WEBVTT - Save the Pine Tree Research Station 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:04.240 You're listening to the Sportsman's Nation podcast network, brought to 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:07.600 you by Interstate Batteries. Whether you need a battery for 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:10.640 your truck, or a battery for your trail camera, or 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:14.280 a specialized battery for your range finder, or a crazy 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:17.880 toy that you bought for your kids, Interstate Batteries has 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:22.080 got you covered. Stop into a local Interstate Battery retail store, 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:25.479 talk with a specialist, get the battery that you need, 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:31.400 and go on about your day. Interstate Batteries outrageously dependable. 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:38.440 My name is Clay Nukeleman. I'm the host of the 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:42.800 Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also be your host into 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:47.440 the world of hunting the icon of the North American Wilderness. There, 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:52.520 we'll talk about tactics, gear, conservation. We will also bring 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:55.560 you into some of the wildest country off the planet 0:00:55.920 --> 0:01:04.640 chasing battery. Hey, this is the baritege Colby moorehead. Today, 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:08.039 Clay is joined by James Brandenburg for a bonus episode 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:10.559 of the of the podcast. They're gonna be talking about 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:15.800 a land issue that's pertinent to Arkansas and the setting 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:19.600 of public lands. Uh just real quick, stay informed, have 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:25.759 a good one. I am here with James Brandonburg, the 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:29.040 chair of the Arkansas chapter of the back Country Hunters 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:33.160 and Anglish Association, and you brought me, uh pop tarts, 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:39.160 big league to peanuts and coke at my I texted 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.640 James when he was coming over and I said, I 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:44.720 tried to make this like really obscure list of things 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:48.440 for him to bring to the global headquarters. And it 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:51.200 was a joke and he brought it. So we're we're 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:56.040 like having a feast right now. So James, I wanted 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:57.880 to get you on here to talk to us about 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:03.280 what's going on with the Pine Tree Experimental Station over 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:08.240 in eastern Arkansas. So it's a essentially you're we're gonna 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:11.040 get into all the details, but essentially what's happening is 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:13.560 that there's been a piece of public ground over there. 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:16.120 It's been a piece of public ground for a long 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:19.400 time and it's owned by the University of Arkansas. It's 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:21.960 been managed about the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission, and 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:26.079 right now they're trying to sell off about six acres. 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:29.760 That's just I don't I don't know why, Maybe you do. 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:33.640 They're selling it off and basically it's just public land 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:38.040 that's gonna be turned into private duck lease, duck lease 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:44.160 or something, and so, um, so how long has this 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:48.679 piece of ground been public land. It was acquired by 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:52.520 the federal government sometime, let's say in the probably in 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:56.160 the nineteen forties or fifties, so for like eighty years 0:02:56.160 --> 0:03:00.800 that's been public long time, yep, yep. And so the 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:04.680 way that this came back to the federal government is 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:08.880 that there's an act passed during the depression that's called 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:12.840 the Bankhead Jones Farm Tenant Act. And one of the 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:19.280 provisions of that act was, you know, authorized the Secretary 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:25.359 of Agriculture to acquire submarginal farmland and take it out 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:29.080 of production. Um. And this would be places that were 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:32.400 that either weren't good farmland to start off with, maybe 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:36.400 they'd been degraded or damaged. Maybe they were along watersheds 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:38.520 and needed to be needed to be taken out of 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:43.720 production so that, um, you weren't worrying about quality of 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:46.800 the water things like that. It says in the law, 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:52.160 you know, it talks about conservation and habitat and for 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:55.320 the benefit of the public, that they would take this 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:59.960 land out of production. Okay, So sub marginal farm land 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:03.320 end is usually a great hunting land yeah, exactly, especially 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:07.400 if I bet that's a good place to hunt. Yeah. Well, 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:09.640 and it's been out of production for a long time, 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:14.240 so that's the other thing that's been rehabilitated. Right. So 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:18.919 it also provided for the Secretary of Agriculture to dispose 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:24.479 of those lands, provided that that land remained in public use. 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.880 And if you think about this, Clay, would you want 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:33.799 the federal government or anybody to come in and say, um, 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:38.880 buy up property, buy up distressed property from at that 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:41.000 time in the in the depression era. I mean, let's 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:44.560 let's face it, it's probably farmers that were not doing well. 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:47.840 Buy that up from them and then turn around and 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:50.560 sell that either for a profit or sell it to 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:55.000 land barrens, or you know, however you want to describe it. 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.400 Back then. You know, people who were wealthy back then. 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:00.240 One of the key things that was going on during 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:02.400 the Depression. I've done a lot of reading on this. 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:06.880 They were trying to figure out how to get share 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:12.599 croppers and tenants off of those situations where they were 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:14.839 just living hand the mouth every year, get them started 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:16.599 with a piece of land where they could build a 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:22.320 life for themselves. So by taking this land out of production, 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.320 they were they were trying to help with that situation. 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:32.640 That that Act overall existed to help those help those 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:35.040 poor people, and a lot of them in the South 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:40.480 two get started with something better in life. There's tons 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:43.800 and tons of history on on that and it's fascinating 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:49.240 to get into. But for our discussion, this property in 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:54.719 nineteen sixty UM and I haven't found if it's the 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:58.320 Forest Service at that point or if it was the 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:04.520 Soil Service at that time, but eventually the property UM, 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:09.680 through the Department of Agriculture and the Forest Service, the 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:14.400 University of Arkansas was deeded access to this property for 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:20.719 agricultural agricultural research. And this happened across the country, not 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:23.320 just here in Arkansas. There's many many places like this. 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:27.200 In fact, part of our National Grasslands System came out 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:30.719 of the same type of property. So in nineteen sixty 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:35.480 the University UM got access to it for agricultural research. 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:40.000 UM there's a deed from the Forest Service to the 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.600 University of Arkansas, and in that deed there's a clause 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:46.840 that states if the property ever ceases to be used 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:50.320 for the public or comes out of public use, that 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:53.760 property is to revert back to the Forest service. It's 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:58.240 about a four line clause in the deed. It's super 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:00.640 easy to understand. You and I can read it and 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:06.920 understand what it means. And so um. Fast forward to today. 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:11.760 You know, the university publicly states that they have a 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:18.120 need to fund some other obligations in the division of Agriculture. Um, 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:20.640 They've made commitments, they've got some grants that they need 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:23.400 to come up with matching funds for things like that. 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:27.200 And the way that they're proposing to do this is 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:30.720 by selling this property of it that they want to sell. 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:34.559 There's a force in its clause that says it goes 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:36.880 if they don't own it. It goes back to the 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:41.160 force pretty straightforward right now. The way that they would 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:43.560 get around that, of course, is the way that anybody 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:46.040 gets around something that they don't like in a in 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:51.080 a contract. They go they go to Congress and try 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:56.080 to get that work through US Congress. So take an 0:07:56.120 --> 0:08:00.320 Act of Congress. The university acknowledges this, you will take 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:04.400 an Act of Congress to close that land deal. M Now, 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.520 the public of the university also states that they have 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:15.360 um that they have marketed the property extensively, that they 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:19.360 had extensive conversations with other agencies here in Arkansas Natural 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:24.720 Heritage Commission, Nature Conservancy, and Arkansas Game and Fish Commission, 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:27.760 and ultimately the Game and Fish Commission, they say turn 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:29.680 them down because they didn't have the money to buy it. 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:35.200 The Game and Fish has been kind of silent on that. Um, 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:38.560 you know, I haven't pressed him on that yet really 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:43.200 to to know how extensively that went on. Bottom line is, 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:45.840 right now, there's a there's a contract in place for 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.240 the university to sell this property to a private entity. 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:53.079 It's going to take away the best hunting property in St. 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:56.959 Francis County that's publicly accessible in a place where there's 0:08:57.040 --> 0:09:01.240 not a lot of publicly accessible hunting property, and it's 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:06.000 gonna lock it behind the gate. And you know, you 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:11.080 you have listeners across the country, and I think that 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:13.960 people could ask themselves, like I live in West Virginia. 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:16.000 You know, why do I care about what's going on 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:20.680 in Arkansas. This is a situation Number one, it's going 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:25.880 to take u S Congressional approval number two. These types 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:31.360 of properties, these acres is a is a lot. But 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.200 in the grand scheme of all of our hundreds of 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:38.200 millions of public land to drop in the bucket. But 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:42.000 for the people right there in St. Francis County, that's 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:43.600 where they hunt. And I can't tell you how many 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:47.200 people I've heard from that, you know, kids, that's where 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:49.360 they learned how to hunt. Women have learned how to 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:51.280 hunt there. Of course, men have learned how to hunt there. 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:53.160 You know, they were kids when they learned, and now 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:58.960 they're grown ups taking their kids out there. If Congress, 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:03.480 and all that takes is some slick lobbying to say, hey, 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:06.319 look what we're gonna do with this seventeen million dollars. 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:09.160 We're gonna send fifteen million of it over here, and 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:11.600 we're gonna we're gonna spend a million of it over there. 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:20.280 And and Clay, that's not, according to what I'm hearing, 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:24.680 that's cheap for that land over there. Um should be 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:31.120 going for four thousand dollars an acre at least. Um. 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:35.960 But if that disappears, and if they set that precedent 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:39.640 for this place to disappear, what happens when they come 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:45.680 for four d acres over there that maybe maybe only 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:49.080 a couple hundred people use, or or whatever the case 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.720 might be. We've already got an access problem. We've already 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:56.240 got an Our three problem are we can't sell enough licenses, 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:00.440 two to take care of the habitat at work that 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:04.080 we need to do. And we're gonna make it harder 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:09.840 for average people, and especially in eastern Arkansas, where it 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:16.079 is quickly, in my mind, becoming harder and harder for 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:18.800 people of average means to have a place to hunt. 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:22.120 Because people want to go over there and duck hunt. 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:27.640 They're willing to. They will buy, you know, in private transactions, 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:29.080 which is fine. I mean, if you want to sell 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:30.839 and I want to buy, there's nothing wrong with that. 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:35.679 But but access disappears all of eastern Arkansas. Well that's 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:38.960 an exaggeration. A ton of eastern Arkansas is a high 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:42.200 dollar lease land, that's for sure, you know, on the 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:46.120 Mississippi Delta over there, and there's also some some big 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:50.440 public tracks over there too, but it's yeah, it's big 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:54.920 money lease country for sure. Yeah yeah. And so so 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.440 back country Hunters and Anglers has gotten involved in this 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:01.520 um here in Arkansas is our This is our first 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:04.640 big thing to be a part of. You know, we 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:07.880 were a chapter in June. At the end of July, wham, 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:12.720 you know, we're we got confronted with this. Thankfully, we 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:17.640 have some some friends in certain places in state government 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:23.400 who are against the sale, and publicly, even the US 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:28.160 Representative Rick Crawford has stated that he's against the sale 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:34.079 as well, and so he's the rep over there. Yes, yep, 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:38.080 that's in his district. And so we have some some 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:42.280 friends in this in the legislature. But you know, to us, 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:46.600 things happened by majority, and so having one or two 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:49.440 friends doesn't mean that everybody's going to go that way. 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.439 So what we're doing right now, number one, we're raising 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:56.200 awareness about it. Of course our social media. We have 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:59.360 a petition out there at back country Hunters dot org. 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.680 Have enough people signed that petition. We've got about as 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:09.480 of today, around fifty signatures, and and that's a that's 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:11.720 a really good response on something that's kind of a 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:15.720 localized issue like that. And um, you know the reason 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.400 that we're doing that, like, Okay, what does a what 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:21.480 does it signing a petition do? Well, if we need 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:26.320 to mobilize to contact legislators at some point in the future, 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:28.640 we need to know who to contact who cares about this. 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:32.080 It also gives us a voice when we go to 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:37.000 speak to let's say, say people or two thousand people 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:41.240 that have signed a petition. Yep, we So you told 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:44.480 me earlier that this the sale was supposed to be 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:47.600 finalized in like October. But it looks like they're going 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:51.400 to push it off. They may well they might, they 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.800 might push it off. Um you know, nothing's set in 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:59.320 stone yet. And and there's not a lot of public 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:02.199 information coming from the university, which if you wanted something 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:06.199 to go away, you're not. You're not gonna your pr 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:08.360 machine is gonna say here's all the great things we're 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:10.760 gonna do, and we're not gonna We're not gonna address 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.280 these other people over here. We're not gonna we're gonna 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:18.600 ignore that. Um Man. I grew up in northwest Arkansas. 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.840 I love the Razorbacks, I love the University. This is 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:24.840 a situation where there's a better way. We need to 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:28.000 find a better solution to sell in this land so 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:29.320 they can do what they want to do with that 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:33.080 money and help the people of Arkansas. That's fine, but 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:37.880 don't penalize St. Francis County and then the people who 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:41.600 travel into to do that. So what what can what 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:45.440 can people do? How can we get involved? So the 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:47.280 first thing that we'd ask people to do is sign 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:50.360 our petition because that gives us a voice. The second 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:53.080 thing is share it with your friends, share it on 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:56.280 your social media. We've got some articles up there on 0:14:56.360 --> 0:15:00.240 our Arkansas specific page at back Country Hunters out of 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:06.920 Work talking about the issue. And and then just the 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:10.880 main thing is if you want to contact your your 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:14.600 legislators right now, it's okay, but there's nothing for him 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:17.760 to do about it, so so be ready to do 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.040 that if we need you to do that in the future, 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:23.840 like if it goes to vote in Congress, the congressional level, 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:28.840 that's where uh, people in other states could get involved, 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:35.320 tell their their legislator, hey, vote against this happening, and 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:40.680 they know what it was. Okay, Well, I think, I 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:44.080 mean the premise of all this is right on is that, 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:47.600 I mean, we've got the public land that that we've 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:50.960 got right now, and these to state public land. I mean, 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.720 this is interesting, Like I never thought we'd have really 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:56.360 anything quite like this come up in Arkansas. I didn't. 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:59.200 Usually it's the Western states that have kind of these 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:04.160 uh you know, places where there trying to sell off 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:06.400 public land into private hands. And so this is just 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:09.480 a unique example of how it can happen, you know. 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:14.040 And um, yeah, if if that place was ten miles 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:18.800 from here and coon hunted over there, you know, true 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:21.360 or three nights a week in the wintertime, and I mean, 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:25.400 it would be something that I would be very interested in. 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:27.200 And we know that there, and that's that's just the 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:30.320 way the stuff works. Is that for for the voice 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:36.280 of hunters and anglers to have power, other people have 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.560 to get involved with stuff that doesn't affect them. Like 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:43.040 that's that's the way this works, is that we can 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:47.160 we know that somebody's hunting over there, some somebody has 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:50.680 raised their family hunting over there, and so it might 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:55.400 as well be us that you know. And so that 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:57.520 that's the way this stuff works. And I think that's 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:59.800 the that's the culture that we're building inside the Hunting 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:02.800 can comunity is one of Hey, we're kind of looking 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:04.639 out for each other. And that's why I like about 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:06.919 this is I've never been over there, just four or 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:09.280 five hours from here. It's over in eastern Arkansas. We're 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:13.240 in northwestern Arkansas. Um, but I think that's the way 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:15.719 that we've got to view it, and so you know, 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:19.600 we yeah, so just keep us keep us up to date. Yeah, 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:22.440 and where can they find you on social media? And 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.639 and updates on this and stuff at Arkansas b h 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:29.280 A on Instagram. That's probably the easiest place to find us. 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:33.720 We'll have regular updates there. Um. Of course we're on Facebook. 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:35.800 We have a have a private group on Facebook. You 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:39.120 has to join their um back Country Hunters dot org 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:47.080 are Arkansas chapter page. We'll have information on it as well. Cool. Well, Um, 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:50.320 is there anything else we haven't cover? I mean, I 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:54.040 know we could, we we could go deep into it, 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:57.280 but I think we've we've really done a good job 0:17:57.320 --> 0:17:59.800 of hitting the high points and letting people know what's 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:03.640 going on. And we're just appreciative, you know, more than anything. 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:06.639 I know the people over there. I have been in 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:10.200 contact with with several of the people over there who 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:14.840 are really concerned about it, and and there they at 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.800 the risk of inviting the rest of the world to 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:22.280 come down and hunt their place, they are asking for 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:25.960 our help to save it. And um, and I think 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:28.080 that's a worthy thing. And so I appreciate the time. 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:35.520 Back Country Hunters Anglers mobilizes people better than any group 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:39.840 I've ever been a part of. That's that's what we do. Yeah, 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.040 that's what yeah, I mean, And that's and the and 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:45.280 the and the allies that we have. That's what I've 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:49.800 told them. I'm like, we will get the message out, 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:55.480 we will mobilize people to contact I mean. Part of 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:57.280 the way that this problem is going to get resolved 0:18:57.440 --> 0:19:00.399 is finding an alternate way for the Universe City to 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:02.760 sell it. Because if they need to sell it, if 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:05.160 they need that money, well we let's help them find 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:08.080 it in a way that makes sense. Well and sell 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:09.840 you're saying, sell it to a group that would keep 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:11.800 it in public. Yeah. Yeah, if they can sell it 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:14.879 to Game and Fish Commission, if they for service and 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:17.800 whatever it is. You know, let's find a way to 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:21.080 keep this land. You don't have seen million you donate 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:24.320 to this. Oh man, I just built a big old 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:29.320 bear cabin out in the woods and not yet I'm 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:33.960 still working on my first billion. Well, thanks to James, 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:38.160 you've been um. Yeah, maybe we'll get We'll keep everybody 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:39.760 updated on this and they can check it out on 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:42.520 social media. That sounds good. I appreciate it. Yeah, thank you, 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:43.080 thank you.