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Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to the Herd.

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Speaker 4: Yes, come back, It's me Jason McIntyre, join by Rachel Nichols.

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Speaker 4: We survived day one without Colin Cowhard.

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Speaker 3: He is fairly jet setting Land. What are the keys

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Speaker 3: right now? Europe?

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Speaker 5: He's got so many homes Iceland?

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Speaker 3: Who could tell?

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Speaker 5: Who knows where?

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Speaker 4: The guy's got a good fight, But Rachel and I

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Speaker 4: hopefully will continue to regale you with fun tails.

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Speaker 3: He got some break yesterday. My man Bruce Feldman coming

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Speaker 3: up top a second hour.

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Speaker 4: He's gonna talk Ohio State against Texas in which should

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Speaker 4: be a phenomenal game on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: And then we got Brian Billick, former Ravens head coach.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure he's gonna love the Lamar Jackson questions, Keevy

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Speaker 4: would a playoff game, the matter, the usual stuff.

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Speaker 3: Listen we have a great show today and I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: start by talking about a list.

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Speaker 4: And as a guy who ran a website for close

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Speaker 4: to a decade, I know a good list. Give me

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Speaker 4: a mock draft, right, there's a good list for you.

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Speaker 4: Top sports movies of all time. Everybody loves a list.

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Speaker 4: It gets people going, It gets them fired up, it

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Speaker 4: gets the engagement going.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 4: So, we had a couple dueling lists this week about

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Speaker 4: the NFL, and wouldn't you know it, my main man,

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Speaker 4: Jalen Hurtz was disrespected on both of them. Okay, the

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Speaker 4: Super Bowl MVP, who was phenomenal in throttling Kansas City,

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Speaker 4: scored three touchdowns in that game. I know the defense

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Speaker 4: had one and Mahomes was on his back most of

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Speaker 4: the night.

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Speaker 3: Travis Kelsey was on a milk carton.

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Speaker 4: But Jalen Hurts, let's remember, was outstanding in that game.

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Speaker 4: And on these lists that emerged this week, one of

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Speaker 4: them over at ESPN their Top one hundred. They claim

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Speaker 4: it is based on expectations for the twenty twenty five season,

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Speaker 4: whatever that is. Maybe they broke out the crystal ball

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Speaker 4: predicting potential greatness. So Patrick Mahomes is at the top

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Speaker 4: of that list. He's coming off the worst season of

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Speaker 4: his career, but sure, Patrick Mahomes won, I don't think

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Speaker 4: anybody has beef. But Jalen Hurts checked in at thirty eight.

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Speaker 4: What that's, folks, six spots lower than he was last year.

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Speaker 3: So he has a great year. And as the article.

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Speaker 4: Notes, he had fifteen touchdown passes and ten rushing touchdowns

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Speaker 4: or more right, for the fourth straight season. Nobody's ever

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Speaker 4: done that in NFL history. Josh Allen is working on two. Okay,

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Speaker 4: that's how good Jalen Hurts has been, folks. The fact

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Speaker 4: that he's thirty eight on this list, it.

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Speaker 3: Annoyed me a little bit.

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Speaker 4: And then you go into Eagles message boards. I spent

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Speaker 4: like eight minutes that I cannot have back on Eagle's

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Speaker 4: message where they're really angry about this. But the disrespect

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Speaker 4: of Hurts, I think I have an answer as to why.

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Speaker 4: But I'm looking at this list and I see some

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Speaker 4: guys that are on there. Okay, you know Derek Singley

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Speaker 4: and we're gonna bring him up twice.

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Speaker 3: It's not a knock.

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Speaker 4: He's a really good cornerback, better than Jalen Hurts at quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I mean folks.

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Speaker 4: Hurts has been in now two Super Bowls already. He's

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Speaker 4: I think the best duel threat quarterback the league has

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Speaker 4: ever seen. And if you want to go Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna fight you. Okay, I get it, Lamar's

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Speaker 4: got an MVP. But Jalen Hurts has the single most

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Speaker 4: unstoppable move in professional football, and that's short yardage. You know,

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Speaker 4: you can have the Lamar Jackson highlights, but give me

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Speaker 4: the Jalen Hurts automatic one yard carry for the first

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Speaker 4: down every time he needs it, I mean goal line situations.

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Speaker 4: It failed miserably against Kansas City. So that's one list

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Speaker 4: where Hurts was disrespect Then comes the NFL NFL dot

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Speaker 4: coming on September first, But wouldn't you know it, Jalen

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Speaker 4: Hurts checks in at nineteen on that list best players

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Speaker 3: Derek Stingley better have a good season in Houston. Now

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Speaker 4: So just a reminder, super Bowl MVP has done historic

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Speaker 3: I look at movies.

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Speaker 4: I love going to the movies, love watching movies, love

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Speaker 3: You win an Oscar, it doesn't get any better than that.

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Speaker 4: In the NFL, where the Super Bowl is the most

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Speaker 4: somebody said something smart in our meeting. Every morning, somebody

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Speaker 4: says something smart, but he's boring, and that I keep

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Speaker 4: coming back to it. It's like, Okay, Jalen Hurts carries

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Speaker 4: a briefcase to games. He does not offer any bulletin

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Speaker 4: board material for folks. You know, Josh Allen had I

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Speaker 4: think the single two greatest plays in the NFL last year,

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Speaker 4: in the regular season, and then he had the hook

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Speaker 4: doesn't have those. He'll have like a twenty yard scramble.

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Speaker 4: That's fun, and he'll have a million brotherly shoves, but

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Speaker 4: that's not sexy. Lamar Jackson dancing running for his life,

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Speaker 4: that's fascinating. Patrick Mahomes unbelievable throws down the field. Hurts

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Speaker 4: you've got Joe Burrow walking the way in Paris wearing

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Speaker 4: wacky outfits that oh man, that's gonna go viral.

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Speaker 3: Look what Joe Burrow's wearing.

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Speaker 4: And Hurts is just boring and dull, and that doesn't

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Speaker 4: register on these lists. It's so weird how disrespected not

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Speaker 4: only Hurts is, but the Eagles. Do you guys remember

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Speaker 4: last year's off season two can the Chiefs three P?

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Speaker 3: That was the big storyline all off.

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Speaker 4: All of the Chiefs. They're juggernaut, they got a three P.

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Speaker 4: Have you heard anything about the Eagles running it back?

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Speaker 4: I look, guys, they're returning ten of eleven starters on offense.

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Speaker 3: Okay, on that top one hundred list for ESPN.

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Speaker 4: They had the most players on the list with ten

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Speaker 4: Sae Kwon Barkley. Yeah, back healthy. Why aren't we talking

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Speaker 4: about Eagles building a potential dynasty? Go if you want

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Speaker 4: a fun exercise. Pro Football Focus lists the age of

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Speaker 4: all the players and their grades. The Eagles have to

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Speaker 4: have the most amount of best young players in the league.

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Speaker 4: They are stacked because they draft. It's really well, They've

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Speaker 4: running it back. I hear a lot of this is

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Speaker 4: Cowhard loves the Rams. Hey, Matt Stafford. They Addavante Adams.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's all excited because they added a wide receiver.

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Speaker 4: I think we're sleeping on the Eagles, who are in

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Speaker 4: as good of shape to build something real, spicy and

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Speaker 4: philly as we've seen since the Kansas City Chiefs. Now,

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Speaker 4: let's move on to a quarterback we know a little

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Speaker 4: less about, and that's Arch Manning.

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Speaker 3: Obviously.

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Speaker 4: The huge Texas Ohio State games Saturday here on Fox,

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Speaker 4: football in a while, because it's really the hard launch

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Speaker 4: of arch Manning. And I said something on the show

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Speaker 4: buddy who graduated from Texas and he's on text change

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Speaker 4: can you believe Max?

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Speaker 4: And I asked our guests Jeff Schwartz, I said, you know,

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Speaker 4: is arch Manning good?

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Speaker 3: Do we know if he's good? Here's what Jeff Schwartz

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Speaker 7: I don't think we know if he's good yet. And

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Speaker 7: that's okay, still one hundred passes of college football. There

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Speaker 7: are certainly people that evaluate quarterbacks who think he's very good,

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Speaker 7: at certain times that are high level traits. He has

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Speaker 7: made big throws, he's made big runs. They put him

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Speaker 7: into games and situations where you think, to yourself, maybe

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Speaker 7: I'm surprised he's in this. You know, in that spot

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Speaker 7: he's shown those abilities.

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Speaker 7: Of course, it's different when teams have watched film on

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Speaker 7: new offensive linemen. The potential's all there. I think it's

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Speaker 7: earlier to say yes or no. People already mocking him

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Speaker 7: he gets to play on Saturday.

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Speaker 4: So essentially what Jeff saying is, we don't know if

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Speaker 3: If you will, We just don't know.

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Speaker 4: And I during that interview with Schwartz, I said, Jeff,

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Speaker 4: times for thirteen yards. I know they love quinn Ewers,

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Speaker 4: and quinn Ewers was a really good college football quarterback.

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Speaker 4: keeping track, if Arch is so good, you couldn't have

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Speaker 4: The defense knows, oh, he is a running quarterback, so

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Speaker 4: I don't want to say they're hiding arch, but I

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Speaker 4: do have some mild concerns, well, what are we waiting

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Speaker 6: Now?

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Speaker 3: On some level, I.

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Speaker 4: Respect that the Texas folks and the Manning family has decided,

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Speaker 4: you know what, We're going to do things differently. Everybody

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Speaker 4: wants to play now. Everybody wants their Nile money now.

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Speaker 4: True freshmen, they want to play immediately if you're not

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Speaker 4: playing me, I'm out right. I get this question every

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Speaker 4: year around April May from a college kids who are

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Speaker 4: going to be graduating, and they send me messages on Instagram.

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Speaker 3: Hey j macmhn, you have the best job ever. I'm

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Speaker 3: not lying. I kind of do. How do I get

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Speaker 3: where you are? But faster? How do I get there?

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Speaker 3: Like soon? Like on TV?

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Speaker 4: I think they say, all right, coming up next, we're

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Speaker 4: see a trade in the NFL yesterday after the show.

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Speaker 4: I mean, hell, we almost predicted it perfectly, just a

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Speaker 4: wrong player. The Cleveland Browns shipped Kenny Pickett FedEx to

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Speaker 5: Jason, Let's talk a little Bills. They're looking to break

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Speaker 5: Friend of the show, Dion Dawkins made an appearance on

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Speaker 5: the all new three hour edition of First Things First yesterday.

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Speaker 5: Let me say that again three hours catch it this afternoon.

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Speaker 5: He broke down what they have to do to cross

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Speaker 6: Who knows, who knows?

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Speaker 2: I think super Bowl or.

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Speaker 11: Bus whatever you want to say.

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Speaker 6: The Bills need to cross that threshold. We need to

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Speaker 6: cross that threshold and we will.

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Speaker 5: We will, all right. So you know, look, Josh Allen

445
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Speaker 5: was able to marry Hailey Steinfeld.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's right, so we.

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Speaker 5: Know he can pull off big vic. Oh well, then

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Speaker 5: can he pull off getting to and winning a Super

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Speaker 5: Bowl anytime soon?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I think they do win the Super Bowl this year,

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Speaker 4: although I keep seeing all this Ravens hype.

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Speaker 3: We talked a little bit about it yesterday.

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Speaker 4: You know, Alan, he doesn't have the supporting cast that

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Speaker 4: Lamar has.

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Speaker 5: I don't think, especially defensively, that defensive unit is have trouble,

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Speaker 5: especially in the secondary.

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Speaker 4: And if you're like, hey, Josh Allen can be Superman again,

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Speaker 4: all right, you know that's a big a lot of

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Speaker 4: wear and tear on that body.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be to man.

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Speaker 4: We saw Dan Marino mentioned it yesterday. Got to one

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Speaker 4: super Bowl, never got back. I don't think Philip Rivers

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Speaker 4: ever got to a Super Bowl. Matt Ryan was close

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Speaker 4: in the twenty eight three loss. Like it's difficult, but yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think Josh Allen. If I had to ask you

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Speaker 4: over under one and a half super Bowl appearances for

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Speaker 4: Josh Allen in his career, I'm going over.

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Speaker 5: He's not that old.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's something, but he's got to fight through Mahomes

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Speaker 4: and Lamar for the next Edinborough.

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Speaker 5: You're assuming And by the way, I'm not trying to

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Speaker 5: trade Josh Allen off the Bills. But life is long.

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Speaker 5: We've seen these guys. He might not always play for

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Speaker 5: the Bills, so we'll see, you know, teams go up

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Speaker 5: and down, we'll find out. I think he's young, he's

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Speaker 5: got a lot of I mean, he's so good, Jason.

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Speaker 5: And by the way, the Bills and the Ravens, their

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Speaker 5: odds are tied when they're the first.

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Speaker 3: And they played week one. I believe hope I didn't

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Speaker 3: put you that they definitely played this season.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, good for sure. Absolutely, all right, let's talk a

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Speaker 5: little rams out here in la Matthew Stafford been dealing

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Speaker 5: with that back issue off all season, but he returned

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Speaker 5: to practice last week and has been a full participant

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Speaker 5: ahead of their Week one matchup against the Texans. Thing

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Speaker 5: continue to tread positively. Sean McVay provide an update yesterday.

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Speaker 5: Take listen.

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Speaker 3: I can't see into the future, but I certainly, you know,

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Speaker 3: if you look at what the last week.

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Speaker 5: Is entailed, feel really good.

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Speaker 3: And there's nothing that would lead me to believe, unless

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Speaker 3: we have an unforeseen setback, that he's not going to

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Speaker 3: be ready roll against the Texans.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm glad to know that he's debating whether he

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Speaker 5: can see into the future. That might help you out

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Speaker 5: of Vegas next year. What do you think of Matthew

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Speaker 5: Stafford going into this season, Because it's one thing to

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Speaker 5: be ready for Week one, his health has to hold

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Speaker 5: up the whole season.

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Speaker 3: That's tough. Now I'm looking at the offensive line.

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Speaker 4: It seems like everybody's healthy for them, which is a

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Speaker 4: really good sign.

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Speaker 5: No, they've got an issue at left tackle.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's not great.

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Speaker 5: The Jags protecting him.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Oh, so he's got blood clot problems. He had them before.

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Speaker 5: He was able to come back from them, but it

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Speaker 5: took a long time. These were identified at the beginning

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Speaker 5: of the summer. He is going to start to ramp

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Speaker 5: up this week into more regular practicing, but they have

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Speaker 5: to wait and see how Jackson's blood clods sort of

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Speaker 5: react to all this regular practice. I think it'll be

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Speaker 5: huge if they don't start with the guy protecting his

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Speaker 5: blind side. You know, if they have to go second

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Speaker 5: string on that, that could be tougher.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think Stafford's still one of the elite quarterbacks, quick release,

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Speaker 4: big arm, He's tough. As long as the line holds up,

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Speaker 4: I think they're in great shape. And I mean DeVante

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Speaker 4: and Puka. Are they essentially Jamar Chase and t Higgins.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 5: I mean he's taken more hits than I think anyone. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: in his current current quarterback in his NFL career, so

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Speaker 5: he knows how to take a hit. But those hits,

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Speaker 5: you know, they add up. There's no such thing as

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Speaker 5: a minor back injury. Anyone who's had a back injury

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Speaker 5: will tell you that. You know, it could flare up

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Speaker 5: at any time. It doesn't ever actually go away, you know,

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Speaker 5: so you can get into your late thirties, so harder

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Speaker 5: to get out of bed in the morning.

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Speaker 4: I'm curious, how do you see that division shaking out

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Speaker 4: because Cower was pushing Seattle winning it.

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Speaker 3: I'm not feeling that at all. But who do you have?

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Speaker 4: One?

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Speaker 3: Two three?

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Speaker 5: I mean, look, I think that the Rams in San

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Speaker 5: Francisco are sort of co leaders there. People are bullish

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Speaker 5: on Seattle in a surprising way. I saw a lot

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Speaker 5: of projections at the beginning of the off season, putting

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Speaker 5: them forth, and I feel like through training camp people

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Speaker 5: have sort of propped them up a little bit. But

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Speaker 5: we'll have to see. I don't know if I'm with

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Speaker 5: Colin on that one. That feels like.

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Speaker 3: Rams are in good shape.

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Speaker 4: Remember that Eagles playoff game that was close to Stafford

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Speaker 4: driving extremely clel you know, yeah, that was a I

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Speaker 4: think the toughest test for the Eagles in the playoffs,

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Speaker 4: and Hurts was not great in that one.

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Speaker 3: All admit he was not great. Stafford was good in

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Speaker 3: the comeback. But we're too late.

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Speaker 5: All right, Let's talk about another aging quarterback, forty one

554
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Speaker 5: year old Aaron Rodgers, your favorite, potentially entering his final season,

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Speaker 5: and we'll get a shot in his former team in

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Speaker 5: Week one. Despite the opportunity to stick it to the Jets,

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Speaker 5: Rogers is downplaying the matchup, probably.

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Speaker 12: Nowhere near where it might be made out. You know,

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Speaker 12: it's a lot has changed over there, you know, coaching

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Speaker 12: staff wise, player wise. Obviously I have friendships over there.

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Speaker 12: But it's one game out of seventeen, and you know,

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Speaker 12: at five o'clock Eastern, you know that Sunday, it's only

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Speaker 12: get me on to the next game. So that's just

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Speaker 12: the way.

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Speaker 5: It is, the most monotone answer in the history of

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Speaker 5: professional football. I do want to point out Jason that

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Speaker 5: at the beginning of the offseason, so just a few

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Speaker 5: months ago, Aaron Rodgers blasted the Jets, yes, for the

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Speaker 5: way that they let go of him. That he said, oh,

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Speaker 5: they made me fly across the country. I expected the

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Speaker 5: four hour meeting. It was in and out. This could

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Speaker 5: have been a phone call. Do you buy it that

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Speaker 5: he doesn't care?

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Speaker 4: No, definitely, I think he cares deeply. But I think

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Speaker 4: you're onto something. I think the Jets are going to

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Speaker 4: be coming after it.

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Speaker 3: They know he can't.

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Speaker 4: He's a statue. And I do because Aaron Gunn is

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Speaker 4: the one who was it. Aaron, I'm trying to think

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Speaker 4: of what went down with that meeting with Rogers.

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Speaker 3: They basically did make him fly across the country.

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Speaker 5: They made him fly across the country. He said he

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Speaker 5: expected it to be sort of an all day of meetings,

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Speaker 5: and I think he was in and out. I mean,

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Speaker 5: he didn't say the amount of minutes, but he certainly

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Speaker 5: made it sound like it was a twenty five minute meet.

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Speaker 4: And I think Glenn was chiefly in that and making

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Speaker 4: the decision. And I think, yeah, my guess is Aaron

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Speaker 4: Glenn bring They're gonna lay the lumber too. And I'm

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Speaker 4: looking at the offensive line for Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: It's not great.

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Speaker 5: By the way, your Jets are an underdog in that game.

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Speaker 3: They are I think at home.

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Speaker 4: So last year I bet the Steelers in the opener

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Speaker 4: I think it was last year against the Niners wherever

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Speaker 4: they opened. I was feeling great about the Steelers Mike Tomlin,

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Speaker 4: and they got smashed. I think if I had to

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Speaker 4: bet this, I would go Jets in this one getting

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Speaker 4: to an half at home?

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Speaker 3: Where do you lean?

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Speaker 5: I think so for all the reasons you've said. And

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Speaker 5: also let's not forget this is a revenge game for

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Speaker 5: Justin Fields.

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Speaker 3: Also yes again Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'm talking about motivation.

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Speaker 3: Double revenge game.

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Speaker 6: Oh.

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Speaker 4: The NFL is just so crafticed, so good with this schedule, right,

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Speaker 4: they had great stuff, all right.

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Speaker 3: Rachel Nichols with the news.

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Speaker 4: Let's welcome in James Palmer, NFL analyst, NFL reporter.

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Speaker 3: NFL insider. He does it all.

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Speaker 4: He has recently joined the Scoop City podcast at the

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Speaker 4: Athletic and Oh by the way, James is an Ohio

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Speaker 4: State guy. I gotta start talking about the big game

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Speaker 4: Saturday on Fox. James, are you nervous, excited or you

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Speaker 4: think they're going to just maul arch Manning?

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Speaker 3: What do you got?

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Speaker 6: I'm excited, I'm terrified.

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Speaker 13: I remember the last time this game happened in the Shoe, guys,

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Speaker 13: I was a student at Ohio State. I separated my

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Speaker 13: shoulder pregame during an incident tailgating.

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Speaker 6: I don't want to talk about it, but they involved, you.

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Speaker 13: Know, didn't involve you know, the game Donkey Kong of

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Speaker 13: throwing kegs down the stairs and you got to jump

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Speaker 13: over them.

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Speaker 6: Possibly, but I watched the entire game holding.

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Speaker 13: My left arm to my chest and watching us lose

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Speaker 13: at the Shoe in something that still is you know,

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Speaker 13: hasn't stuck with me, has it.

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 13: I think we're a really good team. I'm excited to

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Speaker 13: see some of the younger guys. I'm excited to see

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Speaker 13: what saying can do obviously, I mean it's a difficult

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Speaker 13: spot to come into.

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Speaker 6: For your first start, But I mean.

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Speaker 13: They play these games for a reason at the shoe,

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Speaker 13: and I'm excited for another one.

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Speaker 4: I might as well ask while we're on at arch

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Speaker 4: Manning as a pro prospect. You talked to a lot

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Speaker 4: of front offices, scouts, decision makers.

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Speaker 3: I know it's early.

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Speaker 4: Going overboard with this, Hey, archs banning first round, first

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Speaker 4: pick overall.

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Speaker 3: In twenty six or twenty seven.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that's what we do, right,

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Speaker 13: We do go overboard when you look at the pedigree

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Speaker 13: he's coming from and people say he's Eli and Peyton

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Speaker 13: in a combination of the two, Oh, but a better

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Speaker 13: athlete than both of them, like his dad. Of course,

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Speaker 13: the hype's going to be there, But I do think

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Speaker 13: you look at the family, like I mentioned, and all

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Speaker 13: signs would probably point to him staying.

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Speaker 6: Now, we'll see how the season goes.

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Speaker 13: Right, if they win a national championship, he plays out

664
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Speaker 13: of his mind and the Saints end up with the

665
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Speaker 13: number one pick, maybe you know there's a greater chance

666
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 13: of him coming out than not. But I do think

667
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 13: you know there's a small sample size, which we've seen. Obviously,

668
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 13: some of the hype is definitely warranted. But I think

669
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 13: he's wired exactly the right way to where this is

670
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Speaker 13: not going to.

671
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Speaker 6: Bother him in any sense. And I think that's the

672
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Speaker 6: most important part.

673
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Speaker 13: You know, a lot of times we hype a lot

674
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Speaker 13: of these players at the collegiate level with small sample sizes.

675
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 13: We're looking at, you know, Anthony Richardson, what's going on

676
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 13: in Indy there with such a small sample size.

677
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Speaker 6: Let's see him play. I think he'll handle it the

678
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Speaker 6: right way.

679
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Speaker 13: And if you talk to NFL evaluators, a lot of

680
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 13: them now if they're picking at the top of the

681
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 13: draft and might be different next year, but they're going

682
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 13: to say, we want these guys to stay. You know,

683
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 13: we want guys to stay. That's something I hear around

684
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 13: the league a lot is look at the starts Jaden

685
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 13: Daniels had, look at the starts that bo Nick's had,

686
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 13: and look at the early success.

687
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 6: Hey, stay, make some money in college. You can do

688
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 6: it now. But if you're picking towards the top of

689
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 6: the draft, the centem might be a little different. With Archman,

690
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:21,479
Speaker 6: he's coming out.

691
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, let's go to the NFL obviously a

692
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 4: lot of news to cover, but you just mentioned Anthony Richardson.

693
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 4: He clearly came out too early. I had heard he

694
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 4: was getting advice from potential agents. Hey man, stay in school,

695
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 4: you could be the number one pick the next year.

696
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 4: He's like, now, I got to get that money. It's

697
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 4: kind of a disaster. Do you think that the Colts

698
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 4: would actually trade him, because I did see someone speculating, hey,

699
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 4: he could be the next Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback.

700
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 6: Yeah.

701
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Speaker 13: I think there's two things that happened in the NFL

702
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 13: pretty regularly. One, we learn over and over again, developmenting

703
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 13: quarterbacks at the NFL level right out of the gate

704
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 13: is very difficult, right. That's why certain coaches that have

705
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 13: been in this league or are in the sea for

706
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 13: a long time, like Garry Kubiak, will stand, you know,

707
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 13: from the highest mountain and say you got to sit him,

708
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 13: and you got to sit him for a year. There's

709
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 13: still people in the league that do believe that, and

710
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 13: that's because of developing quarterbacks, you know, in game is tough,

711
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 13: specifically with the small sample size that Anthony Richardson had.

712
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 13: But I also think the other part that teams are

713
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 13: so fearful of is letting a guy go and watching

714
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 13: him go have success in another uniform. And obviously the

715
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 13: talent is real. He's unbelievably raw. He's still very very

716
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 13: young and still very inexperienced. I think Chris Ballard, who

717
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 13: you know, they're in year nine now. I think in

718
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 13: Indianapolis he has me looking go and I made you know,

719
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 13: I was a big part of this pick.

720
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 6: I've been a big part of what's going right and

721
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 6: wrong here.

722
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 13: The last thing I want to do is make the

723
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 13: decision that he leaves and gets developed somewhere else, because

724
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 13: what is ever, what does every coach think they can do?

725
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 13: Wait till I get my hands on him, right like,

726
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 13: wait till he comes here, and then he can really

727
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 13: And so from my understanding is I don't think they

728
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 13: have any interest in trading or releasing him right now.

729
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 13: They'd like to see him sit behind, you know, Daniel

730
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 13: Jones and learn and gross more. I think Chanstiking was

731
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 13: very clear with there's been strides, for sure, changed his diet,

732
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 13: changed his footwork, you know, But the preparation, the understanding

733
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 13: of the operation, all those things need to get better.

734
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 13: And I think they prefer to have that happen in

735
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 13: a cult uniform.

736
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 4: All right, let's go to the big news yesterday, Kenny

737
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 4: Pickett gets traded, clearing clearing the runway for shaduor Sanders

738
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 4: to be third on the depth chart.

739
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 3: I'm sure James, you're as sick of it as.

740
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 4: Everybody talking about a fifth round pick who probably won't

741
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 4: see the field for I don't know, three at least

742
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 4: two months with the Browns. But I'm curious your takeaway

743
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 4: with the with the Pickett move in Cleveland.

744
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 3: You know, they seem still like a bit of a disaster.

745
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, you ask her on the league.

746
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 13: We'll say, they put themselves in this situation, right, I mean,

747
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 13: this is what they did to themselves.

748
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 6: Now. I do think Kevin Sefanci can handle it. I do.

749
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 6: I think the world of him as a coach and

750
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 6: a developer.

751
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 13: What the departure of Kenny Pickett does, in my opinion,

752
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 13: is Dylan Gabriel's closer to being ready to be one

753
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 13: snap away week one. Then maybe we have thought of

754
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 13: the start of camp that was a big part of

755
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 13: Team Pickett. That enough that something happens for four year

756
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 13: old quarter in the first season.

757
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 4: Oh, looks like some technical difficulties with James. Hopefully we

758
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 4: can get it back. But you know, he did make

759
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 4: a good point that the Browns, you know, this Kenny

760
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 4: Pickett move does clear the wrong way. Listen, Dylan Gabriel

761
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 4: is essentially bo Nick's minus four inches, right, Isn't that

762
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 4: what he is? A guy who stayed for a long

763
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 4: time in college can thrive in a quick read and

764
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 4: react offense. And Dylan Gabriel essentially could be the starter

765
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 4: by I don't know the end of the month.

766
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 3: Nobody expects Flacco to stay long.

767
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 4: It sounds like, including James, so hopefully we can get

768
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 4: him back and finish the interview. But I did I

769
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 4: did also like his Anthony answer about Anthony Richardson, because

770
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be real, I thought Richardson would have been

771
00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 4: the starter this year, but pretty clearly he didn't nothing

772
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 4: whatsoever to inspire the Colt staff and they pulled the

773
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 4: plug quickly.

774
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 3: Now I was out of town when I saw I

775
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 3: got this.

776
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 4: But like Anthony Richardson, I'm a guy who plays a

777
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 4: lot of fantasy football.

778
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: He's a fantasy gold mine. Daniel Jones is not the same.

779
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 4: And you know, Anthony Richardson's kind of one of those

780
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 4: boom or bust quarterbacks. It's just the quarterback situation around

781
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 4: the league. You know, there's about twenty good ones, twenty

782
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,720
Speaker 4: ten elite, you know, fours four or five superstars, ten elite,

783
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 4: and then you got like twenty good ones. After that,

784
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 4: you got like a pooh pooh platter of guys who

785
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 4: are just gonna be cycling around. Like, no disrespect to

786
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 4: Gino Smith, but you're in that bottom twelve. You know,

787
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones, You're in that bottom twelve. Cleveland, New Orleans.

788
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 4: My Jets, like you have you seen the latest Justin

789
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 4: Fields clip going around the internet.

790
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 3: Jets fans are pulling all of his misses in preseason

791
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 3: and practice.

792
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 4: That's where the Jets are so like, there's at least

793
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 4: twelve teams that are gonna to be in the quarterback market,

794
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 4: whether it's Arch Manning or you do the cycle where

795
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 4: it's like, hey, let me take a chance on this

796
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 4: guy who flopped.

797
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 3: His first time around, I e.

798
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 4: Sam Darnold Baker Mayfield, although he did win a playoff

799
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 4: game with the Browns.

800
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 3: But you look down the list of guys.

801
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 4: In recent years, Kenny Pickett, you know, people forget he's

802
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 4: a Super Bowl champion after being with the Eagles last year.

803
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 3: He's on his third team in three years.

804
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 4: He was a first round pick who's now bouncing around,

805
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 4: and you just look around the league at the quarterback

806
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 4: position and it's just it's not a great situation. I

807
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 4: think bo Nix has clearly established himself as one of

808
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 4: the top twenty guys. And that's only off one season.

809
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 4: You have your elite, your Jayden Daniels, you know, CJ. Stroud,

810
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 4: those types. I still have Trevor Lawrence. I don't know

811
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 4: if the masses are in agreement, but real quick, I

812
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 4: want to go back to one quote Mary kay Kebby

813
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 4: yesterday talked about the shidur Vers still in Gabrielle battle.

814
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 8: Basically, what's happening here is they have two really good

815
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 8: young quarterbacks that they're excited about and that they want

816
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 8: to develop as they look into next year's draft. They

817
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 8: have two first round picks and they have to find

818
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 8: out do they have a potential franchise quarterback on their

819
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 8: roster as they head into that twenty six draft. So

820
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 8: they want to develop these guys. They want to see

821
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 8: what they have and who knows they could end up

822
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 8: with Dylan Gabriel, Shador Sanders, and then another rookie next year.

823
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 8: So they like what they see in Shador, they like

824
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 8: what they see in Dylan Gabriel, and they want to

825
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 8: move forward with both of these guys.

826
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting, Rachel. At the draft that just went down,

827
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 4: it was clear cam Ward was going to be a guy, yeah,

828
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 4: and then it was like, we don't know who's going

829
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 4: to go second. Some of the betting markets were all

830
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 4: over the place, and Jackson Dart was a surprise, and

831
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 4: that's Does that not speak to the desperation in this

832
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 4: league to find a quarterback? I mean there's so many

833
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 4: teams who are like, please let arch hit, Please let

834
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 4: me go so it can come out yes and be

835
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 4: our guy for the next ten to fifteen years.

836
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 5: I think part of the thing is you just don't know.

837
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 5: I think it speaks to the fact that what a

838
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 5: guy does in college Richardson, you were just talking about

839
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 5: doesn't necessarily spell what he's going to do in the NFL.

840
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 5: So you're a little bit, excuse the pun, you know,

841
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 5: thrown a dartboard to sort of figure out can this

842
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 5: solve our problem? I think what you're seeing now more

843
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 5: is that teams like the Giants, who have had a

844
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 5: quarterback problem for quite some time now, teams like the

845
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 5: Browns who've had a quarterback problem for twenty six years,

846
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 5: now that those teams are sort of going all in.

847
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 5: And the reason why we thought that the Browns might

848
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 5: keep four quarterbacks is because they've had such a problem

849
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 5: in the quarterback room. And even now with this decision

850
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 5: with Picket, I saw this trade as basically them saying,

851
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 5: we know we're not going to be very good this year.

852
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 5: We know we're going to end up with a high

853
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 5: draft position, so let's figure out what we have in

854
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 5: Dylan Gabriel and Shador Sanders and see if in the

855
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 5: twenty twenty sixth draft, which is very quarterback rich, whether

856
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 5: we need to go again and take another crack at it.

857
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 5: You got the kid from Clemson, you got the kid

858
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 5: from LSU, you got the kid from South Carolina. There's

859
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 5: a bunch of yeah.

860
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 4: I mean, even looking around the league. I mean, if

861
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 4: I said Kyler Murrie to you, right.

862
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 3: You think he's a franchise quarterback. He got paid. What

863
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 3: if they won five or six games?

864
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 4: Do the Cardinals reboot the coaching staff, and do they

865
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 4: say this is not our guy? Can we get rid

866
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 4: of Kyler? And the tougher one might be Tua in

867
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 4: Miami cause the concussions. Obviously, Mike McDaniel, I think he's

868
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 4: one of the one of the hottest seats in the league. Like,

869
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,479
Speaker 4: is two of the starting quarterback in Miami in twenty

870
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 4: twenty six?

871
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 3: I don't know.

872
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 5: Can you play a full season?

873
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 3: That's another good question.

874
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,959
Speaker 4: And so like if you have these questions about your quarterback, like, Okay,

875
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield, I get it. Michael Pennock's in Atlanta, like

876
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 4: we think, you know you should flashes, say three games.

877
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 4: He's got to get a look this year. We'll probably

878
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 4: get a two year leash at least, right, But you

879
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 4: look around the.

880
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 3: League and it's like quarterback is so tough to identify.

881
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Speaker 5: It's obviously also you know, it's not just the premier position.

882
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Speaker 5: It's like such an imbalance. It's not just the most important,

883
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Speaker 5: that's the most important by this much. So really, as

884
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Speaker 5: your quarterback goes, your team goes. And I always say,

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Speaker 5: when you're talking about firing coaches or switching quarterbacks, it's

886
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Speaker 5: not should we get rid of this?

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Speaker 11: Guy.

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Speaker 5: It's who else can we get and is that person

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Speaker 5: better than the guy we have? Because teams that just

890
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Speaker 5: are like, yeah, throw this quarterback away, can you get

891
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Speaker 5: someone better?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's that was a brock pretty question. Can you

893
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Speaker 3: keep him or get someone better?

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Speaker 4: And I go back, you know, you know the NBA, Well,

895
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Speaker 4: so Damian Lillard and CJ McCollum for years kept Portland relevant.

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Speaker 3: They were in the playoffs. Every year they win in

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Speaker 3: the first round. Maybe one year.

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Speaker 4: They'll make the conference finals, but you're in the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: Eventually they said that's not a high enough ceiling for us.

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Speaker 3: Let's move off. CJ. It went downhill. Yeah, let's move off, Dame.

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Speaker 3: Where's Portland? They are totally lost.

902
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Speaker 4: And that's why, like the Kyler situation, the Tua, I

903
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Speaker 4: don't know, if it's let's just stay with Tua, will

904
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Speaker 4: be competitive, maybe make the playoffs. If we're super lucky

905
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Speaker 4: we win a playoff game, But what's the alternative? Exactly more,

906
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Speaker 4: they got rid of den Marino, Ordan Reno left. Yeah,

907
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Speaker 4: like they had nobody for like twenty years. It's very difficult.

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Speaker 4: And that's why I think you're right. The Brown's just

909
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Speaker 4: taking bites at the Apple. Maybe Dylan Gabriel's our guy.

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Speaker 5: It just makes more sense to look at the two

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Speaker 5: young guys than to have Kenny Pickett, which is to

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Speaker 5: your point, you know what you're gonna get, So why

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Speaker 5: not have the two young guys do g it out

914
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Speaker 5: this season and then you can see if you need

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Speaker 5: to go into that draft again in twenty twenty six

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Speaker 5: for a QB.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Even the Jets with Justin Fields, it was like, you know,

919
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Speaker 4: he was okay, he was decent in Chicago, he was

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Speaker 4: okay in Pittsburgh for a handful of games. Can he

921
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Speaker 4: be the guy in New York? I'm gonna guess no,

922
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Speaker 4: but I guess anything is got. Maybe Justin Fields gets

923
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Speaker 4: the Jets to nine wins? Does that get him a

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Speaker 4: contract because you know he's not the long term answer?

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Speaker 5: No, But I mean some of it so much of

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Speaker 5: it is situational too. Yeah, right, what's the team around you? Like,

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Speaker 5: how good is the defense? What is your strength of

928
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Speaker 5: schedule that year that you know? That all factors into

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Speaker 5: whether we think that's the guy or not.

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Speaker 4: Errol Wilson getting nervous, all right, coming up next year

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Speaker 4: on the Herd, there's only really four teams can win

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Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. This year, we're unveiling Super Bowl teers.

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Speaker 4: That's next year.

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Speaker 3: On the hurd