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Understand why they did it. 26 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: We'll dive into that and then hit some mailbag questions 27 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: at John Middlecoff, is the Instagram, Fire into those dms 28 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: at John middlecof Off Instagram, firing those dms. That's what 29 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: this is. Obviously over the weekend, we'll be reacting to 30 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: the playoff games Saturday night Sunday. I think I'm going 31 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: to Colin Uh, he's on vacation somewhere, but he'll be 32 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: back and we'll talk some football and then we'll rock 33 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: and roll. So we'll have content coming out for the 34 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: next every day. So buckle up, let's talk some football 35 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: and let's roll. 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I worked in radio for 55 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: three years and I worked at the radio station that 56 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: had the Raiders, and then my last two years there 57 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: I did Raiders postgame. Right we had the broadcast rights, 58 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: Greg Papa and Tom Flores Greg Papa's now the forty 59 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: nine ers guy because him and Mark Davis had a 60 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: falling out over Mike Shanahan interviewing for the team, which 61 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: now ironically he calls his son Kyle Shanahan. The Davis 62 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: family hated Mike Shanahan lot too much to even describe, 63 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,119 Speaker 1: but I got a pretty good understanding of the way 64 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: the Raiders operate and specifically Mark Davis, and it can 65 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: be off the wall a little bit. Now. I've always 66 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: given Mark respect for this since he took over the 67 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: team from his dad. He's taken some big swings and 68 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: John Gruden, even McDaniels and Ziegler. He's gone after Harbaugh 69 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: a couple times. I think he definitely sniffed around this time. 70 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: He's not afraid to spend money right, and he by 71 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: no means is the most cash flush owner in the league. 72 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: He's pretty active, though not in terms of telling you 73 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: who to draft or moves to make, just mean he's 74 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: around the team a lot. When he flies back with 75 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: the team old coaching staffs, he used to kind of 76 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: scream at like he's just he's there, he's part of it. 77 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: I mean, some owners fly on their own private jet. Back. 78 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: You know, every relationship is different. And listen, I say this, 79 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: people think I'm a Raider hater because Mark Davis did 80 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: not like when I was part around the team, they 81 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: were bad and I was pretty negative because what are 82 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: you gonna act like when they go three and thirteen 83 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: throw a fucking parade and me we butted heads a lot, 84 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: me and his other executives. And let's face it, like 85 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: I'm from northern California, born, raised, the Yankees are the 86 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: forty nine ers there and the Raiders are kind of 87 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: the redheaded step child, and they've always had kind of 88 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: that renegade persona and ever since they moved back in 89 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: the mid nineties, before they went to Vegas, they just 90 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: kind of played second fiddle and it got worse and 91 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: worse and worse. And then they moved to Vegas and 92 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: the fucking area it's incredible. I mean, gambling football is 93 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: king when it comes to sports gambling. That stadium is awesome. 94 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: And then they have sucked. I mean they have been terrible, 95 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: like consistently really bad. And the one year they were 96 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: kind of decent, their coach got fired in the middle 97 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: of the year, and I think that led to today 98 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: because when that when John Gruden got fired, and that 99 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: year was crazy. Right, Gruden gets fired, Henry Ruggs runs 100 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: into the car. I think he's in a Ferrari or something. 101 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: She blows up, literally dies in the dog. He's currently 102 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: in jail. And Henry Ruggs was a top fifteen pick. 103 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: In Rich Pasacia, the specialty coordinator who became the interim coach, 104 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: got them to the playoffs. Now, they lost to the 105 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: Bengals in a game that, let's face it wasn't really 106 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: that close, even though the final score will tell you 107 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: it was close. But he didn't go with him. He 108 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: ended up going with Josh, and we all know how 109 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: that played out. It didn't play out very well. He 110 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: got fired pretty much immediately, so I think when he 111 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: saw the landscape this time around, he was very much 112 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: inclined to stay with the guys that his players really like. Now, Listen, 113 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: every player, especially star player, is gonna have some sort 114 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: of relationship with the owner. Some are stronger than others. 115 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: But one thing we've learned is like DeVante Adams and 116 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: Max Crosby have a direct line to this guy, you know, 117 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: in a way that got Josh McDaniel's fire. I don't 118 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: debate them on the merit of he needed to go. 119 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: I have no problem with that. I wouldn't have hired 120 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: Josh in the first place. Looking back, totally understand. I 121 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: guess I would have let me rephrase that I supported 122 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: the hire in the first place. Clearly, it was really bad, 123 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: really quickly, and it was not going well. But when 124 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: Max Crosby the other day, and listen, I love Max Crosby. 125 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: I think he's me and his agent of butted heads 126 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: over his financial contract. I think he's easily on one 127 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: of the best contracts in the NFL. I mean he 128 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: is an elite player at a premium position, complete ass kicker, 129 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: never misses a game. You want to go to war 130 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: with a guy like Max Crosby, but the NFL is 131 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: not the NBA, and you don't let Brady never had 132 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: any power in New England. They went to nine Super 133 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: Bowls and won six. Right, this is not like when 134 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: Lebron tells you to jump, You say how high? You 135 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: know the management and the coaches they run this league, 136 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: And Max Kana basically said, didn't. I mean everything's on 137 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: the table, AKA, I'll ask for a trade if you 138 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: don't hire my guy. Now, and I understand liking a guy. 139 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: We all, whether it's a coach, whether it's someone you 140 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: work with, you gravitate towards certain people. And Max and 141 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: him had a strong relationship. But let's face it, and 142 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: Davante really likes him too. He's a likable guy. I mean, 143 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: he's a team captain that help upset which I made 144 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: a lot of money on relative to how much money 145 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: I had at the time in college when they beat 146 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: the giants. But I think anytime that you let the 147 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: players dictate the terms in this sport, it's a problem. 148 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: And it's listen, Antonio Pierce can lead men. He's natural 149 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: at that. Some guys come out of the womb and 150 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: they're just the guys at the front of the fucking line. 151 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: To me, that's Antonio Piers just kind of has it 152 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: when it comes to leadership. Will never be his deal. 153 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels laughed out of the room. I mean, they 154 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 1: can't because they would get cut. But the moment he 155 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: left the room, everyone side eye on him. That's not 156 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: the case with this guy. My question, though, is this 157 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: is an offensive league, in a league that's predicated on 158 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: offensive coordinators and quarterbacks, they have neither. Now they're firing 159 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: their entire offensive staff, which they already kind of did 160 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: because Josh Fire, you know, called the plays. They elevated 161 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: a guy after they fired Micha Lombardi Son too. There 162 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: have been some rumors about Cliff Kingsbury, Like, I think 163 00:08:58,040 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: they will be able to if they cut a two 164 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: million to our chech Land, an offensive coordinator that knows 165 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: what he's doing, how do they find a quarterback? And 166 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: is this group like, let's face it, Champ Kelly was 167 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: in Chicago when they drafted mis Trubisky. That's a fact. 168 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: Antonio Pierce is a defensive guy who was part of 169 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: a staff at Arizona State who had Jayden Daniels and 170 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: they were god awful. And then Jade Daniels went with 171 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: an offensive coach and Brian Kelly and won the Heisman. 172 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: So I'm not I understand the logic behind the higher 173 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: I understand the logic behind the leadership right and getting 174 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 1: a guy like that who takes a lot of pride 175 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: in the organization. That's the thing with the Raiders. They 176 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: have a like when you're around the forty nine ers, 177 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: it's it's like the Yankees or the Lakers like it's 178 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: about alumni, but it's about winning. It's about money. It's 179 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: about combination of everything, right, and number one is always 180 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: winning money. Right, How do we win? How do we 181 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 1: print cash? That's what all the bit that's the way 182 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: all the big organizations think. The Raiders have this like 183 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: collegiate alumni holding on to the seventies, the pride in 184 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: being this renegade brand, Like, we're not renegades anymore. This 185 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: is twenty twenty four. We make four hundred dollars or 186 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: four hundred million dollars a team from the media partners. 187 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: This is we're one of the biggest entities. We're literally 188 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: carrying on our backs broadcast television. Without the NFL, they 189 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: would crumble. This is no more the little engine that could. 190 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: Everyone hates us. No, we're all competing on a level 191 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: playing field. The Raiders really hold on to that seventies 192 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: eighties leagues out to get us, Referees hate us, like 193 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: that's something they'll never going to drop as long as 194 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: the Davis family has it, and Antonio Pierce really embraces that. 195 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: So I can see why Mark Davis likes him, and 196 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: I can see why people like him like everyone's liked 197 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: him since the player Rabel had that. How listen leadership, 198 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: Like I said, no issues offensive league, Who's gonna be 199 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 1: his offensive coordinator? How the hell do they get a quarterback? 200 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: How the hell did they get help? They had a 201 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: decent quarterback a couple of years ago, and it was 202 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: a disaster in Derek Carr when they got Josh McDaniels. 203 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: And clearly they can't go into next season with Aidan O'Connell. 204 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: I just you know Jimmy Garoppolo clearly is not the 205 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 1: answer either. You know, this division with Andy Reid, I 206 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: don't expect him to retire despite some of those rumors. 207 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: Piece I think we all agree the best coach in 208 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: the league, Sean Payton, clearly knows what he's doing, and 209 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: I think there's a decent chance though I still think 210 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: he could return to Michigan. That Jim Harbaugh is going 211 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: to be the coach of the Chargers. Well, if Jim 212 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: Harbaugh is the coach of the Chargers, even if Antonio 213 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 1: Pierce is a solid coach, in what world, how are 214 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: the Raiders going to compete in this division? I don't 215 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard. And listen, the Raiders are all 216 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: They've been in my adult life, fighting an uphill battle 217 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: for twenty plus years. They always get in their way 218 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: and listen. I don't have any ill will toward this guy, 219 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: but it starts with the organization and the ownership. I 220 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: think this organization inevitably. I think the league has wanted 221 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: it forever, especially once they moved to Vegas to get 222 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: someone new in there. And obviously Mark doesn't want to 223 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: let go with the team. I don't blame him. I 224 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: don't care because I think he could get like eight 225 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: billion dollars for it tomorrow, but he would rather be 226 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 1: the owner of the team than have the billions of 227 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 1: dollars in his pocket. And as long as they own 228 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: the team, I'll bet against him. It's just that simple, 229 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: some nothing personal, just based on previous information that is 230 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: factual and objective that when since he's owned the team, 231 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: they have been an utter fucking disaster. So I Antonio 232 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 1: Pierce came from Tom Coughlin Super Bowl champ. I think 233 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: he's it's gonna be hard. So I having some mailback 234 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: questions at John Middlecoffe. Is the Instagram fire in those dms? 235 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: This is from Hines from Augusta. Am I misremembering that 236 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: the Pats brought Baker in for a workout before he 237 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: was drafted. Baker out of contract. Belichick needs a quarterback? 238 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: Am I adding two plus two and getting twenty? Or 239 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: is there a match here? I think he definitely was 240 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: interested in Baker Mayfield. I mean that was a rumor 241 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: that was out there pretty strongly. So I would imagine 242 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: that Baker's gonna have options this offseason. Who' did I 243 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: just hear? I was listening to a podcast where they 244 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: said keep an eye on Cousins there? Oh is Albert 245 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 1: Breer has said it. That's a pretty expensive guy coming 246 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: off an achilles. So could Belichick at Baker for like 247 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 1: two years, forty million dollars and just function with him? 248 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: Make a team in his division even worse because that's 249 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: their starting quarterback. Don't think it's crazy. Don't think it's 250 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:42,719 Speaker 1: crazy at all. I've been enjoying hearing you grow your 251 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: podcast business over the years. Speaking of I am wondering 252 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: if you have any tips about growing a base of 253 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: podcast listeners from scratch. How did you do it? I 254 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: work in a water research group at a university, and 255 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: my boss has been doing a podcast where she interviews 256 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: experts around the world. We were trying to build a following, 257 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: but don't know how well. I can't really speak to 258 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: just building a following from scratch. When I transitioned to 259 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: podcasting in twenty sixteen, we just kept our radio show 260 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 1: going that was let go from radio. So our first 261 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: podcast had five thousand people listening because we had a 262 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: base of listeners, so we didn't start as a group 263 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: from nobody. And then when I started three and out, 264 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: I forget the exact year. Let's just say twenty eighteen. 265 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: I had Colin, so I had a distribution platform with 266 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: his podcast feet He would put me on it, so 267 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: it allowed me to get in front of people that 268 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: had never seen me. And then over the last couple 269 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: of years doing the YouTube stuff. Everything's on video that 270 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: allows you to have organic growth in the algorithm of 271 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: people seeing you searching a topic you're talking about that 272 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: would not have seen you. So I cannot speak to 273 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: just starting one day at starting at zero, because I 274 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: didn't do that. I'd come from a radio show in 275 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: the Bay Area where we had, you know, relatively solid following, 276 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: and then with Colin, I immediately had his distribution channel 277 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: and he would have me on a show, and now 278 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: I go on a show, so it's like we you 279 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: kind of cross promote organically that way, so it's hard. 280 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no My recommendation would be post clips 281 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: on social media, do everything on YouTube. In a business 282 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: like yours, I think I think a mail what's a 283 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: mail letter? An email list, something like that would probably 284 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: work because you're pretty niche. I would just try everything, 285 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: like there's no The best part about technology is you 286 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: can try something and after a while if it's not working, 287 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: just quit. But you don't just you don't just gain 288 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: traction immediately, you know. I mean this I've been doing 289 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: the show now if it is eighteen nineteen, twenty twenty one, 290 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: twenty two, twenty three, going into I mean we're going 291 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: on six years just for this podcast, so it's it 292 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: takes a while. What in the world is wrong with Stefanski? 293 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: Why did he just fire everybody on his staff and 294 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: they just had a remarkable season in spite of needing 295 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: four different quarterbacks. I saw that yesterday fired his offensive 296 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: coordinators running back coach. My gut is they don't really 297 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: vibe with Deshaun Watson and Deshaun Watson his camp aren't 298 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: feeling it, and you go, why the hell do we 299 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: care what Deshaun Watson thinks? Two and thirty million dollars? 300 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: It has an NBA feel to it, it really does. 301 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: You know, like NBA teams, it's one thing if you're 302 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: listening to like Lebron or Steph or Giannis. It's another thing. 303 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: You know that guy that's like, wait, this guy's on 304 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: the max. His team wins like twenty five games a year, 305 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: and then you're firing coaches because of him're like, yeah, 306 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: I'm short in that organization. That's kind of what the 307 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: Browns feel like right now. You know Deshaun Watson situation that, 308 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: let's face it, disaster. It just is didn't play well, injured. 309 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 1: You don't just random and who knows, maybe these coaches 310 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: and him were arguing behind the scenes that happens. I 311 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: don't have any inside information on that, but wild businessman, 312 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: it really is. You would go, who's had one of 313 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: the better years this year. You'd be like, shit that 314 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: whoever's calling the plays and designing the offense for Flacco 315 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: did a hell of a job, Like oh yeah, he 316 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 1: was just fired after the playoff game because Flacco throws 317 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: some picks like what are we talking about? Have you 318 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 1: watched his career? Love the content? I wanted to get 319 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: your take on Vrabel if this is a results driven league. 320 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: I'm not sure I get the hype around Vrabel's market 321 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 1: value as a head coach. He is sitting around five 322 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: hundred as a head coach with the Titans, didn't see 323 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: great success in Houston as a linebacker coach, and sure 324 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: as hell as the defensive coordinator. I get it. He's 325 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: a football guy and one rings with the Pats. But 326 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: when you look at the hate Sirianni and McCarthy get 327 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: Mike free. I want to look at his because I 328 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: think his resume is worse when you kind of dive 329 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 1: into the last couple of years. So you look at 330 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: McCarthy and Sirianni for producing much better records, I'm scratching 331 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: my head. Well, here's the thing, Siriannie had a guy 332 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: that could have won the MVP last year and Dak 333 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: Prescott could have won the MVP this year. Now they 334 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: get McCarthy gets credit for it, Clearly Sirianni does not 335 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: as much. Here's the thing, when you look at Vrabel's 336 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: head coaching record is this is his career record. I 337 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: want to look at his head coach. Okay, the last 338 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: two years have not gone well. He went seven and 339 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,959 Speaker 1: ten and twenty two, and he went six and eleven 340 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: this year, but he showed up. They go nine and seven, 341 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: nine and seven, eleven and five, twelve and five, and 342 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: he wins multiple playoff games as underdogs on the road. 343 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: So for a four year stretch, his first four years, 344 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: he was easily over five hundred. He was four games 345 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: over five hundred. He was six. So now he's ten, 346 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: he was seventeen games over five hundred. And the last 347 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: two years, as quarterbacks got injured, as his team got old, 348 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: as they traded star players, his team fell apart. Remember 349 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: he wasn't totally on board with the AJ Brown trade. 350 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: That's the other thing. And I've heard people saying this. 351 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: He worked for an organization that does not have a 352 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: lot of money, so for NFL standards, they're considered pretty cheap. 353 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on the recently merged football spring leagues? 354 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,479 Speaker 1: No thoughts, Just do not care. I really don't. We 355 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: talked about this the other day, Josh Allen and Mahomes 356 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 1: all in on that I don't watch minor league football. 357 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: I find it beyond boring. I really do. Now, if 358 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: it's just on in the background at a bar, i'll 359 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 1: peak up. I'm not acting like I won't stop on it, 360 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: but I don't follow the leagues. That's the job for like, 361 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: you know, a pro scout with a team. You know. 362 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: I just I can't even pretend to care. We don't 363 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 1: lie on this podcast, so I'm not gonna act like, oh, 364 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: I'm just love football no matter what. No, it's like 365 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: it's worse than preseason football. It really is, because at 366 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: least in preseason football, I get the coaches on the 367 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: sideline and some new draft picks. So I'm not I 368 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: don't care now for the health of the league, easy way. 369 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: If you're a scouting department, you keep track on guys 370 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: that shine, guys that have been washed out of the league, 371 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 1: and you can find some diamonds here and there. But 372 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: me personally can't even pretend to give a shit. I'm 373 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: a big Chiefs fan, and I've heard rumors that Andy 374 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: would retire after the season. The Chiefs are bracing for 375 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: that possibility. I'll be stune. Before I read the rest 376 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: of your question. I don't think, not that I have 377 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: inside information, but unless there's something health related, I'd have 378 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: a hard time mahomes peak of his career working with 379 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: his guy veach in a city loves and an organization. 380 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: I think it would be stunning, I really do. I've 381 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 1: never thought about this, but this has been an ongoing conversation. Yeah, 382 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: I just I think Florio wrote it. I'm not expecting it. 383 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: I really will be shocked, even though the story's already 384 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: out there. I do not expect it. I do not. 385 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: Just wanted to ask your quick chief question. I don't 386 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 1: know if this is a big enough deal on the pod, 387 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: so I figured I ask it here. The decision is 388 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: Jones versus Sneid. Jones is thirty and would get more 389 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: based on name value and position going into the year. 390 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,959 Speaker 1: I'd lean him, but Sneid has played well, is younger 391 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: and would be cheaper. Here's what my guess they do 392 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 1: with Chris Jones. I think they trade him, They tag 393 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: and trade them. I would expect that to happen, and 394 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: now it maybe I don't remember this and I don't 395 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: have the article up. I'm pretty sure they don't have 396 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: anything in his contract that he's not taggable that they 397 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 1: have to let him hit free agency. But if that's true, 398 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: I just don't expect him to like them to give 399 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: him ninety hundred million dollars not a third contract. And 400 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: let's face it, the history of the Patriots show up. 401 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: You don't give third contracts away to anyone but Tom Brady, 402 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: so beside Patrick Mahomes, you can't give And he's a 403 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: good point. I'm not acting like this guy doesn't deserve it. 404 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: But I don't think the Chiefs, Pam, what do you 405 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: think the Seahawk should be a quarterback? And who do 406 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: you think is going to be the next head coach. 407 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: I think they should try to get Pennix or Nicks 408 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: in the drafts and trade for fields. They're not gonna 409 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: do both those two things because Gino's under contract and 410 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: the GM's there and they like them, so to me, 411 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: Gino's on the team next year. The question is Gino 412 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: the backup or is he the starter? The other thing 413 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: is Pete Cal's culture is one of like positivity and 414 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: optimism and smiles and fun and like shooting baskets. That's 415 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 1: not like I would hire Mike Rabel over Dan Quinn 416 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: one without even question, especially when you factor and he's 417 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: bringing Arthur Smith. Uh. But I think that I think 418 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: they really like Pete's thing, and they're gonna hire dan Quinn, 419 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: who to me is like the poor man's version of 420 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll. So I'm just prepared for you to hire 421 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: dan Quinn. I just expect the Seattle Seahawks to hire 422 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: dan Quinn, which I think if you're John Schneider, I 423 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: understand Pete's culture and the fun and the smiles. I 424 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 1: think you gotta be very careful man. I really do 425 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 1: like as a good GM, your whole success is predicated 426 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 1: on the coach. Like part of the reason John Schneider 427 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: became a good GM was because he had Pete Carroll. 428 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: Like we think Brett Veach's a genius, Well, he would 429 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 1: be the first tell you it's because I got a 430 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: fucking awesome head coach. John Lynch looks a lot better 431 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: with Kyle Shanny and less need with Sean McVay. Ask 432 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: Goodakins what Lafour means for his draft prospects. I would 433 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 1: never hire our coaches because I like the guy. I'm 434 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 1: not saying you don't want to like the guy, but 435 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: is he the best coach and then from there can 436 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: we forge a relationship. Mike Rabel makes people uncomfortable. Alpha Bravado. 437 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: Like I said, first four years, seventeen games, over five hundred, 438 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: Ryan Freakin, Tanny Hill, I think Mike Rabel's good. And 439 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 1: if you bring me Arthur Smith, I'm in comment question 440 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 1: for the pod. It kills me that seemingly none of 441 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: these teams considering a coaching change are willing to pull 442 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: the trigger or go after Bill Rabel. Harball, Carol, I 443 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: mean that is the best list of head coaching candidates 444 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: we may ever see. Do you think there is any 445 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: chance a team like the Eagles or the Steelers pitch 446 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: Rabel Mike Smith the idea of becoming coordinators together for 447 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 1: a year a team like the Eagles, because come compete 448 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: for a championship and then go together to a way 449 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: better coaching job available next year. Next year, they could 450 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: have options that include the Cowboys, the Bears, the Eagles, 451 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: the Steelers, the Bills. Here's the thing. Someone fired in 452 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: my DMS earlier and I was like, my workout to 453 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: day was pretty shitty. So I was just kind of 454 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: sitting on the bench spending about an hour to do 455 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: about fifteen minutes worth of stuff. And I responded to 456 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 1: him because he asked me, why do guys like Ben 457 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: Johnson or any good coordinator rush to become a head 458 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: coach instead of just like playing it out? And I said, 459 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: it's a basic, basic math equation. Let's just say Ben 460 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: Johnson is making two million dollars, which he might make 461 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: a little more, he may make a little less. But 462 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: let's just for arguments say two million dollars a ton 463 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: of money. That the percentage of human beings that are 464 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: w two employees that make two million dollars is well 465 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: under one percent. I mean, you're talking like he's a 466 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: top point zero five percenter. I mean, he's an elite cat. 467 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 1: But to become a head coach, especially a guy let's 468 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: say Ben Johnson who's going to have potentially multiple teams 469 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: willing to offer him as the head coach, that number 470 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: goes to twelve million dollars. So listen, two million dollars. 471 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 1: You're rich in America. I don't care where you live, 472 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,679 Speaker 1: I don't care what the tax structure is. That's a 473 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: ton of cash. That's a lot of disposable income, house, 474 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: life trips, family, private schools. You got it made. But 475 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: if you're making two hundred grand, let's just put it 476 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: in that sort, in that relative, and you might not 477 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: leave for a job that pays you three hundred fifty grant. 478 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 1: If you've got to move states, you got to change 479 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: school districts depending on your wife may have a job 480 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: in the area. You're like, it's not worth it. But 481 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: what if that two hundred thousand dollars job, someone calls 482 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: and offers you one point two million dollars and they'll 483 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: sign you to a three year contract. So it's like, 484 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 1: you're not you're guaranteed you know, almost four million dollars. 485 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: You would borderline have to like look at your wife 486 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: and your family. Guys, we don't have a choice, or 487 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: you guys, stay here, I'll commute back and forth. Right, 488 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: So it gets to a financial situation of how do 489 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 1: you turn down a five year contract over fifty million 490 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: dollars and honestly it could be seventy five million dollars. 491 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: So it's almost like a player, right when a player 492 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: hits free agency, we never go, well, why would you 493 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: leave the Steelers to go to the Cardinals, right, or 494 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 1: why would you leave the Niners to go to the 495 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: US sometimes hard to think of crappy teams. Who's a 496 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: crappy team to the Jets? Right, You'd be like, well, 497 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: they offered me ten X. So I think it's simply 498 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: about money. It really is, And you go, well, is 499 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: it worth risking your entire career? I mean for fifty 500 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: sixty seventy million dollars? Because I was texting someone the 501 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: other day like, why would a coach, an offensive or 502 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator go to the Eagles? Right? Because you know 503 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: that if it goes with Siriani might not make it 504 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: to Halloween, if things go weird. And they're like, coaches 505 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: love money. The coach will sign a two year let's say, 506 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: Wink Martindale two years, six million dollars. Who gives a shit? 507 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 1: Works great, not doesn't matter. I'm still getting paid. As 508 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 1: crazy as it sounds, they the almighty dollar. When you're 509 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: talking at the price points, I mean some of these coaches. 510 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: There are a lot of starters in the NFL making 511 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: under three four five million dollars. That's what assistant defensive 512 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: coordinators are making. You start talking head coach making ten 513 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: to fifteen million dollars. Google a lot of rosters, how 514 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: many guys on the majority of NFL rosters make over 515 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars, not that many. Longtime listener question for you, 516 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: do do you think Jerry Jones keeps McCarthy because he 517 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: thinks that next year at least, that he's the best 518 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: coach in the division, especially when you factor in the 519 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: team talent. He's probably better in Siriannie. He's not probably. 520 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: I mean, he's legitimately a better head coach than Sirianni. Right, 521 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: He's won a lot more Nick, and he can call place. 522 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: I'll be the first to be critical of Mike McCarthy 523 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: in these big spots. Comparing him to to Nick Sirianni is, 524 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: come on, we gotta be we gotta stop ourselves. Mike 525 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: McCarthy's resume looks like John Harbos. I mean, Nick Sirianni's 526 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: begging for his job right now and has to bring 527 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: in an offensive coordinator. He's an offensive coach. I think 528 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: it's just simply when you're eighty plus years old, Hell, 529 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: I'm on the forty, It's like, do I really want 530 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: to change this? Do you really want to change that? 531 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: Imagine being eighty You're like, do I want to do 532 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: a coaching search? Do I really want to deal with 533 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: Belichick's curmudgeon ass, And part of it might just be 534 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: as simple as like, I kind of like being in 535 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: full control. Mike McCarthy is a good employee. He is 536 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: like in Green Bay, the gms are in charge. That's 537 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: not how it is most places. Right. It's why Bill 538 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: when he got Bill Parcells or Jimmy Johnson, it's like 539 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: he didn't like that feeling. Well, you get Mike McCarthy, 540 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: you kind of gonna do whatever you're gonna say. If 541 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: you sign Dak, he'll play back. You sign whoever, He'll 542 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: play those guys. That's not the way it works in 543 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: a lot of places, right, So a lot of these 544 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: coaches if he did, like you think Belichick's gonna do 545 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: everything Jerry wants. The other thing Belichick would tell Jerry 546 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: is like, listen, even if you guys are gonna run 547 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: the personnel department, you cannot talk after every game in 548 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: the locker room. That can't happen. I'm the voice. What 549 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: do you think Jerry's gonna say? This is my team. 550 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: I want to talk in the locker room. I'm talking 551 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: to locker room. You know who is not gonna tell 552 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: Jerry to not talk in the locker room Mike McCarthy. 553 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: Pretty simple, the volume