WEBVTT - The Lesser of Two Crab Claws, Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind production of My

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radio. Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick. And

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<v Speaker 1>for the next few episodes we're going to be doing

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<v Speaker 1>a series on a symmetry. And to introduce this series,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to talk a little bit about a favorite

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<v Speaker 1>animal of ours, the nar wall. Yes, the what is it,

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<v Speaker 1>the corpse whale um of of the ocean, the unicorn

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<v Speaker 1>of the sea. Right, yeah, so corpse whale. That's literally

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<v Speaker 1>what its name means, whale of course wall, but nar

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<v Speaker 1>meaning corpse. So yeah, it's like a dead body whale,

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<v Speaker 1>having to do with its gray and modeled appearance as

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<v Speaker 1>it sort of floats around near the top of the water.

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<v Speaker 1>But the more famous feature of this whale, apart from

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<v Speaker 1>looking like a corpse, is its horn or tusk or

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<v Speaker 1>we can dispute what's the best word to use for

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<v Speaker 1>it here, but yeah, as you say, it is the

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<v Speaker 1>unicorn of the polar seas. So the nor wall is

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<v Speaker 1>a medium sized Arctic marine mammal in the suborder of

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<v Speaker 1>toothed whales or Odonto ceti. And it is immediately recognizable

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<v Speaker 1>because most males of the nar walls, and occasionally some

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<v Speaker 1>females as well, possess a giant spike or tusk growing

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<v Speaker 1>straight out of their faces. And this tusk can grow

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<v Speaker 1>absurdly long, up to about three meters or ten feet,

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<v Speaker 1>and the orientation of this tusk looks very unusual compared

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<v Speaker 1>to most other mammals. So you think about other mammals

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<v Speaker 1>with horns or tusks. Uh, you might think about bo

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<v Speaker 1>vines in which the horns rise up off the top

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<v Speaker 1>of the head, or you might think about the rhinoceros

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<v Speaker 1>where it points up from the end of the snouts

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<v Speaker 1>kind of you know, up from the ground. Or you

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<v Speaker 1>might think about the tusks of a bore an elephant

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<v Speaker 1>kind of coming out of the mouth at an angle.

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<v Speaker 1>But but no, in the In the narwhall, you have

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<v Speaker 1>a whales body, which again is a sort of modeled

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<v Speaker 1>gray tube that can grow about four to five meters

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<v Speaker 1>long in adulthood, and then the tusk just juts straight

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<v Speaker 1>out of the face, adding another three ms or so

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<v Speaker 1>or up to another three ms or so in length.

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<v Speaker 1>So when the tusk is present, the animal is sort

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<v Speaker 1>of shaped like a dart. Or like a spear. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>when we've talked about in Our Walls before, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in our episodes on the unicorn legend, uh, we

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<v Speaker 1>we talked a lot about the theories behind the origin

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<v Speaker 1>and the purpose of the tusk. We're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>completely rehash that discussion here, though, I did want to

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<v Speaker 1>note a development which was in a more recent paper

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<v Speaker 1>I came across addressing the biological function of the tusk.

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<v Speaker 1>So a long running question for marine biologists who study

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<v Speaker 1>the nar wall is why this giant tusk it's it

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<v Speaker 1>looks very unwieldy. What is it for? What is the

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<v Speaker 1>evolutionary justification? And this can be difficult to study because

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<v Speaker 1>it is not a trivial task to go out and

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<v Speaker 1>just observed in our walls. In the wild, not only

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<v Speaker 1>do they live underwater, but they live under the Arctic ice.

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<v Speaker 1>So they remain veiled in a great deal of mystery.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're not without some clues. And I guess the

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<v Speaker 1>place to start is that the tusk looks so threatening

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<v Speaker 1>to the naive human brain that we immediately want to

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<v Speaker 1>say it is a weapon, right, you know, it is

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<v Speaker 1>a spear, It is a dark that That's what I

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<v Speaker 1>without even thinking about it compared the animal too, right, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you think of it being some sort of a javelin

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<v Speaker 1>or spear um harpoon on the front of this, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this whale that it's using to to skewer things, or

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<v Speaker 1>that it's using this to sort of fence with other whales. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so you think it must be for you know, stabbing

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<v Speaker 1>sharks or skewering fish prey or something. Though it's funny

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<v Speaker 1>that people think, oh, yeah, it's for for skewering fish

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<v Speaker 1>that they're going to eat. But if that were true,

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't that be a little awkward? Like how would it

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<v Speaker 1>get the fish to its mouth after that? Like you

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<v Speaker 1>would normally you don't need a stab and then eat.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're a whale, you just eat, You just bite

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<v Speaker 1>and then swallow. Anyway, there have been some accounts of

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<v Speaker 1>what appeared to be various offensive uses of the tusk,

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<v Speaker 1>but these might be coincidental or secondary behaviors. And then

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<v Speaker 1>there are all other odd proposals, including things like stabbing

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<v Speaker 1>through surface ice to create holes for breathing. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>remember the nar walls and air breathing mammal, but the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that the tusk is hollow and filled with sensitive

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<v Speaker 1>nerve endings, has led some researchers to believe it is

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<v Speaker 1>a sensory organ and there there is some evidence that

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<v Speaker 1>it can be used for gathering and even potentially for

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<v Speaker 1>sharing information about the characteristics of seawater, maybe things like temperature, salinity,

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<v Speaker 1>and so forth. However, one of the most important clues

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<v Speaker 1>about the primary evolutionary justification of the tusk is the

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<v Speaker 1>fact of sexual dimorphism. So the tusks are almost always

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<v Speaker 1>found in males, and one obvious conclud lusion from this

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<v Speaker 1>is that the tusk can't be necessary for survival, or

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<v Speaker 1>else females would have them as well. Right, so it

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<v Speaker 1>can't provide a major individual survival advantage, or else you'd

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<v Speaker 1>expect all individuals to have them, or we would at

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<v Speaker 1>least observe, uh, you know, the the whales that have

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<v Speaker 1>them out competing the other one the ones that don't

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<v Speaker 1>have them in survival, which is not the case. So

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<v Speaker 1>one of the leading theories then is that it's a

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<v Speaker 1>sexually selected trade. It's a body feature without a major

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<v Speaker 1>role in survival, which grows very prominent in males because

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<v Speaker 1>it increases reproductive success, maybe by being more appealing to

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<v Speaker 1>female in our walls, or maybe by causing rival males

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<v Speaker 1>to stay away and so forth and anyway. As so,

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<v Speaker 1>the recent paper I found was one by Graham at

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<v Speaker 1>All published in Biology Letters called the longer the Better

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that narwhal tusks are sexually selected. This was from

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<v Speaker 1>and of course this paper acknowledges that it's really difficult

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<v Speaker 1>to study nar walls in the wild to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>what the tusk is for, so instead it asks if

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<v Speaker 1>we can infer anything about tusk function from examining the

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<v Speaker 1>natural variation in narwhal tusk measurements that have been taken

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<v Speaker 1>over the course of the last thirty five years. And

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<v Speaker 1>so their sample comprised two D forty five individual adult males,

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<v Speaker 1>and based on these measurements, the authors conclude that the

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<v Speaker 1>evidence does suggest the primary driver of tusk evolution is

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<v Speaker 1>sexual selection. Quote. By combining our results on tusk scaling

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<v Speaker 1>with known material properties of the tusk, we suggest that

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<v Speaker 1>the narwhal tusk is a sexually selected signal that is

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<v Speaker 1>used during male male contests. So how would you conclude this? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the tusk demonstrates a growth pattern known as hyper alimentary,

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<v Speaker 1>which means a body feature that grows faster than the

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<v Speaker 1>body as a whole. So, for example, most body features

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<v Speaker 1>are roughly alometric. They're linearly allometrics. They grow in size

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<v Speaker 1>proportional to the rest of the body. If your body

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<v Speaker 1>is bigger overall, you probably also have longer shin bones

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<v Speaker 1>and larger hands and so forth. Some features might be

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<v Speaker 1>hypo allometric or you know, sublimetric, they grow less than

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<v Speaker 1>the body as a whole. But narwhal tusks are hyper alometric.

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<v Speaker 1>In the largest individuals, the tusks grow longer than simple

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<v Speaker 1>linear scaling would predict. So they're not just big in

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<v Speaker 1>proportion to the rest of the body, they're way bigger

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<v Speaker 1>than that. There they just they get ridiculously huge. And

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<v Speaker 1>so this is not proof, but it is characteristic of

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<v Speaker 1>traits that are sexually selected. And the authors write in

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<v Speaker 1>their conclusion quote, sexually selected signals used in mail mail

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<v Speaker 1>competition are more likely to exhibit hyper elimetry when compared

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<v Speaker 1>to other sexually selected traits. Because the information being signaled

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<v Speaker 1>is simple, I am bigger than you. To convey this message,

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<v Speaker 1>males exaggerate the size of their signals, which facilitate the

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<v Speaker 1>detection of size discrepancies. Between individuals, reducing the likelihood of

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<v Speaker 1>engaging in potentially dangerous fights, and they note that this

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<v Speaker 1>could explain the so called tusking behavior that's been observed,

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<v Speaker 1>where male narwhales sometimes appear to be crossing tusks are

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<v Speaker 1>almost like dueling with their tusks um, which could actually

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<v Speaker 1>be not a form of fighting, but a way for

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<v Speaker 1>the animals to compare the size of their tusks in

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<v Speaker 1>order to avoid a fight. So, in an interesting twist,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be the case that our naive intuition that

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<v Speaker 1>this tusk is a weapon is true in a sense,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's a weapon designed specifically to look scary because

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<v Speaker 1>it will discourage actual fighting between males and sexual competition

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<v Speaker 1>most of the time. So it's you know, two rival

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<v Speaker 1>males are are competing for a chance to mate, and

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<v Speaker 1>one of them goes, wow, that that other one's tusk

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<v Speaker 1>is absurdly long. No need to fight this out, my mistakes,

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<v Speaker 1>see you later. Now. They say that the existing evidence

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<v Speaker 1>sort of points us in this direction, but it's not conclusive.

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<v Speaker 1>Their alternate explanations. Maybe the large tusk plays a role

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<v Speaker 1>in mate choice itself. Maybe females prefer males with larger tusks,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're in general, there's still just a lot we

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<v Speaker 1>don't know about these animals, so so the book is

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<v Speaker 1>not completely closed on this question. And it's also possible

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<v Speaker 1>that the tusk has multiple secondary functions, for example, as

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<v Speaker 1>a sensory organ like we talked about earlier. Though again,

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<v Speaker 1>as I mentioned earlier, that those secondary functions can't be

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<v Speaker 1>all that crucial for survival or we would see that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we would see that playing out in nar

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<v Speaker 1>whale populations, the ones with the tusks would be more

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<v Speaker 1>likely to survive, and that's not what we find now.

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<v Speaker 1>To bring it back to the reason I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about narwhals in today's episode, you may remember one

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<v Speaker 1>strange fact about the narwhal's tusk from our previous episodes

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<v Speaker 1>where these animals came up, and it's that the normals

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<v Speaker 1>tusk is not an external caratinous horn like that of

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<v Speaker 1>the rhinoceros. Instead, it is a tooth. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>just mean it is made out of the same stuff

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<v Speaker 1>as a tooth. It is literally a tooth. It is

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<v Speaker 1>a tooth from the upper jaw that has been repurposed

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<v Speaker 1>by evolution to grow into a tusk. By changing the

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<v Speaker 1>orientation of growth so that it grows straight out forward forward,

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<v Speaker 1>out of the jaw and then erupts from the flesh

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<v Speaker 1>of the face. It literally grows through the flesh of

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<v Speaker 1>the upper lip and then continues growing rapidly, and as

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen, even hyper elemetrically. But here's what I've been

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<v Speaker 1>getting hung up on. The nor Wals tusk is not

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<v Speaker 1>only a tooth. In almost all cases, it is the

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<v Speaker 1>left canine, the left maxillary canine tooth having erupted from

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<v Speaker 1>the upper lip. And this is this is certainly something

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<v Speaker 1>when you learn for the first time it does it

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<v Speaker 1>does feel a little bit wrong. I mean, a number

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<v Speaker 1>of these these factoids about the norwell perhaps feel a

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<v Speaker 1>little wrong, you know, because ultimately it's just a far

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<v Speaker 1>weirder and perhaps sillier animal than than most of us assumed.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not silly, is deadly serious, but it does

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<v Speaker 1>have one tooth just poking out of its lip for

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, ten feet. But you're not allowed to laugh,

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<v Speaker 1>um so, But yeah, anyway, So, to quote from a

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<v Speaker 1>paper from in the Anatomical Record by Nuilla at all quote,

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<v Speaker 1>males usually exhibit an erupted tusk on the left side

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<v Speaker 1>and an unerupted embedded tusk on the right. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>got two of these teeth. It's got, you know, that's symmetrical.

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<v Speaker 1>There's one on each side, except usually one just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of grows a little bit and then stays inside the

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<v Speaker 1>upper jaw and doesn't do anything, while the other one

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<v Speaker 1>breaks through the skin and grows up to ten feet long.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's what you usually see. But then the quote continues,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas females usually have two embedded tusks, neither erupting. Other

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<v Speaker 1>less common expressions of narwhal dentition include males with two tusks,

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<v Speaker 1>males with two embedded tusks so neither one comes out,

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<v Speaker 1>females with one erupted and one embedded tusk, and females

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<v Speaker 1>with two erupted tusks. And I checked. I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>only been one documented case of the ladder of the

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<v Speaker 1>females with two tusks coming out. But the authors of

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<v Speaker 1>this paper do extensive analysis to confirm that these are

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<v Speaker 1>not horns, they are teeth, and they figure out exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what teeth they are. They are the upper canines, and

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<v Speaker 1>in almost all cases, the left upper canine. Now I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if I'm alone in this, but I am

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<v Speaker 1>just as struck by the fact that the tusk is

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<v Speaker 1>actually the left canine as I am about the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that it's a tooth to begin with. Why the left canine,

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<v Speaker 1>As the paper mentions, narwhal's occasionally have two erupted tusks,

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<v Speaker 1>two tusks of about the same length coming out to

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<v Speaker 1>other It's rare, but you find some like that, And

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<v Speaker 1>if you see pictures of the narwhals with two tusks,

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<v Speaker 1>they look much more appropriate to the preferences of nature.

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<v Speaker 1>You can look up images of this online. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>even though they're much more rare in the wild. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of the images of narwhal skulls have two tusks.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess because the rare ones get photographed more often. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess. On one hand, the left handed

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<v Speaker 1>side is the sinister side the sinstral side. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to have a crazy, super long tooth emerged

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<v Speaker 1>from your face and maybe the sinister side makes sense, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just your twisted mind working. It's it's fancy. I mean, no,

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<v Speaker 1>come on, like the two tusks, they look more like

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<v Speaker 1>something that you would just buy intuition expect to find

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<v Speaker 1>in the ocean, much more so than the common one

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<v Speaker 1>tusk skull, which when I see it, I mean, it

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<v Speaker 1>is beautiful, but it also it looks unbalanced and wrong. Though.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say that the two tusks or wall, if

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<v Speaker 1>you look up images of specimens of this creature like

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<v Speaker 1>this one is perplexing as well because it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't form um. They're not perfectly parallel to each other.

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<v Speaker 1>It creates kind of a V shape that is a

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<v Speaker 1>little confusing and certainly makes you lean more into possibilities. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that this is not about stabbing or using these uh

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<v Speaker 1>these tusks for some sort of a a physical practical use,

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<v Speaker 1>but something else like that they look more like communications

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<v Speaker 1>array when you see two of them as opposed to

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<v Speaker 1>just one. Well, yeah, I think having two of them

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<v Speaker 1>even further highlights that these are obviously not practically useful

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<v Speaker 1>for something like like catching prey or eating you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you just you look at that and it's like, how

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<v Speaker 1>how's that going to work? And it's obviously they're not

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<v Speaker 1>using it for that, at least not most of the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. There are these little anecdotes of somebody saying

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, they saw a nar wall like tap

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<v Speaker 1>a fish with a tusk or something, so maybe, but

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<v Speaker 1>that that clearly does not appear to be a prime

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<v Speaker 1>very use of them. But I wanted to come back

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<v Speaker 1>to the idea that it looks it looks wrong at

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<v Speaker 1>least even though of course you know this is what

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<v Speaker 1>evolution selected. It is, uh, it is right for something,

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<v Speaker 1>it has a use, but it looks wrong to our brains,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it causes you to ask the question, well,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, why is it that evolution drove the

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<v Speaker 1>narwhall to be unbalanced in this way? And and second,

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<v Speaker 1>why is it that my intuition tells me incorrectly that

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<v Speaker 1>a long, single tusk should not emerge from the socket

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<v Speaker 1>of the left maxillary canine, like if an animal has

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<v Speaker 1>one tusk, it should come out of a hole right

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle. And so this is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of a series of episodes. We're gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>at least two maybe more. What we'll see, uh, but

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<v Speaker 1>there will be on a symmetry in the animal world

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<v Speaker 1>when an animal's left and right do not match. So

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<v Speaker 1>in future episodes we will we will explore some theoretical

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<v Speaker 1>questions about about embryonic developed meant and how animal asymmetry

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<v Speaker 1>comes about. Uh, probably look at some crabs and other crustaceans.

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<v Speaker 1>But today I think we're gonna we're gonna look especially

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<v Speaker 1>at like whales and uh and other swimming creatures of

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<v Speaker 1>the sea, UH, and just generally highlights some interesting examples

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<v Speaker 1>of asymmetry in the natural world. Now, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>important to acknowledge at the beginning that the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>symmetry or asymmetry we're talking about, the kind of symmetry

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<v Speaker 1>we expect to see in animals is only one specific

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<v Speaker 1>type of symmetry, called bilateral symmetry, and not all animals

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<v Speaker 1>actually possess it, even in an approximate sense. So bilateral

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<v Speaker 1>symmetry is actually a fairly restricted type of symmetry. There

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<v Speaker 1>are three dimensions of space, and if you plot a

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<v Speaker 1>human body on those three dimensions, you'll notice we are

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<v Speaker 1>actually only symmetrical along one of those three axes. So

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<v Speaker 1>on height, our head in our feet, of course, are

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<v Speaker 1>not mirror images of each other. On depth, we're also

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<v Speaker 1>not symmetrical. Our backs do not mirror our fronts. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't have faces or butts on both sides. It's only

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<v Speaker 1>across our width that you find approximate symmetry our left side.

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<v Speaker 1>Roughly mirrors are right side. And in three dimensional space,

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<v Speaker 1>the most perfectly symmetrical form is actually a sphere, since

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<v Speaker 1>if you divide a sphere in half along any plane

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<v Speaker 1>you want, no matter it's orientation, the two sides will match. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And I hesitate because I'm about to make a generalization

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<v Speaker 1>about geometry. I'm always afraid I'm gonna say something wrong there.

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<v Speaker 1>But I tried to look this up and confirm it.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe this is unique to the sphere, that all

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<v Speaker 1>other three D shapes can be bisected in ways where

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<v Speaker 1>the two halves may have equal volume but will not

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<v Speaker 1>match an outline. But if you cut a sphere in half,

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<v Speaker 1>it's always two perfect hemispheres, no matter what direction you

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<v Speaker 1>cut from. And this actually connects to a passage in

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<v Speaker 1>a book I came across by the mathematician Herman Vile

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<v Speaker 1>called Symmetry from Princeton University Press in nineteen fifty two,

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<v Speaker 1>and Vile is writing about about the history of association

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<v Speaker 1>between symmetry in the geometric sense and the concept of beauty. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, moral virtue, and perfection, and he writes quote

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<v Speaker 1>because of their complete rotational symmetry, the circle in the

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<v Speaker 1>plane and the sphere in space were considered by the

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<v Speaker 1>Pythagoreans the most perfect geometric figures, and Aristotle ascribed spherical

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<v Speaker 1>shape to the celestial bodies because any other would detract

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<v Speaker 1>from their heavenly perfection. Now it's interesting, knowing what we

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<v Speaker 1>know now about the cause of spherical objects in space,

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<v Speaker 1>namely gravity, right that as as the mass of an

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<v Speaker 1>object increases, it tends to become more and more perfectly spherical,

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<v Speaker 1>with the I guess the end point of that being

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<v Speaker 1>that a black hole theoretically is pretty much perfectly spherical,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas smaller objects in space, because gravity is not as

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<v Speaker 1>strong a force on the on the smoothing of their

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<v Speaker 1>outer edges, they can have more irregular shapes. This is

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<v Speaker 1>why you get irregular potato shaped comets and asteroids. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you start getting up into planet size and

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<v Speaker 1>you move closer and closer to spherical perfection. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>Vile goes on to quote a poet named Anna Wickham,

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<v Speaker 1>which was actually the pseudonym of a modernist poet named

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<v Speaker 1>Edith Alice Mary Harper uh in connecting the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>symmetry to God or the divine being, so Wickham rights quote, God,

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<v Speaker 1>thou great symmetry, who put a biting lust in me?

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<v Speaker 1>From whence my sorrow spring for all my frittered days

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<v Speaker 1>that I have spent in shapeless ways, Give me one

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<v Speaker 1>perfect thing, and then vile rights. Symmetry, as wide or

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<v Speaker 1>as narrow as you may define its meaning, is one

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<v Speaker 1>idea by which man, through the ages has tried to

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<v Speaker 1>comprehend and create order. Beauty and perfection. And equating symmetry

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<v Speaker 1>with beauty, goodness and perfection and even divinity can be

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<v Speaker 1>found all throughout literature. I think of Blake's The Tiger.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what immortal hander eye could frame thy fearful symmetry.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it makes you want to say symmetry there,

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<v Speaker 1>But this clearly is has not just a geometric meaning,

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<v Speaker 1>where you will the two halves of the tiger do

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<v Speaker 1>match one another roughly because it is an animal with

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<v Speaker 1>bilateral symmetry, but that it means something more than that.

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<v Speaker 1>Symmetry here is in some sense synonymous with greatness or divinity. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so that the tiger is is a perfect organism

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<v Speaker 1>and Blake's I here, um yeah, And you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>can be said about our obsession with with symmetry to

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<v Speaker 1>the point where it's like a flawed obsession with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like we think that we want, say, perfectly symmetrical faces,

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<v Speaker 1>when most faces are certainly not a symmetrical And if

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<v Speaker 1>you take even famous and you know, often held up

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<v Speaker 1>his beautiful faces and you do the trick of creating

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<v Speaker 1>a symmetrical symmetrical face out of it, it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>look wrong to your eyes. It may it may look

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<v Speaker 1>very well look unnatural. Well. The the whole quest for

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<v Speaker 1>symmetry in in aesthetic beauty um is one of those

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<v Speaker 1>where it's like there's almost a kind of inverse uncanny valley.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like people's natural preferences or something that tends

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<v Speaker 1>very close to symmetry. But then if you get right

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<v Speaker 1>up to it and go to actual symmetry, it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh no, no, no, that that looks all wrong. So

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<v Speaker 1>you want to be like right in the zone where

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<v Speaker 1>you're approaching symmetry, but not there. Yeah, though there, Certainly

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<v Speaker 1>when you get into design it gets it gets weird

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<v Speaker 1>because take airplanes, for example, airplanes tend to look best

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<v Speaker 1>to our I when they are perfectly symmetrical, and then

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<v Speaker 1>there are various reasons for that. And if you see

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<v Speaker 1>an asymmetrical airplane, and there there have been certainly done

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<v Speaker 1>some some very asymmetrical looking airplane designs uh uh here

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<v Speaker 1>and there throughout aviation history, they do look incredibly wrong

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<v Speaker 1>to the eye. Um, and that shouldn't fly. Yeah, Like

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<v Speaker 1>how how how is that a good idea? But I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it can work, it's just you you generally don't

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<v Speaker 1>see it. Well, there's a different logic at work here.

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<v Speaker 1>But that just sort of reminds me, incidentally of how

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always surprised at the idea that a plane can

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<v Speaker 1>continue to fly with one engine, you know, as like

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<v Speaker 1>two jet engines, Like one engine fails, but it can

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<v Speaker 1>keep flying with the other one, which makes that that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem right. It seems like, well, if only one

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<v Speaker 1>engine is going, then shouldn't it just sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>spin out of control? But no, I mean, as long

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<v Speaker 1>as it's generating forward thrust, it can keep going usually Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, so there's always a strong argument, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that much of what we find beautiful and good is

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<v Speaker 1>biologically contingent, that it has at least in part to

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<v Speaker 1>do with the kind of animals we are and how

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<v Speaker 1>we relate to our environment. And of course we are

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<v Speaker 1>part of that clade of animal all is known as biolateria.

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<v Speaker 1>These these are the animals featuring bilateral symmetry during embryonic development. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>of course this is always approximate, right, because while you're

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<v Speaker 1>left and you're right in one sense do match. There

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<v Speaker 1>are mirror images of each other, as you were just

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, they're not perfect mirror images of each other,

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<v Speaker 1>and especially on the inside, because we have say, asymmetric

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<v Speaker 1>distribution of our internal organs, like the hearts more to

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<v Speaker 1>one side, the livers more to the other, and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>But for it, for approximate terms, at least externally are

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<v Speaker 1>left in our right sides match. But not all animals

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<v Speaker 1>exhibit bilateral symmetry. Some have radial symmetry, meaning they grow

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<v Speaker 1>in like repeated structures in a more spiral pattern. And

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<v Speaker 1>there are some like sponges for example, those are animals,

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<v Speaker 1>but they have no symmetry at all. But most animals,

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<v Speaker 1>like humans, are bilaterally symmetrical. As as our bodies grow

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<v Speaker 1>during embryonic development, they grow into basically mirrored halves on

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<v Speaker 1>the left and right. But as we've already seen with

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<v Speaker 1>the narwhale, some animals with bodies that mostly adhere to

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<v Speaker 1>bilateral symmetry present with isolated but radical deviations, such as

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<v Speaker 1>the nar walls left maxillary canine turning into a tusk

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<v Speaker 1>almost as long as the animal itself. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>not even the only example of fascinating a symmetry in

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<v Speaker 1>the bodies of whales. Yeah, yeah, I want to get

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<v Speaker 1>into something that we may have touched on this a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit in the past, But despite the number of

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<v Speaker 1>times the whales come up, I don't think we've really

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<v Speaker 1>gotten into everything here. And it concerns the nature of

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<v Speaker 1>the blowhole of of whales. Um Again, it just drives

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<v Speaker 1>home just how mysterious and weird whales really are. Um

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<v Speaker 1>So I want to start sort of back up before

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<v Speaker 1>we get to where we're going with this discussion of blowholes,

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<v Speaker 1>and start with the baileeen whale. You know, these are

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<v Speaker 1>filter feeders, which, as Ryan Tucker Jones points out in

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<v Speaker 1>red Leviathan uh the book about Soviet whaling, and interviewed

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<v Speaker 1>uh Ryan last week on the show. It's really fun episode.

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<v Speaker 1>If anyone wants to go back and listen to that.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's he touches on just sort of how intertwined

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<v Speaker 1>folk tale and legend and mythology is with our understanding

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<v Speaker 1>of whales and misunderstanding of whales. I want to read

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<v Speaker 1>this one passage quote. Ancient Greeks knew far less about

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<v Speaker 1>whales than did the whaling Scandinavians. And as these word

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<v Speaker 1>origins suggests, whales remain mysterious for Russians. For one thing,

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<v Speaker 1>baleen whales methods of feeding perplexed them. Lacking teeth, the

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<v Speaker 1>giants seemed to have no way of capturing prey. One

0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:45.399
<v Speaker 1>tenth century Russian poem wondered whether wales quote the mother

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<v Speaker 1>of all fish unquote fed themselves on quote heavenly fragrances.

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<v Speaker 1>Direct experience was not necessarily more helpful. A medieval Western

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<v Speaker 1>whaler who cut into a stranded whale stomach and found

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<v Speaker 1>a gray mass of food included that it had fed

0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:09.920
<v Speaker 1>on quote internal fog. That's great. So yes, whales are mysterious,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, you can you can imagine if you really

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know what was going on with the baleen whale,

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<v Speaker 1>you might have trouble figuring out what's going on with

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<v Speaker 1>their with with their mouths. What do they truly feed on? What?

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<v Speaker 1>What is there enough of on the ocean for them

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<v Speaker 1>to consume if they're not eating our ships and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, if you look at a baleen whale and

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<v Speaker 1>you look away from its mouth, you'll notice, yes, it

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<v Speaker 1>has it has the blowholes. The blowhole falls well in

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<v Speaker 1>line with bilateral anatomy. There are two of them, in

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a V shape. And uh, and guess what

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<v Speaker 1>if you weren't aware of this, here's your your fun Uh.

0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:55.040
<v Speaker 1>Initial fact, they are repositioned nostrils. Imagining the evolutionary journey

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<v Speaker 1>of those nose holes. Yes, because that's it is a journey,

0:26:58.920 --> 0:27:01.800
<v Speaker 1>the nose holes traveling from the front of the snout

0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:03.919
<v Speaker 1>all the way to the top of the head. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we can imagine it. It's hard to imagine with our

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<v Speaker 1>own face, but imagine it with a much bigger and

0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:13.800
<v Speaker 1>more prolonged heading. So, as Raston and Roth point out

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<v Speaker 1>in a paper published in the Journal of Anatomy, uh,

0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:22.679
<v Speaker 1>the nasal passage in in these whales has rotated dorsally

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<v Speaker 1>over the course of evolution and early in development cessation

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<v Speaker 1>embryos have head morphologies that resemble other mammals, so you

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<v Speaker 1>can actually look up embryo images and observe the nasal

0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:40.119
<v Speaker 1>openings shift from the tip of the snout to the

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<v Speaker 1>back of the head. If you want to see some

0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:46.800
<v Speaker 1>some some easily accessed examples of this panda's thumb. A

0:27:46.880 --> 0:27:49.840
<v Speaker 1>science blog has some great images of this in their

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<v Speaker 1>post whale evolution The Blowhole, and I included these for

0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:56.520
<v Speaker 1>you to look at here, Joe Um. If you if

0:27:56.520 --> 0:27:58.679
<v Speaker 1>you look up this blog post, you'll see a trio

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<v Speaker 1>of images with the embryo and there's a little white

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<v Speaker 1>ero pointing out where the nostrils are and then where

0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:08.640
<v Speaker 1>they travel to. It's just as you say, yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>earlier in development there there towards the front like they

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<v Speaker 1>would be on the snout, and more like they would

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<v Speaker 1>have been on the whales, on the whales land walking ancestors.

0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:20.560
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, then as development moves on, they move up

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<v Speaker 1>the head up to where I don't know, I don't

0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:24.800
<v Speaker 1>know if this is the right terminology, but you might

0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:28.879
<v Speaker 1>call like the forehead and then further and further. Yeah. Yeah,

0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 1>now it's it's obviously natural selection went this way. Um

0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:37.159
<v Speaker 1>and it's easy to just sort of assume, okay, natural

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<v Speaker 1>um evolution and natural selection and knows what it's doing.

0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Who are we to question it? So it's easy to

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<v Speaker 1>sort of overlook the basic question and all of this,

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<v Speaker 1>why why does the nostril why did the nose open on?

0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:52.000
<v Speaker 1>The nasal openings on these creatures wander over the course

0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 1>of their evolutionary development until they're on the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the head. The basic answer is that while these creatures, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>technically could still ether through their nostrils when they were

0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:04.200
<v Speaker 1>positioned at the end of their snouts, they would have

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<v Speaker 1>to lift their snouts out of the water to do so,

0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:10.600
<v Speaker 1>and that requires more energy. If it's if you have

0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:13.840
<v Speaker 1>the nose and the nasal openings positioned higher up on

0:29:13.880 --> 0:29:17.160
<v Speaker 1>the snout, well, that's less lift required to do so,

0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:20.400
<v Speaker 1>less energy, And so this is why we have that

0:29:20.520 --> 0:29:24.600
<v Speaker 1>gradual movement of the nasal openings. And we have fossil

0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:27.200
<v Speaker 1>evidence to back this up, and there are examples of

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<v Speaker 1>this in that panda's thumb post as well. We for instance,

0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:34.040
<v Speaker 1>we have fossil evidence of of Rhodo satus. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a whale from roughly forty six million years ago, and

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:43.640
<v Speaker 1>this one offers a midpoint where we see the nasal opening,

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<v Speaker 1>not at the end of the snout like we see

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:50.280
<v Speaker 1>in uh in really ancient UH whale ancestors, and also

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<v Speaker 1>not at the top of the head like we see

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:55.280
<v Speaker 1>with modern whales, but that midpoint in between. No, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not speaking from an expert perspective here, but it seems

0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:03.520
<v Speaker 1>very sgnificant that the that the blowhole eventually moves back

0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:06.320
<v Speaker 1>to above where the eyes are right because you can

0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:10.280
<v Speaker 1>imagine if a whale has to lift its eyes above

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<v Speaker 1>the surface of the water every time it wants to breathe,

0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:15.520
<v Speaker 1>or at least to point its eyes up away from

0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:19.719
<v Speaker 1>where it's scanning. That's really it's not just taking energy.

0:30:19.760 --> 0:30:23.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, of course, the energetic investment is significant. Imagine

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<v Speaker 1>if you had to like lift your head up every

0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:27.640
<v Speaker 1>time you wanted to breathe, that would that would get

0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:30.480
<v Speaker 1>tiring after a while. But also if you basically like

0:30:30.520 --> 0:30:32.880
<v Speaker 1>couldn't see what was going on around you every time

0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:34.920
<v Speaker 1>you had to take a breath, because you know, you

0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:37.280
<v Speaker 1>need if you're living under the water, you want to

0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:39.960
<v Speaker 1>keep your eyes fixed below the water, that's where the

0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:42.240
<v Speaker 1>relevant stuff is going on. If you have to lift

0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:45.120
<v Speaker 1>your eyes above the surface of the water. Uh you

0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:48.440
<v Speaker 1>are you are losing sight of your surroundings exactly. Yeah,

0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:52.120
<v Speaker 1>this is the world that the whale has adapted to

0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:56.440
<v Speaker 1>the marine environment, and so over time it just gets

0:30:56.480 --> 0:30:59.080
<v Speaker 1>to the point where as little of the animal as

0:30:59.120 --> 0:31:06.320
<v Speaker 1>possible has to breach the surface of the water. Thank

0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 1>So that's basically the symmetrical whale blow hole. But here's

0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:13.960
<v Speaker 1>the here's where it gets fun. This is where it

0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:18.360
<v Speaker 1>gets asymmetrical because not all whales have two blow holes.

0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Not all have those two nasal openings repurpose nasal openings

0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:25.840
<v Speaker 1>on the top of their head. Toothed whales like the

0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:31.240
<v Speaker 1>sperm whale, have just one. In fact, on the sperm whale,

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<v Speaker 1>this single blowhole is at an angle on the left

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:37.200
<v Speaker 1>side of the head, and this causes it to blow

0:31:37.640 --> 0:31:41.480
<v Speaker 1>forward and slightly to the left. So this can actually

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:45.600
<v Speaker 1>make sperm whale spouts harder to spot for humans, but

0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 1>also makes them easier to identify if you do spot them,

0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:53.360
<v Speaker 1>because it's not just blasting straight up again, it's blasting

0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:56.600
<v Speaker 1>forward and slightly to the left. But this, oh, this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is putting me back in our wall tusk territory.

0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:02.959
<v Speaker 1>So it has one nostril. So this is not just

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:06.360
<v Speaker 1>the nostrils have moved back along the center line of

0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:10.440
<v Speaker 1>the skull of cross evolutionary time. The nostrils have actually

0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:14.120
<v Speaker 1>split and one of them has moved back here and

0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:17.760
<v Speaker 1>the other one, I don't know what it's doing something else, Yeah,

0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 1>the other one. The crazy thing is essentially the one

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:23.960
<v Speaker 1>is still open and active. The other one has sealed

0:32:24.000 --> 0:32:26.560
<v Speaker 1>over the other. So the other nasal passage is there.

0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:30.360
<v Speaker 1>It just does not connect to the surface anymore. Uh.

0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:33.440
<v Speaker 1>That doesn't mean it's not doing anything. It has another purpose.

0:32:34.280 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 1>So instead of connecting to the exterior of the animal,

0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:42.000
<v Speaker 1>this other nasal passage supplies air to the phonic lips.

0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:45.520
<v Speaker 1>The phonic lips produce clicks that travel the length of

0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:49.800
<v Speaker 1>the nose and through the spermssete oregon of the head

0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 1>UH to aid in echolocation, or at least this is

0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:55.400
<v Speaker 1>the most well accepted theory of what's going on here

0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:58.959
<v Speaker 1>with the structure of the sperm whale's head. So echolocation

0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:02.520
<v Speaker 1>is using sound waves in order to be able to

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:06.480
<v Speaker 1>UH image underwater to see where things are not with vision,

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:09.600
<v Speaker 1>but by producing clicks that like hit things in the

0:33:09.600 --> 0:33:13.000
<v Speaker 1>water and then come back to the sensory organs on

0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:16.520
<v Speaker 1>the whale so they can navigate their environment. And as specifically,

0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:19.560
<v Speaker 1>I think nowhere prey is in the dark waters. Yeah,

0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:22.320
<v Speaker 1>so if you dive in down to eat yourself some

0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:25.640
<v Speaker 1>some squids, some giant squid maybe, uh, this is what

0:33:25.720 --> 0:33:29.280
<v Speaker 1>you would you would use. Now. The evolutionary divergence likely

0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:31.920
<v Speaker 1>occurred during the oligo scene. This would have been thirty

0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:34.920
<v Speaker 1>three to twenty three million years ago, as toothed whales

0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:39.640
<v Speaker 1>diverged from the ancestors of filter feeding whales, and this

0:33:39.680 --> 0:33:44.280
<v Speaker 1>would totally make sense of predatory Toothed whales develop asymmetry

0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:48.280
<v Speaker 1>related to their ability to echo locate because they need

0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:51.600
<v Speaker 1>to use echolocation to hunt. Filter feeding whales do not

0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:54.720
<v Speaker 1>have the same hunting needs, so their skulls remain balanced

0:33:54.760 --> 0:33:58.240
<v Speaker 1>on the left and right. Um and uh rob I

0:33:58.320 --> 0:34:00.360
<v Speaker 1>I thought this was a really interesting end and so

0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:02.400
<v Speaker 1>I was looking at to support this. I found a

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<v Speaker 1>paper on the cranial asymmetry of whales and this was

0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:10.719
<v Speaker 1>by Ellen J. Coombs at all published in BMC Biology

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:16.799
<v Speaker 1>in and for this paper, making use of museum collections,

0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:20.920
<v Speaker 1>the researchers compared whale skulls across time, reaching back to

0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 1>whale ancestors that lived fifty million years ago, and the

0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:29.000
<v Speaker 1>author's write quote early ancestors of living whales had little

0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:32.840
<v Speaker 1>cranial asymmetry and likely we're not able to echo locate

0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:37.320
<v Speaker 1>our cho seats display high levels of asymmetry in the rostrum,

0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:40.840
<v Speaker 1>potentially related to directional hearing, which is lost in early

0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:44.240
<v Speaker 1>neo seats. The tax on, including the most recent common

0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:50.440
<v Speaker 1>ancestor of living cetaceans naso facial asymmetry. So again, asymmetrical

0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:55.080
<v Speaker 1>placement of the nostrils in the face becomes a significant

0:34:55.160 --> 0:34:58.440
<v Speaker 1>feature of odonto cetti or toothed whales in the early

0:34:58.520 --> 0:35:01.760
<v Speaker 1>oligo scene, just like you said, um reaching its highest

0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:06.400
<v Speaker 1>levels in extant taxa. Separate evolutionary regimes are reconstructed for

0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:11.800
<v Speaker 1>odonta seats living in acoustically complex environments, suggesting that these

0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:16.360
<v Speaker 1>niches impose strong selective pressure on echolocation ability and thus

0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:23.440
<v Speaker 1>increased cranial asymmetry. So, to summarize the skulls of toothed whales, specifically,

0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:28.080
<v Speaker 1>the toothed ones just keep getting weirder and more asymmetrical

0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:32.360
<v Speaker 1>over evolutionary time. Uh So, as the millions of years

0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:35.839
<v Speaker 1>march on, the heads are getting less and less symmetrical,

0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:40.160
<v Speaker 1>and this is especially true apparently in places where echolocation

0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:44.279
<v Speaker 1>is more difficult due to environmental conditions. And what could

0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:47.400
<v Speaker 1>be an example of this, Well, I was looking in

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:49.960
<v Speaker 1>the paper and this could be a coincidence, but they

0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:54.960
<v Speaker 1>note that the nar wall has an unusually asymmetrical skull

0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:58.200
<v Speaker 1>apart from the tusk that juts out on one side.

0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:00.680
<v Speaker 1>So to read a quote from this paper with a

0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:04.239
<v Speaker 1>bit of paraphrasing, uh, and remember the genus of the

0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:10.120
<v Speaker 1>narwhall is Monodon one tooth, meaning Monodon monodon remains the

0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:14.279
<v Speaker 1>most asymmetric skull in the sample, even when the rostrum

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:18.200
<v Speaker 1>is removed, which rules out the possibility that an asymmetric

0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:22.040
<v Speaker 1>tusk and residual teeth may be skewing the overall result.

0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Their unique sound repertoire narrow band structured in BS is

0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:32.080
<v Speaker 1>ideal for projecting and receiving signals in icy shallow waters

0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:35.520
<v Speaker 1>where the animals can detect targets in high levels of

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:40.319
<v Speaker 1>ambient noise and back scatter. So that's interesting. This could

0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:42.720
<v Speaker 1>be a total coincidence. I would not want to suggest

0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:46.359
<v Speaker 1>a causal connection, but I don't know. It's stuck out

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:51.520
<v Speaker 1>to me that nar walls have both strongly asymmetrical skulls,

0:36:51.560 --> 0:36:56.680
<v Speaker 1>probably to aid in echolocation in a difficult environment, and

0:36:56.880 --> 0:37:02.480
<v Speaker 1>also extreme asymmetrical teeth, producing these tusks, probably as a

0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:06.200
<v Speaker 1>sexually selected trade. Yeah. I mean again, it just goes

0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:09.640
<v Speaker 1>to show you just how weird whales are. Like, they're

0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:13.919
<v Speaker 1>just so delightfully strange. Um and and again it's easy

0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:15.800
<v Speaker 1>to it's easy to take it for granted if you don't,

0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:19.080
<v Speaker 1>you don't lean in closely enough, you know. But as

0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:21.960
<v Speaker 1>wonderful as as whale bodies are, they are not the

0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:27.240
<v Speaker 1>only creatures in the sea with striking and fascinating imbalances

0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:30.600
<v Speaker 1>between their left and right sides. Yeah, they're There are

0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:33.880
<v Speaker 1>a number of fascinating examples we could turn to, and

0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:35.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, we may we may come back to

0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:38.720
<v Speaker 1>some more in future episodes. But one that really caught

0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:44.480
<v Speaker 1>my attention is histeo tooth, the cock eyed squid. So

0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:49.520
<v Speaker 1>this is another example of essentially divided attention and divided

0:37:49.600 --> 0:37:55.799
<v Speaker 1>bodies in the deep ocean. Uh So, histeotoothis resides and

0:37:56.080 --> 0:37:59.680
<v Speaker 1>the mesopelagic zone or the twilight zone of the ocean.

0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:02.480
<v Speaker 1>And you can certainly think of this as a realm

0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:09.160
<v Speaker 1>situated between different kingdoms of illumination because above the zone

0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:12.719
<v Speaker 1>above the creatures of this realm, well, there there's the

0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:17.240
<v Speaker 1>that there's the distant kingdom of light. Okay. Uh, there's

0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:20.680
<v Speaker 1>a dim illumination coming down from the sun from the

0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:25.040
<v Speaker 1>more sunlit portions of the ocean, and so silhouettes can

0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:29.200
<v Speaker 1>be viewed of creatures above you against that that faint

0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:33.239
<v Speaker 1>light below you. Well, there's the great darkness of the

0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:36.719
<v Speaker 1>of the depths. But in that great dark darkness you'll

0:38:36.800 --> 0:38:39.680
<v Speaker 1>glimpse or if you're a squid to mule, glimpse uh,

0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:44.239
<v Speaker 1>sparkles and pulsations of bioluminescence here and there. Uh. And

0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:48.120
<v Speaker 1>of course both of these sightings are important because they

0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:50.960
<v Speaker 1>both have to do with organisms that may be a

0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:54.200
<v Speaker 1>threat that maybe food, et cetera. Oh, well, this is

0:38:54.239 --> 0:38:57.080
<v Speaker 1>so interesting because we know of lots of examples on

0:38:57.120 --> 0:38:59.800
<v Speaker 1>the surface world, say like lots of herbivores on the

0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:02.160
<v Speaker 1>this world that have one eye on each side of

0:39:02.200 --> 0:39:04.719
<v Speaker 1>their head to try to provide a sort of you know,

0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:07.279
<v Speaker 1>as wide field of you as possible, so you can

0:39:07.280 --> 0:39:10.799
<v Speaker 1>see things approaching you. But this is a scenario where

0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:13.560
<v Speaker 1>you might have a head structured like that, but you

0:39:13.600 --> 0:39:18.000
<v Speaker 1>have totally different seeing needs on either side exactly. And

0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:20.560
<v Speaker 1>so that's that's what we see with his teo toothis

0:39:20.719 --> 0:39:24.600
<v Speaker 1>as as described by Thomas, Robinson and Johnson in their

0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:28.920
<v Speaker 1>paper in the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B

0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:33.120
<v Speaker 1>it is a creature with quote two eyes for two purposes.

0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:37.360
<v Speaker 1>So the squids two eyes here are dimorphic in size,

0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:41.759
<v Speaker 1>shape and sometimes lens pigmentation. I included an image for

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<v Speaker 1>you to look at here, Joe, and you can folks listening,

0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:48.200
<v Speaker 1>and you can look up images this as well. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>not all images of the squid are going to really

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<v Speaker 1>capture this, but you'll find some that do. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's very weird when you can see both eyes at

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<v Speaker 1>once because one, uh, the image I was looking at.

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<v Speaker 1>One eye is this great, big, kind of swollen looking

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<v Speaker 1>eye that has kind of a yellowish or greenish tint

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<v Speaker 1>to it. Um it may appear to be glowing the

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<v Speaker 1>way that the light is catching it, and the other

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<v Speaker 1>eye appears a smaller, flatter um. You know, almost looks

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<v Speaker 1>like if you didn't know what you're looking at, you

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<v Speaker 1>might think, oh, this poor squid, one of its eyes

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<v Speaker 1>is inflamed and swollen, or one of its eyes has

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<v Speaker 1>been severely wounded and doesn't look like it's it's operating anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, both eyes are operating. They're just pointed in

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<v Speaker 1>different directions, and they have evolved to see differently depending

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<v Speaker 1>on uh the environments that they're gazing into. It's beautiful,

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<v Speaker 1>one looks like a setting gangrenous sun, and the other

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<v Speaker 1>looks like a blueberry that's a little bit rotten. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's thought that the larger of the two eyes

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<v Speaker 1>is honed to spot objects silhouetted against that dim light above,

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<v Speaker 1>while the smaller eye specializes in spot the sources of

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<v Speaker 1>bioluminescence in the darkness below, and the squid will actually

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<v Speaker 1>position itself in a tail up position in order to

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<v Speaker 1>maximize the split vision. Furthermore, the authors share that that

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<v Speaker 1>the there that we do seem to have yellow pigments

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<v Speaker 1>in the larger eye that may serve to break the

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<v Speaker 1>counter illumination camouflage of their prey above. Counter illumination is

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<v Speaker 1>an active camouflage method by by which lights are produced

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<v Speaker 1>on the body to match background lights. So this would

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<v Speaker 1>be used by a creature to blend in with the

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<v Speaker 1>light above it, so the creatures below them don't so

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<v Speaker 1>cleanly make out their dark bodies against the dim lights above. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a good survival strategy. Yeah, you have lights on

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<v Speaker 1>your underside to mimic the sunlight. Yeah. And so that

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<v Speaker 1>the yellow pigments in this larger eye apparently helps to

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<v Speaker 1>sort of break through some of that. So the theory

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<v Speaker 1>is that we see dimorphic specializations in each eye as

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<v Speaker 1>an adaptation to the split visual world. And this actually

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<v Speaker 1>reminded me of of a bit from a Doctor Seuss book.

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<v Speaker 1>I had trouble in getting to Solo Salu, where you

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<v Speaker 1>have this character who's dealing with a bunch of threats

0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:17.359
<v Speaker 1>and it goes So I said to myself, now, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just have to start to be twice as careful and

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<v Speaker 1>be twice as smart. I'll watch out for trouble in

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<v Speaker 1>front and back sections by aiming my eyeballs in different directions.

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<v Speaker 1>And you have this character that's kind of like a

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<v Speaker 1>little bear creature in his eyes are gazing off in

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<v Speaker 1>different directions. But essentially like that's that's kind of what

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<v Speaker 1>is going on with the with the cock eyed squid here.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great. It is, so I was trying to imagine

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<v Speaker 1>what scenario could give rise to something like this on

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<v Speaker 1>a on a land dwelling herbivore. You know, so you

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<v Speaker 1>have like a bo vine that's grazing what it needs

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<v Speaker 1>have totally different types of eyes or vision on one

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<v Speaker 1>side of the head. And I imagine what about some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of bovine that lives on a tidally locked world,

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<v Speaker 1>and it it lives at the terminator line. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>I one eye needs to be like shielded because it's

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<v Speaker 1>always facing towards the hot side of the planet, and

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<v Speaker 1>the other eye needs to be very sensitive because it's

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<v Speaker 1>always facing towards the dark side. I don't know, Oh

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<v Speaker 1>that's interesting. Uh yeah, I mean I guess that would

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<v Speaker 1>be the region that you a life form might be

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<v Speaker 1>likely to to live in because you would have less

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<v Speaker 1>of an extreme of heat or cold. But of course

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<v Speaker 1>it would also be a like a chaotic region as well.

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<v Speaker 1>You would have probably have a lot of climactic weather

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<v Speaker 1>going on there. It's highly locked planet. It's probably not

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<v Speaker 1>great for goats. But I was just trying to imagine,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that that's conceivably that's the kind of environment

0:43:39.239 --> 0:43:42.799
<v Speaker 1>that might require some sort of drastic change in the

0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:46.840
<v Speaker 1>positioning of the eyes and the specialization of the eyes. Um,

0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:48.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean it I feel like we I mean, we're

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<v Speaker 1>so hardwired for our surface world environment. It is difficult

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<v Speaker 1>for us. It's it's a little challenging to put ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>in the mindset and ultimately the the ocular world of

0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:02.000
<v Speaker 1>something like a goat or something like a you know,

0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:06.000
<v Speaker 1>a purely predatory cat or something much less, to put

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves in the mind said, in the ocular world of

0:44:09.160 --> 0:44:11.840
<v Speaker 1>the squid or or you know, to get into the

0:44:11.880 --> 0:44:15.200
<v Speaker 1>sense worlds of whales and so forth. It's, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's a different environment altogether. And these environments,

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<v Speaker 1>as we see from these examples, we've looked like they

0:44:22.680 --> 0:44:25.160
<v Speaker 1>almost literally can pull us in in half. You know,

0:44:25.239 --> 0:44:28.600
<v Speaker 1>they can they can change it. They can break whatever

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<v Speaker 1>uh seeming symmetry was there in the body originally as

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<v Speaker 1>it adapts, as it evolves to fit this environment over time.

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<v Speaker 1>This raises a question that comes to my mind actually

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<v Speaker 1>quite often, uh, when you think about, like if there

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<v Speaker 1>were other clades of animals that that became very intelligent

0:44:48.160 --> 0:44:51.680
<v Speaker 1>and had something like art what would what would they

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<v Speaker 1>find beautiful and how would it be different from what

0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:59.600
<v Speaker 1>we find beautiful based on on our brains and our biology. Yeah,

0:44:59.640 --> 0:45:02.040
<v Speaker 1>but I maybe we're gonna have to call the first

0:45:02.080 --> 0:45:05.359
<v Speaker 1>episode there. We will certainly be back with with more

0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:08.640
<v Speaker 1>marvels of asymmetry, and in subsequent episodes we're gonna talk

0:45:08.680 --> 0:45:12.120
<v Speaker 1>about uh, crabs and crustaceans, and I think we'll talk

0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:15.160
<v Speaker 1>about snakes some probably come back to some fish and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe some larger developmental theoretical concerns about where asymmetry comes from.

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