Speaker 1: Welcome back all the smoke man. We're off to a
Speaker 1: good start on the run. Okay, we got a nice
Speaker 1: la run today. I want to welcome to the show man.
Speaker 1: Someone I got a chance to meet early on work,
Speaker 1: ethic Grinder. I had an eighteen year NBA career champion
Speaker 1: father my dog my smokeing, one of my smoking buddies,
Speaker 1: Homie Trevor reason Man, eighteen year NBA VET World champion.
Speaker 1: What does that mean to me?
Speaker 2: Mind me, that's it. Yeah, that's all. Just put in
Speaker 2: my work, you know, doing what I love to do.
Speaker 2: Made some great connections with people that I you know,
Speaker 2: I will always bald with forever. So you know, I
Speaker 2: got a lot out of the game. The game gave
Speaker 2: me a lot, and I'm appreciative for it.
Speaker 1: What's it like to these days? I mean, obviously, talk
Speaker 1: to us about your son first and foremost, and then
Speaker 1: we'll get back to what's isfe these days. You got
Speaker 1: a young son that's been really doing this thing and
Speaker 1: kind of making the name for yourself out here these
Speaker 1: basketball streets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, he's he's putting in the work for himself. Man.
Speaker 3: He gets up early and getting in the gym. He's
Speaker 3: in the weight room.
Speaker 2: You know he wants it, so just watching him go
Speaker 2: through it is kind of like looking back in time
Speaker 2: and seeing myself doing the same things that he's doing.
Speaker 1: Now, what's it like as a father though, because you
Speaker 1: know we both played. I got my boys a one
Speaker 1: year younger than your boys, and I chose to coach
Speaker 1: youd chose not to coach you. But you're there, very
Speaker 1: supportive walking them through the process. What's that like, Man, It's.
Speaker 2: It's like it's nerve wracking, but like, at the same time,
Speaker 2: it's fulfilling, but at the same time, sometimes I'll be
Speaker 2: wanting to strangle with Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean you were talking, we were talking in the
Speaker 1: green room about just the mental side of it, the
Speaker 1: mental toughness because our kids are going to have every
Speaker 1: opportunity because of you know, how hard we worked to
Speaker 1: get there. But that mental side, to me and we
Speaker 1: were talking about is the biggest deal with athletes kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you come up different than a lot
Speaker 2: of times than how we came up. So the privilege
Speaker 2: is different. His privilege is a little bit different. So
Speaker 2: in order for him to be able to actually make it,
Speaker 2: he gotta love it himself. And that's what I'm seeing
Speaker 2: from him, So like the grinding part, that the parts
Speaker 2: that are ugly. I try to make it as uncomfortable
Speaker 2: as I can for him so he can understand that
Speaker 2: it's never gonna be sweet, because when you're good, you
Speaker 2: got a target on your back. When you get to
Speaker 2: the highest level, every night, you got to turn that
Speaker 2: shit on because it's a motherfucker that's ready to take
Speaker 2: your fucking head off, and they're gonna laugh at you
Speaker 2: what they're doing.
Speaker 1: It just sometimes just because of your last name, just
Speaker 1: because what we did.
Speaker 2: Right, right, That's one thing about him that I like
Speaker 2: the most though, Like he wants to be his own
Speaker 2: personal completely. So like people will be like, oh, you're
Speaker 2: you're Trevors soon he'd be like nah, right. So you
Speaker 2: know that confidence and him wanting to be his own
Speaker 2: individuals is really you know, it's impressive to me.
Speaker 4: Born in Miami but raised in La. How did you
Speaker 4: up in La? How did I end up in La?
Speaker 4: My mom wanted to be a movie star. That's fun,
Speaker 4: that's the truth. That's how we ended up here.
Speaker 2: My mom is a young ex spot whatever it wanted
Speaker 2: to be spiring. I wanted to be an actress, so
Speaker 2: she's a beautiful woman. So she wanted to come out
Speaker 2: here and pursue her career, and uh, that's how we
Speaker 2: end up here.
Speaker 1: Speaking of your mom, she's so dope. Whatever happened in
Speaker 1: that place she took me that one night, that was
Speaker 1: the best place I ever been in my life. And
Speaker 1: next thing I know, it's going what happened it was?
Speaker 1: It was too live. It ahead of his time. Fourteen fifteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a long time. I tell you off camera
Speaker 1: it was so live.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I wouldn't do it. Definitely had a
Speaker 2: good time. It was a good time my mom, and
Speaker 2: my mom knows how.
Speaker 1: To Yeah party, she's dope. Yeah, shout out to mom.
Speaker 3: What was LA like growing up as a as a kid?
Speaker 3: A t l A For me as a kid, it
Speaker 3: was fun. Man.
Speaker 2: It wasn't social media, so you actually have to get
Speaker 2: outside and play, ride your bikes, go to all the
Speaker 2: barks to play. You know, you're getting into everything. It's
Speaker 2: everything that's available for you to do that you can
Speaker 2: think of as available when you are coming up around
Speaker 2: our time.
Speaker 1: Who are some of the kids you grew up with,
Speaker 1: we would know.
Speaker 2: Uh pooh h Brandon Heath Bobby Brown, uh Hassan Adams,
Speaker 2: Evan Burns, Craig Smith, somebody else that we grew up.
Speaker 2: But you know Marcus Washington, Marcus not known for basketball,
Speaker 2: but he's in the boxing world. Him and his family.
Speaker 2: Who else uh d jack Deshaun Jackson. He grew up
Speaker 2: played football together. Him and my little brother were on
Speaker 2: the same team, went to the same elementary school and
Speaker 2: all that. So, yeah, those people are a lot of talent.
Speaker 2: It's a ship ton of talent. I'm missing a whole
Speaker 2: bunch of Yeah.
Speaker 1: Football games and basketball games were live, man, it.
Speaker 2: Was always always, always talent. I played for Inglewood Pop Winner,
Speaker 2: and we used to play against like Carson. Carson used
Speaker 2: to have like all the big rivalries. All the really
Speaker 2: good players played in Carson and Compton, South Bay and
Speaker 2: all that. So we always used to compete against each other.
Speaker 2: When did basketball find you? Basketball? Basketball came to me.
Speaker 2: I guess I understood I had a really good chance
Speaker 2: of doing something like in the tenth grade.
Speaker 3: But I started playing basketball from the crib. Man.
Speaker 2: My mom gave me the ball in my crib, and
Speaker 2: from then she just pushed it, pushed it, pushed it,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: So from zero. Yeah, exception from conception.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you attended l A powerhouse Westchester, Yeah, big time,
Speaker 4: recruited California State championship and No.
Speaker 3: Three. Talk about good time at west Chester.
Speaker 2: My time in Westchester, it was probably the best school,
Speaker 2: I think, period of all any school in the country.
Speaker 2: But my time there was fun because we known for
Speaker 2: having like the pretty girls at our school.
Speaker 3: So oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: So our games used to be cracking, so everybody from
Speaker 2: every school used to come. We used to play against
Speaker 2: all the people around the state. That was real good.
Speaker 2: So we got to travel, We got the experience life
Speaker 2: outside of l A two, which was a plus.
Speaker 3: But just coming up in the school, it was it was.
Speaker 2: It was some shipped a lot of the times, but
Speaker 2: you know it was fun times too.
Speaker 3: Legendry games and the legendary games Fairfax.
Speaker 2: It's always legendary games against Fairfax Crenshaw. I remember we
Speaker 2: played Crenshaw at Southwest I think it was, and in
Speaker 2: the first quarter we was beating the ass by thirty.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that that shit was live. It was packed.
Speaker 2: It was good two thousand I think it was, but
Speaker 2: we was We smashed them. And then anytime we played
Speaker 2: against fairfaxt the wall was sweat, you know that. One
Speaker 2: particular time at their gym, they had to shut the
Speaker 2: game down because it was too many people coming.
Speaker 1: Any pros on that team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was Hassan Adams, Bobby Brown, myself, Craig Smith
Speaker 2: was on the other team.
Speaker 3: Evan Burns the other team. He was a pro. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What happened to him?
Speaker 2: Man injuries probably you know, injuries talking to him, but.
Speaker 3: He had probably the most talent out of the whole bunch.
Speaker 3: Water too, who anybody modeled your game after?
Speaker 2: When I was younger, I wanted to play like Penny,
Speaker 2: t Mac and Kobe. Those were my favorite players coming up.
Speaker 2: So those three, a combination of those three players. What
Speaker 2: do you know about? Shay is a fucking monster agend
Speaker 2: He's like a legend like babies that's born now. Still
Speaker 2: hear about the legend of sha because we talk about
Speaker 2: it right now. So that's how legendary he is. He
Speaker 2: didn't even get a chance to to show the world
Speaker 2: his legendary at the highest stage.
Speaker 1: So you know, yeah, we definitely know.
Speaker 2: I got a chance to actually when I was younger
Speaker 2: in high school, I got a chance to like play
Speaker 2: against them and work with work with them, and him
Speaker 2: and his brother and uh, you know, they definitely had
Speaker 2: influence on you know where my career ended up going.
Speaker 1: YO successful high school career, heavily recruited. You chose to
Speaker 1: go to UCLA. Who are some other schools you thought about?
Speaker 1: Possibly Florida? Florida was the only other school I really
Speaker 1: wanted to go to. I love Billy Donovan who was there,
Speaker 1: and my pops went there, So Florida was the other
Speaker 1: school I wanted to actually commit. I wanted to commit
Speaker 1: to go to Florida, but once I called coach Donovan,
Speaker 1: I told him that I wasn't coming because I was
Speaker 1: getting homesick. You know, I didn't want to leave my
Speaker 1: mom seventeen, I think, so leaving moms would have been
Speaker 1: crazy for me. So you see, La, what's it like
Speaker 1: when you get there?
Speaker 2: What's the life? Completely different? Because the coach that recruited
Speaker 2: me was gone.
Speaker 3: It was gone. I was sick about it.
Speaker 1: Who was so who recruited you?
Speaker 3: Laughing? And coach Man, uh huh?
Speaker 1: And then halland Hallen COM's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, then Holland coome. It was.
Speaker 2: That was a rough one. It was a completely different
Speaker 2: style of play for me. You know, for me being
Speaker 2: in transitions, getting up and down the court was you
Speaker 2: know where I was good at. And he liked to
Speaker 2: play in the half court, you know, he went to
Speaker 2: grind it out. He was from the Big East at
Speaker 2: the time and he like older players. So me coming
Speaker 2: in at seventeen eighteen years old, he was like, nah, Bron,
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to learn some shit. But I was
Speaker 2: really good, so I had to kind of play. So yeah,
Speaker 2: we bumped heads a lot, caught me out of class
Speaker 2: one time they did a class check. So we went
Speaker 2: to the to the court. It's me TJ. Cummings and
Speaker 2: Ryan Holland's ass was out of class or he had
Speaker 2: to run for some reason. So he made me do
Speaker 2: like forty five sprints or something. And the whole time
Speaker 2: we're doing sprints, I'm just laughing the whole time.
Speaker 3: So fucker's turned red sh He was pissed. Man, he
Speaker 3: was so mad.
Speaker 2: But like you know, I in my head, I wanted
Speaker 2: to like let him know that, like I'm not You're
Speaker 2: not gonna break. There's nothing you're gonna be able to
Speaker 2: do that's gonna break me on this court.
Speaker 1: Is that why you was one and done? How many
Speaker 1: freshmen you know, pack ten on freshman team? You just
Speaker 1: felt like it was time to go, or that that
Speaker 1: combination of him not vibing with him and the opportunity
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think that at first, I really just
Speaker 2: wanted to. They had a rule you could test the waters,
Speaker 2: and I wanted to test the waters, you know. And
Speaker 2: we had a conversation about that and we disagreed about
Speaker 2: the conversation a little bit. Yeah, and I was like, well,
Speaker 2: fuck it, here we go. I mean, I believed in myself.
Speaker 2: I believed in what I could do. I was going
Speaker 2: around in these workouts and playing against the top talent
Speaker 2: all the places, so you know.
Speaker 3: Doing that when you instead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Plus I played in the Pac ten at the time,
Speaker 2: it's called the Pac ten. The Pac ten was cracking.
Speaker 2: Luke Jackson was cracking and I had to play against
Speaker 2: him all the time. He was really good. So he
Speaker 2: was the tenth pick that year you was going thinking
Speaker 2: about going to Florida. Whatever was I want to say
Speaker 2: it was win the championships. The year after they start
Speaker 2: winning yeah, yeah, yeah, but they they.
Speaker 3: Went back to back then they went back to back. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: so it was as.
Speaker 1: Hard and yeah, outside of basketball, how would you ucl
Speaker 1: experience russ Wood and just making friends.
Speaker 2: And well, you know, growing up in LA, it's either U, C,
Speaker 2: l A, or USC.
Speaker 3: You know, that's what it was for me. I played basketball,
Speaker 3: so you.
Speaker 1: Went to the basketball school to go to the basketball school.
Speaker 2: But being around there and being on that campus, you know,
Speaker 2: you got to meet a lot of different people.
Speaker 3: It was diverse.
Speaker 2: That's my first time around a lot of diversity or
Speaker 2: going to a school that was diverse like that. So
Speaker 2: you know, I got to meet a lot of different people,
Speaker 2: learned a little bit of culture from different cultures. So
Speaker 2: the experience was dope and opened my eyes up to
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 1: Men's gym talk to us about the men's gym and
Speaker 1: and and all that. I feel like that helped our team,
Speaker 1: whoever made up from our team get to the league.
Speaker 3: Was the men's gym.
Speaker 2: The men's gym is that's you know they say New
Speaker 2: York mister mecca who. I feel like the men's gym
Speaker 2: is the mecca for our whop and what we're doing.
Speaker 2: Because if you are somebody, you gotta come through there,
Speaker 2: got to pull up, you gotta go through there.
Speaker 1: Who are some of the people you saw early on
Speaker 1: when you first started going up there.
Speaker 2: I seen being in there. All the Lakers that used
Speaker 2: to come in there. Paul used to be in there.
Speaker 2: BD Shane used to be in there. Everybody you used
Speaker 2: to be in there. KG used to be in there
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 1: Andre Miller it was nice in the runs is killer
Speaker 1: period straight up?
Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody used to be in there, he declared early
Speaker 4: for the draft. Some of you come with Rico. Talk
Speaker 4: about Rico and how did Rico help you prepare for
Speaker 4: the draft? With his burnt ass, burn man, burn toast,
Speaker 4: man toast, just like he's a He's an animal for real,
Speaker 4: like in his mind. So like just being around that
Speaker 4: type of energy all the time, you gotta it comes
Speaker 4: out or you or you're gonna break. And one thing
Speaker 4: about me, I'm never gonna I'm never gonna break for
Speaker 4: for nothing. So you know, it was a challenge and
Speaker 4: him challenging me every day to get better.
Speaker 2: You know, it helped me a lot. And you know,
Speaker 2: going through the ship is not pretty all the time.
Speaker 2: You know, it's ugly a lot of the times. You know,
Speaker 2: it's frustrating, but he just you know, he made you
Speaker 2: want to keep pushing because he gives you love, but
Speaker 2: he pushed you in tough love. Yeah, at that age,
Speaker 2: I needed that.
Speaker 4: People don't know Rico is a big part of our
Speaker 4: success in Golden State doing what we believe he is.
Speaker 4: And he had one key saying that a lot of
Speaker 4: people didn't understand. But he said to us on the team,
Speaker 4: and they resonate quick, don't be nasty.
Speaker 3: Don't be nasty. That's what he said. Don't be nasty
Speaker 3: because you could be nasty.
Speaker 4: You could be nasty out there. Told me like, don't
Speaker 4: be nasty, bro, don't go out there and be nasty boy,
Speaker 4: And he'll let you know asap.
Speaker 2: Bro, you look nasty out there. That's nasty. What if
Speaker 2: you told me that a couple of times, Yeah, that's nasty.
Speaker 1: Dogs shout out to man's It's dope to kind of
Speaker 1: see his his journey with our journey, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Obviously he wanted to do what you know,
Speaker 1: what what we did, but he found out that wasn't
Speaker 1: his role. And you know, similar to what they was
Speaker 1: talking about earlier, Ricos found his role and worked itself
Speaker 1: up to what the second seat on the bench and
Speaker 1: in the Philadelphia this year. Yeah, you know, should be
Speaker 1: a head coach in the next two or three years.
Speaker 1: One of the best basketball minds and just motivators and
Speaker 1: good people person. I feel like coaching today is not
Speaker 1: so much about the X and O. It's about relating
Speaker 1: to these players because these dudes met mind is is
Speaker 1: this is a whole new generation. So he's such a
Speaker 1: great relator in people person. That's why I feel like
Speaker 1: any NBA team that's gonna be seeing this.
Speaker 2: He always say, he always says, be a star in
Speaker 2: your role. He's definitely a superstar in his bro Absolutely.
Speaker 4: What do you think about the training the culture of
Speaker 4: training today, Like how do you get the right balance
Speaker 4: of training and hoops?
Speaker 3: When we was growing up, I ain't trained at all.
Speaker 3: I hooped everywhere.
Speaker 4: I was a hoop And I was just saying a
Speaker 4: few minutes ago. Now they got a lot of basketball
Speaker 4: players don't have the many hoopers.
Speaker 3: What's your take on that? Well?
Speaker 2: I think, uh, I think right now they're doing a
Speaker 2: lot of playing in the summertime, Like even now they
Speaker 2: play more games than where I play period, But in
Speaker 2: the summer we hoop more. They work out more. I
Speaker 2: think the the business of the game has become so
Speaker 2: big that they started a little bit earlier with business mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Correct, So they're treating it like a business, and you
Speaker 2: know it again, that's what we all go to school
Speaker 2: for anyway.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we want to do.
Speaker 2: So the earlier you figure it out, you know, the
Speaker 2: more you put into it. So if they're treating their
Speaker 2: craft like a business and something they want to do, I.
Speaker 4: Don't see nothing wrong. Yeah, that's a great way to
Speaker 4: put it. Yeah, but it could be a bad side
Speaker 4: to that too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get to it too early. You not have
Speaker 2: the right mind, not the right you know, group of
Speaker 2: people around you could go crazy.
Speaker 4: The next draft of your second around forty third pick.
Speaker 4: I went second around forty second pick, and look how
Speaker 4: we turned out. Uh, walk walk, walk up through your experience, man,
Speaker 4: because that's sitting there a long time. Yeah, my experience
Speaker 4: a long time.
Speaker 1: I was a forty six pick. The yeah, my bad.
Speaker 1: I had a blow moment right there. I was thinking,
Speaker 1: both y'all shouting now with picks, like, damn, what pick
Speaker 1: was I?
Speaker 3: They said that?
Speaker 1: So long?
Speaker 3: Man, My experience was dope. Man.
Speaker 2: I got to experience a lot of different places. So
Speaker 2: you know, I got a lot of different understanding. I
Speaker 2: got to meet a lot of different people. It wasn't
Speaker 2: always pretty, but the experience was dope. You know, the
Speaker 2: cities that I got to play in, the majority of
Speaker 2: them was some nice ass places. I got to play
Speaker 2: in New York, I got to play in Miami, Houston, right,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I got to play in
Speaker 2: at the Crib, I got to play here. You know,
Speaker 2: I got DC.
Speaker 3: I love d C.
Speaker 2: D C is a dope place. So you know, I
Speaker 2: can't complain about nothing. But it wasn't all pretty.
Speaker 1: Talk about the talk about that first Knicks experience thought
Speaker 1: because there's some big names on that team, you know,
Speaker 1: Steph Penny, Alan Houston with Jamal Crawford was on that team.
Speaker 2: Imagine going from no dollars to everybody on your team
Speaker 2: being to honeted up, Like imagine that, you know, so
Speaker 2: it's like you're going into a completely different world. So,
Speaker 2: like I'm looking at players that you know, I'm like,
Speaker 2: damn they in the NBA, Like, oh my god, this
Speaker 2: is Stephan Marberry, Like this has been Baker, this is
Speaker 2: Tim Thomas Man, Like what the fuck is this?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: And then like you get around them and you see
Speaker 2: like how they interact, and then you realize that damn
Speaker 2: like you could. I could I fit in with them,
Speaker 2: like I can do the same thing they do, and
Speaker 2: then they all cool at the same time, like they
Speaker 2: teaching me everything, you know, because you know I did
Speaker 2: everything for him. You know, at the time, you can
Speaker 2: you can treat a rookie like a rookie at that time.
Speaker 1: Something ship. They used to have you doing anything. They
Speaker 1: used to push you off.
Speaker 2: Man, after practice, they used to pick up all the
Speaker 2: balls and they used to just launch them.
Speaker 1: Jackieou wasn't going for that though.
Speaker 3: We looked at just talking about one. Yeah, he's like
Speaker 3: myself and all of them have brand, man like make
Speaker 3: do some ship. That's just right, you know. That's what
Speaker 3: it was at the time. Unless you had Kenye Martin
Speaker 3: as your rookie duke. He wasn't gone.
Speaker 1: He so jack said, he wasn't going.
Speaker 3: I ain't got to do it. He ain't gotta do it.
Speaker 4: I ain't gotta do it, I mean, And they was
Speaker 4: kicking the bitch to the rafters, and nobody went and
Speaker 4: got him trained.
Speaker 3: The ball boys gotta go get it.
Speaker 2: Well, I was already traumatized from my first experience period. Like,
Speaker 2: I got on the plane first because I like to
Speaker 2: get everywhere early. So I got my suit on. Steph
Speaker 2: had brought me like ten suits, you know, shut step
Speaker 2: was Steph was a great realist. Yeah, so he brought
Speaker 2: me ten suits. And I'm man sharp as a motherfucker.
Speaker 2: I'm feeling sharp as baggy as fucked.
Speaker 1: But that's the style though. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I get on the plane, I eat my food,
Speaker 2: I sit down on the couch. I'm lying down. Isaiah
Speaker 2: Thomas walks by. He's like, man, congratulations, welcome. You know
Speaker 2: you go in the training camp. He walks by, he
Speaker 2: waits for everybody to get on the playing like all
Speaker 2: the players. So then he comes back up to the
Speaker 2: player section. He's like, hey, y'all, come here. So everybody
Speaker 2: gets up and come here. He goes, why the fuck
Speaker 2: is this rookie on the plane right here before all
Speaker 2: y'all sitting down eating, And then he looks at me.
Speaker 2: He says, may get the fuck off the plane and
Speaker 2: gonna help with the bags.
Speaker 3: And from that point on, I'm like, Yo, this motherfucker
Speaker 3: is for real, Like I can't funk around with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he also showed me like that he went,
Speaker 2: he would go through like he'll do anything for you.
Speaker 2: Because later on I end up having like an issue
Speaker 2: with the coach, you know, like I wanted to play.
Speaker 2: He didn't want to play me. You know, he said
Speaker 2: some things about me in the paper that I did
Speaker 2: not understand. Brown He sometimes, yeah, so, but you know
Speaker 2: they wanted to trade me. He and he said, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna trade you to a place where I know you're
Speaker 2: gonna go and play, you know, so give you opportunity.
Speaker 2: So he's as he was like hard teaching me lessons,
Speaker 2: you know, showing me like nothing was going to be
Speaker 2: given to you. He's still with somebody that looked out
Speaker 2: for me to put me in a position to where
Speaker 2: I can go show my talents. And where was that
Speaker 2: to Orlando? So I always respect and love Zeke for that.
Speaker 1: Zeke had me fucked up with y'all. I was a
Speaker 1: late training camp invite, so we were at with Charleston.
Speaker 1: So I come out there, do well in training camp.
Speaker 1: They wanted to bring me back to New York. But
Speaker 1: they have a rule that you have to wear a
Speaker 1: suit on the plane. And I'm thinking to myself, like
Speaker 1: I said, you just talked to my agent and you
Speaker 1: invited me out here two days. You know, I appreciate it,
Speaker 1: but like you never said nothing about a suit. So
Speaker 1: the whole team like scrapped together. Some one dude gave
Speaker 1: me a belt, someone else gave me a pant, someone
Speaker 1: else gave me a shirt tie. I didn't look good,
Speaker 1: but I had a motherfucking suit on and got back
Speaker 1: and then started. This team was loaded with with with
Speaker 1: a bunch of money, but dudes were hurt. So I
Speaker 1: came a late into training camp, earned a starting spot,
Speaker 1: started like the first six seven games, and got cut
Speaker 1: like that bro, probably because Nate Robinson. Though Nate Robinson,
Speaker 1: it was like Tom and Jerry. He would just always
Speaker 1: fuck with me, so you know, I'm just not gonna
Speaker 1: let it slide. So he was, you know, pouring itching
Speaker 1: powder in my tights and fucking me up, and I
Speaker 1: poured salt on his ice cream in front of everyone
Speaker 1: when he was trying to It was just it was
Speaker 1: just a wild time. He flooded the back, he flooded
Speaker 1: the showers, but I got I got blamed for it
Speaker 1: was pied, So I was just just went acting right. Nate,
Speaker 1: how competitive was those practices. Man, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: talent on that team. Bro.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: It was ultra competitive because again you still have superstars
Speaker 2: even though something you.
Speaker 1: Know, they're a little older. Yeah, Sash Penny, Yeah.
Speaker 2: You got superstars on your team and like they want,
Speaker 2: they're gonna go at you.
Speaker 1: Eddie Curry.
Speaker 3: Eddie Curry was there, Jamal was there? Was there? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kurt Thomas. I played with Kurt Thomas, man, he
Speaker 2: was like a super v.
Speaker 3: What was the what was the problem all that talent?
Speaker 3: It didn't work?
Speaker 1: Larry Brown and bring it together.
Speaker 2: It was just a lot of It was a lot
Speaker 2: of egos. It was a lot of a lot of
Speaker 2: above my pay grade at the time. Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 2: but you know, looking back, you know it's no reason
Speaker 2: why that team probably couldn't have, you know, been a
Speaker 2: real good team.
Speaker 1: For real, Orlando. Uh a young Dwight Howard talk to
Speaker 1: us about your experience and that young Dawhite Howard D.
Speaker 2: White was a monster for real, Like anything that came
Speaker 2: into paint, he was altering or he was blocking, Like
Speaker 2: if you scored in the paint, he wasn't on the
Speaker 2: court because he for sure, like around that time. He
Speaker 2: just dominated everything and he played for for Stan, and
Speaker 2: Stan was like demanding of him. Like to me, I
Speaker 2: feel like Stan helped his career the most because he
Speaker 2: demanded shit out of him.
Speaker 3: You know, he put him on a timer.
Speaker 2: Like Bro, if you go up and down the court,
Speaker 2: you don't get these rebounds in this amount of time,
Speaker 2: you're not doing your fucking job and you can't you're
Speaker 2: not helping us win.
Speaker 3: And Dwight is a competitor as.
Speaker 2: Well, so you know, he took those challenges and it
Speaker 2: helped his career.
Speaker 3: But he was good as fun.
Speaker 1: What'd you learn from staying in your time there?
Speaker 2: Stan was like attention to detail and he was like
Speaker 2: about he was no bush.
Speaker 1: Great at it.
Speaker 3: He was really good at it.
Speaker 2: Like when you're young, you don't appreciate things like that,
Speaker 2: but as you get older and understand it.
Speaker 1: I just didn't like shoot arounds.
Speaker 3: Shoot arounds.
Speaker 1: Take Bro. He used to make us wear like you
Speaker 1: had to wear pads and shoot around and you had
Speaker 1: to tape. It wasn't no quick thirty minute walks. We're
Speaker 1: running through the other team's place. Fully made.
Speaker 2: Broaknee pass and ankle tape. If you don't tape you fine,
Speaker 2: he made.
Speaker 3: He make you run.
Speaker 1: You got so hard like a gang.
Speaker 3: So when you're done, you're really going home.
Speaker 2: Take a nap because you because you fucking going balls
Speaker 2: to the wall for ninety minutes and shoot.
Speaker 1: G Hill on that team?
Speaker 2: Hill was on that G Hill Wasn't you know G Hill?
Speaker 2: I don't know G on that team. I think G
Speaker 2: Hill was for Briant Hill.
Speaker 1: Was he after?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Before oh before you got there?
Speaker 3: No, I was on his team.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, no, I'm just talking about with Grant being there.
Speaker 1: How was it like? What was it like with what
Speaker 1: with g?
Speaker 2: G was a real cool dude, Like he was very like,
Speaker 2: very like smooth the vessional, very professional, always early, always,
Speaker 2: you know, taking care of his body, you know, always
Speaker 2: in the weight room, always in training room, always shooting, talking, teaching,
Speaker 2: you know, very very like, very very like a leader,
Speaker 2: like a real real real leader. He was just a
Speaker 2: cool dude.
Speaker 1: Traded to the Lakers two thousand and seven, two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight, What was that experience like? Getting a chance
Speaker 1: to come back home play with Cold life back at home?
Speaker 4: Man, y'all lucky because not only do y'all get to
Speaker 4: come play at home, I got to play for the Lakers.
Speaker 3: That's crazy. It's like it's like being a rock star.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's nothing like it. Yeah, it's no other
Speaker 2: way to explain that. So, like anything you would imagine
Speaker 2: it being for a rock star, it's similar. And then
Speaker 2: playing with you know, the face of the league. It's
Speaker 2: just it's like it's like that much that much more so.
Speaker 2: You know, my experience was unbelieved. It was unreal, for real,
Speaker 2: Like it's unimaginable. I wouldn't believe that I could play
Speaker 2: with Kobe Bryant for real, or lamar Odham or Andrew
Speaker 2: Biden Powell, those guys. I wouldn't believe that you could
Speaker 2: put me in a position like that.
Speaker 1: But you did it and did it well. I mean,
Speaker 1: what was it like working alongside Cob and all those
Speaker 1: great players you mentioned?
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, it was it was. It was a good time.
Speaker 2: It was it was like to me, it didn't feel
Speaker 2: like pressure because I'm just out there playing, you know,
Speaker 2: doing what I'm supposed to do.
Speaker 3: So you know, we practice every day.
Speaker 2: Practices was always competitive, but it was fun too, you know,
Speaker 2: especially anywhere lo gonna be it's gonna be funny always.
Speaker 2: And Luca is a funny dude too. Yeah, you know
Speaker 2: being around Lucas is a good time as well.
Speaker 1: What did you learn from your two years with cod.
Speaker 2: I think the thing that I learned the most playing
Speaker 2: with Cob is or just being around him, like like
Speaker 2: how it was was no matter what you did outside
Speaker 2: of you know, the game, this is what matters the most.
Speaker 2: Like so everything that it takes to be good. If
Speaker 2: you don't do that, I'm not fucking with you. And
Speaker 2: I was one of those people that he didn't really
Speaker 2: have to like tell you that, you know, this is
Speaker 2: what it is. You could see it. So like he'll
Speaker 2: hit me up like four o'clock. What you're doing four
Speaker 2: in the morning though, what you're doing? I'm sleep I'm
Speaker 2: in the weight room. Come on, all right, there be
Speaker 2: in the weight room four after Like I'm doing my
Speaker 2: own thing, you know. So you know it just it
Speaker 2: made me like lock into a different space.
Speaker 1: Any crazy stories that you could tell.
Speaker 3: I got a ship turn of crazy stories.
Speaker 1: We're gonna animate it, so make it good.
Speaker 2: Nah, I got one for probably in the practice we
Speaker 2: like scrimmaging and be Shaw and him are talking shit
Speaker 2: to each other. Be Shaw one of our coaches, right,
Speaker 2: but they were teammates and he knew him for back
Speaker 2: in the time when he was playing against his pops
Speaker 2: in Italy. So uh, they talking shit to each other
Speaker 2: and I think the second team is beating us at
Speaker 2: the time, so uh being getting mad or some shit.
Speaker 2: He picks the ball up and throws that ship at
Speaker 2: the scores table. PJ is sitting on the physio ball,
Speaker 2: you know. Uh Shaw is like on the court, are
Speaker 2: sitting at the scores table during the score and it
Speaker 2: hit the bubble gum ship and it just splash everywhere.
Speaker 3: Gets He throws the ball.
Speaker 2: Back at you, motherfucker. What's upbe like that? Fuck you
Speaker 2: what you want to do? And he walks out. Five
Speaker 2: minutes lady comes back and he huggs kiss him on
Speaker 2: the head.
Speaker 1: Like you did that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's kicked it with him every day.
Speaker 2: So that's my dog real for real.
Speaker 1: I want to get like, what what did he mean
Speaker 1: to you?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: He he? I remember talking he he loved you? What
Speaker 1: what did he mean to you?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: He uh he he gave me an opportunity to play
Speaker 2: on the biggest stage.
Speaker 3: She vouched for me.
Speaker 2: I remember we were in Portland and I was coming
Speaker 2: off the bench was starting at the time, and I
Speaker 2: think Luke had maybe made a turnover at a crucial
Speaker 2: time and.
Speaker 3: He was like, Man, take this motherfuck out the game.
Speaker 3: Man put him in.
Speaker 2: And so after from that point on, like I started
Speaker 2: the rest of my time, the rest of my career.
Speaker 2: So like him vouching for me kind of just gave
Speaker 2: me the confidence that I needed to go out here
Speaker 2: and like play against the top players all the time.
Speaker 1: Your first year, you guys lose to Boston. Coach said, well,
Speaker 1: that was one of his toughest losses. Ever, how was
Speaker 1: it for you?
Speaker 2: I mean for me, I think I still was just
Speaker 2: like I mean, I like to compete. I'm used to
Speaker 2: winning my high school. We went all the time, so
Speaker 2: losing is never a sweet feeling. But I don't think
Speaker 2: I took it as hard as they did. I think
Speaker 2: I wasn't in their training camp, so you know, I
Speaker 2: was yelling with him. So that loss was hard, but
Speaker 2: it wasn't as hard as they took it. But after
Speaker 2: the game, I know, like going to the hotel, the
Speaker 2: bus was shaking, The fans were shaking our bus, throwing
Speaker 2: rocks at our shit. And we get back to the hotel,
Speaker 2: everybody goes to Kobe's room, right, we just taking shots,
Speaker 2: like talking about like how we're gonna come back next
Speaker 2: year and be better and be better and like, and
Speaker 2: once we got back to LA, he sent me a text.
Speaker 2: He said, in like a week, I'm gonna send you
Speaker 2: the blueprint to how we're gonna win this shit. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna send you everything that I need you to do.
Speaker 3: To help me.
Speaker 2: And he sent me like a text of all the
Speaker 2: shit that he wanted me to do and times when
Speaker 2: he wanted me to come fuck with him to work out.
Speaker 2: And you know, we worked throughout the summer the ship
Speaker 2: that he told me to do.
Speaker 3: I did that shit every day, twice a day, and
Speaker 3: you know we ended up winning this.
Speaker 1: So you came back next year and you face Orlando,
Speaker 1: your former team. What was that experience?
Speaker 3: Like? I loved it because I wanted to shove that
Speaker 3: shit to him, like for real.
Speaker 1: He was in their huddle, talk to shit during timeouts
Speaker 1: and everything.
Speaker 3: The whole time was on ten.
Speaker 2: Like I wanted action everybody, even though I loved them,
Speaker 2: like but still, you know they didn't think that I
Speaker 2: could play with them. So you know, I wanted to
Speaker 2: show them that y'all couldn't really fuck with me like that.
Speaker 4: It's a different feeling to play a team that either
Speaker 4: cut you or you know what I'm saying, because I
Speaker 4: did the same thing with Jersey. They cut me and
Speaker 4: I ended up playing them in the finals the next year.
Speaker 4: So that shit is sweet. It is, yeah, real sweet. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So just winning and winning on their home court was
Speaker 2: even more of a like, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: like stepping, you know, stepping.
Speaker 3: I was feeling myself. The only part that I thought that.
Speaker 2: Was, you know that I that was fucked up is
Speaker 2: that I'm watching Jamier and and the White you know,
Speaker 2: watch us win on their floor.
Speaker 3: But you know, other than that, I was like, fucking right.
Speaker 1: Uh, one the first championship, one last thing for we
Speaker 1: we move on. You shared something dope on Cod's birthday
Speaker 1: on Instagram?
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, so I think it was the next year,
Speaker 2: I get to Houston and it's preseason and I see
Speaker 2: this shot on Instagram or something. Maybe it wasn't Instagram,
Speaker 2: maybe it was Twitter or something back back whenever it was,
Speaker 2: and I sent it to him. I didn't say nothing.
Speaker 2: I just sent them the text and he said, yeah,
Speaker 2: like if I missed. That means somebody else have a
Speaker 2: good shot. But what I was saying was, damn, you're
Speaker 2: not gonna pass it the nobody. Three dudes on the right,
Speaker 2: somebody gotta be open. So yeah, but he was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they can.
Speaker 1: Get it, get it off the rim, get it off
Speaker 1: the rim.
Speaker 3: There should be a good shot.
Speaker 2: They shouldn't have a good chance of putting it back
Speaker 2: good offensive position.
Speaker 4: Correct After OH nine championship, you take a long term
Speaker 4: deal with Houston.
Speaker 2: Why LA didn't offer you the bag? Why LA didn't
Speaker 2: offer me to bang? Why they didn't offer me the back?
Speaker 2: I don't I think they were just more attracted to
Speaker 2: Ron at the time. You know, Wyant was fucking amazing player.
Speaker 2: You know he was in Houston. He we played against
Speaker 2: them around. He fucking destroyed us really, you know, t
Speaker 2: Mac was out him and y'all was, you know, doing
Speaker 2: that ship against us. So, I mean I can understand that.
Speaker 2: But you know, did I want to leave, No to
Speaker 2: my choice to leave? No, Yeah, but Houston was not
Speaker 2: a bad place, amazing place.
Speaker 3: I spent the most time there.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it was that experience like though, playing
Speaker 1: with you know, big names like that.
Speaker 3: In Houston Yeah, I love Houston. Houston was a good time.
Speaker 2: There was a great city, playing with the players that
Speaker 2: I got a chance to play with.
Speaker 3: White.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who was on that team?
Speaker 2: James, Chris Luke, Eric Gordon, j Clint, my LB was
Speaker 2: on on our team, you know, so LB, Bobby Brown,
Speaker 2: Kyle wasn't on that team.
Speaker 1: He was on the team that came back and beat us, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we popped try three one, right.
Speaker 1: We was up three to one.
Speaker 3: Bro. The part that got your cracked is when.
Speaker 2: That's the clip when yeah, Damn and DeAndre was fucking
Speaker 2: on the bench doing all this bullshit right here.
Speaker 3: That's what got you all crack.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. What were they doing? Young?
Speaker 3: Ship celebrate? Y I was up with doub right.
Speaker 1: Remember they had sat James for the fourth Yeah.
Speaker 2: They sat changed, but yeah they sat him and then
Speaker 2: you know, y'all was like waving to the crowd and
Speaker 2: Ship like it's over.
Speaker 3: Aready here? Yeah s walk them down?
Speaker 1: Walked three straight games, Bro, three straight games.
Speaker 2: Blake and DeAndre thank them they for real.
Speaker 1: I didn't know, Bro, this is the first time I'm
Speaker 1: hearing of this. I'm gonna have to investigate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen on the Jumbo tround.
Speaker 1: So everybody saw it.
Speaker 3: Everybody see this is the Rockets team, one of the
Speaker 3: best teams that never won the championship.
Speaker 2: Yes for sure. I mean we probably had the best
Speaker 2: offense to the at that time. We was top five
Speaker 2: in defense. We was really good in defense.
Speaker 1: Is that that your CP pull to ham shirt?
Speaker 3: That's your CP got hurt?
Speaker 1: Y'all give the Warriors problems.
Speaker 3: We was fucking them up.
Speaker 2: We had them really on the ropes up until he
Speaker 2: got hurt, and then we just they just turned it
Speaker 2: back on.
Speaker 3: They got life.
Speaker 2: And I feel like in series like that, that's why
Speaker 2: they have four games, because anything can happen, you know,
Speaker 2: and anything can change, like the momentum of you know,
Speaker 2: a series, and that was a shift. You know, everybody
Speaker 2: was hitting shots for their team at that point. What's
Speaker 2: what's CP and Beer beefing? I don't think they were beefing.
Speaker 2: I just think that, like they just think different. You know,
Speaker 2: they are two different minds of the game, two different geniuses.
Speaker 2: If if I could say that in different ways, Yeah,
Speaker 2: more of a more of a pit bull James, more
Speaker 2: easy going James.
Speaker 3: James.
Speaker 2: James to me is like he a killer, but he
Speaker 2: you know, he it's just hiss. That's more, you know
Speaker 2: than this than the killer.
Speaker 3: What was it?
Speaker 1: You probably played with the best, James Harden. We've all
Speaker 1: seen that that window in Houston. What was that night?
Speaker 1: Like night in night out seeing his greatness? Like some
Speaker 1: can you compare it to anybody?
Speaker 2: I guess if I could compare it to anybody watching
Speaker 2: Gilbert play.
Speaker 3: Okay, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Gilbert when he was like when he was hi, crazy, untouchable,
Speaker 2: nobody could fuck with him. So that's what I would
Speaker 2: compare like what James was doing then, because it was
Speaker 2: like triple double sixty with a sixty, he'll have sixty
Speaker 2: seventeen and like fifteen. Then he'll have forty seven, fifteen
Speaker 2: and seventeen and they'll have thirty twenty and fucking fifteen
Speaker 2: or some shit. So like just watching it, it's crazy
Speaker 2: on the court.
Speaker 3: And then like you know, like you know, dinner, go
Speaker 3: to dinner, have.
Speaker 1: A good time, Yeah you have good heston loves James,
Speaker 1: as you were saying, yes that I'll saying loving.
Speaker 2: But again, though, the thing that I love the most
Speaker 2: about him is that you don't really give a fuck
Speaker 2: about anybody else what they think about him, you know,
Speaker 2: because nobody else got to walk in the shoes. So
Speaker 2: you know, that's one thing I think that everybody should
Speaker 2: kind of pay attention to, Like you don't really regardless, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you do his thing, whether he you like him or
Speaker 2: you don't.
Speaker 3: I should be talk about your time in Washington with
Speaker 3: John wall.
Speaker 4: Wall.
Speaker 3: I love John.
Speaker 2: I love John as a point guard because he's so
Speaker 2: so fast, and he puts so much pressure on the
Speaker 2: rim at that time that like I got shots.
Speaker 3: Like everybody was getting wide open shots.
Speaker 2: You got young Brad, you got me, You got fucking
Speaker 2: hours there with me, hours, Otto Porter, so all these
Speaker 2: guys who could really shoot the ball.
Speaker 3: He was making the game so easy for him.
Speaker 1: It was fun looking back on your career, you know,
Speaker 1: your experience, your years, the teams, the opportunities, the players.
Speaker 1: What do you think about when you look back, Because
Speaker 1: most of the time we're so busy in the moment,
Speaker 1: we don't get a chance to kind of like I
Speaker 1: played eighteen years in the NBA, win a championship, play
Speaker 1: with some of the greatest players ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I try to kind of, I guess right now,
Speaker 2: still ain't hit me yet. I try to go through
Speaker 2: life or whatever, living in the moment instead of like
Speaker 2: looking back at moments. So I ain't look back at
Speaker 2: a moment.
Speaker 1: Yell, how how many years have you been?
Speaker 3: This year?
Speaker 1: Second year out, first year out, second year, second year,
Speaker 1: like going into a second year out? Yeah, miss it?
Speaker 1: Not really because he burned.
Speaker 2: Not even I sat down because my son, right, my
Speaker 2: son is really good and I ain't want to just
Speaker 2: give everything right to basketball.
Speaker 3: Yeah, say something the.
Speaker 1: Same same reason, Like I said, I retired that the
Speaker 1: year with Golden State. I still had two years left,
Speaker 1: but it was I was missing all the time with
Speaker 1: the boys burned state of the league present day, I
Speaker 1: mean kind of more of a European style, lot of versatility,
Speaker 1: which which still fits your game. You know, a younger you,
Speaker 1: what kind of work would you do in this league?
Speaker 2: I think I would be really good. I think so,
Speaker 2: especially being young. Yeah, play so many different positions, right positions,
Speaker 2: do a lot of different things. I don't think that
Speaker 2: gets enough. Well now it's getting more credit, but like
Speaker 2: earlier on, I don't think that's why.
Speaker 3: Like when you like talk about like an.
Speaker 2: Autumn quarter, like his style of player low key, like
Speaker 2: all of them players are like getting bags and stuff.
Speaker 2: The kid in Minnesota, the long kid in Minnesota, the
Speaker 2: brother in Charlotte too, right like their brothers. Oh yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: and then Bro for the Lakers. Just now who Vanderbilt?
Speaker 3: You know, I like him. I love his game.
Speaker 2: He don't even got it and he's learning how to
Speaker 2: shoot the ball too, So like players like that.
Speaker 1: That's what the game is.
Speaker 3: That's what the game is. And then you got your
Speaker 3: super talents.
Speaker 4: So that kind of bothers me though, you wait till
Speaker 4: you get to the league to learn how to shoot, Like,
Speaker 4: I just don't get that.
Speaker 3: You ain't.
Speaker 2: I guess they've been in positions where they never have
Speaker 2: to learn how to shoot.
Speaker 4: That's just but see, I think that's just a part
Speaker 4: of the game, like when you're a hooper defense shooting
Speaker 4: like that's a part of basketball. Like when did they
Speaker 4: say work on this and don't work on that. That's
Speaker 4: what I'm trying to figure out. Like when they gave
Speaker 4: us the ball, we worked on everything, hand shot defense.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Unless you played for Larry Brown,
Speaker 3: I did play for that round.
Speaker 2: Run on every get block every shot, get every rebound,
Speaker 2: and run on every play.
Speaker 3: I got it. I can't say that because my best
Speaker 3: year was with Brown. My best career year was defense
Speaker 3: in the league. Don't shoot the ball. You're supposed to
Speaker 3: listen to Wow, we didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he was. He was on his way out,
Speaker 1: then he was, he was the next It was a
Speaker 1: little different vibe with him then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, Hey, I didn't listen. I I'm just
Speaker 3: saying I didn't listen either. I didn't listen. Neither you are.
Speaker 2: And I'm not as burn as burn.
Speaker 3: It's the line I'm gonna get there. Yeah, what's going on?
Speaker 3: Somebody gotta push me over it? What I'm gonna do
Speaker 3: over there?
Speaker 1: You're not even by the birth side. You way past
Speaker 1: the mirth side of the line.
Speaker 3: You're not even gonna see. The line was fast straight through.
Speaker 1: You feel some of the better three and D guys
Speaker 1: in the game today.
Speaker 3: Uh, give me something. That's a good question. It is
Speaker 3: a good question. He was like, damn tuck, Okay, but no,
Speaker 3: you can't do that. He could score to fact some
Speaker 3: some nights talking near the house. He was in the kitchen.
Speaker 3: He can Actually you can't leave him over. So that's
Speaker 3: that's differ. What I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You can't just say that case p is good. He
Speaker 2: can shoot that thing though you really could shoot it.
Speaker 2: And he played the Herb Jones. Oh fuck, yes, Herb
Speaker 2: Jones is good. I like what he do up there.
Speaker 2: Orlean's got a nice like they got.
Speaker 4: You know how I'm putting that Aaron Gordon, that's what
Speaker 4: he wants for them, championship run.
Speaker 2: Aaron Gordon and yeah, yeah it's good. Uh well some things.
Speaker 2: Let me think about my team. I guess he didn't shoot,
Speaker 2: no threes or free throws. He struggled at the line.
Speaker 2: That's that's the only shot. He was getting this ship
Speaker 2: with three?
Speaker 3: Right? No, okay, all right, I might be getting three
Speaker 3: and D in a two way Kawhi used to make
Speaker 3: a two way player.
Speaker 4: I'm thinking two way players, three and D two ways different.
Speaker 3: Three and D yeah the square two.
Speaker 4: I'm saying three and D and two way players different. Yes, okay, okay,
Speaker 4: so three and D me you played, even say you
Speaker 4: only shoot threes. I don't shoot That's what I'm saying, Like, help.
Speaker 3: Me with that.
Speaker 1: Let's just let's just go the next question.
Speaker 4: No, help me with that. I want to know the difference.
Speaker 4: What's the difference between three and D and a two
Speaker 4: way player.
Speaker 1: So guy that I say, a guy that plays defense
Speaker 1: and primarily shoots threes. That's not the only thing he does,
Speaker 1: but he primarily shoots three. A two way guys, Jimmy Butler,
Speaker 1: he could give you whatever you want. PG.
Speaker 3: Who's boring as what three d? Okay about? Okay? Okay?
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 1: He was a two way player, absolutely not stupid, fuck
Speaker 1: out of here. Best player in the world right now.
Speaker 3: Jest, how can you go against that? Though?
Speaker 4: I will never go against So we got everything, the game,
Speaker 4: the attitude.
Speaker 1: Who is Trevor outside of basketball?
Speaker 3: A lot of different things.
Speaker 1: Man, uh, father Box, you're a monster in the business.
Speaker 1: If you don't mind share some of your I know you.
Speaker 1: I know you're a private per whole.
Speaker 4: Little click low key, his whole little click low key,
Speaker 4: the lot.
Speaker 3: You don't talk about it.
Speaker 4: But they got a nice little structure, homeboys, and they're
Speaker 4: all doing their thing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: The bars where you bobby all, y'all doing y'all live.
Speaker 1: He's invested in a bunch of he's invested in some trais,
Speaker 1: got a nice portfolio. What kind of you want to share? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know Buffalo Wild Wings is one of your big
Speaker 1: one of your bigger things, right.
Speaker 3: My whole thing.
Speaker 2: The way I try to move is like I try
Speaker 2: to move behind the scenes. So when you hear about it,
Speaker 2: you know, I ain't never gonna talk about it. I
Speaker 2: ain't never gonna like brag on it on the table,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, So that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: That's what he's doing. He's not gonna drop his dick
Speaker 1: on the table. But if you know, you know, you
Speaker 1: know you I know, y'all. I was trying to get
Speaker 1: it to see if y'all he could tell y'all, so
Speaker 1: you know, But I know, quick hitters, we've enjoyed your
Speaker 1: time today. First thing to come to mind. Let us
Speaker 1: know m J cole Bron wrink.
Speaker 3: Them uh.
Speaker 4: M J.
Speaker 3: And Kobe Woe and Brian too.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: That's my first time hearing that one. But I say,
Speaker 4: yeah one creator top five l A Born Hoopers of
Speaker 4: all time?
Speaker 2: Oh Man obviously gun By uh Man.
Speaker 3: There's too many. I feel like it would have to
Speaker 3: be like a category.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna go with Shay just like that.
Speaker 1: That's hard.
Speaker 3: That's hard, John Williams, it's good.
Speaker 1: So who is your so gunby John Williams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tayshawn forgot about and uh bat Paul, it's too
Speaker 2: many people, it's Paul. Tony Blan is one of my
Speaker 2: favorite players ever. I just like his staff. It's mindset,
Speaker 2: fucking keeling, Fortune was real good. Kenny Bruner, Kenny Bruner,
Speaker 2: Pool Jetter, l B. Hassan Adams.
Speaker 1: The list goes on and there's so many people.
Speaker 3: There's too many to name five.
Speaker 1: It's crazy how many La Hoopers came out of there.
Speaker 2: Jacobsen is crazy good. Jump call Josh Children's freaking Dejon
Speaker 2: huh man. It's all of them, be right, the real
Speaker 2: all of them. Yeah, it's a there's too many people.
Speaker 2: The name of five to Marcus Williams was fucking sick,
Speaker 2: by the way.
Speaker 1: Craig Smith, Craig.
Speaker 3: All these but all these names your name are they
Speaker 3: all time? Yeah? All time?
Speaker 1: They called like call to me all time. Chris Mills
Speaker 1: for sure. One album you could listen to my repeat Blueprint?
Speaker 1: Where were you having that album drop.
Speaker 3: On the bus at abc D camp?
Speaker 1: How was the U c l A Remember that ship
Speaker 1: got it right from that tower?
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah? Your favorite? Yeah? In Lil Wayne Wayne Dwayne.
Speaker 1: My first car.
Speaker 3: That I was able to buy.
Speaker 1: No, the first car you ever drove there was Jerkey Okay,
Speaker 1: what year two thousand? It was cool? Then he was
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 3: It was two thousand and four, in two thousand and
Speaker 3: three or something. Yeah, use nice first car that was dope.
Speaker 3: He was running good.
Speaker 1: Must have been a booster. I got yellow beer, Sam Washington, Okay,
Speaker 1: oh gee, I.
Speaker 3: Had a yellow Beatle. When you hit the Brakeston had
Speaker 3: let your hydrally's on the two door.
Speaker 1: I had a Classic. You gotta drive with your arm
Speaker 1: out the door to keep the door from flying open
Speaker 1: when you made turns. But it had the velvet interior though.
Speaker 1: That ship was soft and he used to, you know,
Speaker 1: float over the bumps so there was no shocks like
Speaker 1: if you go ahead.
Speaker 3: Top five perimeter defenders of all time.
Speaker 2: Bruce Boyne uh our tests uh early for sure, Kawhi,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go probably.
Speaker 3: Xavier McDaniel's uh. Scottie Pippen nice.
Speaker 1: Five five dinners that are alive?
Speaker 3: Huh?
Speaker 1: Five dinner guests you plus five plus table do whatever
Speaker 1: y'all do.
Speaker 3: Mike Tyson.
Speaker 1: Current mic or heavyweight champ. Mike back when he was boxing.
Speaker 3: Uh, current Mic.
Speaker 2: We got the same birthday, so I really I already
Speaker 2: know what current Mic was like.
Speaker 1: Early. Michael Black Ye, Uh, who.
Speaker 3: I say, Mike Tyson? Let me see Tupac.
Speaker 2: I would like to talk to Tupac and see what
Speaker 2: that's what you're talking about? Ship and just people that
Speaker 2: I that I work with, like my everyday people.
Speaker 1: Three more of than every day people who go get
Speaker 1: that seat. Stop trying to mask group people.
Speaker 3: That's how could you give them the.
Speaker 1: Past to do it?
Speaker 2: Cole already had I had a great time with bro
Speaker 2: So no, that would be hard. That would be a
Speaker 2: hard one. So probably not.
Speaker 3: Uh. Who else?
Speaker 2: I would probably sit down with Bezos. I would like
Speaker 2: to get him at the table. Who else, Yeah, I'll
Speaker 2: talk about some money, al Hayman and uh I need
Speaker 2: some comedy probably Will Ferrell.
Speaker 3: Mm yeah, I'll be a sick table.
Speaker 4: If you could see somebody on all the burn, I
Speaker 4: mean all the smoke, who would it be?
Speaker 3: But you have to help us get them on the sholf.
Speaker 1: Before he answered that, can you take your head off
Speaker 1: real quick?
Speaker 4: You want to see my I got this not you
Speaker 4: see I've been rubbing my head. I got this, No
Speaker 4: on my ship, the burn, oh the bird.
Speaker 3: Y'all know, I don't give a fuck. Have y'all got
Speaker 3: We would love to have James over here.
Speaker 1: I got to get the Yeah, you got to help us.
Speaker 4: I just want him to come on a Friday and
Speaker 4: we do the show on the Saturday, so I can
Speaker 4: go hang out with him Friday night.
Speaker 1: Free night.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I need that.
Speaker 1: It's a day and the life been.
Speaker 3: Hearing about it. And that's my little bro.
Speaker 4: I just ain't never get a chance of experience, and
Speaker 4: I'm a fool, my damn self.
Speaker 1: Indeed, indeed, indeed, Well, trev Man, we appreciate your time.
Speaker 1: Congratulations man. I don't think people like you because not
Speaker 1: that you even give a funk, but you beat behind
Speaker 1: the scenes. We just want to commend you man, eighteen
Speaker 1: years for champion and even more than that, the father
Speaker 1: you are. I know all the stuff you've gone through,
Speaker 1: and it's just it's dope to just kind of see
Speaker 1: this evolution of you, you know, after all these years.
Speaker 1: So proud of you, Bro.
Speaker 3: Appreciate that man for sure, not that always, Bro. Thank you.
Speaker 1: That's a wrap, Trevor, Resa all the smoke. You can
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