WEBVTT - Coaching Carousel and Coordinator Corner 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:09.320 Be Around the NFL Podcast drinks Lacroix like a little Welcome, 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:13.600 I mean, in today's day and age too, especially inappropriate. 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:17.320 Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:19.880 My name is Dan hans As I am joined in 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:23.639 a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Wesley, and 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:27.920 Greg Rosenthal. What is up you little bit? Hey? Dan? 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:30.600 Now we gotta beat you out. It's not so much 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:33.680 the drinking of that product. It's just that that you 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:37.120 put a straw into such a small can A little 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:40.839 it's a little you know, they would say it's a 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:44.760 little it's a little flourish, slightly dainty. But I think 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:48.040 you're going to say it feels that um perry a 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:51.400 one or whatever. That's like even a smaller bottle than 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:54.000 the scale of one to one. How orchestral it is 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:56.160 it to have a little tiny straw in your little 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:59.720 Are you asking me if it's a manufactured joke. I 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:04.840 don't think it's that funny joke. I mean it just 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:09.199 seems like something that you I do use paper shows 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:14.000 now an I'm looking a plastic one right now. Well 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:20.200 that's Starbucks that's on that. But today's show, forget about 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:23.600 all that who cares about that? That's just how I drink. 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:26.760 Let's slide off that topic. We have things to talk 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:31.480 about the NFL. It keeps moving as we close in 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:34.840 on the super Bowl. It is less than a month away, um, 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:38.080 and we're gonna get to the next round of the playoffs, 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:42.960 the divisional round on tomorrow's show. But today's show, our 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:47.040 Wednesday show, we will be focusing on the coaches Carausel 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:58.520 because Greg, it was a little quiet, you know, entering uh, 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:02.840 the weekend of through Sunday even and then the last 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:05.680 seventy two hours or so we are flying. It was 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:08.400 almost as if all the agents and the executives said, 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:12.959 let's set up their Wednesday podcast perfectly by dropping all 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:16.360 that news right before it. Yes, so we as you know, 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:19.600 there are eight job openings, or there were. They are 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.600 filling up fast and furious. In fact, they think there's 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:24.800 just although some things you still have to cross, the 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:26.880 teas dot, the eyes on contract. I think we're all 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:29.280 only done to three teams, really, Greg, that we don't 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:32.960 know who their head coach would be. So we're getting there. 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:38.120 And Mark, I thought it was too my off the Bungles, 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:41.040 the Dolphins and the Jets. Are you right, You're essentially 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:45.760 not Mark budd He forgets about the bengk Yes, you 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.079 ready to get into because we're gonna start with your team. 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:52.440 Let's do it. Because the Cleveland Browns just this morning 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:59.320 made it official they will promote Freddie Kitchens. They like 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:02.760 what they know in that Kitchens, and they say keep 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:09.160 him around. They promote Freddie from offensive coordinator to head coach. Uh. 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:14.000 And because you can't just especially with the personality Bob, 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:17.400 you can't have Greg Williams ascend to head coach and 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:19.320 then do well and say all right, now you get 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:22.519 to be an underling again. They say bye, Greg, good 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:25.760 bad day for the triple Jeeves Greg. Greg Williams, after 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:27.600 all he did for the Browns in the second half 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:30.320 of the season, gets his walking papers. But it makes sense. 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.960 But let's focus for now on Freddie Kitchens. Mark Sessler, 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:37.840 because you would. You were calling for this for weeks 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:40.720 because you loved what he did once he took over 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.240 for Todd Haley. So you're happy with this move, arn't. 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:46.560 I mean, there's never really been since, and it's so depressing. 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:48.080 You have to go back to like the mid to 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:51.600 late eighties to find a relationship in Cleveland where the 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.880 quarterback and you know when he win, Freddie Kitchens was 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:57.120 the play caller to now the head coach, had a 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:01.600 tight relationship that was also creative and thriving, so that 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.040 what bothered me was the idea of breaking that up. 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:06.960 I thought this was a very interesting coaching search, one 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:09.840 of the more unusual ones in the league, where everyone 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:12.920 went in thinking, oh, well, Jimmy Haslum is going to 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:16.160 make everyone higher. Adam Gates because Peyton Manning is his 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:18.160 friend and he's in his ear saying Adam Gaze is 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.880 the great guy. Adam Gatee never even gets an interview. 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.480 Then said, well, it's obviously gonna be Mike McCarthy because 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:26.840 the front office littered with all these Packers people, and 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:29.279 Mike McCarthy doesn't even get an interview. They delayed that 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:32.560 and they could have done that week's ages ago. So Kitchens, 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.440 you know, at the Latin the last seventy two hours, 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:39.359 got thrust into the role. Was a very realistic candidate. 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:41.640 And then at the end this Kevin Stefanski thing that 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.320 blew up where they brought him in for a second interview, 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:47.680 and there was as earlier this morning, that, Oh, the 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:49.800 Browns are doing the most Brown's thing. There's an in 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:54.120 house battle based on analytics and more football meathead types, 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.280 one of them wanting Kitchens, one of them wanting Stefanski. 0:04:57.640 --> 0:04:58.920 But in the end you find out, I mean that 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.279 you're reading that a lot of people were pushing for 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:05.400 Freddie Kitchens, starting with John Dorsey obviously here. So I 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:07.800 think they made the right choice, and they navigated which 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:10.799 strange pool of candidates compared to other years in general. 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:15.960 Jim Caldwell, Dan Campbell, Matt I'm happy with it. I 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:18.040 don't understand if you're looking if the whole thing is 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:21.040 to find someone who can who shows a skill at 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:24.920 calling plays, shows a skill at maximizing players like Nick 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:27.920 Chubb who had essentially no role before Hugh Jackson left, 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:31.200 and taking players like that and of course your quarterback 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:33.000 and saying let's make this offense as good as it 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:36.760 can be. They showed vastly different, uh, you know, capabilities 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:39.280 after Kitchens took over. Why would you break that up 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:42.320 and hire another untested play caller or someone else. So 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:45.640 a home run, that's that's good to hear, Mark, and 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:47.560 you know what it is, it's such a great unknown 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:51.440 this process. He this guy still is an unknown. Let's 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:53.839 face it. He Yeah, he's forty four. He's never really 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:57.080 had a responsibility anywhere close to this, so there is 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:58.640 risk to it. You look at a guy like Jim 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:00.960 Bob Couter who's out on his on his butt now. 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:03.600 I was gonna say Cooner, he's out on his butt 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:06.320 right now. Uh. He had his his data shine as 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:08.880 an offense coordinator and then that wore off. That's the 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:11.880 fear that maybe this was more a quick, uh little 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:15.080 flash in the pan with Kitchens. That's the fear though. 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.600 But you can't quote. You can't make this decision based 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.799 on fear. You had results, which in most cases people 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:24.080 are hiring blind Cliff Kingsbury. We're gonna get to at Arizona. 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:26.680 That's a totally blind higher by the Cardinals. That may 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.160 work out, it may blow up Kitchens. At least they 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:32.360 had this knowledge that he worked well in Mayfield. They 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:34.599 were scoring points and they were functional on offense. So 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:37.520 I'd like to hire. There's this cottage industry in the NFL, 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:41.000 think tanks and consultants, agents in the ear of NFL 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:44.440 insiders pushing the right coaches or the ones that get 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:47.719 the endorsements. And I thought Joe Banner, former Eagles and 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:50.080 Browns president, made a good point. You see guys like 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:53.080 Freddie Kitchens and Matt eberf Loos, And I would even 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:56.360 extend this to Kevin Stefanski, who did impress the Browns 0:06:56.360 --> 0:07:00.040 in their interview. Um, guys who come from nowhere and 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.200 and do the job well. Like these guys aren't. Their 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:05.800 name isn't in the news. They're not being propped up 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.240 for years as coaching candidates, And it makes you think 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:11.320 who else is out there, who who's a position coach 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:13.560 or who's a lower on a coaching staff that can 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:15.200 do a better job than some of these guys like 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:17.040 been around for years, like many people like I went 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:19.720 to Freddie Kitchen's Wikipedia page over the last week and 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:22.680 because I didn't really know much about him the You know, 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:24.560 he was a quarterback at Alabama, which a lot of 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:27.240 college fans will know for four years, but he was 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:30.400 the quarterbacks coach under Bruce Arians for four years. He 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:33.600 was a position coach with the Cardinals for a decade. 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:36.400 It is tough to keep a job in the NFL 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:39.800 on the same team for a decade, through multiple different 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:43.400 coaching administrations, and so the fact that he impressed all 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:45.440 those different coaches to keep those jobs. He was tight 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.120 ends coach and quarterbacks coach, then running backs coach, all 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:50.840 with Arizona before he ended up coming with the Browns. 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:54.080 It's not like he's a total overnight story. He's been 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:57.239 in the NFL for eleven years. And I think Dan's 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:59.920 point is perfect is that they do know him bet 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.640 or than any of those other candidates, and he's a 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:04.800 little different. Like I like the way he talks. I 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:08.240 like that his wife is named Ginger. I like I 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:10.880 just see he has. He cuts a different profile than 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:13.920 a lot of the Kitchens, a little perfect. I don't 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:16.440 even know m Baker. Him and Baker seemed like a 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:20.000 fun kind of like personality match too. They did talk 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:22.080 about there were so many different people reporting this that 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.160 Stefanski and Kitchens were so close that they were going 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:28.080 to incorporate Baker Mayfield's take on this, and I wonder 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:31.360 if that pushed it over the edge. Um and back 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.280 to Greg Williams. I find irony in the fact that 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:38.280 Williams caught a lot of flak throughout the season for 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:40.640 his hard Knocks comment that he had seven job offers 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.200 on the table when he went to the Browns. And 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:47.240 it's funny because Greg Williams will absolutely, in my mind, 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:50.640 be a defensive coordinator somewhere. And there are like eight teams, 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:52.760 you know, six eight teams looking for a d C 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:56.800 right now. Probably who he might get seven offers. Well, 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.360 I don't know about that. He might get it. He 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:01.760 might get it. He's gonna get offers. I don't think 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:04.400 he hurt himself over the last two months of the season. Opposite, 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:08.319 I think I don't. But he's a unique personality match 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:12.360 whose NFL career would have absolutely ended if not for 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.160 Jeff Fisher, who he had such a close relationship with, 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:17.880 and that's what the NFL is all about. I don't 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:21.440 I'd have to go through the coordinator openings right now 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:23.679 and try to figure out a match because I don't 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:25.839 think he'll have a lot of offers. He might get one, 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:29.400 You're right, Dan, just because personality wise, I don't know 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:33.120 how many head coaches are gonna feel comfortable bringing him up. 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:34.440 You want to put a sandwich on it that he 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:36.520 gets a job now, because I think you're I think 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:38.319 there's a decent chance. I just I want to, I 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:40.040 would want to look at the teams and think about 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:43.240 what about he gets seven jobs. I would put one 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:45.680 on that he gets seven offers. Um, I won't do 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:48.160 that with you. More making the point he does have 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:50.840 more of a market now than he does his make 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:53.440 believe market that he had before he got the Brown's 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:56.680 job in my opinion. But all right, and yes, Kevin Stefancy, 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:58.520 by the way, a good day for the sixty percent 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:00.439 of GE's out there. We don't want him being the 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:06.400 main representative ouch Kevin Stavanski does after not getting the 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:09.720 Browns job. He's the full time o C for the Vikings, 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:13.400 so he sticks around there. Moving on the Denver Broncos, 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:18.800 they go in a different direction. Uh. They higher former 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:23.240 Bears defensive coordinator Vick fa as their new head coach. 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:25.680 So in the era where everyone is looking for the 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:29.560 next Sean McVeigh, John Elway bucks that trend. He says, 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:32.240 I like the guy that's a good defensive play called caller. 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.920 Get my defense back to where it should be. Uh 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:40.440 your thoughts, west On, It doesn't really surprise me that 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:43.240 John Elway went defense and sort of win against the 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:45.800 grain of what's popular in the NFL. Right now. He 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:48.600 went defense with his last higher, and it seems to 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:51.120 me that he thinks Gary Kubiak can just come out 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:53.079 of the front office, go right back to the sidelines 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:55.679 and take over the offense and they'll be fine. But 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:58.240 this team has built on its defense, and I think 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:01.120 John Elway knows that, and once continue you to sort 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:04.719 of feature the defenses the featured part of this this organization. 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.280 Alway made this comment, he said, I wanted one side 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:09.800 of the ball to be dominant, because you know, it's 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:11.720 rare that it's both. And I think that that this 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:15.840 is a movement towards getting back to running that defense 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:17.679 the way that he wants it to be running well, 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:19.840 and it doesn't make sense without Kubiak, But Kubiak is 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:22.360 the offensive coordinator, and that's a huge higher. I mean, 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:26.400 that's to me, that's partly why they hired Fongio. What 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:27.960 do we all have to say, they're well, I mean, 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:30.959 totally up to your I'm gonna get Fangio because he 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:33.920 Victor Fangio, who's sixty years old. I mean, does that 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:39.320 sounds yeah? He has as much respect I think league 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:42.560 wide and just for the week to week game plans 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:44.440 that he's come up with dating back to his days 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:46.959 and with the forty Niners and now with the Bears. 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:49.520 It's just about any defensive play caller in the league 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:51.320 over the last decade. Like if you put who's been 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:53.920 the best coordinator of the last decade on defense, he'd 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:56.800 be in the top five for sure. And so you're 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:00.120 you're combining that defensive mind with Gary Kubiak, who was 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:02.760 up there in terms of offensive coordinators and certainly did 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:05.200 a great job when he was with Denver. So as 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:08.400 long as Kubiak's healthy, Like that's if I'm a Broncos fan, 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:10.440 I feel pretty good about I'm gonna throw it over 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:13.880 to coordinator corner Mark Sessler spends a lot of time 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:17.400 over there as well, as we know Mark Gary Kubiak 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:21.000 good buddies with John Elway. Probably has hung out in 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:23.920 the lobby of the used car lot many times, just 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:27.360 shooting the s any concerns if you're a Vic Fogio 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:30.920 that a Super Bowl winning head coach is now your 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:34.079 assistant and he also happens to be best buds with 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:39.040 your boss, I would be a little concern just because 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:42.080 they're total They're totally tight, and if there's issues there. 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:44.800 You may not win the pushing pulp, but I think 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:48.440 Fongio did I say that right? I'll leave that to 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.160 you as well. I mean that had to be part 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.840 and parcel for what might be his only shot to 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.000 be ahead. These guys are vet. These guys have been 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:58.960 in the NFL for thirty years. They probably know each 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.600 other very well. Kuby act seems about as much as 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:03.800 any head coach I can think of as a relatively 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:08.200 ego free, egoist guy, not a Malcuavelli. And I was 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:12.360 surprised because it's like, Okay, if your health, why doesn't 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:14.160 he just become the head coach? And I and I 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:16.800 did ask what I heard I heard from you know, 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:18.960 the insiders word they he really thought that there's a 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:24.480 different health in stress because he's been different roles between 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:28.240 coordinator and head coach. That he essentially was asking, can 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:30.320 I be I want to be a coordinator again. The 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:32.720 Broncos were like, you can't leave, we want you to 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:34.880 be our coordinator. But he did not want to be 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:36.600 the head coach. He did not want to be considered 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:38.800 because he thought that's too stressful. He's been through it before. 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.400 It's interesting because it's not like coordinators are an easy job. 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:48.320 It's harder than apparently he apparently that's what he wanted 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:50.760 to do, and that's what lay wanted to because it's 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.000 like he's not a young man. That's got to be 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:56.600 harder than pcent of jobs out there. Said Still, apparently 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.719 the word is that Kubiak, like you're saying, doesn't want 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:02.720 to be head coach anymore. But Bruce arians didn't want 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:04.400 to be a head coach anymore a year ago. I'm 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:08.320 just saying he's fifty. People change, people, their opinions change. 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:10.160 He gets back into the sport, he might get the itch. 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:12.360 And what if he starts having conversations with l A 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:14.679 me as a person, if I if I was Vic 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.920 Foggio a little bit nervous about another angle because La 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:20.480 and him are so tight. I'm sure the money side 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:24.080 for Kubiak for doing less is probably very good. His 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:26.280 friend is going to pay him very well. If I'd 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.320 like to think that the order we get the right, 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:32.240 the less Machia alien more able to get along with 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:34.760 other people, and maybe one of those head coaches that 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:39.240 would like have sources that buried the other coordinator through 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:43.280 the media, I mean, Palace and drink. Don't be obtuse, Gregg. 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:47.320 This is a cutthroat business and there's a lot of backbiting, 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:52.440 and you know, all the shop talking behind the scenes backstabbing. 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:55.440 Doesn't help that Fongio probably wants nothing to do with 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:59.200 the offense at all. That they are all over fifth 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.760 like that they're they're fifty seven and up. I think 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:05.760 they're not sweating that as much and hopefully enjoying. You know, 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:11.160 it's like a check going on, right, Those are great. Uh, 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:16.920 let's spin the carousel and move on to another um 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:20.120 old man relatively compared to what we're seeing in the game, 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:24.400 Bruce Arians. We just brought up retired so that my body, 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:28.840 my mind. Dude, I'll know this NFL sideline business, went 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.480 to CBS, went in the booth. Didn't like that so much. 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.840 You got an itch for the game, ends up getting 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:37.920 hired by the Bucks, who have to be greg happy 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:41.680 with how this landed for them because they still they're 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:46.160 conflicted obviously about Jameis Winston at this point. But if 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.320 you want to get one more shot to see if 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:51.040 the number one overall pick is gonna fly, how about 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:54.840 a guy that loves the downfield bombing attack. Bruce Arians 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:58.480 is another proven, tested guy, not bad. It's a perfect 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:00.840 match for winston skill set. I mean they showed I 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.680 saw this graph that showed what quarterbacks over the last 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.880 six years have the highest air yards per attempt per 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:12.360 season and all of the Basically there were two players 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.360 off the charts, and those two players were Carson Palmer 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:19.760 under Bruce Arians and Jamis Winston throughout his career. And 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:23.440 I think a guy like Arians probably convinced them that 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:26.440 he sees the good parts of Winston in in that 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:30.680 he seems like a very football smart guy about of 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.200 the time, and he makes some really crazy decisions, but 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:35.440 he's still twenty four years old and has a ton 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:38.880 of production. It's also away for Jason Light, who worked 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:41.520 with Arians in Arizona, to kind of this is his 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:43.680 last chance. I feel like they are on the hot 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:46.400 seat right away because Jason Light is on a hot 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:49.280 seat and he's so tied to Arians, He's so tied 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:53.440 to Winston that even though he's signed a four year contract, 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:57.320 it feels like they need to produce quickly or else 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.400 this whole thing could get blown up. And that is 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:02.520 based on the track record of the Bucks under the Glazers. 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.760 No one's changed coaches over the last twelve years more 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:07.399 than the Bucks and the Browns, and they have not 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:09.280 made the playoffs in eleven years. So I think the 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:11.520 expectations are gonna be high, but they should be high 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:14.800 with Arians and Todd Bowles is defensive coordinator Byron Left, 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:17.800 which is a play caller in in passing. That's a 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:21.639 nice that's nice. Apparently Todd Bowles and the Bears that 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:24.480 not official, but now they're coming after him. So perhaps 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:26.680 Todd Bowles has a decision to make and I'll say 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.639 and we'll get back to Arians, but that's not an 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:32.359 easy decision. Bowles has a good relationship with Arians, we know, 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:35.320 and they have some nice players West on that roster 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:40.320 and extreme uh the Bears defensive coordinator job. That's a 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:43.720 good gig. But maybe the deal breaker West is that 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:47.280 Bruce Arians is a late period Parcels year to year 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:50.160 type coach at this stage of his life. Todd Bowles 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:52.040 might have a ticket for the big chair if he 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:55.359 can get that defense surging and then he gets a shot. 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:57.880 It's a tricky spot for Bulls because he and Arians 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:00.159 are tight, and I do think the Bucks defense is 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:03.320 more talent than is commonly believed. But you could also 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:06.119 be featured as the Bears defensive coordinator if they can 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:08.120 go on a Super Bowl run, and Byron Left, which 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:10.240 could be a kind of head coach and waiting well. 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:13.399 I think the way if it worked really well, The 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.040 way in which Arians has built his coaching staffs, I 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.360 think is one of the most intriguing in the NFL. 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.560 There are only two of thirty two coaches who are black, 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:25.560 and we're in an arrow where everybody wants to hire 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:29.000 the bright, young, innovative mastermind. On the offensive side of 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:33.520 the ball. Offensive coordinators are white, quarterback coaches are just 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:39.080 about white. Offensive line coaches are about white. So how 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.640 do you these guys get jobs? I think a guy 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:43.960 like Bruce Arians has gone out of his way to 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:47.600 hire minority coaches. He's thrust Harold Goodwin into the play 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:51.479 calling role in preseason, Goodwins joining him in Arizona too, 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:54.520 and Left. Now he's he's allowing Byron Left which to 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:56.679 take over the passing game, and I think this is 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:59.560 going forward. I'd like to see more white coaches do 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:03.160 stuff like this as an avenue toward getting some African 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:05.240 Americans into these jobs. It's going to be a story 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:08.879 once this carousel stops spinning, we're gonna be down to 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:11.280 very few plaque coaches in the league. Where are we 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:15.640 on that, well, no, I mean, it's what West just 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:20.640 said exactly, because there are at it down to it's 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:22.720 down to one. The Bengals, you know, some of the 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:26.160 types there, has a chance to be the only team 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:28.639 I think that has a higher The Dolphins also, Brian 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:33.439 Flores has been attached them pretty closely, so we are 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:35.480 kind of waiting. But you're you're right. It's been a 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:38.200 rough season for Africa. It's just a study that you mentioned. 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:40.399 It's exactly. It's the Sean McVeigh, Go find the next 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:43.800 Sean McVeigh, and and that pool of candidates is largely 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:46.359 Caucasian and that and that's the issue. Let's talk about 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:48.600 this some more with click Cliff Kingsbury. If that's where 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:50.920 we're going next, yause, I think that's a big part 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:57.119 of that, Cliff clings Cliff Kingsbury say, gonna have to 0:19:57.119 --> 0:19:59.760 get used to it, at least for one to three years. 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:04.920 Cliff Kingsbury, who was the Texas Tech head coach, didn't 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:07.280 work out. He got canned takes a job as the 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:10.320 o c at u uh at USC A lot of 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:12.879 hard things to say here, and then finds out a 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:15.000 bunch of teams are looking for the next Sean McVeigh 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:19.440 wiggles out of the USC deal, moves into an interview process, 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:22.879 meets with the Cardinals, the Jets besides Arizona's where he 0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:25.160 wants the head coach. He is now the new head 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:28.480 coach of the Cardinals West. What were you going to say, 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:31.480 there's all this criticism that it's such a risky higher, 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:33.960 it's not a safe move, Well, who's safe? John Fox 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.840 and Jeff Fisher with Steve Wilkes safe and he lasted 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:39.119 one year because he had a sub NFL offense. How 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:41.280 about every years? If it's safe? Right, how about every 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:43.920 coach that just got fired? Were those were those safe 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:45.879 or not? Like if you're if you're an owner or 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:48.160 a team president, you're looking around the league and you 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:51.520 see Doug Peterson with Carson Wentz and Nick Fooles. You 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:54.720 see Frank Reich with Andrew Luck, You see Matteggie with 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:58.160