Speaker 1: And you mentioned point guards.
Speaker 2: Another piece I thought was super interesting was your last
Speaker 2: piece on Jose Alvarado and I was reading it and
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of different guards in the mix that
Speaker 2: you interviewed and that we're referenced, And I guess the
Speaker 2: first question that I have is, do you think that
Speaker 2: his success, because I think it came out of nowhere,
Speaker 2: and you know he was acc defensive player.
Speaker 1: But still undrafted.
Speaker 2: Do you think that this success that he's had, success
Speaker 2: that guards like bred van Fleet.
Speaker 1: Have had, does that pave the way? Is this like
Speaker 1: a trend?
Speaker 2: Do you think that's happening we're undersized players can come
Speaker 2: in and be really valuable role players.
Speaker 3: I hope so, because I love those kinds of players.
Speaker 3: But I think the trend is not to me about
Speaker 3: undersized players exactly, because I think it's getting harder and
Speaker 3: harder for smaller guards to stay in the league. But
Speaker 3: I think if you are one of those guys that
Speaker 3: plays taller, if you're one of those guys that can
Speaker 3: switch a little bit and compete against bigger players it
Speaker 3: can hold their own, then yeah, it's just like the
Speaker 3: bar is getting higher. And I think probably one of
Speaker 3: the reasons why he went and drafteds. People just looked
Speaker 3: at him as a small guard, and now that he's
Speaker 3: in the NBA, it's like, well, he plays if he
Speaker 3: has no idea that he's a small guard. He plays
Speaker 3: as if he thinks he's six'. Nine and that's exactly
Speaker 3: How Van vliet. Plays that's how you. KNOW i, like
Speaker 3: that's How Alex gruccio is one of the guys that
Speaker 3: was quoted in the story THAT i think that's Who
Speaker 3: alvarado had told, him like you paved the way for,
Speaker 3: Me LIKE i saw what you did to go from
Speaker 3: a two way to like being a rotation player in
Speaker 3: the league and all of. THAT i Think fred Van
Speaker 3: vliet didn't tell me exactly What alvarado told him when they,
Speaker 3: spoke but it sounds like a kind of similar. Deal
Speaker 3: LIKE i Think alvarado saw in those guys a kind
Speaker 3: of path for. Himself AND i think there's a. Reason
Speaker 3: it's like those guys defend like crazy and they have
Speaker 3: offensive skills as, well And fred Van vleet's An All
Speaker 3: star at this. Point BUT i think the idea is
Speaker 3: if you can be an elite defender at the guard,
Speaker 3: spot then you can survive if your teammates have to
Speaker 3: cover for you all the, time and if you can't
Speaker 3: guard multiple positions and all of, that then like you
Speaker 3: basically have to be a superstar now on the offensive
Speaker 3: end to. Survive BUT i do think at least in
Speaker 3: terms of like defense, first like really really intense competitive,
Speaker 3: smart like the guys that are in the right places
Speaker 3: and manage to affect a game on both, Ends like
Speaker 3: if those guys are coming out of, college if those
Speaker 3: guys are coming out of, wherever and teams can get
Speaker 3: a scout on, them they at least have guys that
Speaker 3: compare them, to, Right like if they say we think
Speaker 3: he can be sort of like A VanVleet or like
Speaker 3: In alvarado or, WHOEVER i think that. Helps it's just
Speaker 3: LIKE i think you have to sort of be careful
Speaker 3: when LIKE i DON'T i don't want to start to
Speaker 3: say like every Guy alvarado size can do, that because
Speaker 3: if they, could Then alvorado wouldn't stand out that much
Speaker 3: and and we'd be seeing more guys that size kind
Speaker 3: of make. It AND i think we're actually seeing as the,
Speaker 3: Opposite like the bar is getting higher and higher and
Speaker 3: higher if you're a small, guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah which makes him even more of a.
Speaker 2: UNICORN i think that's what makes and his Teammate Herb
Speaker 2: jones so fascinating, too is all the things that he
Speaker 2: can do, defensively and.
Speaker 1: His Scottie, Barnes alvarado And.
Speaker 2: Herb jones all guys that lead the way with defense
Speaker 2: really and that our good passers and and can kind
Speaker 2: of be unicorns in their own way and haven't been
Speaker 2: seen as these like offensive you, know fire.
Speaker 1: Firepowers you.
Speaker 3: Know, YEAH i THINK i love when When Herb jones
Speaker 3: And alvarado are on the court, Together LIKE i JUST
Speaker 3: i think of those especially when like when The pelicans
Speaker 3: Have Larry nance at the five, spot like they're closing
Speaker 3: the games most of the time With nance of the. Five,
Speaker 3: now last few, Games jose's played the whole fourth quarter
Speaker 3: and started with That houston game where he basically dominated.
Speaker 3: It but The pelicans are like they have a ton of,
Speaker 3: Firepower like their team is built to be an elite,
Speaker 3: offense even though the shooting isn't that, greatly they just
Speaker 3: destroy teams on the. Inside AND i think what you're
Speaker 3: looking at from now until the end of the season
Speaker 3: is like can they find that balance of like all
Speaker 3: that firepower being that efficient offensive team while also getting
Speaker 3: enough stops to beat the best teams in THE. Nba
Speaker 3: AND i Think Willie green's playing around with the lineups
Speaker 3: to try to get to that. Point AND i really
Speaker 3: like the look that they've been going with lately in
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter Where alvarado has been in the court
Speaker 3: And nance has been on the. Court it gets trickier
Speaker 3: to like Slot Herb jones into that lineup when it's
Speaker 3: like crunch time because you Have ingram AND cj And
Speaker 3: zion on The but like throughout the, game you can
Speaker 3: see The pelicans get to some really good defensive lineups
Speaker 3: even if they're not like a top flight defensive.
Speaker 2: Team is it more difficult For Willie, green in your
Speaker 2: opinion to make decisions now That zion and When zion
Speaker 2: is healthy.
Speaker 3: In a, WAY i think he enhances what they. Do
Speaker 3: he lets them do a lot. More BUT i think
Speaker 3: they're still doing a lot of experimenting the Point zion
Speaker 3: stuff that we saw from you, know the last time
Speaker 3: he was, healthy When Van gundy was was the, COACH
Speaker 3: i was like so, exciting but it was obviously going
Speaker 3: to look different when he came, back because like it's
Speaker 3: a completely different team now it's a new. COACH. Cj
Speaker 3: McCollum was not on the team. Before the bench is
Speaker 3: like totally different. Now BUT i mean just finding the
Speaker 3: space within a, game even finding a space within just
Speaker 3: a possession to be, like all, right we're Empowering zion
Speaker 3: to be the decision maker, here the playmaker. Here like it.
Speaker 3: Gets it's a little trickier BECAUSE cj needs his possessions doing,
Speaker 3: that Brandon ingram needs his possessions doing. That you have
Speaker 3: other guys Like Jose, Alvarado, DeVante, Graham Dyson daniels all
Speaker 3: think of themselves as point. Guards they are not always
Speaker 3: the guy bringing the ball up at court when they're
Speaker 3: on the. Floor but just by virtue of the fact
Speaker 3: that all these guys are on the team and getting,
Speaker 3: minutes it means there's going to be fewer. Possessions Zion
Speaker 3: williamson is like bringing the ball up and doing, that
Speaker 3: and we know he's so bit at. That and it's
Speaker 3: only in recent games That zion has gotten to do
Speaker 3: that stuff a little bit. More AND i still don't
Speaker 3: think they have found the just natural easy rhythm of
Speaker 3: like we are just flowing from one action to another
Speaker 3: where Like zion AND cj are playing in harmony and
Speaker 3: making each other better and all of this. STUFF i
Speaker 3: think they're still working through all of, that AND i
Speaker 3: think where their offensive numbers are despite that is like
Speaker 3: pretty impressive because they're it's they're kind of still in preseason,
Speaker 3: mode like they're still in experimentation. Mode They zion missed
Speaker 3: some time or miss some. TIME cj was shooting like
Speaker 3: terribly to start the year for some. Reason BUT i
Speaker 3: think the ceiling's really. High it's just they have that
Speaker 3: stuff to, balance and they just have a lot of
Speaker 3: good players so that the rotation is not obvious and.
Speaker 3: Simple it's a good problem to, have but it's also
Speaker 3: like a legit. Problem and like those decisions once you
Speaker 3: start talking later in the, season once they've had the
Speaker 3: time and once they kind of know what's, What like
Speaker 3: when you're in a playoff series and you're figuring out
Speaker 3: who you're gonna, start you're gonna close games, with who's
Speaker 3: gonna play with, Whom like that stuff can like swing
Speaker 3: an entire game and like swing an entire. Series so
Speaker 3: they they do have like a sort of serious thing
Speaker 3: to do, here which is like basically figuring out like
Speaker 3: how the chemistry is going to.
Speaker 2: Work there's like a lot of one sided players on this,
Speaker 2: team a lot of good. Players you put them together
Speaker 2: in a different way and they really compliment each other.
Speaker 2: Well but you, KNOW i Guess Brendan ingram's probably the
Speaker 2: best guy who's in terms of like balanced offensively and,
Speaker 2: defense and that makes things, TRICKY i think in terms
Speaker 2: of just what that lineup looks. Like another really great
Speaker 2: defender that you featured With. SHAY i Love shay so.
Speaker 2: MUCH i think he's one of the most underrated players
Speaker 2: in the. League this, year he's FINALLY i feel like
Speaker 2: getting he's broken through to. Mainstream you, KNOW i feel
Speaker 2: like he Was he was every like, hoopheads you, know
Speaker 2: one of their favorite watches last year until he got shut,
Speaker 2: down you know, whatever injury or tanking or. Both and
Speaker 2: now it's, like, yeah he's, there you, know forty point,
Speaker 2: games game. Winners what was the process of you deciding
Speaker 2: he wanted to feature? Him and like when did that
Speaker 2: pop into your?
Speaker 3: Mind so that one wasn't as like intensive as some
Speaker 3: of the others we talked. About that was basically like
Speaker 3: the thunder in, town AND i KNEW i wanted to
Speaker 3: write about his. Defense he is maybe the most improved
Speaker 3: player in THE nba right, now even without the defensive,
Speaker 3: Improvement like he's been so, crazy like the reason why
Speaker 3: it seems like he is getting all his attention he
Speaker 3: didn't used, to even though he was so great last.
Speaker 3: Year like he's third in the league in, Scoring like
Speaker 3: he's Like John morant isn't averaging as many points in
Speaker 3: the paint As shay is this. Year And jaw was,
Speaker 3: LIKE i think drives per, game you, KNOW i, mean
Speaker 3: but he, Has LIKE i think this is the third
Speaker 3: straight year he's led the league in drives per, Game
Speaker 3: but he is so much better in terms of like
Speaker 3: the finishing. Numbers he's actually weirdly like he's shooting far fewer,
Speaker 3: threes but it doesn't matter because his mid rated numbers
Speaker 3: are completely. Insane his usage is like near the top
Speaker 3: of the. League just what he's doing night tonight is so,
Speaker 3: difficult but yet he makes it look so easy on
Speaker 3: the offensive, end where where it looks like it's hard
Speaker 3: is the other end WHERE i think he, Clearly like
Speaker 3: if you go and watch the tape from his rookie
Speaker 3: year or The clippers versus what he was doing most
Speaker 3: nights with The thunder the last few, Years like it
Speaker 3: was different and it was, understandable but he always had
Speaker 3: this defensive potentially just wasn't quite doing, It AND i,
Speaker 3: MEAN i just wanted to kind of ask him some
Speaker 3: questions about, that ask you, know Ask Mark digno about,
Speaker 3: that ask teammates about, that BECAUSE i, thought, like it's
Speaker 3: just so impressive that he's doing both at the same.
Speaker 3: Time you don't you don't usually see the big jump
Speaker 3: on both, ends and he is just he has been on,
Speaker 3: it like he's been locked in pretty much every. Game
Speaker 3: The thunder have not been amazing defensively every, game but
Speaker 3: they have overall had a really good, defense especially in
Speaker 3: the half.
Speaker 1: Court wet al for Down poku.
Speaker 3: Is like so fun to watch right. Now and it's
Speaker 3: not even it's not even because he's doing all this like,
Speaker 3: crazy like oh my, god like how did this guy do.
Speaker 3: That it's just like he's just being, solid WHICH i
Speaker 3: don't think is like what people were always anticipating out Of,
Speaker 3: poku is it he'd be like a good complimentary role
Speaker 3: player because he just looked like such a weird prospect
Speaker 3: with such a high ceiling and like he still has that.
Speaker 3: Ceiling BUT i think it's cool that he has like
Speaker 3: settled into being like a kind of normal player right.
Speaker 3: Now that's actually somebody ELSE i want to write.
Speaker 2: About BUT i literally in my head was, like that'd
Speaker 2: be a Perfect James.
Speaker 3: Herbert i'm, true we're. Trying we're trying, here, Yeah but
Speaker 3: but whether or NOT i get to write, That, like
Speaker 3: it has been fun watching him do, that and like
Speaker 3: What shay is doing just like being disruptive off the,
Speaker 3: ball giving more effort on the. Ball it's kind of
Speaker 3: like a little bit of. Everything and then the numbers
Speaker 3: are not like he's like second in the league in
Speaker 3: stocks if that were a real. Category it's up there in,
Speaker 3: deflections it's second in. Steals like it's the work he's
Speaker 3: putting in on that end in addition to just the
Speaker 3: like ridiculous load that he's carrying offensively is really. Impressive
Speaker 3: and like you just you don't see a lot of
Speaker 3: guys doing.
Speaker 2: That and they brought Over Chip england From San, antonio
Speaker 2: the shot doctor who's just known for improving players three
Speaker 2: point shots by like three percent period pretty much everywhere
Speaker 2: he goes everything he, Does, right what do you Think
Speaker 2: shay is if he has like a consistent three.
Speaker 3: POINT i, mean it's it's funny because it's LIKE i
Speaker 3: want to, say, like, oh he's, unguardable but LIKE i
Speaker 3: sort of think he's unguardable now now like, Now so
Speaker 3: it's like does IT i guess it makes guys close
Speaker 3: out a little hard on. Him it makes guys like
Speaker 3: basically never go under. SCREENS i guess that would. Help
Speaker 3: but it's like he's he's just such a unique like
Speaker 3: he's just so such a different, Player like what he
Speaker 3: does is distinct from what like somebody Like jaw even.
Speaker 3: Does what he does is is probably a little more
Speaker 3: similar to What Chris paul, does who he surely learned
Speaker 3: from when they when they were teammates for a. Year
Speaker 3: but it's just it is even different from that because
Speaker 3: it's all about like, angles it's this herky jerky thing
Speaker 3: to keep defenses off. Guard it's not about like getting
Speaker 3: a step and then like just full on accelerating blowing by.
Speaker 3: Guys like he's not he's not not, fast but he's
Speaker 3: usually not going super. Fast he's making quick. Moves BUT
Speaker 3: i don't even think he needs like a lights out
Speaker 3: pull up jumper or anything like he is a good
Speaker 3: spot up shooter now and it's just you're seeing him
Speaker 3: take fewer of those spot up shots because he's usually
Speaker 3: the one creating the offense this. Year BUT i mean
Speaker 3: that that could change depending on who's on the. Team
Speaker 3: BUT i, think, YEAH i think you've seen him basically
Speaker 3: make a conscious choice this, Year LIKE i don't need
Speaker 3: to look for that pull up three BECAUSE i can
Speaker 3: get wherever the HELL i. WANT i can get a
Speaker 3: bucket whenever might he needs.
Speaker 2: It, yeah, well lost like derozen esque in some ways
Speaker 2: in terms of angles in mid. Range but a lot
Speaker 2: of people do Compare shay And jaw to one. Another
Speaker 2: why do you think that?
Speaker 3: IS i think because they they're both such good, finishers
Speaker 3: they're both really, young they're both. Exciting BUT i do
Speaker 3: think they're like key differences in terms of their, Style
Speaker 3: LIKE I shake would never be the kind of athlete
Speaker 3: that That jaw could. Be and, well they're both like
Speaker 3: crack and smart and cerebral players for. Sure she's just
Speaker 3: like there's just kind of nobody like, HIM i think, honestly,
Speaker 3: like Besides James, HARDEN i can't think of another like
Speaker 3: downhill driver as good As shaye and, like LIKE i don't,
Speaker 3: know like, decades the numbers sort of speak for, themselves
Speaker 3: like you can't there's not really a defense equipped to
Speaker 3: deal with him right. NOW i thought it spoke volumes
Speaker 3: when The celtics were just throwing double teams at him
Speaker 3: the other, day because they never do. That BUT i
Speaker 3: think combination of the fact, that like they that was
Speaker 3: their best strategy because nobody was shutting him down one on,
Speaker 3: one and the fact that they're basically like all, right
Speaker 3: like he is their number, one two and three. Option
Speaker 3: it's not like somebody, else like we're scared of, them
Speaker 3: so we're just gonna get the ball out of his.
Speaker 3: Hands like that led them down that. Path BUT i
Speaker 3: think that was like the ultimate sign of respect that
Speaker 3: like The Boston, celtics who Have Marcus smart And Jalen
Speaker 3: brown And Jason tatum and all of these guys are just, like,
Speaker 3: actually we're gonna do. Is we're gonna put two those
Speaker 3: guys on.
Speaker 2: You you talk about just sort of how hard it
Speaker 2: is for small players to be in this, league because you,
Speaker 2: know the league's getting it's getting like more. VERSATILE i
Speaker 2: Interviewed Nick nurse During Summer League we spent about an
Speaker 2: hour together and he mentioned to me kind of in
Speaker 2: detail what he wants from a. Player and six seven
Speaker 2: to six' nine with a positive wingspan that can do
Speaker 2: all the things that a point guard can do and
Speaker 2: all the things that a big can do is SOMETHING
Speaker 2: that i think you know in. Your article it's you
Speaker 2: know HOW the nba is. Resizing again leads me now
Speaker 2: to Think About POWELLO and i watched him At the
Speaker 2: GARDEN and i saw him and They Had franz wagner
Speaker 2: running the point and everyone on the.
Speaker 1: Floor was like. Six' nine they don't win a, lot
Speaker 1: of games but do you think that size? Could?
Speaker 2: Actually contend that is that a winning lineup NOW?
Speaker 3: In, the Nba well, not ORLANDO'S version but i think
Speaker 3: that idea is like can. WIN games Now i think
Speaker 3: toronto overachieved.
Speaker 2: For that.
Speaker 3: REASON last year i Was, like that GARDEN that's where
Speaker 3: i did, All THOSE interviews like i was at that
Speaker 3: game and LIKE that's where I, spoke to pallo AND
Speaker 3: that's where I spoke To Wendell and Tarren Tross and cold,
Speaker 3: Anthony all that like that was, Not unusual though like
Speaker 3: they that's every game this year and part of that Is. Based,
Speaker 3: ON anthony yeah. I, didn't, anticipate yes Yes so like
Speaker 3: markel hasn't, Played This, YEAR gary harris i think is
Speaker 3: about to make. His season, Debut You know jalen suggs
Speaker 3: missed a game or Two Earlier on cole anthony's been
Speaker 3: out for. A little while like this has been their
Speaker 3: best option because they haven't had a lot. Of OTHER
Speaker 3: options but i think, in the PAST like even i
Speaker 3: don't think that, That LONG ago like i think four or,
Speaker 3: five years ago if a team was dealing with this,
Speaker 3: kind of thing you would see them call up a
Speaker 3: like traditional point GUARD From the g. League, or something yeah,
Speaker 3: they just know we don't need. To do that why
Speaker 3: like why people just Give, it to wagner Give, It
Speaker 3: to paolo like we need to get those guys. Play,
Speaker 3: Making reps anyway like they're gonna maybe lose some games,
Speaker 3: because of it but this is what they're trying to
Speaker 3: develop in, their guys regardless and, it's to me it's
Speaker 3: very similar To what the. Raptors were doing it's just
Speaker 3: some of the lineups are even bigger because they happen
Speaker 3: to have A Seventy two bowl bowl. On their team
Speaker 3: who plays like a wing and like basically like believes.
Speaker 3: He's a wing like if you watch the stuff, that
Speaker 3: he does like it it. Makes perfect sense and then
Speaker 3: also there, Are other bigs, like on offense they're all
Speaker 3: stationed along the three point line and, they're you know
Speaker 3: it's not that they are, knocked down guys but if
Speaker 3: their feet are set and if, they're in rhythm like
Speaker 3: there's no why would Mostly not Allow Mobamba and wendell carter?
Speaker 3: To shoot three is? You should? Like that is that
Speaker 3: is where the. League IS going and, i think defensively
Speaker 3: the upside of having that much length and that much
Speaker 3: size is. Like pretty obvious these guys, are very young
Speaker 3: so the or not an elite. Defense RIGHT now but
Speaker 3: i think even when it, wasn't so extreme like, like
Speaker 3: last year just seeing the the front line Before, they
Speaker 3: got paolo like When they had Wagner And wen Del
Speaker 3: carter and mobamba in, the front court like that was
Speaker 3: a really good defensive unit and that was an interesting
Speaker 3: like front. Court, to watch offensively it's just you you
Speaker 3: introduce A talent like paolo who's just insane and like
Speaker 3: might be the best passer on the team as well
Speaker 3: as being a guy that is like. A walking mismatch
Speaker 3: he can go, in the post, he can isolate like
Speaker 3: do all. Of this stuff like that's just that is
Speaker 3: really everybody is looking FOR. IN the nbia i don't
Speaker 3: think people think of him as like this like, crazy unicorn,
Speaker 3: Freak like generational like what even is this the way
Speaker 3: that people Talk about like wemby or even the way
Speaker 3: people like when They first saw chet a few years
Speaker 3: ago would. Have said, it but, like to me like
Speaker 3: the skill package that he has as an offensive player
Speaker 3: at that size is kind, Of mind blowing like he
Speaker 3: is an enormous guy when you stand next to him
Speaker 3: and he plays exactly.
Speaker 2: Like, A guard yeah i don't see people realize that
Speaker 2: because he's so proportional and you hear the size like
Speaker 2: you hear six, ten two fifty but seeing six ten
Speaker 2: to fifty, is, Just different RIGHT like WHEN i, he's i,
Speaker 2: mean HE'S bigger and i always do it, like all
Speaker 2: right well he's two.
Speaker 1: Inches, bigger than.
Speaker 2: Lebron, you know yeah he's like just a Little Shorter,
Speaker 2: than mitchell robinson like maybe even. The same height like
Speaker 2: it's just sort of nuts or, What, Was it hartenstein
Speaker 2: he was just like a little bit shorter than when
Speaker 2: you actually got in front of him.
Speaker 1: Face to face can you sort, of Explain.
Speaker 2: That because i've never had that with any player, in
Speaker 2: the league because they're all sort of out of Proportion.
Speaker 1: Except for lebron but it's it's just. Somehow.
Speaker 3: IT'S different yeah i think THE way that i put
Speaker 3: it is there certain rookies that just do not look like. Rookies,
Speaker 3: What soever honestly scotty is kind of like. That LAST
Speaker 3: year like i remember watching him just like not, even
Speaker 3: in person like JUST watching On Tv and summer league, and,
Speaker 3: being like oh he's like bullying, guys like cool and
Speaker 3: then you see him do the same THING to like nba,
Speaker 3: veterans and, like all right this guy is like kind
Speaker 3: of built in a different way than most of these
Speaker 3: guys because like a lot of, times it's normal it
Speaker 3: makes sense these. Rookies come in it takes him like
Speaker 3: two three four years for them to get strong enough
Speaker 3: to like just survive the rigors of a season and
Speaker 3: take contact on the inside and. All of That and
Speaker 3: like powell is just he is not, That at all
Speaker 3: like he was just a physically. Dominant IN college and
Speaker 3: i think a lot of the time when a guy
Speaker 3: is physically, dominant in college, the question, is all right
Speaker 3: is he skilled enough to do this at the next
Speaker 3: level when he doesn't have that, Advantage every night and it, TURNS, out,
Speaker 3: well a yes because he's, skilled as Hell, and b
Speaker 3: like the vast majority of the time he still has
Speaker 3: that advantage because if you're gonna but a guy that
Speaker 3: is quick enough to guard him and stay with him
Speaker 3: a lot, of the time he's going to, be, just
Speaker 3: stronger bigger. And more powerful and if you're going to
Speaker 3: try to put a bigger dude on him a lot,
Speaker 3: Of the time powlo can just like go. RIGHT by
Speaker 3: him i think you're seeing like a trend of tall
Speaker 3: kids being more skilled and the young players being bigger
Speaker 3: and more. Skilled every, YEAR so like i Don't know
Speaker 3: what paolo's like advantage over the average kind of four,
Speaker 3: man or whatever if we're even talking in those positions
Speaker 3: like five six, YEARS from now i don't know what that.
Speaker 3: Will look like but, AS of, now i mean there
Speaker 3: are guys who can like, credibly guard him but there's
Speaker 3: not it's not. A, long, list yeah.
Speaker 2: No, it's not offensively, he's super gifted, like you said just,
Speaker 2: an incredible, passer his vision. WILLINGNESS to pass i think,
Speaker 2: it's really interesting