Speaker 1: Hell I Suck At Dating with Dean Anglert and Dared
Speaker 1: Haven and I heard radio podcast. Hey, welcome to a
Speaker 1: very very very special episode of Help I Suck At Dating.
Speaker 1: We've been doing this podcast for quite some time now,
Speaker 1: and throughout that time, uh, you have seen both Dean
Speaker 1: and myself be single. You have seen us both being
Speaker 1: committed relationships from paradise. You have seen me get engaged
Speaker 1: married and have our wonderful little boy, Dawson. And now
Speaker 1: on this episode today, October two thousand and twenty two,
Speaker 1: whatever episode it is of Help I Second Dating, we
Speaker 1: can say that Dean Angler Deanie Babies is engaged to
Speaker 1: Kaylin Miller. Keys. Have a round of applause, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, Dean,
Speaker 1: how you doing, buddy? Congratulations? Well, first off, Jared, you
Speaker 1: look twenty years younger right now because I shaved. I
Speaker 1: don't think i've seen your cheek or your jaw bones
Speaker 1: in five years. I mean it's been at least that long.
Speaker 1: So we did Batman for Halloween, so I had to
Speaker 1: shave down really show off the jaw. You know, I
Speaker 1: gotta gotta get myself into that Robert Pattinson mode. But
Speaker 1: this is not about me. It's not about me shaving
Speaker 1: or looking young or tired or dead on the inside.
Speaker 1: This is about you. Uh, dean, dude. Congratulations, man, it's awesome.
Speaker 1: You're engaged. Dude, you're engaged your fiance. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: we're engaged. It doesn't feel any different though, to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, because I've already worn the wedding ring
Speaker 1: for three years, we have already owned a house together
Speaker 1: for two years. But don't get me wrong, it is beautiful.
Speaker 1: I am very happy be engaged. Um. I know there's
Speaker 1: always been a lot of like questions about whether we
Speaker 1: just secretly eloped and got married to each other, And
Speaker 1: so that's kind of why it's like, while I do
Speaker 1: feel different and happy and excited, it doesn't I don't know,
Speaker 1: it doesn't. It doesn't if it doesn't feel like there
Speaker 1: was like it wasn't as big of a step as
Speaker 1: like a normal relationship would have taken. Because we've already
Speaker 1: taken that big step. I feel like, you know, So
Speaker 1: my first question to you is did you actually lose
Speaker 1: the ring or was that a whole lie that you had.
Speaker 1: I saw people like commenting that I I have lost it.
Speaker 1: If I have lost the ring. I am going to
Speaker 1: find it. Uh. It's funny because I asked Kalin with
Speaker 1: I got like a cute little half carrot diamond and
Speaker 1: like like not in an emerald cut because I don't
Speaker 1: think you can make an emerald cut ring that's small.
Speaker 1: And ask Kalin and it's like holding the ring up
Speaker 1: and she like leaned over and put her hands on
Speaker 1: her knees and like looking at it. And I wasn't
Speaker 1: sure if she was looking at it because she wanted
Speaker 1: to see if it was like the ring that I
Speaker 1: claimed to have lost, or if she was just sizing
Speaker 1: it up or whatever. And I like felt kind of insecure,
Speaker 1: like she was like staring at it um and then
Speaker 1: sure enough it was just she was like taking off
Speaker 1: her ring that she was wearing so I could put
Speaker 1: that ring on her. But then she was like, let's
Speaker 1: take pictures of it, like we were like the beach
Speaker 1: at sunset, and I was like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: take pictures of this ring because I'm embarrassed by how
Speaker 1: small it is. It don't be embarrassing. I mean you
Speaker 1: should be embarrassed you lost the ring, not by the
Speaker 1: size of the new ring. Yeah, well I am I
Speaker 1: am embarrassed by both things. And the new ring is
Speaker 1: cool too. I was like talking to the guy about
Speaker 1: it from He was like, yeah, once you find the
Speaker 1: old ring, you can just bring this one back and
Speaker 1: we'll turn into like a necklace or something. So I've
Speaker 1: decided if I find the new the old ring, then
Speaker 1: I'll get the new ring made into a necklace for me. Obviously,
Speaker 1: would you wear it as that'd be kind of cute
Speaker 1: if you wore it as a necklace. Yeah. And then
Speaker 1: I was thinking too, instead of getting her an engagement ring,
Speaker 1: I wanted to get her an engagement necklace. That way
Speaker 1: we didn't have to trans any diamond at all. But
Speaker 1: then I was like, no, that's a little too abstract.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick with the ring. I'm gonna keep it
Speaker 1: a little traditional. I guess what you could do is
Speaker 1: you could turn the ring that you actually proposed with
Speaker 1: into a necklace, like you said, and have it be
Speaker 1: like a family heirloom. So if you guys decided to
Speaker 1: have kids, you could pass that down and say this
Speaker 1: is the actual diamond that I proposed to your mother with,
Speaker 1: and then this is the one that I lost, and
Speaker 1: this is the one that I lost the big gass
Speaker 1: one is the one that I lost. So she wears
Speaker 1: the mom wears that one. Yeah, Mom, because she's not
Speaker 1: gonna lose that one. Um. Yeah. So that was how
Speaker 1: that all went. I um uh, it was a fun hike.
Speaker 1: I want to get Kalin on here at something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want Kalin on here too. My question is, do
Speaker 1: you for you did an eleven mile hike? Did you
Speaker 1: do that on purpose because you really wanted her just
Speaker 1: to be It's the most deean thing to have her
Speaker 1: be completely exhausted, sweaty, tired, annoyed at you, And then
Speaker 1: that's when you just turned it all around and propose.
Speaker 1: I figured I've tested her so much, there had to
Speaker 1: have been one final test for her. So she survives,
Speaker 1: she gets the ring, and she passed. She passed the
Speaker 1: test barely, though there were times. There were time I
Speaker 1: don't want to have her on this podcast episode, but
Speaker 1: I do want to have her on at some point
Speaker 1: in the future and have her like recount her experience
Speaker 1: because my experience and her experience are gonna be very different.
Speaker 1: We So it's eleven miles and the weather was perfect,
Speaker 1: it was beautiful, sunny, well, it was twenty two miles.
Speaker 1: I guess she's because it's eleven miles in and eleven
Speaker 1: miles out, and so there's like a halfway point that
Speaker 1: you can hike too, so it's six miles in in camp,
Speaker 1: and then you finished the next five miles the next day.
Speaker 1: And so the first day we get it, we kind
Speaker 1: of start late because we had a couple of things
Speaker 1: to do in the morning, and then we start hiking
Speaker 1: and then we get to the halfway point and we're like, wow,
Speaker 1: that was a tough day, but we're here. Let's cook
Speaker 1: some food. I cooked us up some sausages and some vegetables.
Speaker 1: It was delicious. And then we woke up the next
Speaker 1: day and started the next part of the trek. And
Speaker 1: that part is like the infamous part of the trek.
Speaker 1: It's called Crawler's Ledge. It's like a mile long track
Speaker 1: of like sheer cliff on one side. And I I
Speaker 1: personally thought it was fine. I didn't have an issue
Speaker 1: with it. I want to I can't stress that enough.
Speaker 1: I didn't have an issue with it. Um Kalin, on
Speaker 1: the other hand, the other party did have an issue
Speaker 1: with it. Yes. Kalin on the other hand, was very
Speaker 1: angry at me for taking her there. She asked if
Speaker 1: we could turn around fifty five times, and eventually I
Speaker 1: just started saying, yeah, let's turn around. If you want
Speaker 1: to turn around, let's turn around. And but she didn't.
Speaker 1: I mean credit to her, because she was crying, she
Speaker 1: was angry, she was cursing at me, but she stuck
Speaker 1: with it and she eventually finished it. Um, so yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was a it was a trying experience.
Speaker 1: It's I was thinking, too, it's pretty funny, um to
Speaker 1: make the person that you're gonna ask to marry you
Speaker 1: cry on the day that you're going to propose to them.
Speaker 1: Cried for like a like an hour that day. You
Speaker 1: want to make them cry, but you don't want to
Speaker 1: make them cry out of pain and sheer sadness. You know,
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be happy tears that day, right. And
Speaker 1: I did everything too. I like, I moved all of
Speaker 1: her stuff into my backpack so she didn't need to
Speaker 1: wear a backpack. I walked ahead a mile, put my
Speaker 1: backpack down, came back with no backpack. That way I
Speaker 1: could like like spot her as she moved along the cliffs.
Speaker 1: I was doing everything. I was working over time. I
Speaker 1: was trying to encourage her as best I can. But
Speaker 1: it wasn't I mean, it was scary. They were scary
Speaker 1: points I could see, like I could see someone getting
Speaker 1: scared in those points, in those moments when you would
Speaker 1: say it was scary, Do you think it was scary
Speaker 1: because they she could have died. Yeah, she could have died.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're an insane man. People die on
Speaker 1: this hike like semi regularly. Um, this is the hike
Speaker 1: you chose. As far as it was beautiful, it was beautiful,
Speaker 1: the pictures look great. We got lucky. So we did
Speaker 1: the crawler's ledge section. It was perfect weather. If you
Speaker 1: crossed it like the rain and it's all slippery and muddy,
Speaker 1: that's when it's really really dangerous. But it's still like
Speaker 1: it's just it's a body wide, single dirt path and
Speaker 1: it's like, as long as you just stay on that path,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna fall off the path. But I could
Speaker 1: see why, like if you're if you get a wandering
Speaker 1: eye and your eye wanders off to the side a
Speaker 1: little bit and you can see, oh, there's a two
Speaker 1: ft cliff over here. If I make one bad step,
Speaker 1: then I could see how that gets in your head anyways.
Speaker 1: So we were doing that and I kept encouraging her.
Speaker 1: If she wanted to stop, we could stop, We could
Speaker 1: turn around, we could go back to the trailhead, we
Speaker 1: could find a hotel. And I was like, I was
Speaker 1: kind of it was kind of like a reverse psychology thing.
Speaker 1: I was thinking. I was like, if I tell her
Speaker 1: we can return around, there's no way in how she's
Speaker 1: gonna want to turn around. And there was like three
Speaker 1: moments where I was like, Damn, she's really she's she
Speaker 1: is really pushing herself here to the like to the utmost,
Speaker 1: like to the full brink of what she can do.
Speaker 1: And I swear to God, I was like, she's gonna
Speaker 1: ask to turn around, and I would have had no
Speaker 1: choice but to like turn around with her, and we
Speaker 1: would have gone back and figured something else out. But um,
Speaker 1: I do I like I did. I want to give
Speaker 1: her as much credit as possible because it's easy for
Speaker 1: me to do stuff like that because I'm not scared
Speaker 1: of it. But it's much more challenging for someone that
Speaker 1: is scared of it to still push through evan and
Speaker 1: then do it. And she had no idea that I
Speaker 1: was gonna engage too, So getting proposed, I guess, so, um,
Speaker 1: like she's just thinking, what was going on a random hike?
Speaker 1: And like I'd be pretty piste too if I was
Speaker 1: doing something that I didn't really want to do for
Speaker 1: some reason that I didn't really know, you know, did
Speaker 1: you have a plan B? What if she was like, Dean,
Speaker 1: I'm done, I'm turning around, we have to leave right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't have a plan B. But once she started
Speaker 1: saying that she want to turn around, I started thinking
Speaker 1: of what a plan B would have been. And I
Speaker 1: don't think I really thought of anything good. So thankfully
Speaker 1: there was no need for it. But so okay, So
Speaker 1: on date. So we did through three nights. On the
Speaker 1: first day we hiked halfway and slept. On the second
Speaker 1: day was the day that I planned the proposing, and
Speaker 1: so we finished the hike to the beach. We started
Speaker 1: kind of early that day, at like seven am, and
Speaker 1: then we got to the beach around like noon, and
Speaker 1: so I was like, great, I've got six hours to
Speaker 1: figure out where I want to propose, set up the camera,
Speaker 1: do the whole spiel, the whole proposal spiel, and Caitlin,
Speaker 1: fortunately for me, unfortunately for her, she was struggling, so
Speaker 1: she laid down in the tent for like an hour
Speaker 1: and took a nap and took some medicine. She had
Speaker 1: a headache and her legs retired and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: And I was like, great, this gives me time to
Speaker 1: go out and explore figure out where I want to
Speaker 1: do it because I've never been there before. I didn't
Speaker 1: really know anything about it, and walked around scouted at
Speaker 1: the location. I was like, Okay, cool, this is where
Speaker 1: I want to do it. So I go back to
Speaker 1: the campsite and um, she's like still struggling a little bit.
Speaker 1: I was like, let me cook you some food. So
Speaker 1: we cook her some food, and then an hour later,
Speaker 1: it's like three pm, and I was like, let's just
Speaker 1: take a nice walk on the beach. I found this
Speaker 1: really cool spot. I want to get cute pictures of us,
Speaker 1: and so she like walks down to the beach and
Speaker 1: I was like, go stand over there near that rock
Speaker 1: or like near those that rock wall, and she was like,
Speaker 1: you want to walk all the way over there. I
Speaker 1: was like, walk all the way over there. You've walked
Speaker 1: eleven miles so far, what's another hundred feet? Anyways, so
Speaker 1: she goes and stands out there and um start taking pictures.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, okay, hang on one second,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna set up the self timer. I'm gonna run
Speaker 1: out there next to you. And then I like, go
Speaker 1: out there next to her, give her the good side
Speaker 1: because we both have the same good side, which is
Speaker 1: pretty unfortunate for me. And uh, you've got a good side,
Speaker 1: I imagine, right. Yeah, I like to be on my
Speaker 1: I like to have my left showing, so do I
Speaker 1: and so does Kalin. Yeah. I think that's everybody's good side.
Speaker 1: Nobody likes to have their right Why is nobody like
Speaker 1: this profile on there right? But everybody likes to have
Speaker 1: their left profile. You wanna what's funny? Even you just
Speaker 1: showing me those two profiles. I agree, your left side
Speaker 1: is your good side. Yeah, my left side and my
Speaker 1: good side. I don't know why. What is Ashley's a
Speaker 1: good side? Uh? Her left, damn it? Yeah, her left?
Speaker 1: Because every picture I was just thinking about pictures of
Speaker 1: her and everything, she's on my left. So, no wonder
Speaker 1: I don't like myself in pictures. I'm showing my poor side. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you probably didn't even realize that she's always snaking
Speaker 1: the good side from me, and she just comes right up.
Speaker 1: We'll swop off. So like if she's had the good
Speaker 1: side for a couple of times, and I'll take the
Speaker 1: good side, got it. But obviously an engagement, she gets
Speaker 1: the good side. For this, I knew that I had
Speaker 1: to give her the good side. So I ran out
Speaker 1: there and I was like, oh, I saw this TikTok
Speaker 1: trend where you stand facing away from each other and
Speaker 1: then you count to three and you turn around. It's
Speaker 1: like a fun candid shot and I have like there's
Speaker 1: just a self time or like just taking a bunch
Speaker 1: of a bunch of pictures every every second from are
Speaker 1: far away. And so she's like three to one and
Speaker 1: we turned around and jump and then I was like,
Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, wait, we can do better than that.
Speaker 1: And so then I turned back around and I grabbed
Speaker 1: the ring out of my pocket and she's like three
Speaker 1: to one and we jump around and I was on
Speaker 1: one knee and I said, that's so sweet, man, it
Speaker 1: was pretty cute. I guess I, um, yeah, I did
Speaker 1: you know. Never thought this day would come. I never
Speaker 1: thought I would uh propose to Miss North Carolina on
Speaker 1: a beach in Hawaii, but here, we are here, we
Speaker 1: are here, you are So what made you want to
Speaker 1: choose that beach because you've never been there before? You
Speaker 1: just maybe saw them pictures and said that's where I
Speaker 1: want to propose. They kind of worked out in a
Speaker 1: weird way. So we were we were in Oahu like
Speaker 1: three or four months ago for a wedding and we
Speaker 1: went to Kauai afterwards. And in Kauai we did like
Speaker 1: a helicopter tour of the Neapoli coast. And I've always
Speaker 1: my brother had done that hike like seven years ago,
Speaker 1: and he's always raved about it. So I got on
Speaker 1: the website and I looked at permits because you need
Speaker 1: you need a reserve permits for the hike, and there
Speaker 1: was a date window from October three to October and
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, that's really cool because October is
Speaker 1: a special date for me because that's like the anniversary
Speaker 1: of my mom passing away. And so I saw those
Speaker 1: dates on we were like booking the reservation on the
Speaker 1: airplane as we were leaving Kauai that time for you know,
Speaker 1: for three months in the future, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, that'd probably be a pretty pretty cool
Speaker 1: time to propose, And so that's just kind of how
Speaker 1: that sprung into action. Did you propose? Actually pretty cool
Speaker 1: story too. So so is the anniversary of my mom
Speaker 1: passing away. It's been sixteen years. And every time I
Speaker 1: see a feather, I'm reminded that my mom is with
Speaker 1: me in some way. Every time I go and do something, uh,
Speaker 1: and there are feathers all over the place, so sure,
Speaker 1: like whatever, I can find a feather wherever. Um. Every
Speaker 1: time I'm doing something dangerous like rock climbing or skydiving
Speaker 1: or something like, if I'm rock climbing, I'll come I'll
Speaker 1: be like scared in a moment, and I'll like climb
Speaker 1: up a little bit and I'll see a feather to
Speaker 1: my right and I'm like, wow, cool, my mom is
Speaker 1: watching me. I'm safe or or or she's with me.
Speaker 1: So like I feel comfortable because I know she's here
Speaker 1: with me. So I proposed to calin and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is cool cave over here. I want us to
Speaker 1: go just explore that and cook around it for a
Speaker 1: little bit. And I like go into the cave to
Speaker 1: set up a picture real quick, and she's climbing up
Speaker 1: this little sand dune and this perfect, full fluffy feather
Speaker 1: just rolls right on by Caylin's feet and we and
Speaker 1: there was never a feather on this beach or on
Speaker 1: the hike up until this moment. The very first feather
Speaker 1: we saw was ten minutes after I proposed, and so
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, that's awesome. That's my
Speaker 1: mom saying that she is with us and that she
Speaker 1: approves of of what we're doing. So I was like,
Speaker 1: that's really cool. So I kept a feather Calin's got
Speaker 1: up for my birthday last year or something. She got
Speaker 1: me a little display case for a special feather, which
Speaker 1: is so random, like who gets a special display case
Speaker 1: for a feather? And I was like, well, I don't
Speaker 1: have just a random feather. That's so meaningful to me.
Speaker 1: I want to put it in this case, But now
Speaker 1: I do. Isn't that awesome that she just got it
Speaker 1: out and she just showed it out? Uh so yeah,
Speaker 1: so my mom approves. She is stoked. I'm stoked, and
Speaker 1: Cayln is stoked. Um, but that's beautiful, man, that really is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty. It's pretty cool. I guess. Yeah, it's okay,
Speaker 1: admitting that, you know, I mean it's to have your
Speaker 1: subject and like to do it on you know, that day.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it feels like almost uh certainly not
Speaker 1: I mean it's not my place to say, but ah,
Speaker 1: certainly not like turning the page. That's not what I
Speaker 1: mean at all, But just like a really yeah, um,
Speaker 1: great moment for you, uh right with your mom and Caitlyn. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: I I appreciate you choosing your words carefully. They're not
Speaker 1: that you can say anything that would make me like
Speaker 1: offendit or anything like that. But but yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a nice moment. You know. It's it's always a hard
Speaker 1: time of year for me, this time of year because
Speaker 1: I was get really depressed because I just be reminded
Speaker 1: about how I lost her a long time ago, and
Speaker 1: so I wanted to turn the memory of this day.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be more positive and I want to
Speaker 1: start associating that date with more positive things, and this
Speaker 1: was my way of doing that. And I kind of
Speaker 1: was thinking too as I was like going down there,
Speaker 1: like there is a little bit of selfishness in that,
Speaker 1: Like Cayle, probably, I don't know though, Like Caleen, I'm
Speaker 1: sure it is very happy and would have taken it
Speaker 1: on any day, and she loves being part of this.
Speaker 1: But I do kind of feel like slightly selfish that
Speaker 1: I'm like using her to cheer me up because my
Speaker 1: mom's dad, you know, that's what she wants. I can't imagine,
Speaker 1: Kalen would ever want you to not propose on your
Speaker 1: mother's anniversary because you feel selfish. You know, Listen, when
Speaker 1: you go into a relationship, you're in the relationship because
Speaker 1: you love the other person. You want them to be happy,
Speaker 1: and you want to be a part of the reason
Speaker 1: why they're happy. And I think you proposing on that
Speaker 1: specific day, I bet makes Kalin feel even more special. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she did just wave her finger and she said, no,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make me feel weird at all. Uh. And
Speaker 1: then I told her, I was like, I want to
Speaker 1: get married on until next year because I don't want
Speaker 1: to be I don't want to have an engagement anniversary,
Speaker 1: a wedding anniversary, of first day anniversary, the too many
Speaker 1: do you celebrate all of those? Actually, just acknowledge them, dude. Actually,
Speaker 1: Like throughout the year, she be She'll be like, oh,
Speaker 1: today's the anniversary where we first met. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's like, you don't remember. I'm like, no, I just
Speaker 1: there's a lot, there's a lot to remember these days.
Speaker 1: And then it's like, this is the day that we
Speaker 1: got engaged, and I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, it's that
Speaker 1: time of June, isn't it. Okay, that's great. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like how many anniverse suasan birthdays and holidays could
Speaker 1: there possibly be? And she I told her, I said,
Speaker 1: we have one anniversary now, that is it. It is
Speaker 1: our wedding anniversary anniversary. That's the day. That's the day
Speaker 1: we celebrate when you know, a nice little kiss, being like,
Speaker 1: oh we got engaged five years ago. Great, love you, Okay,
Speaker 1: moving on with my life. And what is the wedding anniversary?
Speaker 1: August twelve, eleventh? Oh so close. So that was good, bro,
Speaker 1: it was good August eleven. So not to talk about wedding,
Speaker 1: but you're thinking October, h yeah. But then I told
Speaker 1: Kyleen Matt and she was like, well, we can't do that.
Speaker 1: We can't do that because next year October is a Tuesday,
Speaker 1: and no one wants to go to a wedding on
Speaker 1: a Tuesday. I mean, there would be nothing more dean
Speaker 1: than to get married and get married on a Tuesday.
Speaker 1: I would I love that so much. You make a
Speaker 1: good point, um, so maybe we just do it like
Speaker 1: the weekend before. I don't know exactly what we would do,
Speaker 1: but we have a nervous venues will be cheap. East
Speaker 1: And said, were you ever nervous that Calin was gonna say? No,
Speaker 1: You're like, oh god, I'm really just taking her to
Speaker 1: the brink of sanity with this hike. She might just
Speaker 1: turn around and be like, I can't do this anymore. Dan.
Speaker 1: She like, no, I can't marry you. I didn't do
Speaker 1: a good enough job of putting into words how angry
Speaker 1: she was at me that day. She I have never
Speaker 1: seen her so angry in my entire life, and she like,
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I don't even know how to
Speaker 1: put it in the words now. She was so angry
Speaker 1: at me. She for literally an hour an hour and
Speaker 1: a half through this sketchy area. I was just sitting
Speaker 1: there like, you've got this, nothing can stop you. You're
Speaker 1: a beast, You're you're fearless, eceter like, just consistently like
Speaker 1: trying to motivate her to like either distract her from
Speaker 1: the scariness of the thing that was going on annoy
Speaker 1: her to where she's more angry at me than she
Speaker 1: is afraid of the high that's going on. And like,
Speaker 1: I don't have direct quotes because I think I have
Speaker 1: mentally pushed it out of my head because I don't
Speaker 1: want to remember her that way at all. But she
Speaker 1: she was she was just like why the like just
Speaker 1: she was just losing. And so when she was losing
Speaker 1: it during that difficult part of the hike, I was like, okay, um,
Speaker 1: Like in my in my head, I'm like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna ask you to marry me in like
Speaker 1: four hours, So you need to turn this attitude around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I need some more positivity from you. Okay. I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't have my my fiancee just being miserable like
Speaker 1: this and great, like obviously she's not gonna be miserable
Speaker 1: like that forever for everything. But I was like, you gotta,
Speaker 1: you gotta get together, sister, like you need to figure
Speaker 1: this out. And then sure enough, Like it was funny
Speaker 1: to see her her growth throughout the entire trip to
Speaker 1: because like the hiking parts always suck and she's always
Speaker 1: she was asking me, She's like, so you just do
Speaker 1: this and you have fun when you hike. And like
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I hate hiking. Hiking sucks. But the
Speaker 1: fun part is camping after the hike, or looking back
Speaker 1: on the whole experience as a whole after the hike,
Speaker 1: because then you have a lot of like a big
Speaker 1: sense of accomplishment. But the hiking part really sucks. And
Speaker 1: so she was complaining, I don't want to say complaining.
Speaker 1: She she was voicing her concerns um throughout the entire
Speaker 1: hiking portion. But every time we got to camp she
Speaker 1: was smiling and laughing and you know, eating her mashed
Speaker 1: potatoes and just relaxing and having a good time. It
Speaker 1: was it was just during the hiking that that really
Speaker 1: uh kind of threw off. The first two days and
Speaker 1: then the last two days she did really great. But
Speaker 1: then we got to camp and I made her some
Speaker 1: food and she settled down, and I was like, okay, cool, now, um,
Speaker 1: now we could do this. But but no, there was
Speaker 1: never there was never a moment where I thought she
Speaker 1: would say no. Although, like I said, when I when
Speaker 1: I got to a knee and I proposed, she took
Speaker 1: a long time to say yes. She took a real
Speaker 1: long time to say yes. And I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know what was going on in her head, but
Speaker 1: it took a lot longer than I imagined. It takes
Speaker 1: you to think about it for a second. Yeah she did.
Speaker 1: And so we were up in like Tahoe for my
Speaker 1: brother's proposal and we photographed it and my brother's wife
Speaker 1: tackled him on the beach because she's so happy. And
Speaker 1: after the proposed, after proposed to Kal and I was like, Hey,
Speaker 1: why didn't you tackle me? Ross's wife tackled him on
Speaker 1: the beach. You didn't even tackle me? What the heck?
Speaker 1: Do you not want to marry me? Do you not
Speaker 1: love me as much as Ross's wife loves him? Um,
Speaker 1: but she made some good points. She's a tiny little
Speaker 1: baby and she wouldn't even be able to tackle me
Speaker 1: even if she tried a million times. Um. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's that's basically that's basically that. And then oh
Speaker 1: and then we popped a bottle of champagne on the beach,
Speaker 1: which was really lovely, so bachelor of you. It was
Speaker 1: pretty bachelor. I was thinking about bringing like one rose
Speaker 1: or something, but uh, we had to do all all
Speaker 1: aggresser shopping in Hawaii the day before and my backpack.
Speaker 1: I'm like a pretty strong guy, and I think I'm
Speaker 1: stronger now in terms of like my hiking ability than
Speaker 1: I ever have been before. Like I can go further,
Speaker 1: I can go longer, I can carry more. And my
Speaker 1: intention this trip was to carry everything for both of
Speaker 1: us for the entire four days and three nights. And
Speaker 1: I feel as much as I could in my bag.
Speaker 1: And then she had like a little overflow in hers
Speaker 1: that weighed maybe like ten pounds my bag, I kid
Speaker 1: you not wait a hundred pounds. And it was like
Speaker 1: buying far the heaviest I've ever had a backpack away
Speaker 1: in my entire life. Uh. And we got to the
Speaker 1: campsite and I started pulling things out of it, and
Speaker 1: I like pulled this big bottle of champagne out, uh,
Speaker 1: this big bottle of spaghetti sauce, this bottle of hot sauce,
Speaker 1: this salt and pepper shaker, this bottle of olive oil.
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, wonder, my bag way so much.
Speaker 1: I have all of this, like these glass bottles because
Speaker 1: I wanted to like rather than use like dehydrated backpacking
Speaker 1: meals for this trip. I wanted to because meals every
Speaker 1: every time we ate, and the food was good. I I,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to pet myself on the
Speaker 1: back too much. But I did a pretty good job.
Speaker 1: But it was so difficult because like the trails a
Speaker 1: lot up and down through the like the coastline, and
Speaker 1: it was, um, it was just really challenging, I guess
Speaker 1: in that regard, But yeah, I don't know. I forget.
Speaker 1: I forget where I was going with that one too.
Speaker 1: I just keep going off on these tangents and I
Speaker 1: forget what I'm talking about. Now. Your bag was so heavy.
Speaker 1: Was the heaviest you ever had, heaviest I've ever had.
Speaker 1: And then I told Kaylin to I was like, Kyllen,
Speaker 1: I could drop this bag ahead and a mile come back.
Speaker 1: I could literally throw you over my shoulder like a
Speaker 1: fireman and carry you along this trail if you like.
Speaker 1: There was a moment where I was like, per like
Speaker 1: seriously considering doing that because she was too scared to move.
Speaker 1: I was getting so impatient, and I was doing our
Speaker 1: best to stay patient, but I was getting so impatient.
Speaker 1: I was like, you have done this a million times.
Speaker 1: Just imagine like there's not a big steep clip cliff
Speaker 1: over here and you can walk on past it. And
Speaker 1: she she understanding. He took her time, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go drop my bag. Yeah, just pretend the
Speaker 1: edge of death isn't right there. I was gonna put
Speaker 1: her on like like I was gonna give her a
Speaker 1: piggyback ride and wear her as a backpack because she
Speaker 1: weighed as much as my backpack did and I knew
Speaker 1: that I could do it. But anyways, point is, it
Speaker 1: was the heaviest backpack I've ever won in my entire life. Um.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, everything worked out
Speaker 1: exactly as it should have, which is pretty fortunate because
Speaker 1: you know, obviously a lot can go wrong in those
Speaker 1: types of situations. So do you remember what you said
Speaker 1: at all? Yeah? You know, I went back and forth
Speaker 1: on whether I should have delivered like a nice romantic
Speaker 1: speech as I proposed, because you did. Yeah. I just wanted,
Speaker 1: you know, listen, I'm I'm a film junkie, so I
Speaker 1: really wanted to make a moment out of it. So
Speaker 1: I made sure that, you know, I pulled it to
Speaker 1: the middle of the beach and the like gave this
Speaker 1: speel of how I felt, but most of it I
Speaker 1: didn't rehearse. It was more, honestly, just from the heart.
Speaker 1: Can you give us a quick recap on what you
Speaker 1: said to actually, because I will remember it. I just
Speaker 1: want to remember, honestly, don't remember. I don't know. It
Speaker 1: was just more of like I said, it was just
Speaker 1: stuff from the heart about how much he meant to me,
Speaker 1: and and uh, you know how far we've come, and um,
Speaker 1: you know our hopes for the future. And that was
Speaker 1: really it. Uh. And then I remember afterwards only from
Speaker 1: watching it back. I don't remember saying it in in
Speaker 1: real time, but apparently when I put the ring on,
Speaker 1: it fit her and I said, just like Cinderella's slipper,
Speaker 1: which is so stupid. I'll never forget. Watching that back,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't believe I just said that. That's
Speaker 1: pretty funny, smooth. I don't saying it, do you? So?
Speaker 1: Do you? You did you give a spiel at all? Um? No,
Speaker 1: I did it. I wasn't nervous at all. But the
Speaker 1: reason I was able to not be nervous at all
Speaker 1: was because I had already pre planned and to give
Speaker 1: a speech, hm, like if I know, if I know,
Speaker 1: she's gonna say, yes, I know what I'm supposed to do.
Speaker 1: I know what I'm gonna do. Then there's nothing to
Speaker 1: be nervous about. But if I were to give a
Speaker 1: speech and say things that I would have like probably
Speaker 1: end up regretting like Cinderella Slipper, then I knew that
Speaker 1: I then I would have been nervous. And so I
Speaker 1: was like, well, why don't I just not Why don't
Speaker 1: I just cut the nerves out of it and I
Speaker 1: just don't say anything and I'll just let this sick
Speaker 1: second plan b Ring do the talking. Um. So, so no,
Speaker 1: I didn't have a speech. Okay, Then you said, but
Speaker 1: did you ask her? Did you say will you marry me?
Speaker 1: I said, will you let me be your husband? I
Speaker 1: did say will you marry me? But I wanted to
Speaker 1: say will you let me be? I wanted to say
Speaker 1: will you let me be your husband? But I was like,
Speaker 1: she's old school. She wants me to say will you
Speaker 1: marry me? And you've done so many non traditional things.
Speaker 1: Just give her this one thing, will you marry me?
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that, very cool, so cute, and
Speaker 1: like I said, she hesitated. She took her time to respond.
Speaker 1: I was sitting there on one knee looking up at
Speaker 1: her she was doing she like she was jumping around
Speaker 1: a little bit, and I was like, are these happy jumps?
Speaker 1: Are they sad jumps? What's going on? You trying to
Speaker 1: jump away? Tell me what's going on? Yeah, what's going
Speaker 1: on here? And then I guess what she was doing
Speaker 1: when she was taking off her ring so that way
Speaker 1: she could I could put the ring on her finger. Um.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, and then we went over then to
Speaker 1: the I can found that feather, which is great, and
Speaker 1: then we went back to the campsite, popped the bottle
Speaker 1: of champagne. She was steadfast and trying to hire like
Speaker 1: a boat or a helicopter to come pick her up
Speaker 1: because it's another eleven miles to get out. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: got it. There's a couple other people on the beach,
Speaker 1: like like locals that live on the beach, and I
Speaker 1: was like, hey, guys, my girlfriend or my fiance is
Speaker 1: having some health issues. She might need like an evac
Speaker 1: via boat or helicopter. And they're like, well, we can
Speaker 1: do that, but just so you know, like a helicopter
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars a boat probably can't come. And so oh,
Speaker 1: and if you take a helicopter, you have to go
Speaker 1: to the hospital because it's like an emergency service kind
Speaker 1: of thing. And I told her all this stuff, and
Speaker 1: she was like, I'm not going to go to the hospital.
Speaker 1: That's so embarrassing. And I was like, okay, well, your
Speaker 1: only other option then is to hike out with me
Speaker 1: eleven miles, and so she was like, okay, fine, and
Speaker 1: so we hiked the eleven miles and I'll be honest,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was like the fresh fiance,
Speaker 1: like pepping her step, but the next two days she
Speaker 1: was an absolute beast. She she was hiking like I
Speaker 1: was struggling to keep up with her. She was so fast.
Speaker 1: We got to the scary section again and we can
Speaker 1: blew through it, like she she took an hour and
Speaker 1: a half to go half a mile the first time,
Speaker 1: it took her ten minutes the second time, Like she
Speaker 1: was a completely different person. That half cut diamond ring
Speaker 1: gave her special powers. Bro No, well yeah, that too, obviously.
Speaker 1: But I was like, listen, you're scared going in on
Speaker 1: this way. I guarantee you when you come back this way,
Speaker 1: you're gonna of like you're gonna have a lot less
Speaker 1: fear about everything because you've already done it, and you've
Speaker 1: already you're gonna be excited about finishing. And she literally
Speaker 1: just plowed right through it. It It was so impressive. Um.
Speaker 1: And and then we camped at the same camp site.
Speaker 1: We camped the first night again, and I made us
Speaker 1: a delicious meal of spaghetti and then we can't We
Speaker 1: hiked out the next day. And that last day really sucked,
Speaker 1: actually because it rained a lot the last day, which
Speaker 1: was in hindsight a good thing because if it had
Speaker 1: rained the day before when we were doing the dangerous part,
Speaker 1: then that would have been like pretty sketchy. But it
Speaker 1: rained pretty hard on the last day, so we hid
Speaker 1: like for five hours in the pouring rain, in the
Speaker 1: slippery mud. Um. But yeah, we made it out, and
Speaker 1: then we went to a nice, uh five star hotel
Speaker 1: and took showers and now we're here. Very cool. Man. Well, congratulations,
Speaker 1: that's very exciting. Now your fiance, I am a fiance,
Speaker 1: but I still have a wedding ring on, so yeah,
Speaker 1: you're pretty much a husband. You've been pretty much a
Speaker 1: husband for quite some time now. I feel like a
Speaker 1: fiance by title lonely, you know what, I mean like,
Speaker 1: nothing feels different. No, it's the same thing, just still dating.
Speaker 1: And let me ask you this. Do I when I
Speaker 1: go out places and like, let's say I'm sitting, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm uh, let's say Caitlin's parking the car and I'm
Speaker 1: getting us a table at dinner. Do I say my
Speaker 1: fiance and I are gonna eat? Or do I say
Speaker 1: my girlfriend and I fiance? You guys are fiances? Is
Speaker 1: that what you did? Yeah, there's only so much time
Speaker 1: that your fiance you might as well take advantage of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just it just kind of seems pompous to me.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, a little bit, but you might get
Speaker 1: like some free drinks out of it. Sometimes you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: that your fiance's You guys are engaged. Congratulations first rounds
Speaker 1: on us. When we checked into the hotel. Um. I
Speaker 1: can't remember what the guy was saying, but he was like, uh,
Speaker 1: he's like he didn't even ask if we were celebrating
Speaker 1: a special occasion. But I made sure to let him
Speaker 1: know that we just got engaged like two days before,
Speaker 1: like praying he would upgrade us to like the honeymoon
Speaker 1: suite or something like that didn't work. And he didn't
Speaker 1: give it. He didn't give a single funck bastard. He
Speaker 1: gave us a free He did give us a free
Speaker 1: bottle of house champagne, which was very nice. Hey, there
Speaker 1: we go. He probably does that to everybody. Um, but
Speaker 1: that doesn't matter. You keep using that fiance. I guarantee
Speaker 1: one of these days will pay off. Yeah. Um, wait
Speaker 1: till you guys are married and you say your new
Speaker 1: luwits you're gonna get everything free, And then what do
Speaker 1: you do after that? Then you just say we allays
Speaker 1: had a kid and then you get everything for free.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, but then you start like not sleeping and
Speaker 1: then in constant state of anxiety and stress. So you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's cool that we got things for free, but now
Speaker 1: it's not cool. Now it's not cool. Yeah, but you've
Speaker 1: got a cute little baby to show for us. I
Speaker 1: know he's the best, and uh he's dressing up for
Speaker 1: Halloween right now, so he Um, it's pretty cool. He's awesome.
Speaker 1: But Dean, congratulations, man, So exciting for you and Klin.
Speaker 1: You and Klin definitely has to come on this podcast
Speaker 1: talk about her side of the story, because I have
Speaker 1: a feeling it's going to be wildly different. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it'll probably be a lot more realistic. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I know, but I'm I'm excited to hear that tale. Yeah, she'll, she'll,
Speaker 1: she'll do it. Um, I didn't want to have her
Speaker 1: to come on this episode. I wanted it. Uh, maybe
Speaker 1: we'll have her in on like the next couple of
Speaker 1: weeks or something like that. But but yeah, she well,
Speaker 1: so she's supposed to propose to me now too. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. That was the deal that we
Speaker 1: would propose to each other. Is that still planned? I
Speaker 1: think so. She she said, my ring isn't ready yet,
Speaker 1: but she was so certain that she was going to
Speaker 1: propose to me before I proposed to her. Obviously that
Speaker 1: didn't happen because I've already proposed to her. But she's
Speaker 1: said before the end of the year, so she's only
Speaker 1: got two months, two months and a week left. Um,
Speaker 1: but we'll see how that goes. I guess that's yeah,
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. Yes, you guys have another proposal coming.
Speaker 1: I wonder where she's gonna do it. I don't necessarily
Speaker 1: need one at this point. She's it was just basically
Speaker 1: steal my thunder from me for proposing to her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be a selfish move. That would be a
Speaker 1: selfish move. I didn't realize how much power is bestowed
Speaker 1: upon you by being the one to propose. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like you like like now, Kalin
Speaker 1: can't get angry at me, or actually couldn't get angry
Speaker 1: at you because you're like, well, I just asked you
Speaker 1: to marry me and you said yes, So like what
Speaker 1: is there to be upset about? Like not like and
Speaker 1: I'm talking like just like an everyday things like oh
Speaker 1: I didn't clean my dishes, Well, too bad, because I've
Speaker 1: already asked you to marry me and you're marrying me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you signed up for this, You signed on for this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so who knows. But we go to Galapagos tomorrow, oh
Speaker 1: today actually, and maybe she'll do it there. You guys
Speaker 1: don't stop. Well, we'll be on the lookout for another
Speaker 1: agement for Dean and Kaylin. Also a quick shout out
Speaker 1: to grocery store Joe and Serena, who officially got married
Speaker 1: the same day, which was crazy the same day you
Speaker 1: guys announced at least um so crazy. It just shows
Speaker 1: that paradise rules them. All, um, so quick, congratulations to
Speaker 1: two wonderful people, Joe and Serena. Wish you nothing, but
Speaker 1: what about what about the confirmed news today? It's just
Speaker 1: so frustrating and so maddening, and like people it's people
Speaker 1: wonder like what's going on with Tom? What's going on
Speaker 1: with Tom? It's like, really, you have to ask why Tom.
Speaker 1: Maybe he isn't playing to the highest level he's used to,
Speaker 1: Like the dude didn't play. He played okay last night,
Speaker 1: but it's like he knew he was signing the papers
Speaker 1: this morning. How could you even think about football last night?
Speaker 1: So it sucks. I'm I have a lot of strong
Speaker 1: feelings about this. Uh that will dive into on a
Speaker 1: separate episode because we're leaving off on a happy note here,
Speaker 1: not an angry note. Um, but uh, you know, as always,
Speaker 1: I'm team Tom. I just don't understand if one one
Speaker 1: last parting piece of wisdom here, if the two most
Speaker 1: beautiful people in the world, the two most successful people
Speaker 1: in the world, can't make it work, how is there
Speaker 1: supposed to be any help for the rest of us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: love is dead. Love is dead. There's no hope for
Speaker 1: any of us. But you know, hey, whatever congratulations on
Speaker 1: getting engaged. You know that's cool. Whatever, Thanks anytime. We'll
Speaker 1: make sure you guys tune in next week with this
Speaker 1: episode is coming out Sunday. Sunday everyone, Happy football Day. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then Tuesday we also have our episode with Olivia
Speaker 1: Creedy which is coming out. And then Thursday, of course
Speaker 1: we have our Caller episode as well, so tune in
Speaker 1: for those and make sure you tune in next week.
Speaker 1: We're hopefully we all suck a little less. Dean sucks
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