staff. Ole Miss will
Speaker 2: also forfeit its annual postseason money, which is approximately seven
Speaker 2: point eight million.
Speaker 1: Dollars as per league rules by the bulban.
Speaker 2: Not great. I imagine they are going to vigorously appeal
Speaker 2: and hope for something. You know that the bulban being enough,
Speaker 2: but lack of institutional control could have a lot of
Speaker 2: bearing on who freeze a specific future.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels a little bit like the NCAA went
Speaker 1: for the kill shot here, right.
Speaker 2: Notice of allegations is just that it is not a
Speaker 2: ruling of any kind, but I imagine ole Miss is going
Speaker 2: to try to get out way in front of it,
Speaker 2: and like other schools have who have received allegations similar
Speaker 2: or in the same vicinity or tangential to what ole
Speaker 2: Miss has received, I would imagine the strategy should continue
Speaker 2: to be open up as much as you possibly can,
Speaker 2: and do not lie, do not cover anything up at
Speaker 2: this point, be as forthrights as humanly possible, and hope
Speaker 2: for the mercy of the completely confusing and nonsensible and
Speaker 2: c DOAA Enforcement Commission. So more to come on that front.
Speaker 1: If you believe the Internet, it seems like there is
Speaker 1: more to come, and I would suspect that in this
Speaker 1: case the Internet is correct, so stay tuned. Secondly, an
Speaker 1: interesting tidbit. Tommy Tubberville the former coach of like eight
Speaker 1: teams now but he is running for governor of Alabama. Supposedly.
Speaker 1: He formerly coached at Auburn, most recently at Cincinnati. He
Speaker 1: may be trying his hand at politics.
Speaker 2: Dan Texas Tech. Yeah, do you know who he'd be replacing?
Speaker 2: Do you know who the current governor of Alabama is?
Speaker 2: Current governor of Alabama? No, I'd have to google it.
Speaker 2: I think I don't know if I've mentioned this on
Speaker 2: the show before, because it's such an extraordinary piece, I
Speaker 2: want to say it's GQ. I will confirm this wrote
Speaker 2: a piece on Robert Bentley, governor of Alabet, is correct.
Speaker 2: Robert Bentley loves sexual intercourse a lot, okay, so much
Speaker 2: that he had an affair with his political advisor, I believe,
Speaker 2: which eventually led to his divorce, but not before his
Speaker 2: wife was just sort of like, yeah, no, he's up
Speaker 2: to that.
Speaker 1: That's just Robert, okay.
Speaker 2: And at one point he had like a separate pickup
Speaker 2: truck or something for just going to the lake with
Speaker 2: his second lady and then drove his pickup truck like
Speaker 2: five hours to like his beach house and forgot his
Speaker 2: wallet and then asked that state troopers bring him his
Speaker 2: wallet and they took a helicopter to wow his wallet.
Speaker 1: I was so aware of this, But Okay.
Speaker 2: Tommy Tupperville, who I would not say is in great
Speaker 2: standing in terms of his like public Q rating at
Speaker 2: the moment. He was last seen yelling at a fan
Speaker 2: who accused him of stealing money from Cincinnati after they
Speaker 2: lost to BYU.
Speaker 1: The bar is low.
Speaker 2: But when you think about coaches or former coaches in
Speaker 2: a state who could presumably win a governorship based on
Speaker 2: the sort of focusiness, popularity, charm, and you know, the
Speaker 2: appearance of being able to get things done politically because
Speaker 2: of success on the football field. Tommy Tupperville's way down.
Speaker 1: On my head. Yeah, I was gonna say Tuberville I
Speaker 1: don't think really qualifies there, but way way down.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this was all just an excuse talk about
Speaker 2: Robert Bentley, who is a what's the headline of the
Speaker 2: GQ piece, I don't know, like America's horniest governor. I
Speaker 2: didn't see it. I don't know the affair of Robert Bentley,
Speaker 2: Alabama's horndog governor. Okay, the love song of Robert Bentley.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, Alabamas horndog governor. Look it up. It's incredible.
Speaker 2: It is incredible.
Speaker 1: What is happening. We're not even passing judgment. Is just
Speaker 1: an incredible story.
Speaker 2: No, it's a wonderful, wonderful tale. So yeah, So from
Speaker 2: Ole miss and Hu Frees to Robert Bentley and Tommy
Speaker 2: Tuberville and Alabama. Matt Lubick, who was Organ's offensive coordinator
Speaker 2: last year, got fired with Mark Helfrich in the entirety
Speaker 2: of the Oregon staff immediately or almost immediately, took a
Speaker 2: job with Ole Miss as a receivers coach, quickly left
Speaker 2: to be a co offensive coordinator for Baylor and Matt Ruhle,
Speaker 2: and today it was announced that he would be accepting
Speaker 2: the wide receivers coach and co offensive coordinator job with
Speaker 2: the University of Washington. He's like Carmen san Diego at
Speaker 2: this point.
Speaker 1: He's Carmen san Diego.
Speaker 2: I called him an offensive handyman, just you know, bopping
Speaker 2: from household to household.
Speaker 1: So is he doing Is he doing work with Jim Cheney,
Speaker 1: because that would make sense. Jim Cheney is living. Jim
Speaker 1: Chaney'll give you a full year. He's like the offensive
Speaker 1: O pair. Yes, okay, he is the office.
Speaker 2: He will he will hang out and make sure everybody
Speaker 2: gets off to school. But Matt Lubick, son of Sunny Lubick,
Speaker 2: a former coach everywhere, especially Colorado State, heading to Seattle
Speaker 2: to play against and coach against the Orgon Ducks is law.
Speaker 2: He was there for four years and I is super
Speaker 2: well regarded. I should add it's just be skipping all
Speaker 2: over the place as a wide receivers. Coach was the
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator this past year.
Speaker 1: Got to use those frequent flyer miles before they expire.
Speaker 1: Got to use them.
Speaker 2: This is true. This is true, getting those star ward points.
Speaker 2: That's right, baby, Okay, getting everything? So there we are,
Speaker 2: tell me when to play me. I've got the music
Speaker 2: in front of me. Here, okay, play the music. The
Speaker 2: name of the game, tie, wo is this is it?
Speaker 2: And basically I'm going to give you a college football
Speaker 2: situation and you're gonna tell me if this is it,
Speaker 2: this is what it is, this is this is the
Speaker 2: reality we live in. Or if twenty sixteen was just
Speaker 2: an aberration. Wow?
Speaker 1: That music?
Speaker 2: That music.
Speaker 1: Oh hot, here, Dan, I know, not just because I'm
Speaker 1: drinking like my third cup of coffee the day, could
Speaker 1: you imagine?
Speaker 2: So I believe was Kenny Loggins featuring Michael McDonald. Wow,
Speaker 2: I mean there are stories Ty they went out. That's
Speaker 2: a lot of white hair right there, man, It's a lot.
Speaker 2: So basically, I'm gonna give you eight items, one after
Speaker 2: the other. We are going to figure out if this
Speaker 2: is it, this is it, this is just the reality
Speaker 2: of college football.
Speaker 1: You're ready for the first one?
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 1: I'm ready here, lay down that track? All right, here
Speaker 1: we go? All right?
Speaker 2: Is Clemson now after two straight National Championship Game appearances,
Speaker 2: one win, a perennial ten and a half plus win
Speaker 2: national Championship game threat is not the reality in which
Speaker 2: we live?
Speaker 1: Is this it? I am gonna say no? Oh interesting?
Speaker 1: Why I am gonna say no? I am very impressed
Speaker 1: by what Dabo Sweeney has done on the recruiting trail.
Speaker 1: Impressed by the program that he's built. It's really tough
Speaker 1: to get to a perennial ten and a half eleven
Speaker 1: win program, very difficult to do. I don't think they're
Speaker 1: too far away from that. But what I need to
Speaker 1: see is what they're able to do now post Deshaun Watson. Okay,
Speaker 1: Sean Watson was really good. They're great all across the field.
Speaker 1: They've got a ton of talent, but Deshaun Watson is
Speaker 1: the reason they won that National Championship game. Above all,
Speaker 1: I want to see what they can do in the
Speaker 1: post Watson era before I'm willing to commit to that.
Speaker 2: But I'm not against it. I'm just I want more data.
Speaker 2: I think that's reasonable, so incoming right now. I mean,
Speaker 2: they have a quarterback situation.
Speaker 1: Nothing.
Speaker 2: I believe high blue hip like Deshaun Watson was as
Speaker 2: a recruit and clearly was as a quarterback himself. Hunter
Speaker 2: Johnson coming in as the true freshman and the second
Speaker 2: best pro style quarterback in the country, a five star
Speaker 2: quarterback coming in. You remember Deshaun Watson started playing as
Speaker 2: a true freshman, and they've got a what sounds like
Speaker 2: a Georgia quarterback coming in. He is from Georgia and
Speaker 2: he does have the you know, the shutdown full cast
Speaker 2: to first name name, Chase Bryce, Chase Bryce. So he
Speaker 2: is also coming in as a blue chipper, a four
Speaker 2: star quarterback. So I tell you this because it feels
Speaker 2: like if you are going to perennially challenge for a
Speaker 2: national championship game, you're gonna need consistent quarterback play and great,
Speaker 2: great year over year defense, even with a ton of
Speaker 2: NFL attrition, which Clemson has proven already. That's part of
Speaker 2: the equation that they can lose a bunch of defensive players,
Speaker 2: key guys to the NFL or to graduation, whatever end
Speaker 2: of eligibility, replenish, reload, and succeed all the same and
Speaker 2: they've got a great defensive coordinator Brent Venables. But the
Speaker 2: quarterback question I think is real. But I'm going to
Speaker 2: say because of the continuity on both sides of the
Speaker 2: ball and the coaching staff, Dabbo's around recruiting, I think
Speaker 2: very well. I wouldn't say at the top of the
Speaker 2: top Florida State still head to them in the ACC
Speaker 2: I am going to say, this is it? Wow? So
Speaker 2: what do we play the sound we play it? Play
Speaker 2: that this is at sound time. Okay, you're saying yes,
Speaker 2: So I've got that Kenny Loggins approval. That's all I need.
Speaker 2: So I'm saying yes. So we disagree early. We do disagree. Here.
Speaker 1: Here's Clemson's schedule for the current or I guess coming season.
Speaker 1: Auburn at home is their game. What second week of
Speaker 1: the year. They go to Louisville, which will be a
Speaker 1: tough place to play. They go to Virginia Tech, which,
Speaker 1: I before Gerard Evans declared his eligibility for the draft,
Speaker 1: looked like it'd be a tougher game. Still could be
Speaker 1: pretty tough, but a tough place to play, right Wlayane Stadium.
Speaker 1: Absolutely got a game here on the road at NC State,
Speaker 1: which is a game that on rare occasions give them
Speaker 1: some issue. Did this pass this past year? Yeah, Florida
Speaker 1: State they get at home, which is a tough, tough
Speaker 1: spot no matter where that game is, go to South
Speaker 1: Carolina to close out the year. South Carolina played well
Speaker 1: down the stretch last year, So I don't know, there's
Speaker 1: a very good chance to get to ten this year.
Speaker 1: But I just I want to see more data about
Speaker 1: how they're gonna look post Deshaan Watson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that Auburn Louisville back to back early on, it's
Speaker 2: gonna be tough. Could see us split there, you know,
Speaker 2: having Lamar Jackson at the Papa.
Speaker 1: I cannot look anything about it at the Papa.
Speaker 2: But yes, the back half of their schedule, getting Florida
Speaker 2: State at home would have been nice to have that
Speaker 2: after a bye week. But yes, I'm saying this is
Speaker 2: a Clemson getting to back to back national championship games
Speaker 2: is such a rare feat outside of basically Alabama that
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with that. Being in it ty, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna stay with this theme.
Speaker 1: Give me some music.
Speaker 2: It's very there. I suit it's sets a mood. It
Speaker 2: does is the ACC Atlantic is the best division in
Speaker 2: college football.
Speaker 1: Is this?
Speaker 2: It is this just the reality in which we live.
Speaker 2: ACC Atlantic as the a savision. Yes, in football, Okay,
Speaker 2: so other contested divisions, I mean, I SEC West, I
Speaker 2: don't think so, Okay, hear me out. The SEC West
Speaker 2: certainly has the big name Cachet and LSU just clobbering
Speaker 2: Louisville in their bowl game certainly is a step back
Speaker 2: for the ACC Atlantic. But here's what I would add.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm sure you're about to make a case for
Speaker 2: the Big Ten East. Bottom of the Big Ten East,
Speaker 2: Michigan State and Rutgers combined for five wins, which is
Speaker 2: the clear lowest of any two teams at the bottom
Speaker 2: of a Power five division. So I think that it's
Speaker 2: it's so top heavy, and I don't think there's enough
Speaker 2: depth there. Indiana had a disappointing year, Maryland, Michigan State, Rutgers.
Speaker 1: That's it. It's not a great foursome. What's interesting actually
Speaker 1: about the the ACC Atlantic is that the team that
Speaker 1: finished last in the ACC Atlantic was Boston College and
Speaker 1: they actually went seven and six.
Speaker 2: Right, they only had one one team with a losing
Speaker 2: record overall, And I know teams will stack their schedule
Speaker 2: and obviously the ACC has four non conference schedules non
Speaker 2: conference games, so that exkews things a bit.
Speaker 1: These arguments are always really hard for me because I
Speaker 1: have a tendency to look at the top and not
Speaker 1: so much examine the depth.
Speaker 2: So the fourth place team was a chip shot field
Speaker 2: goal away from beating the national champion.
Speaker 1: Facts only, ty facts only.
Speaker 2: Syracuse went four and eight wake Forest big bounce back year,
Speaker 2: led by new Notre Dame defensive coordinator. I already forget
Speaker 2: his name, Mike something, Mike Yelko. Yeah, there it is,
Speaker 2: thank you, that's why you're here in Boston. College won
Speaker 2: seven games. Now, I'm not going to it wasn't always
Speaker 2: presser too much by it, right, They went on to
Speaker 2: four against ranked teams. You know, the bottom of that
Speaker 2: division went o seven against ranked teams. I get it,
Speaker 2: but I can't make a compelling case. I can't make it. Well,
Speaker 2: there's no division in the Big twelve, the Big Ten
Speaker 2: West certainly not.
Speaker 1: The only two arguments here that you could counter with
Speaker 1: would be the Big ten East of the SEC West.
Speaker 1: The SEC West has historically been way better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't go as far as saying historically,
Speaker 2: because we've watched a lot of football in the state
Speaker 2: of Mississippi historically has not been great.
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, I'm still going SEC West. At least
Speaker 1: over the last ten years, the SEC West has been
Speaker 1: far and away better than the Sea Atlantic.
Speaker 2: The Big Ten East.
Speaker 1: You can't make that same argument for the Big Ten
Speaker 1: East because I don't think it was until we saw
Speaker 1: the rise of Penn State that everyone started talking about
Speaker 1: the Big Ten East is like this goliath. But I
Speaker 1: do think they're going to have some staying power. We
Speaker 1: know Michigan has recruited well, They've got Jim Horriball, they're
Speaker 1: going to be solid. We know Ohio State with Urban
Speaker 1: Meyer has been playoff quality year in and year out,
Speaker 1: and they've absolutely reloaded pretty much every single year. So
Speaker 1: certainly they're always going to be in the conversation. Penn
Speaker 1: State's done real well for themselves in the recruiting trail.
Speaker 1: They obviously had a renaissance last year. They're not going
Speaker 1: away anytime soon. I think you look around the Big
Speaker 1: ten East, there are some other reasons to be optimistic.
Speaker 1: Certainly not Rutgers, but Maryland has done pretty well in
Speaker 1: the recruit tree, didn't have a great season, actually lost
Speaker 1: to Boston College and in the bowl game. But I
Speaker 1: think there's reason for optimism. Michigan State had a bit
Speaker 1: of an aberration, is Oh, so it's not it for
Speaker 1: Michigan State. It's definitely not it for Michigan State, Okay,
Speaker 1: but I think more of an aberrational on that side.
Speaker 1: I think they will come back. They just lost a
Speaker 1: lot last year, so I would say in a vacuum,
Speaker 1: ACC Atlantic better in twenty sixteen. But if you're going
Speaker 1: to make an argument for them moving forward as the
Speaker 1: best conference in college football, I am not comfortable with
Speaker 1: that assertion. So I'm going to say that it is
Speaker 1: it is not it.
Speaker 2: No, I'm going to agree with you. I don't know
Speaker 2: who it is though, So I right, I honestly. So
Speaker 2: the SEC West, You've got the top of the SEC
Speaker 2: West losing to the top of the Atlantic in Clemson.
Speaker 2: You've got Michigan near the top of the Big Tennies
Speaker 2: losing to the ACC Atlantic, and Florida State in their
Speaker 2: bowl game, Louisville losing to LSU in their bowl game.
Speaker 2: But the rest, I think it's a nice story, and
Speaker 2: you can start to talk me into and then I
Speaker 2: will quickly cut you off the coastal as being sort
Speaker 2: of deep and interesting. But they lose so much in
Speaker 2: the way of quarterbacks that it's really really hard to know.
Speaker 2: PAC twelve North would have had an argument before last
Speaker 2: year because of emerging Washington, Oregon Stanford col producing a
Speaker 2: big quarterback in Jared Goff the year before. But I
Speaker 2: just and obviously Luke Fox and Washington State ac quitting
Speaker 2: themselves very nicely. But at this point you have Ole
Speaker 2: miss going Downssissippi State trending slightly in the upward direction, Arkansas.
Speaker 1: Let's leave it at this.
Speaker 2: Let's leave it at this.
Speaker 1: Please. It's much easier to make the argument for twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen ACC Atlantic than it is twenty seventeen ACC Atlantic,
Speaker 1: And I think for that reason, I am inclined to
Speaker 1: say that this is not it, at least not yet.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm reversing, just because I can't find
Speaker 2: anyone to be conclusively better ACC Atlantic.
Speaker 1: This is it.
Speaker 2: Wow. You just want to hear that sound, don't you?
Speaker 2: Of course I do. All right, where we going next?
Speaker 2: All right, next, We're gonna go group of five.
Speaker 1: So we get emails, we get requests like Why don't
Speaker 1: you guys talk about group of five?
Speaker 2: Do some group of five fantasy stuff? I don't know
Speaker 2: if we're gonna go that far, but held on, Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: go ahead.
Speaker 1: Here it is.
Speaker 2: Is the American Athletic Conference the best group of five
Speaker 2: conference even without Matt rule. Well, Tom Herman and I.
Speaker 1: Should add Tommy Tubbervell or Bob Diaco in his beautiful hair. Right.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna set some fires with this one, aren't we.
Speaker 1: So we have the AAC. So this is talent. This
Speaker 1: is not an argument we can win. Regardless of how
Speaker 1: we present our arguments here, we will inevitably get emails
Speaker 1: about this one. People already be pissed off here no
Speaker 1: matter what we no matter what we say. So okay,
Speaker 1: you go first.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make the case here Temple good amount of
Speaker 2: and some returning talent in uh and I like Jeff Collins.
Speaker 2: I like that higher. The defense shouldn't take too far,
Speaker 2: if not any of a step back South Florida. I
Speaker 2: imagine the defense, which was the issue last year, it
Speaker 2: will get significantly better with Charlie Strong and bringing back
Speaker 2: a ton everywhere, including Quintin Flowers. You know, one of
Speaker 2: the most dynamic playmakers in the country Cincinnati, who knows
Speaker 2: UCF you have to assume improvement. Scott Frost turned them
Speaker 2: around pretty quickly at least to get them back to respectability.
Speaker 2: Yukon and Reht lastly running the offense there. Now you know,
Speaker 2: I guess obviously they're going back to a dream job
Speaker 2: or at a head coach ken Yu Modalolo is as
Speaker 2: consistent as it gets at Navy Tulsa and Philip Montgomery
Speaker 2: I like a lot Houston. I will imagine there will
Speaker 2: be continuity in the short term because of the success recruiting,
Speaker 2: and I think SMU and Chad Morris are only on
Speaker 2: a positive trajectory at the moment. So I'm going to say,
Speaker 2: and I think their only real competition is the Mountain West,
Speaker 2: who I also like. I'm going to say, yes, this
Speaker 2: is it. The AAC remains the top group of five conference.
Speaker 2: I'm going to wait to play that sound okay until
Speaker 2: you're response because because I agree.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I agree with you, Dan, Okay, Why I
Speaker 1: agree with you. I'm looking over the roster of teams
Speaker 1: in both all right, Now, again, everything's relative. I think
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years there are more teams
Speaker 1: in the AAC that I think could knock off a
Speaker 1: Power five than if I'm looking at the Mountain West. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, I feel like South Florida with Charlie Strong
Speaker 1: can probably do some damage, you know. I feel like
Speaker 1: Temple could do some damage. East Carolina until recently was
Speaker 1: a team that could knock you off. Navy has actually
Speaker 1: absolutely been pretty good. Houston was good. You mentioned Tulsa.
Speaker 1: Memphis has had some good seasons. All right. They did
Speaker 1: extremely well this season despite losing justin fu wenteoe.
Speaker 2: I feel like.
Speaker 1: The depth of teams in the AAC is a little
Speaker 1: bit more ferocious than in the Mountain West, where if
Speaker 1: you look at it, you have You've always got Boise
Speaker 1: State right, ten wins again this year, Wyoming had a
Speaker 1: good season. I don't know if I'm terribly concerned about
Speaker 1: Wyoming knocking me up.
Speaker 2: They bring back Josh Allen right or back, who people
Speaker 2: thought had NFL ability.
Speaker 1: New Mexico had a problem throwing the football. They could
Speaker 1: do was run decent.
Speaker 2: Nine win New Mexico though, Tye.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fine. I'll take a ten and three. Air
Speaker 1: Force as air Force was dangerous. Colorado State Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: Utah State.
Speaker 2: Eh.
Speaker 1: This past season, San Diego State had a down year,
Speaker 1: sure down year. San Diego State eleven wins. Hawaii wasn't impressed.
Speaker 1: In Jose State was not impressed. Nevada UNLV Fresno State
Speaker 1: was not impressed. So I just feel like the depth
Speaker 1: is there with the AAC. I think it will continue
Speaker 1: to be there. And that is why I'm saying.
Speaker 2: This is it. I think you're not giving them Mountain
Speaker 2: West enough credit. I think it's a little bit closer.
Speaker 2: San Diego State went eleve th three and Donnelle Pump
Speaker 2: forgets the attention and you know, is moving on as
Speaker 2: like an all time great. Their defense was so damn good.
Speaker 2: This was as and the improvement. Where was Hawaii two
Speaker 2: three years ago? There were nothing? Chow drove them into
Speaker 2: the ocean and they went seven and seven. First year
Speaker 2: coach Nick Rolovitch, you wouldn't let players sit down, Okay,
Speaker 2: Bob Davey New Mexico nine win, New Mexico.
Speaker 1: Where were they? I love the Mountain West. I love
Speaker 1: the mount West football shout out to Jeremy Moss. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, lay down that track for me.
Speaker 2: It's very sexy. I know it really is because this
Speaker 2: item is the Big Twelve continuing to go through.
Speaker 1: The state of Oklahoma to win it. Wow, this is
Speaker 1: the Big Well really coming back to how do we
Speaker 1: all feel about Texas, isn't it? Well?
Speaker 2: How do you feel about Texas? How do you feel
Speaker 2: about TCU? How do you feel about improving Kansas? How
Speaker 2: do you feel about the wizardry of get well ozoned?
Speaker 2: Bill Snyder? Yeah, okay, this is coming back for Kansas.
Speaker 2: They return a lot Kansas state, all right, So here
Speaker 2: are your options here? You didn't say Oklahoma sooners, he said,
Speaker 2: the state of Oklahoma, the state of because there has
Speaker 2: recently been a ton riding on that Bedlam game.
Speaker 1: All right, So let's go through m hm. How many
Speaker 1: states are involved here in the Big twelve. We've got
Speaker 1: the great state of Oklahoma, of course, right. We've got
Speaker 1: the great state of West Virginia, the Mountaineer state borders
Speaker 1: my state of Pennsylvania. We've got Kansas, great state of Kansas,
Speaker 1: the Sunflower State, I believe, Okay, capital Topeka between k
Speaker 1: state and Kansas. We've also got Iowa, yep.
Speaker 2: In Iowa State.
Speaker 1: And then we've got Texas with TCU Texas, Texas Tech,
Speaker 1: and Baylor. HM, so I think we can start picking
Speaker 1: teams off right away. It's not gonna be Baylor, it's
Speaker 1: not gonna be Texas Tech. So that leaves two teams
Speaker 1: in the great state of Texas. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: going to run through West Virginia. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: going to run through Kansas, and I certainly don't think
Speaker 1: it's going to run through Iowa, which means that it
Speaker 1: comes down to either Oklahoma or Texas, as it often
Speaker 1: does in the Big Twelve. I feel at this point
Speaker 1: that there is much more continuity on the Oklahoma Oklahoma
Speaker 1: state side than I do on the TCU slash Texas
Speaker 1: side of things. So gun to my head, at this point,
Speaker 1: the safer bet is clearly Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: It's not as sure a bet.
Speaker 1: On the Oklahoma side as I'd like it to be
Speaker 1: to feel truly comfortable about it.
Speaker 2: It runs through the state of Oklahoma, that is. I'm
Speaker 2: not just saying twenty seventeen. I'm just saying, this is
Speaker 2: the reality of the Big twelve. Oh reality, Wow, the reality.
Speaker 1: This is it. This is where we are in life.
Speaker 1: I gotta believe Tom Herman is going to build up Texas.
Speaker 1: But I feel like we've said that the last like
Speaker 1: eight years about Texas. Oh there's still right. That's been
Speaker 1: the tagline for me. Texas is still Texas. Oh, don't worry,
Speaker 1: they'll be back. They haven't been back. Dan, it should
Speaker 1: be easier.
Speaker 2: I realize it should be something to note though Bedlam
Speaker 2: November fourth this coming year, it is not the final
Speaker 2: week of the season. I think the state will be hosting.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a championship game I believe so technically
Speaker 2: it will be going through the state of Texas. But
Speaker 2: in terms of the top of the conference. I like
Speaker 2: West Virginia a little bit. I like West Virginia. West
Speaker 2: Virginia has I think country roads taking you home.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 2: I listen big Bill Greer, okay stepping in in Morgantown
Speaker 2: at some point, who even knows. But they finished the
Speaker 2: season in Norman. They've got Texas in West Virginia. I mean,
Speaker 2: Texas is going to be in Morgantown. They're on the
Speaker 2: road in Manhattan, which is where good teams go to die.
Speaker 2: We know that this is fact, but they have Oklahoma
Speaker 2: State in Morgantown. It's a good year to go to
Speaker 2: McLean and play Baylor. They have Texas Tech in Morgantown
Speaker 2: with a new quarterback. They do go to AM and
Speaker 2: g Carter. I think West Virginia is going to be
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a fun team defense take another step
Speaker 2: forward last year. There's continuity in Morgantown, which is very
Speaker 2: strange to say.
Speaker 1: But do you think it's going to run through West
Speaker 1: Virginia forever more?
Speaker 2: I don't know, that's the question. I think now the
Speaker 2: question is Oklahoma. It's not West the state of so
Speaker 2: the state is Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: I say, yes, this is the reality. This is it.
Speaker 2: I say it's it too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is me bucking the trend here, by the way,
Speaker 1: I like it. The trend for me has always been
Speaker 1: to go pro Texas. So for me to say this
Speaker 1: represents a turning over, a new, big change. I appreciate it, all.
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Speaker 2: I believe Chinese. I'm not talking about dumplings in soup. TI.
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Speaker 2: dumpling into your mouth. It's more it's sort of like
Speaker 2: a noodle pouch that has broth inside of it.
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Speaker 1: of dumplings. Yeah, of course, I did not assume the
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Speaker 2: it's trapped in there pretty well. It's sealed in by
Speaker 2: the noodle dumpling noodle. And sometimes you'll see like, you know,
Speaker 2: a pork broth, a chicken broth, you know, crab broth.
Speaker 1: Soup dumplings.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's a weird sensation. They're wonderful. So the answer
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Speaker 2: Next time you're in New York, we're against some soupy dumps.
Speaker 2: Where are we going next?
Speaker 1: Next item? Tie lay down that track.
Speaker 2: Ty is the reality in which we live, a reality
Speaker 2: in which Michigan is the perennial bridesmaid. Is Michigan the
Speaker 2: perennial bridesmaid? Is Michigan going to continue to come up
Speaker 2: just short in their own division, conference, and national stage
Speaker 2: and not compete for huge bowl wins? And yes, the
Speaker 2: Orange Bowl is a thing. I'm saying Bigger than that,
Speaker 2: I'm saying winning the conference getting to the playoff is
Speaker 2: Michigan as they are currently constituted, and as they project forward,
Speaker 2: a team that is very good but not cracking great.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Jim Harbaugh has a winning record
Speaker 2: against rank teams. I might have to look that up.
Speaker 2: It's not great. Perennially is a long time.
Speaker 1: Okay. I'm not comfortable saying perennially because I do believe
Speaker 1: that before long, Jim Harbaugh is going to have them,
Speaker 1: have them perin.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm saying the reality is right now, they're
Speaker 2: a bridesmaid of sorts.
Speaker 1: The reality in the current moment, though, is yes, and
Speaker 1: there are a lot of questions about where that team goes.
Speaker 1: They certainly lose a lot of talent. There are questions,
Speaker 1: I think more immediately at quarterback wide open battle, I
Speaker 1: would say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where does the offense go?
Speaker 1: So for that reason, I'm inclined to say in the
Speaker 1: short term anyway, the bridesmaid thing probably holds. But perennially,
Speaker 1: assuming Jim Harbaughs sticks around for longer than like four years,
Speaker 1: I would expect that they would be competing at a
Speaker 1: very high level. So I'm not comfortable calling them a
Speaker 1: bridesmaid for any period of time beyond twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: I only say bride'smaid in terms of them being very
Speaker 2: very good, but not great. And this year was a
Speaker 2: relatively fortunate schedule early on and then tests a little
Speaker 2: bit later and faltered. They have a bit of a
Speaker 2: rebuilding project. Yeah, with an open quarterback battle, the offensive
Speaker 2: line needs to be rebuilt. They lose a ton of
Speaker 2: big contributors on defense, particularly in the back end Pepper's
Speaker 2: and Jordan Lewis Jake, but excuse me on offense and
Speaker 2: a couple big receivers gone. I'm going to say with
Speaker 2: how well Ohio State is recruiting and the promise of
Speaker 2: Ohio State scoring multiple points in a bowl game, moving forward.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say right now, it is hard for
Speaker 2: me to with confidence and authority say that the reality
Speaker 2: of Michigan as a bridesmaid will change. So I'm going
Speaker 2: to say once again, this is it. You just want
Speaker 2: to hear the sound. Maybe maybe not.
Speaker 1: I think in the short term the bride'smaid thing holds.
Speaker 1: But beyond twenty seventeen, yeah, a lot can go wrong.
Speaker 1: A lot can go wrong. At some point, Ohio State
Speaker 1: is going to have to change out their quarterback. Now
Speaker 1: that's not to say JT. Barrett did them a whole
Speaker 1: lot of favors in twenty sixteen, but at some point
Speaker 1: they're going to have some turnover. You just you never know.
Speaker 1: Penn State, I still feel like seeing things can go
Speaker 1: south for Trace McSorley, depending on how the composition of
Speaker 1: that offense changes beyond twenty seventeen. So I don't know
Speaker 1: where Joe Moo is going to be in a couple
Speaker 1: of years. Joemo Saquon has probably gone after a year.
Speaker 1: They have rebuilt the offensive line, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: There are still too many moving parts in the Big
Speaker 1: Ten East for me to feel like I want to,
Speaker 1: you know, call Michigan a perennial bridesmaid.
Speaker 2: So no, it is nice. And we should note that
Speaker 2: neither one of us mentioned Michigan state, which is fantasy
Speaker 2: things points for me twenty seventeen. We've already established that
Speaker 2: I've won that. But this is true, and take it
Speaker 2: from me real life experience. I am marrying a perennial
Speaker 2: Michigan bridesmaid. So she's been a bridesmaid like twelve times,
Speaker 2: and she found her night in shining plaid. I wear
Speaker 2: a lot of plaid, so this could be the year.
Speaker 2: Then twenty seven could be the year. Absolutely, So who
Speaker 2: am I to say that would favor my side of
Speaker 2: the argument. Then this is true? Yeah, okay, now okay,
Speaker 2: next lay down that track. Washington Washington Huskies are a
Speaker 2: perennial Pac twelve contender and every three to four year
Speaker 2: playoff team. Ooh, is this a reality in which we live?
Speaker 2: Every three to four years a playoff team? So basically
Speaker 2: like Oregon was in the Pac twelve North, competing for
Speaker 2: the conference a year and a year out dominating to
Speaker 2: a certain extent, and I believe Oregon made two national
Speaker 2: championship appearances, would have made a playoff appearance in twenty
Speaker 2: ten had it existed then, but in that sort of
Speaker 2: range of maybe flopping with USC or Stanford kind of thing.
Speaker 1: All right, So here, I think is a cruel reality
Speaker 1: of college football. It is very difficult to be Alabama
Speaker 1: or Ohio State. Yeah, Alabama and Ohio State. If you
Speaker 1: look at what they've done recently, those are the two
Speaker 1: best teams in college football, right two best programs in
Speaker 1: college football. Let's say, two healthiest programs right now in terms. Man,
Speaker 1: I don't know how you leave Clemson two straight National
Speaker 1: Championship Game appearances.
Speaker 2: Clemson's in the discussion for sure.
Speaker 1: Man, I just okay, all right, I would put them
Speaker 1: third personally, not because they didn't get to that game,
Speaker 1: but because I feel like urban Meyer, Nick Saban, they
Speaker 1: will outlast everybody. Okay, so they're like, maybe that's a
Speaker 1: bad argument, but apocalyptic twinkies, that's right, thank you. They're
Speaker 1: gonna survive.
Speaker 2: Thank you, my ealyptic twinkies. Okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't feel like Washington is quite in that
Speaker 1: discussion yet.
Speaker 2: They could get there. They could get there.
Speaker 1: Chris Peterson is a very very talented head football coach.
Speaker 1: He's a brilliant mind. He's won everywhere he's been. I
Speaker 1: am not ready to commit to them being on that
Speaker 1: normal rotation. They will definitely be more competitive than we've
Speaker 1: seen at any point in maybe the last twenty years
Speaker 1: Washington football, but every three to four years competing for
Speaker 1: a playoff spot, that to me is a bridge too far.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to see no. I'm to see no.
Speaker 2: I am going to say in terms of development and
Speaker 2: coaching and identification of talent, I think the parameters are
Speaker 2: there to do so. I think the first part is true.
Speaker 2: I don't think the second part is true. The playoff
Speaker 2: thing is where I have some trouble. I think they're
Speaker 2: going to be a perennial Pac twelve contender. I think
Speaker 2: they win ten games more often than not, as long
Speaker 2: as Chris Peterson is in Seattle. My problem with Washington
Speaker 2: is I question the talent and depth they'll be able
Speaker 2: to build to be at or near the top nationally
Speaker 2: for three to four years. Because as good as you
Speaker 2: know talent is on the West Coast, I still think
Speaker 2: they're competing against a Stanford staff that you know, may
Speaker 2: have put together the most pound four pound talented class
Speaker 2: in the country. The only thing I like twelve recruits
Speaker 2: or something like that, but just a ridiculous class that's
Speaker 2: going to be tough for them. I don't think Oregon
Speaker 2: is a four to eight team moving forward, and that
Speaker 2: is just going to be a difficulty. They've still lost
Speaker 2: whatever it is, thirteen or fourteen to Oregon, and there's
Speaker 2: a lot of talent in Eugene. Washington State is a
Speaker 2: tricky team. And then you have a USC team that
Speaker 2: you know, at least for the next year, has a
Speaker 2: Heisman caliber quarterback and they're recruiting on a crazy level.
Speaker 2: I think the Pac twelve that there's enough parody there
Speaker 2: that it's hard to confidently say the second part of
Speaker 2: that is true.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to say this is not it. Is
Speaker 1: there another conference in college football that presents as varied
Speaker 1: a threat from week to week as the Pac twelve.
Speaker 1: That's part of my issue with right really christening anyone
Speaker 1: in the PAC twelve in this you know, perennial contender category. Sure,
Speaker 1: you've got a team like Wazoo, which is going to
Speaker 1: spread you out and go air raid, and you've got
Speaker 1: a team like Stanford, which is just going to try
Speaker 1: and beat your brains in. You've got a team like
Speaker 1: Oregon which at least in recent tradition, has been very spread,
Speaker 1: almost a little run pass option oriented. You've got USC,
Speaker 1: which is very pro style. You've got Utah, which just
Speaker 1: beats your brains in with defense. USC's movement has moved
Speaker 1: away from sort of pro style recently with Sam Darnold.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you get the point.
Speaker 1: Just a very threat from week to week that's really
Speaker 1: tough to prepare for. And so even if you've got
Speaker 1: the most talent in the world, there's always that threat
Speaker 1: that if you got someone on the road, after a
Speaker 1: team like a Stanford, after a team like a Utah,
Speaker 1: even a USC or an Oregon, some team can jump
Speaker 1: up and snipe you. So it's tough for me to
Speaker 1: commit to that for pretty much anybody in college football,
Speaker 1: but certainly in a conference like the Pac twelve, where
Speaker 1: it's it's very easy to drop a game when you
Speaker 1: least expect it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would also say in the Pac twelve, I
Speaker 2: think more than any other conference. Maybe I'm wrong about this,
Speaker 2: but this is my general feeling. Every team seems too
Speaker 2: you have, maybe with the exception of Oregon State had
Speaker 2: a very good recent quarterback, So it feels like you're
Speaker 2: always going to get some sort of combination of two
Speaker 2: or three straight games with very good quarterback play year
Speaker 2: and a year out that I don't see in other
Speaker 2: conferences necessarily. But maybe it's just a West Coast bias thing.
Speaker 2: I'm totally open to that, but that's my feeling.
Speaker 1: There are no games that you can sleep on in
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve, sure, so I think we're in agreement
Speaker 1: here in No. The only other point that I would add, Dan,
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Speaker 1: Sure that sounds. How's your sleep been recently? Tie?
Speaker 2: Awful?
Speaker 1: What is going on with you?
Speaker 2: Ty? I never sleep?
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Speaker 2: The SEC East will just remain blah and nothing and
Speaker 2: not interesting and not really improve top to bottom.
Speaker 1: By the way, in this soundclip the way here at got,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, play if you play it clean, I
Speaker 1: won't talk over it. You can hear it.
Speaker 2: There is there, it is there, it is there?
Speaker 1: Was you tell no lies?
Speaker 2: All right? What was the question again? I'm sorry, I got,
Speaker 2: I got. The SEC East remains just totally underwhelming.
Speaker 1: I don't even even think about that. Yeah, Oh it's wonderful.
Speaker 1: Should I go, Max Kellerman? Next topic here? Next topic?
Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's give this. It's due the teams
Speaker 1: in the SEC East. For those of you playing along
Speaker 1: at home, We've got Florida, Tennessee, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Vandy.
Speaker 2: And Missou. I am Florida.
Speaker 1: Finished very strongly on the recruiting trail. There was a
Speaker 1: lot of doubt about how Florida was going to do
Speaker 1: in recruiting, and there's a fair amount of internet commentary
Speaker 1: about how they have underwhelmed on that front. Now, they
Speaker 1: did close in a very strong fashion, so we'll give
Speaker 1: them benefit of the doubt. But so far anyway, it
Speaker 1: seems as if they've had some trouble building up an offense.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna wait to reserve judgment on Florida. Defensively,
Speaker 1: the been very stout, but offensively they've underwhelmed, so I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not feeling in on the On the Florida front,
Speaker 1: Tennessee loses a fair amount, and I think it's not
Speaker 1: without reason that people have doubted whether or not Butch
Speaker 1: Jones can win the big one, whether or not he
Speaker 1: can take this program to the next level. Georgia, you
Speaker 1: might remember, just fired their coach two years ago. I
Speaker 1: happen to like Kirby Smart, happened to like what he's
Speaker 1: done on the recruiting trail, and I really like Jacob Eason.
Speaker 1: But if the only team that I really feel good
Speaker 1: about in the SEC East is Georgia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not getting I'm not getting worked up, especially
Speaker 2: because I tend to look at quarterback and South Carolina
Speaker 2: has a promising quarterback situation, so there's upward trajectory. There
Speaker 2: some upward trajectory from Vandy, Kentucky, Tennessee, Florida. I just
Speaker 2: I'm not feeling too much, even if there's decent enough
Speaker 2: quarterback play about these teams as a whole. Georgia improving.
Speaker 2: But we'll see what Jacob E's in, big arm, big talent.
Speaker 2: They've got Jake from State Farm coming in. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: going to say, this is it, This is just this
Speaker 2: is what we got. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: We agree and you just love that sound, but I do.
Speaker 1: I said it was not it last time. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: here is the bug in the ointment though, Hey me,
Speaker 1: you said underwhelmed. Underwhelm's a relative term. Life is nothing
Speaker 1: if not expectation based.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: You go into a movie, you don't know what it's about,
Speaker 1: you don't have any expectations for it. More often than that,
Speaker 1: you come out feeling like, yeah, I just saw a
Speaker 1: good movie. Mm hm.
Speaker 2: The question is because the bar has been so low
Speaker 2: for the.
Speaker 1: Sec East, Now, what is your threshold for being underwhelmed.
Speaker 2: I want three good teams, Okay, given the talent in
Speaker 2: the area in the Southeast, given what they bring in,
Speaker 2: given how much they're paying their coaches and the staffs,
Speaker 2: I want three good teams, right, that's not too much
Speaker 2: to ask, no, And also, look at the West right now,
Speaker 2: you have Alabama great, you have Auburn turnover. You have
Speaker 2: LSU turnover and underwhelming quarter back play. Auburn with Jared
Speaker 2: Stidham should be better. Texts A and M totally up
Speaker 2: in the air. Arkansas, you have no idea what you're getting.
Speaker 2: Mississippi State they're fine, they're not Mississippi State with dak
Speaker 2: Ole miss took a big step back last year, a
Speaker 2: really awful recruiting class, and they're up in the air
Speaker 2: as well. So this would be a year or reality
Speaker 2: in the short term for the SEC eas to make
Speaker 2: a move. So that's why there is optimism within the
Speaker 2: context of the conference. I just I'm not getting worked up. Ty, Okay,
Speaker 2: what else we got one? I've got one final situation.
Speaker 1: There. It is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oregon and Notre Dame, oh God, are behind the
Speaker 2: national pack, period.
Speaker 1: And that is the reality in which we live.
Speaker 2: Behind the pack. Yes, two teams that went four and eight.
Speaker 2: In case you missed it, twenty sixteen, Oregon made a change.
Speaker 2: Notre Dame made many changes on the staff, but not
Speaker 2: at the top. Oregon and Notre Dame are just behind
Speaker 2: the National power Pack. After being in the conversation for
Speaker 2: a good amount of time.
Speaker 1: All right, so the National power Pack, are we going
Speaker 1: to assume that's the top ten team.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say top fifteen to twenty. Okay, So both
Speaker 2: of these teams bringing in a ton of new faces,
Speaker 2: Oregon more so on the coaching side, and return a
Speaker 2: ton on the field, but that also means very bad defense.
Speaker 2: And even in the short term in the next two
Speaker 2: three years, it's hard to sort of point to specific relief.
Speaker 2: Notre Dame maybe more of.
Speaker 1: A cultural ment meltdown, a little distrust between the coaches
Speaker 1: and players and vice versa. Bringing in new quarterback after
Speaker 1: Deshaun Kaiser declares for the draft, defense takes a big
Speaker 1: step back, but an infusion of new blood and scheme
Speaker 1: and culture is what's hoped for in South Bend.
Speaker 2: Wow, this is an excellent question, Dan Yea, because as
Speaker 2: we both know, it doesn't take much to slip it
Speaker 2: doesn't in college football, it doesn't. So I think we
Speaker 2: had two different circumstances this year. Oregon had declined.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they really caught you by surprise, right,
Speaker 1: You had kind of been reading the writing on the wall,
Speaker 1: for we knew the defense a while it was in
Speaker 1: a We knew the defense was in a very bad place.
Speaker 1: And you were never sold on Mark Helfrich as a
Speaker 1: head football coach. He was never like the second coming
Speaker 1: of Chip Kelly. Correct, So it didn't really catch you
Speaker 1: by surprise. What happened at Notre Dame caught a lot
Speaker 1: of folks by surprise, myself included even people that follow
Speaker 1: Notre Dame football. I think there was an expectation that
Speaker 1: the defense could take a step back, that the offense
Speaker 1: could have a bit of a feeling out period. But
Speaker 1: the degree to which Notre Dame imploded was something that
Speaker 1: really caught people flat footed. As part of the reason
Speaker 1: why the four and eight joke is still kind of funny. Right,
Speaker 1: So these are two programs that are in different situations.
Speaker 2: I feel like there is still.
Speaker 1: Enough place at Notre Dame talent wise that they can
Speaker 1: kind of pick up where they left off the year
Speaker 1: prior and find their way back into the top fifteen
Speaker 1: this coming season. Oregon, Dan, you got to tell me, Oregon,
Speaker 1: it feels like, structurally, in terms of talent, in terms
Speaker 1: of schematics, logistics, you name it, it feels like there
Speaker 1: might have been more wrong on the Oregon side than
Speaker 1: on the Notre Dame side, which just kind of went
Speaker 1: boom all at once. Yeah, Oregon, culturally it was sort
Speaker 1: of a mess, and that was the sort of understated
Speaker 1: story of the past couple of years. And Vernon Adams
Speaker 1: did a really good job turning the offense into something
Speaker 1: pretty big a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: But this past year, true freshman quarterbacks surrounded by a
Speaker 2: lot of talent. There's the offense is loaded. Oregon's offense
Speaker 2: coming back this year. They basically because their starting left
Speaker 2: tackle got hurt pretty early on. They returned five starting
Speaker 2: offensive linemen, which is a good place to be in.
Speaker 2: And it's Mario Crystobal, who is a very very good
Speaker 2: offensive line coach, you know, a nationally I think associate whatever.
Speaker 2: They return a ton of skill talent, including Royce Freeman.
Speaker 2: They've got a starting quarterback and Justin Herbert. Defensively, there's
Speaker 2: still a mess. There's not much good about the defense
Speaker 2: other than the fact that it is starting from scratch
Speaker 2: with Jim Levitt going back to A three to four,
Speaker 2: which they are better suited for because what they were
Speaker 2: really bad running A three to four of the year
Speaker 2: before under Don Pelham. So I think it's fair to
Speaker 2: assume that they will be much improved. But I can't
Speaker 2: say with authority right now looking at both of these rosters,
Speaker 2: Notre Dames, which you obviously know better, in Organs, which
Speaker 2: I know better. Right now, the reality is Notre Dame
Speaker 2: and Oregon, given the questions, given the new faces, and
Speaker 2: the uncertainty, I'm going to say this is the reality.
Speaker 1: This is it. They're behind. I don't feel like Notre
Speaker 1: Dame is behind quite yet, okay, but there is limitless
Speaker 1: potential for them to fall behindding how twenty seventeen goes,
Speaker 1: this is a very discussible situation for Notre Dame. I
Speaker 1: happen to think they will be okay, and I think
Speaker 1: they've got the talent to be top fifteen Oregon. I
Speaker 1: feel like with a new coach to call them top
Speaker 1: fifteen for twenty seventeen, I'm not feeling that.
Speaker 2: Maybe how many confidence games? How many confidence games do
Speaker 2: you have?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think Oregon finished like number twenty one or something
Speaker 2: like that and go eight befour or whatever. How many
Speaker 2: confidence games do you have about Notre Dame right now?
Speaker 2: Because I count confidence two and a half three games
Speaker 2: where I can say with authority Notre Dame one percent
Speaker 2: should win. And that's Boston College, Miami of Ohio, and
Speaker 2: some combination of NC State or Wake Forest. All right,
Speaker 2: read it off to me.
Speaker 1: Read the schedule off to me.
Speaker 2: In twenty seven. So so we have at home to
Speaker 2: start the season, Temple and then Georgia.
Speaker 1: Okay, Georgia is a tough game.
Speaker 2: Those are I'm not going to confidently say that Temple is,
Speaker 2: you know, going down to Notre Dame. Temple almost beat
Speaker 2: Penn State last year. That should be a win. Okay,
Speaker 2: you're more confident than I am at Boston College, at
Speaker 2: Michigan State, which Notre Dame barely, not barely, they got by.
Speaker 1: They didn't get by in Michigan State.
Speaker 2: At North Carolina new quarterback, but Carolina has been a
Speaker 2: pretty decent program. USC at home, I don't have much
Speaker 2: confidence there. They're at Miami. It'll be good game. I
Speaker 2: just the confidence isn't there for me? Navy who can
Speaker 2: say with confidence about that? And at Stanford I would
Speaker 2: be shocked if they went ten and two. I would
Speaker 2: probably be shocked at ten and two as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I feel like the talent is there for
Speaker 1: them to potentially do it here. And like I said,
Speaker 1: there was less wrong with Notre Dame structurally than there
Speaker 1: was at Oregon. sEH, I'm the twine to say this
Speaker 1: is not it. I feel more confident in Notre Dame
Speaker 1: getting there, not falling behind the pack than I do Oregon.
Speaker 2: All Right, this is not it, Dan, we disagreed. Disagree
Speaker 2: more if I made side before we conclude this episode,
Speaker 2: unless you want it to add anything. If no, no, no
Speaker 2: quick post game go ahead.
Speaker 1: This is it.
Speaker 2: I'd like to I'm not going to change. I'm going
Speaker 2: to clarify my statements about Cake, a love of heated opinions,
Speaker 2: A lot of heated opinions.
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Speaker 2: I mentioned that at my wedding I'll be serving donuts
Speaker 2: I think from a wall instead of wedding cake because
Speaker 2: it is my opinion that cake is trash. Cake is
Speaker 2: for children's birthday parties and uncreative weddings.
Speaker 1: That's me. That's what my thought is.
Speaker 2: Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but I will say
Speaker 2: this about cake. There are certain kinds of cake, especially
Speaker 2: the ones that are frostingless or limited to sort of glazes,
Speaker 2: like your kingcake that's found in New Orleans around Marty
Speaker 2: Grot time, some of your bunts I can get down
Speaker 2: with where it's just sort of like there's a little
Speaker 2: bit of icing dripping down, a little maybe TRANSLUCENTI ish,
Speaker 2: what about cheesecake, sort of a hybrid kind of cake.
Speaker 2: Cheesecake is fine, I don't need it in my life, Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, but if cheesecake is placed in front of me,
Speaker 2: sure I'll have some cheese.
Speaker 1: Here. A cake hedger right now is what I'm hearing.
Speaker 1: I'm here, a little bit of a cake, A tea cake,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever had tea cake, be
Speaker 1: very good. A crumb cake, coffee cake, that kind of
Speaker 1: thing I'm down with. So this is like the Bubba
Speaker 1: scene now in Forrest Gump, where you're listing to all
Speaker 1: the kinds of cake, but your standard issue wedding cake,
Speaker 1: supermarket cake, rectanglear circle covered in frosting with things written
Speaker 1: on top, and your sort of floury icing ribbons surrounding everything.
Speaker 1: I don't think that that has any place in American society. Listen,
Speaker 1: I don't care how you feel about cake. What I
Speaker 1: care about, as your co host of many years now
Speaker 1: and more importantly your friend, is how you came to
Speaker 1: the conclusion that you needed to clarify your comments because
Speaker 1: there's only two options here. Option A, right is that
Speaker 1: you took guph for this on Twitter or via email
Speaker 1: or wherever. Option B is that you are an obsessed
Speaker 1: foodie who thought about this for the last seven days.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this was only yesterday that I thought about it.
Speaker 2: I have gotten mostly overwhelming positivity about donuts over cake.
Speaker 2: I was surprised by that, but I did see that
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: So I've gotten overwhelming positivity.
Speaker 2: But as somebody who wants to remain as honorable and
Speaker 2: truthful to foods is humanly possible, I wanted to clarify
Speaker 2: because it's not fair for me to put out there
Speaker 2: that I don't like cake and to have people out
Speaker 2: there listening to this show and think.
Speaker 1: How does Dan not like kingcake? How does Dan not
Speaker 1: like crumb cake? How does Dan not like a good
Speaker 1: bunt that keeps me up at night? Tie? I do
Speaker 1: not want to project the wrong image of myself. I'm
Speaker 1: still not totally sold in this donut wall idea. Dan,
Speaker 1: I got to be How are you not sold? I'm
Speaker 1: not sold on it? What kind of donuts do you like?
Speaker 1: It's not about liking donuts, It's more about the sanitary situation.
Speaker 1: The sanitary I need to see it in action. I'm
Speaker 1: going to wait to reserve judgment right now. I've seen
Speaker 1: pictures by going what side is this Pinterest? I'm on
Speaker 1: Pinterest now with a donut wall. Okay, I need to
Speaker 1: see it in action here. I want to see I
Speaker 1: want to see the setting. I want to see how
Speaker 1: it adds to the environment.
Speaker 2: Before I're willing to eat cake that's sitting on a
Speaker 2: table all night.
Speaker 1: If you're not willing to eat a donut that's sitting
Speaker 1: on a peg, cake is sliced up by a designated
Speaker 1: cake slicer, presumably somebody hands all over your presumably somebody
Speaker 1: who works at the venue donuts you could be have.
Speaker 1: You could have people going up their window shopping. Do
Speaker 1: I want the glazed don't? I'm going to put it
Speaker 1: back and get the sprinkles. I just need to see
Speaker 1: you're not your action level with the donut wall before
Speaker 1: I commit to it.
Speaker 2: I imagine the people at my wedding tie. I am
Speaker 2: an upper crust kind of fella. Food wise, sure we're
Speaker 2: not going to be having HOI POLOI touch and stuff.
Speaker 1: All right. I actually I shouldn't say that. There's all
Speaker 1: sorts of weird oo's on both. Is there going to
Speaker 1: be alcohol at your wedding? Because if so, you can't
Speaker 1: rule it out, you can't hold it out. I'm sorry, Ty,
Speaker 1: these are all fair points. And I believe we will
Speaker 1: have an auxiliary dessert table if you don't want to
Speaker 1: chance it. I believe there will be an auxiliary cookie
Speaker 1: and fruit. See I should have known better with you,
Speaker 1: but okay, yes, there will be.
Speaker 2: There will be a handheld cookie, brownie fruit kind of
Speaker 2: table if that. If you have serious concerns, we've got
Speaker 2: you covered.
Speaker 1: All right, that's all fair enough.
Speaker 2: Can you play the this is It?
Speaker 1: Some one more time?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Not the song you want to, just the stab? Yeah,
Speaker 1: there it is.
Speaker 2: This is it.
Speaker 1: That's the end of the show. That's all we have
Speaker 1: for that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,
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