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Speaker 2: The World's a Pigeon podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's it's the Tuesday after the Sunday that wasn't

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Speaker 2: speechless speech I don't know which way to go, Hi, Evan, Hello,

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Speaker 2: how you doing?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just okay, yeah, I'm not going to get into

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Speaker 4: any offensive comparison. The Patriots had about two hundred quarter

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Speaker 4: that Zeema doesn't even want that makeup.

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Speaker 5: But Diana Rossini is saying that Max Crosby wants to

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Speaker 5: plavor Rabel already.

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Speaker 3: He said that on Radio Row last.

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Speaker 2: Week Brady wouldn't let the Patriots get him the light

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Speaker 2: banter of Evan Lazar and Alex bar Alex came back

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Speaker 2: with a little hop in his steps. So I don't

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Speaker 2: know what happened down there.

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Speaker 5: But on Monday morning he texts, I get wake up

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Speaker 5: to a text from It's just like.

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Speaker 1: Who is this woman that's knocking on my door?

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Speaker 2: It was like, why did I get a bill?

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here

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Speaker 2: at Jillette Stadium, and I can tell you we are

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Speaker 2: officially into the offseason. All the all the post mortem

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Speaker 2: press conferences are done, most of the players are gone.

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Speaker 2: There's some coaches and scouts still here, obviously because we're

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Speaker 2: only really days away from the combine. But I think

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Speaker 2: Mike Rabel went on a little VAK today, So it

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Speaker 2: is over. It is over twenty twenty five, the book

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Speaker 2: has been written. We are on to twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 5: That's my favorite, is like when the head coach like

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Speaker 2: He's not here then, like I can always put in

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying, like during the bye week he went

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Speaker 5: on a little quick VAK too, and I was like.

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Speaker 3: I'm watching, Like, why am I watching tape?

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Speaker 2: With coaches, it's a lot easier when you have his means,

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Speaker 2: you can just get away quicker, you know. For us,

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Speaker 2: it's playing trains and automobiles.

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Speaker 1: He's got a staff of people working on a lot

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Speaker 1: of the things that we're trying to get up to speed.

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Speaker 2: On yep, So what are we getting up to speed

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: If I crack, I know, yell at me. I'm you know,

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Speaker 1: starting to plan out our draft shows and all that

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Speaker 5: Ten pm on Monday Tuesday morning, I walk into the office.

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Speaker 5: Induces already you know, we got what's your draft breakdown?

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Speaker 3: I was like, Mike, we just got back from the

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Speaker 3: super Bowl that yesterday. Can we no give me a.

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Speaker 1: Turn the page. This is how I deal with it,

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Speaker 1: exactly what I.

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Speaker 5: Said to Paul. I was like, I think this is

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Speaker 1: There's a certain delight I take you guys make fun

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Speaker 4: Front of that.

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Speaker 4: I am a little in aw of it.

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Speaker 1: There's a difference, but there's a certain like and I think,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we agree with that we got beat by the

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Speaker 4: No, I'm not that easy to record. Yeah, there wasn't

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Speaker 2: You didn't have a lead and you blew it.

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Speaker 3: It could have been I am, yeah, I understand all that.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, No, but it was your first one here,

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to like figure out the best way to

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Speaker 5: Like I like all the points you guys are making

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Speaker 5: so much better than what they ended up doing in

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Speaker 3: Why didn't they do that? Why weren't they prepared.

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Speaker 2: For what was going on in your mind in the moment?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 5: Because it was it was like it never even like

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Speaker 5: that that's the piece of it that stings, not necessarily

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Speaker 5: unfolded obviously didn't it didn't state like it was inevitably.

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Speaker 5: I totally understood, but I just felt like they they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought the you had you said your piece

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Speaker 5: He he just didn't look prepared on offense, which is

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Speaker 5: just so bizarre for Mike Rabel and Josh McDaniels, who

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Speaker 2: And in Josh McDaniel's mind, it's like changing things up

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Speaker 4: I've heard an interesting take from Jason mccordy one bring

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Speaker 5: I thought this was the best take that I've heard

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Speaker 4: Finish it up too, Just that he was saying, you know,

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Speaker 4: in the past, Josh has shown the ability to adapt

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Speaker 4: You get two, he's on the offensive line, you got

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Speaker 4: It wasn't one of those situations where you could go

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Speaker 4: less anxious personally. I would liked to have seen him

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Speaker 4: eight times in a row, right, And I.

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Speaker 5: the things that you know. On Thursday, I'm still throwing

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Speaker 5: But the continuity piece of it is something that I

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Speaker 5: make more sense to obviously you want to stack talent

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Speaker 5: Jalen Hawkins. You know he's a free agent. Could you

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Speaker 5: But Devin mccordy, Patrick Chung, and Deron Harmon played a

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Speaker 5: where everybody was gonna be. And like, is it better

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Speaker 5: to just kind of grow from this together, as you know,

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Speaker 5: all eleven guys versus you know, we need wholesale changes

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Speaker 5: because Seattle blew us out in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I just like, I'm curious how this now is gonna

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Speaker 1: and what are the stories around this team now? And

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Speaker 1: really what are the expectations. I think that's the biggest

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's all fair. I think we're all

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Speaker 1: And those are the voices that are gonna be really

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Speaker 4: I think that's fair, and I think the Buffalo situation

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because they have Josh Josh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to get to the points. I'll also

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Speaker 4: In pretty you know, they spent a lot of money

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Speaker 5: Be more consistent moving the ball. You know, I think

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Speaker 2: To be better spent elsewhere? You know. Rabel mentioned it

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Speaker 3: And he he's not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. You can't do that in any sport.

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Speaker 3: You know, I wonder really what the big sticking.

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Speaker 3: I think Bradbury is the best example of that.

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Speaker 1: Good example. I mean I don't love their receiving corps.

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Speaker 2: he's ascending every year, he's gotten better. And I think

440
00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,960
Speaker 2: you I'm not saying he's your one or two, but

441
00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,360
Speaker 2: having him as a three or four would be really Yeah.

442
00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,439
Speaker 4: I'm not having any of those guys back. I just

443
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,000
Speaker 4: if you're asking me untouchable, none of them are on.

444
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:18,600
Speaker 9: Yeah.

445
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,359
Speaker 5: I think that's the biggest problem with Booty is like,

446
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,240
Speaker 5: if you go out and Shade Trade for a J. Brown,

447
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,640
Speaker 5: then that's that's he's going to play in Booty's role

448
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,960
Speaker 5: like that, he's going to get Booty snaps. So if

449
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:35,200
Speaker 5: you're trying to upgrade the playmakers around Drake May, then

450
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,640
Speaker 5: Kayshawn Booty is probably the most obvious one that's gonna.

451
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,680
Speaker 2: So having Booty and a J. Brown on the field

452
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 2: at the same time is not good.

453
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,159
Speaker 3: It's not not good. I just don't you know.

454
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:45,440
Speaker 9: A J.

455
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,920
Speaker 5: Brown, in my opinion, is a true X. Kayshawn Boody

456
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 5: has been playing the X in their offense.

457
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 7: You know.

458
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,240
Speaker 5: I know there's a lot of people that talk about

459
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,600
Speaker 5: his LSU days and playing a little bit more off

460
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,160
Speaker 5: the line and in the slot, but plot, I don't

461
00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,679
Speaker 5: know if he's that guy anymore. You know, at LSU

462
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 5: before pre ankle injury, has got a different level of

463
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,479
Speaker 5: explosiveness than what he has now. I'm not saying he

464
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 5: can't do it, but he's been playing on the outside

465
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 5: for his most of his NFL career, and that's kind

466
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 5: of where he's been.

467
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:14,120
Speaker 4: I knew.

468
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 2: All.

469
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, I'm just gonna say real quick. My question

470
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 1: with Booty is how much is Drake May's ability to

471
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 1: throw the ball deep accurate? I mean, he's got great hands,

472
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 1: no question he's had. Booty's had great hands since he

473
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 1: got here. But is he a product of Drake May?

474
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 1: How much percentage of his production is a product Drake May?

475
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 2: Because then you can get somebody who can do more.

476
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,000
Speaker 4: I think you're getting a little defense, Like no one

477
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 4: wants to push Booty off the roster, Like that's not

478
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,399
Speaker 4: what was you asked if anybody was untouchable, you know, so,

479
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 4: like I like the way Jamario Douglas played this year.

480
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,639
Speaker 4: For the most part, he wasn't a huge part of

481
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 4: the offense, but when he was called upon, he generally

482
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 4: came through and made some place. Do you think that

483
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,160
Speaker 4: he's still that guy or would you say, like your

484
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 4: guy Efton Chisholm is really knocking on the door and

485
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,159
Speaker 4: wants to replace him. Is Kyle Williams a guy you

486
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 4: know we don't see behind the scenes. Is this a

487
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 4: guy that they think is really ready to break out

488
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,919
Speaker 4: and be a huge part of the offense this year?

489
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 4: Does he push someone's roll, you know away like that's

490
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 4: you know, Matt Collins. I agree with everything Mike said.

491
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 4: He has that catch radius that certainly Drake tends to

492
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 4: look at and he likes throwing to the tall guys

493
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,399
Speaker 4: and putting the ball out away from the frame, you know,

494
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 4: the body frame. Can you get better than that? Like,

495
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 4: I think any of those guys I'd be happy to

496
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 4: have back, But if they could upgrade any of them,

497
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 4: I would say you should do.

498
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,679
Speaker 1: I think they need one new receiver at least. I mean,

499
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 1: I think they need one guy in the mix. And

500
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 1: they're all coming back. So that goes back to being

501
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 1: what's the how do you make a tough decision there?

502
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 1: And then they're all coming back. How who do you go?

503
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 1: Who goes? Who do you upgrade?

504
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 4: I just keep that phrase that he used Tuesday, you know,

505
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,239
Speaker 4: younger and cheaper, Yeah, looking, you know, And that's the

506
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 4: reality that everybody has to understand. The reality of the

507
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 4: NFL is they're always you're always looking to get younger

508
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:54,679
Speaker 4: and cheaper.

509
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 2: I think the one the person I have the highest

510
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 2: hopes for his booty that I see.

511
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 3: I kind of think this is Booty's peak.

512
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 5: Like I think that's really who he is, and that's

513
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 5: not it's not a bad peak, Like it's not I think, yeah, yeah,

514
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 5: but I think this is sort of I mean, we're

515
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 5: going on your what three year, four of his year?

516
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know that.

517
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 2: First year, I mean they were extenuating circumstances might have

518
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 2: stunted his growth. But I think not not not all

519
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 2: other people, but himself too. And he admits that.

520
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

521
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,439
Speaker 5: I just I just wondered, you know, his skill set, Like,

522
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 5: I feel like this is kind of pretty close to it.

523
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 9: Now.

524
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 5: Maybe he has a different level that you know, we

525
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 5: haven't seen yet. But if you're looking to upgrade at

526
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 5: wide receiver, and I'm I'm kind of with Paul like,

527
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 5: I don't need another kaish On Booty. I need a dog,

528
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 5: like I need a top dog in the offense. Because

529
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 5: they have kish On Booties, they have Matt Collins, they

530
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 5: have Kyle Williams as like the young guy that you

531
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 5: know is hopefully going to continue to ascend.

532
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 4: I think that's a big part of it. Kyle Williams,

533
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 4: I think, I mean personal, I don't know if he

534
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 4: has that kind of potential. But if I'm wrong and

535
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 4: he does, I think that has the potential to do

536
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 4: what Evan's talking about, to give you an explosive player

537
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 4: who's on the rise in you know, in year two,

538
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 4: you should be still getting better.

539
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

540
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 4: I kind of agree about Booty. I like Booty. I

541
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 4: think he had a really good.

542
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 1: He's number two to Hollins for me. I mean, he's

543
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 1: right there, no question.

544
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 4: I think Boody had a good year. But I think

545
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 4: this is what he is like even in the second

546
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 4: half of the year he kind of tailed off.

547
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just wonder if you know, if you're truly

548
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 5: interested in some of the top receivers in the market,

549
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 5: you know, and aj Brown at George Pickens, dow will

550
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 5: hit free agency, but if he does, you know something

551
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 5: like that, then that where you're gonna play him like

552
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 5: you know you're going to play him in all in

553
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 5: the in Kishon booty spot and so his digs now,

554
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 5: you know, back is he the number two receiver maybe?

555
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 5: And you know you kind of I think that's probably

556
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 5: better for him. Like where he would fit in better

557
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 5: is you know, kind of what he had in Houston

558
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 5: in theory with Nico Collins, kind of being the number

559
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 5: one guy in him sort of playing off of Nico Collins.

560
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 5: You know, that sort of thing I think is the ideal.

561
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 5: But that's not drafting a guy in the third round

562
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 5: like Kyle Williams and hoping it works out again, like

563
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 5: that's you gotta go invest in that. That's a big

564
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 5: trade or a big free agent signing or something like that.

565
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: It's just one other thing on the other side of

566
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: the all. Like I just I know they have holes

567
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: on defense. I feel really good about the defense though,

568
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: just I have confidence in the coaching staff, in their

569
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: style of play and the pieces that they still have.

570
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: I think they'll figure it out on defense, and I

571
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: think they're going to be really competitive on defense. No

572
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: matter how this often is.

573
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: If there's a choice between a top dog wide receiver

574
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 2: free agent or Max Crosby. You know who do you

575
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 2: go for?

576
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 3: That's the tough one.

577
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 1: The tough one. I mean, I honestly might come down

578
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: to age for me, Like I think, you know Max

579
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 1: Crosby still being in his twenties, I would probably lean

580
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: him over say a thirty one thirty two year old

581
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: wide receiver dog. I don't know who the names are,

582
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,959
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of intrigue with ma Max Crosby.

583
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: I think he's a game changer.

584
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think so. Are you talking about

585
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 4: like AJ Brown or Max Crosby? Yeah, because I would

586
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 4: go Max Cross every day twice on Sunday. But if

587
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 4: you're telling me I can get a true number one receiver,

588
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 4: that is like I kind of think AJ Brown's leveling off. Yes, sure,

589
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 4: you know, like Justin Jefferson. Yeah, gim me Justin Jefferson.

590
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, that's the best receiver.

591
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 4: You're saying it's gonna happen, fully recognizing that's a ridiculous hypotheticals.

592
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I I I just can't get out of my head.

593
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 5: How good of a program fit Max Crosby would be

594
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 5: like I think Max Crosby and Mike Rabel are kindred spirits.

595
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 5: I think the way that Max Crosby works, his attitude,

596
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 5: his play style, like all of the above is just

597
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 5: like effort and finish.

598
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: You know, miss effort and finish.

599
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 2: The guy that, like.

600
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 5: Says, his alarm goes off at four fifty five am

601
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 5: and he drives the facility and is thereby six every

602
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 5: morning working you know, on his craft, working out in

603
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 5: the gym. Like that's the that's a program type of guy.

604
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 4: Sounds like me getting here and I just I.

605
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: Have crossword like I think love there's no I mean,

606
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: it's so obvious after this year, what do you guys

607
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: think about?

608
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 4: Because that continues to be like in the news, like

609
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 4: every day you go on you know, you click on

610
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 4: Twitter and you see something about Max Crosby. Today there

611
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 4: was a Florio piece sort of talking about some comments

612
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 4: and now he kind of seems like, you know, these

613
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 4: people were talking for me and they really shouldn't be

614
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 4: and blah blah blah. He knows, But where do you.

615
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: Do you read? I think he wants out. I mean

616
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: there'll be a lot of teams want.

617
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 5: Like one or two playoff games in his time with

618
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 5: the Raiders, and now they have another new coach.

619
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: I just I don't think it's an I've heard worse

620
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 2: conversations and then at the end it works out and

621
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 2: the player comes back and everything's fine. So a lot

622
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 2: of this is just negotiating on the part of the Raiders,

623
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 2: just you know, we're not going to trade them, blah

624
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 2: blah blah. How many times have we heard teams say

625
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 2: that and then they do and then how many times

626
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: have we heard a player say I hate this place,

627
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 2: I'm never coming back, and then they do.

628
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:01,959
Speaker 4: Yeah with him.

629
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: I believe it, though, and I mean for good reason.

630
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: It's just been constant dysfunction there and this place looks

631
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: appealing because it seems like for the foreseeable future there's

632
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: gonna be stability here. And that's you know, when they

633
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: were in the playoffs, it just that's the movie. You

634
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: need goes back to me. For the quarterbacks. You're gonna

635
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: face great quarterbacks next year. You need somebody. You need

636
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: a dude next year, and that that is my biggest priority.

637
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: On the defensive side.

638
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: Of the ball is scary defense.

639
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 5: If you put Max Crosby with the secondary, that they've

640
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 5: put together.

641
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't care.

642
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: I don't care who Elijah Pond or whoever's on the

643
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: other side. And you know, I bring back, you know,

644
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: bring back the Raiders defense from last year with Chase

645
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: on Andy.

646
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 3: I mean, does.

647
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 5: Max Crosby with Williams and Barmore push in the middle

648
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 5: of the pocket, like where's the quarterback?

649
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 2: And I know it is extending or you know, yeah,

650
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: it's extending right now. Gonzales urgent Is that an urgent

651
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 2: need to do?

652
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 4: And that's up to Gonzales, But my guess is, yes, Camp,

653
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 4: if you don't, it's going up.

654
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a it's urgent because you don't

655
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 5: want to have what happened with Micah Parsons, where like

656
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 5: if you drag your feet on it, then it becomes.

657
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 4: It's a thing all off season.

658
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it becomes I have no knowledge of this.

659
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 4: I have not talked to Christian Gonzalez about this. I

660
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,959
Speaker 4: just want to state that up front, but I just

661
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 4: kind of reading the situation. My guess is he wants

662
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 4: the money, and I think he'll become I don't think

663
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 4: you'll see him at like OTAs and whatnot and things

664
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 4: like that until if he doesn't get an extension.

665
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean now, and you're paying him at the

666
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: high point. I mean, his stock is super high coming

667
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: off that Super Bowl, but it might only get higher

668
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: next year.

669
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 4: So you go all the way back to training camp,

670
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 4: right when he had the hamstring, and then people started

671
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 4: questioning it, right Jesus taking a long time for a hamstring,

672
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 4: And what was the sort of the line of thought was,

673
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 4: he's going to wait until he's fully healthy. So he's

674
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 4: playing his best football down the stretch and putting good

675
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 4: tape out there and then putting himself in a position

676
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 4: to maximize you know, Sauce and Stingley and those guys

677
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 4: they got like was it like four and one twenty Yeah,

678
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 4: something like that.

679
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 3: I think he's going to be going to get more

680
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 3: than that.

681
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 4: He's going to be that if the next if he's

682
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 4: the next one to sign, he's going to be the

683
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 4: highest paid corner in football.

684
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 3: It should be.

685
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it should be.

686
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 4: I mean that's how it works. You know, I'm not

687
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 4: telling you he is the best corner, but he's the

688
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 4: most recent to sign, and when he signs, he's going

689
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 4: to come on.

690
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 5: The short list of the best corners in the league

691
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 5: and young athletic.

692
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 4: Some guys might like sort Tan, some guys might like

693
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 4: Stingley and whoever. You know, But he's in that conversation

694
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 4: and that's how it works. It's the most recent guy

695
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 4: gets the most.

696
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: Gonna have a T shirt with him jumping through the

697
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: air and like, you know, that's what he's gonna wear

698
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: to the facility every day.

699
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 4: I'm a little surprised that you don't have that on

700
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 4: a T shirt. You're dropping the ball, because that was

701
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 4: a great play and a great shot, like great pitches.

702
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: Especially watching I was up in that we were calling

703
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: at the L twenty two view because that was the

704
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: third to last round the stadium. But it was I mean,

705
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: I don't mind watching the game from that high because

706
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: you can see it and it was like, oh crap,

707
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: Like you could see JS and busting loose and then

708
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: Gonzales out of nowhere at the last second.

709
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: Makeup was speedway, And that's what I said about him before.

710
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: It's like, that's where you see his speed. It's not

711
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: it's not the like running with the guys. It's when

712
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: he takes a little bit of a hesitation or he's

713
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: able to make up the distance that's where the speed

714
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: at cornerback really, you know, especially with him trails trail tech.

715
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 5: Actually he's actually bailing.

716
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: But you're gonna have to play js N again next year,

717
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,239
Speaker 1: and this is how the NFL is, and you've got

718
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: a superstar in house. I feel like with their track

719
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: history recently of extending guys, especially you know last year

720
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: when I extend a lot of their own guys, but

721
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: it shows that they value their internal guys. Whereas you

722
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: know Bill's regime, it felt like they were gonna squeeze

723
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: it as long as they possibly could to avoid.

724
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 2: Paying and then it'll be interesting Rabel's philosophy on that

725
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 2: when it comes to the elite contracts.

726
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they Like I don't think Rabel was

727
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 5: sold on Gonzales to start the year, and I think

728
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 5: by questions I know, I think he got sold on.

729
00:31:59,320 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 3: Him at the end.

730
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 2: He's basically said.

731
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 4: That if you listened to about that comment after the

732
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 4: buffet of Baltimore, if.

733
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 5: You listened to him, uh like recent weeks compared to

734
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 5: what it was around the Baltimore game or before that,

735
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 5: the tone changed, Like now he's saying that this is

736
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 5: you know, I saw a different Christian Gonzalez, I saw.

737
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 4: I agree, and I just took it in a different way.

738
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 4: But that's what we'll see. Well, you guys are right.

739
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 5: I probably took it the same way you did, which

740
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 5: is that he didn't think he was playing very well before.

741
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 4: Or very hard.

742
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 5: Yeah right, and now he yeah, but now he's saying

743
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 5: that he flipped a switch.

744
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 4: And now I want to know, does he want to

745
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 4: give one hundred and sixty million dollars to a guy

746
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 4: who plays when he wants, right, that's my that's my fear.

747
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 4: And this is a mic Vrabel thing, not a Paul

748
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 4: Pearl thing. I would pay him.

749
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're gonna have to play Drake next year probably, right?

750
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: Or is that?

751
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 4: Yeah? The same thing?

752
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: So bang bang, I.

753
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 4: Mean, assuming he has a regular third year, like he

754
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,959
Speaker 4: doesn't fall off a cliff or get god forbid injured,

755
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, he's going to be looking at.

756
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: So how can you maximize this last year with Drake

757
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: on his rookie contract?

758
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 5: You know, well, he'll have two more years because the

759
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 5: contract chicken until his fifth season. But yeah, I think

760
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 5: with Gonzales, like my biggest worry early on in the

761
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 5: season was him fitting into a scheme that plays as

762
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 5: much split safety zone as they are playing now, and

763
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 5: I think he got better and better and better at that.

764
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 5: Uh And really he's got much better at playing off

765
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 5: the ball and with his eyes in the backfield versus

766
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 5: just always impressed and always playing man. And like the

767
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 5: Super Bowl is a perfect example of that, because you know,

768
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 5: the big pass breakups weren't weren't really in man except

769
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 5: I think the last one against Cup might have been,

770
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 5: but the first two or his zone schemes, he's playing

771
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 5: off coverage in zone, and he looked like a much

772
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 5: improved player in those types of techniques. So that that's

773
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 5: I think where a lot of this is coming from

774
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 5: with Rabel is the attitude, the play demeanor obviously, but

775
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 5: also just him growing within the system too.

776
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: Fred Fred, I don't know if I tell you discovering

777
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: Hilly's on our TV right now. We of course interviewed

778
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: to or Radio Row. I saw it at the Super

779
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: Bowl pre party and she gave me a hug, and

780
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: I was like, it was the weirdest hug ever, because

781
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: she like I saw her, she recognized me, and like

782
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: it was kind of like this and I'm like looking like,

783
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: am I going to get tackled by like and I'm like,

784
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: am I hugging the Governor? I'm like, h like it was.

785
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: It was super awkward. It was super awkward. But she

786
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: was having a great time, so I was.

787
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 4: It was a little sits looking for security.

788
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: I thought I was going to get tackled by the

789
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: secret like is this cool?

790
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: Is all right?

791
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: Hi governor?

792
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 10: How are you?

793
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: She recognized, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess she had a

794
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 2: great time on our show.

795
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: Awesome, we did have a good time. That's good. That

796
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: was cool. I was really that was good.

797
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 2: That was a good memory from the super Bowl regardless.

798
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: Oh man, so many memories. I just came on my

799
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: phone to my wife and I'm like, here it is

800
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: just go through the pictures because it was one of

801
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: the advice I think Stacey told who was I talking to?

802
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: Is Alex making somebody? Just Stacy said, I've been to

803
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: so many seas, like take a lot of pictures because

804
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: it's it's all going to be a blur. And so

805
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: I tried to do that, and uh no, I was

806
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: just day after I happy with that. Everything.

807
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 4: Fred's anti picture read no time for cameras through.

808
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 5: Your phone, Like when we were at the after party,

809
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 5: I'm a big can I say that post Malone performed?

810
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 5: I'm a big post Malone fan, so I was really

811
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 5: excited for that. And uh, he actually played a lot

812
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 5: of his rap music too, which was great. And it

813
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 5: just the phones that were five hundred phones pointed at

814
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 5: the stage and I was like, I'm just there just

815
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 5: kind of you know, trying to be happy.

816
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: If you're at if you're at something cool like the

817
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: super Bowl or you know, Italy or whatever. Like I'm

818
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 2: all for like taking pictures of what you're seeing so

819
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 2: that you have member. What I don't like is taking

820
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: pictures of yourself at these places, Like what's the point?

821
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: You know?

822
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, Fred's extremely anti.

823
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: I did and I'm not like I just I just

824
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: want little clips. I just like get little clips, little

825
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: picks here and there.

826
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 4: I didn't take a ton, but I do, you know,

827
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 4: and I have I have the scroll. I was showing

828
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 4: Mike a lot of shots from past super Bowl. It's

829
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 4: just like compare well, this was that party there and this.

830
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, the park I went together. You know, it's like

831
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: night after night.

832
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 4: I got to say, these were good ones party, they were.

833
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: Paul was I just have to tell our crew you

834
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: didn't tell Paul was having the time.

835
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the happiest I've ever seen right up until

836
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 3: the game.

837
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did. In all seriousness, it was a great week.

838
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 4: The weather. I think it was the weather. Yeah, I

839
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 4: think the weather really picked me up and gave me

840
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 4: a little rejuvenation.

841
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 5: As soon as as Beth got there too, like the

842
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 5: beaming girl that I was.

843
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it. I was like, who is this person?

844
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: I think I was in bed by eight thirty every night.

845
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: I know you you were fighting it though I was sick.

846
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 4: It just Mike and I just want to give you

847
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 4: an extra special thanks for sitting in between, I said,

848
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 4: radio row Boyeah.

849
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 3: I was in bed at thirty two.

850
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

851
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

852
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 4: Evan evyone was like, you know my son, Like everyone's

853
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 4: getting ready to go out at like ten, Yeah, I was.

854
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 4: I was going to bed.

855
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: The Super Bowl Sunday was the best weather. That day

856
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: was amazing. It was like hot that day. I mean

857
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: I watched most of the Super Bowl and a T

858
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: shirt like it was.

859
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 4: I mean at the pregame tailgate, Mike and I had

860
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 4: to get under the tents a while because the sun

861
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 4: was a little too hot.

862
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: I was dancing a little too hard.

863
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 4: Mike is hugging Mora.

864
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: I'm glad you. I'm glad you.

865
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 4: Had a good well the radio also, that's instruction. A

866
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 4: big part of my enjoyment of it is I you know,

867
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 4: as you know, I love this show. And to do

868
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 4: basically two times three times the amount that we normally do,

869
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 4: I thought was great. The four hours a day, it

870
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 4: was like, this is awesome.

871
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: But he did a great job bringing bringing in his

872
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: and oh.

873
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 3: You should have seen teas after the game.

874
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 4: I had I had a moment.

875
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 1: The Patriots players took the game harder than the How.

876
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 4: Many times have I told you that you'll be surprised

877
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 4: at the postgame party, you'll be the most oppressed guy there,

878
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 4: and that he was a dark player. He really was.

879
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 2: People said that we should have Felger on once a week.

880
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: That was fun. That was fun. I mean, you were

881
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: I mean, and you guys have had that before, right, like.

882
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 4: Oh that was nothing?

883
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: Oh man, well that was that was cordial.

884
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: It's interesting to just see his energy and you know,

885
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: and how it's you know, yeah, he's on.

886
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 4: What did I say to you? Just don't think you're

887
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 4: going to back him into a corner run. I never

888
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 4: would have Suddenly you're.

889
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: Gonna know, Felger, what about this?

890
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 4: You think you think you're.

891
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: Up, Like, no, it's an art form. But he's he's

892
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: he's really good at what he does.

893
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: I mean, we did four hours, we did sixteen hours,

894
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 2: but he does twenty hours a week and he's been

895
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 2: doing it for a sixteen years, every single week.

896
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Speaker 5: I'm not sure he's very good at debating. Yeah, I'm

897
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 5: not sure. I'm going to give him that.

898
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 3: He knows you know what he's talking about.

899
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 2: Oh, that's not the point.

900
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 4: But if you go and alas arguing with him, he

901
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 4: would let you talk. He was just because he's not

902
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 4: that's not what he does.

903
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's that's great. I don't care you'd be.

904
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 5: Like that's I mean, even Steven A conceded to him

905
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 5: on Radio Row and there I saw that interview in there.

906
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 3: He was like, you're really good at this.

907
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. But for him to do that every week for hours,

908
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: which just I mean because we had a lot of

909
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: guests too, that helped us. There were four of us,

910
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: so you know it was you could spread it out

911
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: a little bit then to do that's the takes.

912
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 4: We keep moving around. We change, you know, because every

913
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 4: and Fred's really good at this not blowing smoke up

914
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 4: your behind. But we don't just do the same exact

915
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 4: thing every super Bowl. Like it's kind of you kind

916
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 4: of evolved, like we did this and that worked, and okay,

917
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 4: how can we make that better? We're going to do

918
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 4: this this time. We tried different things. This is something

919
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 4: we never really did before. Radio Row four hours, a

920
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 4: lot of guests, and I think it was a home run.

921
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 4: I would definitely if you know, when we go back

922
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 4: to La next year, Mike and we go to mor

923
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 4: and Burger, let's go, would I would definitely advocate only once.

924
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that was a regret of mine that

925
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Speaker 3: was coming.

926
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Speaker 1: It's a little hard to get to once we changed hotels,

927
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: and I mean we were eating good food every night

928
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: pretty much, so it was you know.

929
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Speaker 3: All right.

930
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Speaker 2: Eight five to five past five hundred is the Hotline

931
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: podcast at Patriots dot Com. Let's hear what you have

932
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 2: to say. We'll start with Danny and Tampa. What's up?

933
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Speaker 4: Danny?

934
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Speaker 11: Hey, what's up crew? How you guys doing today? Okay, okay,

935
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Speaker 11: so I just want to chime in on what you

936
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Speaker 11: guys just said.

937
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Speaker 12: The three first things.

938
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Speaker 11: First, I like the Max Crosby trade, but also the

939
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 11: cons of that. He's projected to take on over thirty

940
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 11: million in cap and right now the Patriots sit under forty,

941
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Speaker 11: so I don't know if I want to do that.

942
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 11: He also has been known the last couple of seasons

943
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Speaker 11: and have some injuries. He's pushing closer to thirty. I

944
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 11: don't know if that'll be a good idea. I like Crosby.

945
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 11: I think it'd be dynamic to get them, but you

946
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 11: have to think about those. The other thing that you

947
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 11: guys said about Christian Zalez, I like Gonzalez too, but

948
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 11: he tends to be like Trent Brown. He likets to

949
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 11: turn and switch on kind of on and off of

950
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 11: play when he wants to play, and I want to

951
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 11: pack the brink up.

952
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 4: I am, yeah, yeah, I just I mean Trent Brown's good, but.

953
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 3: Strong. That's a little strong.

954
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 4: Trent Brown when he turned it on was an average

955
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 4: run of the mill tackle when he turned it on.

956
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 11: You're right, I'll say that.

957
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 4: Christian Gonzales is one of the best three corners in football.

958
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 2: He is.

959
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 11: I think he's just almost as good as Patrick Susan.

960
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 11: But Gonzalez you've seen he was injured his first year,

961
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 11: no fault of his own, and then last year he played,

962
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 11: he balled out, and then this year he's kind of

963
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 11: been up and down. So I don't know if I

964
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 11: want to back the Brinks truckle to a guy that

965
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 11: I would make him play out next coming season and uh,

966
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 11: and you know see how he.

967
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 2: Does then, But what if he holds out?

968
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Speaker 4: These are the ones that I don't. I just don't

969
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 4: understand when you win a right Danny, when the draft

970
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 4: good players and you developed them and they hit and

971
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 4: then you're like, I don't know if I want to back,

972
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 4: Like I don't. The reluctance to spend money on the

973
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 4: part of fans. Now, I totally understand it from Robert

974
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 4: Crafts perspective. It's his money, his money, But yeah, the

975
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 4: fans that don't want to say like yeah, Like, I'll

976
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 4: give you a perfect example. You know who's overpaid on

977
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 4: the Patriots right now? In my view, Milton Williams, do

978
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 4: you have any regrets there? Nope. Twenty six millions a

979
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 4: lot for an interior defensive lineman who you know is

980
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 4: not necessarily going to get your double digit sacks. I

981
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 4: think you could not play any better than Milton Williams did.

982
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 4: I think he's worth every penny that they gave him.

983
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 4: But you know, did you have to give him twenty six?

984
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 4: Probably not, But that's what it costs if you want

985
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 4: to beat Carolina on the on the day of, you know,

986
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 4: the tampering period. That's what it took to pry him away,

987
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 4: and that's what it's going to take to retain Christian Gonzales. Like,

988
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 4: if you want good players, you got to pay him. Yeah.

989
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 5: It's actually you know, because I was tough on Gonzales

990
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 5: at times because I see you hear what Danny is saying.

991
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 5: But you know, he actually allowed a lower completion percentage

992
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 5: into his coverage this year than he did last year, which.

993
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 4: Is which is kind of like, as you guys know

994
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 4: how I feel about Gonzales, I often push back on

995
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 4: you guys about that. Yeah, but I also have eyes.

996
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 4: I watched the talent is right.

997
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,439
Speaker 5: I think at times his his you know, I don't

998
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 5: want to question effort, but like you know, his effort was.

999
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: Maybe a little demeanor.

1000
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, just makes Mike, I would say in

1001
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 5: the run game, you know, like some of the time

1002
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 5: when he was you know, asked to take on blocks

1003
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 5: and stuff like that, but he's one of the best

1004
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 5: player corners in the league by by far, and I

1005
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 5: think that's debatable. And you know, to the Max Crosby

1006
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 5: point too, and like maybe a little bit too caught

1007
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 5: up in the cap, Like if they trade for Max Crosby,

1008
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 5: they'll figure out.

1009
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 3: The money and how to get the money around.

1010
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 5: And there's one thing that I am definitely on Paul's

1011
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 5: side of the street on and that is that the

1012
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 5: cap is fugazi, Like we're.

1013
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 4: The only thing with Max Crosby and I don't care

1014
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 4: about the cap. Yes, you're right, but I think he

1015
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 4: does have a thirty million dollar base salary guaranteed. Yeah,

1016
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 4: so he ain't making less than thirty million this year.

1017
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 4: He's not going to take less than that, you know.

1018
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: I want to ask you guys about that, Nix and

1019
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: I read an article yesterday on NFL dot com talking

1020
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: about the teams that are, you know, probably in the

1021
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: worst finance shape right now. And I'm not doing this

1022
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: as like a blow. I'm generally just interested in like

1023
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: what your response is. Because Buffalo was the second worst

1024
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: in the league of their negative cap stays. They have

1025
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Speaker 1: twenty seven free agents, a lot of impact players, And

1026
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: I was like, well, is this is this when the

1027
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: cap actually does matter?

1028
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 9: You know?

1029
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 4: Is this?

1030
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: Because my answer, are they so you think they can?

1031
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: I think it's the negative cat space.

1032
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,919
Speaker 2: Get back to what about cash overcap? Because they've got

1033
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: that new stadium. Now, I don't know how much the

1034
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: owners on the hook for that.

1035
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 4: That would worry me.

1036
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: Like how much is the out of pocket right thetadium?

1037
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 5: I think he paid for half of it. That would

1038
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 5: work mistaken. That's that's the biggest thing. Is you can

1039
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 5: pay your way out of anything. You just have to

1040
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 5: have the owner that's willing to do it. So all

1041
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 5: these the negotiations and all the contract restructures and all

1042
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 5: that stuff, whether it's adding dummy years or it's you know,

1043
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 5: it's converting salary to signing bonuses or all the different.

1044
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: Tricks, that cash has to be paid.

1045
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 3: The money.

1046
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 4: And that's what because Google might look at and say,

1047
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 4: you know, I just this a big cash outlay for

1048
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 4: this stay in and there's only so much.

1049
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 5: The Saints have been doing it this way for years, right,

1050
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 5: and I understand the Saints aren't like a model franchise

1051
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 5: right now or anything like that.

1052
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 3: But they're always cap compliant. They always find a way.

1053
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 4: I read something ESPN had a I think Jeremy Fowler

1054
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 4: put up all the non playoff teams in different tiers,

1055
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 4: you know, like and they had their cap situation, and

1056
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 4: he actually used it as a positive for the Saints

1057
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 4: that they were only like negative twenty.

1058
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 2: Something because they usually like they're.

1059
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 4: Usually like negative eighty something at this time of year.

1060
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: Now.

1061
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 4: Tevin's point, they haven't been very good the last couple

1062
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 4: of years, but there's always ways around it. The Bills,

1063
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 4: I just they have.

1064
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: And they got I know, and that's that they don't have, right, Like,

1065
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: I mean, they got James Cook, they got Josh Allen

1066
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: at all of her ish, but after that.

1067
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 4: Like you know, so let's talk the AJ Brown thing,

1068
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 4: Like that's a team that should be really going heavy

1069
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 4: after AJ Brown. And you have to hope that he

1070
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 4: has another couple of good years in them because I

1071
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 4: think he's kind of leveled off a little bit. I'm

1072
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 4: not saying he's done, because he's not done. You still

1073
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 4: see he's capable of putting up big games, and what

1074
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 4: would he be with a better, maybe more sophisticated passing game,

1075
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 4: because I don't think they had that last year in

1076
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 4: Philadelphia and with Josh Allen maybe you know, maybe Joe Brady,

1077
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 4: you know, that continuity there.

1078
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 5: I just think that was, you know, the salary cap

1079
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 5: stuff like it. It's important to remember that it's not

1080
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 5: it's not a you don't just divide the years by

1081
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 5: the total value of the contract and that presents you

1082
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 5: a cap number. I think you know, that's like the

1083
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 5: way it is in hockey. Like if a player signs

1084
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 5: in hockey for thus real care right, if the player

1085
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 5: signs in hockey for six for six million a year,

1086
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 5: their cap hit is six million dollars, Whereas in football

1087
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 5: you can there's accounting that you can do the budget, so.

1088
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 4: Makes one million in the first year, and after the

1089
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 4: third year you cut him and you don't have to

1090
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 4: pay the rent like them.

1091
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 5: So if they signed, if they trade for Max Crosby,

1092
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 5: they they're sitting right now at about thirty six million

1093
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 5: dollars in cap space. It's not like you're going to

1094
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Speaker 5: trade for Max Crosby and immediately he's going six million.

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00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 5: Oh right, but it's gonna have they'll figure out a way,

1096
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 5: you know, to be creative.

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Speaker 4: Other guys around. Something giving me with.

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Speaker 1: The bill is probably to your window closed. It's just

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00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: the volume. There's twenty seven free agents and a lot

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00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: of you know, significant players, and so now you're talking

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Speaker 1: about not only rejiggering a bunch of contracts currently on

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Speaker 1: the field, but also having to re sign a lot

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00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: of guys who have been core contributors. So to me,

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00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: it seems like there might be a little bit of

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00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: a youth movement having to reinvest in the draft and

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00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: some of their you know, younger players. Yeah, I don't

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00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 1: know how it all works out. I know that there's

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00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: creative way to do it, but.

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Speaker 4: I just don't think it's an overly talented roster. So

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00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 4: like I think that twenty seven is probably a highly

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00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 4: deceiving number. There's probably a bunch of like Mikole Hardman and.

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Speaker 1: J Yeah, I know there are there are, But it's

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00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: also like the starting center of the starting guard, THENT Milano,

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00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just another one significant.

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Speaker 4: The offensive lineman to me would be, you know, because

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00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 4: they have a good offer the line. I would want

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00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 4: to keep that together. The defense is aging and not

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00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 4: very good, so you have the young corners that you'd

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00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 4: want to keep you know, the Christian Benfords and those.

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Speaker 1: Kinds of guys.

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Speaker 4: You know, Matt Mulano, is it which one is their linebacker?

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00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 4: Terrell Dotson, Bernard Bernard he should be, he's a rookie contract.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's.

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Speaker 5: Well, the thing with the Bills is they're paying Allen now,

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Speaker 5: and so when that happens with the Patriots, then it's

1126
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 5: going to become a little bit more. Yeah, you know,

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00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 5: especially with the way that quarterback contracts are going these days.

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Speaker 3: And Alan's even kind of at a discount.

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Speaker 4: At this point money too. Like Fred's point, like, that's

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Speaker 4: cash it.

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00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: Is, But we saw it with Tom Brady. There's a

1132
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 2: way to use that top contract is sort of equity,

1133
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 2: and you use it almost as a home improvement loan.

1134
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 2: So the player gets more money.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when you know.

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Speaker 2: Up front, but you read rigorous contract to give you

1137
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 2: space for other guys. They did that with Braid at

1138
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 2: least twice, and you know, everyone's saying, oh, Brady's taking

1139
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: this big discount. Every time they did that. He got

1140
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Speaker 2: more money up front.

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00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 3: He also took a big discount.

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00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 4: That it took less. He took, he took less than

1143
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 4: he could have gotten on the open market. But that's right.

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00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 4: They would take his salary and converted to an option

1145
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 4: bonus and he would get it all up front and

1146
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 4: that would allow him to spread it out, and.

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00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 2: That's what he would get the money in the pada.

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00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 3: This is you're right there, not a radio.

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00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 5: If we're being honest about it, they are giving another way.

1150
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 4: I'm not going.

1151
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,479
Speaker 2: There was only a brief moment in his career where

1152
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 2: he was the top paid quarterback in.

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Speaker 4: The which is this is the point I was just

1154
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 4: gonna make. So he could have could have been the best,

1155
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 4: the top paid player every year if he wanted.

1156
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's also with inflation, like these quarterback contracts

1157
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 5: are are ridiculously more money than what we were talking

1158
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 5: about with Tom Brady. And even though the cap has adjusted,

1159
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 5: it's that's still real money that's coming out of the

1160
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 5: owner's pocket when they have to pay Drake May sixty

1161
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 5: five million dollars And it's going to.

1162
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Speaker 4: Be interesting to see how Drake May handles it. That's

1163
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 4: how Tom Brady did, like he didn't have to be

1164
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 4: the highest paid guy. My guess is whenever Drake May

1165
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 4: signs his contract, he's going to be in that stratosphere.

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Speaker 1: But it's but with the other two quarterbacks too drafted

1167
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: ahead of him, how does that all fit together? I

1168
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: mean they're probably staring each other, right, who's right? Who's

1169
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: staring each last?

1170
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Speaker 4: We'll get the most him now and maybe you know,

1171
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 4: one of these veteran guys will make more because these

1172
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,439
Speaker 4: guys will just be three years in, so I don't

1173
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 4: know all the particular numbers from Mahomes and Allen and

1174
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 4: those kinds of.

1175
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 2: Guy, and then whatever they're making, when Mendoza's in his

1176
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 2: fifth year, he'll make more than that.

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Speaker 5: I think it's crazy, Like how much of you know

1178
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 5: those contracts age so well, like Mahomes and Allen I

1179
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 5: think are in the fifties and like that's now jump change,

1180
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 5: Like the Bills and the Chiefs are like super lucky.

1181
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 4: Always tell everybody else is. And that's what happens to

1182
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 4: the contract. Like Tua. The problem with Tua is not

1183
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 4: his contract, it's his ability that left like he's not

1184
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 4: very good anymore, Like Evan's so right, Like no one

1185
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 4: regrets in Kansas City the money that they're paying Patrick

1186
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 4: Mahomes or Josh Allen. These kinds of guys borrow Yeah,

1187
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 4: like Patrick.

1188
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 3: Mahomes only forty five million a year. You regret what

1189
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 3: the franchise tag is.

1190
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 4: You regret paying fifty million to Tua because he's not

1191
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 4: very good, right, you know if he was good and

1192
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 4: people would just say, oh, that's that's that's a good contract.

1193
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 2: Let's go to Nick and Sacramento. Hey, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick? Now, okay, goodbye.

1194
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 2: I didn't want to talk to you either. Anthony's in Seattle. Hey, Anthony, Hey,

1195
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 2: what's up my people?

1196
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 13: Hello?

1197
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 14: Hey guys, what the hell of a season?

1198
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 4: Man?

1199
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 14: Just so ridiculously fruitful. I tried to call in Tuesday,

1200
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 14: couldn't get through. Obviously, everybody have the same thing in

1201
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 14: mind that I did. Just wanted to express the just

1202
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 14: the the the the the appreciation of what we just witnessed.

1203
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 14: I think a lot of people they look at Patriots

1204
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 14: fans as like we only celebrate, you know, Super Bowl

1205
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 14: wins because of all the success of the franchise, and

1206
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 14: they don't realize, like, we've got the ability the real fans,

1207
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 14: the ones who you know are calling in the PU

1208
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 14: and listening to PU and they are actually staying connected

1209
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 14: to the team year round and can actually look at

1210
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 14: it through an objective lens are able to appreciate what

1211
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 14: we just experienced. And you know, listen, I don't want

1212
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 14: to hold things up. I said, you know that I

1213
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 14: called in after the when they sprinted into the late

1214
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 14: buy and I said, this is the twenty twenty five

1215
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 14: Patriots is one of my favorite teams. That has not changed.

1216
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 14: I you know my final goal post that I moved

1217
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 14: when I said, you know you wont fourteen games? Can

1218
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 14: you just beat the Chargers. I won't ask for anything else.

1219
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 14: You know that that hasn't changed. You know, house money.

1220
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 14: I love what they did. And you know what I

1221
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 14: what I would say is, uh, shoot, I left my

1222
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 14: train of thought. You know what I just wanted to.

1223
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 14: I just want to express myself like me, you guys man,

1224
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 14: and uh you know, just a just a just a

1225
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 14: heck of a season. And I'm looking forward to the future.

1226
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 2: All right, Anthony, thank you for the call.

1227
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 4: Keep fighting.

1228
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 2: On the other hand, Nick and Nick and the Poconos

1229
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 2: rights in, He says, I've heard on a few occasions

1230
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 2: that Patriots fans are more intelligent than most fan bases

1231
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 2: because we're engaged and can reference twenty years of winning

1232
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 2: based on some of the fans that I see online

1233
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 2: and some who call into the show. I'm beginning to

1234
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 2: think that many are either stupid or entitled, maybe both, Eldred.

1235
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 2: I enjoy your case, but not every six to five

1236
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 2: receiver who can run fast and a straight line is

1237
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 2: going to be a superstar Christian in La No one

1238
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 2: cares how much money you make, and the majority of

1239
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,240
Speaker 2: your tastes are the dumbest thing I've heard since whatever

1240
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 2: Stephen A. Smith said last to the guy who wants

1241
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 2: to revamp the entire offensive line, please sit down and

1242
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 2: let the grown ups talk. Your phone privileges should be

1243
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,439
Speaker 2: taken away for that take. The overreaction to the Super

1244
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 2: Bowl is ridiculous. This team, in a rebuilding year, went

1245
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 2: four and fourteen and three and made it to the

1246
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. No one besides Taylor Kyle's had them projected

1247
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 2: above nine wins. This is a young team with room

1248
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 2: to grow and a great coaching staff that can build

1249
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 2: off a very successful season. The team is in good hands.

1250
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 2: Settle the f down. Thank you, guys for all you

1251
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 2: do and all the crazy fans you put up with

1252
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 2: every season.

1253
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 3: This is one of those times where being a big homer.

1254
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 5: Actually guys like, hey, he said that out of you know,

1255
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 5: let's be honest, a little bit of fandom.

1256
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 3: And and then he ended up being right.

1257
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: He got a new car for it.

1258
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, did you see that post he had about

1259
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 2: investing in bitcoin? And then he bought this like one

1260
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars Mercedes.

1261
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 4: He was hacked.

1262
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: It was hacked.

1263
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 2: Oh really, I gotta fell for it. It was d

1264
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 2: I was looking for the little acting.

1265
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: It was a DM to me, like he got like,

1266
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: what's this d M? And I look on Twitter and

1267
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, Kyles, I'm like what, Like, I only.

1268
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 2: Said that wasn't real.

1269
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 15: No.

1270
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 5: I texted our group chat and I was like, Taylor,

1271
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 5: you're taking care of this or what?

1272
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 3: And he was like yeah, I only believed.

1273
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: That for a second because he doesn't have a car.

1274
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: So that was why I was like, oh, like, you

1275
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: finally got a car. I get why he's trumping it.

1276
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 2: Things could be worse if he got hacked. He got.

1277
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 3: And I say everything about Taylor Adam love. He's one

1278
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 3: of my good friends.

1279
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 2: Oh that's too bad.

1280
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 3: There's the best.

1281
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: Paul Taylor. I never him, No, no, no, you got.

1282
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 2: Like I wish it was true.

1283
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess is playing this.

1284
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 2: But it didn't strike me as the person who was

1285
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 2: like a bitcoin and no, but you never know what

1286
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 2: people Manad Adams was a great day trader, made a

1287
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 2: lot of money day trading.

1288
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 5: The only thing that he subscribes to his p f

1289
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 5: F Ultimate and the rest of it is just yeah, noise.

1290
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 2: All right, sorry Taylor. Yeah, the Mercedes will come someday.

1291
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 2: All right, We're gonna take a break. We'll be right

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Speaker 2: If you're gonna play the gambo, you gotta learn to

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Speaker 2: play it right.

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Speaker 15: Talk a little bit about the season that you know

1329
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 15: that he's proud of us, and you know, just you know,

1330
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Speaker 15: we had we had a good year. We just didn't

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00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 15: get a dune, not a not a fun way for

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Speaker 15: it to aim. But uh, you know, we we did something.

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Speaker 15: We did some good things and I'm glad we we

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00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 15: woke the city up a little bit. Like sorry, we

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00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 15: couldn't get it done, but you know, well we'll get

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Speaker 15: back to we all know, you.

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Speaker 10: Guys have an undelievable set back to the biggest game.

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00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 10: Dietn't finished the job and obviously the emoctions are still

1339
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 10: robbed like that, but a day later, do you have

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00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 10: a little bit of a different.

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Speaker 7: Perspective on that?

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00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 15: No, I mean really everything I said after the game

1343
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 15: is kind of how I feel part of the team,

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00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 15: prod of part of the guys.

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Speaker 7: Uh and.

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Speaker 15: We'll let it feel this and you know it's uh yeah,

1347
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 15: ten weeks still off, so uh, I'm gonna take some

1348
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 15: It takes some time to relax and breathe a little bit.

1349
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 15: But I mean all seasons really right around the corner

1350
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 15: and get right back to it.

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00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 7: What's like for you on the big stage having such

1352
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 7: a great game.

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00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 4: And I mean I wanted to win.

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00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a champ.

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Speaker 10: So she just putting cool, you know what your contracts,

1356
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 10: she's got to be talked about and tell them how

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00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 10: is that going to play out?

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00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 2: Just how are you thinking.

1359
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 4: About great Stu?

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Speaker 7: I mean I'm not so much.

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00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 15: And there really alt trying to get into into.

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Speaker 7: All of that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know it's kind of more my agents.

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Speaker 15: They'll they'll do with that and and and keep me

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Speaker 15: up the speed on it, you know, coming in too

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Speaker 15: that I just wanted to see the guys.

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Speaker 13: You know, been hanging out with them a couple of time.

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Speaker 15: I mean it's the last time this this full team,

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00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 15: coaching staff, everything that you know, we'll be in the buildings,

1370
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Speaker 15: so you know, focused on that. Just hanging out with

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Speaker 15: you guys one more time today, and you know, my

1372
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 15: agency and Braves and all the will you know, they'll talk.

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Speaker 7: To you on it.

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Speaker 10: But there's no question you want to be here.

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Speaker 15: So yeah, no doubt this this where I got drafted

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Speaker 15: and and I don't want to be any ross how.

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Speaker 4: Much do you know?

1378
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 7: That's all about winning with you?

1379
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 4: But you felt like that was pat uniform.

1380
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not really for me to decide.

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01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 7: Uh yeah, I want to.

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Speaker 15: I mean I want I know I just said it,

1383
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 15: but I really just wanted to win. Wanted to you know,

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Speaker 15: have that yeah, that champion you know, to be able

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Speaker 15: to hold. But you know it's great we're able to

1386
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 15: get there and in three years and in my third year,

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Speaker 15: but you know we'll be batter that's.

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Speaker 8: Just the fans, you know, thegree a lot before.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I appreciate the support.

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Speaker 15: I'm glad we're we're able to give the city some

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01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 15: of the cheer about and uh, you know, proud to

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01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 15: be too, to be a patriots to.

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Speaker 4: Put on for this city.

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01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 5: Are ye, thank you so much, per ship.

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Speaker 19: Before we get started, I just wanted to say, uh,

1396
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,479
Speaker 19: I apologize about the other night not being available to talk.

1397
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 19: Just had a lot of emotions obviously going after tough loss,

1398
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 19: long year, just a lot of.

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Speaker 7: Emotions come with that.

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Speaker 19: I just want to make sure that I have my

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01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 19: head on properly before I said anything.

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01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 7: I didn't want to say anything that.

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01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 19: I didn't need to say, and I know that can happen,

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01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 19: especially with myself, whenever there's emotions involved. So just wanted

1405
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 19: the night to sleep on things. Hopefully y'all can forgive

1406
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 19: me and we can move past it. But I appreciate y'all.

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01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 19: I've enjoyed, you know, this year and look forward to

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Speaker 19: doing it again. So if y'all got a questions to shooting.

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01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 14: How tough was it to end this season the way

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01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:56,919
Speaker 14: you guys?

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01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's not fun. Uh.

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01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 19: You know, you work forward to be in a moment

1413
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 19: like that. Whenever you don't play well enough until you know,

1414
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 19: get it done, it it stems. But you you learn

1415
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 19: and you got to get back to work.

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01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 4: To you guys in this speech.

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Speaker 19: Uh, you know what, we built the foundation, but you

1418
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 19: know we aren't done remodeling. And you know, just you

1419
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 19: know that we did some great things this year. Uh,

1420
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 19: and you know there's obviously a lot of improvement area

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01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 19: for improvement.

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01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 15: Uh.

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Speaker 7: And you know that's helped us to do. You mentioned

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01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 7: the emotions.

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01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 19: Just what types of things we're going through that night

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01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 19: and over the past thirties.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you know, the Super Bowl is a busy

1428
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 7: game in sports. Uh.

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01:02:55,440 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 19: You know, so whenever you use that, it's not easy.

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01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 19: So yeah, just disappointed.

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01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 4: What do you learn from it?

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01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 19: I mean I think you learn a lot just from

1433
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 19: you know, not even just his name. You know, from

1434
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 19: the season, you understand what it takes to get there. Now,

1435
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 19: I think that's a big thing is you've got a

1436
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 19: bunch of young dudes who have seen what it takes.

1437
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 19: You understand how hard it is to get there. So

1438
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 19: I think that'll be good for us. You know, you

1439
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 19: just learned that. You know, your best football has to

1440
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 19: be played when it's needed, and you know we didn't

1441
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 19: do that and we can't change it now, but we

1442
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 19: can learn from it.

1443
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 8: I know you don't give a bleep about social media

1444
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 8: what have you, but there's a lot of people out there,

1445
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 8: but there's a lot of also a lot of current

1446
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 8: players in the game tackles and what have you, in

1447
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 8: the future Hall of famers talking about you, saying, hey,

1448
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 8: back off a little bit.

1449
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 2: Let the kid learn.

1450
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 7: He'll get better and better.

1451
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 19: Yeah, I mean it comes with the job when you

1452
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 19: don't perform. Obviously, I was tick high paid a lot,

1453
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 19: so people expect a certain thing, and I expect more

1454
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 19: of myself. So whenever I don't perform, I don't expect,

1455
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 19: you know, everyone to be like, it's okay, buddy. I mean,

1456
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 19: obviously it sucks, but it doesn't suck for anyone more

1457
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 19: than it sucks for me.

1458
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 14: What are some of the messages your teammates and maybe said?

1459
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 7: Do you lost live in traffic?

1460
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 10: Yell?

1461
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 19: I mean it's well, you know, I have a lot

1462
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 19: of great veterans, but everyone could have done more with

1463
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 19: I think that's something we all talked to each other about.

1464
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 19: It was never a point in the finger that anyone got.

1465
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 19: I think it's just you know, how can we learn

1466
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 19: from it? How can we get better?

1467
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 7: And yeah, will exp from cooling off.

1468
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 20: What's the difference between a guy who is in the

1469
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 20: locker room after the game in the one Now, what

1470
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 20: perspective have you give.

1471
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 19: Up the game?

1472
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1473
01:04:56,520 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 19: I mean, I'm I'm not gonna give an these sound

1474
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 19: bites today, but you know, uh, the guy in the

1475
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 19: locker room is a young man who has a lot

1476
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 19: of emotions, who probably doesn't care what he says.

1477
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 7: Uh uh.

1478
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 19: I don't think the best way to say this when

1479
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 19: I when I get emotional and I have no mind,

1480
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 19: and that's not the way that I need to approach

1481
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 19: this thing. And like I said, I know myself and

1482
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 19: if I would have spoken after, I would have said

1483
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 19: home that I didn't need to say so I slept

1484
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 19: on it.

1485
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 7: I watched it. I know what I gotta get better

1486
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 7: at and move on. When you when you watched it,

1487
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 7: what what do you need to get better at it? Yeah?

1488
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 19: I mean, I don't think one performance defines a season.

1489
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 19: I think I did some good things this year. Obviously,

1490
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 19: there's room for growth in every aspect of my game.

1491
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 19: I'm twenty two years old. I have a lot of

1492
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 19: room for growth in every aspect as a player, as

1493
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 19: a leader, whether that's strength and conditioning, passportation, roun blocking,

1494
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 19: whatever it might be. I have growth for every everywhere.

1495
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 19: I'm young, I'm learning. I got a great coaching staff

1496
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 19: around me. I got great veterans around me, so I'm

1497
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 19: grateful for that, and I'll be ready to go when

1498
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 19: we get better.

1499
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 20: I imagine this was fun, But you're the only one

1500
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 20: who knows the answer of what it was like rewatching

1501
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 20: that game, assuming that was yesterday, What was that.

1502
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 17: Like for you?

1503
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 19: Damn? I mean, we didn't deserve to win the way

1504
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 19: we played on offense. Our defense played played well. I mean,

1505
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 19: Gonzo played outstanding. Our defense players enough for us to

1506
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 19: win the game, and we didn't help them. So you know,

1507
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 19: it sucks to go into the off season and have

1508
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 19: this much off time. Uh, with that chaste in her mouth.

1509
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 19: But I think I think it will feel some guys

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01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 19: me included to you know, from it, get better and get.

1511
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 7: Ready to go with you.

1512
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 4: And now great moments in.

1513
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 7: History.

1514
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 3: You girl talking about what's the what's the update?

1515
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 4: What's the update?

1516
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: Diana?

1517
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 4: Let me you know, we should probably take a break

1518
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 4: so we can hear this breaking news. Her talking about

1519
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 4: Doug Marron's job.

1520
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:37,959
Speaker 3: Right, like her jumpsuit, she looks good.

1521
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 2: I'm glad, oh, Brian, I'm glad we have female representation.

1522
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 4: Furthering women in sports for generations to come.

1523
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 2: Like a jumpsuit.

1524
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 8: That's another great moment from well.

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01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 2: Football season maybe over, but there's plenty of time to

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Speaker 2: you know that's coming up. Skip the phony holiday sales

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Speaker 2: and shop Bob's everyday low prices so you can get

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Speaker 2: stylish dining sets with more Bobble pede comfort, and top

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Speaker 2: rated mattresses with more years on that precious warranty, all

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Speaker 2: for hundreds less than the competition. Brilliant, So stop in

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Speaker 2: or shop online and get more for less with Bob's

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Speaker 2: Discount Furniture, the official furniture store of the New England Patriots.

1535
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 2: So and also a reminder always to get your errands

1536
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 2: snowblower because you never know when the next storm probably

1537
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 2: coming around the corner. Make sure you're ready so you

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01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 2: can clear the snow and get back inside to cheer

1539
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:55,720
Speaker 2: on your New England Patriots. See this is an outdated read.

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01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 2: Aaron's is proud to be the official snow blower of

1541
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 2: the New England Patriots. Visit aarons dot com to find

1542
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 2: your errands. I've heard a lot of people they call

1543
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 2: them snow throwers now instead of snow blowers. Have you

1544
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 2: heard that.

1545
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 3: Throw more acceptable?

1546
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,639
Speaker 4: I thought there were different things. But maybe, oh really,

1547
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:17,679
Speaker 4: maybe not. I don't know.

1548
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 2: Maybe well maybe when they're talking about that, I thought

1549
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:21,560
Speaker 2: they were talking about snowblowers.

1550
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know that one.

1551
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 2: We'll have to ask Maserati.

1552
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:26,639
Speaker 1: He's the expert.

1553
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, talk about videos and whatnot.

1554
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, excuse me, but he's not hacked. He does

1555
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 2: it on purpose. That that's that is wild. So tailor

1556
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:37,759
Speaker 2: good hacked.

1557
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:38,639
Speaker 3: Huh he did?

1558
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 2: That is too bad?

1559
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:40,799
Speaker 3: It does seem I was.

1560
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, I was jealous. I was like, man,

1561
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 2: I should have invested in bitcoin. I was going to

1562
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 2: give yourself one hundred.

1563
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 3: But as soon as I saw the car, I was like,

1564
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 3: this can't be.

1565
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 1: Isn't bitcoin doing really bad?

1566
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 2: Right now?

1567
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 1: I thought, this is well, it.

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01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 2: Depends on when you got out, you know, like people

1569
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 2: made a lot of money on crypto and people lost

1570
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 2: a lot of money on Yeah, it's kind of all right.

1571
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 2: Back to the phones, Nick and Connecticut. We could hear you.

1572
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 2: I guess we can't Nick, Nick in Connecticut class started Nate.

1573
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 2: Maybe that's why he didn't answer.

1574
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 1: It's not me.

1575
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:25,759
Speaker 2: Uh, SPE's it fresh? Now? What's up, speed Brad?

1576
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 21: Those were great reads, especially the Bob's one.

1577
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 4: Good Energy.

1578
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 2: Good Energy, but listen, you got to bring it for

1579
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 2: your sponsors.

1580
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 21: Hell yeah. Also that mob jumpsuit thing, it's prett hilarious.

1581
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 21: I love them. I like the fact that Dead Drake

1582
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 21: gets all these playoffs maps, you know, the racking up

1583
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,640
Speaker 21: the experience and kind of getting a sense of what

1584
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 21: it takes to win in the playoffs. But I got

1585
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 21: that lingering question.

1586
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 5: And we talked about during the.

1587
01:10:56,200 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 21: Regular season about the clutch Jeens thing, and I so

1588
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 21: badly want to understand how injured he was, like how

1589
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,640
Speaker 21: much that contributed to the lackluster postseason as opposed to

1590
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 21: just not rise into the occasion regardless of the offensive line.

1591
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 21: I mean, I don't think that Brick rose the occasion

1592
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 21: and it was that knock on him coming out of college.

1593
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 22: Why did he win more?

1594
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 21: I just think that this question of whether he has

1595
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 21: a clutch gene is primary unknown for the whole team

1596
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 21: going forward. I don't know if you guys, I don't

1597
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 21: know if you got how you guys stand on that now?

1598
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 21: Are you still uncertain whether he's got it? Or are

1599
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 21: you certain one way or the other? Just wanted to

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01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 21: check it on that.

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01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 2: I think it's fair to say it's still unanswered incomplete.

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01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 5: I think he just to me looked like a guy

1603
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 5: that lost a lot of his confidence because he was

1604
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 5: getting beaten down by good defenses.

1605
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 3: And I just one of the things.

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01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 5: That I've been thinking about, along with what Josh McDaniels

1607
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 5: was doing and the Super Bowl, is like he in

1608
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:58,679
Speaker 5: the regular season, he was playing with like no fear

1609
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:02,839
Speaker 5: in terms of like testing downfield windows, moving around the pocket,

1610
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 5: you know, the skipping rips and all these.

1611
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 3: Difference make it look easy, yeah, that he was doing.

1612
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 5: And like even though the windows are probably tighter and

1613
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 5: closed faster and all that stuff against these better defenses,

1614
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 5: Like he was just ripping throws in the regular season

1615
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 5: with no fear of turning the ball over or going

1616
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 5: sideways or anything like that. And I just felt like

1617
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:27,480
Speaker 5: he got so careful and so calculated in the postseason

1618
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 5: that I don't know if that's the way that he's

1619
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 5: able to play. Like, I think he needs to play

1620
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 5: with a little bit of that gunslinger, reckless abandon and yeah,

1621
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 5: that might lead to some turnovers, but probably the fumbles

1622
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 5: is what ultimately got in his head a little bit.

1623
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,599
Speaker 5: And it just to me that it's more that than

1624
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 5: does he have it or is he clutch or like

1625
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 5: all that kind of like intangible or it.

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01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 2: Could be that it was actually easy for him in

1627
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 2: the regular season and partly maybe because of who he

1628
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 2: was playing, and when things got a little tougher, He's

1629
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 2: not quite ready to deal with that yet. He's not

1630
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 2: a finished product yet.

1631
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I know this is not how you want

1632
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:05,719
Speaker 3: to live.

1633
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 5: But like the throw on the incut to Matt Collins

1634
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 5: in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl was probably

1635
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:13,679
Speaker 5: the best throw either quarterback made in the entire game.

1636
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 5: You know, those types of throws were the types of

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01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 5: throws he was going to have to make against that

1638
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 5: kind of defense, and it took them being down nineteen

1639
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 5: to nothing in the fourth quarter when the game kind

1640
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 5: of was.

1641
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 2: Right But also what was the other team doing at

1642
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:27,679
Speaker 2: that point?

1643
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 4: Right?

1644
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 3: Well, that's what I'm either way, you know.

1645
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 5: But like the point I'm getting at is is like

1646
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 5: he was playing with that kind of confidence and that

1647
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:38,599
Speaker 5: sort of just bravado that he could fit the ball

1648
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 5: anywhere into any window at any time, and then as

1649
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 5: the playoffs kind of progressed, he sort of lost that

1650
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:47,879
Speaker 5: and I think that was a big He looked gun shy.

1651
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, And I don't know if it's vr,

1652
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 2: but to me, he's got all the talent. So that,

1653
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 2: to me, that's in the bank. If you're a Patriots fan,

1654
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 2: you can be sure that we have a quarterback who

1655
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 2: could make all the throws and he's got the legs.

1656
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 2: What we not quite sure yet is upstairs, like how

1657
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 2: good is he going to be in those most critical moments.

1658
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 2: How good is he going to be when the pressure

1659
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 2: on him is the highest And I'm talking about you know,

1660
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 2: defensive pressure. We don't know that and it's hard to

1661
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 2: You can't really prepare for that in the off season,

1662
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:26,760
Speaker 2: right Like you can knock about it and simulate it

1663
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,719
Speaker 2: if a little bit, but it's not the same as

1664
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 2: being in regular in real games.

1665
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 1: And he didn't really play a lot of big games

1666
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 1: in college either. I mean, yeah, you know, I think

1667
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 1: we're somewhat the view is distorted because you saw Tom

1668
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,719
Speaker 1: Brady and Patrick Mahomes have you know, been the most

1669
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 1: recent quarterbacks to do this, and they kind of came

1670
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 1: right in the league and took it by storm right

1671
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 1: out of the gate. You know, maybe a guy like

1672
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts who went to a Super Bowl didn't win it.

1673
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 5: I mean, Jessicaubbard still doesn't want to playoffs, right and

1674
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 5: people are consider him to be one of the more

1675
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 5: talented quarterbacks in the league.

1676
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:03,440
Speaker 4: But a choker, that's what that's it. That's his mentality.

1677
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 1: I mean, that's his becoming thing.

1678
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 4: That's his story right now, and he's got to do it.

1679
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 4: And this is going to be another one of those.

1680
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:12,719
Speaker 4: No one's going to really pay much attention to him

1681
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 4: next season until he does it in the playoffs, you know,

1682
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:18,440
Speaker 4: until in the less.

1683
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:21,679
Speaker 5: I just I just wonder, how do you get Drake

1684
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 5: May to play with the same confidence and the same

1685
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 5: just the free mentality of like the arrogance if I

1686
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:32,679
Speaker 5: can just make any throw anywhere anytime that he played

1687
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 5: in the regular season with like, how do they get

1688
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:37,679
Speaker 5: that out of him playoffs experience?

1689
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 2: It is experienced.

1690
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 1: So many of callers said that, and that's you know,

1691
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 1: seeing him go through these games. And I saw a

1692
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 1: terrible tape from EI that they would have rather not

1693
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 1: made it to the super Bowl. But you know, to

1694
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 1: be able to have go into a super Bowl and

1695
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 1: understand what that's like and all the pressures and how

1696
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 1: different it is.

1697
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 4: I'm intrigued by this.

1698
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:54,560
Speaker 1: I don't even know which one it was. It was

1699
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 1: one of the people behind him.

1700
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 5: I say this all like you would you because it's

1701
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 5: hard break, you know, to make it all the way

1702
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:02,719
Speaker 5: to the super Bowl and lose.

1703
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I think if it was like

1704
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 3: an actual take, then that's I.

1705
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 2: Think it was fits. I mean, I didn't I don't know,

1706
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:15,799
Speaker 2: but I think it was something he was posing.

1707
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 4: There was a line of thought that they would rather

1708
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 4: have lost earlier in the playoffs than in the super Bowl.

1709
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 4: That just doesn't mean. It's like another one of my

1710
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 4: favorite punching bags. And I love him and I tell

1711
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 4: him every time when I'm dumping on them Ben Vollen, Right,

1712
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 4: his big thing was always like, well, Montana was four

1713
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 4: and oh in the super Bowls, and you know Brady's

1714
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 4: got Yeah, Brady's better, Brady's more the Brady's record in

1715
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 4: the super Bowl is more impressive. Seven and three is

1716
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 4: better than four and oh. Because what he never ever

1717
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 4: alludes to is let's do all the playoff rounds. So

1718
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 4: you're telling me it's better to lose in the Wildcoud

1719
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:58,639
Speaker 4: round or the divisional round than the super Bowl?

1720
01:16:59,120 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 7: Right?

1721
01:16:59,400 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 4: How was that?

1722
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 10: Right?

1723
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 3: Rather you lose than like the silver medalists, which doesn't

1724
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 3: makes no sense.

1725
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 4: Right'd rather not metal then then come and be the

1726
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 4: runner up. It's just I never understand that mentality and

1727
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 4: this whole like, you know, because it broke our heart,

1728
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 4: like it's not about you bro gots, like thank god.

1729
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 1: And that's what you hope. I mean everything we said

1730
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 1: and Evin said about his performance in the Super Bowl.

1731
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 1: Study that look at that, look at the contrast between

1732
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 1: when you were just you know, I forget what game

1733
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 1: they were playing. Somebody said, he's almost too comfortable back there.

1734
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 1: Maybe it's the Chargers playoff games. One of the defensive

1735
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 1: lineman pass rushers said, he made is almost too comfortable,

1736
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 1: and like, well, that's a bad thing, you know, but

1737
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: this point, you know, it got to be.

1738
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 4: And that's what the sacks pile up and the fumbling.

1739
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 4: When he talked about the fumbles, you know, twenty one

1740
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 4: sacks and what seven fumbles. Yeah, that's probably at least

1741
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 4: partially due to him being a little bit too comfortable.

1742
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 1: And then yeah, I think it.

1743
01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 4: Then it then snowball, but he started getting hit. I

1744
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 4: agree with that, and you could see it.

1745
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 5: I just don't think that he had the same you know.

1746
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:05,680
Speaker 5: One of the words that I phrases I loved with

1747
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 5: Drake May when he's on a people call him Rogan

1748
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:11,599
Speaker 5: like he's like he literally thinks that he can fit

1749
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 5: the ball into any window at any time. And that's

1750
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 5: the type of way that he has to.

1751
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 2: Play and out run any defense.

1752
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, because I.

1753
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 5: Think he needs to play with that mentality that I'm

1754
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 5: Superman and like, yeah, they are a great defense, but

1755
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 5: I'm better. And at once the playoffs rolled around and

1756
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:29,600
Speaker 5: he was getting beaten down by Houston and Denver, and

1757
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 5: he almost is like the doubt like started to creep

1758
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 5: into his head that maybe I'm not better than these.

1759
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 4: Let me ask just one one thing you guys about

1760
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 4: Let me ask use guys, uh use guys. He has

1761
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 4: often made the comment about not wanting to be a

1762
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 4: checkdown Charlie, and I think we all agree that we

1763
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 4: like that because we like the big playability. But does

1764
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 4: he need to be a little bit more of the

1765
01:18:56,000 --> 01:19:00,680
Speaker 4: check down Charlie. At times the tirike about, yeah, if.

1766
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 3: They had checked downs for him to throw the ball.

1767
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 4: Okay, I didn't mean to trigger you. I'm all of

1768
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 4: a sudden He's just not going to be on Josh's

1769
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:13,040
Speaker 4: Christmas card list. But the reason I say it is

1770
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:17,560
Speaker 4: all the talk about sort of big play dependent and

1771
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 4: you know, I think there was a line there, like

1772
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 4: in November ish where the big plays kind of tailed off,

1773
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 4: and then in the playoffs, you know, there was very

1774
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 4: very few exceptions they kind of went away. Is that

1775
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 4: maybe why, like they're constantly looking for it. Teams have

1776
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 4: known that, and you know, it's a little harder to

1777
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 4: do it.

1778
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 13: Well.

1779
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 5: I mean, they certainly saw a lot of split safety,

1780
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:45,679
Speaker 5: you know, and they're going to keep seeing that throughout,

1781
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 5: I think his entire career. And you know, they're cloud

1782
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 5: in the field, so they're putting a safety over the

1783
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 5: top of you know, the three receiver side. Usually they're

1784
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 5: you know, three by one traditional dropbacks, and they were

1785
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 5: doing that all all playoffs and I remember, I want

1786
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 5: to say it was after the Texans game, he said

1787
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:06,559
Speaker 5: that they played cloud, which you know, corner underneath safety

1788
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 5: over the top like a little bit more than they

1789
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 5: were expecting, and they're just not going to give him

1790
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 5: the deep ball.

1791
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 3: You know, these defenses are in the playoffs.

1792
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 5: Are when they answer when they go to game plan,

1793
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 5: and they're going to say that two things that were

1794
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 5: going to take away are his legs and the deep ball,

1795
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 5: you know, like that that's it. We're going to turn

1796
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 5: him into Brady Like he's gonna have to be precise

1797
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 5: and he's.

1798
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 1: Got to be hard and yeah, and that's what the

1799
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 1: opposite was. I feel like with like the twenty ten

1800
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 1: to twenty eleven Patriots when Rex Ryan started doing all

1801
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 1: that stuff to take the short stuff away and they

1802
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 1: just couldn't.

1803
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 4: I mean, then over the top and slammed down.

1804
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 1: You got we're done.

1805
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 4: But Danny would drive two.

1806
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 1: Of Drake that sheltered or innocent is the right word.

1807
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 1: But you know, it's just grew up in North Carolina,

1808
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 1: married his girlfriend. You know, it's like this is the

1809
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 1: first time where he got his ass handed to him

1810
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 1: by a bunch of dudes, you know, like, and I

1811
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 1: can't help but think that.

1812
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 5: I mean defense a little bit dude to but yeah, yeah, day,

1813
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 5: I want to say it's organ in the one of

1814
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 5: the big Bowl games he played in his sophomore season.

1815
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:09,760
Speaker 4: Then did he play bow knicks and.

1816
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 3: They got whooped.

1817
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, but I hear you.

1818
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:16,680
Speaker 3: It's it's the first time by grown men.

1819
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 1: It's a maturity process too, you know. And that's I

1820
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 1: think sometimes we get carried away. Going back to the

1821
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 1: Brady Mahomes, is that guys come out and do it

1822
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 1: right away, and you think, oh, they don't do it

1823
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 1: right away, they're not going to do it. But some

1824
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 1: guys are young. They need to get their ass handed

1825
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 1: them a couple of times and you know, start to

1826
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 1: toughen up and start to understand how I have to

1827
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 1: beat these teams and really to me the resilience that

1828
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 1: you're going to have to have in these games. Because

1829
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:39,560
Speaker 1: as much as he got killed in that game, I

1830
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 1: think we all know if we felt like Tom Brady

1831
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 1: was out there, we'd be like, oh man, they're going

1832
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 1: to make a run, Like this isn't enough for Seattle.

1833
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 1: Sale's got to do more. Brady's going to figure it

1834
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 1: out at some point. You've got to get to that

1835
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 1: point with Drake Man.

1836
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 4: That's probably the best thing that I saw Sunday from

1837
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 4: Drake May was his yeah that's touchdown. Well, not necessarily

1838
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 4: any because I'm with fred I you know, I I

1839
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 4: think there was a little bit of game game scenario

1840
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:06,600
Speaker 4: that allowed them to get some offense going. But he

1841
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 4: easily could have stayed down on one of those hits

1842
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 4: and said, you know what, this ain't my day. He

1843
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:15,719
Speaker 4: kept he kept at it, you know, he kept fighting.

1844
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 4: I do think he showed some signs and I think

1845
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 4: Rabel was on him. Yeah, it was like a clip.

1846
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 4: I don't know if you saw about you know, to

1847
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 4: pick your head up, you know, you know, look at

1848
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 4: look at me or something like that. You know, there

1849
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 4: was some cajoling along the way, but that was the

1850
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 4: best thing to me that came out of Drake may Is.

1851
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:38,000
Speaker 4: Yeah he kept he kept fighting. Yeah he kept at it.

1852
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,759
Speaker 4: And you know, to answer SPIE's original question that started

1853
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 4: all of this, we don't know yet, but I don't

1854
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 4: feel like at twenty three, I'm not overly concerned about

1855
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 4: anything yet.

1856
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 1: He's got all the tools yet. And I love Rabel

1857
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 1: being the coach for this. Like Rabel is one of

1858
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,920
Speaker 1: those dudes. Rabel was that guy, like the Seattle defense

1859
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:01,720
Speaker 1: that was torture Kurt Warner and Jake Diloan in the

1860
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. So you hope that they said a lot

1861
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks take on the personality their head coach, Like

1862
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 1: I hope some of that rubs off on Brabel because

1863
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 1: Vrabel is a tough guy and he knows what it

1864
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 1: takes to win those games.

1865
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 2: James Pettigrew, the most interesting Patriots fan in the world,

1866
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 2: has some blame that he wants to, you know, me

1867
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 2: distribute accusingly assignment for blame for the Super Bowl loss.

1868
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 2: Fans two point five percent me wore the wrong T

1869
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 2: shirt shows the unfiltered te over a dark blue forty

1870
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 2: seven brand tea. Others may have made this mistake too.

1871
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 2: Two point five percent Christian in LA and five percent

1872
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 2: all other fans, the PFW crew zero percent Paul and

1873
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 2: Fred that's self explanatory. Five percent Mike will talk in

1874
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 2: person with Mike about this in the jungle believe five

1875
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 2: percent Alex too much smiling during the week in day

1876
01:23:56,920 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 2: of Super Bowl not locked in ten percent Evan distracting

1877
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 2: Drake all season with locker room loitering. You're a lingerer,

1878
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 2: Evan twenty percent Tom Brady ten percent she who shall

1879
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:11,639
Speaker 2: not be named. We all know who I'm talking about.

1880
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 2: Twenty percent NFL Goodell probably seven point five percent NFL

1881
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 2: and twelve point five percent Goodell and then the team

1882
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 2: five percent Verybo five percent Drake, five percent Josh and

1883
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:23,520
Speaker 2: five percent analytics.

1884
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:26,640
Speaker 1: Analy It sounds accurate. I'm looking forward to that.

1885
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,600
Speaker 2: Uh oh, that's the only one he he you know

1886
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 2: has issue well because they analytics, so I don't know

1887
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 2: what analytic they punted on fourth and one.

1888
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 3: They screwed up the two point conversion analytics.

1889
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 2: Another listener on Listener Crime christ New Hampshire with christ

1890
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:45,559
Speaker 2: New Hampshire says, thank the Lord that these callers are

1891
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 2: not anywhere near the team. They should be making toast

1892
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 2: or are digging ditches somewhere that's more their speed. Someone

1893
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 2: called in Tuesday wanting to sign four starting caliber tackles

1894
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:59,639
Speaker 2: for camp battles. Yeah, me too, That's totally possible.

1895
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 1: None of these.

1896
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 2: Let's be polite and call them people ever say or

1897
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 2: who or how? They just want to use magic. Now

1898
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 2: what did I hear that we shouldn't extend Gonzales? I

1899
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 2: have my criticism of Wolf, but he's Socrates, Plato, Aristotle,

1900
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 2: Einstein compared to the adult mouth breathers that chime in.

1901
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 2: I hate fans more than Paul Wow. Wow Wow.

1902
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 4: I'm not sure you do. I want to defend the

1903
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 4: offensive line guy for Tuesday. I think his suggestion was

1904
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 4: to provide some competition for Will Cambellish. I don't think

1905
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 4: he said we need to sign four attack you know, Like,

1906
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:37,640
Speaker 4: I know the guy's exaggerating for an effect, but I

1907
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 4: don't think it's a ridiculous mindset to say maybe he

1908
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 4: needs to be pushed a little bit. You know, I'm

1909
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 4: not telling you that you know right, wrong or indifferent. Now,

1910
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 4: the point is the same. It's hard to do that. Yeah, Like,

1911
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 4: way do you get a guy that's good enough to push?

1912
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:55,560
Speaker 7: You know?

1913
01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 3: I just think and look, they had it wasn't just

1914
01:25:59,400 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 3: this game.

1915
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 5: It was a rough playoff run for the offense, and

1916
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 5: the offensive line shares the responsibility of that blame. But

1917
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 5: I've seen a lot of you know, how do the

1918
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:13,800
Speaker 5: Patriots fix the offensive line this offseason? And that to

1919
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 5: me kind of makes it sound like they need to

1920
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 5: overhaul the offensive line when I really think it's probably

1921
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:22,599
Speaker 5: like a few tweaks you know here or there, maybe

1922
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 5: sign one starter to be a left guard and then

1923
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 5: you move Wilson to center and you know that sort

1924
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 5: of thing. The other thing I would just say, and

1925
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 5: this is probably just a me thing. You know, a

1926
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:35,800
Speaker 5: week ago before the Super Bowl, we're talking, oh where

1927
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:37,519
Speaker 5: did they go to dinner? You know this week, and

1928
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 5: we're all, you know, a pants up for how much

1929
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:42,720
Speaker 5: better the offensive line has played all year? And then

1930
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 5: they get their butts kicked in the Super Bowl by

1931
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:48,040
Speaker 5: a really good Seattle defensive front and now all five

1932
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 5: of them need to go.

1933
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 4: And it's just like you can do that stuff on

1934
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 4: your time. But I don't get into the Shirley Temple

1935
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 4: like it.

1936
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 5: Just that part of it to me is like, okay,

1937
01:26:57,560 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 5: well a week ago before they played in the Super Bowl,

1938
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 5: the line was fine.

1939
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 3: Kicked and now it's not.

1940
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 1: Fine on the Patriots this week.

1941
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:09,679
Speaker 2: That's how it goes, all right, Eldred in North Carolina

1942
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:12,719
Speaker 2: is on the line. Eldrid, you've been catching some shrapnel today.

1943
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 9: Well, hey, I love to throw back too because I

1944
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 9: am a fighter.

1945
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:19,599
Speaker 2: Either way, it goes okay, all right.

1946
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:20,479
Speaker 14: So how you do it?

1947
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 9: Fred? I mean, Evan, I want to give you an

1948
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:30,760
Speaker 9: apology and Tuesday, You're right, this is some more people. Look,

1949
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 9: maybe Joshua did a little bit more, but maybe not,

1950
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 9: and I will give you that. But going with Drake,

1951
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:40,800
Speaker 9: he's our quarterback. He's young, and that was a knock

1952
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 9: in North Carolina against better defense and a team like

1953
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:48,560
Speaker 9: when they played Florida State, North New Mexico, Oregon, like

1954
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 9: you said, and also Clemson, So that was to knock.

1955
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 9: But he was young. Young. Now he'll get it, and

1956
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:57,760
Speaker 9: like I said, we just gotta go with it, you know.

1957
01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 9: But far as anybody else wide receiver, and I keep

1958
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 9: throwing up, Well, first, we're not gonna move up and

1959
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 9: get Carnio.

1960
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 2: Take.

1961
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:10,640
Speaker 9: You're not gonna get the guy from Arizona State. But

1962
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 9: the guy kept saying he's in the top five in

1963
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:16,320
Speaker 9: all the lists, and he runs route six five and

1964
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 9: he takes the top off. It's the true Eggs even

1965
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:23,600
Speaker 9: though he played for Tennessee. He's not throwing. Okay, so

1966
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 9: you take that off. That's Chris Boselli.

1967
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 2: Let the suck it, okay, and we.

1968
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:31,599
Speaker 9: Can get him because he goes in the top suck it. Oh,

1969
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 9: we can get mem at thirty first, but no Drable.

1970
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 9: Hes gonna get an edge rusher, which would be even better.

1971
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 6: And I let it go.

1972
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 2: It all right, So thanks Eldred.

1973
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:42,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, we were picking on Aldrid yesterday because he the tall,

1974
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:44,679
Speaker 5: fast wide receiver is his favorite.

1975
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:46,680
Speaker 4: But I think it's great that the guy called him

1976
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 4: and we don't need Elegerent. Not every sixty five wide

1977
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:52,599
Speaker 4: receiver who runs fast in the straight line is gonna

1978
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 4: be good.

1979
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:57,559
Speaker 2: Five four to four.

1980
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:00,439
Speaker 5: Yes, he called it the catch one to at the

1981
01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 5: same take, and Alex yesterday was like, Evan, this is

1982
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 5: you know this year is Dante Thornton.

1983
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, okay, so Eldred's guy I got,

1984
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 3: I got it.

1985
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 2: You know, he mentioned Drake and being young and not

1986
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,920
Speaker 2: winning big games against better teams. One thing that Drake

1987
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:22,640
Speaker 2: said on Tuesday that I don't know, maybe people are

1988
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:24,639
Speaker 2: talking about it. I haven't heard, but something that kind

1989
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 2: of struck me is he was saying how he's looking

1990
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 2: forward to next year being in the same offense. Yeah.

1991
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 5: I was like, I was just about to bring that

1992
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:36,320
Speaker 5: up because I think, to me, the part the next

1993
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 5: step for him is like the line of scrimmage stuff.

1994
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:41,639
Speaker 5: And I think in this game, like I can't tell

1995
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:44,519
Speaker 5: you because I'm not I'm not on the staff, I'm

1996
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 5: not in the room, but like how much were Seattle's

1997
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 5: blitz is creeping up on them because he's not seeing

1998
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 5: it pre snap and he's not making the right adjustments

1999
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 5: and he's not checking them in and out of bad

2000
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:57,880
Speaker 5: plays and like all that different kind of stuff. And

2001
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:00,760
Speaker 5: that's really really hard to do as twenty three year

2002
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:03,040
Speaker 5: old in the first year in the system. So as

2003
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:05,519
Speaker 5: he grows in the system, hopefully, you know, he gets

2004
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 5: better at those different types of things where he can signal, hey, Pop,

2005
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:11,680
Speaker 5: you know we're going hot, you know we're hot here,

2006
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:13,800
Speaker 5: and then you know, all of a sudden pops running

2007
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 5: a slant right behind the blitz and they're beating the blitz,

2008
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:18,760
Speaker 5: you know, with his arm. You know that that sort

2009
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:21,320
Speaker 5: of thing, I think is sort of the next maturation.

2010
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:23,560
Speaker 5: That's a lot to ask for a young quarterback, you know.

2011
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:26,320
Speaker 2: So it tells you a few things. One that he

2012
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:28,640
Speaker 2: fully expects Josh McDaniel's to be back, and I think

2013
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:32,320
Speaker 2: we do too. Two that he likes the offense, like

2014
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:35,720
Speaker 2: he feels like, you know, I like this offense and

2015
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:37,840
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to being back so I can get

2016
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 2: better in this offense. So that's a good sign thing.

2017
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:45,360
Speaker 4: Young quarterbacks get sacked a lot too.

2018
01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:47,760
Speaker 1: And so you know, it's just thinking like even though

2019
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:50,280
Speaker 1: they went to the super like like throw the the

2020
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 1: playoff games, all of it out, you know, just he

2021
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 1: got to play four games against great defenses, and at

2022
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:59,160
Speaker 1: this stage you just want to keep stacking experience and

2023
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:00,720
Speaker 1: seeing as much as you can can get. So now

2024
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:03,400
Speaker 1: to your point, Paul, that Josh can go back and say,

2025
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:05,840
Speaker 1: remember when San Diego or I still call them San Diego,

2026
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:07,960
Speaker 1: the Chargers did this, you know, all that stuff. So

2027
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 1: it's just I think it's all the arrows all pointing

2028
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:11,720
Speaker 1: up and I'm I'm excited to get back see what

2029
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:12,840
Speaker 1: he looks like year two.

2030
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:14,120
Speaker 3: I just wonder, like, what.

2031
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:20,640
Speaker 5: Is it Drake May meeting Josh mcdaniels's like idea of

2032
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:23,760
Speaker 5: how to how to handle things, or you know, can

2033
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:26,560
Speaker 5: they can Josh McDaniels kind of make it easier to

2034
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 5: have gotten Drake May? You know, like I said, I

2035
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:32,400
Speaker 5: think on Tuesday, like a lot of like my guys,

2036
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:34,639
Speaker 5: a lot of the West Coast guys, like they don't

2037
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 5: expect the quarterback to get to the line of scrimmage

2038
01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:39,880
Speaker 5: and be able to make all these adjustments pre snap.

2039
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:41,840
Speaker 5: They just kind of snap the ball and they have

2040
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:45,360
Speaker 5: pre programmed answers into their play calls for things like

2041
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:47,640
Speaker 5: blitzes and stuff like that. So there's different ways to

2042
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 5: do it, and I just want to, like, I look

2043
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:51,639
Speaker 5: at Drake May as a guy that plays best when

2044
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:54,840
Speaker 5: he's free, when like he's not thinking it, he's not

2045
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,800
Speaker 5: overthinking it, and he's just kind of playing. So is

2046
01:31:57,840 --> 01:31:59,760
Speaker 5: there a way to sort of meet in the middle

2047
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:02,880
Speaker 5: day where you know, maybe he doesn't have to see

2048
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 5: every single slot blitz coming, but post snap, when he

2049
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:07,479
Speaker 5: feels it, you know, he has an answer to it

2050
01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 5: to get them into a better situation.

2051
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 2: Tyler and Ludlow wants to do a wellness check. He said,

2052
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 2: I just wanted to give a shout out to the

2053
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:16,479
Speaker 2: PU team for doing such a great job with keeping

2054
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:19,280
Speaker 2: the fans entertained for four days last week. We all

2055
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:21,680
Speaker 2: appreciate the work you put in. I also wanted to

2056
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:24,120
Speaker 2: do a wellness check on some of the former callers

2057
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:26,560
Speaker 2: I used to hear when I first started listening to

2058
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 2: the show in twenty fifteen. If any of these people

2059
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:32,680
Speaker 2: still listen, please call in again. Melvin and Tennessee. He's

2060
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:35,760
Speaker 2: called street kid Cat in Chicago. We don't hear from

2061
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 2: her as much now. Mark and the Bay could do

2062
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:41,400
Speaker 2: without him. Nick Baby Love, not sure what he's up to.

2063
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:44,680
Speaker 2: Lars and camp Pendleton, thank you for your service. And

2064
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 2: Ken's in the Navy and probably be for a life.

2065
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:48,280
Speaker 2: Remember that.

2066
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:52,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, Eric used to love singing. I think that was

2067
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:56,639
Speaker 4: the one that Hardy said, not butchered at all when

2068
01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 4: you mess.

2069
01:32:57,120 --> 01:32:57,759
Speaker 1: It up the words.

2070
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's see. Tony writes in and he says, no,

2071
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:06,920
Speaker 2: probably capital letter, not butchered at all.

2072
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:10,759
Speaker 4: There you go. No, he says.

2073
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:13,880
Speaker 2: A week ago, we were saying five five and five

2074
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:16,760
Speaker 2: sacks in the playoffs may can't be expected to play

2075
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:19,960
Speaker 2: well if this continues, and what happens six sacks in

2076
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 2: the super Bowl and numerous pressures, some twelve allowed by Campbell.

2077
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 2: I heard that number, is I.

2078
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:31,519
Speaker 23: Bet I heard six? I heard eight, I heard fourteen? Yeah,

2079
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:34,120
Speaker 23: I heard so fourteen was next gen? And next Gen

2080
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:36,760
Speaker 23: does it by the chip in the pad, so like

2081
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:39,200
Speaker 23: how close is his guy and him to this?

2082
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:42,920
Speaker 2: That's not fair, So that that's you could be fully

2083
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:44,559
Speaker 2: engaged to be close, right.

2084
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:47,360
Speaker 5: So that's how they do it, which is you know

2085
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:49,280
Speaker 5: why you know a lot of people have pushed back

2086
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:52,880
Speaker 5: on that number, but I think it was probably around eight.

2087
01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:55,759
Speaker 3: I think is probably the right number, which is still alone,

2088
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:56,800
Speaker 3: which is still too many.

2089
01:33:56,880 --> 01:33:59,640
Speaker 1: It's not fourteen, which that sparked a wildfire.

2090
01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:01,360
Speaker 5: I mean, we could go on a whole you know,

2091
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:04,120
Speaker 5: I have a I could go for twenty minutes about

2092
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:06,080
Speaker 5: Will Campbell in his past sets so that we could

2093
01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:06,400
Speaker 5: fix it.

2094
01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:08,559
Speaker 4: But well Armstead too.

2095
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:08,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2096
01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:14,640
Speaker 4: The whole thing, though, is all apples to apples, Like

2097
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:16,840
Speaker 4: I don't care what the number is, like if next

2098
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:19,400
Speaker 4: Gen does it different than everybody else, fourteen is still

2099
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:22,679
Speaker 4: ridiculously high. Compared to everybody else with next gen? Yeah, sure,

2100
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 4: do you know what I mean? So I don't know

2101
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:27,000
Speaker 4: what the number is, but he allowed a lot of

2102
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:31,240
Speaker 4: pressure myself. I heard a lot of people with eight.

2103
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:33,400
Speaker 4: So you had a number that people like.

2104
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 5: Five clear ones where it was like this is non negotiables.

2105
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:40,880
Speaker 5: Is definitely pressure. Then there's like, you know, the bul rushes,

2106
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:43,680
Speaker 5: it's hard, like he's getting walked back into the quarterback.

2107
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:46,080
Speaker 5: But like, how much is that really affecting Drake may

2108
01:34:46,160 --> 01:34:48,080
Speaker 5: On some plays it doesn't, in some plays it does,

2109
01:34:48,200 --> 01:34:50,240
Speaker 5: And so that's all subjective in my opinion.

2110
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:51,280
Speaker 3: That's kind of beauty is.

2111
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:52,800
Speaker 2: In the You don't want to see that, even if

2112
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:54,519
Speaker 2: it doesn't. You don't want to see a guy being

2113
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:55,080
Speaker 2: walked back.

2114
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:57,560
Speaker 5: I thought that, you know that a lot of the

2115
01:34:57,640 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 5: O line community I think is really well, what like

2116
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:03,920
Speaker 5: had his back, but also has explained it a lot

2117
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:07,800
Speaker 5: better than what's being explained you know by people that Okay,

2118
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:10,720
Speaker 5: it's a tough position to understand the nuances of and

2119
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:13,880
Speaker 5: I think there are fixes to it. And you know,

2120
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:17,920
Speaker 5: you mentioned Tarron Armstead, and Tron Armstead was very aggressive

2121
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:19,960
Speaker 5: with his pass sets. He used a lot of jump sets,

2122
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,200
Speaker 5: and angle sets so that he would get on guys

2123
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:25,559
Speaker 5: quickly and try to limit or close down the space.

2124
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:28,240
Speaker 5: When you vertical set, which is the most traditional pass

2125
01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:31,560
Speaker 5: set for tackles, you're actually creating space between you and

2126
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:33,560
Speaker 5: the rusher, and it's supposed to be so that you

2127
01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:35,680
Speaker 5: can kind of square them up and size them up.

2128
01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:39,200
Speaker 5: But the problem is is that he has the length disadvantage,

2129
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:43,240
Speaker 5: so he's giving guys a runway to gain momentum and

2130
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:45,759
Speaker 5: then they're just extending their arms and then they're pushing

2131
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:48,400
Speaker 5: him backwards. So you know, I think that he's going

2132
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:50,680
Speaker 5: to have to get better at, you know, trying to

2133
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:52,519
Speaker 5: change up his sets a little bit and kind of

2134
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:55,439
Speaker 5: keeping guys off balanced, because you know, all these Seattle

2135
01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:57,360
Speaker 5: guys were just bull rushing the crap out of him

2136
01:35:57,400 --> 01:35:59,720
Speaker 5: because they have that extra space to kind of that

2137
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:01,840
Speaker 5: runway to kind of go at.

2138
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:05,720
Speaker 2: Him full team. Maheen writes in I was wondering how

2139
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:08,599
Speaker 2: you guys viewed the miked up video of Mike Rabel

2140
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:10,800
Speaker 2: after the game, meeting the players and saying let's be

2141
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:14,240
Speaker 2: pissed together. You can also see the emotions he was

2142
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:17,200
Speaker 2: going through when he was seen alone. I love Mike

2143
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:20,880
Speaker 2: Rabel and will forever love him. I love being a

2144
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 2: Patriots fan because of him. I think this year, because

2145
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 2: of what we saw, other high end free agent players

2146
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:33,040
Speaker 2: would want to play in New England because of him. Okay, yeah, yep,

2147
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:35,800
Speaker 2: I caught that. Was that ours or did someone else

2148
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:39,760
Speaker 2: we weren't. I think Films was there at the same

2149
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:40,439
Speaker 2: time as us.

2150
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:43,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was phenomenal. Like I really just

2151
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 3: thought that. I was glad that he was able to,

2152
01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:46,680
Speaker 3: you know, do it.

2153
01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:48,960
Speaker 5: You don't want to do it, like just when they win, right,

2154
01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:51,519
Speaker 5: Like if you're gonna do the handshake line and like,

2155
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:53,800
Speaker 5: you know, greet them coming into the locker room, you

2156
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:55,600
Speaker 5: gotta do it, and you gotta do it good and

2157
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:58,479
Speaker 5: bad weather, And I thought that was really cool. The

2158
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:03,000
Speaker 5: shots of him, his reaction shots, I mean that was

2159
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:06,880
Speaker 5: unbelievable content, Like that's really hard to watch.

2160
01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:09,840
Speaker 2: Speaking of it, we're working on the last episode of Forge.

2161
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:12,880
Speaker 2: It's going to be really good. So even with the loss,

2162
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:15,400
Speaker 2: I think people are going to really enjoy it's coming out.

2163
01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:17,880
Speaker 2: It'll be coming out, let's just put it that way.

2164
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:22,439
Speaker 2: It was really good Mitch and Saratoga. First off, Paul,

2165
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:25,320
Speaker 2: the Patriots kicked the extra point instead of going for two,

2166
01:37:25,400 --> 01:37:28,280
Speaker 2: because if they converted the extra point then they would

2167
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 2: have known what they needed. Secondly, Evan, I hope you

2168
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:37,040
Speaker 2: will be consistent with your take on this season being

2169
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:39,360
Speaker 2: a failure because they didn't win the Super Bowl, just

2170
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 2: like how the Commander season was a failure last year.

2171
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:45,559
Speaker 2: Just wondering if the Patriots have put the twenty twenty

2172
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Speaker 2: five Super Bowl appearance banner up in the stadium.

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Speaker 3: Good question, that's a great question.

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Speaker 1: The AFC Championship banners are there.

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Speaker 5: They did make it one step further than the Commanders.

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01:37:57,240 --> 01:38:00,000
Speaker 5: Now they played the worst team and then championship game.

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Speaker 4: And they also didn't really forfeit any draft picks to

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Speaker 4: get there, which I think was Evans.

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Speaker 1: In the first place.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's see, we'll go to Boston Cream. What's up,

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Speaker 2: Boston Cream?

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Speaker 22: Hey, guys, just calling in to share my appreciations for

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Speaker 22: another wonderful Patriots Unfiltered season. This one was my fourteenth

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Speaker 22: complete and as an international listener, I kind of wanted

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01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:33,120
Speaker 22: to share my perspective of people who kind of started

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Speaker 22: listening around the time I did Patriots Unfiltered orfw at

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01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:41,800
Speaker 22: the time, it was such a great resource because we

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Speaker 22: didn't have the local media like a lot of people

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Speaker 22: in New England did to have to listen to. We

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Speaker 22: kind of had to search for things, and being on

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01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:54,200
Speaker 22: Patriots dot Com was easily accessible and very good to

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Speaker 22: fans like us. So I don't have anything more to say.

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Speaker 22: I'm just appreciateive for you guys's content and services.

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Speaker 2: Before you go, Blast and Cream, I am going to

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Speaker 2: get something for the winner of the you know you're

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Speaker 2: weekly contest. So make sure that Matt Morrell has the

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Speaker 2: name and address of the winner.

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Speaker 22: Okay, right on, there's four I think there's four winners.

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Speaker 2: Four winners. Oh, everybody's a winner and yours?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, wow, don't everyone gets a trophy?

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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll make sure we have those names and addresses.

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Speaker 2: Sounds good, guys, Love you all right, Thanks Boston Cream.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for by the way.

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious maybe if there's any new listeners who

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Speaker 1: are at the Super Bowl tailgate and we're yelled at

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Speaker 1: by Matt Morrell to listen to Patriots and filter, which

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01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:38,600
Speaker 1: there were many he was going through that tailgate. He

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01:39:38,680 --> 01:39:40,599
Speaker 1: wasn't abate of the village, you know, just you shooting

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Speaker 1: and everybody you don't you love to hear? We also

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Speaker 1: met a fan. We hade a fan of the show

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Speaker 1: working hard.

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Speaker 4: Someone had to do it.

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01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:50,040
Speaker 1: We weren't working at all.

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01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:54,600
Speaker 3: Actually that's the we get paid to do.

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01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:55,919
Speaker 1: Were spreading awareness.

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01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:58,519
Speaker 4: We were still working, you know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. Maybe Fred didn't hear

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Speaker 1: this one, but we were on Alcatraz Island and this

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01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:06,880
Speaker 1: gay felt. Paul and I talked about this. You get

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01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:08,800
Speaker 1: somebody kind of like, you know, eyeing you a little bit,

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01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:10,439
Speaker 1: and you're like, I think this guy might might be

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01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:13,800
Speaker 1: a fan. You're so we got recognized and talking to

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01:40:14,040 --> 01:40:15,679
Speaker 1: a really nice guy. I think his name is Liam

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01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:18,200
Speaker 1: from the UK. He was very nice.

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Speaker 17: I was.

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Speaker 1: He met me first and I was like, hey, you

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Speaker 1: want something really exciting, here comes Evans break it down

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Speaker 1: for you. But we talked to them for a while,

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Speaker 1: and it's just it's always so cool to run into

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01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:30,080
Speaker 1: random people who listen to the show. So if you

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Speaker 1: were harassed by Matt Morello at the Super Bowl tailgate,

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Speaker 1: please call in.

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Speaker 4: And now, so how old would you say that woman

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01:40:34,760 --> 01:40:36,040
Speaker 4: was that that said she was a.

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Speaker 1: Woman, she barely a woman? Seemed like twenty two, twenty one?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just let's say we don't. We don't get

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Speaker 4: a lot of young women that are listening to Patriots unfiltered.

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Speaker 4: So my antenna was immediately up, Like I felt like

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01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:53,679
Speaker 4: I was being set up somehow. But then she's like, Paul,

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Speaker 4: tell me why we're going to win this.

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Speaker 1: Come over here, you're my.

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Speaker 4: Like, I still still would find it hard to believe

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01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:04,000
Speaker 4: that she's a pew listener. I told her, I need

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01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:06,719
Speaker 4: you to write in and call in. I need proof.

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Speaker 1: But hopefully I'll talk to her for a whilefully we'll.

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Speaker 2: Hear from her, Darius writes. Sandy says, I don't think

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01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:14,479
Speaker 2: it's about Drake's confidence as much as it is about

2248
01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:18,360
Speaker 2: getting better receiving options. He needs people to get at

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01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:20,759
Speaker 2: least a little open so he can make tight window

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Speaker 2: throws and show his skill and confidence. Also more experience

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Speaker 2: so he has more options. I look at Stafford and

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Speaker 2: how his mind works against good defenses, and I think

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01:41:31,080 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 2: May just needs more time. Furthermore, I'm really excited about

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Speaker 2: the future and so ready to see the moves we

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Speaker 2: make this offseason.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess, I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: He was the number one passer in the league and

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Speaker 5: in pretty much every metric during the regular season, and

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Speaker 5: he wasn't in.

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Speaker 1: The playoffs, so carried over against the best teams the

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Speaker 1: same reiver defense.

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Speaker 4: You know, there were some open guys that he missed,

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Speaker 4: and I would just say, you know, in terms of

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Speaker 4: tight windows, that's what it is, right, that's what it

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Speaker 4: is in the postseason, that's you know, Evan talked about

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Speaker 4: this at length after the NFC Championship game. He wanted

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Speaker 4: to be really excited about how Seattle's defense had some

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Speaker 4: holes in it. Then you watch it and you're like, oh,

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Speaker 4: that's how they made the place Like those are hard

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Speaker 4: to replicate. It was all.

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Speaker 5: The dig route to mccollins and Matthew Stafford just did

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Speaker 5: it like four or five times, and you know, Puka

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Speaker 5: Nikua made the catches and he's a better player than maccollins.

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Speaker 5: And that's a fair point by the emailer, but you know,

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Speaker 5: I just think that it can be both. You know,

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Speaker 5: they need to get better for help around him, and

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Speaker 5: we can say that, but we can also admit that

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Speaker 5: in the playoffs, you know, he didn't look as shure

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Speaker 5: of himself as he did in the regular season.

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Speaker 3: For whatever reason.

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Speaker 2: Randy's in Providence. What's up, Randy.

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Speaker 13: Hey going guys?

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Speaker 7: Hey?

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Speaker 14: So yeah, I was calling it like last off season.

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Speaker 13: There was a lot of roster movement right, and a

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Speaker 13: lot of tear down, a lot of replacements, et cetera.

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Speaker 13: I just kind of I think some of that's probably

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Speaker 13: not done, particularly in the front seven of that defense.

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Speaker 13: I wonder what you guys are gonna think he is

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Speaker 13: going to happen this off season with guys that everybody

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Speaker 13: kind of thought doesn't really fit this scheme. Jennings to

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Speaker 13: buy and I wonder I've been looking at bar More

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Speaker 13: as a potential trade candidate. I don't think he fits

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01:43:21,479 --> 01:43:26,040
Speaker 13: in culturally for various reasons, and I think that he's

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Speaker 13: built up some value this past year. I wonder what

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Speaker 13: you guys think of a if he could be a

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Speaker 13: trade candidate and be what sort of value they might

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Speaker 13: get from him and then from the rookies in their

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Speaker 13: first complete off season Beyond Will Campbell, I think there's

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Speaker 13: two guys that I'd really like to see make leaps,

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Speaker 13: And I'm wondering what you guys think Jared Wilson and

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Speaker 13: his ability to snap the ball. Like I know he's

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Speaker 13: moved off the center last summer because he struggled with

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Speaker 13: that and then traveon Henderson with his pass protection coming

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Speaker 13: into the league. That was one of the highlights in

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Speaker 13: the draft community, thought to be like a real benefit

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Speaker 13: for him, and it didn't prove to be that way.

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Speaker 13: I'm thinking in the off season, hopefully he can pick

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Speaker 13: some things up.

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Speaker 14: What do you guys think.

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Speaker 4: I like the Henderson's a lot there. I like the

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Speaker 4: Henderson one a lot, but yeah, let's take them all down. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think the the Jared Wilson snapping thing, I think

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Speaker 5: it was more they had a solid center in Brad

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Speaker 5: Berry on the roster and his clearness pat the playing

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Speaker 5: was to play at left guard, and when they drafted him,

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Speaker 5: I think they you know, I think Elliot Wolf said

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Speaker 5: that we view him as a center, so I think

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Speaker 5: that center is his long term position. I think it'd

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Speaker 5: be hard to trade bar more expensive player as a

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Speaker 5: big contract if you're trading him for the reasons the

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Speaker 5: caller laid out, like, yeah, you know what, why is

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Speaker 5: the team taking on that contract.

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Speaker 4: It's funny that you I don't know if maybe I

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Speaker 4: hope our mikes weren't hot during the break because we

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Speaker 4: were talking about that during the break, Like, I wonder

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Speaker 4: if you know, let's go back to Max c could

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Speaker 4: you include a guy like that, because I think I

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Speaker 4: saw one report that they were looking for draft picks

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Speaker 4: and an established younger player. I think Barbo would fit

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Speaker 4: into that category. But Evan's right, he's an expensive younger player,

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Speaker 4: but a very talented one. It might that lesson the

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Speaker 4: draft compensation you'd have to give.

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Speaker 5: Yeah right, yeah, I just look at his If there

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Speaker 5: are concerns about Barmore, like let's just call him non

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01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:31,120
Speaker 5: football concerns about Barmore, then why is somebody taking on

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Speaker 5: one hundred million dollar contract? Yeah, right, like it just

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Speaker 5: does that just doesn't really perfect Raider add up. Yeah, Jennings,

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Speaker 5: I think it was another one of those guys that

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Speaker 5: kind of played his way into Mike Rabel's good grace.

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Speaker 4: I would say Jennings Stevenson would be the top of

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Speaker 4: that list for me. And maybe a win oo too. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know to, I you know to I had a

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Speaker 4: role coming down off of ir but yeah, not much.

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Speaker 5: Jennings in the playoffs, I think was a really impactful

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01:46:03,880 --> 01:46:07,280
Speaker 5: player for them and played really well and found a

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Speaker 5: way to operate within this system. You know that might

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Speaker 5: not be a great fit for him. So I don't

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Speaker 5: know if they still feel the same way about some

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Speaker 5: of those guys that Randy brought.

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Speaker 2: Up, Rhinos in North Carolina.

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Speaker 12: Hey Rhino, Hey guys, thanks for taking my call.

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Speaker 7: Sure.

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Speaker 6: So there's been a lot of discussion obviously on Will

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Speaker 6: Campbell online on this show with different callers. I'm going

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Speaker 6: to pick up on something that you guys were talking

2357
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Speaker 6: about as well, is that I was more concerned with

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Speaker 6: Jared Wilson down the stretch with his play at left guard.

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Speaker 6: Thought he really struggled in the run game. Thought he

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Speaker 6: struggled in pass protection on different downs, especially in helping Campbell,

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Speaker 6: And I just think it makes more sense to try

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Speaker 6: to kick him down to center and continue to develop

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01:46:53,439 --> 01:46:56,479
Speaker 6: Campbell as a tackle and try to find veteran help

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Speaker 6: at guard, rather than some of these calls trying to

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Speaker 6: bring in a number of tackles to compete with Campbell.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, why not both? Yeah? No, I agree. I talked

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Speaker 4: about Jared Wilson a little on Tuesday, and I think,

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Speaker 4: you know, he's kind of he struggled, There's no doubt

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Speaker 4: about it. I think he struggled since he got back

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Speaker 4: from that second concussion, and no one's really talking about

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Speaker 4: him like they are talking about Campbell. But I don't

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Speaker 4: think that that means Campbell was better than what we're saying.

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Speaker 4: I think Campbell struggled too.

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Speaker 5: No, I just wonder Wilson, like I keep coming back

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01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:37,720
Speaker 5: to the center thing, and on top of that, like

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01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:39,920
Speaker 5: separating the two of them so that they're not.

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Speaker 3: Playing next to each other.

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01:47:41,080 --> 01:47:42,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he agrees with you, because I just feel

2379
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:44,040
Speaker 4: like guys, on.

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Speaker 5: Top of the fact that they're they're younger, they're also smaller.

2381
01:47:48,120 --> 01:47:50,560
Speaker 5: So like your whole left side is just kind of

2382
01:47:51,080 --> 01:47:54,879
Speaker 5: undersized because Jared Wilson's built more like a center. Campbell's

2383
01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:57,120
Speaker 5: built more like a guard, So like you just have

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01:47:57,600 --> 01:47:59,880
Speaker 5: kind of a small surface that you're building on that

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Speaker 5: side of the line.

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Speaker 3: So even if it's just so that you know, you

2387
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:05,200
Speaker 3: get a bigger guard that's.

2388
01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:06,920
Speaker 5: A little bit more of a people mover to put

2389
01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:09,800
Speaker 5: next to Campbell, so on double teams and things like that,

2390
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:11,800
Speaker 5: that they can move the line a little bit better.

2391
01:48:12,360 --> 01:48:14,000
Speaker 5: I think that that would help out a lot too,

2392
01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:17,000
Speaker 5: because I think Jared Wilson is, you know, built like

2393
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:19,439
Speaker 5: a center, He's not necessarily built like a guard.

2394
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:19,840
Speaker 2: I like it.

2395
01:48:19,880 --> 01:48:21,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I think your point of bringing in the

2396
01:48:21,880 --> 01:48:24,200
Speaker 1: left guard that's established and let you know, still let

2397
01:48:24,240 --> 01:48:27,240
Speaker 1: Wilson compete for that, but let Wilson complete a both spots,

2398
01:48:27,280 --> 01:48:29,360
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, one used the questions.

2399
01:48:29,120 --> 01:48:31,839
Speaker 2: I said that yesterday. No One's Tuesday, no one's.

2400
01:48:32,120 --> 01:48:34,920
Speaker 4: Evan said he wanted like like Joe Toney would be

2401
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:38,800
Speaker 4: the answer. Yeah, last year, David Edwards the year free agent.

2402
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:42,559
Speaker 2: The whole offensive line downfall of the Patriots started when

2403
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:46,559
Speaker 2: they franchised Joe Tuning instead of extending him. Yeah, that's

2404
01:48:46,760 --> 01:48:48,880
Speaker 2: how the Salt hasn't been right since then.

2405
01:48:49,200 --> 01:48:51,679
Speaker 5: Well, Deuce was doing you know not this is going backways,

2406
01:48:51,720 --> 01:48:54,080
Speaker 5: but he did the nineteen eighty five thing. And who

2407
01:48:54,200 --> 01:48:57,400
Speaker 5: is the left tackle on that team again? Bryan Holloway

2408
01:48:57,400 --> 01:49:00,000
Speaker 5: who he met at the radio row and John Hanner

2409
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:02,400
Speaker 5: I would play next to him on the line. John

2410
01:49:02,439 --> 01:49:06,639
Speaker 5: Hannah retired and Brian Holloway no offense from a pro. Yeah,

2411
01:49:06,720 --> 01:49:09,280
Speaker 5: career kind of fizzled. And I think that that just

2412
01:49:09,400 --> 01:49:11,439
Speaker 5: kind of speaks to you. Now, no one's John Hannah,

2413
01:49:11,479 --> 01:49:13,639
Speaker 5: but it speaks to if you have a really good

2414
01:49:13,720 --> 01:49:16,559
Speaker 5: player playing next to you, how much easier it can

2415
01:49:16,680 --> 01:49:21,000
Speaker 5: make your job, you know, and it's a really Difficultnversely.

2416
01:49:20,240 --> 01:49:22,240
Speaker 2: If you have a guy making mistakes, it can make

2417
01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:23,160
Speaker 2: you look really bad.

2418
01:49:23,320 --> 01:49:23,519
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2419
01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:26,120
Speaker 5: But when you have, you know, a young player protecting

2420
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:29,160
Speaker 5: Drake May's blindside in the Super Bowl against one of

2421
01:49:29,200 --> 01:49:32,160
Speaker 5: the best pass rushers in football, Like, any little advantage

2422
01:49:32,240 --> 01:49:33,840
Speaker 5: or any little help that you can give him is

2423
01:49:33,880 --> 01:49:34,680
Speaker 5: going to go a long way.

2424
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:37,160
Speaker 2: All right, I got a feeling this is going to

2425
01:49:37,200 --> 01:49:40,520
Speaker 2: be explosive. Oh nice, Saba is in North Carolina.

2426
01:49:40,640 --> 01:49:41,040
Speaker 4: What's up?

2427
01:49:42,479 --> 01:49:45,040
Speaker 24: Hey there, gentlemen. I hate that I missed you guys Tuesday,

2428
01:49:45,120 --> 01:49:47,639
Speaker 24: but I was. You know, I'm not a long time listener,

2429
01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:48,360
Speaker 24: but I am now.

2430
01:49:49,160 --> 01:49:54,840
Speaker 4: Okay, well, welcome, glad to have you, Thank you.

2431
01:49:55,320 --> 01:49:57,880
Speaker 24: Okay, I've got some things I'm upset. Okay, First of all,

2432
01:49:58,320 --> 01:50:00,679
Speaker 24: why did the coaches in every boy to keep telling

2433
01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:01,519
Speaker 24: Drake doing.

2434
01:50:01,360 --> 01:50:01,760
Speaker 21: Through the ball?

2435
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:02,439
Speaker 6: Over doing to them?

2436
01:50:02,439 --> 01:50:05,600
Speaker 24: All of you decrease his aggressiveness. He's a mover and

2437
01:50:05,680 --> 01:50:07,439
Speaker 24: a shaker. He likes to play free.

2438
01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:08,120
Speaker 6: Like Steph Curry.

2439
01:50:08,160 --> 01:50:09,960
Speaker 24: You can't tell him don't turn the ball over. He

2440
01:50:10,040 --> 01:50:12,519
Speaker 24: does crazy things and then he does amazing things. This

2441
01:50:12,760 --> 01:50:14,519
Speaker 24: is what you have to do with players like this.

2442
01:50:14,640 --> 01:50:15,880
Speaker 11: He is not Dan Fouts.

2443
01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:19,559
Speaker 24: Guys and Josh Daniel treated him as such. He kept

2444
01:50:19,600 --> 01:50:22,759
Speaker 24: them in the pocket. I said, go right, do lead option,

2445
01:50:23,120 --> 01:50:26,479
Speaker 24: move the pocket, organize scrambles, anything you can do to

2446
01:50:26,600 --> 01:50:29,160
Speaker 24: decrease pastors. How about those little quick libricy of screens.

2447
01:50:29,479 --> 01:50:31,040
Speaker 24: You get it, you throw it to the right boot

2448
01:50:31,120 --> 01:50:32,960
Speaker 24: and bad way. The left side of the line can

2449
01:50:33,080 --> 01:50:37,120
Speaker 24: beat sort of camouflaged somewhat, but this was literally a beatdown.

2450
01:50:37,240 --> 01:50:40,680
Speaker 24: And I blamed Josh McDaniel. And why did Drake throw

2451
01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:43,680
Speaker 24: the eighteen? I'm telling you, I bet that was his choice, right,

2452
01:50:43,720 --> 01:50:45,800
Speaker 24: and he made the wrong choice again because looks like

2453
01:50:45,880 --> 01:50:48,120
Speaker 24: he wanted him to sit, But yet the guy kept going.

2454
01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:51,720
Speaker 24: I'm thought that what y'all did the team did to

2455
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:55,840
Speaker 24: Drake may and my Redskins author Thomas's how horrible Drake

2456
01:50:55,920 --> 01:50:59,000
Speaker 24: may is and how we're so lucky to have getting Daniels.

2457
01:50:59,479 --> 01:51:02,840
Speaker 24: I can't take it. It's really upsetting me. And I

2458
01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:07,240
Speaker 24: don't understand why the Patriots did not protect Drek Maymore

2459
01:51:07,320 --> 01:51:10,240
Speaker 24: and let him be himself. I'm worried that he may

2460
01:51:10,280 --> 01:51:12,160
Speaker 24: be ir reversely damaged.

2461
01:51:13,400 --> 01:51:14,559
Speaker 3: All right, I wasn't gonna go there.

2462
01:51:14,600 --> 01:51:16,439
Speaker 2: Well, let's agree with a lot of what I want

2463
01:51:16,479 --> 01:51:19,080
Speaker 2: you to become a full fledged Patriots fan, not a

2464
01:51:19,160 --> 01:51:20,320
Speaker 2: part time Patriots fan.

2465
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:22,519
Speaker 24: How do we do that, I will, I just got

2466
01:51:22,640 --> 01:51:23,479
Speaker 24: to get on your schedule.

2467
01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:27,240
Speaker 4: I got to make sure, okay, all right, thank you again,

2468
01:51:27,240 --> 01:51:27,880
Speaker 4: all right, thank you.

2469
01:51:28,680 --> 01:51:30,519
Speaker 5: I do agree with their first point, not the last

2470
01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:32,479
Speaker 5: point about him being broken for good. But I do

2471
01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:35,400
Speaker 5: agree that maybe they got into his head a little

2472
01:51:35,439 --> 01:51:37,920
Speaker 5: bit too much about the turnovers and it it the

2473
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:40,200
Speaker 5: freeness are like, kind of the looseness that he was

2474
01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:42,559
Speaker 5: playing with sort of went by the wayside.

2475
01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:45,479
Speaker 3: The Kyle Williams the pick. I actually think Kyle Williams

2476
01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:47,120
Speaker 3: was the one that read it correctly on that one.

2477
01:51:47,200 --> 01:51:50,120
Speaker 4: So just to you know, you made a pointed for

2478
01:51:50,160 --> 01:51:53,240
Speaker 4: that on Tuesday that had he kept going, he probably

2479
01:51:53,240 --> 01:51:55,120
Speaker 4: would have gotten picked anyway. Yeah, I mean had he

2480
01:51:55,200 --> 01:51:55,879
Speaker 4: sat down.

2481
01:51:55,840 --> 01:51:59,680
Speaker 5: So he uh they rotated late into like single high

2482
01:51:59,720 --> 01:52:01,679
Speaker 5: safe seeing Kyle Williams was trying to cut.

2483
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:02,040
Speaker 3: Across the.

2484
01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:04,559
Speaker 4: Lot of blue shirts there.

2485
01:52:04,720 --> 01:52:07,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think that Drake may read it as

2486
01:52:07,360 --> 01:52:09,200
Speaker 5: too high and thought that Kyle Williams was going to

2487
01:52:09,240 --> 01:52:11,200
Speaker 5: split the safety, so he threw it right through the

2488
01:52:11,240 --> 01:52:13,720
Speaker 5: middle of the field and that Kyle Williams read it

2489
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:15,599
Speaker 5: as post and was going to go across the field,

2490
01:52:15,880 --> 01:52:17,920
Speaker 5: And I think Kyle Williams was actually right.

2491
01:52:18,120 --> 01:52:20,840
Speaker 2: I know in Toronto, of the following three players, who

2492
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:23,880
Speaker 2: would you least be surprised about if they were not

2493
01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:27,320
Speaker 2: on the team next year, Diggs, Hunter Henry or Christian

2494
01:52:27,400 --> 01:52:32,280
Speaker 2: Barmore least digs For Diggs Diggs, I personally feel like

2495
01:52:32,360 --> 01:52:34,040
Speaker 2: it might be time to move on for all three

2496
01:52:34,120 --> 01:52:37,360
Speaker 2: of them. They'd save seventeen million by cutting Digs, and

2497
01:52:37,400 --> 01:52:39,599
Speaker 2: he was not very productive down the stretch. Plus he's

2498
01:52:39,640 --> 01:52:42,080
Speaker 2: not the easiest guy to root for. Hunter Henry is

2499
01:52:42,160 --> 01:52:44,639
Speaker 2: super easy to root for, but they'd save nine million

2500
01:52:44,680 --> 01:52:46,960
Speaker 2: by cutting him and could replace him with a younger

2501
01:52:47,040 --> 01:52:51,280
Speaker 2: tight end like Isaiah Likely. And Barber's miked up comments

2502
01:52:51,439 --> 01:52:54,320
Speaker 2: it wasn't us really bothered me. And he's not a

2503
01:52:54,479 --> 01:52:57,120
Speaker 2: verable guy. I wonder if he could be traded for

2504
01:52:57,200 --> 01:52:59,479
Speaker 2: a mid round pick and replaced with a veteran like

2505
01:52:59,680 --> 01:53:02,839
Speaker 2: John Franklin Myers. What was the guy was in Carolina?

2506
01:53:03,040 --> 01:53:04,040
Speaker 1: What was it wasn't us?

2507
01:53:04,800 --> 01:53:05,920
Speaker 3: Stupid thing.

2508
01:53:07,400 --> 01:53:09,879
Speaker 1: Like we didn't perform, Like it wasn't the defense.

2509
01:53:10,040 --> 01:53:13,839
Speaker 5: I think it's saying that it wasn't the defense.

2510
01:53:14,280 --> 01:53:17,040
Speaker 2: I don't like that either. Well I don't honestly, I don't.

2511
01:53:16,920 --> 01:53:21,639
Speaker 3: Like any of what NFL films put out, So that's yeah.

2512
01:53:21,640 --> 01:53:24,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I'm not interested in saving money. I'm

2513
01:53:24,840 --> 01:53:27,479
Speaker 4: interested in getting better players. If you can replace these

2514
01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:30,400
Speaker 4: guys with better players, I'm all for it, all.

2515
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:32,840
Speaker 2: Right, Nick, and Connecticut's giving in another try. We'll wrap

2516
01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:34,439
Speaker 2: up with him. Nick, we can hear you.

2517
01:53:37,160 --> 01:53:39,519
Speaker 12: So you guys touched on this a little bit at

2518
01:53:39,560 --> 01:53:41,519
Speaker 12: the end of the show, and I honestly it made

2519
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:43,920
Speaker 12: me change my take after listening to Hawk on it.

2520
01:53:44,120 --> 01:53:47,519
Speaker 12: So you guys are talking about Drake may holding the ball,

2521
01:53:47,560 --> 01:53:51,400
Speaker 12: which I thought was honestly a huge issue, But the

2522
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:53,000
Speaker 12: more I thought about it, I don't know if it's

2523
01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:54,720
Speaker 12: him holding the ball as much of not having a

2524
01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:58,439
Speaker 12: feel for the game or the moment. So Paul and

2525
01:53:58,680 --> 01:54:01,400
Speaker 12: I had a similar take. I think in the Atlanta

2526
01:54:01,439 --> 01:54:03,600
Speaker 12: game where the only way they could have lost that

2527
01:54:03,720 --> 01:54:05,479
Speaker 12: game is the bubble, and he took a huge bubble

2528
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:07,280
Speaker 12: at halftime. I think it was at the end of

2529
01:54:07,320 --> 01:54:11,840
Speaker 12: the game get another one that Campbell recovered, and I

2530
01:54:11,960 --> 01:54:13,920
Speaker 12: just feel like throughout the playoffs and stuff, it was

2531
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:16,280
Speaker 12: just you're getting the passers. Sometimes you've got to just

2532
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:18,080
Speaker 12: get the ball and not be Superman and make like

2533
01:54:18,120 --> 01:54:20,439
Speaker 12: the crazy amazing play made in Buffalo, which I know

2534
01:54:20,520 --> 01:54:23,080
Speaker 12: that's part of what makes him great, and he's twenty

2535
01:54:23,160 --> 01:54:25,400
Speaker 12: three and all that stuff, But for me, it's like

2536
01:54:25,439 --> 01:54:27,679
Speaker 12: you watch a guy like Josh Allen who at moments

2537
01:54:27,720 --> 01:54:29,880
Speaker 12: shows that like he has a feel for what's going on.

2538
01:54:29,960 --> 01:54:31,679
Speaker 12: But they also look at Denver. You lost the Denver

2539
01:54:31,800 --> 01:54:34,600
Speaker 12: game because right doing too much. And I just feel

2540
01:54:34,640 --> 01:54:36,440
Speaker 12: like there's times where like there's a play in the

2541
01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:39,000
Speaker 12: Super Bowl where he drops back. It's second and ten.

2542
01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:41,880
Speaker 12: They're about the cross midfield and they had Hunter Henry

2543
01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:44,040
Speaker 12: for five yard lay if everyone else is going deep

2544
01:54:44,600 --> 01:54:47,040
Speaker 12: and he steps up, the pocket takes back, so you

2545
01:54:47,120 --> 01:54:50,600
Speaker 12: go from what would be third and five like maybe

2546
01:54:51,080 --> 01:54:53,880
Speaker 12: or less, and then now it's third and fourteen, which

2547
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:54,720
Speaker 12: is so different.

2548
01:54:54,960 --> 01:54:57,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot of that that happened Sunday and

2549
01:54:57,840 --> 01:54:59,960
Speaker 4: in all season, and that's why I kind of put

2550
01:55:00,240 --> 01:55:04,440
Speaker 4: back on the you know, the the constant harping on

2551
01:55:04,480 --> 01:55:07,760
Speaker 4: the turnovers, because turnovers were an enormous problem in his

2552
01:55:07,880 --> 01:55:10,640
Speaker 4: rookie year and they were mitigated this year. He didn't

2553
01:55:10,680 --> 01:55:13,720
Speaker 4: have anywhere near the amount of turnover worthy plays. I mean,

2554
01:55:15,080 --> 01:55:17,520
Speaker 4: for the amount of big plays that he made. That's

2555
01:55:17,600 --> 01:55:19,960
Speaker 4: remarkable that he was able to cut back on the

2556
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:24,800
Speaker 4: mistakes while making more explosive plays that you know, is

2557
01:55:24,880 --> 01:55:28,280
Speaker 4: something that clearly that they drilled into him. It worked,

2558
01:55:28,640 --> 01:55:30,480
Speaker 4: but it's still a work in progress. Nick is right,

2559
01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:33,640
Speaker 4: there's a lot of things that in that holding the

2560
01:55:33,720 --> 01:55:36,520
Speaker 4: ball thing is kind of a constant that I can

2561
01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:40,240
Speaker 4: trace as far back as the preseason in the game

2562
01:55:40,320 --> 01:55:44,760
Speaker 4: against Washington, I think all the way through to the

2563
01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:47,960
Speaker 4: super Bowl, like and it was it was a periodic

2564
01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:50,600
Speaker 4: problem throughout the year. That's what comes with making all

2565
01:55:50,640 --> 01:55:51,280
Speaker 4: those big plays.

2566
01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:55,400
Speaker 5: I would just say that, like be careful about evaluating

2567
01:55:55,480 --> 01:55:58,960
Speaker 5: like when to go to the checkdown. Like obviously he's

2568
01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:01,920
Speaker 5: going through read and the checkdown is like you know,

2569
01:56:01,960 --> 01:56:04,160
Speaker 5: we're gonna look down field first and then we're gonna

2570
01:56:04,200 --> 01:56:07,200
Speaker 5: hit the checkdown. So like you I don't wouldn't expect

2571
01:56:07,280 --> 01:56:09,520
Speaker 5: him to like get to the top of his drop

2572
01:56:09,600 --> 01:56:12,000
Speaker 5: and immediately be looking down to the checkdown like that.

2573
01:56:12,280 --> 01:56:15,400
Speaker 5: That isn't really you know, he's waiting to see if

2574
01:56:15,440 --> 01:56:18,320
Speaker 5: anything develops down the field. Now, could he get from

2575
01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:21,440
Speaker 5: you know, his rates down. Yeah, could he get there faster?

2576
01:56:21,760 --> 01:56:21,960
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2577
01:56:22,440 --> 01:56:24,520
Speaker 3: Probably, But you know, I see you in a lot

2578
01:56:24,560 --> 01:56:26,880
Speaker 3: of like screenshots and things like that of like.

2579
01:56:27,120 --> 01:56:28,920
Speaker 5: Screen, you know, he hits the top of his drop

2580
01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:31,280
Speaker 5: and we're looking at it and like there's a checkdown.

2581
01:56:31,320 --> 01:56:33,840
Speaker 5: While it was like, yeah, like obviously he could take

2582
01:56:33,880 --> 01:56:36,560
Speaker 5: the checkdown at the top of his drop every single time,

2583
01:56:36,720 --> 01:56:39,280
Speaker 5: but you know, he's looking to see if something develops

2584
01:56:39,640 --> 01:56:42,080
Speaker 5: down the field first. So you know, I thought there

2585
01:56:42,160 --> 01:56:45,240
Speaker 5: were opportunities to take checkdowns in this game, maybe, but

2586
01:56:45,360 --> 01:56:48,400
Speaker 5: I didn't really think that that was the design of

2587
01:56:48,480 --> 01:56:50,280
Speaker 5: the play. Like I think they were trying to hit

2588
01:56:50,360 --> 01:56:53,240
Speaker 5: throws down the field, and that was the biggest gripe

2589
01:56:53,240 --> 01:56:55,400
Speaker 5: I probably had with McDaniels in this game, as it

2590
01:56:55,560 --> 01:56:58,520
Speaker 5: was too vertical, like they they couldn't hold up up front,

2591
01:56:58,600 --> 01:57:01,120
Speaker 5: and they got guys that aren't even ready to catch

2592
01:57:01,160 --> 01:57:03,520
Speaker 5: the ball, that aren't turning around looking for the ball yet,

2593
01:57:03,800 --> 01:57:05,520
Speaker 5: and Drake may is hitting the top of his drop

2594
01:57:05,560 --> 01:57:07,280
Speaker 5: and he's just holding it slants.

2595
01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:07,520
Speaker 4: And in cuts.

2596
01:57:07,640 --> 01:57:11,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, what you need Travis in West Virginia, Can each

2597
01:57:11,480 --> 01:57:15,880
Speaker 2: of you say please up sorry? Can each of you

2598
01:57:16,080 --> 01:57:18,640
Speaker 2: please say on a scale of one to ten, how

2599
01:57:18,720 --> 01:57:22,240
Speaker 2: much locker room guys actually matter. My answer is zero.

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01:57:22,640 --> 01:57:23,240
Speaker 3: Oh I think that.

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01:57:23,920 --> 01:57:24,960
Speaker 2: I think Paul would agree.

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01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:26,640
Speaker 4: No, you would not agree.

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01:57:26,720 --> 01:57:29,840
Speaker 5: This team made it here because they had fantastic vibes

2604
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:32,120
Speaker 5: all year long. I mean that this wasn't because they

2605
01:57:32,200 --> 01:57:34,920
Speaker 5: had the best talent in the AFC. This was this

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01:57:35,120 --> 01:57:37,680
Speaker 5: was a special kind of thing, like I've never been

2607
01:57:37,720 --> 01:57:40,120
Speaker 5: around anything like like what we saw this year in

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01:57:40,240 --> 01:57:43,840
Speaker 5: terms of like that sort of thing actually elevating the

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01:57:44,080 --> 01:57:46,760
Speaker 5: talent on the roster, Like if you understand what.

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01:57:46,760 --> 01:57:50,400
Speaker 1: The I just think you need at least a core.

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01:57:50,520 --> 01:57:52,120
Speaker 1: You need at least a core of guys that have

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01:57:52,240 --> 01:57:53,880
Speaker 1: your culture in and then in the first year of

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01:57:53,920 --> 01:57:55,240
Speaker 1: a program, it's hard to have that.

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01:57:55,600 --> 01:57:58,160
Speaker 4: See now where I think you would probably be going

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01:57:58,240 --> 01:58:01,520
Speaker 4: with this Fred with me, he is so take a

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01:58:01,560 --> 01:58:04,480
Speaker 4: guy like Carold Landry. I think Carol Landry was brought

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01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:06,400
Speaker 4: here for one reason, and it's exactly what Mike and

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01:58:06,480 --> 01:58:10,640
Speaker 4: Evan just said. And he did that. He got hurt,

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01:58:11,320 --> 01:58:13,480
Speaker 4: he wasn't as productive in the second half of the season.

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01:58:13,760 --> 01:58:16,120
Speaker 4: I would hesitate to say I need to keep him

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01:58:16,520 --> 01:58:18,760
Speaker 4: because he's so good in my locker room. He did

2622
01:58:18,840 --> 01:58:22,160
Speaker 4: his job that's exactly what they signed him for if

2623
01:58:22,240 --> 01:58:25,240
Speaker 4: you have established the culture right now. But so he

2624
01:58:25,240 --> 01:58:27,480
Speaker 4: would need to be a better player than he was,

2625
01:58:27,600 --> 01:58:28,920
Speaker 4: do you know what I mean. I wouldn't just keep

2626
01:58:29,000 --> 01:58:32,360
Speaker 4: him solely for that. If he can't play anymore, then

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01:58:32,360 --> 01:58:34,720
Speaker 4: it's time to move on. If now, if they think

2628
01:58:34,920 --> 01:58:36,600
Speaker 4: this was about the injury and he's going to be

2629
01:58:36,680 --> 01:58:39,200
Speaker 4: more productive, by all means, you'll hold on to him.

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01:58:39,200 --> 01:58:41,240
Speaker 4: But I think those guys are important. I agree with

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01:58:41,280 --> 01:58:42,000
Speaker 4: the way Evans said.

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01:58:42,040 --> 01:58:45,560
Speaker 2: I go back to Parcels, you know, Hall of Fame coach,

2633
01:58:46,120 --> 01:58:48,400
Speaker 2: you got to have your circle the wagon guys, And

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01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:51,480
Speaker 2: he and Belichick did the same thing when he was here.

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01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:53,960
Speaker 2: He brought in Anthony Pleasant.

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01:58:53,640 --> 01:58:56,280
Speaker 4: And Hamilton, Bobby Hamilton.

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01:58:56,520 --> 01:58:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, all these guys that he was familiar with, that

2638
01:58:59,160 --> 01:59:02,760
Speaker 2: he knows will take his message to the rest of

2639
01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:07,520
Speaker 2: the team and help to make the locker room self policing.

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01:59:07,640 --> 01:59:09,200
Speaker 4: And that's what they had a bunch of guys that

2641
01:59:09,360 --> 01:59:12,480
Speaker 4: had some ties to rabel In, some you know, Landry Splane,

2642
01:59:12,520 --> 01:59:15,480
Speaker 4: these guys that had had been around some of these

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01:59:15,560 --> 01:59:17,120
Speaker 4: coaches in the past.

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01:59:17,240 --> 01:59:19,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, and like obviously winning, you know, when you're winning,

2645
01:59:20,120 --> 01:59:23,240
Speaker 5: it's going to be a fun environment. But hearing guys,

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01:59:23,440 --> 01:59:25,600
Speaker 5: you know, talk about how much they look forward to

2647
01:59:25,760 --> 01:59:30,000
Speaker 5: going into the facility, and you know it just when

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01:59:30,040 --> 01:59:31,840
Speaker 5: we were got to be in there, Duce in the

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01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:35,080
Speaker 5: locker room, like that locker room was like it was fun,

2650
01:59:35,280 --> 01:59:37,480
Speaker 5: like it was a fun environment to be around.

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01:59:37,640 --> 01:59:40,000
Speaker 1: There was no dividers. It was every position group was

2652
01:59:40,080 --> 01:59:41,800
Speaker 1: talking or joking with the other way, you know.

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01:59:42,040 --> 01:59:44,760
Speaker 2: And you know, Belichick had the good fortune of having

2654
01:59:44,880 --> 01:59:47,760
Speaker 2: his best player be the guy who set the tone

2655
01:59:47,800 --> 01:59:53,680
Speaker 2: by example in Brady ken Vrabel turned a Gonzales into

2656
01:59:53,800 --> 01:59:57,320
Speaker 2: his guy, because that would be all the more reason

2657
01:59:57,440 --> 01:59:59,920
Speaker 2: to sign him that you know that he's carrying my wall.

2658
02:00:00,120 --> 02:00:02,720
Speaker 2: He's going to carry my message to the rest of

2659
02:00:02,760 --> 02:00:05,200
Speaker 2: the team. When your best players can do it, not

2660
02:00:05,400 --> 02:00:08,880
Speaker 2: just the Matthew Slaters, no disrespect intended, but when your

2661
02:00:09,080 --> 02:00:12,680
Speaker 2: best elite players are your locker room guys, that's when

2662
02:00:12,720 --> 02:00:14,640
Speaker 2: it clicks. That's when it clicks.

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02:00:14,680 --> 02:00:17,600
Speaker 3: That'd be the interesting question because Ganza doesn't say much, so.

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02:00:17,800 --> 02:00:18,160
Speaker 4: I don't know.

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02:00:19,960 --> 02:00:22,920
Speaker 2: Brady didn't either in the locker room, but he led

2666
02:00:22,960 --> 02:00:26,080
Speaker 2: by example once he was on the practice field. My god,

2667
02:00:26,160 --> 02:00:28,280
Speaker 2: if you weren't doing what you're supposed to. He was

2668
02:00:28,360 --> 02:00:31,720
Speaker 2: all over you. Yeah, Gonzo can do it in a

2669
02:00:31,760 --> 02:00:35,720
Speaker 2: different way. But as long as he's buying in, Yeah,

2670
02:00:35,840 --> 02:00:37,000
Speaker 2: as long as he's buying in.

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02:00:37,440 --> 02:00:40,560
Speaker 5: I think Drake May, Will Campbell, Christian Gonzalez like they

2672
02:00:40,680 --> 02:00:43,320
Speaker 5: kind Williams they're taking. I think Millen Williams right now

2673
02:00:43,400 --> 02:00:45,040
Speaker 5: is probably one of the vocal leaders in there.

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02:00:45,200 --> 02:00:45,560
Speaker 3: It's right.

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02:00:46,040 --> 02:00:48,440
Speaker 5: Those three guys, to me are kind of realized that

2676
02:00:48,480 --> 02:00:50,600
Speaker 5: they're the future and they're going to be the core

2677
02:00:51,080 --> 02:00:53,520
Speaker 5: of this team. And I think they take a lot

2678
02:00:53,560 --> 02:00:54,040
Speaker 5: of pride in that.

2679
02:00:54,200 --> 02:00:56,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think Remandre I think, because of his

2680
02:00:56,840 --> 02:01:01,360
Speaker 2: slow start, wasn't really a out front leader. But I

2681
02:01:01,400 --> 02:01:04,200
Speaker 2: think starting next year he might be. Yeah, we'll see.

2682
02:01:04,920 --> 02:01:09,040
Speaker 2: All Right, that's gonna be it for this week's Patriots Unfiltered.

2683
02:01:10,080 --> 02:01:13,120
Speaker 2: We will be back next week on Tuesday, So we

2684
02:01:13,240 --> 02:01:14,480
Speaker 2: will see you next Tuesday.

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02:01:16,800 --> 02:01:18,880
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2686
02:01:19,040 --> 02:01:20,560
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02:01:25,400 --> 02:01:27,560
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2690
02:01:27,600 --> 02:01:29,760
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02:01:29,800 --> 02:01:30,040
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