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Speaker 1: Welcome back all the smoke man. We're off to a

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Speaker 1: good start on the run. Okay, we got a nice

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Speaker 1: la run today. I want to welcome to the show man.

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Speaker 1: Someone I got a chance to meet early on work,

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Speaker 1: ethic Grinder. I had an eighteen year NBA career champion

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Speaker 1: father my dog my smokeing, one of my smoking buddies,

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Speaker 1: Homie Trevor reason Man, eighteen year NBA VET World champion.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean to me?

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Speaker 2: Mind me, that's it. Yeah, that's all. Just put in

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Speaker 2: my work, you know, doing what I love to do.

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Speaker 2: Made some great connections with people that I you know,

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Speaker 2: I will always bald with forever. So you know, I

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Speaker 2: got a lot out of the game. The game gave

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Speaker 2: me a lot, and I'm appreciative for it.

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Speaker 1: What's it like to these days? I mean, obviously, talk

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Speaker 1: to us about your son first and foremost, and then

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Speaker 1: we'll get back to what's isfe these days. You got

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Speaker 1: a young son that's been really doing this thing and

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Speaker 1: kind of making the name for yourself out here these

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, he's he's putting in the work for himself. Man.

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Speaker 3: He gets up early and getting in the gym. He's

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Speaker 2: You know he wants it, so just watching him go

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Speaker 2: through it is kind of like looking back in time

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Speaker 2: and seeing myself doing the same things that he's doing.

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Speaker 1: Now, what's it like as a father though, because you

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Speaker 1: know we both played. I got my boys a one

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Speaker 1: year younger than your boys, and I chose to coach

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Speaker 1: youd chose not to coach you. But you're there, very

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Speaker 1: supportive walking them through the process. What's that like, Man, It's.

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Speaker 2: It's like it's nerve wracking, but like, at the same time,

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Speaker 2: it's fulfilling, but at the same time, sometimes I'll be

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Speaker 2: wanting to strangle with Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean you were talking, we were talking in the

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Speaker 1: green room about just the mental side of it, the

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Speaker 1: mental toughness because our kids are going to have every

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Speaker 1: opportunity because of you know, how hard we worked to

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Speaker 1: get there. But that mental side, to me and we

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Speaker 1: were talking about is the biggest deal with athletes kids.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you come up different than a lot

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Speaker 2: of times than how we came up. So the privilege

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Speaker 2: in order for him to be able to actually make it,

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Speaker 2: he gotta love it himself. And that's what I'm seeing

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Speaker 2: from him, So like the grinding part, that the parts

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Speaker 2: it's never gonna be sweet, because when you're good, you

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Speaker 2: got a target on your back. When you get to

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Speaker 2: the highest level, every night, you got to turn that

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Speaker 2: shit on because it's a motherfucker that's ready to take

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Speaker 2: what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: It just sometimes just because of your last name, just

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Speaker 1: because what we did.

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Speaker 2: Right, right, That's one thing about him that I like

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Speaker 2: personal completely. So like people will be like, oh, you're

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Speaker 2: you're Trevors soon he'd be like nah, right. So you

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Speaker 2: know that confidence and him wanting to be his own

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Speaker 4: Born in Miami but raised in La. How did you

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Speaker 4: My mom wanted to be a movie star. That's fun,

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Speaker 4: that's the truth. That's how we ended up here.

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Speaker 2: My mom is a young ex spot whatever it wanted

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Speaker 1: Speaking of your mom, she's so dope. Whatever happened in

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Speaker 1: that place she took me that one night, that was

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Speaker 1: the best place I ever been in my life. And

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Speaker 1: next thing I know, it's going what happened it was?

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Speaker 1: It was too live. It ahead of his time. Fourteen fifteen. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I wouldn't do it. Definitely had a

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Speaker 2: good time. It was a good time my mom, and

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Speaker 3: What was LA like growing up as a as a kid?

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Speaker 3: A t l A For me as a kid, it

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Speaker 2: It wasn't social media, so you actually have to get

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Speaker 1: Who are some of the kids you grew up with,

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Speaker 1: we would know.

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Speaker 2: Uh pooh h Brandon Heath Bobby Brown, uh Hassan Adams,

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Speaker 2: But you know Marcus Washington, Marcus not known for basketball,

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Speaker 2: played football together. Him and my little brother were on

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Speaker 1: Football games and basketball games were live, man, it.

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Speaker 2: Was always always, always talent. I played for Inglewood Pop Winner,

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Speaker 2: all that. So we always used to compete against each other.

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Speaker 2: When did basketball find you? Basketball? Basketball came to me.

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Speaker 2: I guess I understood I had a really good chance

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Speaker 3: But I started playing basketball from the crib. Man.

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Speaker 2: My mom gave me the ball in my crib, and

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Speaker 2: from then she just pushed it, pushed it, pushed it,

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Speaker 3: So from zero. Yeah, exception from conception.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you attended l A powerhouse Westchester, Yeah, big time,

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Speaker 3: Three. Talk about good time at west Chester.

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Speaker 2: My time in Westchester, it was probably the best school,

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Speaker 2: But my time there was fun because we known for

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Speaker 2: having like the pretty girls at our school.

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Speaker 3: So oh yeah, oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: So our games used to be cracking, so everybody from

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Speaker 3: But just coming up in the school, it was it was.

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Speaker 2: It was some shipped a lot of the times, but

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Speaker 3: Legendry games and the legendary games Fairfax.

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Speaker 2: It's always legendary games against Fairfax Crenshaw. I remember we

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Speaker 2: the first quarter we was beating the ass by thirty.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, that that shit was live. It was packed.

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Speaker 2: It was good two thousand I think it was, but

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Speaker 1: Any pros on that team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was Hassan Adams, Bobby Brown, myself, Craig Smith

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Speaker 2: was on the other team.

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Speaker 3: Evan Burns the other team. He was a pro. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: What happened to him?

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Speaker 2: Man injuries probably you know, injuries talking to him, but.

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Speaker 3: He had probably the most talent out of the whole bunch.

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Speaker 3: Water too, who anybody modeled your game after?

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Speaker 2: When I was younger, I wanted to play like Penny,

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Speaker 2: t Mac and Kobe. Those were my favorite players coming up.

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Speaker 2: So those three, a combination of those three players. What

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Speaker 2: do you know about? Shay is a fucking monster agend

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Speaker 2: He's like a legend like babies that's born now. Still

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Speaker 1: So you know, yeah, we definitely know.

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Speaker 2: I got a chance to actually when I was younger

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Speaker 1: YO successful high school career, heavily recruited. You chose to

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Speaker 1: Possibly Florida? Florida was the only other school I really

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Speaker 1: I told him that I wasn't coming because I was

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Speaker 2: What's the life? Completely different? Because the coach that recruited

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Speaker 3: It was gone. I was sick about it.

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Speaker 1: Who was so who recruited you?

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Speaker 1: And then halland Hallen COM's right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, then Holland coome. It was.

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Speaker 2: That was a rough one. It was a completely different

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Speaker 2: That was a rough one. It was a completely different

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Speaker 2: style of play for me. You know, for me being

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Speaker 2: we bumped heads a lot, caught me out of class

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Speaker 2: Ryan Holland's ass was out of class or he had

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Speaker 2: to run for some reason. So he made me do

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Speaker 2: like forty five sprints or something. And the whole time

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Speaker 3: So fucker's turned red sh He was pissed. Man, he

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Speaker 3: was so mad.

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Speaker 2: But like you know, I in my head, I wanted

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Speaker 2: to like let him know that, like I'm not You're

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Speaker 2: not gonna break. There's nothing you're gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: Is that why you was one and done? How many

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Speaker 1: freshmen you know, pack ten on freshman team? You just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think that at first, I really just

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Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody used to be in there, he declared early

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Speaker 2: You know, it helped me a lot. And you know,

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Speaker 4: People don't know Rico is a big part of our

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Speaker 4: You could be nasty out there. Told me like, don't

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Speaker 1: Dogs shout out to man's It's dope to kind of

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Speaker 1: One of the best basketball minds and just motivators and

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Speaker 1: great relator in people person. That's why I feel like

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Speaker 2: He always say, he always says, be a star in

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Speaker 4: What do you think about the training the culture of

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Speaker 3: When we was growing up, I ain't trained at all.

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Speaker 3: I hooped everywhere.

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Speaker 4: I was a hoop And I was just saying a

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Speaker 3: What's your take on that? Well?

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Speaker 2: I think, uh, I think right now they're doing a

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Correct, So they're treating it like a business, and you

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Speaker 2: know it again, that's what we all go to school

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we want to do.

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Speaker 2: So the earlier you figure it out, you know, the

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Speaker 4: Don't see nothing wrong. Yeah, that's a great way to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you get to it too early. You not have

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Speaker 4: The next draft of your second around forty third pick.

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Speaker 4: I went second around forty second pick, and look how

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Speaker 4: because that's sitting there a long time. Yeah, my experience

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Speaker 1: I was a forty six pick. The yeah, my bad.

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Speaker 3: They said that?

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Speaker 1: So long?

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Speaker 3: Man, My experience was dope. Man.

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Speaker 2: I got to experience a lot of different places. So

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Speaker 2: you know, I got a lot of different understanding. I

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Speaker 2: always pretty, but the experience was dope. You know, the

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I got to play in

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Speaker 2: I got DC.

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Speaker 3: I love d C.

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Speaker 2: D C is a dope place. So you know, I

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Speaker 1: Talk about the talk about that first Knicks experience thought

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Speaker 1: because there's some big names on that team, you know,

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Speaker 2: Imagine going from no dollars to everybody on your team

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Speaker 2: like I'm looking at players that you know, I'm like,

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: And then like you get around them and you see

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Speaker 2: then they all cool at the same time, like they

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Speaker 2: teaching me everything, you know, because you know I did

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Speaker 1: Something ship. They used to have you doing anything. They

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Speaker 2: Man, after practice, they used to pick up all the

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Speaker 3: We looked at just talking about one. Yeah, he's like

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Speaker 1: He so jack said, he wasn't going.

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Speaker 3: I ain't got to do it. He ain't gotta do it.

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Speaker 4: I ain't gotta do it, I mean, And they was

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Speaker 3: The ball boys gotta go get it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was already traumatized from my first experience period. Like,

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Speaker 2: So I get on the plane, I eat my food,

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Speaker 3: And from that point on, I'm like, Yo, this motherfucker

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he also showed me like that he went,

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Speaker 2: He didn't want to play me. You know, he said

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Speaker 2: you know, showing me like nothing was going to be

440
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 2: given to you. He's still with somebody that looked out

441
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 2: for me to put me in a position to where

442
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 2: I can go show my talents. And where was that

443
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 2: to Orlando? So I always respect and love Zeke for that.

444
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: Zeke had me fucked up with y'all. I was a

445
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 1: late training camp invite, so we were at with Charleston.

446
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 1: So I come out there, do well in training camp.

447
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 1: They wanted to bring me back to New York. But

448
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 1: they have a rule that you have to wear a

449
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 1: suit on the plane. And I'm thinking to myself, like

450
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,159
Speaker 1: I said, you just talked to my agent and you

451
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 1: invited me out here two days. You know, I appreciate it,

452
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: but like you never said nothing about a suit. So

453
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: the whole team like scrapped together. Some one dude gave

454
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 1: me a belt, someone else gave me a pant, someone

455
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 1: else gave me a shirt tie. I didn't look good,

456
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 1: but I had a motherfucking suit on and got back

457
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 1: and then started. This team was loaded with with with

458
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 1: a bunch of money, but dudes were hurt. So I

459
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 1: came a late into training camp, earned a starting spot,

460
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 1: started like the first six seven games, and got cut

461
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 1: like that bro, probably because Nate Robinson. Though Nate Robinson,

462
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 1: it was like Tom and Jerry. He would just always

463
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: fuck with me, so you know, I'm just not gonna

464
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 1: let it slide. So he was, you know, pouring itching

465
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: powder in my tights and fucking me up, and I

466
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: poured salt on his ice cream in front of everyone

467
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 1: when he was trying to It was just it was

468
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 1: just a wild time. He flooded the back, he flooded

469
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: the showers, but I got I got blamed for it

470
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,959
Speaker 1: was pied, So I was just just went acting right. Nate,

471
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: how competitive was those practices. Man, there's a lot of

472
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: talent on that team. Bro.

473
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 3: It was.

474
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 2: It was ultra competitive because again you still have superstars

475
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 2: even though something you.

476
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 1: Know, they're a little older. Yeah, Sash Penny, Yeah.

477
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 2: You got superstars on your team and like they want,

478
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 2: they're gonna go at you.

479
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: Eddie Curry.

480
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 3: Eddie Curry was there, Jamal was there? Was there? Yeah?

481
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kurt Thomas. I played with Kurt Thomas, man, he

482
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 2: was like a super v.

483
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 3: What was the what was the problem all that talent?

484
00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 3: It didn't work?

485
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: Larry Brown and bring it together.

486
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 2: It was just a lot of It was a lot

487
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 2: of egos. It was a lot of a lot of

488
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 2: above my pay grade at the time. Yeah, I don't know,

489
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 2: but you know, looking back, you know it's no reason

490
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 2: why that team probably couldn't have, you know, been a

491
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: real good team.

492
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 1: For real, Orlando. Uh a young Dwight Howard talk to

493
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: us about your experience and that young Dawhite Howard D.

494
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 2: White was a monster for real, Like anything that came

495
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 2: into paint, he was altering or he was blocking, Like

496
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 2: if you scored in the paint, he wasn't on the

497
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 2: court because he for sure, like around that time. He

498
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 2: just dominated everything and he played for for Stan, and

499
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 2: Stan was like demanding of him. Like to me, I

500
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 2: feel like Stan helped his career the most because he

501
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 2: demanded shit out of him.

502
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 3: You know, he put him on a timer.

503
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 2: Like Bro, if you go up and down the court,

504
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 2: you don't get these rebounds in this amount of time,

505
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: you're not doing your fucking job and you can't you're

506
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: not helping us win.

507
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 3: And Dwight is a competitor as.

508
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 2: Well, so you know, he took those challenges and it

509
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:08,959
Speaker 2: helped his career.

510
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 3: But he was good as fun.

511
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: What'd you learn from staying in your time there?

512
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 2: Stan was like attention to detail and he was like

513
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: about he was no bush.

514
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: Great at it.

515
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 3: He was really good at it.

516
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 2: Like when you're young, you don't appreciate things like that,

517
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 2: but as you get older and understand it.

518
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: I just didn't like shoot arounds.

519
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 3: Shoot arounds.

520
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: Take Bro. He used to make us wear like you

521
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: had to wear pads and shoot around and you had

522
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: to tape. It wasn't no quick thirty minute walks. We're

523
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: running through the other team's place. Fully made.

524
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 2: Broaknee pass and ankle tape. If you don't tape you fine,

525
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 2: he made.

526
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 3: He make you run.

527
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: You got so hard like a gang.

528
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 3: So when you're done, you're really going home.

529
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 2: Take a nap because you because you fucking going balls

530
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: to the wall for ninety minutes and shoot.

531
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: G Hill on that team?

532
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 2: Hill was on that G Hill Wasn't you know G Hill?

533
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 2: I don't know G on that team. I think G

534
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: Hill was for Briant Hill.

535
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: Was he after?

536
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 3: No?

537
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: Before oh before you got there?

538
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 3: No, I was on his team.

539
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, no, I'm just talking about with Grant being there.

540
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: How was it like? What was it like with what

541
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: with g?

542
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 2: G was a real cool dude, Like he was very like,

543
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 2: very like smooth the vessional, very professional, always early, always,

544
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: you know, taking care of his body, you know, always

545
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 2: in the weight room, always in training room, always shooting, talking, teaching,

546
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 2: you know, very very like, very very like a leader,

547
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 2: like a real real real leader. He was just a

548
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 2: cool dude.

549
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: Traded to the Lakers two thousand and seven, two thousand

550
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: and eight, What was that experience like? Getting a chance

551
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: to come back home play with Cold life back at home?

552
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 4: Man, y'all lucky because not only do y'all get to

553
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 4: come play at home, I got to play for the Lakers.

554
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 3: That's crazy. It's like it's like being a rock star.

555
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's nothing like it. Yeah, it's no other

556
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 2: way to explain that. So, like anything you would imagine

557
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 2: it being for a rock star, it's similar. And then

558
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: playing with you know, the face of the league. It's

559
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 2: just it's like it's like that much that much more so.

560
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 2: You know, my experience was unbelieved. It was unreal, for real,

561
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 2: Like it's unimaginable. I wouldn't believe that I could play

562
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 2: with Kobe Bryant for real, or lamar Odham or Andrew

563
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: Biden Powell, those guys. I wouldn't believe that you could

564
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: put me in a position like that.

565
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: But you did it and did it well. I mean,

566
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: what was it like working alongside Cob and all those

567
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: great players you mentioned?

568
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, it was it was. It was a good time.

569
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: It was it was like to me, it didn't feel

570
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 2: like pressure because I'm just out there playing, you know,

571
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: doing what I'm supposed to do.

572
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 3: So you know, we practice every day.

573
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: Practices was always competitive, but it was fun too, you know,

574
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 2: especially anywhere lo gonna be it's gonna be funny always.

575
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 2: And Luca is a funny dude too. Yeah, you know

576
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: being around Lucas is a good time as well.

577
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: What did you learn from your two years with cod.

578
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: I think the thing that I learned the most playing

579
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 2: with Cob is or just being around him, like like

580
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 2: how it was was no matter what you did outside

581
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,959
Speaker 2: of you know, the game, this is what matters the most.

582
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: Like so everything that it takes to be good. If

583
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: you don't do that, I'm not fucking with you. And

584
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: I was one of those people that he didn't really

585
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: have to like tell you that, you know, this is

586
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: what it is. You could see it. So like he'll

587
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: hit me up like four o'clock. What you're doing four

588
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: in the morning though, what you're doing? I'm sleep I'm

589
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: in the weight room. Come on, all right, there be

590
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: in the weight room four after Like I'm doing my

591
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: own thing, you know. So you know it just it

592
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: made me like lock into a different space.

593
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: Any crazy stories that you could tell.

594
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 3: I got a ship turn of crazy stories.

595
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: We're gonna animate it, so make it good.

596
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 2: Nah, I got one for probably in the practice we

597
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 2: like scrimmaging and be Shaw and him are talking shit

598
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 2: to each other. Be Shaw one of our coaches, right,

599
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 2: but they were teammates and he knew him for back

600
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: in the time when he was playing against his pops

601
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: in Italy. So uh, they talking shit to each other

602
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: and I think the second team is beating us at

603
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: the time, so uh being getting mad or some shit.

604
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: He picks the ball up and throws that ship at

605
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 2: the scores table. PJ is sitting on the physio ball,

606
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: you know. Uh Shaw is like on the court, are

607
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 2: sitting at the scores table during the score and it

608
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: hit the bubble gum ship and it just splash everywhere.

609
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 3: Gets He throws the ball.

610
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: Back at you, motherfucker. What's upbe like that? Fuck you

611
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: what you want to do? And he walks out. Five

612
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 2: minutes lady comes back and he huggs kiss him on

613
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 2: the head.

614
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: Like you did that?

615
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's kicked it with him every day.

616
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: So that's my dog real for real.

617
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: I want to get like, what what did he mean

618
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: to you?

619
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 3: Like?

620
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: He he? I remember talking he he loved you? What

621
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,479
Speaker 1: what did he mean to you?

622
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 3: Man?

623
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 2: He uh he he gave me an opportunity to play

624
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: on the biggest stage.

625
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 3: She vouched for me.

626
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: I remember we were in Portland and I was coming

627
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: off the bench was starting at the time, and I

628
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: think Luke had maybe made a turnover at a crucial

629
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: time and.

630
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 3: He was like, Man, take this motherfuck out the game.

631
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 3: Man put him in.

632
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: And so after from that point on, like I started

633
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: the rest of my time, the rest of my career.

634
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 2: So like him vouching for me kind of just gave

635
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,479
Speaker 2: me the confidence that I needed to go out here

636
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: and like play against the top players all the time.

637
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: Your first year, you guys lose to Boston. Coach said, well,

638
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: that was one of his toughest losses. Ever, how was

639
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:33,239
Speaker 1: it for you?

640
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 2: I mean for me, I think I still was just

641
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: like I mean, I like to compete. I'm used to

642
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: winning my high school. We went all the time, so

643
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: losing is never a sweet feeling. But I don't think

644
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: I took it as hard as they did. I think

645
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 2: I wasn't in their training camp, so you know, I

646
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: was yelling with him. So that loss was hard, but

647
00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: it wasn't as hard as they took it. But after

648
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 2: the game, I know, like going to the hotel, the

649
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 2: bus was shaking, The fans were shaking our bus, throwing

650
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: rocks at our shit. And we get back to the hotel,

651
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 2: everybody goes to Kobe's room, right, we just taking shots,

652
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 2: like talking about like how we're gonna come back next

653
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: year and be better and be better and like, and

654
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: once we got back to LA, he sent me a text.

655
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: He said, in like a week, I'm gonna send you

656
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: the blueprint to how we're gonna win this shit. I'm

657
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: gonna send you everything that I need you to do.

658
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 3: To help me.

659
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: And he sent me like a text of all the

660
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: shit that he wanted me to do and times when

661
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: he wanted me to come fuck with him to work out.

662
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 2: And you know, we worked throughout the summer the ship

663
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: that he told me to do.

664
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 3: I did that shit every day, twice a day, and

665
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 3: you know we ended up winning this.

666
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: So you came back next year and you face Orlando,

667
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: your former team. What was that experience?

668
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 3: Like? I loved it because I wanted to shove that

669
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 3: shit to him, like for real.

670
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: He was in their huddle, talk to shit during timeouts

671
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: and everything.

672
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 3: The whole time was on ten.

673
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: Like I wanted action everybody, even though I loved them,

674
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: like but still, you know they didn't think that I

675
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: could play with them. So you know, I wanted to

676
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 2: show them that y'all couldn't really fuck with me like that.

677
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 4: It's a different feeling to play a team that either

678
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 4: cut you or you know what I'm saying, because I

679
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 4: did the same thing with Jersey. They cut me and

680
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 4: I ended up playing them in the finals the next year.

681
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 4: So that shit is sweet. It is, yeah, real sweet. Yeah.

682
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: So just winning and winning on their home court was

683
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: even more of a like, you know what I'm saying,

684
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: like stepping, you know, stepping.

685
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 3: I was feeling myself. The only part that I thought that.

686
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 2: Was, you know that I that was fucked up is

687
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: that I'm watching Jamier and and the White you know,

688
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: watch us win on their floor.

689
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 3: But you know, other than that, I was like, fucking right.

690
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: Uh, one the first championship, one last thing for we

691
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: we move on. You shared something dope on Cod's birthday

692
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: on Instagram?

693
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, so I think it was the next year,

694
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 2: I get to Houston and it's preseason and I see

695
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 2: this shot on Instagram or something. Maybe it wasn't Instagram,

696
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: maybe it was Twitter or something back back whenever it was,

697
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 2: and I sent it to him. I didn't say nothing.

698
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: I just sent them the text and he said, yeah,

699
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 2: like if I missed. That means somebody else have a

700
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: good shot. But what I was saying was, damn, you're

701
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 2: not gonna pass it the nobody. Three dudes on the right,

702
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 2: somebody gotta be open. So yeah, but he was like, yeah,

703
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: they can.

704
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 1: Get it, get it off the rim, get it off

705
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: the rim.

706
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 3: There should be a good shot.

707
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 2: They shouldn't have a good chance of putting it back

708
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 2: good offensive position.

709
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 4: Correct After OH nine championship, you take a long term

710
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 4: deal with Houston.

711
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 2: Why LA didn't offer you the bag? Why LA didn't

712
00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: offer me to bang? Why they didn't offer me the back?

713
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: I don't I think they were just more attracted to

714
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 2: Ron at the time. You know, Wyant was fucking amazing player.

715
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 2: You know he was in Houston. He we played against

716
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 2: them around. He fucking destroyed us really, you know, t

717
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: Mac was out him and y'all was, you know, doing

718
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: that ship against us. So, I mean I can understand that.

719
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: But you know, did I want to leave, No to

720
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 2: my choice to leave? No, Yeah, but Houston was not

721
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: a bad place, amazing place.

722
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 3: I spent the most time there.

723
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it was that experience like though, playing

724
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 1: with you know, big names like that.

725
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 3: In Houston Yeah, I love Houston. Houston was a good time.

726
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 2: There was a great city, playing with the players that

727
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: I got a chance to play with.

728
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 3: White.

729
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, who was on that team?

730
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: James, Chris Luke, Eric Gordon, j Clint, my LB was

731
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 2: on on our team, you know, so LB, Bobby Brown,

732
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 2: Kyle wasn't on that team.

733
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: He was on the team that came back and beat us, right.

734
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, we popped try three one, right.

735
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: We was up three to one.

736
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 3: Bro. The part that got your cracked is when.

737
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: That's the clip when yeah, Damn and DeAndre was fucking

738
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: on the bench doing all this bullshit right here.

739
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 3: That's what got you all crack.

740
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. What were they doing? Young?

741
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: Ship celebrate? Y I was up with doub right.

742
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: Remember they had sat James for the fourth Yeah.

743
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: They sat changed, but yeah they sat him and then

744
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 2: you know, y'all was like waving to the crowd and

745
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,919
Speaker 2: Ship like it's over.

746
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:43,959
Speaker 3: Aready here? Yeah s walk them down?

747
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: Walked three straight games, Bro, three straight games.

748
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 2: Blake and DeAndre thank them they for real.

749
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: I didn't know, Bro, this is the first time I'm

750
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: hearing of this. I'm gonna have to investigate.

751
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen on the Jumbo tround.

752
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: So everybody saw it.

753
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 3: Everybody see this is the Rockets team, one of the

754
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 3: best teams that never won the championship.

755
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: Yes for sure. I mean we probably had the best

756
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: offense to the at that time. We was top five

757
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: in defense. We was really good in defense.

758
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: Is that that your CP pull to ham shirt?

759
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 3: That's your CP got hurt?

760
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: Y'all give the Warriors problems.

761
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 3: We was fucking them up.

762
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: We had them really on the ropes up until he

763
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 2: got hurt, and then we just they just turned it

764
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: back on.

765
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 3: They got life.

766
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,959
Speaker 2: And I feel like in series like that, that's why

767
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: they have four games, because anything can happen, you know,

768
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 2: and anything can change, like the momentum of you know,

769
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: a series, and that was a shift. You know, everybody

770
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 2: was hitting shots for their team at that point. What's

771
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 2: what's CP and Beer beefing? I don't think they were beefing.

772
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: I just think that, like they just think different. You know,

773
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: they are two different minds of the game, two different geniuses.

774
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 2: If if I could say that in different ways, Yeah,

775
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: more of a more of a pit bull James, more

776
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 2: easy going James.

777
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 3: James.

778
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 2: James to me is like he a killer, but he

779
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: you know, he it's just hiss. That's more, you know

780
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 2: than this than the killer.

781
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 3: What was it?

782
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 1: You probably played with the best, James Harden. We've all

783
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: seen that that window in Houston. What was that night?

784
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: Like night in night out seeing his greatness? Like some

785
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: can you compare it to anybody?

786
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 2: I guess if I could compare it to anybody watching

787
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 2: Gilbert play.

788
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 3: Okay, you know what I'm saying.

789
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 2: Gilbert when he was like when he was hi, crazy, untouchable,

790
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: nobody could fuck with him. So that's what I would

791
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 2: compare like what James was doing then, because it was

792
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: like triple double sixty with a sixty, he'll have sixty

793
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 2: seventeen and like fifteen. Then he'll have forty seven, fifteen

794
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: and seventeen and they'll have thirty twenty and fucking fifteen

795
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 2: or some shit. So like just watching it, it's crazy

796
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: on the court.

797
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 3: And then like you know, like you know, dinner, go

798
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 3: to dinner, have.

799
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: A good time, Yeah you have good heston loves James,

800
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: as you were saying, yes that I'll saying loving.

801
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 2: But again, though, the thing that I love the most

802
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: about him is that you don't really give a fuck

803
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 2: about anybody else what they think about him, you know,

804
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 2: because nobody else got to walk in the shoes. So

805
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 2: you know, that's one thing I think that everybody should

806
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: kind of pay attention to, Like you don't really regardless, Yeah,

807
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: you do his thing, whether he you like him or

808
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 2: you don't.

809
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 3: I should be talk about your time in Washington with

810
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 3: John wall.

811
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 4: Wall.

812
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 3: I love John.

813
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: I love John as a point guard because he's so

814
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 2: so fast, and he puts so much pressure on the

815
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 2: rim at that time that like I got shots.

816
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 3: Like everybody was getting wide open shots.

817
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 2: You got young Brad, you got me, You got fucking

818
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 2: hours there with me, hours, Otto Porter, so all these

819
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 2: guys who could really shoot the ball.

820
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 3: He was making the game so easy for him.

821
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: It was fun looking back on your career, you know,

822
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: your experience, your years, the teams, the opportunities, the players.

823
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: What do you think about when you look back, Because

824
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: most of the time we're so busy in the moment,

825
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: we don't get a chance to kind of like I

826
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: played eighteen years in the NBA, win a championship, play

827
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 1: with some of the greatest players ever.

828
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I try to kind of, I guess right now,

829
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 2: still ain't hit me yet. I try to go through

830
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: life or whatever, living in the moment instead of like

831
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: looking back at moments. So I ain't look back at

832
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:01,479
Speaker 2: a moment.

833
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: Yell, how how many years have you been?

834
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 3: This year?

835
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 1: Second year out, first year out, second year, second year,

836
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: like going into a second year out? Yeah, miss it?

837
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: Not really because he burned.

838
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 2: Not even I sat down because my son, right, my

839
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: son is really good and I ain't want to just

840
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 2: give everything right to basketball.

841
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, say something the.

842
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: Same same reason, Like I said, I retired that the

843
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: year with Golden State. I still had two years left,

844
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: but it was I was missing all the time with

845
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: the boys burned state of the league present day, I

846
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: mean kind of more of a European style, lot of versatility,

847
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: which which still fits your game. You know, a younger you,

848
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: what kind of work would you do in this league?

849
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 2: I think I would be really good. I think so,

850
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 2: especially being young. Yeah, play so many different positions, right positions,

851
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 2: do a lot of different things. I don't think that

852
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: gets enough. Well now it's getting more credit, but like

853
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: earlier on, I don't think that's why.

854
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 3: Like when you like talk about like an.

855
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 2: Autumn quarter, like his style of player low key, like

856
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 2: all of them players are like getting bags and stuff.

857
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: The kid in Minnesota, the long kid in Minnesota, the

858
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 2: brother in Charlotte too, right like their brothers. Oh yeah yeah,

859
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: and then Bro for the Lakers. Just now who Vanderbilt?

860
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 3: You know, I like him. I love his game.

861
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: He don't even got it and he's learning how to

862
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: shoot the ball too, So like players like that.

863
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: That's what the game is.

864
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 3: That's what the game is. And then you got your

865
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 3: super talents.

866
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 4: So that kind of bothers me though, you wait till

867
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 4: you get to the league to learn how to shoot, Like,

868
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 4: I just don't get that.

869
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 3: You ain't.

870
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 2: I guess they've been in positions where they never have

871
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 2: to learn how to shoot.

872
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 4: That's just but see, I think that's just a part

873
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 4: of the game, like when you're a hooper defense shooting

874
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 4: like that's a part of basketball. Like when did they

875
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 4: say work on this and don't work on that. That's

876
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 4: what I'm trying to figure out. Like when they gave

877
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 4: us the ball, we worked on everything, hand shot defense.

878
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Unless you played for Larry Brown,

879
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 3: I did play for that round.

880
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 2: Run on every get block every shot, get every rebound,

881
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: and run on every play.

882
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 3: I got it. I can't say that because my best

883
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 3: year was with Brown. My best career year was defense

884
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 3: in the league. Don't shoot the ball. You're supposed to

885
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 3: listen to Wow, we didn't.

886
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he was. He was on his way out,

887
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: then he was, he was the next It was a

888
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: little different vibe with him then.

889
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, Hey, I didn't listen. I I'm just

890
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 3: saying I didn't listen either. I didn't listen. Neither you are.

891
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 2: And I'm not as burn as burn.

892
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 3: It's the line I'm gonna get there. Yeah, what's going on?

893
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 3: Somebody gotta push me over it? What I'm gonna do

894
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 3: over there?

895
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: You're not even by the birth side. You way past

896
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: the mirth side of the line.

897
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 3: You're not even gonna see. The line was fast straight through.

898
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: You feel some of the better three and D guys

899
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,439
Speaker 1: in the game today.

900
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 3: Uh, give me something. That's a good question. It is

901
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 3: a good question. He was like, damn tuck, Okay, but no,

902
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 3: you can't do that. He could score to fact some

903
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 3: some nights talking near the house. He was in the kitchen.

904
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 3: He can Actually you can't leave him over. So that's

905
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 3: that's differ. What I'm saying.

906
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 2: You can't just say that case p is good. He

907
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 2: can shoot that thing though you really could shoot it.

908
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 2: And he played the Herb Jones. Oh fuck, yes, Herb

909
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 2: Jones is good. I like what he do up there.

910
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 2: Orlean's got a nice like they got.

911
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 4: You know how I'm putting that Aaron Gordon, that's what

912
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 4: he wants for them, championship run.

913
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: Aaron Gordon and yeah, yeah it's good. Uh well some things.

914
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 2: Let me think about my team. I guess he didn't shoot,

915
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 2: no threes or free throws. He struggled at the line.

916
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 2: That's that's the only shot. He was getting this ship

917
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 2: with three?

918
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 3: Right? No, okay, all right, I might be getting three

919
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 3: and D in a two way Kawhi used to make

920
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 3: a two way player.

921
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 4: I'm thinking two way players, three and D two ways different.

922
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 3: Three and D yeah the square two.

923
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 4: I'm saying three and D and two way players different. Yes, okay, okay,

924
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 4: so three and D me you played, even say you

925
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 4: only shoot threes. I don't shoot That's what I'm saying, Like, help.

926
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 3: Me with that.

927
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: Let's just let's just go the next question.

928
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 4: No, help me with that. I want to know the difference.

929
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 4: What's the difference between three and D and a two

930
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 4: way player.

931
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: So guy that I say, a guy that plays defense

932
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: and primarily shoots threes. That's not the only thing he does,

933
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: but he primarily shoots three. A two way guys, Jimmy Butler,

934
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: he could give you whatever you want. PG.

935
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:09,959
Speaker 3: Who's boring as what three d? Okay about? Okay? Okay?

936
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 3: He was.

937
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: He was a two way player, absolutely not stupid, fuck

938
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: out of here. Best player in the world right now.

939
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 3: Jest, how can you go against that? Though?

940
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 4: I will never go against So we got everything, the game,

941
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 4: the attitude.

942
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: Who is Trevor outside of basketball?

943
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 3: A lot of different things.

944
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: Man, uh, father Box, you're a monster in the business.

945
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: If you don't mind share some of your I know you.

946
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: I know you're a private per whole.

947
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 4: Little click low key, his whole little click low key,

948
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 4: the lot.

949
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 3: You don't talk about it.

950
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 4: But they got a nice little structure, homeboys, and they're

951
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 4: all doing their thing, you know what I'm saying.

952
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 3: The bars where you bobby all, y'all doing y'all live.

953
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 1: He's invested in a bunch of he's invested in some trais,

954
00:46:55,320 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: got a nice portfolio. What kind of you want to share? Yeah,

955
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: I know Buffalo Wild Wings is one of your big

956
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: one of your bigger things, right.

957
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 3: My whole thing.

958
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: The way I try to move is like I try

959
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 2: to move behind the scenes. So when you hear about it,

960
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: you know, I ain't never gonna talk about it. I

961
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: ain't never gonna like brag on it on the table,

962
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,919
Speaker 2: you know, you know, So that's what I'm doing.

963
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 1: That's what he's doing. He's not gonna drop his dick

964
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: on the table. But if you know, you know, you

965
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: know you I know, y'all. I was trying to get

966
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: it to see if y'all he could tell y'all, so

967
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: you know, But I know, quick hitters, we've enjoyed your

968
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: time today. First thing to come to mind. Let us

969
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: know m J cole Bron wrink.

970
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 3: Them uh.

971
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 4: M J.

972
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 3: And Kobe Woe and Brian too.

973
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

974
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 4: That's my first time hearing that one. But I say,

975
00:47:55,480 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 4: yeah one creator top five l A Born Hoopers of

976
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 4: all time?

977
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 2: Oh Man obviously gun By uh Man.

978
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 3: There's too many. I feel like it would have to

979
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 3: be like a category.

980
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna go with Shay just like that.

981
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: That's hard.

982
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 3: That's hard, John Williams, it's good.

983
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: So who is your so gunby John Williams.

984
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tayshawn forgot about and uh bat Paul, it's too

985
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 2: many people, it's Paul. Tony Blan is one of my

986
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: favorite players ever. I just like his staff. It's mindset,

987
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 2: fucking keeling, Fortune was real good. Kenny Bruner, Kenny Bruner,

988
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 2: Pool Jetter, l B. Hassan Adams.

989
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: The list goes on and there's so many people.

990
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 3: There's too many to name five.

991
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: It's crazy how many La Hoopers came out of there.

992
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 2: Jacobsen is crazy good. Jump call Josh Children's freaking Dejon

993
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 2: huh man. It's all of them, be right, the real

994
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 2: all of them. Yeah, it's a there's too many people.

995
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 2: The name of five to Marcus Williams was fucking sick,

996
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 2: by the way.

997
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: Craig Smith, Craig.

998
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 3: All these but all these names your name are they

999
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 3: all time? Yeah? All time?

1000
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 1: They called like call to me all time. Chris Mills

1001
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: for sure. One album you could listen to my repeat Blueprint?

1002
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: Where were you having that album drop.

1003
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 3: On the bus at abc D camp?

1004
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: How was the U c l A Remember that ship

1005
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: got it right from that tower?

1006
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah? Your favorite? Yeah? In Lil Wayne Wayne Dwayne.

1007
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: My first car.

1008
00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 3: That I was able to buy.

1009
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: No, the first car you ever drove there was Jerkey Okay,

1010
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 1: what year two thousand? It was cool? Then he was

1011
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: all right.

1012
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 3: It was two thousand and four, in two thousand and

1013
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 3: three or something. Yeah, use nice first car that was dope.

1014
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 3: He was running good.

1015
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: Must have been a booster. I got yellow beer, Sam Washington, Okay,

1016
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: oh gee, I.

1017
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 3: Had a yellow Beatle. When you hit the Brakeston had

1018
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 3: let your hydrally's on the two door.

1019
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: I had a Classic. You gotta drive with your arm

1020
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,919
Speaker 1: out the door to keep the door from flying open

1021
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: when you made turns. But it had the velvet interior though.

1022
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: That ship was soft and he used to, you know,

1023
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: float over the bumps so there was no shocks like

1024
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: if you go ahead.

1025
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 3: Top five perimeter defenders of all time.

1026
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 2: Bruce Boyne uh our tests uh early for sure, Kawhi,

1027
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go probably.

1028
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 3: Xavier McDaniel's uh. Scottie Pippen nice.

1029
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: Five five dinners that are alive?

1030
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 3: Huh?

1031
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: Five dinner guests you plus five plus table do whatever

1032
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: y'all do.

1033
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 3: Mike Tyson.

1034
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: Current mic or heavyweight champ. Mike back when he was boxing.

1035
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 3: Uh, current Mic.

1036
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 2: We got the same birthday, so I really I already

1037
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 2: know what current Mic was like.

1038
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 1: Early. Michael Black Ye, Uh, who.

1039
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 3: I say, Mike Tyson? Let me see Tupac.

1040
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 2: I would like to talk to Tupac and see what

1041
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 2: that's what you're talking about? Ship and just people that

1042
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: I that I work with, like my everyday people.

1043
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: Three more of than every day people who go get

1044
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: that seat. Stop trying to mask group people.

1045
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 3: That's how could you give them the.

1046
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: Past to do it?

1047
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 2: Cole already had I had a great time with bro

1048
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 2: So no, that would be hard. That would be a

1049
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: hard one. So probably not.

1050
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 3: Uh. Who else?

1051
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 2: I would probably sit down with Bezos. I would like

1052
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 2: to get him at the table. Who else, Yeah, I'll

1053
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 2: talk about some money, al Hayman and uh I need

1054
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 2: some comedy probably Will Ferrell.

1055
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 3: Mm yeah, I'll be a sick table.

1056
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 4: If you could see somebody on all the burn, I

1057
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 4: mean all the smoke, who would it be?

1058
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 3: But you have to help us get them on the sholf.

1059
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: Before he answered that, can you take your head off

1060
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:45,919
Speaker 1: real quick?

1061
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 4: You want to see my I got this not you

1062
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 4: see I've been rubbing my head. I got this, No

1063
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,479
Speaker 4: on my ship, the burn, oh the bird.

1064
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 3: Y'all know, I don't give a fuck. Have y'all got

1065
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 3: We would love to have James over here.

1066
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 1: I got to get the Yeah, you got to help us.

1067
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 4: I just want him to come on a Friday and

1068
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 4: we do the show on the Saturday, so I can

1069
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 4: go hang out with him Friday night.

1070
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: Free night.

1071
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. I need that.

1072
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: It's a day and the life been.

1073
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 3: Hearing about it. And that's my little bro.

1074
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 4: I just ain't never get a chance of experience, and

1075
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 4: I'm a fool, my damn self.

1076
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: Indeed, indeed, indeed, Well, trev Man, we appreciate your time.

1077
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: Congratulations man. I don't think people like you because not

1078
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: that you even give a funk, but you beat behind

1079
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: the scenes. We just want to commend you man, eighteen

1080
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,959
Speaker 1: years for champion and even more than that, the father

1081
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: you are. I know all the stuff you've gone through,

1082
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: and it's just it's dope to just kind of see

1083
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,479
Speaker 1: this evolution of you, you know, after all these years.

1084
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: So proud of you, Bro.

1085
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 3: Appreciate that man for sure, not that always, Bro. Thank you.

1086
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: That's a wrap, Trevor, Resa all the smoke. You can

1087
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,959
Speaker 1: catch us on Showtime Basketball, YouTube and now I hard

1088
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 1: platform black effects