Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast drinks Lacroix like a little Welcome,
Speaker 1: I mean, in today's day and age too, especially inappropriate.
Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan hans As I am joined in
Speaker 1: a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Wesley, and
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal. What is up you little bit? Hey? Dan?
Speaker 1: Now we gotta beat you out. It's not so much
Speaker 1: the drinking of that product. It's just that that you
Speaker 1: put a straw into such a small can A little
Speaker 1: it's a little you know, they would say it's a
Speaker 1: little it's a little flourish, slightly dainty. But I think
Speaker 1: you're going to say it feels that um perry a
Speaker 1: one or whatever. That's like even a smaller bottle than
Speaker 1: the scale of one to one. How orchestral it is
Speaker 1: it to have a little tiny straw in your little
Speaker 1: Are you asking me if it's a manufactured joke. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's that funny joke. I mean it just
Speaker 1: seems like something that you I do use paper shows
Speaker 1: now an I'm looking a plastic one right now. Well
Speaker 1: that's Starbucks that's on that. But today's show, forget about
Speaker 1: all that who cares about that? That's just how I drink.
Speaker 1: Let's slide off that topic. We have things to talk
Speaker 1: about the NFL. It keeps moving as we close in
Speaker 1: on the super Bowl. It is less than a month away, um,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna get to the next round of the playoffs,
Speaker 1: the divisional round on tomorrow's show. But today's show, our
Speaker 1: Wednesday show, we will be focusing on the coaches Carausel
Speaker 1: because Greg, it was a little quiet, you know, entering uh,
Speaker 1: the weekend of through Sunday even and then the last
Speaker 1: seventy two hours or so we are flying. It was
Speaker 1: almost as if all the agents and the executives said,
Speaker 1: let's set up their Wednesday podcast perfectly by dropping all
Speaker 1: that news right before it. Yes, so we as you know,
Speaker 1: there are eight job openings, or there were. They are
Speaker 1: filling up fast and furious. In fact, they think there's
Speaker 1: just although some things you still have to cross, the
Speaker 1: teas dot, the eyes on contract. I think we're all
Speaker 1: only done to three teams, really, Greg, that we don't
Speaker 1: know who their head coach would be. So we're getting there.
Speaker 1: And Mark, I thought it was too my off the Bungles,
Speaker 1: the Dolphins and the Jets. Are you right, You're essentially
Speaker 1: not Mark budd He forgets about the bengk Yes, you
Speaker 1: ready to get into because we're gonna start with your team.
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Because the Cleveland Browns just this morning
Speaker 1: made it official they will promote Freddie Kitchens. They like
Speaker 1: what they know in that Kitchens, and they say keep
Speaker 1: him around. They promote Freddie from offensive coordinator to head coach. Uh.
Speaker 1: And because you can't just especially with the personality Bob,
Speaker 1: you can't have Greg Williams ascend to head coach and
Speaker 1: then do well and say all right, now you get
Speaker 1: to be an underling again. They say bye, Greg, good
Speaker 1: bad day for the triple Jeeves Greg. Greg Williams, after
Speaker 1: all he did for the Browns in the second half
Speaker 1: of the season, gets his walking papers. But it makes sense.
Speaker 1: But let's focus for now on Freddie Kitchens. Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: because you would. You were calling for this for weeks
Speaker 1: because you loved what he did once he took over
Speaker 1: for Todd Haley. So you're happy with this move, arn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's never really been since, and it's so depressing.
Speaker 1: You have to go back to like the mid to
Speaker 1: late eighties to find a relationship in Cleveland where the
Speaker 1: quarterback and you know when he win, Freddie Kitchens was
Speaker 1: the play caller to now the head coach, had a
Speaker 1: tight relationship that was also creative and thriving, so that
Speaker 1: what bothered me was the idea of breaking that up.
Speaker 1: I thought this was a very interesting coaching search, one
Speaker 1: of the more unusual ones in the league, where everyone
Speaker 1: went in thinking, oh, well, Jimmy Haslum is going to
Speaker 1: make everyone higher. Adam Gates because Peyton Manning is his
Speaker 1: friend and he's in his ear saying Adam Gaze is
Speaker 1: the great guy. Adam Gatee never even gets an interview.
Speaker 1: Then said, well, it's obviously gonna be Mike McCarthy because
Speaker 1: the front office littered with all these Packers people, and
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy doesn't even get an interview. They delayed that
Speaker 1: and they could have done that week's ages ago. So Kitchens,
Speaker 1: you know, at the Latin the last seventy two hours,
Speaker 1: got thrust into the role. Was a very realistic candidate.
Speaker 1: And then at the end this Kevin Stefanski thing that
Speaker 1: blew up where they brought him in for a second interview,
Speaker 1: and there was as earlier this morning, that, Oh, the
Speaker 1: Browns are doing the most Brown's thing. There's an in
Speaker 1: house battle based on analytics and more football meathead types,
Speaker 1: one of them wanting Kitchens, one of them wanting Stefanski.
Speaker 1: But in the end you find out, I mean that
Speaker 1: you're reading that a lot of people were pushing for
Speaker 1: Freddie Kitchens, starting with John Dorsey obviously here. So I
Speaker 1: think they made the right choice, and they navigated which
Speaker 1: strange pool of candidates compared to other years in general.
Speaker 1: Jim Caldwell, Dan Campbell, Matt I'm happy with it. I
Speaker 1: don't understand if you're looking if the whole thing is
Speaker 1: to find someone who can who shows a skill at
Speaker 1: calling plays, shows a skill at maximizing players like Nick
Speaker 1: Chubb who had essentially no role before Hugh Jackson left,
Speaker 1: and taking players like that and of course your quarterback
Speaker 1: and saying let's make this offense as good as it
Speaker 1: can be. They showed vastly different, uh, you know, capabilities
Speaker 1: after Kitchens took over. Why would you break that up
Speaker 1: and hire another untested play caller or someone else. So
Speaker 1: a home run, that's that's good to hear, Mark, and
Speaker 1: you know what it is, it's such a great unknown
Speaker 1: this process. He this guy still is an unknown. Let's
Speaker 1: face it. He Yeah, he's forty four. He's never really
Speaker 1: had a responsibility anywhere close to this, so there is
Speaker 1: risk to it. You look at a guy like Jim
Speaker 1: Bob Couter who's out on his on his butt now.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say Cooner, he's out on his butt
Speaker 1: right now. Uh. He had his his data shine as
Speaker 1: an offense coordinator and then that wore off. That's the
Speaker 1: fear that maybe this was more a quick, uh little
Speaker 1: flash in the pan with Kitchens. That's the fear though.
Speaker 1: But you can't quote. You can't make this decision based
Speaker 1: on fear. You had results, which in most cases people
Speaker 1: are hiring blind Cliff Kingsbury. We're gonna get to at Arizona.
Speaker 1: That's a totally blind higher by the Cardinals. That may
Speaker 1: work out, it may blow up Kitchens. At least they
Speaker 1: had this knowledge that he worked well in Mayfield. They
Speaker 1: were scoring points and they were functional on offense. So
Speaker 1: I'd like to hire. There's this cottage industry in the NFL,
Speaker 1: think tanks and consultants, agents in the ear of NFL
Speaker 1: insiders pushing the right coaches or the ones that get
Speaker 1: the endorsements. And I thought Joe Banner, former Eagles and
Speaker 1: Browns president, made a good point. You see guys like
Speaker 1: Freddie Kitchens and Matt eberf Loos, And I would even
Speaker 1: extend this to Kevin Stefanski, who did impress the Browns
Speaker 1: in their interview. Um, guys who come from nowhere and
Speaker 1: and do the job well. Like these guys aren't. Their
Speaker 1: name isn't in the news. They're not being propped up
Speaker 1: for years as coaching candidates, And it makes you think
Speaker 1: who else is out there, who who's a position coach
Speaker 1: or who's a lower on a coaching staff that can
Speaker 1: do a better job than some of these guys like
Speaker 1: been around for years, like many people like I went
Speaker 1: to Freddie Kitchen's Wikipedia page over the last week and
Speaker 1: because I didn't really know much about him the You know,
Speaker 1: he was a quarterback at Alabama, which a lot of
Speaker 1: college fans will know for four years, but he was
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks coach under Bruce Arians for four years. He
Speaker 1: was a position coach with the Cardinals for a decade.
Speaker 1: It is tough to keep a job in the NFL
Speaker 1: on the same team for a decade, through multiple different
Speaker 1: coaching administrations, and so the fact that he impressed all
Speaker 1: those different coaches to keep those jobs. He was tight
Speaker 1: ends coach and quarterbacks coach, then running backs coach, all
Speaker 1: with Arizona before he ended up coming with the Browns.
Speaker 1: It's not like he's a total overnight story. He's been
Speaker 1: in the NFL for eleven years. And I think Dan's
Speaker 1: point is perfect is that they do know him bet
Speaker 1: or than any of those other candidates, and he's a
Speaker 1: little different. Like I like the way he talks. I
Speaker 1: like that his wife is named Ginger. I like I
Speaker 1: just see he has. He cuts a different profile than
Speaker 1: a lot of the Kitchens, a little perfect. I don't
Speaker 1: even know m Baker. Him and Baker seemed like a
Speaker 1: fun kind of like personality match too. They did talk
Speaker 1: about there were so many different people reporting this that
Speaker 1: Stefanski and Kitchens were so close that they were going
Speaker 1: to incorporate Baker Mayfield's take on this, and I wonder
Speaker 1: if that pushed it over the edge. Um and back
Speaker 1: to Greg Williams. I find irony in the fact that
Speaker 1: Williams caught a lot of flak throughout the season for
Speaker 1: his hard Knocks comment that he had seven job offers
Speaker 1: on the table when he went to the Browns. And
Speaker 1: it's funny because Greg Williams will absolutely, in my mind,
Speaker 1: be a defensive coordinator somewhere. And there are like eight teams,
Speaker 1: you know, six eight teams looking for a d C
Speaker 1: right now. Probably who he might get seven offers. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. He might get it. He
Speaker 1: might get it. He's gonna get offers. I don't think
Speaker 1: he hurt himself over the last two months of the season. Opposite,
Speaker 1: I think I don't. But he's a unique personality match
Speaker 1: whose NFL career would have absolutely ended if not for
Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher, who he had such a close relationship with,
Speaker 1: and that's what the NFL is all about. I don't
Speaker 1: I'd have to go through the coordinator openings right now
Speaker 1: and try to figure out a match because I don't
Speaker 1: think he'll have a lot of offers. He might get one,
Speaker 1: You're right, Dan, just because personality wise, I don't know
Speaker 1: how many head coaches are gonna feel comfortable bringing him up.
Speaker 1: You want to put a sandwich on it that he
Speaker 1: gets a job now, because I think you're I think
Speaker 1: there's a decent chance. I just I want to, I
Speaker 1: would want to look at the teams and think about
Speaker 1: what about he gets seven jobs. I would put one
Speaker 1: on that he gets seven offers. Um, I won't do
Speaker 1: that with you. More making the point he does have
Speaker 1: more of a market now than he does his make
Speaker 1: believe market that he had before he got the Brown's
Speaker 1: job in my opinion. But all right, and yes, Kevin Stefancy,
Speaker 1: by the way, a good day for the sixty percent
Speaker 1: of GE's out there. We don't want him being the
Speaker 1: main representative ouch Kevin Stavanski does after not getting the
Speaker 1: Browns job. He's the full time o C for the Vikings,
Speaker 1: so he sticks around there. Moving on the Denver Broncos,
Speaker 1: they go in a different direction. Uh. They higher former
Speaker 1: Bears defensive coordinator Vick fa as their new head coach.
Speaker 1: So in the era where everyone is looking for the
Speaker 1: next Sean McVeigh, John Elway bucks that trend. He says,
Speaker 1: I like the guy that's a good defensive play called caller.
Speaker 1: Get my defense back to where it should be. Uh
Speaker 1: your thoughts, west On, It doesn't really surprise me that
Speaker 1: John Elway went defense and sort of win against the
Speaker 1: grain of what's popular in the NFL. Right now. He
Speaker 1: went defense with his last higher, and it seems to
Speaker 1: me that he thinks Gary Kubiak can just come out
Speaker 1: of the front office, go right back to the sidelines
Speaker 1: and take over the offense and they'll be fine. But
Speaker 1: this team has built on its defense, and I think
Speaker 1: John Elway knows that, and once continue you to sort
Speaker 1: of feature the defenses the featured part of this this organization.
Speaker 1: Alway made this comment, he said, I wanted one side
Speaker 1: of the ball to be dominant, because you know, it's
Speaker 1: rare that it's both. And I think that that this
Speaker 1: is a movement towards getting back to running that defense
Speaker 1: the way that he wants it to be running well,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't make sense without Kubiak, But Kubiak is
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator, and that's a huge higher. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's to me, that's partly why they hired Fongio. What
Speaker 1: do we all have to say, they're well, I mean,
Speaker 1: totally up to your I'm gonna get Fangio because he
Speaker 1: Victor Fangio, who's sixty years old. I mean, does that
Speaker 1: sounds yeah? He has as much respect I think league
Speaker 1: wide and just for the week to week game plans
Speaker 1: that he's come up with dating back to his days
Speaker 1: and with the forty Niners and now with the Bears.
Speaker 1: It's just about any defensive play caller in the league
Speaker 1: over the last decade. Like if you put who's been
Speaker 1: the best coordinator of the last decade on defense, he'd
Speaker 1: be in the top five for sure. And so you're
Speaker 1: you're combining that defensive mind with Gary Kubiak, who was
Speaker 1: up there in terms of offensive coordinators and certainly did
Speaker 1: a great job when he was with Denver. So as
Speaker 1: long as Kubiak's healthy, Like that's if I'm a Broncos fan,
Speaker 1: I feel pretty good about I'm gonna throw it over
Speaker 1: to coordinator corner Mark Sessler spends a lot of time
Speaker 1: over there as well, as we know Mark Gary Kubiak
Speaker 1: good buddies with John Elway. Probably has hung out in
Speaker 1: the lobby of the used car lot many times, just
Speaker 1: shooting the s any concerns if you're a Vic Fogio
Speaker 1: that a Super Bowl winning head coach is now your
Speaker 1: assistant and he also happens to be best buds with
Speaker 1: your boss, I would be a little concern just because
Speaker 1: they're total They're totally tight, and if there's issues there.
Speaker 1: You may not win the pushing pulp, but I think
Speaker 1: Fongio did I say that right? I'll leave that to
Speaker 1: you as well. I mean that had to be part
Speaker 1: and parcel for what might be his only shot to
Speaker 1: be ahead. These guys are vet. These guys have been
Speaker 1: in the NFL for thirty years. They probably know each
Speaker 1: other very well. Kuby act seems about as much as
Speaker 1: any head coach I can think of as a relatively
Speaker 1: ego free, egoist guy, not a Malcuavelli. And I was
Speaker 1: surprised because it's like, Okay, if your health, why doesn't
Speaker 1: he just become the head coach? And I and I
Speaker 1: did ask what I heard I heard from you know,
Speaker 1: the insiders word they he really thought that there's a
Speaker 1: different health in stress because he's been different roles between
Speaker 1: coordinator and head coach. That he essentially was asking, can
Speaker 1: I be I want to be a coordinator again. The
Speaker 1: Broncos were like, you can't leave, we want you to
Speaker 1: be our coordinator. But he did not want to be
Speaker 1: the head coach. He did not want to be considered
Speaker 1: because he thought that's too stressful. He's been through it before.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because it's not like coordinators are an easy job.
Speaker 1: It's harder than apparently he apparently that's what he wanted
Speaker 1: to do, and that's what lay wanted to because it's
Speaker 1: like he's not a young man. That's got to be
Speaker 1: harder than pcent of jobs out there. Said Still, apparently
Speaker 1: the word is that Kubiak, like you're saying, doesn't want
Speaker 1: to be head coach anymore. But Bruce arians didn't want
Speaker 1: to be a head coach anymore a year ago. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying he's fifty. People change, people, their opinions change.
Speaker 1: He gets back into the sport, he might get the itch.
Speaker 1: And what if he starts having conversations with l A
Speaker 1: me as a person, if I if I was Vic
Speaker 1: Foggio a little bit nervous about another angle because La
Speaker 1: and him are so tight. I'm sure the money side
Speaker 1: for Kubiak for doing less is probably very good. His
Speaker 1: friend is going to pay him very well. If I'd
Speaker 1: like to think that the order we get the right,
Speaker 1: the less Machia alien more able to get along with
Speaker 1: other people, and maybe one of those head coaches that
Speaker 1: would like have sources that buried the other coordinator through
Speaker 1: the media, I mean, Palace and drink. Don't be obtuse, Gregg.
Speaker 1: This is a cutthroat business and there's a lot of backbiting,
Speaker 1: and you know, all the shop talking behind the scenes backstabbing.
Speaker 1: Doesn't help that Fongio probably wants nothing to do with
Speaker 1: the offense at all. That they are all over fifth
Speaker 1: like that they're they're fifty seven and up. I think
Speaker 1: they're not sweating that as much and hopefully enjoying. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like a check going on, right, Those are great. Uh,
Speaker 1: let's spin the carousel and move on to another um
Speaker 1: old man relatively compared to what we're seeing in the game,
Speaker 1: Bruce Arians. We just brought up retired so that my body,
Speaker 1: my mind. Dude, I'll know this NFL sideline business, went
Speaker 1: to CBS, went in the booth. Didn't like that so much.
Speaker 1: You got an itch for the game, ends up getting
Speaker 1: hired by the Bucks, who have to be greg happy
Speaker 1: with how this landed for them because they still they're
Speaker 1: conflicted obviously about Jameis Winston at this point. But if
Speaker 1: you want to get one more shot to see if
Speaker 1: the number one overall pick is gonna fly, how about
Speaker 1: a guy that loves the downfield bombing attack. Bruce Arians
Speaker 1: is another proven, tested guy, not bad. It's a perfect
Speaker 1: match for winston skill set. I mean they showed I
Speaker 1: saw this graph that showed what quarterbacks over the last
Speaker 1: six years have the highest air yards per attempt per
Speaker 1: season and all of the Basically there were two players
Speaker 1: off the charts, and those two players were Carson Palmer
Speaker 1: under Bruce Arians and Jamis Winston throughout his career. And
Speaker 1: I think a guy like Arians probably convinced them that
Speaker 1: he sees the good parts of Winston in in that
Speaker 1: he seems like a very football smart guy about of
Speaker 1: the time, and he makes some really crazy decisions, but
Speaker 1: he's still twenty four years old and has a ton
Speaker 1: of production. It's also away for Jason Light, who worked
Speaker 1: with Arians in Arizona, to kind of this is his
Speaker 1: last chance. I feel like they are on the hot
Speaker 1: seat right away because Jason Light is on a hot
Speaker 1: seat and he's so tied to Arians, He's so tied
Speaker 1: to Winston that even though he's signed a four year contract,
Speaker 1: it feels like they need to produce quickly or else
Speaker 1: this whole thing could get blown up. And that is
Speaker 1: based on the track record of the Bucks under the Glazers.
Speaker 1: No one's changed coaches over the last twelve years more
Speaker 1: than the Bucks and the Browns, and they have not
Speaker 1: made the playoffs in eleven years. So I think the
Speaker 1: expectations are gonna be high, but they should be high
Speaker 1: with Arians and Todd Bowles is defensive coordinator Byron Left,
Speaker 1: which is a play caller in in passing. That's a
Speaker 1: nice that's nice. Apparently Todd Bowles and the Bears that
Speaker 1: not official, but now they're coming after him. So perhaps
Speaker 1: Todd Bowles has a decision to make and I'll say
Speaker 1: and we'll get back to Arians, but that's not an
Speaker 1: easy decision. Bowles has a good relationship with Arians, we know,
Speaker 1: and they have some nice players West on that roster
Speaker 1: and extreme uh the Bears defensive coordinator job. That's a
Speaker 1: good gig. But maybe the deal breaker West is that
Speaker 1: Bruce Arians is a late period Parcels year to year
Speaker 1: type coach at this stage of his life. Todd Bowles
Speaker 1: might have a ticket for the big chair if he
Speaker 1: can get that defense surging and then he gets a shot.
Speaker 1: It's a tricky spot for Bulls because he and Arians
Speaker 1: are tight, and I do think the Bucks defense is
Speaker 1: more talent than is commonly believed. But you could also
Speaker 1: be featured as the Bears defensive coordinator if they can
Speaker 1: go on a Super Bowl run, and Byron Left, which
Speaker 1: could be a kind of head coach and waiting well.
Speaker 1: I think the way if it worked really well, The
Speaker 1: way in which Arians has built his coaching staffs, I
Speaker 1: think is one of the most intriguing in the NFL.
Speaker 1: There are only two of thirty two coaches who are black,
Speaker 1: and we're in an arrow where everybody wants to hire
Speaker 1: the bright, young, innovative mastermind. On the offensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball. Offensive coordinators are white, quarterback coaches are just
Speaker 1: about white. Offensive line coaches are about white. So how
Speaker 1: do you these guys get jobs? I think a guy
Speaker 1: like Bruce Arians has gone out of his way to
Speaker 1: hire minority coaches. He's thrust Harold Goodwin into the play
Speaker 1: calling role in preseason, Goodwins joining him in Arizona too,
Speaker 1: and Left. Now he's he's allowing Byron Left which to
Speaker 1: take over the passing game, and I think this is
Speaker 1: going forward. I'd like to see more white coaches do
Speaker 1: stuff like this as an avenue toward getting some African
Speaker 1: Americans into these jobs. It's going to be a story
Speaker 1: once this carousel stops spinning, we're gonna be down to
Speaker 1: very few plaque coaches in the league. Where are we
Speaker 1: on that, well, no, I mean, it's what West just
Speaker 1: said exactly, because there are at it down to it's
Speaker 1: down to one. The Bengals, you know, some of the
Speaker 1: types there, has a chance to be the only team
Speaker 1: I think that has a higher The Dolphins also, Brian
Speaker 1: Flores has been attached them pretty closely, so we are
Speaker 1: kind of waiting. But you're you're right. It's been a
Speaker 1: rough season for Africa. It's just a study that you mentioned.
Speaker 1: It's exactly. It's the Sean McVeigh, Go find the next
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh, and and that pool of candidates is largely
Speaker 1: Caucasian and that and that's the issue. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: this some more with click Cliff Kingsbury. If that's where
Speaker 1: we're going next, yause, I think that's a big part
Speaker 1: of that, Cliff clings Cliff Kingsbury say, gonna have to
Speaker 1: get used to it, at least for one to three years.
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury, who was the Texas Tech head coach, didn't
Speaker 1: work out. He got canned takes a job as the
Speaker 1: o c at u uh at USC A lot of
Speaker 1: hard things to say here, and then finds out a
Speaker 1: bunch of teams are looking for the next Sean McVeigh
Speaker 1: wiggles out of the USC deal, moves into an interview process,
Speaker 1: meets with the Cardinals, the Jets besides Arizona's where he
Speaker 1: wants the head coach. He is now the new head
Speaker 1: coach of the Cardinals West. What were you going to say,
Speaker 1: there's all this criticism that it's such a risky higher,
Speaker 1: it's not a safe move, Well, who's safe? John Fox
Speaker 1: and Jeff Fisher with Steve Wilkes safe and he lasted
Speaker 1: one year because he had a sub NFL offense. How
Speaker 1: about every years? If it's safe? Right, how about every
Speaker 1: coach that just got fired? Were those were those safe
Speaker 1: or not? Like if you're if you're an owner or
Speaker 1: a team president, you're looking around the league and you
Speaker 1: see Doug Peterson with Carson Wentz and Nick Fooles. You
Speaker 1: see Frank Reich with Andrew Luck, You see Matteggie with
Speaker 1: Mitch Robisky, you see Sean McVeigh with Jared Goff. All
Speaker 1: these guys got immensely better quickly. You also see those
Speaker 1: four guys offensive minds come in and they get Wayne Phillips,
Speaker 1: Vic Fongio, uh Jim Schwartz. They get some of the
Speaker 1: best defensive coordinators in the business because nobody's hiring defensive
Speaker 1: coordinators as head coaches. So there's a much bigger field.
Speaker 1: If you hire a Steve Wilkes, he fires his offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator halfway through the season. You hire Evans Joseph fires
Speaker 1: his coordinator halfway through the season. Matt Patricia fires his
Speaker 1: coordinator after one season. There's just a much better chance.
Speaker 1: If you're an owner, you're like, why wouldn't I hire
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator, Have my cake and eat it too,
Speaker 1: because he's gonna hire a great defensive coordinator. People kill
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury for the college record, and none of us
Speaker 1: watched any of those games, let's be honest, but they
Speaker 1: that was a team at Texas Tech that were the
Speaker 1: offense what he's meant to be good at was prolific
Speaker 1: and fantastic. The defense. The defensive players didn't go to
Speaker 1: that team essentially, and they were losing because of that
Speaker 1: side of the ball. I mean, he's good at what
Speaker 1: he's meant to be good at and they needed to
Speaker 1: do this for Josh Rosen, who probably has PTSD coming
Speaker 1: off of last season, one of the worst situations a
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback could be in. So you're giving him a
Speaker 1: shot to be with someone who's creative and new and
Speaker 1: and let that relationship and not a small thing. If
Speaker 1: you hire an offensive coach, he's gonna be there for
Speaker 1: a few years. You're not gonna be changing an offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: Did the concern I think with Kingsbury specifically though, is
Speaker 1: his staff? So what kind of staff is he gonna
Speaker 1: put together. Sean McVeigh had been in the NFL, had connections,
Speaker 1: you know, even Matt Lafleur has been in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Maybe Kingsbury does put together a great staff. There's rumors
Speaker 1: he might hire the Texas State coach as his offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: That's not as big a higher. We haven't heard about
Speaker 1: who he's gonna bring in, but he's he's causing a
Speaker 1: lot of excitement. I was pretty impressed that the Arizona Cardinals, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, changed all their Twitter names to Arizona Cardinals
Speaker 1: with a K. I mean, that's buying in, that's branding um.
Speaker 1: Any other thoughts on the Arizona job before we move out.
Speaker 1: Oh he's I believe Cliff is four years older than
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald, so another very young Clary nine and younger
Speaker 1: than I. I do have another thought, just his agents great,
Speaker 1: whoever he is. I mean, the second he lost his
Speaker 1: job at Tech talk every age. Maybe it's just maybe
Speaker 1: Kingsbury is just great at work in the media at
Speaker 1: agent corner. This sure is that a place on the carousel.
Speaker 1: The second he was fired from Texas Tech, there were
Speaker 1: a number of media insiders who said, wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: if he got some O C head coaching looks, and
Speaker 1: he did. They were absolutely right. He takes that USC job,
Speaker 1: and you have Miniche Meta in New York stumping saying
Speaker 1: we need this guy. You're hearing rumors at the Patriots
Speaker 1: might hire Cliff Kingsbury if McDaniels leaves. That's definitely coming
Speaker 1: from an agent I mean place, and that there's just
Speaker 1: this huge groundswell of like everyone wants this guy. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe he really deserves all the all the attention, but
Speaker 1: he's getting represented well. Final on Arizona, all of those
Speaker 1: offensive coaches I mentioned who turned around the program immediately
Speaker 1: they got a lot of help from the GM in
Speaker 1: the first year on the job. Less Sneat rebuilt the Rams,
Speaker 1: uh Pace rebuilt the Bears. Roseman is one of the
Speaker 1: best gms in the league, and Chris Ballard did it
Speaker 1: with the Colts. So the Cardinals need to go out
Speaker 1: and aggressively rebuild a baron roster. It's a great division.
Speaker 1: Just NFC West games are gonna be fun between Shanahan
Speaker 1: McVeigh and Kingsbury, and then you have Pete Carroll and
Speaker 1: the Seahawks are kind of like the little guy that's
Speaker 1: a little different to Commons. So first of all, I
Speaker 1: feel like Agent Corner would be more like a leafy suburb, right,
Speaker 1: I would think of urban war zone, not like a
Speaker 1: tony like beautiful properties with tenticulevely landscape, front yards, tennis clubs,
Speaker 1: champagne glasses, clinking background somewhere like Orange County. What would
Speaker 1: this vineyard? You know, somewhere like Newport Beach from there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, certain parts of Santa Monica, I say, certainly yes.
Speaker 1: And I would also say a lot of buzz after
Speaker 1: these hires that the NFC West has some of the
Speaker 1: best looking coaches in the game. In terms of a collection.
Speaker 1: Don't sleep on Pete Carroll, deb hands us. My mom
Speaker 1: has been all in on Pete Carroll since ninety four
Speaker 1: and he has aged like fine wine that man. So
Speaker 1: just because Pete CAW's the oldest of the coaches now
Speaker 1: in the NFC West, everyone's Google for McVeigh and Cliff Kingsbury.
Speaker 1: He's in great shape, like age age and looks. Carol
Speaker 1: wins that in a landslide. Let's see what John McVeigh
Speaker 1: looks like thirty years from now. Cut that out. Good luck,
Speaker 1: good luck being that good looking that in your sixties.
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Speaker 1: How do you spell carousel? Mark C A R O
Speaker 1: U S E L Very good. It's a tricky one.
Speaker 1: Matt Le Fleur has a job, and it's a good one.
Speaker 1: The Packers agree to a four year contract with the
Speaker 1: Tennessee Titoons offensive coordinator. He replaces Mike McCarthy still on
Speaker 1: the market. We're gonna get to him and a little bit.
Speaker 1: It's a four year contract um greg with a fifth
Speaker 1: year team option. Per Tom Pellicero le flair. The Fleur
Speaker 1: uh is my in who had to deal with a
Speaker 1: quarterback that was never healthy last year in Tennessee. But
Speaker 1: the offense got better, especially when Derrick Henry started having
Speaker 1: a bigger role. You like this higher for Green Bay.
Speaker 1: I like that Aaron Rodgers with a different offensive head coach.
Speaker 1: I mean it could have been literally anyone know, because
Speaker 1: if it was Bruce Arians, I have a track record
Speaker 1: where I would kind of you know, have a stronger opinion.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like la Fleur in his one year
Speaker 1: in Tennessee. I'm gonna praise him or kill him too much.
Speaker 1: He is certainly a guy that's respected around the league.
Speaker 1: He impressed the Packers in this interview. They didn't even
Speaker 1: do a second interview, despite a pretty wide group of
Speaker 1: interesting candidates that they interviewed in Green Bay. And I
Speaker 1: love that he It sounds like we don't know for sure,
Speaker 1: but it sounds like he's keeping Mike Petton and most,
Speaker 1: if not all, of the defensive state move and I
Speaker 1: think is a huge part of the equation. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just excited to see what he does. I mean, it
Speaker 1: shows how quickly things can change in the NFL. That
Speaker 1: he essentially lost his job as a quarterbacks coach with
Speaker 1: the Falcons two years ago. He wanted to stay there.
Speaker 1: McVeigh ended up kind of giving him a lifeline. They
Speaker 1: worked together in Washington. Goes to be the coordinator there,
Speaker 1: and here he is now as a head coach of
Speaker 1: one of the best, most storied France as the league,
Speaker 1: with the best quarterback in the league. He's a mystery
Speaker 1: and and we'll find out how much he's absorbed from
Speaker 1: being next to some of the greatest minds on offense
Speaker 1: in the last couple of decades. Sean McVeigh, he was
Speaker 1: with him in Los Angeles, but McVeigh was in golf's
Speaker 1: ear before the whistle and der when the defense had
Speaker 1: the ball, McVeigh was running the offense. So how much
Speaker 1: was la flour doing there? He was with Kyle Shannon
Speaker 1: when Matt Ryan was an m v P and the
Speaker 1: Falcons went to the Super Bowl, and like you said,
Speaker 1: he wasn't even brought back as quarterbacks coach. How much
Speaker 1: was that was that after Shanahan? But to be fair,
Speaker 1: he wasn't calling the play Shannahan was. And then he
Speaker 1: gets to Tennessee. His starting quarterback has an injury that
Speaker 1: affects the way he throws the ball, and his backup
Speaker 1: plays in quite a few games, and yet in three
Speaker 1: or four games with the Titans this year. Mine it's
Speaker 1: for this coaching staff is coaching it's ass off with
Speaker 1: very little talent. So I'm intrigued by I just don't
Speaker 1: know quite who Matt Laflora. He was put in a
Speaker 1: tough situation, obviously with Marcus Mariotta's shoulder when dealing with
Speaker 1: Blaine Gabbert half the season. My one thing with this
Speaker 1: job specifically, you could argue and many have, that it's
Speaker 1: the best opening and the presence of Aaron Rodgers gives
Speaker 1: you a chance for immediate success. But the last two
Speaker 1: seasons show us that the Packers have issues beyond Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: and there is this notion that's, you know, you fixed
Speaker 1: the Mike McCarthy part of it. The next coach should
Speaker 1: just take Green Bay right back to where we thought
Speaker 1: they were this NFC title game and the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: and finally deliver on Aaron Rodgers potential. It's like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure and I don't think this is
Speaker 1: a super Bowl team right now. I think there's talent,
Speaker 1: though I think there's more talent than maybe any of
Speaker 1: the other vacancies. It's certainly up there. I think Patt
Speaker 1: needs to do a better job. I mean, they had
Speaker 1: a ton of enterge and injuries, but ultimately the defense
Speaker 1: wasn't any better than it was under Dom Capers. I
Speaker 1: feel like the football gonna sent the will stop making
Speaker 1: assumptions about the Packers after the last two years. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't think there will be an assumption going
Speaker 1: to next year, Oh, they'll be definitely in the mix
Speaker 1: of the Super Bowl because I think they've now proven
Speaker 1: I think say that every year. But I'm just saying
Speaker 1: I think that there's worked. I mean that offense. Let's
Speaker 1: be honest. I mean, I think there's just twelve teams
Speaker 1: that are twelve fifteen teams before the season. They have
Speaker 1: a chance. And if you have Aaron Rodgers and in
Speaker 1: some talent, and they've got some, there's a difference, been
Speaker 1: a chance of being a favorite. But I I don't
Speaker 1: know if they should. It would be wrong, I thing
Speaker 1: to install them his favorite. Again, what we saw a
Speaker 1: good division and they need to improve around Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: I think from a personnel standpoint, one thing that we
Speaker 1: saw in the last probably half decade of Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: was an inability to find a consistent running game and
Speaker 1: it was just like, we're gonna put all this on
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. Well, Matt Lafleur comes from that rollout offense
Speaker 1: where everything's based on boot action and play action. Those
Speaker 1: are the guys he knows. And then you saw him
Speaker 1: midway through the year in Tennessee put the offense on
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry when he needed to. And I think you're
Speaker 1: gonna see a lot more Aaron Jones in Green Bay One.
Speaker 1: One final note. Every time Greg speaks in our studio
Speaker 1: here on the door is a pasted it's happening to me.
Speaker 1: I am having the worst podcast experience I have ever
Speaker 1: had because I keep thinking that there's a just embodying
Speaker 1: through the door at us and judging us. I mean,
Speaker 1: I didn't take it up, crumbling it in my face.
Speaker 1: Dan got up because it is a little every time
Speaker 1: I turned to my right to set Greg up or
Speaker 1: have a conversation, there was a disembodied Jared Goff and
Speaker 1: that had to go. So three men in a baby
Speaker 1: scenario with the other human in the picture. That was
Speaker 1: a deep callback. But I got the ref and I
Speaker 1: liked it. This nice pop culture ref. This La Fleur
Speaker 1: higher is a reminer. Mike Shanahan's one of the most
Speaker 1: influential coaches of the last thirty forty years. Offensively, there's
Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it, and the fact that he
Speaker 1: had Kyle McVeigh and La Fleur altogether, and just the
Speaker 1: schemes and and the offenses that he would come up
Speaker 1: without a weekly basis. Bill Belichick always said he thought
Speaker 1: it was the toughest play caller and coordinator to go against.
Speaker 1: He wasn't necessarily the greatest, that like running an entire
Speaker 1: team and being a general manager, but he is one
Speaker 1: of the greats. There will be a black sheep in
Speaker 1: the sponge. They're not all going to serve. But I
Speaker 1: just mean that he his influence in his offensive style.
Speaker 1: I think time has borne out how influential it is. Alright,
Speaker 1: So those are the five teams that have a new
Speaker 1: head coach in place. Let's spend through quickly with three
Speaker 1: teams that are not um connected to a head coach
Speaker 1: at this point. We'll start with the Jets because Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy is the former coach of the Packers. And we
Speaker 1: said it might have been what we refer internally as
Speaker 1: agent porn, but it came out yesterday. I've never heard
Speaker 1: any what as I porn, Asian porn. I've never heard
Speaker 1: anyone say that what you said, we refer to that
Speaker 1: internally as agent porn. I think you texted that yesterday.
Speaker 1: I texted, okay, but that was about Cliff Kingsbury. Ye
Speaker 1: did you notice how I noticed that you texted that,
Speaker 1: but Greg clearly scanned over whatever you if I'm learning that.
Speaker 1: Greg did respond, but I think Greg was just like
Speaker 1: I'm going to respond, Yeah, Dad's just during the pot.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know me yet, but all
Speaker 1: my memory lasts about forty five minutes after that. Why
Speaker 1: is that? By the way, is there a reason why
Speaker 1: the memory? Maybe? Isn't there a short term? I don't
Speaker 1: think you're not an old man. I don't think that
Speaker 1: that is a fair question. I don't think that's a
Speaker 1: fair question. It's been like that my whole life, my mom.
Speaker 1: There's no outside. I just try to like it. Here's
Speaker 1: what Here's what matters to me is my relationships and
Speaker 1: the moment around me. And I have nothing left in
Speaker 1: my brain for anything else. That's a man living in
Speaker 1: the presence. Mark a quick, a quick explanation before I
Speaker 1: get into it. What is agent porn? Not Asian porn?
Speaker 1: Agent porn? In this case, it was not Kingsbury the general?
Speaker 1: What is what is it to you? To me? What
Speaker 1: is agent? What I sent to you, guys was a
Speaker 1: text where or a tweet where. A certain candidate, in
Speaker 1: this case, Cliff Kingsbury, was lit raised up to such
Speaker 1: heightened levels, and the words used were so flowery about
Speaker 1: someone that's never won NFL game that I thought that
Speaker 1: there was um a servicing of someone's agent going on
Speaker 1: in that ancient porn. We see that the record show
Speaker 1: I responded first to you did, but then it just
Speaker 1: disappeared like a goldfish just forgot the phrase. I forgot
Speaker 1: the phrase um. Anyway, ESPN reported on Tuesday night that
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy isn't pursuing any other head coaching job than
Speaker 1: the Jets opening, which just seemed to me like a
Speaker 1: nice little neat repositioning, uh for Mike McCarthy as people
Speaker 1: to remind the Jets, hey, we love your baby, and also, well,
Speaker 1: we don't even want any other job. Even though Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy didn't seem to have a lot of interviews lined
Speaker 1: up the other jobs, they're all taken except for the
Speaker 1: defensive Bengals, who he was not involved. It makes the
Speaker 1: messaging makes Mike McCarthy look like a completely focused individual
Speaker 1: who knows what he wants and give it to him,
Speaker 1: but the reality is a little different. That could be
Speaker 1: dead wrong about this, but this has been one of
Speaker 1: the most easy to see through plans as far as
Speaker 1: getting somebody hired, tell everyone that you don't really need
Speaker 1: a job, and you might sit out two thousand nineteen
Speaker 1: and revisit the coaching thing in two thousand twenty. That's
Speaker 1: your story that you're telling everyone for a week, and
Speaker 1: then when you look like you're gonna be the last
Speaker 1: one at the dance, you don't have anyone to go
Speaker 1: out there and dance with. Okay, we really only want
Speaker 1: the Jetstop Jets job, because that's really five of them
Speaker 1: are gone now and we might not get any other one. Well,
Speaker 1: they're looking at some interesting named Baylor's coach. Matt Rule
Speaker 1: right definitely in the mix, according to uh Rich Sumini
Speaker 1: of VSPN New York, and seems to be the name
Speaker 1: that might be in a little buzz here. That's a
Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah's favorite candidate. He's there are a lot of
Speaker 1: college people that would put Matt Rule ahead of Cliff Kingsman.
Speaker 1: He's got things very pop in that people inside the
Speaker 1: game seem to respect him. He's a young up and
Speaker 1: gumming guy. He's from New York. He has a little
Speaker 1: bit of NFL experience, and uh has done a nice
Speaker 1: job like Bruce arians a former Temple coach. There you go,
Speaker 1: and I have a Bailor tie through my wife and
Speaker 1: my father in law. Bob Bates is way into the
Speaker 1: Bailor Bears, and under rule they have transitioned from the
Speaker 1: the wide open spread attack of r G three and
Speaker 1: Bryce Petty to a pro style attack. So he has
Speaker 1: the type of knowledge of the game that would transfer
Speaker 1: to the NFL. We'll see what that guy. Also, Eric
Speaker 1: b Enemy the Chiefs offense cornered in play with the Jets,
Speaker 1: so we'll see that. I feel like that's something's coming
Speaker 1: very soon with the Jets. What about the Dolphins. What
Speaker 1: are you hearing about the Dolphins? GA, Well, there hasn't
Speaker 1: been much. There's there's still some lingering buzz whether the
Speaker 1: Dolphins would try to present the Ravens with an offer
Speaker 1: they couldn't refuse In regards to John Harbop, Pro Football
Speaker 1: Talk has written a lot about that. Other than that,
Speaker 1: the name in Miami that they think is the strongest
Speaker 1: is Brian Flores, who is not the Patriots defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: but essentially has those responsibilities for them, been a linebacker
Speaker 1: coach for them. Has a really interesting backstory and just
Speaker 1: seems to be you know when when no owners talk
Speaker 1: about like we want a leader of men, he seems
Speaker 1: like one of those guys who definitely connects with with
Speaker 1: his players, and he might he might be the guy,
Speaker 1: I guess, but have to be stated that you want
Speaker 1: a leader of men well as opposed. There's different styles
Speaker 1: of that. I think though, like Bill Belichick is not
Speaker 1: someone you would you would say, that's not the first
Speaker 1: thing that you bring up. You bring up his game plans,
Speaker 1: you know, same with Kingsbury perhaps yea love Belichick, Yeah right,
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean kind of that's what
Speaker 1: people miss about McVeigh, that he's really good at that
Speaker 1: part of the job. And it's not just that he's
Speaker 1: a mastermind on offense. And I think it's it's the
Speaker 1: priority you put on it. I don't think the King's
Speaker 1: he's being hired because he's a leader of men. I
Speaker 1: think it's because of his work with quarterbacks. I think
Speaker 1: whoever takes this job though, I mean, this is a
Speaker 1: team that's in the zone of almost tear it down
Speaker 1: to rebuild, and it's not going to be an easy path.
Speaker 1: And the other name that comes up as Christopher Shard,
Speaker 1: who also his players Byron Jones talked about Christoph Shard
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys is destined for greatness jail and Smith
Speaker 1: said that right away since I mean sotaly different, so
Speaker 1: I guess both both good candidates. But this is not
Speaker 1: an easy team to take over right now, and it
Speaker 1: starts at the time. Morris seems like a really intriguing candidate,
Speaker 1: but man Stephen Ross cannot get out of this a
Speaker 1: f C East thing where he's kind of just endlessly
Speaker 1: taking people off the parcels Tree and tannin bomb and
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm the dolphin, If I'm a
Speaker 1: dolphin like getting it just seems like more of the same.
Speaker 1: But he also, who knows, might be the next great
Speaker 1: young coach Wes. Why does it feel like, from the
Speaker 1: outside not tracking it too closely, that the Bengals are
Speaker 1: the only team that aren't even searching for a head coach? Well,
Speaker 1: sometimes forget will forget that they're a franchise. I think
Speaker 1: that's part of it. And the way they run things.
Speaker 1: I mean, they haven't exactly been in the news, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, hunting, it seems, but I'm sure there's something
Speaker 1: going on. They're slow to make maneuvers in generally in general,
Speaker 1: isn't no huge Well, I guess there is a rush
Speaker 1: because they Marvin Lewis wasn't the first Cincinnati coach to
Speaker 1: stay a lot longer than most people expected. They are
Speaker 1: slow to make moves on all fronts. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: they seem like they're lined up vance. Joseph seems like
Speaker 1: their guy almost at this point, which is how do you,
Speaker 1: I don't know how you sell that to a fan base.
Speaker 1: Their interviews have been in house, Bill Laser, Darren Simmons,
Speaker 1: their special teams coordinator, and Hugh Jackson got an interview right.
Speaker 1: But they, to their credit, if you want to criticize,
Speaker 1: they are taking a really wide birth here. They They
Speaker 1: interviewed Eric b. Enemy, They interviewed Shane Waldron, Zach Taylor,
Speaker 1: Vac Taylor, They interviewed Todd Mounkin. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: they've had eight or nine. Those are the those are
Speaker 1: all offensive minds. The two guys from the Rams, Taylor
Speaker 1: and Waldron and then Monk, and those are some of
Speaker 1: the intriguing offensive minds. And like you said, Hugh Jackson
Speaker 1: vans Joseph's a defensive guy. They've interviewed some This can't
Speaker 1: be a team where there's any referendum to you know
Speaker 1: you're gonna stick with Andy Dalton for seasons one through
Speaker 1: how many more? There has to be an open minded
Speaker 1: approach to new quarterbacks. It feels like Vance Joseph has,
Speaker 1: at least from what Ian and the different insiders, that
Speaker 1: if you had to guess, Vance Joseph might be the
Speaker 1: leader in the club. How to guess what Mike Brown's going?
Speaker 1: How do you tell that to Bengals fans before it happened? Right?
Speaker 1: But I don't trust any reporting about what's going on. Right,
Speaker 1: No one knows. Um one more trip to coordinator corner,
Speaker 1: uh Mark Cessler and I hope you're safe. Josh McDaniels
Speaker 1: is staying put with the Patriots. His word is his bond.
Speaker 1: It's solid as oaks. So absolutely he's staying there, isn't he? Yes?
Speaker 1: And I always felt that with him, that it was
Speaker 1: the Packers or or not. I don't think that he
Speaker 1: would have trusted the situation in Cleveland. There was there
Speaker 1: were whisper is about that that there was some mutual interest,
Speaker 1: But for me, it felt like Packers are busted and
Speaker 1: why not stay in New England? You'll still be a
Speaker 1: name next hiring cycle, whether you should be or not going.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have a pretty good job, Mark, you
Speaker 1: know I do. I can't hear you. It feels dangerous.
Speaker 1: You have a pretty good job. I feel like you
Speaker 1: should move out of this neighborhood at this point. You know,
Speaker 1: when you when you're a reporter of the deals with
Speaker 1: certain neighborhoods, you become ingrained and interwoven with that, with
Speaker 1: that community and the st They trust me and I
Speaker 1: trust them. I got you. Dirk Cutter going back to
Speaker 1: the Falcons also, Mark, well, are you okay with that?
Speaker 1: Or is that you know? Mike mclarkey's going there too.
Speaker 1: What's going on when he ran their offense from two
Speaker 1: thousand twelve to two thousand and fourteen, two of those
Speaker 1: years they finished seventh and eighth. I think the thing this,
Speaker 1: this for me, tracks back to one thing, and I
Speaker 1: think there must be a trusted and uh you know,
Speaker 1: wanted wanted relationship with Matt Ryan that goes both ways.
Speaker 1: I don't know why you do it. Otherwise it's not
Speaker 1: the most inspiring higher based on what we think of
Speaker 1: Dirk Hutter in general, but his offense in Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: was not the issue. It's fine. I have a lot
Speaker 1: to say, but I want to save it for our
Speaker 1: upcoming Fresh off the Wire video we're taping after this
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Speaker 1: before we leave, I did send out a mailbag prompt
Speaker 1: from the around the NFL Twitter handle. Um, start with
Speaker 1: you on this one. Mark, Now that the brown This
Speaker 1: from Ryan Heal. Now that the Browns got their head coach,
Speaker 1: who would Mark like to see is the d C
Speaker 1: an older former head coach a lah Wade Phillips or
Speaker 1: a younger DC candidate Bill Bill A chick. He's taken
Speaker 1: Bill Parcels. He's old and retired. Um, nobody really jumps
Speaker 1: out to be honest, like I would want someone that's
Speaker 1: not going to, you know, get I want someone who's
Speaker 1: not going to fight with the with with Kitchens and
Speaker 1: the rest. You don't have a pipeline to all the
Speaker 1: best linebackers coaches in the NFL. Yeah, it just seems
Speaker 1: like the you know, you're just Pepper Johnson, Like, oh, good, good, idea,
Speaker 1: there's some share DNA there. Remember Kitchens worked under Bill
Speaker 1: Parcel's West could be Parcels. This from galam Leslie. Which
Speaker 1: one of the hires do you think has the biggest
Speaker 1: chance of backfiring? Do you think there's a real chance
Speaker 1: any of them are out of a job again in
Speaker 1: twelve months. I think, honestly that the Bruce arians higher
Speaker 1: has the best chance of backfiring because because of his
Speaker 1: health issues and if he if something happens, and then
Speaker 1: you have an inexperienced coaching staff behind him, I think
Speaker 1: that's how you end up with three well and he
Speaker 1: he said in his first comments, the whole thing, the
Speaker 1: whole franchise will be built around Jamis Win. That's the other,
Speaker 1: you cat, you're counting on that to work. That makes
Speaker 1: also Jamis Winston one of the biggest winners of the
Speaker 1: off season, but it also means if he continues to
Speaker 1: be the guy he's been for the last four years,
Speaker 1: you're right back where you started. All right, good job,
Speaker 1: good mail bag? Guys? Do you want one more? One more?
Speaker 1: I mean two feels a little light. That's been a
Speaker 1: mail bag, and I thought you're trying to keep these shows.
Speaker 1: It's it's like a mail bag. I thought you guys
Speaker 1: are gonna just go back and forth. I mean I'm
Speaker 1: thinking of like someone carrying like a heavy bag of mail,
Speaker 1: like like it was a good job. I was my
Speaker 1: answer as well, Yeah, all right, vamp a little bit. Mark,
Speaker 1: let me find one more. Greg? How you doing over there? Hello,
Speaker 1: my baby, Hello my? Did you know the Flora's French
Speaker 1: for the flower? Ah? It's ever podcasting for really? This
Speaker 1: is this is cut territory. There may be you know
Speaker 1: post show, who is uh handled Arthur Pietre, Peter At
Speaker 1: I survived oh and sixteen with Jim Bob Cooter out
Speaker 1: in Detroit. Who's likely to replace him? Jed clamp At,
Speaker 1: John Boy, Walton Bow Duke or a member of the
Speaker 1: country bear Jim that was good. That was good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like Jack clap Petre has got some chops. Um.
Speaker 1: Last question, real question, Greg Todd Rice asks what does
Speaker 1: the hiring of Bruce Arians mean for the quarterback situation
Speaker 1: in Tampa Bay? You better, you feel better about Jamis Winson.
Speaker 1: There's a long term out, no doubt. The way the
Speaker 1: Arians talked about it on Wednesday is that they're they're
Speaker 1: all in with Jamis Winston. So if you if you
Speaker 1: believe in Jameis Winson like I do, that he's still
Speaker 1: has a chance to be still a good starter, he's solid,
Speaker 1: that he can be better, that he can be better.
Speaker 1: It's fair. It's also you know, the GM picked and
Speaker 1: the GM is still around. It was a referendum to
Speaker 1: keep using Jamis Winston, who has had more tone rovers
Speaker 1: than anyone in the league since he's been drafted. It
Speaker 1: all makes sense, but he also has accomplished a lot
Speaker 1: for a four year you know, in his rookie contract,
Speaker 1: there's been a lot worse. Put it that way. All right,
Speaker 1: there you go, Thank you for everybody sent in questions.
Speaker 1: We will be back tomorrow with our divisional Round Playoff preview.
Speaker 1: Uh Now, I said wild Card weekend is one of
Speaker 1: the best weekends of the year in the NFL. The
Speaker 1: best weekend is Divisional playoff weekend because you've got every
Speaker 1: game is featuring heavy hitters, especially with that Tomato can.
Speaker 1: Pat's game no longer an issue like it's been in
Speaker 1: past years. We got a real game up in Foxboro
Speaker 1: and everywhere else that the professional football has played on
Speaker 1: Saturday and Sunday. How about that. I agree with you
Speaker 1: everything you said best divisional rounds. Since we've been doing
Speaker 1: the show, i'd i'd argue, I think to study the past.
Speaker 1: See let's see how the results come. Well, there's always
Speaker 1: been a couple like this game is going to be
Speaker 1: an epic blow out. Oh Tim Tebow's playing the Patriots.
Speaker 1: This is not going to go well, I forgot about
Speaker 1: that one. Yeah, uh no, this everything seems like it
Speaker 1: will lead to great football, which will mean we're going
Speaker 1: to see a bunch of horrible blowouts. We just jinx it. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll be there in person for Rams Cowboys Saturday night,
Speaker 1: and then we'll be taping our recap show as normal
Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon. Very exciting. Okay, this is Dan hands As
Speaker 1: signing off four Quiet Storm, the Mailman, the Old Boss,
Speaker 1: and the Great Ricky Hollywood behind the glass. She's nervous.
Speaker 1: She's real nervous about the past. Belt Thursday eight