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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number nine

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Speaker 1: tann the show. We're taking a break from white tails

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Speaker 1: and instead are focusing on our favorite credit to chase

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Speaker 1: during the spring, and that's turkeys. All right, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Sick Gear. Today,

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Speaker 1: we're taking a break from our hardcore white tail hunting

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Speaker 1: focused episodes and instead focusing on another species that's incredibly

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Speaker 1: popular with US deer hunters, and that's turkeys. And you know,

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Speaker 1: the spring turkey season having been opened across a lot

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Speaker 1: of states over recent weeks, and you know, continue to

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Speaker 1: do so across most of the rest of the country,

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Speaker 1: and the next week or two, it seemed that now

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Speaker 1: was about as good time as any to talk turkey.

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Speaker 1: And I get a lot of emails and messages asking

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Speaker 1: for us to talk about other species like turkeys more often,

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Speaker 1: especially from guys or girls that maybe haven't tried turkey

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Speaker 1: hunting yet but are interested. And you know, how do

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Speaker 1: you do that? Coming from a deer hunter's perspective. So

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Speaker 1: that was kind of my idea for today. I thought

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Speaker 1: we could, you know, share some of the things we've

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Speaker 1: learned as turkey hunters, me and Dan walk through some

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Speaker 1: of our stories and kind of give a deer hunter's

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Speaker 1: perspective on how to get started turkey hunting and and

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Speaker 1: kind of everything else falling under from there. But I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I kind of needed a day like this Dan,

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Speaker 1: to just kick back and have a cold beverage and

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Speaker 1: just talk turkeys. Know, we had a b S episode

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Speaker 1: need that again today. So so I'm gonna try to

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Speaker 1: do BS with a purpose today. That's kind of what

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling. That's good because that works. Everybody. Everybody needs

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Speaker 1: a little a bssh. Yeah. I just I just need to, like,

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Speaker 1: I need to take some weight off the shoulders. I

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Speaker 1: need to unwind, and um what better way to do

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Speaker 1: it than talk about turkey hunting, which for me opens

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Speaker 1: up in less than a week. What about you? Youth

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Speaker 1: season is going right now. But before we get into this,

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Speaker 1: I was driving from work here, you know, I get

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Speaker 1: down this black top and on my radio, guess what

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Speaker 1: song comes on. I don't know if you're probably not

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Speaker 1: into this kind of song, but the song, uh Mother

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Speaker 1: my god, are you kidding me? It's like it's hard rock,

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Speaker 1: That song? Now it rings a bell anyway. So that

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Speaker 1: song got me thinking about a peanut butter and jelly

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Speaker 1: And so I got an awesome song in my head,

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Speaker 1: and I got a peanut butter and jelly sandwich in

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Speaker 1: So wow, So we're both like we're having to go

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Speaker 1: yeah right, I mean, I'm I'm jacked. Oh, I'm glad.

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Speaker 1: These episodes are best when we're jacked and pumped up

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Speaker 1: somewhere in the middle. Right. It sounds good. And if

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Speaker 1: and I'll pick you up. I'll carry you tacking out Dan,

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Speaker 1: I actually I'm glad you threw me off the turkeys

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Speaker 1: a little exhausted today. Um, which is some exciting news

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Speaker 1: you might have seen this already if you subscribe to

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Speaker 1: follow us on social media and everything. But long story short,

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Speaker 1: so many different technical difficulties. We've tested like a million

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Speaker 1: So I guess that's a win. UM. So more details

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Speaker 1: to come on that. You can subscribe on iTunes and

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Speaker 1: Drury YouTube channel. UM. But yeah, that's why I'm kind

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Speaker 1: And you know, probably just like you as well, it

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Speaker 1: people who have had incredible experiences while out hunting in

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Speaker 1: our upcoming segments. So with that said, thanks again to

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Speaker 1: Sika for making this turkey talking episode possible. And now

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Speaker 1: back to the show. Let's talk about turkeys. So why

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Speaker 1: out it's been every year, multiple birds. Um. So it's

427
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: like I just had to kind of take a couple

428
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 1: of years to figure things out and just kind of

429
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 1: wrap my head around it and then get half decent

430
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 1: with the call. And now it seems like, knock on wood,

431
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 1: I can get out there and there's gonna be a

432
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,120
Speaker 1: pretty good chance of fill in that tag if I've

433
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,479
Speaker 1: got a couple of days to hunt. But you know,

434
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 1: now I'm trying to take it, you know, like we

435
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: talked about the other day, trying to make it a

436
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 1: little more of a challenge maybe, but with bow hunting

437
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 1: or doing different things, they're traveling to different places of

438
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: turkey hunt because it's a ton of fun, and I

439
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 1: kind of now don't want my season to end so quickly,

440
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 1: you know, right right, I tell you here's here is

441
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 1: my very first turkey experience. So, UM, I meet my

442
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 1: uncle at this little this it's an old farm, and

443
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: my uncle and his brothers and my two uncles basically

444
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 1: they built They build a little shack and it had

445
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: bunk beds in it and enough room for a cop

446
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: so it was real tight in there. But me another

447
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 1: buddy and UH, one of my uncles and my other

448
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: uncle lived close, so he drove. He drove from his

449
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,439
Speaker 1: home every morning. But the very first morning, my buddy

450
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 1: went with my one uncle and my other uncle took

451
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 1: me and UH took me down to this river bottom.

452
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: He we waited, We walked into the timber, waited to

453
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 1: hear the first gobble, walked up to about i'd say

454
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: a hundred yards to where um this turkey had gobbled.

455
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 1: He sat me down in a tree. He backed up

456
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: about fifty yards and UH started calling this jake for yeah,

457
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: this jake flew out of the tree started strutting right

458
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: in front of me. Boom. It was maybe six in

459
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: the morning, Like it happened real fast. And that was

460
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: that was my very first turkey hunt. Is that basically

461
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: how your turkey hunting process looks now, is that you're

462
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 1: basic just still Uh yeah, I mean so that for

463
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: the most part, that's what I do. I mean, if

464
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: I'm gun hunting, obviously bow hunt. I haven't bow hunted

465
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: before for him, But like I said, it was my

466
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 1: wife was pregnant last year and I didn't hardly get

467
00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: out at all. But this, you know, if it's just me,

468
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: what I'm doing is I'm waiting to hear gobbles. If

469
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 1: I'm and this is if I'm gun hunting. If I'm

470
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 1: waiting to hear gobbles, uh, then I make a move

471
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: on to where they're at still roosted in the tree,

472
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: and uh, I'll sit down and wait, and I'll try

473
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: to get into a position where I can maybe get

474
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 1: some kind of response from them and then call them.

475
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,239
Speaker 1: Most of the time they come right in as far

476
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,479
Speaker 1: as mornings are concerned. Um, if they don't come right in,

477
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: then I'm I'm doing a lot of running and gunning.

478
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: You know, maybe move fifty yards or maybe to the

479
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: next ridge, call a little bit, call a little bit,

480
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 1: try to hear those responses early in the morning and

481
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: then when it comes to the later in the afternoon,

482
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: that's when I do a lot of sitting and using

483
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 1: maybe some more decoys to try to get to try

484
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: to get you know, something to cruise by me or

485
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: or get interested or I mean, it's just different. Every

486
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: years different. So do you when you're going into your

487
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: proper do you know, do you have a handful of

488
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: spots where you know that they traditionally roost So when

489
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: you go out there opening day and the next week

490
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: or whatever it is that you're gonna go out there,

491
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: are you going to go to this general area where

492
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: typically you know some of roosted in here and get

493
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: out there in the morning, listen and then from there

494
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: ad just what you assumed. Is that correct? Yep? So

495
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: this year is going to be different because I'll be

496
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,719
Speaker 1: I guess I shouldn't say this year, but my wife

497
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: I go I go turkey hunting with my wife, um,

498
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: and she loves it because it's turkeys are ugly, they're

499
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: not dear, they're not cute, so she has no problem

500
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: killing an ugly animal. I guess. So. Uh so they're

501
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 1: kind of like, they're kind of pretty in their own way. Yeah,

502
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: I mean they're pretty, yeah, but have you ever seen

503
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: their face up close? I mean if I had a

504
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: face like a turkey face, I wouldn't have my wife

505
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: right now, Dude, me me, My face on a video

506
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: podcast is like when you finally get up close to

507
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: a turkey head. That's why this whole video podcasting is stressful.

508
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: I gotta face for radio, dude, gonna sensor your face.

509
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: They might need to someone. Somebody told me the other day, well,

510
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: I was doing a live Facebook feed that I look

511
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 1: like Roseanne from the Roseanne Show. Definitely don't look like Roseanne. Well,

512
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: thank you, because I started googling Roseanne try to look

513
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 1: at pictures. I'm like, really, yeah, so why do we

514
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: even try? I don't know, I don't know, but sorry

515
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: what you're saying. So because I go uh hunting with

516
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: my wife now, um, she's not a huge fan of

517
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: the running gun type tactics. So I'll so like, let's say,

518
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: for example, next Friday is when the season starts, So

519
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon, I'm gonna go out. I'm gonna set a

520
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 1: blind up uh for Friday morning, and I'll get it

521
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: close to where Turkey's historically roost in this particular field

522
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: and they like to pitch down into it. So so sorry,

523
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 1: this is a field. You're set up on the edge

524
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: of the field, right, So it's kind of like a

525
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: cattle pasture. It's not an egg field. It's like a

526
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: mix between CRP, but cattle have access to it. So

527
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: it's a little overgrown, but it's not it's not a

528
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: straight pasture and it's not straight CRP. And they fly

529
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: down in there and it's kind of in the wide

530
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: open and they like to strut from there to some

531
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: fields and uh to a different kind of horse pasture,

532
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: and they just kind of work this this high point

533
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 1: and uh so what we do is we cut them off,

534
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: and uh that's where we're gonna go hunt this year.

535
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: So okay, so this is good. I think this is

536
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: you know, for those of you or thirty percent of

537
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: you out there who have never turkey hunt before and

538
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: maybe you're going to try, I think what Dan laid

539
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: out there is a pretty solid way to go about

540
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: getting started turkey hunting. That's very similar to what I

541
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,239
Speaker 1: do too. You know, once you have a property you're

542
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: gonna turkey hunt. The first thing I would recommend probably

543
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: doing is just like Dan said, go out there early

544
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: in the morning and just listen and find out where

545
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: these birds are roosting. And I mean traditionally, and I

546
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: want to take a quick stuff back. I am not.

547
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: I don't think Dan would claim to be either. I

548
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:04,959
Speaker 1: don't think either one of us claimed to be expert

549
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: turkey hunters. No, we are not because Strickland were we.

550
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: We simply are guys have managed to figure out some

551
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: way to have success. Um. But that said, um, you know,

552
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 1: go out there trying to try to hear where these

553
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: birds are gobbling, because they gobble off the roost when

554
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: they're when I say roost, if you're not familiar, that's

555
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: you know. At night they go up and stay in

556
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: a tree and they stay up in that tree until daylight,

557
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: and then after daylight they will fly back down to

558
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: the ground and spend their day in the ground. So

559
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: that's why you want to go. They'll be gobbling one

560
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: they're off the tree. You want to find them when

561
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: there in the tree so you can get close to it.

562
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: And then, like Dan said, maybe you'll be able to

563
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: get them to fly down and then work their way

564
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: towards you because they think you're a hen. So a

565
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: couple of things to keep in mind when it comes

566
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: to finding out where turkey's roost from what I understand, um,

567
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: in front of scene, you know, turkeys typically like to

568
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: roost on a large horizontal limb, if you know, if available,

569
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: so lots of times. If you you know, maybe if

570
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: there's a big ridge with a bunch of old oak

571
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: trees on it, with some big old branches that come

572
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: off of that, that might be a terrific roosting location. Um,

573
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: that kind of spot is where you're typical going to

574
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: see those birds staying at night. And then they like

575
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: to be somewhat close to some kind of strutting zone,

576
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: some kind of field or open area like Dan mentioned

577
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: in his case a horse pasture or something, or cow pasture.

578
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: Lots of times, one of the first things they want

579
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: to do is they come off the roost, they fly down,

580
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: and they want to work to a strutting area or

581
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: some kind of spot where they can strut around and

582
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: hopefully find some hens. And you know this is this

583
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: basically this time of year, the spring is the turkey rut.

584
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: You know, this is when you know they're trying to

585
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: find their hands and um, you know that's Basically, the

586
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: simplest way to think about turkey on it is that

587
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: right there, find where they're roosted, get as close as

588
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,239
Speaker 1: you can, and then try to get them to come

589
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: in your way once they drop down. Um, so I'm

590
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: curious about your calling thoughts and techniques. When they're on

591
00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: the roost, you get in there in the morning, you

592
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: get is well, actually, let's take stuff back. How do

593
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: you decide how close you're willing to get when you're

594
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: trying to get over to that roosted the bird still

595
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: the tree gabbling? What do you do? You just have

596
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: a rule like a hundred yards is as close as

597
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: you want to get? Or fifty or sixty or seventy

598
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: yards or do you just kind of wing it? Yeah,

599
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: it's all. It's all winging because if you go too close,

600
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: they'll see you and then they will not come in

601
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: your direction. Um. But so I like to I like

602
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: to get into a position where they where. If I

603
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: know where they're at, I know I can use terrain

604
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: or other object obstructions to get closer to them. You know,

605
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: if that's just me and a gun. Now, if I'm

606
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: if I'm hunting out of a blind, I'm gonna hunt

607
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: in an area to where I think they're gonna be going, so,

608
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: you know, like a field edge or more of a

609
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: wide open space because turkey or not like deer, right,

610
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: so they like a little bit more of a wide

611
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: open type of area to to do their strutting, because

612
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: you're not gonna see a turkey go through a multiflower

613
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: rose sticket, you know what I mean. So someplace where

614
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: I have historically seen him strut in the past, which

615
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:18,719
Speaker 1: is like field edges, fields, um cr CRP, cattle pastures,

616
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. So if I'm in a blind,

617
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be going to where they are wanting to go.

618
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: And if I'm with a gun, I'm gonna get as

619
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: close to him as humanly possible while still in the tree,

620
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: and then try to get them as they fly down

621
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,959
Speaker 1: and potentially have maybe a decoy out to get their

622
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: attention or do some light calling to get them interested

623
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: in coming my way. Yes, let's talk about that. So

624
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: one of the things that I think I was screwing

625
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: up early on when I ever first started turkey hunting

626
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: is that I couldn't get enough of goblin. So when

627
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: I could get a turkey to gobble I want to

628
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: call right back, and then he gobble, and then I'd

629
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: be so excited I want to call right back, and

630
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: then he got obbowl and I do that, and I

631
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,239
Speaker 1: was overcalling, and those birds would never come to me.

632
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: So so now I'm I'm really actually pretty careful about

633
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: not overcalling, and I'm much rather prefer too, to be

634
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: very strategic with just just enough to keep him interested

635
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: but longing for more. So you know, when it comes

636
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: to when when a bird's on a roost and I

637
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: get set up on that bird, I typically just like

638
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: to do enough calling, some light yelping, just enough so

639
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: that I know that that bird knows I'm there. I

640
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: get a gobble from him or from all the birds

641
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: that are there in that area, and once they know

642
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,479
Speaker 1: him there, then I kind of shut up and I

643
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: wait for them to fly down. I just want to

644
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: make sure they know there's a hen there, but they

645
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: don't get worried that maybe it's a hunter and then

646
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: it's not legit. So I'm pretty careful. I'm pretty up

647
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: what's the right word, I'm struggling to find the right

648
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: word her, but but really limited in my early roost calling.

649
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: Once they come down onto the ground, then I'll give

650
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: it to him a little bit. But again I'm much more.

651
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: I Oh, I don't know why I can't think of

652
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: the word here. I can try struggle to find the

653
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: same word over our again. But long story short, I

654
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: let them want more from me rather than consistently try

655
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: and get them a gobble over and over and over.

656
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: What's your thought process on a mountain of calling? Do

657
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: you agree with me on that? Are you different? Well,

658
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: it just depends on who I'm with, right, So like

659
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: if I'm with I've taken kids out before and kids

660
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: love gobbling, right, So if they're a new hunter or

661
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: my wife, you know, it gets excited because if you

662
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: just sit there and don't call, it's kind of it's

663
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you hear a gobble. It's fun. But at

664
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: the same time, UM, I want to try to be

665
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: successful as well, and there is a time when it's

666
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: it's time to shut up. And that is if you

667
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: here for me is if a turkey is, if a

668
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: turkey is if a toom is gobbling and getting closer

669
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: to you as you call, I continue to call. But

670
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: if for some reason this turkey maybe um heading away

671
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 1: from you, then what I do is I will stop calling,

672
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: and I may even move my position backwards just a

673
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: little bit and then maybe do some more calling. Now

674
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: what that does, you know, there's I don't know if

675
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: there's any scientific fact to back this up. But what

676
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: this does is it makes the turkey, the tom feel that, hey,

677
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: that hen is going away and I need to go.

678
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: I need to, I need to, you know, go that way. Now,

679
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 1: I'm not so I'm not sure of this this fact either,

680
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 1: but I think male turkey's gobble and in in nature,

681
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: the hands go to the tom's. Now that is okay, yep.

682
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: So what as a hunter, we're trying to do things backwards, right,

683
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: we are trying to get the hams to come to

684
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: the hens, which is not it's not natural. So if

685
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: Tom is with another hand, that's what you know, we

686
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: call that being hend up. And it's very hard to

687
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: get a Tom to break off, you know, break away

688
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: from a hen, especially if he's the only time with

689
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: the only hen. So it's it's very hard to get

690
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: them to break off and come your way. Now, you know,

691
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: if you sound horned up enough, you know, I've seen

692
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: some crazy things happen where Tom's do come to investigate

693
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: and you know you got a shot there. But I

694
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: tend to be aggressive in my calling, but then then

695
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: just go completely dead quiet. And I feel that that's

696
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: where I had success over the years, is to get

697
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 1: them all horned up and then stop and then they're like, hey,

698
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,959
Speaker 1: what the heck is going on? Yeah, I think that's

699
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: that's a spot on tactic. When they get kind of

700
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: hung up. You know, when there's a bird who just

701
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: will not maybe they get to like eight yards or

702
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: whatever and they just will not come any closer because

703
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: just like you said, I think that's this exact situation.

704
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: They say, Okay, there's the hen she should come to

705
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: me now. And I think when you when you just

706
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: shut up and then just wait, and then all of

707
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: a sudden, ten minutes later, bam, there they are right

708
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: in front of looking around that the headheld high, looking

709
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: around um, and that's when they That's when my favorite

710
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: moment in turkey hunting happens. When you get that gobble

711
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: from fifteen yards away that you had no idea was there.

712
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: That is awesome. And then there's another thing that it's

713
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 1: also important to know, right, So if a turkey sounds

714
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: like he's getting closer and you call, and you call,

715
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: and he's getting closer, and he's getting closer, and he's

716
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: gobbling this entire time, and then he stops. You know,

717
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: if you're a relatively new hunter, you're gonna say, well,

718
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: he went away, he's done. If they stop gobbling, that

719
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: means they're close and they're continuing to come in closer

720
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,479
Speaker 1: because once they have identified where the calling is coming from,

721
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: they no longer need to gobble, so so they're coming

722
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: to your location. That's a good point I've found in

723
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: both ways. Like sometimes I'll have these gobblers that come

724
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: in loud the whole time, but then you definitely do

725
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: get those that that shut up and then keep coming

726
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: in but silent. And that's so true, like you need

727
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: to keep your eyes on a swivel without moving um,

728
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: but be ready. I would probably say for good, like

729
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: ten fifteen minutes. Even after thinking that bird has been

730
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: quiet and maybe isn't there around anymore, you should still

731
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: just just assume that he's coming in and be ready

732
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: for it, because they all of a sudden pop on nowhere.

733
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: And I I don't know about you, but in a lot

734
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: of cases, turkeys are like with a deer, they're they're

735
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: a pretty big animal, and even though they're well camouflaged,

736
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: if there's one getting close to you, it's usually you're

737
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: gonna know it. But lots of times a turkey can

738
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: just like sneak up on you because like most of

739
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: their body can be underneath grass and stuff. You just

740
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 1: see there's a little head that kind of pops around

741
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: above if they're in some kind of cover. Um, all

742
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: of a sudden, there could be one or right up

743
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: behind you before you even know it, if you're not

744
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: paying attention to it. So yeah, there's definitely, uh, there's definitely,

745
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: you know, just like deer hunting man, there's there's tips

746
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: and tricks and things you've got to learn on your

747
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: own in order to you know, in order to be successful.

748
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: So true, Um, what kind of calls to use? Did

749
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,439
Speaker 1: I tell you what? I cannot use a mouth call

750
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: for the life of me when it comes to turkey hunting.

751
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: I suck. I suck at mouth calling. So I have

752
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: a box call and I have a slate call, and

753
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: you know, I mix it up based off of what

754
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 1: you know, what's getting them responding. But most of my

755
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: calling is done with a box call. I'd say, I'd say, yeah,

756
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: so you prefer a box called the slate, yep, I do. Interesting.

757
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 1: I'm I'm the opposite. I'm not well to your point

758
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: with the reed calls, mouth calls, I'm not great at those.

759
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit better. I've been trying to get

760
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 1: better at that, because there's something to be said about

761
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: not having to use your hands when calling a burden.

762
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: So I've I've tried to get just good enough that

763
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: I can use it, you know, in some situations. But

764
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: I still prefer a slate most of the time. For me,

765
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, I feel like I have the most

766
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: control and I can just get the most accurate sound. Um.

767
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: I don't know why that is, but it just seems

768
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: to be a little bit more of I don't know,

769
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: I can just I've got a little more control over

770
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: the sound than I do with a box call. I

771
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: feel with the box is just like loud and squawky,

772
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: while with my slate call, I can I can kind

773
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: of you know, I can purr, I can cluck, I

774
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: can yelp, I can do a bunch of little things

775
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: with It's essentially just working a pencil on this on

776
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: this slate, and you just can kind of finesse it

777
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: and get different sounds, and for whatever reason for me,

778
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: that's what that's worked for me. Um. But the reads

779
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 1: are definitely a challenge. It takes a while to figure

780
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 1: out how to work your mouth to get the sound.

781
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: You know. That's right. So we've talked about our favorite

782
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: calls and how we like to call. Um. Now, you

783
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: said you sometimes these decoys, sometimes you don't, right, And

784
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: I always I always start out like in the morning,

785
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: my first setup will be with decoys, right, and then

786
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: as the because sometimes when turkeys fly down off the

787
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: roost roost, they all go in different directions, right, So

788
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: the goal after they get out of the tree and

789
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: onto the timber floor is to meet back up again

790
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: with one another. The tom's and the hens. They all

791
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: want to be in this group, especially, so if you

792
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: can get close enough to where they pitched down and

793
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: having you know they have the opportunity to see a decoy,

794
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're they're more likely to come in right

795
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: off the morning to you know, to uh meet up

796
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: with those other turkey. Yeah. So what's your typical dequeste? Um?

797
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: I I usually run a jake and a hand one jake,

798
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: one hand and do you have a particular way you

799
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: like to have them set up looking at you or

800
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: a pet or heads up, heads down, anything like that,

801
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: you know, not necessarily. I I typically have my hand decoy,

802
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: she has her head up, and I try to keep

803
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 1: her as low to the ground as possible, and then

804
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: I'll have the Jake decoy right like kind of off

805
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: to the side of her and but close to her.

806
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: And that's what works. But I mean I've I've had

807
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: success with two or three decoys. Um, I've cut the

808
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: I've cut a slice out of one of my Jake

809
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: decoys and I attached an old fan that I had

810
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: from a previous turkey kill and made what looked like

811
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: a full strut gobbler out of it. And uh, that's

812
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: I've killed turkey over that. You know. I've also killed

813
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 1: turkey over um, no decoy. So it just depends it

814
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: kind of what situation if you were, if you're gonna

815
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: sit a lot and it's early in the morning, I

816
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: use decoys. But after that I try to, you know,

817
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: take the decoys out of the equation and then make

818
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: them think that they have they can't see it, so

819
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: you know, if they if they can see something and

820
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: they're not terribly interested in coming in, then they won't

821
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: come in. But if they can't see it, it kind

822
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: of gets them thinking, hey, what uh, what's going on

823
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: over there? They may be more likely to investigate. Yeah,

824
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: I've definitely had I feel like I've had both situations

825
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: where like I felt like, you know, some kinds sometimes

826
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: like you just said there, But on the other hand,

827
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: sometimes they feel like I was calling a bird. He

828
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: gets within sight and they say, okay, I should be

829
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: able to see that turkey. Now where's the hen? Why

830
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: can't I see a hen? And then he won't come closer.

831
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: So I feel like for me, I I always am

832
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: experimenting and sometimes adjusting and seeing that change, you know,

833
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 1: make a difference right away. So first usually kind of

834
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: now after trying a lot of different sets with Jake's

835
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: and hens and Tom, I've kind of settled on. Usually

836
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: I start with a single old strut Tom and hen

837
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: with the hen's head down like she's feeding, and then

838
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: Tom behind her. But I will then gauge, you know,

839
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 1: the turkey's behavior and how they react to that after

840
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: a hunt or two, and then adjust. So the other

841
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: year I had a situation like that where I had

842
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: some birds come in. They saw it and it was

843
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,479
Speaker 1: just too much. They didn't like that tom in there.

844
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: They backed out, And I think that's sometimes kind of

845
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: a sign of the kind of like the phase of

846
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: the ruts, sort of we're talking in deer terms, you know.

847
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 1: The turkey mating season goes through a through kind of

848
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: a process, consistent process every year too, so there might

849
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: be in a different phase sort of of where they

850
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: are in the breeding season. So sometimes those turkeys, those

851
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: tom's are a little bit more competitive and they're interested

852
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: in coming in and beating up on another town. Other

853
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: times of the year they're not as interested in it.

854
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: So I kind of gauge that based on how they

855
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: react to that Tom. And so if I see those birds,

856
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 1: some gobblers or Jake's coming in, they see that tom,

857
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: they don't want to have anything to do with them,

858
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: and then I'll remove it. Lots of times just leave

859
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: that hand or put out two hands. And then sometimes

860
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: that ends up being the trick, because I think you

861
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 1: need to kind of pay attention to what they tell

862
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 1: you and then adjust accordingly. But I personally have always

863
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: I think I usually start with that tom and head

864
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,919
Speaker 1: and then and then go from there. But it's there's

865
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: no there's no one size fits all, you know. When

866
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 1: it comes to strategy for turkey, I almost I almost

867
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: think it's like deer hunting, but the information is processed faster,

868
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: you know. For you know, if you're after a buck,

869
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: you have to wait for him to come through, or

870
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: you know they're not making noise. You know, you you

871
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: try to find out a pattern. I feel that with

872
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: turkey you can process that information faster, which allows you

873
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: to make quicker decisions, which allows you to compress all

874
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: that all that decision making into one day to get

875
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: on a turkey as opposed to maybe a couple of

876
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: days to get on a deer. I think there's a

877
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: lot of truth to that. It definitely does allow you

878
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: to speed up a lot of that process because of

879
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: the audio, Nate sure of it all. It makes it

880
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 1: a lot of fun too, That's right, that's the truth.

881
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: So have you ever missed a turkey? I have never

882
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:17,959
Speaker 1: missed one. But I did shoot one head on full

883
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: while it was in full strut and it it did

884
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: a backwards flip somersault type deal and it didn't kill

885
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: it and it ran away. So I hit I didn't

886
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: hit it directly in the head. I hit it basically

887
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: in the breast a little like in the breast, and uh,

888
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: it just it was probably at about twenty yards, so

889
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: it it got a lot of the load, but um

890
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: it didn't you know, it rolled it over backwards. And

891
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: it's like my uncle always told me, if the turkeys

892
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: in full strut and you and you shoot him and

893
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: he doesn't hit the head, that's almost like a plate

894
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: of armor for it. I mean all those yeah, a

895
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: lot of feathers that are bristled up, and uh, it

896
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: allows a turkey to kind of have a little defense

897
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: mechanism sort of. Yeah, that's very true, and that's why

898
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: you aim for the neck and head. Yeah, if you're

899
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: hunting with a gun, if you're hunting with a gun, correct,

900
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 1: if you're hunting with a bow, you want a more

901
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: mid body, You've gotta be careful about that. They've got

902
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: actually a pretty small vital area in the heart, lungs

903
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: area in the body. So it's worth looking up at

904
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: a diagram to see exactly where they are because it

905
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: can be kind of tricky to pick up the exact spot,

906
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: especially if you're looking at a turkey that is full

907
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: strut versus not um from the diagrams I've always seen it,

908
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: it's usually helpful to look at that turkey's legs where

909
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: they come into the body and then go straight up

910
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: from that. No matter what angle the birds at from you,

911
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: if you look at where the legs come into the

912
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: body and then go up a little bit from that,

913
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: that's a good kind of frame framing to look at.

914
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: But I dan have missed three turkeys with a gun

915
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: or with a bow. Once with a gun, twice with

916
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 1: a bow. Um. My first bird I ever shot at

917
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: well was with my gun. No, no, let me take

918
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: that back. That was this is the first birds I

919
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: ever shot at were with a bow. And I missed

920
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: both of them, one of them, I just well know

921
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 1: both both of them. I shot right underneath them. I

922
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: missed judge the distance and just shot too soon on

923
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: both of those birds and shot kind of right between

924
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: their legs, right underneath them. Uh. And they were both

925
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: probably a little bit too far than I should have

926
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: been shooting at a turkey. Um. And that was like

927
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: that second season i'd ever hunted him. And then the

928
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: next year I went out with a gun and the

929
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: first gobbler I called in that year. He had come

930
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: in and came in directly behind me. And the way

931
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: I was set up, I was set up on my

932
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: back to a tree, not in a blind or anything.

933
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: I was just sitting up against a tree. And behind

934
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: the tree I was sitting next to it was a

935
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 1: huge pine tree, like a really thick, really big pine tree.

936
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: So that big pine tree kind of blocked a lot

937
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: of my vision behind me. So it was this was

938
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: an evening set and I was sitting on the edge

939
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: of a winter wheat field kind of where I thought

940
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,720
Speaker 1: these birds might be headed back up towards to roost

941
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: and low behole. You know. After yelping away, I finally

942
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: got one gobbling way off from the distance, um, and

943
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: it saw that he was coming by direction. But then nothing.

944
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: I didn't hear anything for like half hour forty minutes, UM,

945
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: and I was getting you know, closer and closer and

946
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: dark and heading or anything. And so finally I tried

947
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: another yelp again. And this is just like that situation

948
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 1: I talked about earlier, Like ten yards behind me, Max,

949
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: a gobbler just blows up right after I started help

950
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: and he came all the way in. It was right

951
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: behind me, but he was on the other side of

952
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: that pine tree. Well, I can't move because I'm worried

953
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: that he can see I can't. I can't get behind

954
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: me because he sounds so close. I don't want to

955
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: turn because he might be within sight. But at the

956
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 1: same time, I can't see him at all because it's

957
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: these pine trees right behind me. So I'm just frozen

958
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: there waiting. And as he starts coming up behind me,

959
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: I realized he's going to literally walk like right next

960
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: to me, like he's gonna be within like almost like

961
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: armed distance. I can just kind of hear this like

962
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 1: slowly working towards me, and so I realized, Okay, he's

963
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: going to walk right next to me, and he's gonna spook.

964
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: So I'm going to have to do like a one

965
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: two three spin around and try to shoot him, and

966
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: like try to do all that in a split second.

967
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: At least at the time, that seemed like the best

968
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: thing to do. So I just decided, okay, right when

969
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: I thought he was like getting like close enough that

970
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: I could do this, I did the countdown and then

971
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: I spun around and there he was like three yards

972
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 1: away from me, and I ripped the trigger and I

973
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: don't know what happened, but did not hit him at

974
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: all because he just went tearing off. And that was

975
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: my first mess with a gun. I was very upset.

976
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: How do you miss a turkey at three hearts? I

977
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: felt like a real idiot. Um. But then like five

978
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: ten minutes later I heard another gobble and lo and behold,

979
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: I was able to call in three more birds in

980
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: the last like five minutes of daylight before dark, and uh,

981
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: I got a really nice bird. Um. It came out

982
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: in front of me the way I was hoping the

983
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: first one would. So that was how I killed my

984
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: first bird. Was I was missing one of three yards

985
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: and then five minutes later getting a chance of a

986
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: real nice one right out in front of me. So

987
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 1: that's that was pretty cool. I have not missed one since,

988
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,720
Speaker 1: so knock on wood, Yeah, that might change the seif

989
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: I go out with the bow again. I think I

990
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: told you ever since I started dating my wife, and

991
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: it was like the first yeah, I don't even know

992
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 1: if we were married yet, and I took her out

993
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: in the first two years I took her out. We

994
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: didn't hunt in We hunted in a blind in the

995
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 1: mornings and then we just running gun all day. Well,

996
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: now I know better to do that, But the first

997
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: the first two years were it was a lot of

998
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: raining and a lot of walking, and I could look

999
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: in her face while she was behind me as I'm

1000
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: calling we're trying to get on in position for these birds,

1001
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: just not having any type of fun like the it

1002
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: was just soaking wet. So I was surprised on that

1003
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: third year when she decided, hey, yeah, I'll give this

1004
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: one more shot. And that's when she got her first,

1005
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: her first turkey. And uh, it's kind of funny to

1006
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: two toms came in at one time, and uh, so

1007
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: I'm coaching her through the I'm coaching her through the

1008
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: uh you know, the tom's coming in all right, you know,

1009
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: all right, get your gun up. Are you ready? Did

1010
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 1: you turn off your safety? Your safety is off? All right?

1011
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 1: Are you ready? Are you ready? And she's like yeah,

1012
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: boom drops it just drops it right in its tracks.

1013
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: And the other tim was kind of just hanging around.

1014
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 1: So I took the gun away from her and I started.

1015
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: I pulled it up to shoot the other time, and

1016
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: she jumps on me, giving me a hug because she's

1017
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: so jacked up that it kind of like the gun

1018
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: kind of goes off and I'm and I have to

1019
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: like adjust in my seat and put the barrel, you know,

1020
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: line the sights up again, and then I shoot the

1021
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: I shoot the next tom next to it. So her

1022
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: first turkey was a double or a double for us,

1023
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 1: and it was it was very it was like siding

1024
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: I had. So I'll tell you what, I have a

1025
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 1: lot of fun hunting with my wife, so I can

1026
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: definitely see that. It's it's just fun too. I can well,

1027
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: I have to turkey out with my wife too, but

1028
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: it's just fun to turkey out with another person. It's

1029
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: one of those types of things that you can really

1030
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: enjoy with another person. Yep, Now hold on one second, dance.

1031
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: My cat is in the office of me. Okay, it

1032
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: sounds like a pigeon. It sounds like a pigeon is

1033
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: in your And I was just gonna ask you, hey, man,

1034
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 1: what's uh for somebody jack hammeron outside? But it's a

1035
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: cat purring, the loudest cat ever, Cana. Her name is

1036
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: Bella Bella Okay, and she only has three legs. Really, yeah,

1037
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 1: she only has three legs. One of them well here's

1038
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. I'm gonna remove her from the office

1039
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna come back and tell you about that. Okay,

1040
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: so it's gonna take two seconds. I'll sing to everybody

1041
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: while you talk. You talk to people. Okay, guys, now

1042
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: that Mark is on, uh, let's let's talk really about

1043
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: what we think of Mark Kenyon. Okay, I mean, if

1044
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: you ask me, I think, man, I don't know. I

1045
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: don't get him. And what were you saying there? And

1046
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: that's why, you know, those are my five favorite things

1047
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: about Mark Kenyon. I can't wait to go listen to that.

1048
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: When I edit, I was gonna edit this whole cat

1049
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: section out, but I think I'll keep it. Not Yeah,

1050
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: so the cat, she was sitting here on the chair

1051
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: and she was sleeping, and I was like, okay, you

1052
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: know what, Like usually I make all my dogs and

1053
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: my cat leave when we recorded, but she was sleeping

1054
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: on the chair next to me. I thought, oh, she'll

1055
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 1: be fine. But that was a big mistake because she's

1056
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: the loudest cat ever. When she purrs, she's got this

1057
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: like smoker's cough per So, so what happened to her

1058
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: is she when we moved in this house. She was

1059
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: like a barn cat that was in this barn behind

1060
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: her house that my wife took a liking to. When

1061
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: we moved in, the cat would come up my wife

1062
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: with petter, and eventually she give her milk and food

1063
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: and kind of started liking this cap and it would

1064
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: be there like every day at our back door. And

1065
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 1: then one day the cat disappeared. And at about the

1066
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: same time, a local trapper had told me that he

1067
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 1: had asked if he could trap behind my house and

1068
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I told him the day before that

1069
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: yes he could. Um. Well, then the cat disappears, and

1070
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: my wife is freaking out, what happened to Bella? Where's bellah?

1071
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah, and like it had been like, I

1072
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: don't know, several days or something, and finally I was like, well,

1073
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe it got caught in one of

1074
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 1: the traps. So I called the trapper and I said, hey, man,

1075
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: my wife's cat disappeared. Is there any chance that you

1076
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: might have trapped that cat? And he's like no, no,

1077
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: and then it hangs up. And then that night the

1078
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: cat shows up on our front doorstep with its back

1079
00:55:56,280 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: leg just mangled. It was it had obviously been trapped

1080
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: and was just absolutely mangled. So my wife wigged out

1081
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: and took it to the vat and she decided that,

1082
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: you know, we it was either the cat had to

1083
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: be put down or we had to pay to amputate

1084
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: the cat's leg. And my wife was crying and I

1085
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: couldn't say no. So I spent all this money to

1086
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: amputate the leg of a barn cat that I didn't

1087
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: have anything to do with until we showed up here.

1088
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 1: And now that cat is a house cat that we've

1089
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 1: had for the many years since, and she's a great cat,

1090
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: but she is just really loud. So so that's that's

1091
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: the story of Bella, and that's why you heard the

1092
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: loud purring pigeon for the last ten minutes. I do

1093
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: not know what we were talking about before that, but oh,

1094
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: you know what I was thinking. One thing you mentioned

1095
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:52,439
Speaker 1: that that one day with your wife was reigning, right. Um,

1096
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: I'm curious about how you think different weather impacts turkeys.

1097
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: The one thing I've seen personally, well, there's two types

1098
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: of weather related factors that have influenced my turkey hunting success. One.

1099
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: I don't like windy days because it's hard to hear

1100
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: the gob it's hard to hear turkey and it's hard

1101
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: for turkey to hear you. So those are tougher days

1102
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: from what I've seen. And then rainy days can actually

1103
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: be good days because from what I've read, from what

1104
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: I've learned from guys that are actually really good turkey hunters,

1105
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: turkeys really like to be out in the open during

1106
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: the rain, even more so than usual because that rain

1107
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: impacts their ability to hear stuff when they're in the woods,

1108
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: So they go out into the wide open so they

1109
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: can see everything around them really well. That's where they

1110
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: feel safest during a heavy rain. So you can actually

1111
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: find birds a lot easier when it's raining because they're

1112
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: gonna be almost always out in the open. Those are

1113
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: two things I've learned about weather, anything that you've seen. Yeah,

1114
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: similar to what you know if it's if it's raining,

1115
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: or if it is really windy or even overcast. I mean,

1116
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: I feel that those three scenarios prevent turkeys from gobbling

1117
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: and being vocal. Now, on the opposite end of that,

1118
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: if you have a really crisp, no wind, beautiful sunrise morning,

1119
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: those are when the turkeys go the craziest. Those are

1120
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: days to be in the woods. That's that's right. So

1121
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: what's your worst turkey hunting mistake do you think you've

1122
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: ever made? Um? I don't know. Man, probably being too

1123
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: aggressive and just trying to bulldoze right into where I

1124
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: think they're at and you know, obviously not run full

1125
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: sprint through the woods trying to uh go get them.

1126
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: But you know, probably I've I've been busted several times

1127
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: where um, you know, because some sometimes they're heading away

1128
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: from heading away from you. It's it has it's typically

1129
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: in one of those days where they're not responding and

1130
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: uh you know it too calls either it's windy or

1131
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: training or it's maybe a little cast and I'm trying to, uh,

1132
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make a move towards their location where

1133
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: I last heard him or saw him, and in the

1134
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: meantime they've shifted position and I have I got busted

1135
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:17,479
Speaker 1: by a hen or a tom or whatever, um going

1136
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: to their location when they maybe a head flanked me

1137
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah, that's easy to do. Yeah,

1138
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: when they when they quiet up and then you start

1139
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: it's like, at least for me, I once you have

1140
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: talkative birds, you start just assuming that you know where

1141
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: they are, but you then make the mistake and that

1142
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: you thought they were two hundred yards away or whatever

1143
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: because you heard them there a couple minutes ago, and

1144
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: then you come around the corner and fifty yards aware

1145
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: there is when you thought you were still safe to

1146
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: be moving through there or whatever. So you just definitely

1147
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: got to be I think I've tried to teach myself

1148
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: to be a little more careful, Like you want to

1149
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: be aggressive, but careful, because you can't assume that if

1150
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: a bird's not talking, a bird's not there. You know

1151
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: that's right, that's right. So yeah, I've definitely made similar

1152
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: mistakes or something similar to that. I was hunting with

1153
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: my buddy Josh and he was one hunting. I think

1154
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: I was calling and uh, we were set up in

1155
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: the evening trying to we were trying to be close

1156
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: to where we thought they'd be roosted, and it was

1157
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: kind of a windy day and just nothing was talking

1158
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: as they're heading back to roost and so I think

1159
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: it was like, I don't know five heck, I don't

1160
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: know what it was. It was getting to be pretty dark.

1161
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: I was starting to think, I bet you that, Uh,

1162
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: I bet the birds have already gone up to roost.

1163
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,959
Speaker 1: Maybe nothing had been talking for like half hour forty

1164
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: five minutes that we had heard one gob away off

1165
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: distant a long time ago, but nothing now, and so

1166
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: we're like, all right, you know, let's just call it.

1167
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: So we stand up, and just as we stand up,

1168
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: we turned around, a big old gobbler goes running away.

1169
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: He was like twelve yards behind us, was right there,

1170
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: and uh, we just we didn't wait it out. We

1171
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: didn't put in the whole time. We were going to

1172
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: bail out of there early. And because of that, my

1173
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: buddy missed down and be able to kill his first turkey.

1174
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: So that was a bummer. But there's a lot of

1175
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: instances like that. I think that I've where I've spooked

1176
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: a bird because I moved too soon, or you know,

1177
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: I should have stayed put for a little bit longer.

1178
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: But the one that I said, I guess the turkey

1179
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: is that, at least from what I've seen, is they

1180
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: might be a little bit more forgiving of those kinds

1181
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: of mistakes than mature bucks are. Yeah. The uh, my

1182
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: favorite is, you know, I I'm hunting all morning, I'm

1183
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: going up and down these ridges and draws and chasing

1184
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 1: these birds. And then I walk up and I have

1185
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: my gun, um down, I take my I took my

1186
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: bullets out of it already. I you know, every all

1187
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 1: my calls are in my backpack. I got my head

1188
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: down walking and um. I step out into the field

1189
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: and I look up and there are two tims and

1190
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: like one or two hens. The toms are in full strut,

1191
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: probably ten yards from my park truck. H oh jeez.

1192
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: So so they'll sit there and they'll get spooped at

1193
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: a leaf fall in the tim, but then they'll go

1194
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: and strut by a tractor or a part truck. That's awesome.

1195
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: It's gonna be frustrating, yeah, but the cool thing about

1196
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: turkey hunting is you can you can be unsuccessful with

1197
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: a bird and give them maybe thirty forty minutes, maybe

1198
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: even an hour, and then those birds will go away

1199
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: to the next ridge. They'll get calmed down and they'll

1200
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: start strutting again, and they'll start you know, they'll they'll

1201
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: think that they're away from danger. They may not gobble

1202
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: as much if you busted them, but you definitely have

1203
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: an opportunity to call him in again, or or make

1204
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: a move get around them exactly and get another shot

1205
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: in that way. That's a That's a good way to

1206
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: go about it, for sure. One other random thing that

1207
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 1: I just thought of. It is not related to what

1208
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: we're just talking about at all, but I want to

1209
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: make sure we mentioned it before we go. Is one

1210
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: tip related to calling that I found has been really

1211
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 1: effective is mimicking a hen, and that if you hear

1212
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: a hen, there's another hen with tom somewhere near you.

1213
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 1: You're trying to call that Tomin, but there's also a

1214
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 1: hen that's making some noises to some me oping, mimic

1215
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: that hen, whatever noise she makes, make that noise, and

1216
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: then get more aggressive with it, and then just keep

1217
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: going back and forth. If you can piss off a

1218
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: hen lots of times and they'll get so fired up

1219
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 1: they'll come in and they pull on the town with them.

1220
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: I've done that many times, several times, I guess, just

1221
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: in the last two years that I have gotten a

1222
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: hen fired up, brought her in, and then a town

1223
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: was right on her tail. And uh, we got my

1224
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: dad a bird like that last year, and we got

1225
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 1: a shot at to Tom's in Ohio like that last year,

1226
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: and then the year before that we did a double

1227
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 1: May and my buddy Joshua hunting down on our Ohio

1228
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: lease and we had one of the situations where two

1229
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: toms came in together at the same time and we

1230
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,439
Speaker 1: did the one two three shoot and got them both,

1231
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: which was pretty cool. Yeah, that's always fun. So, yeah,

1232
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: that's that's something that I've I've heard from a lot

1233
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: of people like that was something I learned from some

1234
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 1: magazine and article, I right, or something that that I've

1235
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: seen work very well in the field. So if you hear,

1236
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: if you hear a noisy ahead, get right back at her. Yeah.

1237
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: Do you have setting Stone Turkey plans yet? What do

1238
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: you know when you're going out? Yep. Um, let's see.

1239
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: In Iowa, let me pull up my calendar real quick

1240
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: on my phone here. Um, let's see the youth season

1241
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: already has started, and I believe I don't know if

1242
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: it's I think it's like it goes in different seasons

1243
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: for gun hunting now. Uh, I think it's I don't

1244
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: know if it's this weekend or it's actually the eighteenth

1245
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 1: where archery season starts. So for Iowa, you can buy

1246
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,919
Speaker 1: one archery tag and you can hunt from the of

1247
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: April all the way until I think May or something. Now,

1248
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: for gun hunting, you're limited to seasons, so like the

1249
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: first season is the eighteenth through uh, and then the

1250
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 1: second season is the third, fourth, and fifth, maybe the sixth,

1251
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: and then the third season is then through. So the

1252
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 1: seasons get a little bit longer as the season or

1253
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: the Yeah, the seasons get longer as the month progresses,

1254
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: all the way into April, where I think the we

1255
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: have a bonus week, and then the third season is

1256
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: to two weeks, I think something something like that, but

1257
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 1: we always go the second week the second season, which

1258
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: is the first weekend. So it's a Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday,

1259
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: the first weekend. You said, it's the it's the first

1260
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 1: weekend that is available to hunt in those particular seasons. Yeah,

1261
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 1: but it's it's considered second season. So that's what you said.

1262
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 1: April that opens, So is that April or seventh or something.

1263
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 1: You'll be out there. I'll be out there next weekend,

1264
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 1: not this weekend, but next weekend. Nice. Nice. Yeah, I

1265
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: I will be starting to hunt next Monday, so a

1266
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: week from yesterday, and then my dad and Josh will

1267
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: be coming into hunt with me that weekend that you'll

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Speaker 1: be hunting, so we'll have some fun hunting. God, I'm

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Speaker 1: just so ready to get out and do some hunting.

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Speaker 1: I've been struggling. Are you going to Ohio at all? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do a weekend song hunt here during the

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Speaker 1: week next week. Then that weekend, Josh and my dad

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Speaker 1: will be down to hunt here, and then I think

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Speaker 1: the following weekend is when we're gonna go to Ohio.

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Speaker 1: And so that'll be when I put out cameras, do

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Speaker 1: a little stand adjustments and turkey hunt is Uh, let's

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Speaker 1: see here is Michigan in Ohio? Are they one or

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Speaker 1: two bird states? They're both one bird, So that's the

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Speaker 1: same as Iowa. I know there's some southern states where

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Speaker 1: I think you might be wrong. Ohio it might be

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Speaker 1: a two bird state. Okay. I know there are certain

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Speaker 1: states that are one one bird. There's other that are

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Speaker 1: two birds, and I think there are certain states that

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Speaker 1: there may be. Yeah, a five turkey throughout the entire

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Speaker 1: year like so that that just seems like a lot.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot of turkey. That's a lot of turkey.

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Speaker 1: I do wish that I could take two in Michigan.

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Speaker 1: UM two seems nice because like that's why I feel

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Speaker 1: like this year, like for a number of years now,

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Speaker 1: I've killed a bird within the first day or two

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Speaker 1: and then I'm done, And so then i just end

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Speaker 1: up going out with a bunch of other friends and

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Speaker 1: calling for them, which is still fun. As long as

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Speaker 1: I'm out there, I guess it doesn't matter. Um, but

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Speaker 1: I'm going to try to be a little bit more

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Speaker 1: selective just so I don't end it too soon. But

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Speaker 1: I've just been like getting Kevin fever, Like it's been

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Speaker 1: such a kind of cold, crappy spring here, at least

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Speaker 1: for us here in Michigan that I've just been dying.

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Speaker 1: Like since shed hunting season, I've not had anything terribly

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Speaker 1: fun to go do outside. So I'm just like I'm

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Speaker 1: ready to get out there and do some stuff. I've

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Speaker 1: been scouting, doing the work like that, but i want

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Speaker 1: to be out there hunting, so I'm excited for that.

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited. And then when do you start your

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Speaker 1: bass master turning? It's no bass Master tournaments this year, okay,

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Speaker 1: but I will be trout fishing here and dude, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be heading out to Idaho and like five or

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Speaker 1: six weeks, I think. So you're going to Idaho for

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Speaker 1: one month, in Montana for one month. Yes, yes, so,

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Speaker 1: son of a gun. Hello, I'm very excited. I'm very

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Speaker 1: excited about that, so counting down the days for all

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Speaker 1: that good stuff. But but I'm thinking we should shut

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Speaker 1: it down because you might be able to tell I'm

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01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: very stuffed up. I've got a cold, so I think

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01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: I need to take some medicine. And I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: going to bed kind of early tonight. So let's wrap

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Speaker 1: the sucker up. And before you guys go, just a

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Speaker 1: reminder to subscribe to this podcast if you haven't already yet,

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Speaker 1: check out Dance Podcast and nine Trigger Chronicles, and also

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Speaker 1: the brand new, revamped two point oh version of what

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Speaker 1: now called the One Sent Wild Podcast. That first episode

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01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 1: is dropping online this week, so make sure you subscribe

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Speaker 1: to check that out. Other than that, I want to

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Speaker 1: say thank you to our partners who helped make this

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Speaker 1: podcast possible. So big thank you to sit Gear, Trophy, Ridge,

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Speaker 1: Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds, Hunter A, maps, Ozonics, Carbon Express,

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Speaker 1: Maven Optics, and the White Tail Institute of North America.

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Speaker 1: And finally, thank you all for joining us today. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time. Hopefully it's got you stoked to do

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Speaker 1: some turkey hunting, and if you haven't gone turkey hunting before,

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Speaker 1: hopefully this will give you that little push out the

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Speaker 1: door to give it a try. So thanks again, good

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Speaker 1: luck hunting, and stay wired to hunt.