1 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive. I am Dale Lally here with 2 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: Matt Williamson and Matt. It is a beautiful day here 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: at same phensycology would be helpful if Matt's uh, if 4 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Matt were turned on here? Um no, I don't even 5 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: know which which one are you on here, Matt. I'm 6 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: just gonna start turning them all in here, Jacob, Matt's 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: Matt is sitting beside me here, but we can't hear him. 8 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on with that, but we'll 9 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: get that figured out here. But it is a beautiful 10 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: day here at St. Vincent College. Not a cloud in 11 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: the sky. Maybe just don't plug me. Come on, Jacob, 12 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: I'm back. There is maybe the nicest day weather wise, 13 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: entire camp going out with a bang here, unbelievably blue skies. 14 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: I love the mountains in the background. Well Blant just left. 15 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't get a fan boy moment with 16 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: mel Blanche did pretty high on my list of and 17 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: boy former Steelers for sure, And I'm actually kind of 18 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: proud of myself. One of the assignments they gave me 19 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: a three or four years ago. I put together a 20 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: video and did all the writing and um, narrating of 21 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: it of Mel Blunt as the second greatest Steeler that 22 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 1: ever lived. I mean, with seventy five, I'm gonna give 23 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: the nod there for number one. But I thought I 24 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: put a pretty good case together. You can find it 25 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: on YouTube. It's probably still are on Steelers dot com, 26 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: but pretty awesome, to be honest with you. Yeah, good 27 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 1: stuff there. Uh, Matt, the shoe has finally dropped. Yeah, 28 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: that's the big story. Eleven games for Deshaun Watson, a 29 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: five million dollar fine. They really this was very calculated 30 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 1: by the NFL. Absolutely none of this. Maybe we should 31 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: have guessed this when the Texans were scheduled as Cleveland's 32 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: twelfth game of the season. This was the plan all 33 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: along at Houston at Houston. Yeah, his first game back 34 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: will be at Houston. But that'll go over well. I'm 35 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: sure it'll be a really nice easy road for him. Absolutely, 36 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: but the lead, after not playing for basically two years, 37 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: people are saying, well, that's not enough games for de 38 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: Shaun Watson. Blah blah blah. It's the perfect number. It's 39 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: the perfect number if you want to stick it to 40 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: the Browns here and here's why. So to to have 41 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: your contract count for a season. You have to play 42 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: at least six games in an NFL season. They play 43 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: seventeen games. Now at eleven of them, he won't be there. 44 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: He won't be there for the first eleven. Eleven is 45 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: six an accident, not an accident. And also the Browns 46 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: cannot toll that contract. Therefore, he counts his entire contract 47 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: counts against their their cap this year, and then next 48 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: year his cap hit jumps to fifty five million dollars 49 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: instead of the nine point seven that it is this year, 50 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: and so they can't do anything with that. And oh, 51 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: by the way, the Browns are thirty two million dollars 52 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: over next year's cap projected cap right exactly there. They 53 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: really set this thing up to win this year. I 54 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: mean to have all their chips in. Watson is going 55 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: to be this straw that takes him over. And they 56 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: had good enough supporting, cast better quarterback. We're gonna win 57 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: this whole thing. And you know this, this cap space situation, 58 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: and his contract is set up exactly that way. He's 59 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: like a nine point something UH cap hit this year, 60 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: which is nothing for a starting quarterback. Let it in 61 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: a star like him, and then the next three years 62 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 1: is or four, I can't remember. It's like the Bills come, 63 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: you know, the home to roost and they're at the 64 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: very bottom league. As you mentioned in cap space available 65 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: for next year and then even the following year, I 66 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: clicked on their way at the bottom league. You know, 67 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: so they have all kinds of issues. Um. To your point, 68 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: this was all calculated by the NFL, as well as 69 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: the five billion dollar fine because they're laughing at the 70 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: Browns and the in Watson for structuring the contract the 71 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: way they did that. They don't have to pay hardly 72 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: any fine for when he's out. I have some ideas 73 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: but we can talk about. But I mean, what's next 74 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: for the Browns I think is interesting that will be 75 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: because here's the schedule now, so the games that he 76 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: will miss Carolina at Carolina, New York at home, real quick, 77 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: let's go through it. I mean, I think they're a 78 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: dog at Carolina. Baker Mayfield is just basically announced as 79 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: the starter in Carolina for that game. You think Baker 80 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: might want to beat the Browns and that works out 81 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: pretty well too some musty TV on Oh yeah yeah, uh. 82 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: Week two is at home against the Jets. I would 83 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: think their favorite. If they played that game today with Brissette. Yeah, 84 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: then they come back in week three. It's a Thursday 85 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: night game against the Steelers, which good for the Steelers, 86 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: but we kind of knew, no matter what, he wasn't 87 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: gonna play. Then it's at Atlanta. I think their favorite 88 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: in that one. If they'll be favorite, but it won't. 89 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: It might be a picking game. I mean if if 90 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: the Browns are one and two at that point or 91 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: oh and three, I think Atlanta is horrible. Yeah, I 92 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: think so too. Uh. Then you got the Chargers at home. 93 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: This is when things pick up. This is when things 94 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: get really nasty. Yeah, Chargers at home, Patriots at home 95 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: at Baltimore, Cincinnati at home, at Miami at Buffalo, Tampa 96 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: Bay at home. And then dis Joan Watson comes back. 97 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: What are they like? Three and eight? So I think 98 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: even when he gets back, I know, Houston doesn't look 99 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: like the most stiff challenge, but the emotion and all 100 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: that stuff is gonna be insane and and all that. 101 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: I just think there has to be rusted at least 102 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: for two weeks, don't you think, Like I don't think 103 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: we get the same version of the Sean and we thirteen. 104 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: I guess it would because they have eleven games they 105 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: had to buy, so maybe they still squeak by Houston. 106 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: But if you look at it past Houston, it gets 107 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: really rough too. Yeah. Then it's at Cincinnati, Baltimore, at home, 108 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: New Orleans, at home, at Washington, at Pittsburgh. They're gonna 109 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: be a five win football team this year. See, I think, 110 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: if what do they have to do to have a 111 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: chance in those first eleven how many wins do they 112 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: have to get to be playoff eligible? You know, at 113 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: least have a chance to get in the playoffs. Five? Five, 114 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: I just don't see. I don't see five there. And 115 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: then and then even if you get the five, can 116 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: you beat can you win stack five or six wins 117 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: together in those last in that last six? No, you know, 118 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: he'd have to be a superstar. Yeah, I mean, he 119 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: absolutely well. By that point, the team is gonna have 120 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: a bunch of I mean, what the injuries are they 121 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: going to have? You know that kind of start. I mean, 122 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: I mean, who's to predict what's going on to their 123 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: five win team? And I think Houston, who has their 124 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 1: first round pick next year, it's the benefactor. It's like 125 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: this is fantastic. Yeah, and so if Houston beats him 126 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: on his way back, that helps him in two ways. 127 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: And you win the game, you win the game, you 128 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: lose the game, you win the game. I tend to 129 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: think they'll probably win six when it's said and done. 130 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: But anyway you cut it, I mean, I don't see 131 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: the playoffs even being a realistic possibility for them. So 132 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: the news broke like at noon, and we recorded my 133 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: podcast a little afternoon and we were just talking through 134 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: some of the situations. Let me run some things by you. Okay, 135 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: now what do I do now? If I'm the g 136 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: of the Browns, are in charge of the Browns, whatever 137 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: the owner tells you, the guy. But the one thing 138 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 1: they do have going for him is they have more 139 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: cap space this year than any team in the league. 140 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: They have about forty where whoever's two has like twenty 141 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: one or so. They could roll all that over and 142 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: at least and they'd be even Stephen bigger, give or take. 143 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: They wouldn't be the worst cap team in the league. 144 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: It would help immensely. They probably, no matter what, after 145 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: this offseason, are going to have to cut a few players. 146 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I keep thinking about like Jack Conklin or 147 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: Amari Cooper or you know Clowney those and they certainly 148 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: won't be able to bring anybody in and they don't 149 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,679 Speaker 1: have a first round pick, But you could really punt 150 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: the season away and survive a little next year. What 151 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: my co host, who's a Niners guy, suggested is, if 152 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: you want to compete this year and go get Jimmy, 153 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: you could trade a future pick like a fifth two thousand, 154 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: twenty three and maybe incentivizing with how many games he plays. 155 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: But when would Jimmy be ready? I mean, that wouldn't 156 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: be night and day. And then things get a little 157 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: hairy in week thirteen when it's Jimmy, Bursett, and Watson 158 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: all in the room together. But his point was, if 159 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: you make a deal for Jimmy, now it's the same verbiage, 160 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: it's the same system. Mentally he could be able to 161 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: adapt quickly. Physically would be a different story. And then 162 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: you could even trade Jimmy at the at the trade 163 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: deadline or use him up for the year, and he 164 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: sent him on a way and the comp game you 165 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: would probably get more back then you gave up for Jimmy. 166 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: You might actually win a little bit and I know 167 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: now if in cleveland's on the on the phone. Yeah, 168 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I need a second round pick. Yeah, but 169 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: you had I mean one day ago, you were just 170 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: in trouble with a guy. I mean it was released 171 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: or nothing. I don't know that it's gonna be released 172 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: or nothing. Somebody else is gonna get hurt. I mean 173 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: you could wait it out again. I think you just 174 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: continue to wait. That you've carried him this long, what's 175 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: the difference. I guess there's nothing. What's the urgency for 176 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: san France? There's no there's none, and they're not giving 177 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: that money to any Are they gonna do Jimmy if 178 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: they'd be doing Jimmy a favor by moving him now, 179 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: but that I don't know if I could see them doing. 180 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if they're worried about that. Though they 181 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: want to get as much out of him as they can. 182 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: I think they also want to keep on a Seattle 183 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: correct I think too, you know to uh, I don't know. 184 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: I don't know if I would care if I if 185 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: I trade him to Seattle. I don't think Seattle becomes 186 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: a contender. Old No, that's that's my thing. So yeah, Seattle, 187 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: come on, give us an offer. I mean, if Wilson's 188 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 1: injury would have been a little worse than the Jets, 189 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: he may have already been there, you know, And there 190 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: could be another one like those in the next three 191 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: to three days too. I don't know, I mean I would, 192 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: would you can? I guess My question is would you 193 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: consider that move? If you're the Browns, you know you 194 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: can't give up a pick this year. You could pay Jimmy, 195 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: but then you don't roll that money. Then you lose 196 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: the money to roll. And is he really gonna make 197 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: you that much better than or set? And how long 198 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: we'll take until he does. Here's the thing, those three 199 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: in the quarterback room together. His bass salary is twenty 200 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: four point two million dollars Jimmy. So if the Browns 201 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: take that on, they lose that of the money they 202 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: get to roll over next year, even if they Yeah, 203 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: but even well again, though, if to do that, if 204 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: I'm San Francisco again, you want to you want if 205 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: it yields me a better pick, it yields me a 206 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 1: better pick? Yeah, Um, you know it's gonna be my 207 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: My ask is gonna be a two. I think that's 208 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: a little pie in the sky. I mean, what's Cleveland 209 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: gonna do? Yeah, you know, um, you can say, hey, 210 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: we'll just we'll just hold on to him. We've already 211 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: got him under the cap. We could trade him at 212 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: the trade That's an interesting thought. I mean, I think 213 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: the two is a little lofty. I think though, if 214 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: they wait, let's say they wait, they trade him in 215 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: week two. Somebody has a starter go down in week two, 216 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: then they're gonna get it to probably if it's especially 217 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: if it's a contending team like let's say Tom Brady 218 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: he goes down in this, Okay, Tampa might give you 219 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: a one, right possible? I mean Bradford got a one 220 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: when there was a you know, total emergency knee situation. 221 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: You think, okay, we're a contending team except for the quarterback, 222 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: and now we don't have a quarterback. I still might 223 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: take the burden hand if I were the nine or so, 224 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: if I can get a two years, so now I 225 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: can get a fourth out of it or something like that, 226 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: or a fourth that could turn into a third. I 227 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: don't know how would you handle if you're the Browns 228 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 1: more so than the Niner standpoint, Are you just gonna 229 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: roll with for set hope you're somewhat close to five hundred. 230 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 1: When Watson shows up on a white horse and roll 231 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: that money over, that's probably better for the future. It's 232 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 1: better for the long term. Yeah, future for sure. Again, 233 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: you trade for Jimmy, um, and maybe even like dump 234 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt in a little bit of his salary and 235 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: pick up a fifth or six. Yeah, I mean you're 236 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: you're saying that, you know, waiting, you want you want 237 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: to give up a fourth or a fifth. Well that 238 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: then you're taking on all the salary and then if 239 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: you lose that, now you're over the cap again next year. Like, 240 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: I don't think I would want to bring in Jimmy. 241 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: And does Jimmy Did Jimmy make a Super Bowl contender? Right? 242 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: It's a question or what's your goal just to get 243 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: in the playoffs and stay competitive or build a dynasty? 244 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, nobody's seen Jimmy throw football yet, 245 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: right right, right right, We're in mid August and he's 246 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: never thrown to those guys. And I mean, I wouldn't 247 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: think he'd be the Week one starter if they traded 248 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,719 Speaker 1: for him, right, might be, but they'd have to really 249 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: dumb down dumb things down and things. Okay, Jimmy, what 250 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: are your top fifteen place? What do you think you 251 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: have gotten better since he's been here or you know, 252 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: I mean these practice reps are valuable, absolutely, and you're 253 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: out of your running into preseason games here. It's not 254 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: like you're gonna you know, I I don't. I don't 255 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: see it happening. I mean, I think the Browns are screwed. 256 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: Is the bottom that's the bottom line. That's the bottom line. Like, 257 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: is there any out that makes it better for them 258 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: knowing what they know now? Maybe? But yeah, they made 259 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: their bed. Now they're gonna to lay in um again. 260 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: If I'm the forty niners, I'm just holding the crying 261 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 1: for the Browns novation, right, I'm holding on to to 262 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: to Jimmy here until somebody has an extreme need. I'll wait. 263 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 1: You know, if let's you know, let's say Jamis Winston 264 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: goes down again, you think you think the Saints would 265 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: make a train for Jimmy. Jimmy, Yeah, absolutely, Jimmy might 266 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: be better. You might be better, right, you know, that 267 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: might be a better situation. We both thought if the 268 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: Jets would have you know, brought in Jimmy will be 269 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: like now I want to lie your more right, Yeah, 270 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: now there, Now they might be a little more danger. 271 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: It might be play the Steelers or you know right now, 272 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: I hear you. He does have value and I guess 273 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: I would not give him away. Um I can't. Here's 274 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: the team that like, Why wouldn't the Falcons at least 275 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: be I know they don't have camp space. Yeah, I 276 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: don't think they have cap space. But you if you 277 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: make that deal, Um, I don't love that for Atlanta. 278 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: I mean I think that takes you from a three 279 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: win team to a six win team and you probably 280 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: don't what are they view it that way? Would they 281 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 1: win last year? Eight? Seven or seven or eight? But 282 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: by accident? Right? I mean it's lucky as you can 283 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: get that way. I don't know. Or if you're Houston, 284 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: you know you're looking you're looking at this going okay, 285 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: and they they have a track, they have a back, 286 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: they draft those guys were there in New England when 287 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: they drift connection. There's a connection there. You look at 288 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: your roster going okay, we kind of like Davis Mills, 289 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: but it wouldn't be nice to have Jimmy here and 290 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: we don't have to worry about the quarterback position and 291 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: maybe we could get into the conversation and win the 292 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: uh when this a f C South, Yeah, there aren't 293 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: many landing spots. I don't love either one of those, 294 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, because I'm all here you. 295 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I was even thinking the opposite direction, like 296 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: what if you're Tampa and you know this is Brady's 297 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: last year. He's great backup plan and if he yeah, 298 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: he could be the guy next year. You don't have 299 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: to compete with anybody to you know, he could be 300 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: your Week one starter a year from now while you 301 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: draft somebody or whatever, find an extra Bhisky or something. 302 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I think it's really interesting. 303 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: I think the Browns are in a really bad spot. 304 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: And I think the the NFL was very deliberate with 305 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: the numbers they picked and how they did this. This 306 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: was very well thought out. That's the other thing, man, 307 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: is I don't think anybody else in the league, any 308 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: of the other team teams are going to be real 309 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: interested in doing Cleveland a favor here, No, right, right, right, 310 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: I mean I think more we'll take the approach you 311 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: just said, like give me a two then yeah, right, 312 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: You're gonna be Okay, you gave up, you gave up 313 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: the farm to go get the Shawn Watson, and you 314 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: overpaid for that on many fronts, many fronts. Right now 315 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: you're gonna now it's gonna cost you to come get 316 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: get our guy. We're not just gonna give him to you. 317 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: I'd rather see him go to Seattle than give him 318 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: to you. So I originally looked at it like an opportunity, 319 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: Like I didn't really have any takers for Jimmy a 320 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: day ago. Now I do, give me the bird in 321 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: the hand, give me a future four like that, I 322 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: have no I have no interest if him in Sam. 323 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: If I'm San Francisco and just getting a four for 324 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: Jimmy because if I hold on to him this year 325 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: and do nothing, I'm gonna get a third round compensatory 326 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: pick next year in the same draft. Yeah, in that 327 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: same rounds are going to give you a pick upcoming draft. 328 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: Four does nothing for me. I went I went to 329 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: three because he's a quarterback. Somebody's gonna sign Jimmy. He's 330 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: gonna money. He could not play this year, and he'll 331 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: make at least what Trabisky did you know, probably more. 332 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: Probably he's got a better somebody's gonna give him twenty 333 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: plus million a year. I mean, Tampa, he might be 334 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: the hottest free agent quarterback on the market next year. 335 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: It's possible. I mean, his stock won't drop way stock 336 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: drops as if he plays and plays really poorly. It's bad, 337 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: badly badly injured, and it might be better for him 338 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: because he's he'll be a year or move from that 339 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: shoulder surgery right right, and he still would probably considered 340 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: an NFL starting quarterback. I mean, if they could, they 341 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: could go to Jimmy and say, Jimmy, we're gonna we 342 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: don't want to carry this, uh, this U point six 343 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: million dollar cap hit. You know, can you work out 344 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: something here. Let's lower that. We'll pay you for the season, 345 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: and uh, we'll make sure you know we won't do 346 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: anything with you next year. You can go on your way. 347 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: Ye take the year off, and Lance happens to get injured, 348 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: we're calling you. You're here the guy we're calling. Maybe 349 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: I don't know how that goes. I mean, I don't 350 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: think it's like a Baker Cleveland situation where he has 351 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: to get out of here. I mean, I think everyone's 352 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: friendly and he's not controversial or anything like that. I mean, 353 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 1: everyone realized it's Lance's team. I don't know. I don't 354 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: see a clear path of how that all works out, 355 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: because I'm certainly not interested, or how the Browns make 356 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: move number two, eating more of that cap space and 357 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: only getting a four next year. No, I can just 358 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: hold on to him and get a three next year, 359 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: probably two years from let him walk, because it's so 360 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: late to be different. A free agency was around the corner. 361 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: Or that's why my ask is gonna be. So I'm 362 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: asking for at least a two in this situation, because 363 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: that's better than the third I'm gonna get if I 364 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,959 Speaker 1: hold onto him, and I don't have to cut him 365 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: because I've already got him under the cap. Yeah, he's 366 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: already don't have that money to use for anyone else 367 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: that now, they could roll that money over next year. 368 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: He's got only a two million dollar dead cap hit, 369 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: so I could see them as eventually releasing him. No, 370 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: I think that's very possible, but but he would wait. 371 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: I don't care if he goes to Seattle. If I'm 372 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: the forty niners we Sawcyatt Seattles, what are they? Jimmy 373 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: can drop Alo make them a super Bowl contender. I 374 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: don't think so. No, no, you don't even know he 375 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: makes him a seven win team. I don't think he 376 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: does either. But he's better what they got. But I 377 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: wouldn't be worried about helping Seattle because I don't see 378 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: them as a threat. So Seattle. If Seattle says, okay, 379 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: we this this quarterback competition hasn't worked out, we'll give 380 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: you a two, okay, Well yeah, yeah, they know it. 381 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: Definitely take seattles to Yeah. I don't care who it is. 382 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: I'll take it too. From an I take Seattle's third, 383 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: it'll be yeah, early third, you know, especially if it's 384 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: in this upcoming draft. Interesting though it's all very it's 385 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: all very fast. There there will be another shoe to 386 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: drop here. But I don't know that that the Browns 387 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 1: might be better. Just that cap space to next year. 388 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: I hope that you're competitive when d Sean comes back 389 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: and see where the chips lay, and maybe you're the 390 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: hottest team in the league in December. You know that's 391 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: your only chance. Yeah, and you don't get a first 392 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: round pick anyway, and you'll get first round pick anyway. 393 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: Somehow you sneak into the playoffs. You know, you're the 394 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: team no one wants to play. Yeah, that's best case. 395 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: And I don't think that. I don't think that's kind 396 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: of that happened, right. He is Matt Williamson. I am 397 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: Dale Lollly. You're listening to the Drive here on Steelers 398 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,239 Speaker 1: Nation Radio and ESPN nine seventy. Oh. By the way, uh, 399 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: the Steelers practice is taking place here in front of us, 400 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: so we'll get to start talking about that. Here. They 401 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: are stretching right now. We are live from St. Vincent College. 402 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: We'll be back with more right after this. He's the 403 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 1: Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on Home of 404 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: the Black and Gold, Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back. I'm 405 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: Dale Allly here with Matt Williamson. We are live from 406 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: Steelers training camp here on ESPN nine seventy and Steelers 407 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: Nation Radio and the Steelers going through the stuff motions 408 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: here today, get getting ready for Plark. Just not really 409 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: going through the motions, though yesterday was more going through 410 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: the motions. They're back in paths today again. Matt I 411 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: and my Hunches coach Tomlin looked at yesterday's practice going 412 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: into it and thought this will be kind of a 413 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: very low key We kind of called it a better 414 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: version of a walkthrough prepare for Jacksonville. Teach this team 415 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: what it means like to prepare during the season, all 416 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: the things we talked about yesterday and then realized the effort. 417 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: Here's lots of great been that way when they've they've 418 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: gone from padded practices to non padded practices and feel 419 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: like there's just kind of a drop in the which 420 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 1: should do. I mean, like when we were doing the show, 421 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 1: was like, there's just not much to talk about in 422 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: this practice. There's really nothing going on. I couldn't believe 423 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: they didn't even do seven shots, you know, like that 424 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,239 Speaker 1: always sets the tone. Even in the regular season, they 425 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: do seven shots. Yeah, right, right right. I mean, so 426 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: my hunches either Tomlin decided that was two lacks or 427 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: I shouldn't put that in there. Let's go out with 428 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: a bang. I expect this to be a good practice 429 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: just from the you know, twenty minutes we've seen them 430 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: stretch and get ready. I mean they're in pads, there's 431 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: a little more pepping all their stuff, and that's good, 432 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm sure they're excited to leave to 433 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: just like you know. Yeah, the race down the highway 434 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: will start tonight. I assume they're doing their walk through 435 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: tomorrow on the south side before they fly out. Yeah, 436 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: that makes sense. Probably do it in the morning as 437 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: opposed to doing it staying here another night and then 438 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: doing it. So I think this is definitely the last 439 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: night here. Um, yeah, I think that definitely good stuff today. 440 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: Definitely seeing some more pepping the step here and uh, well, 441 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: Calvin Austin out there again. He's looking a little more 442 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: mobile today than he had. I'm still not still not 443 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: ready to play yet, but not in the boot again. 444 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 1: It seems like he's coming along well, I mean not 445 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 1: the word doctors. There's a heck of catch by Deante 446 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: by the Yeah, they're they're throwing bad balls here. Make 447 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: the guys go get them the wide receivers stuff before. 448 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: We just have to be be right next to the the receiver drills, 449 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: so that picking the guy makes plays and that Deonte 450 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: guy makes plays and yeah, yeah, they're gonna be okay, 451 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 1: they'll be fine, They're gonna be okay. I actually talked 452 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: to Deante Johnson about that today, Matt and I asked him, okay, 453 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: so we just finally saw the five top five eligibles 454 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: on the team, or the top five that everybody presumes, 455 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: or the starting top five get on the field together 456 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: this week. First time in this training camp where you've 457 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: seen Johnson out there with Claypool and Pickens and Friar 458 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: Muth and Harris best five skool guys they got right, 459 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: And I asked Deonte said, okay, so if you're an 460 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: opposing defensive coordinator, who are you doubling? Somebody's probably gonna 461 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: get doubled. That's what he did say. Okay, he said, well, 462 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: they'll they'll double me. But then if they do that, 463 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 1: they're leaving They're leaving g P on the other side. Uh, 464 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: singled up. That's not gonna work well, right, Um, I 465 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: mean someone or two are gonna get favorable matchups, right, 466 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 1: I mean, not that you can doubling. I'm putting that 467 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: in air quotes. Isn't like doubling the dude in bast No. 468 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 1: You know, you gotta safety over the top or whatever. 469 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 1: Are you a linebacker takes away the slant or what 470 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: you know. There's a lot of scheme stuff, but you 471 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: can roll coverage or effect coverage for two guys reasonably well. 472 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,239 Speaker 1: With with scheme and help out against two weapons in 473 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: some way, shape or form. Once you start getting the 474 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: three good quarterbacks are gonna find you know, the matchup 475 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: they like, I mean, let alone five. You know, there's 476 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,959 Speaker 1: definitely some some matchup issues there when you look at 477 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: that group. I even talked to I talked to Anthony 478 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: Miller today or Anthony McFarland today as well, and I said, 479 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: you look like you've been much more decisive as a 480 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: running because, yeah, I finally you know, I figured out that, um, 481 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: a four yard run is a good is a good 482 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: run in this league. I was, I was, I was 483 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: looking for the home runs all the time in the past. Yeah, 484 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 1: it's funny. It shows so total coincidence. I was listening 485 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: to podcasts this morning. I preference preference for many of 486 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 1: my sentences with that, and Matt Waldboom was on kind 487 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 1: of a running back expert, and he has this little 488 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: theory of what what Frank Gore do? You know? And 489 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: he breaks down all these runs and he on his site, 490 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: he broke down an early career McFarland run, saying this 491 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: is where he left yards on the field, this is 492 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: where he danced too much. And then he showed the 493 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: exact same run with Frank Gore, even it's fifty three 494 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: years older or whatever he was at the end of 495 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 1: his career. Gore gets fifteen out of it. McFarland got one. 496 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 1: You know. It's just people don't think about being a 497 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: professional runner and knowing what you're blocking supposed to do 498 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: and how the defense is going to react. And you know, 499 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: it wasn't like, Wow, what an amazing run. He looks 500 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: like Marshall falk Er, Nadian Tomlins, and he was just 501 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: a professional runner that you know, allowed his teammates to 502 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: make them better. And that's why he's stuck in the 503 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: league for fifteen years exactly. And coaches love that stuff, 504 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 1: and I think McFarland is learning it and that's a 505 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: huge step. It absolutely is. And and for him, you know, 506 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: the big runs will come because he's typically if he's 507 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: not if he's not the fastest guy in the field 508 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: when he's out there, he's just second fastest. There may 509 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: be the defense is one guy who can run with 510 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: him speeds on a problem. Speed is certainly not not 511 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 1: a factor there. I also asked me, because so you 512 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: know you're playing a lot in the slot um in 513 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 1: those situations said, you get a linebacker on you, you you 514 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: gotta be you gotta be looking at that because I 515 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 1: I just won. Yeah, yeah, yeah, He's like, yeah, if 516 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,239 Speaker 1: they put a linebacker on me the way I see it, 517 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: it's uh, I'm not sure what that was all about. 518 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. One of the coaches I wasn't even 519 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: paying much attention was preaching to the crowd and now 520 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they're all wound up. So if 521 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: energy is high here, that might have been Garrett Chemont 522 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: coming over. Yeah, I'm not sure what he told him, 523 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 1: but whatever it is, it's got a lit a fire 524 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,360 Speaker 1: under this that maybe it's hey, this is our last 525 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: practice out here today. Let let them know you're here. 526 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: What it's sure it feels like and the energy is 527 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: high again, So this the that this uh you're right 528 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: about my farm? Yeah the way, And it really came 529 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: along way as a past receiver to this route that 530 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: they're practicing here today, and they practice it going back 531 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: the other way. It's like four steps off the line 532 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 1: and break back to the ball. They're practicing that that 533 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 1: little bubble screen yeah right right right, but it's not 534 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 1: at the line of scrimment. You're trying to drive that 535 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: corner off a little, you know. So, Um again, I'm 536 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: sure we'll see those in practice. I'm sure you'll see 537 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 1: a couple of those routes on Saturday night. Yeah, they 538 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: practice these things, Jacob said. He came over and said, 539 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: create an away game environment. I don't know if you 540 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: can do that in this situation, but yeah, I don't 541 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: think you canna get that right or if crowd noise 542 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: is a problem, we can't get you get the play 543 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: calls in or out. Yeah, Derek, what back on the 544 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,959 Speaker 1: field today. That's that's good to see. He hasn't been 545 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: he's been out for a while. Now. Um, we got 546 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: seven shots setting up here. It looks like it. Yeah, 547 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: here we go. I'm expecting good alright, so we'll give 548 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: you the run down here where we got going here. 549 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: Let we got ones versus ones as usual, and even 550 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: t J is out there, and it looks like Gentry 551 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: might be in the mix. He doesn't have a helmet 552 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: on yet, but he's yeah, he get the helmet on 553 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: now in there. Okay, so you get you get the 554 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: number one defense out there, and you got I can't 555 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: see who the back is. That's nag Nagy. Yeah, I 556 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: see Deante Johnson out there. Um, it's definitely Truebiskie in 557 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 1: the huddle with them, so he will take the got cam. Heyward, 558 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: you got what you got the top dog. There's still 559 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: national folks out there talking about this is if it's 560 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: a quarterback battle. There, there's the crowd getting there. There 561 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: we go. Let go Okay, so we got we get 562 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 1: four spread out and back in the backfield. Naji Harris 563 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: to to the right to gentry motions from my left 564 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: to right. Priarmouth is not on the field. Trisky drops back. Oh, 565 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: somebody tipped out the line of scrimmage. Get tipped. It 566 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: looked like it and it tipped off of off of 567 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: Naji Harris's hands. Uh, somebody got a hand on that one. Up. 568 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: Harris was open for the touchdown. He was a little 569 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 1: piece of it. Yeah, tipped and then the wait what reacted? 570 00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: Maybe it was him, but I thought it had been 571 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: an interior your guy. It was there for the taking 572 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: that it was it was. He was open. He made 573 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: a nice, nice route, Yeah, very much so. Having that 574 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: chance to watch Nazi run a lot of routes lately, 575 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: but it's really good at it. Yeah, absolutely, all right, 576 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 1: we're spread here again. Got two. I took a receiver 577 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: off Johnson and Claypool to the Yeah, Johnson and claypol 578 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: to the right. He's going taking a single match up 579 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: with Pickens. Almost came down almost hand catch, but in 580 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: a typical Pickens manner, almost makes a tremendous play on 581 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: the ball, and this time it didn't end up being 582 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: a touchdown. But I don't think they care who the 583 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: corner is. No, he's just won one on one matchup. 584 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: I mean he was going there the second the ball. Yeah, 585 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: that was was that Weatherspoon or Leavy Wallace over there 586 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: in coverage? I think it was Wallace. I think it 587 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: was Wallace as well. I think Wallace is almost always 588 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: gonna be the right corner. Or was it Sutton? Sutton's 589 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: lined up there now he might have been in the slot. 590 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: He may have been a slot. I got heavier for me. 591 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: We got a heavy formation with But that's open that 592 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: Jalen Warren in the backfield. He goes in untouched the 593 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: skill guys in, Yeah, it was up. Somebody's down. It's 594 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: camp Heyward. Maybe that's why that hole opened up and 595 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: uh crowd got a lot quiet. Yeah, I hope this 596 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: isn't too bad. Yeah, they're checking him out to everybody's 597 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: standing around watching now, Yeah, not not a good that's 598 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: you don't need that. I don't need that. He's getting 599 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: up now, all right. He calls himself the Wolverine. He like, 600 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: he just says he's great healing powers. He's walking off 601 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: the taking taking the defensive line off now, like if 602 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: these guys, yeah, okay, word up, I'm walking off on 603 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: the slow. He's moving slow. I don't want to be 604 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: a doom and gloom here, but he's not moving very sprightly, 605 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: walking himself off. I would imagine that's the last you 606 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: see of him until week one something. He's ready. They 607 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: just told about of the game on Saturday. Just we 608 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: don't need to see that. And you know, alright, so 609 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: we got for risky here again. This is a shotgun 610 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: snap and that was Friar. Muth just took it away 611 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: from it, took it away from the cornerback. Yeah, that 612 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: was nicely done. And mostly the two's out there in 613 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: terms of skill guys, but Muth was probably the best player. 614 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: They went to him and he made a big play, 615 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: like a quick little slant there he was he on 616 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: the outside on that. I think I think he was 617 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: in the slot because there was another receiver underneath him 618 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: to the inside. All right, Now we got Kenny Pickett 619 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: with his chance here at this you're listening to ESPN 620 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: nine seven and Steelers Nation Radio and you hear the 621 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: sets under on their center and then shifts everybody out 622 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: and spreads everybody out here. Now he goes empty. There's 623 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: that little so there's that little screen that they were 624 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: running here got in I think pretty close. Yeah, I 625 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: think is that little wide receiver slip screen and that 626 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: was who is that over there? Twenty one? That's what's 627 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: his uh is? That's uh they changed that. That's the 628 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: numbers Blakestan Blake, Christian Blake. Yeah, Abriel almost made a 629 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: play there too, or now that was Scott and it 630 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: was Demons. Scott kind of came free and pick it. 631 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: It was pretty crafty about getting the ball out around 632 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: the rusher. See if he gets this one in as well, 633 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: that would be a win for the offense. Here and 634 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: there it is Miles Boykin. Yep, yep, touchdown the Miles 635 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: Boykin's quick hitting throws right inside the goal line. I've 636 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: been pretty successful on this mission. It looks like the 637 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: offense will eat well again tonight. They have now won 638 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: the drill. It's it's four to two now offense. And 639 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: now we see, yeah, see how Mason fairs here. He's 640 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: got Raider with him, he's got White, he's got Snell 641 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: on the backfield. Indications here Snell might not be the 642 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: second running back anymore. Yeah, I think j Warrens is 643 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: taking taking that over here looking. Uh. I thought he 644 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: was going to the outside receiver there, and yeah, I 645 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: did a nice job. HiT's a it's uh that is 646 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: uh Tyler Snead. Yeah, Uh just led him perfectly through 647 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: the kind of threw him open and the almost had 648 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,719 Speaker 1: no choice for the catch and he put right on 649 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: him now. And what's funny, he's just from our angle 650 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: was a little bit of an optical illusion. But there 651 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: was a fade route going behind him, and that's where 652 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: I thought he was going to the ball. But he 653 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: threw the nine thousand miles an hours like you're gonna 654 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: knock that guy over. But yeah, I thought it was 655 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: going to the outside receiver. I didn't see Tyler Snead 656 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: breaking out there right. Obviously, Mason Rudolph did and Tyler 657 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: Sneeed is not a big dude. That was that was 658 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: not that was well done. That was well done. That 659 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: was probably the best quarterback play off seven shots. Yeah, 660 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: one throw, but that was nicely done. Quarterbacks staid well 661 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: there picking that they did, Yeah, they did. They made 662 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: some nice throws there. We are overdue for a break. 663 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Ally. You're listening 664 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN 665 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: nine seventy. Offense wins seven shots, five to two, and 666 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: they're getting ready to do some some more drill work here. 667 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,719 Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break. We'll be back with more 668 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: live from Steelers training camp right after this. He's the 669 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on your home 670 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: of the Black and Gold, Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back, Iron, 671 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: Dale Well when he is Matt Williamson. This is the 672 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: Drive on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine seventy. Once again. 673 00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: That yeah, basically read zone offense here and we're seeing it. 674 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: We saw it once again. Jalen Warren used before. So 675 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: we're also talking off the air. A lot of nice 676 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: play designs, you know it just makes easy throws. Pick 677 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 1: up that that two yards you know, get get people 678 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: lean him one way and Hayward leaks out easy throws 679 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 1: six points. You know. I mean a lot of a 680 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: lot of it is play action based, oh so much 681 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: of it, right, Yeah, I'm not knocking Ben, but the 682 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: lack of play action these last four or five years 683 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 1: has almost been an anchor. I mean, like, I don't 684 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 1: think people realize in this town that's exclusively watched Steelers 685 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: how much it's used around the league, which is like 686 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: everyone listening of course, right, and you know what a 687 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: cheat code it can be. And I mean it's just 688 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 1: so hard on the defense. Put him in conflict, get 689 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: him leaning the direction and go the other way. Yeah, 690 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: we shouldn't also note that Kim Hayward is sitting on 691 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: the bench on the other side of the field or 692 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: they did not take him off on a card or 693 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: anything of that nature. So it looks like he's okay. 694 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: That's certainly promising, but just no his leadership and toughness, 695 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: I wonder if he's just gutting it out. They thought 696 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: there was something seriously got him out of here. Um, 697 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: so that is one positive note. I mean I was 698 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: very worried, and he was down in the way he 699 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 1: walked off the field. Yeah, I've seen that like a 700 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: dozen times over the course of his career, and he 701 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: typically gets up. He's already he's standing over there with 702 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: the hat on. Now if he were his day is done, obviously. Yeah, 703 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: he's not gonna practice anymore today. But I think he's 704 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: just gonna he's not even like ice and anything or 705 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: getting any kind of treatment. He might have just got 706 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: banged on the knee, a helmeted the knee or something 707 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: like that. Very painful. Can you imagine that, Yeah, especially 708 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,760 Speaker 1: with one of these big guys. Even even if somebody 709 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: you know, kicked you in the knee, that would hurt 710 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 1: shin or you know. Right now, they're doing gold. I 711 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: guess you'd still call red zone because it's on the twenty. 712 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 1: But they're they're they moved everything back to the twenty um. 713 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: The offense is just offensive. Yeah, yeah, they offensive, Tom 714 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 1: and starting coming to their own I think ski team 715 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: is starting to match experience a little bit, and the 716 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: quarterbacks are all way more comfortable than when we got here. 717 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,800 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a night and day, especially Pickett and Trabinsky. 718 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 1: I think you know, well, I wrote this last last 719 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: Saturday after the game we might almost met Canada and 720 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 1: apology after after this, I think it's very possible. And 721 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: I do think his scheme match as well with the 722 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: old line deficiencies. You know, part of me, deep down 723 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: to the NFL purists thinks, while this line could derail 724 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: all this optimism, but the way they scheme things up, 725 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: and this was your point between between segments, making a 726 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: heck of a lot easier on those guys. You know, 727 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: you don't need to be, you know, the killers out there. 728 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: You know you're gonna be Larry Allen and Walter Jones 729 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,959 Speaker 1: paving the way for people if you can get better 730 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: blocking angles and get the you know, these guys in 731 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: conflict and move them off the ball a little bit 732 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,439 Speaker 1: and manipulate them. And I do think these three quarterbacks again, 733 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: especially Trabisky and Pickett, really sell their fakes well too, 734 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 1: you know, and that goes a long way. Yeah, yeah, 735 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: I think you know, the sometimes the things like ball 736 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 1: hill handling management sometimes gets overlooked with quarterbacks. It's a 737 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: huge component. Remember boomer Sis and you know, right right 738 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: every just freeze everybody, you know, and sometimes a cameraman 739 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 1: didn't even know where the ball is at you right right? 740 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: Or Ben's pump fakes. You know how many how many 741 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 1: times he's changed you know, the a defender by doing 742 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: things like that. Those kind of intricacies are important. You know, 743 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,439 Speaker 1: I've seen you mentioned a pump fakes. So see Mason 744 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,439 Speaker 1: Rudolph used that a couple of times in this camp. 745 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: Uh you know where you see him kind of you know, 746 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: fake to throw and then and then zip it in somewhere. 747 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 1: I wonder if that's something he picked up off of 748 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: Ben all those years of watching Ben. I don't know 749 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 1: if that was part of his game coming out of 750 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: Oklahoma State. I don't remember being a part of it, 751 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: nor do I m you know, there are those are 752 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: the things you can learn from watching, you know, a 753 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: veteran quarterback like that. So maybe maybe maybe I'm sure 754 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 1: you robbed off on him, there's no question about that. Again, 755 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: offense is looking good, and now we've switched it to 756 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 1: the twenty six owned twenty six going long distance of 757 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: the field here from left or right. So yeah, we 758 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,879 Speaker 1: got Kenny in there. Guy in a red beanie again 759 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 1: here with it's a lot of the guy in the 760 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: slot is wearing a beanie most of the time, So 761 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: who would that be with the Jaguars. I guess Kirk. 762 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,359 Speaker 1: I guess he has He didn't play in Week one, 763 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: but I assume he'll play in this game. Um Za 764 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 1: Jones has slot experience. I doubt they're game planning for 765 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 1: Channault at this point in his career. I immediately thought 766 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 1: it might be a t N just because they moved 767 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 1: him all over the place. But I've never seen the 768 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,399 Speaker 1: beanie line from the back of the Kirks this time. 769 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 1: This time he's on the outside because again, I've never 770 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,839 Speaker 1: seen the red beanie guy line up as a running back. 771 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 1: So I tweeted out that jay Len Warren is running 772 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,880 Speaker 1: with the twos and appears he has surpassed Benny Snell, 773 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 1: and one of the fantasy football guys out there tweeted out, 774 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: if you've been following me, you you knew this already. 775 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 1: And I'm like, dude, if if you've been following me, 776 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,799 Speaker 1: you knew this already. We've been talking about jay Len 777 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: Warren for three weeks out here, all right, this is 778 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: nothing new. I reported two weeks ago that he was 779 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,319 Speaker 1: you're not here. We told you this a long time ago. 780 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 1: This was the path he's going on. Um, I guess 781 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,479 Speaker 1: we don't know it for a fact, but my hunter, 782 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 1: I know for a fact that people told me in 783 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 1: the organization that they feel like he's number Two's be 784 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,439 Speaker 1: shocked if he didn't show fast enough. I I don't 785 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 1: know the Snells guaranteed a roster spot. I mean, I 786 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 1: don't think McFarland's getting cut. No, I don't think. Well, 787 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 1: they typically keep four backs, so Benny's value by attrition. 788 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,840 Speaker 1: I mean, the other guys have all gotten hurt at 789 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 1: one time or another, not that Snow hasn't, but they 790 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: know what Snow is and they know if they Hey, 791 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 1: if we had to go into a game and Denny 792 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: Snow was our back, he could handle it. Oh yeah, 793 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: I give him more in a fifty percent chance of 794 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: making the team. But I think Warren's a lock and 795 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,759 Speaker 1: I think McFarland's a lock. Where I wouldn't have said that, 796 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,120 Speaker 1: but minicamp broke Yeah, right, you know they both those 797 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,879 Speaker 1: guys have had good camps to be sure. Um, so 798 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,399 Speaker 1: we'll see here little naked boot there. That's a big 799 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 1: thing they do with Lawrence too. By the way, Lawrence. 800 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,000 Speaker 1: It's a lot of design movement. It's really really good 801 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: at and nice throw by pickt there on the naked boot. 802 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 1: I'm excited to watch Lawrence start to finish too. Yeah, 803 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 1: we'll see how much. First, I've got a couple of 804 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,839 Speaker 1: guys in the beanies there. Well, they get the that's 805 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: the new running back that the Steelers just signed. Um yeah, 806 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:33,319 Speaker 1: Borgiyet of Washington State. Mastertigue goes to the Uh he 807 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: was waved injured, so not good news for him. He's 808 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,359 Speaker 1: in a boot. Yeah. Um, but uh, you know where 809 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,240 Speaker 1: Miller is on I R. I mean he's still a Steeler. Yeah, 810 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 1: but the Max Borgie was with the Abroncos. That's him. Yeah, 811 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 1: that's him with the ball. Okay, yeah, pretty well put 812 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,799 Speaker 1: together guy. Yeah, he had a good career at Washington State. 813 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 1: Played in thirty nine games, starting seven eight yards thirty 814 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,320 Speaker 1: two touchdowns. That's that's not that he also caught a 815 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: gone hundred fifty six catches in his career. So yeah, 816 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: he catches the ball. Uh, I assume pretty well. Yeah, 817 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,840 Speaker 1: sounds like get a shot here to see show what 818 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: he can do. Over the last couple of weeks of 819 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,879 Speaker 1: training camp here. They never practice squad spot or another 820 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: injury opened up for him. You know, it's been a 821 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,839 Speaker 1: lot stranger long shot stories than him that have made 822 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: You've seen it happen before. They signed a guy late 823 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 1: in camp like this, and you think, oh, that's just 824 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 1: another you just need a depth piece there, And next 825 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: thing you know, the guy ends up making the practice 826 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,799 Speaker 1: squad and then becomes a point to Ali the Hand 827 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 1: or Villanueva. That's a pretty good one. Yeah, that they 828 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,880 Speaker 1: signed late in training camp and you're thinking, okay, and 829 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 1: think about it if you're like in Borges mindset, like 830 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,239 Speaker 1: I am going to run down on this kickoff and 831 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,240 Speaker 1: destroy everything right right right, I get a short time. 832 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 1: This is uh the cannonball run time here exactly a 833 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 1: long way to go in a short time they get 834 00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:01,799 Speaker 1: to get there. So yeah, we'll see they're running stuff here. Yeah, 835 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: that's what they're doing. Um, so you know, picking these 836 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,319 Speaker 1: guys look good doing it? Yeah, you know, I mean 837 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: that's gonna be part of the job. If you're not 838 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,279 Speaker 1: the starter, you're not first your last little Ricky Bobby there, 839 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,400 Speaker 1: you know, first your last uh, and you better be 840 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,239 Speaker 1: able to run some scout team stuff. So that's uh, 841 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 1: that's important as well. Um so, I you know, I 842 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 1: often look at that. People talk about, you know, different 843 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: quarterbacks in practice, how's this guy, look, how's that guy 844 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 1: about the starter? And like, well, most of the time 845 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,320 Speaker 1: when you see those guys out there, they're running scout 846 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 1: team stuff. It's not stuff that they're not doing their own. 847 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 1: They're not anything on their own right speak, you know, 848 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 1: doing what they're told and running the script of the 849 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: other team. So in those situations, like when a quarterback 850 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 1: throws an interception or something like that, I'm like, I 851 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,920 Speaker 1: I'm not going to count that against him, Like the 852 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,200 Speaker 1: receiver might have run the wrong route that he you know, 853 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,920 Speaker 1: he I saw this on this on the flip card. 854 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: You saw that you ran an out. I threw an 855 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,759 Speaker 1: in a slant and it looked really bad and it 856 00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: got picked off. But that's not anyway, is because I'm 857 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,920 Speaker 1: pretending like them the Jags, you know, that's what I'm 858 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,440 Speaker 1: being told to do. I Mean, the only indicators sometimes 859 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 1: are if the coaches that are in charge of getting 860 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 1: the scout team lined up are yelling at you all 861 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,719 Speaker 1: the time because you're screwing it up, Well that's not 862 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 1: a real good sign. No, You're probably not gonna be 863 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 1: around very lot. The hardest assignment in the world to 864 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,160 Speaker 1: figure out where you are in the card and what 865 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: you're supposed to do. Absolutely not, Matt. We're gonna take 866 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,880 Speaker 1: another break. Here. We are through our one here of 867 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:28,280 Speaker 1: our final training camp, broadcast here from St. Vincent College. 868 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,760 Speaker 1: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening 869 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,800 Speaker 1: to the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio in ESPN 870 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,479 Speaker 1: nine seventy. We'll be back with our two right after 871 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 1: this