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Speaker 2: Like crud like to fly. The o gs are in

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Speaker 2: the building, and ud. We got what for him today?

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Speaker 3: Yes, sir, Yes, sir, we got you what. I got

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Speaker 3: A special funk, that special ship. The motherfucking the man,

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Speaker 3: the man of the people, man before what it meant

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Speaker 4: He was preaching the.

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Speaker 3: Gospel before I knew what it was. He was preaching

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Speaker 5: This ship right here is perfect for me because it's

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Speaker 5: I was fortunate to play the batman in Memphis and here,

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Speaker 2: Huge, huge, hear my friend.

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Speaker 3: Great episode of today, Guys, you're welcome, motherfucker, you're welcome.

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Speaker 3: Because it wasn't all about the Big three.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so talked about a Little twelve. We might as

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Speaker 5: well jump right into it. Hell yeah, how did Little

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Speaker 5: we talked about.

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Speaker 1: So, first of all, big three, unbelievable teammates, all time,

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Speaker 1: It was it was Casino Night. Now, Casino Knight is

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Speaker 4: It don't get more private? And sitting at home with

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Speaker 3: Have a private event? Don't get more private? Is sitting

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Speaker 5: But like the best thing about that, in my seventeen years,

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Speaker 1: We never had any issues ever, you know, and when

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Speaker 4: We were. We had to keep each other courage for sure.

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Speaker 4: We need you this series. Like the true.

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, look at our roster man we had.

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Speaker 5: it was just we had everybody and you said it

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Speaker 3: each other. Shane, how you're doing. You're hanging in there,

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I was looking at the old you know,

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Speaker 5: I have to talk about this, like we all talked

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're down two to one Indiana second round? Yes, yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: this is coming off Dallas. Yes, you know we already

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Speaker 5: If we don't win that year, we don't win that year. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I'm playing, and I'm playing in Shanghai.

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Speaker 2: All of us are going to put right.

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Speaker 1: And so game one CB goes down, okay, and and

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Speaker 1: And so the next game I looked it up. They started,

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Speaker 1: and it took us like three games to figure out. Okay,

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Speaker 5: If you don't figure this out, yeah, talk about throwing

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Speaker 5: thrown in the fire, right wow.

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Speaker 1: And so like when you face in sports and like

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Speaker 1: What you're made of as a team, and you don't

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Speaker 1: at that moment, you don't just like make that up,

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Speaker 1: that ship is forged. Like yes, throughout all those tough conversations,

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Speaker 1: So when you got a call on it, you can

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Speaker 1: bron had big games, turn it around, win that tough

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Speaker 1: series four to two. Yes, But then we face the

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Speaker 1: same thing the next round in Boston.

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Speaker 2: It was a air cat too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, still to me going to Boston, still the girl.

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Speaker 5: This individual basketball game I've ever witnessed my own two

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Speaker 5: eyes with game six Lebron James. Game six in Boston

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Speaker 5: was the most amazing basketball game, believable I've ever witnessed

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Speaker 3: They fucked with the bus. That's where they pissed him off. Yes,

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Speaker 3: that's when they pissed him off. Told the story.

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Speaker 4: They pissed him off with the bus.

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Speaker 2: What happened.

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Speaker 3: We literally showed up to the game with like forty

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Speaker 3: It took a fucking hour. I don't know what route

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Speaker 4: I don't know what the fuck he took.

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Speaker 3: But we fucking got to the game fucking literally forty

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Speaker 1: This is true.

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Speaker 3: And we walk in that motherfucker and we look at

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Speaker 5: No, I was gonna say that I've never been more

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Speaker 3: That motherfucker made that look and said, don't worry about it.

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Speaker 3: I think everybody in the locker room like.

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Speaker 2: Let's go.

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Speaker 4: I looked at her, don't worry. He's the man said

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Speaker 5: I looked at him, like right before we're going out,

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Speaker 5: He's like, killer, we'll be fine. I'm like, oh my god,

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Speaker 5: because I'm telling you I would to be. Is that

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Speaker 5: He goes, I'm shooting every bollt my gun. I'm taking

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Speaker 3: At these guys when you when you're fucking locked in

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Speaker 3: and you're so fucking glad he had a mode and

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Speaker 3: something as small as the bus being Lake and you're

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Speaker 3: showing up Lake can literally fucking knock everything off balance

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Speaker 3: for you. Like all of us were a little fucked

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Speaker 3: up by that, and Bron said, don't worry about it,

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Speaker 3: and I think everybody just realigned and got right back

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Speaker 1: We're down, We're down three to two. We lose this game.

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Speaker 1: It's over for all of us. It's game six. We're

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Speaker 1: we're down three to two.

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Speaker 5: It's a small thing. No, that's that's a big thing.

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Speaker 5: But it's those moments change of course of all of

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Speaker 5: our losses, history on history, our lives, Miami heat, Like

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Speaker 5: it's just a different And it's funny because it wasn't

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Speaker 5: like the when he said it to us.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't like the fine.

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Speaker 5: It was like, we're gonna go and everyone's like, holy shit,

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Speaker 5: because he never did that.

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Speaker 3: They're fucking around have been the expendable twelve and five.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and almost killed Jason Terror Yeah. Almost. It's the

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Speaker 1: best game I've ever watched in my entire it was.

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Speaker 5: And that's why I like when we had the gold

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Speaker 5: cannot I cannot take that out and what he's done

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Speaker 5: for my life, and what the heat did for my life,

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Speaker 5: and with those all those guys because d Wade, let

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Speaker 5: me tell you something, that motherfucker showed up big ways

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Speaker 2: All the fuck you.

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Speaker 1: Told me about d Wade, You're gonna be like just wait, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what he said. Well he did, you know, like

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Speaker 1: And you know, look, I don't think I've ever seen

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Speaker 5: Because of his personality. And that's when we had these conversations.

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Speaker 5: I was telling him, like, you're gonna be You're gonna

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Speaker 1: And like people always ask me, like who's the alpha,

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Speaker 5: By a long ways by the way, yeah, time, he

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: You know what's fun though, When when d Wade and

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Speaker 1: bron took the night off. Oh man, let's go baby,

482
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Speaker 1: let's whoa how badly do we want to win those games?

483
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Speaker 1: Let's just stick it to those guys.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: First of all, CB was different CBS, you know, walked around.

486
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Speaker 2: Oh, you can book.

487
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Speaker 3: Thirty for CB when those guys out, you can book thirty.

488
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Speaker 3: But like the rest of us, for like we was ready.

489
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Speaker 4: To it went.

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Speaker 5: It went from having six shots to tell anybody I

491
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Speaker 5: might get fourteen.

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Speaker 4: First, Well, we used to be upstairs.

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Speaker 3: That's why we played two on two full court and

494
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Speaker 3: three on three court and all that crazy out for

495
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Speaker 3: oh man, for those moments right there, going to.

496
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Speaker 1: Atlanta and I came in Atlanta, remember CB hit that hit,

497
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Speaker 1: that three, And I mean those are the best wins.

498
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Speaker 5: Our team was never so excited to have guys, best

499
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Speaker 5: players went out Lebron, Jy Wade.

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Speaker 2: And then fast forward to a playoff game. You're playing right,

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Speaker 2: You're playing need anything?

502
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Speaker 4: Are you good? You're good?

503
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Speaker 2: You're playing that right man.

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Speaker 1: Those are the best moments. So those are those those

505
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Speaker 1: are the stories you miss, man when you play. It's like,

506
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Speaker 1: you know, championships were great and you know those were fun,

507
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Speaker 1: but like those small moments where you know you just

508
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Speaker 1: remember and you laugh about them, and that's what you

509
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Speaker 1: missed when.

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Speaker 3: You really For me, and it's probably the same thing

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Speaker 3: for you. You guys, like you just wanted to make sure

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Speaker 3: you still had it, like, yeah, can I still bring it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I understand I'm a rope, but these motherfuckers out I

515
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 3: gotta be a little more assertive tonight, you know what

516
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Speaker 3: I'm saying. And I can I still do it, you

517
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Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. It was always good to feel like, damn,

518
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Speaker 3: I still got it, you know what I'm saying. So

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00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 3: to be able to win those games when those guys

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Speaker 3: were out, it did something for our confidence, you know,

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Speaker 3: individually and collectively as a group, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: the mental part of that ship.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: Not the Eastern Conference too.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: We talked about it when we had Rio on here.

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Speaker 4: Because Atlanta was good to then Atlanta.

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Speaker 2: Then Atlanta was good.

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Speaker 5: We played Indiana, it seemed like every year they were good.

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Speaker 5: Chicago was the number one team in the East. Then

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Speaker 5: Boston was obviously ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Like it was.

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Speaker 4: East was tough.

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Speaker 5: What it's like the West is now in my opinion,

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Speaker 5: it's almost like it flips every Yeah, but it's that

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Speaker 5: East was unbelievablecause we we had we sparred with Indiana

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Speaker 5: every year.

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Speaker 2: Indiana, Boston.

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Speaker 1: It was tough basketball, yes, physical, I mean like you

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Speaker 1: watch the games now and.

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Speaker 5: It's like, I gotta give myself. I gotta give a

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Speaker 5: Batman store this poor Batman. I watched Batman wrestle with

543
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Speaker 5: those alligators in Indiana.

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Speaker 2: He was so beat up by that series.

545
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Speaker 3: For every game was Shane strengthened, lad Ship strengthened Shane

546
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Speaker 3: every game.

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Speaker 1: Every game, every game goes down and we're trying to

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Speaker 1: find the right mix. And so you know, Spoke comes

549
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Speaker 1: to me and says, hey, you want to play power

550
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Speaker 1: forward Russell David West. I'm like, let's go, let's go,

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Speaker 1: and that dude beat the hell out of me.

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Speaker 5: Typical shame fashion to bang it with him.

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Speaker 4: Say this, the first year, I think you got him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the second year he tried to beat first the

555
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Speaker 3: first year, you got his ass the first year, But

556
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Speaker 3: I think the second year he had seen it before.

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Speaker 4: He knew what they expect trix.

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Speaker 3: First year, the first year it worked that SHANEO got

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Speaker 3: him the space and all that ship. But the second

560
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Speaker 3: year he had seen it before. Man, it literally, you know,

561
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Speaker 3: he took it to the streets. He just took it

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Speaker 3: to the physicality. But the first year, I'm gonna get

563
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Speaker 3: credit with credit, Sho, I gotta give your flowers.

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Speaker 1: The first year, I appreciate that it was. It was

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Speaker 1: about what what do we need? What do we need?

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Speaker 2: You know?

567
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: And we all stopped up and see you went down

568
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Speaker 1: and right of the ship and you know again the rings,

569
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Speaker 1: the rings, knowing no one cares. That's what happened. Nobody

570
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Speaker 1: exact who did what? Nobody not at all.

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Speaker 4: I never gave a fuck, you know. At the end

572
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Speaker 4: of the day, at the end of the game, we got

573
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Speaker 4: the w That's what it was about.

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Speaker 2: The game.

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Speaker 1: You hit eighty nine game six against Indiana, right, and

576
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: they could account for the big three.

577
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Speaker 3: They couldn't acount for the rest of us exactly. And

578
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 3: that's what we took pride in. That's what we enjoyed

579
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Speaker 3: each other's success. I love when you made your fucking

580
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 3: shots with your fucking shoe off, love when you went

581
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 3: got hot and made those six threes. That we were

582
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 3: we were each other's biggest fucking fans. Like God damn,

583
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Speaker 3: they probably cheer you motherfucker's heart than y'all. Whys about

584
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 3: the fucking who I swear to God because of the

585
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 3: ship that we the bond that we built, that being

586
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Speaker 3: fucking we score that big, that little twelve ship with pride, bro.

587
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Speaker 4: So one of your brothers.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, the Big Three was part of our brotherhood, but

589
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 3: we had a little small, separate group of brotherhood. We

590
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Speaker 3: took pride on being the guys that were able to

591
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Speaker 3: get us over to the hump win. The Big Three needed

592
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Speaker 3: those moments from us. We took pride in that shit, and.

593
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Speaker 5: We knew as a group though, and so today though

594
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 5: like it was gonna take it had to be one

595
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 5: outlier for us. One of us had to have that

596
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 5: one of those games, right, like you just knew it

597
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 5: because we talk We've talked about on every one of

598
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Speaker 5: our podcasts, and you can really attest this like teams

599
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 5: like that and these really good teams like the Lucas

600
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 5: and the Kyriees right now, those guys are each gonna

601
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Speaker 5: win you a game in the series.

602
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 2: The other little twelve as we'll call.

603
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Speaker 5: Them, are thirteen are gonna have to win you games

604
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 5: and they're gonna they're gonna win you that game three,

605
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 5: or that game, that game two, whatever it is. But

606
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 5: those stars are gonna win you those games. And that's

607
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 5: to me, that's what we are.

608
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: So good at.

609
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Speaker 5: Like it, like we just talked about it, it was him,

610
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Speaker 5: It was you right should have been Shoddy, could have

611
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Speaker 5: been anybody, James Jones.

612
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 2: It don't matter someone's getting thrown in there. Yep.

613
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Speaker 3: Let's talk about the game seven. The game seven when

614
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Speaker 3: you hit the threes, the six threes, because up into that,

615
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 3: if I'm not mistaken, it was horrible.

616
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Speaker 4: You struggled a little bit, a little a little bit.

617
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Speaker 2: Of our retiring. I mean, you struggle.

618
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Speaker 3: But just talk about that, bro, because we always talk

619
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Speaker 3: about breathing life into each other and you know, those

620
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Speaker 3: defining moments, But just talk about what you were going

621
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Speaker 3: through personally and being able to get out of that

622
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 3: slumping and being big for.

623
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Speaker 4: Us in the right time, and how you felt with that.

624
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: Well, coming back from the CHAMPIONSHI would beat Oklahoma and

625
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: so I became a full time four. I was wrestling

626
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: with those alligators, I said, the entire year, man, and

627
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: I was two hundred fifteen pounds, you know, thanks to

628
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: you know, Riley's waiting body fat. You know, I lost

629
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: ten pounds. Now I'm a two hundred fifteen pound power forward.

630
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: That shit, as I heard of, I was two undred

631
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: fifteen pounds wrestling with David west And and Booze and

632
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Speaker 1: Joe k hey Hey the beer tabe yes, it did.

633
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 1: I had to pick a lot of it. And so

634
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: that year I shot forty three from from three that

635
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: year real best. I was hot, but I was gassed

636
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: by the end I had. I had nothing, no legs,

637
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: I couldn't make a shot. So I was on a

638
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 1: huge slide. At one point in the playoffs, I was

639
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: four for thirty from three.

640
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 2: That's bad. I was bad.

641
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 1: I couldn't I couldn't hat. So I'm tripping. I'm tripping,

642
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I do it anymore? Game seven, first

643
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: game against Indiana Eastern Conference Finals, the first game I

644
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: ever played in my entire career from YMC A BALLT NBA.

645
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: I had the words d M p CD next to

646
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: my name. Did not play coach's decision. Oh no, First

647
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 1: it hurt so like we were going back to the finals,

648
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: played Spurs and I'm crying. I'm like, am I done?

649
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: Like again, you talk about mental stability and I said, man,

650
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: is this it is this how my career ends? And

651
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: like you know, I never been through that. And so

652
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: drank a lot of beer that night and saying karaoke

653
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: and came back elak karaoke, Yeah, leak carry man, And

654
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, no man like I'm here

655
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: for my brothers, and I got to prepare like a champion.

656
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: I got to help make sure Reo is prepared. I

657
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: got to prepare a norse. I gotta prepare all this

658
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: guy like I got. I gotta do my job and

659
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: it's not contingent on me making shots. And a funny

660
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: thing happened though, Like after the Game four, I didn't

661
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: play much after practice. I was screwing around and I

662
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: realized that, like my my jumper was like fading to

663
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: the right right, it's coming off my hand. Funny, you know,

664
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: the shooter like you just you just get out of

665
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: whack and use your fundamentals every now and then, and

666
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: like one little adjustment with your feet or the way

667
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: you catch it, it makes all difference in the world. So

668
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: I said, if I started aiming to the left side

669
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: of the of the hoop, I'm just gonna play like

670
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: the fade. If I made the change, and I'm like,

671
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: this works. You know, we got three more games I've

672
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: never heard of playing.

673
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 2: Unbelievable.

674
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, game leg game five. You ever heard this game?

675
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: This is Game five the NBA Finals. And I'm like,

676
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: screw it. Like we got three more games. That's the

677
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: fade is unbelievable. It's not it's not a forever fix.

678
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: But like, I can make a shot, right, So I

679
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: get in game five and make a three game six

680
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: and make three threes of game seven. I'm like, all right,

681
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: like screw it, like a fly, let's play the fade.

682
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: That's the best story of all I didn't know that.

683
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, true, hot one.

684
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: I'm trying to hit the left side of the rim.

685
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: I'm aiming for the left side instead of you know,

686
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: shooter shoot in front of the rim. I mean for

687
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: the left side of the rim and just letting it

688
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: fade in.

689
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 2: It wasn't come off your pinky or it had to

690
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:07,719
Speaker 2: be come off.

691
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: It was come off on pinky. And I made my

692
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: first one. I'm like, I made second one right after that.

693
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: All right, you make three in a row of a shooter, like, oh, okay,

694
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: it's on. Yeah, it's on, yeah, four, five, And like

695
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: it's funny. I remember the ones that I missed more

696
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: than I remember the ones that I make because it

697
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: was it was a kill shot, like I had the

698
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:28,959
Speaker 1: ball top of the key. I'm like, oh, I make this,

699
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: and and I was thinking, like if I make this

700
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: it's over.

701
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 2: It's over.

702
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: And it was too strong, and uh, Spurs came back,

703
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: tied the game, and luckily the last one, I had

704
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: no legs left and bron caught it with the whole

705
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: fund me in the corner right front the bench, and

706
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: I hit it and that was a six to one

707
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: and that was the difference. But uh, you know, like

708
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: I tell my kids, I tell anyone who listened, like,

709
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: you just have to stay with it.

710
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, do some ship and it's got yourself.

711
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: You got to you gotta stay with what you know

712
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: and what what got you, what got you to the dance.

713
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: And so that's my product moment, just because where I

714
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: came from two weeks earlier, doubting I could ever do

715
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,239
Speaker 1: it anything again and maybe retiring to having the the

716
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: best game, best moment in my life.

717
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 4: Unbelie, I don't know.

718
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that's a golf turn, left, left and right.

719
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: Shop that's a.

720
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 3: Golf has a golf turn. Let me in on this

721
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 3: conversation just a little bit.

722
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 5: Well, Shane, not because we can sit here and talk

723
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 5: Miami heat stories all day long. Elite Defender, Elite Elite

724
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 5: Defender did a lot more than than that, you had

725
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 5: the old Shane shake from the corner, which.

726
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 2: Was she was unstoppable. I've never seen it not work,

727
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: always works, never seen anything like it. By the way,

728
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: Jimmy has a version of the Shane.

729
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: Do you notice that he does so.

730
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 5: As a defensive player, though, talk about some of the

731
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 5: hardest guys to guard, who gave the most challenges these

732
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 5: guys to hear that stuff.

733
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: Starts with code. I mean, look, you know I was

734
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: not very fast. I'm not very athletic. But you guys

735
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: know me. You guys know I always thought I was

736
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: smarting everybody else.

737
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 3: A fair in as much as I was a good defender.

738
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 3: I didn't start tapping into the analytics till Shane came.

739
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 3: You were the first guy who was okay, he's he

740
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 3: make him go left. He's it's rougher for him to

741
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 3: go left. His percentage of shooting going left. I gotta

742
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 3: give you credit for that. I was just a fucking dog.

743
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 3: Just throw me in the room and lock us in

744
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 3: and I'm coming out. But I never tapped into the

745
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 3: analytics of how what he shoots going left as opposed

746
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 3: to what he shoes going right. This is the shot

747
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 3: I want him to take so until you came, and

748
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 3: I got to credit you for that. I had never

749
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 3: looked at those things, you know, and.

750
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 5: He and he stuck to it though, Yeah, I know

751
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 5: he did gotta be looking I got it going left off, wonderable.

752
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had to thank him for that because I didn't.

753
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 4: I didn't tap into it.

754
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Before you do this, can I paint

755
00:32:58,680 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: a picture?

756
00:32:59,200 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 4: We gotta give you a fly.

757
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 5: I want to paint a picture for everyone listening at home.

758
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 5: You walk into, you walk into, especially playoffs, but every

759
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 5: regular season it was this was this was routines. Like

760
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 5: you'd walk into that locker room and he'd have the

761
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,719
Speaker 5: Scouttery report there and he'd be reading his many and

762
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 5: reading his mask and reading his man and reading his man,

763
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 5: and god, Dan, he's stuck.

764
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 2: To it too, mellow, all the guys.

765
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 5: It was like, hey and he even in the bench,

766
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 5: the guy will be cooking and it's okay, twenty seven

767
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 5: and a half.

768
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: Per second exactly. That's it. It's like playing It's like

769
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: playing black jack.

770
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: Okay, if you're a blackjack table, right and you get

771
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: pocket ass, you always split them.

772
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: Yes, if you.

773
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: Lose three hands in the road, you're like, now, you

774
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna keep these pocket ass together this time.

775
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: I'm just sitting.

776
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: No, screw that. The book says you split them, you

777
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: split them.

778
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: Yes, you know the book says, send mellow right, send

779
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: him right.

780
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 4: And you just so I played.

781
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: I played basketball, I can play blackjack the book and

782
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: in the end it works out.

783
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 2: So give us, Kobe, give us, so like.

784
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: He was the one guy that I didn't think I

785
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: could ever mentally wear down.

786
00:33:59,400 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: So he was.

787
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: He was brilliant obviously, and it's the killer. And so

788
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: the only way I could ever have a chance against

789
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 1: Kobe was like I never said I could guard Kobe,

790
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: and so like in my mind, like I knew Kobe's

791
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: weaknesses because of the numbers, and he didn't have you know,

792
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 1: they're all relatives. Even his weakness were strengths. But like

793
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: I knew like when he went left and I kept

794
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: him on, the pain was a forty two percent shot,

795
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: versus when he went right got in the pain, it

796
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: was a sixty two percent shot. Right, So I still

797
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: I knew, Yeah, I mean gamy nightmares, Like of course

798
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: I know those numbers. So like again, so I just

799
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: played by the book and I made Kobe try. I

800
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: tried to make Kobe do was his weakness, and I

801
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: had some like some I wouldn't say like great success,

802
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: but I was. I was like a human yellow light

803
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: against him. Yellow but but I but I never said

804
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: like I'm a Kobe stopper, because I knew that would

805
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: just piss him off and he would go out my neck.

806
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: And he already tried to go out my next he

807
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: thought I was.

808
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 5: It didn't take much for somebody to go out of

809
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 5: the neck anyway, got people's neck anyway.

810
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: And so you know, I never spoke to Kobe outside

811
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: the gym. Ever, we never had a relationship, you know.

812
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: And you know, you know Kob Cob it always plays

813
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: my games with me. So one day he'd be super friendly,

814
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: Hey Shane, how you doing, man? Your family the next day.

815
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: Wouldn't even look at you.

816
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: And so the next day, hey man, you know, and

817
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: so like it was this game within the game with

818
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: the game, and I was just like, remember Whinnie the Pooh.

819
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: I was just like, youre man, I can't. I can't

820
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: guard Kobe. He's so much better than me. I'm just

821
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: lucky to be on the court with him. Well after

822
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: he passed. He actually wrote about me in Mama Mentalities

823
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: but fantastic book, obviously in the pages on Kobe Stoppers

824
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: and he's like, I don't believe anybody could could stop me.

825
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: My muscle memory was better than anybody. He's talking about

826
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: the hand in the face with Kobe. But he said,

827
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: you know, Shane did something very smart where he never

828
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: said he could guard me, and now he's downplayed his

829
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: ability to play me. But I saw that his false humility,

830
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: and I attacked him because of it, and he was right.

831
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 2: He was right.

832
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: He gets yeah, so he knew, like that was the

833
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: game we played. It was the game within the games

834
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 1: in the game that only he and I knew were playing.

835
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: It was this meta game that was so you know,

836
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: so fucking crazy that like only he and I knew

837
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: at the highest level of competition, and so like he

838
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: like so like when he when he passed, like it

839
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: really really affected me because I always thought I'd had

840
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: this conversation with him one day and we will one

841
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: day and up above, but like that, for me, that

842
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: that was the purest level of competition that I faced

843
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: in all my years of basketball. And I miss him

844
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: the best, the best, Hey, Kobe. Kobe was that dude too.

845
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 5: He wanted all the actions because we were playing I

846
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 5: was playing in USA that one year in two.

847
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: Thousand and six.

848
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 5: We're in Vegas and we're on the bus and somebody

849
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 5: and someone says to him, Hey, who who who does

850
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 5: the best job defensively?

851
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: And I yelled your name, say get the fuck out

852
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: of here.

853
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 2: Oh he hated it. Oh he did. He hated he did.

854
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 2: But that man was a grind dir Yeah, Like.

855
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 5: That's what That's whatff you're saying about it, Like he

856
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 5: just felt he was gonna outlast everybody.

857
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 3: But I know what it's like, like you said to

858
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 3: have that conversation with him, because when I saw Dirk

859
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 3: at Dwayne's Hall of Fame, immediately want to have that

860
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 3: conversation because you brought the best out of me, like

861
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 3: you brought the best out of him. And you don't

862
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 3: know how much you got or if you got enough

863
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 3: until you go against guys like that, because not everybody

864
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 3: is that type of fucking animal. Not everybody is a

865
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 3: fucking Kobe, Not everybody is a dirt. Those guys bring

866
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 3: shit out of you that you don't even know if

867
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 3: you got, but you know you here and this is

868
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 3: the fucking moment, and this is what you've been preparing for.

869
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 4: And that's all you know.

870
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: And it's that feeling that nothing in your life can

871
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: replicate that feeling of going to you know, American Airlines

872
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: in Dallas.

873
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 4: Yes, these motherfuckers were embarrassed.

874
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 2: Yes, Kobe and Dirk.

875
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 3: Like it were fucking listen run that Dirk was on

876
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 3: in that playoffs, which okay, see and what he did

877
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 3: against san Antonio right here, you're just like, listen, the

878
00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 3: motherfuckers embarrassed.

879
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: Sho.

880
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 2: No, I know. So you don't want to be anxiety man.

881
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: That is so after the game, you know, you have

882
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,919
Speaker 1: a beer and you're like, man like I earned this beer, Like.

883
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 4: You're chiming in on the defensive conversations.

884
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: No, y'all, y'all, let me know what y'all have.

885
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 2: Lord blesses us in different ways.

886
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: The Lord blesses us.

887
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 2: And he had a different way too.

888
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 4: Motherfuckers had a fucking whip.

889
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: I didn't have.

890
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 4: I didn't have I have a whip like you both

891
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 4: like that.

892
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: I had a little big ladder. This guy had a plan,

893
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 1: had a flam thrower.

894
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 2: Hey, y'all, I had a little, big ladder.

895
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 5: Hey, hey, hey, y'all go ahead and have this conversation

896
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 5: a little bit. Tap you back in with y'all don defense.

897
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 4: That's why we're swinging it back your way. That's when

898
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 4: I said you had a whip.

899
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: So you know, for the real O g s who

900
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: remember the early days of the Memphis Grizzlies, so you know,

901
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: I play. I played with Michael. We go way back

902
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 1: and like I'll never forget. So they brought in Drew

903
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: Gooden to replace me at the small four position, and

904
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: which is crazy right, So I was.

905
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 2: Starting small fear for a year. Like they drafted Drew.

906
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: Goodin so he was playing a small forward. Jerry West

907
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: trying to make him a small forward. So I'm just

908
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: sitting like come on. So like I out asked Drew

909
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: good and they trade for Mike Miller and I'm like,

910
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: Jerry really doesn't like he's trying to replace me. So

911
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: I'm in New Orleans, okay night for the trade and

912
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: i just get really drunk because I'm just like, there

913
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: goes my spot. So I'm on the bus and I'm

914
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: feeling too good. We're going to play the Hornets and

915
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: walks Mike and I'm like man, I got this motherfucker,

916
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: this motherfucker, and I didn't know he'd become one of

917
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: my best friends in the league one like both of

918
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: you are to my you know, top four teammates of

919
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: all time, like any level and you know, getting to

920
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: know you, Mike in the days where we got our

921
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: head kicked in every year and I'll never forget. In

922
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: training camp, you say, turning his hey, Batman, we're stretching.

923
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: How the feel we have no chance to win the

924
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: championship this year?

925
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 3: First day of training camp total, Mike Miller quest, I'm like, damn, man,

926
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 3: I can see this ship right now.

927
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 4: That is a Mike Miller fucker.

928
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: Man, how's it feel we have no chance in the NBA?

929
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: Like this is the first day of training the head

930
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: of training camp.

931
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 5: The funny thing is, though, is is that's a great segue.

932
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 5: Is why I came to Miami? Though, Like that was

933
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 5: the whole thing. Like there's no and again they can

934
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 5: people can say what they want. Honesty is an unbelievable

935
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 5: thing to have, right Like I I was so thankful

936
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 5: for every opportunity we got and it was fun. It

937
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 5: was a blessing, changed my life. But like every year,

938
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 5: even this year, there's seven teams that legit and this

939
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 5: is a it's a this a big pool for once.

940
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 5: Usually it's whatever team Lebron's on. Whatever, Yes, it's four

941
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 5: or five teams San Antonio when they were rolling Boston,

942
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 5: when they had their ship going whatever team Lebron was on,

943
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 5: Katie and stephanim right like that was like there was

944
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 5: That's why I chose, That's why I took less money

945
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 5: to come here. It's why we, like I said, we

946
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 5: didn't bitch about what we didn't play because we sacked

947
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 5: with me too. There was a yes, you just say

948
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 5: it's it's a depressing feeling though, like you get to

949
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 5: a point in your head like, Okay, what am I

950
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 5: doing this for?

951
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, we had great time. We had a great time.

952
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 5: And Hube Brown, by the way, give me a Hube story,

953
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 5: just get give the people back home.

954
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 3: This once got a huge question is h I'm serious old?

955
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: Is Hubi He's immortal? I mean he is the immortal

956
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: hub Brown. Like I learned more from Hube and I

957
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: played the least lot of any NBA coach that I

958
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: did for Hubie. And what Hubie was amazing at is

959
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: he created a true circle of the wagon's mentality.

960
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: And we weren't very good.

961
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,959
Speaker 1: I mean when Huby came in, when I got drafted

962
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: by the Grizzlies, we had the lowest winning percentage of

963
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: any NHL team, MLB, MLB team, NFL team, NBA team.

964
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 1: We were the worst franchise in North America, the worst,

965
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: the worst franchise in North America. And Huby came in

966
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: and totally changed the culture, and he told us something

967
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: practice one day. He said, look, look, Jack, I want

968
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: to tell you what's gonna happen. We're gonna turn this

969
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: ship around, you know, because all right now everyone is

970
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: saying I knew they couldn't do it. You know they're

971
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 1: no good.

972
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 5: This is Let me paint this picture better because this

973
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 5: story is about to get epic.

974
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: I know what story you're telling now.

975
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 5: Jerry West, who's elite at his job, and all the

976
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 5: all the upper brass is up top, so you to pitch.

977
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 5: I want to paint the picture so people know what

978
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 5: we're talking about. Here you have your practice floor and

979
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 5: up top, just like here, if you can say zoom out,

980
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 5: they're up there watching practice. We'd started off really really

981
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 5: bad and then got it rolling and this to go

982
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 5: now even go into your story, because he basically calls

983
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 5: us in and tells us to spread out, so he

984
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 5: wants him to hear it.

985
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he wants, he wants to. He started out the

986
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 2: season bad, and he started again. We started rolling. We

987
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 2: started rolling and basically just the story. I'm gonna let

988
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: him tell it. Just the story.

989
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 5: Was he basically saying, all those like two weeks ago,

990
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 5: those motherfuckers are in their cubicle. We need to trade him, we.

991
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 2: Need to get rid of him, we need to fire him.

992
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: And now they're all on our dick's jacket. True story,

993
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: true story, in front of everybody west right there.

994
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 2: So you guys are spread out, so oh yeah, he

995
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 2: wanted those to hear it.

996
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 5: So he bring you know, huddle up before practice and

997
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 5: I don't want to see your story because this we

998
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 5: got more. Hebe brown stories is the greatest stories ever.

999
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 5: He brings us in and he starts going. He goes,

1000
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 5: I'll spread out, I'll spread out, and he goes, you

1001
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 5: see all these guys up here, Jack, He goes, three

1002
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 5: weeks ago, they're all in their cubicles.

1003
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 2: They need to trade him.

1004
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: He's no good.

1005
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 2: We need to fire now. They're all in here on

1006
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: our Dick's Jack. He goes, moral of the stories. All we

1007
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: got is what we got in here.

1008
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: This is your family true story it was.

1009
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 2: I'm just like, and he's seventy at the time, so

1010
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: you're like, this guy's unbelievable. Unbelievable.

1011
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 4: You say he was seventy at the time.

1012
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had to be seventy.

1013
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: He was definitely seventy. Yeah, oh yeah, seventy.

1014
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. We're playing the Lakers. He's my favorite,

1015
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: and uh this is the GP story. Yeah, so we're

1016
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: playing in the Staples and Lakers are rolling. They got GP,

1017
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: they got Karl alone, they got you know, they're they're

1018
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: rolling and we're the Grizzies. They kick her, they kick

1019
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: our ass. And uh so Earl Watson, our guard, had

1020
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: a relationship with Gary from the time of Seattle. So

1021
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: GP is just talking and talking talking to to Earl

1022
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: and you know, they're kicking our ass. And during the game,

1023
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: Huby says, don't talk to my player like that.

1024
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 5: He actually says to all the topic of hey, GP,

1025
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 5: why don't you shut the fuck up Jack.

1026
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: The game.

1027
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm kind of.

1028
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 5: Standing there and GP looks I guess shut the fuck up,

1029
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 5: dog like, I don't tell you, Gene, I'm not gonna

1030
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 5: say nothing about you.

1031
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: So GP and him go toe to toe during the game.

1032
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: I've never seen a coach and a player go toe

1033
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 1: to toe during the game. So everyone steps in technical fouls,

1034
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: all right, and GPS like, I'll see you after the

1035
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: I'll see after the game, old man, I don't know,

1036
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 1: and does it. And so we're on the bus. Okay,

1037
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: they kick our butts Friday night, Staples. You know, everyone's

1038
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: hanging out in the parking bay. We're all on the bus.

1039
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: Hubie is the last one.

1040
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 5: I'm actually walking with him by the okay, oh you are,

1041
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, that's great.

1042
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: We're on the bus and and sure enough GP is

1043
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: waiting for Hubie at the bus, Hubie GP GP confronts

1044
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: him face to face.

1045
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 5: Hube says one of the most gangsters things I've ever heard.

1046
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 5: By the way, at this time, he says.

1047
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: Wait, wait wait wait. So they're face to face and

1048
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: GP says like he's not so tough now, old man,

1049
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: are you Huby grabs his shirt like this and they're

1050
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: face to face. Yes, Hey, I'm telling Shaq, I like

1051
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: Shaq Shack.

1052
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 2: And says, I hope you brought a lunch pail.

1053
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 4: Jack.

1054
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a it's gonna be a long day.

1055
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 4: Okay, hell yeah, Yubie.

1056
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 5: After what happens, and then he walks up on the bus,

1057
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,479
Speaker 5: he addresses he addresses the team. He says, you see

1058
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 5: that ship, Jack, You don't back down from nobody Jack

1059
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 5: unless they got a gun or.

1060
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: Ubie.

1061
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's why he's fucking immortal.

1062
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 4: That's why real is rare.

1063
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: All time, all time. He's a Hall of Fame, hall

1064
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: of fame coach. I love, I'm like grandfather. Heh yeah, Hubie.

1065
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: And he really cared about your family too.

1066
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 5: He did like it was family days, like Sundays were

1067
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 5: off every day, doesn't matter what, no matter what.

1068
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 2: He yeah, Hubie, that ship the best.

1069
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:12,959
Speaker 1: You see that ship Jack.

1070
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: You don't back down from nobody, Jack.

1071
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 3: I say, Jack, they got that gun or hell yeah, Hubie,

1072
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 3: hell yeah, you can't make that up.

1073
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 2: I love that. Fucking you can't that.

1074
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: That's that's the that's.

1075
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 5: The NBA that I loved it and I love literally

1076
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 5: we're walking down that, we're walking walking down the tunnel,

1077
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 5: you know it.

1078
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: And he and he's right, GP sitting right in.

1079
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 5: Front of the bus, and that reminds me of when and

1080
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 5: he goes, oh, that's how it's gonna be Jack, And

1081
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 5: that's when he grabbed him better pack of lunch, Pal Jack.

1082
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 5: It's gonna be a long nights.

1083
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 4: That reminds me of Shack and Pat. Yeah.

1084
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 3: Pat was like, I don't know why to keep these

1085
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 3: motherfuckers uplifted you always. And Pat's sake your fucking finger

1086
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 3: out of my face. That those ship he fucking slapped,

1087
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 3: Sat finger, your fucking finger out of my fucking face

1088
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 3: out ship.

1089
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 4: But I love that ship though he dope.

1090
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 5: Be hull being played and he it is wild too

1091
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 5: because he played ten guys. Oh yeah, and his his his,

1092
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 5: his reasoning was great. He goes basically, hey, now I'm

1093
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 5: only gonna have two people mad at me.

1094
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, instead of having four, I only have people, which

1095
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: is genius.

1096
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 5: Like I mean, well, I will say Jerry and him

1097
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 5: worked well together. They built that roster. That roster was

1098
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 5: good by the time it was done, really good, really good.

1099
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 5: Man like James Posey Bonzie, Well.

1100
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you like we were, we were good. We won

1101
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 2: fifty games with.

1102
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: Him, the games a couple of times. Yeah, a couple

1103
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: of times, and we just couldn't win a playoff game.

1104
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 2: We got three straight years in the playoffs, you.

1105
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 5: Know, like we we actually talked about this on our last.

1106
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: Podcast in the West when it was rolling rolling. But

1107
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: it's wild though.

1108
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 5: It's like because we were talking about and this would

1109
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 5: be fun to talk to you about it. It was

1110
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 5: like we're we're where Denver sits right now with Minnesota.

1111
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, we actually just had this because everything is

1112
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 5: so amplified in the playoffs, is why we just talked

1113
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 5: about like the mentality of the playoffs. But everyone reacts

1114
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 5: and reacts and overreacts to the playoffs so much. Like

1115
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 5: I was just telling them where I'm interested now is

1116
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 5: with Denver sits is. Yes, they got freaking boat raced

1117
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 5: and smacked an embarrassed game two. If they do that

1118
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 5: same thing in game three, they'll be forced to make changes,

1119
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 5: like drastic changes, which is crazy. But it's just a

1120
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 5: reaction of that game, because it's what we talked about.

1121
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 5: We were really good fifty game win seasons, but if

1122
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 5: you don't win the playoffs, you have to make changes,

1123
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 5: and that's what happened to our team.

1124
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 3: And my reply to that was whether they win Game

1125
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 3: three or not. I think they need to make changes.

1126
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 3: I think they you know what I'm saying. I think

1127
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 3: they need to make additions. I ain't gonna say changes.

1128
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 3: I think they need to make additions.

1129
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 5: You know.

1130
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: One of the things, you know, Pat says, which I

1131
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: think is really good. I use a lot of my

1132
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: corporate speaking career. He says, you can't hell, you can't

1133
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: have twelve milk drinkers. You've got to have a few

1134
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: people to who drink Jack Daniels, right, you know, And

1135
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 1: what he meant by that is like, you always got

1136
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: to create tension in your There's always got to be

1137
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: a no matter how good you are, all right, you

1138
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: can't just show up.

1139
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 2: And roll out.

1140
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: We're gonna do this again because this is what we

1141
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: do and it's gonna work. You've got to create a

1142
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: tension with with personnel or systems or something that keeps

1143
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: people on edge, that makes them just stand up a

1144
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: little bit straighter, right, you know. And I thought, you know,

1145
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: when we were here, you know, bringing in Richardo Lewis,

1146
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: bringing in Raizor Ray, you know, there were in everybody

1147
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: man right there, there was always a constant tension, you know,

1148
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: and I would say, like probably, you know, the last year,

1149
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: you know we ship we shipped out, and we didn't

1150
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: we didn't replace it with anything that was like creating

1151
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: that tension again. And that was the difference. We didn't

1152
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 1: have that edge that last year. And that's why San

1153
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: Antonio beat Ours in the finals. We didn't have that edge.

1154
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 1: And so it's super important to no matter how good,

1155
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: you want, to always bring in an element just to

1156
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: just create that tension.

1157
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 3: Ye all right, I mean that's so that's why I'll

1158
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 3: say that it would be an addition. I don't say

1159
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 3: if you subtract anything, because you got some nice pieces,

1160
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 3: you got guys who start in their row, they have

1161
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 3: great role players. But maybe you add something, is what

1162
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 3: I'm thinking. Whether they lose Game three or not, I

1163
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 3: think it's clear that they need to add something.

1164
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 4: They've been very light.

1165
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 3: They haven't win eight deep and what they had last

1166
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 3: year they had Bruce Brown, but they still weren't a

1167
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 3: solid eight you know what I mean.

1168
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 5: Being on this side of it now, though, It's where

1169
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 5: I get intrigued, is like situations like this, how do

1170
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 5: they react or how they overreact to the situation, Because

1171
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 5: let me tell you something it was and we talked.

1172
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 5: We actually talked about this in the last five like

1173
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 5: it wasn't just two games ago we were crowding them champs,

1174
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 5: you know what I mean?

1175
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,240
Speaker 2: So up some flow ups and downs of the playoffs.

1176
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 2: We talked about it.

1177
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 5: I mean, you go, you play a final series or

1178
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 5: Boston or Indian, you win the game. I tell all

1179
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 5: my young kids, I'm talking to it now, like the

1180
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 5: ups and downs of playoffs and what it does to

1181
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 5: you mentally, Like you win, you win again.

1182
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: Oh man, we're winning this series. The next game you lose,

1183
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 2: like we might lose.

1184
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: It's just that's how it goes.

1185
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 2: It's and it's wild. It's crazy.

1186
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 4: For our first fucking series against ok See.

1187
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yes, I agree.

1188
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,439
Speaker 3: That's the first time in my life where we lost

1189
00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 3: the first game and we knew we were going to

1190
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 3: win this series. We literally walked in after losing Game one.

1191
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 3: We got these mothers. It was the craziest thing in

1192
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 3: the world.

1193
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: Agree, I never felt like that after I lost before.

1194
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 4: I yes, we walked in the locker after losing game one.

1195
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 2: It was like we got And.

1196
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 5: A lot of it had to do is the fact

1197
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 5: that we were so freaking bodied up from We've been

1198
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 5: through so many wars already like this this one felt

1199
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 5: and they were talented and ship it felt like, Yes,

1200
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,919
Speaker 5: it felt like a whole different battle, like you came

1201
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 5: from Boston.

1202
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: Bro like Indiana, Nasty fans.

1203
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 5: And I'm glad, I'm glad we played Okay. See at

1204
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 5: the time we played them, Yes we did. Yes, they

1205
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 5: were young.

1206
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 1: Yes, that's that's what I'm saying.

1207
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 2: I'm glad we played it.

1208
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 5: At the time we played it, didn't know how to

1209
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 5: win yet, yes, because let me tell you, it just

1210
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 5: felt like a different like Indiana Boston, Like those.

1211
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: Ones were like yeah, yeah, that.

1212
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 5: Okay, see team I wish man, I've been unbelievab see

1213
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 5: him girls.

1214
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 2: Great they were good. They were good. That was a

1215
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,919
Speaker 2: fun place to play. Great good again.

1216
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 3: Though as great as that team was, I tell people

1217
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 3: all the time that the guy who we wanted to

1218
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 3: take out the series with James Harden, like that was

1219
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 3: the guy who we wanted to take it. We understood

1220
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 3: what Kevin Durant was gonna do, We understood Russell was

1221
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 3: going to do. Spoke really is focused on taking Heart

1222
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 3: and out of the series, Like that was the game

1223
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,959
Speaker 3: plan that this motherfucker. We gotta trap him, we gotta

1224
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 3: bliss him, we gotta make it tough on it. We

1225
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 3: gotta take this guy out of the fucking series.

1226
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,959
Speaker 1: Scottie Brooks said, is a huge favor. Though you put

1227
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: Perk on me.

1228
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 2: I love Big Perk. I love him, I love him.

1229
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 2: That was a bad Perk. That was. That was tough

1230
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 2: man for your big fellow. That was. I love Perk.

1231
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 1: I think it's hilarious on TV. Perk.

1232
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 2: You're great.

1233
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: Man.

1234
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 2: Hey, all you're doing, all you're doing right now is

1235
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 2: standing on business.

1236
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta, you gotta move. You gotta move, Kevin.

1237
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: You know it's Katie to the to the four player

1238
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: back and Durant and all of a sudden it's the

1239
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 1: whole different series.

1240
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he can take it.

1241
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: We'll take it for from three that I mean, it

1242
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: was man, thank you, Scott Brooks, thank you, thank you.

1243
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 2: That is wild.

1244
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: But I agree, but it was for like people had

1245
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: the mentality right, so it was like we were a

1246
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:03,959
Speaker 1: little ahead of the curve.

1247
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 5: So like I've said this a lot, Coach when you

1248
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 5: get away from it, Coacho was amazing at the age

1249
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 5: if he was in his coaching career to make the

1250
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 5: changes that he was able to pay some space you

1251
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 5: talked about earlier in the podcast because we had injuries

1252
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 5: and we just changed. He was he was four or

1253
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 5: five years ahead of everybody else. Yes, moving Chris Boss, Hey,

1254
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 5: you just start shooting threes, Yes, like going to going

1255
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 5: to small lineups and he still does an elite level,

1256
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 5: but he was way ahead of the rest of these

1257
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 5: people with that ship.

1258
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 4: Having having Bron played some four Yeah at that point

1259
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 4: Bro hadn't been playing before anything like that.

1260
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: Moving Bro to some in fairness, Lebron and guard for us. Yeah,

1261
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: I love I'm throwing a lot of hay amakers, I

1262
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: love I love Bron, but Lebron was not.

1263
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,919
Speaker 2: He didn't guard for us. He was able to play there.

1264
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 4: I agree. He didn't guard to fucking forth.

1265
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 3: He was able to play some for These are the

1266
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 3: things that were introduced because.

1267
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: At first we have we have the scars to prove

1268
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: it for sure.

1269
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 2: I love you, I love you Bro, I do we

1270
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 2: all love Bron.

1271
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, he did not guard the floor, but he was

1272
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 3: able to play some for for us.

1273
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 4: Offensively was ahead of his game with.

1274
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 5: That skipping skipping around because you play with a lot

1275
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 5: of great players intriguing one yea yeah, give me, give me,

1276
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 5: give me something.

1277
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: Because y'all was he was unbelievable. Teammate worked his tail off,

1278
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: and yeah, was way funnier than you would ever think.

1279
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: He faked like he didn't know English.

1280
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, shack story.

1281
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: That's want to deal with the media. And so one

1282
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: day he came up and he said, you know, guys,

1283
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 1: I want to invite you to to my charity event.

1284
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: Please bring your wives, Please bring your girlfriends, please don't

1285
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: bring both.

1286
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 2: I'm like that's good. I'm like, all right, y'all, that's

1287
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 2: a good one.

1288
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: All right, pretty good, pretty good, pretty good.

1289
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1290
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: But he you know, look for a guy who, you know,

1291
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: we've all been in China and had dealings, you know,

1292
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: to have two billion people billion, you know, watching you constantly.

1293
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: You know, he never had a moment where he was

1294
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: on a road road trip or at home where he

1295
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: could just just hang out and be by himself. Like

1296
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: I've been with him in Shanghai, and like people stop

1297
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: in traffic just to see him and take pictures of him.

1298
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: So like for a person like that to have the

1299
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: grace that he does, and you know, to be a

1300
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: humble person, unbelievable. He was a tremendous teammate. And I

1301
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: wish he would have said healthier because, like from a

1302
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: basketball standpoint, when he finally got in shape by Christmas,

1303
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: no one could touch.

1304
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, I've heard all this stuff about

1305
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 5: him as a person. As a basketball player, he was

1306
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 5: ridiculously Oh, this question the question I have though, because

1307
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 5: the way the game's going, what does he doing this

1308
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:56,760
Speaker 5: like now, because it doesn't matter how good you are.

1309
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, you would have to surround him with the right

1310
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 1: And now I still think, look, he's on stopped.

1311
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 2: He unstoppable. I agree, I agree it would be it

1312
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 2: would be difficult.

1313
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: Then they would they would space him out and and Darren,

1314
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: you know, Darren's man to shoot. He he was so

1315
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: unstoppable that he was good once he gets deep, you know.

1316
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: And I played for for Jeff and Gundy, you know,

1317
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 1: who had awesome stuff form. We were very, very slow,

1318
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: and you just put yao and pick and roll every

1319
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: single time. So I'm used to, you know, getting around

1320
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: the the ice sideline pick and I'm chased, and this

1321
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 1: guy's coming full team at y'ao. But dude, he's he's

1322
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: still he's still averaged.

1323
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 5: I'm just curious because you know how it is like

1324
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 5: now you get a seven guy, like you have a

1325
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 5: big guy like that, now you walk them walk into

1326
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 5: the league, is like you.

1327
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: Have like you have to craft the team around him

1328
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 1: with the right personnel, you know, like like that team.

1329
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: I should have played four in that team. That team

1330
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: was good, by the way, with Team X with Ron

1331
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,959
Speaker 1: Ron and I should have played the four round played

1332
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: the four with Yao and that would have.

1333
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 2: Been thinking about that team for a second.

1334
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 1: That was Shane, I remember that and reloaded Bonzie.

1335
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 4: They were loaded.

1336
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 1: Gosh Kip, I mean lowry.

1337
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 4: Oh Aaron Brooks, Aaron Brooks, I remember that was Aaron Brooks.

1338
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 4: That was around that time.

1339
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: He was I mean truck was force of nature, six

1340
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: or six y five Hockeese line d on your ass hocket,

1341
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: you better go over him.

1342
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 3: I'll say one thing I will say about y'all is

1343
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 3: every time I played against him, where actually saw one

1344
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 3: of the nicest guys kind of remind me of bow Bonds,

1345
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 3: Like I'm looking for a reason and like not like you,

1346
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 3: and I could not find a reason not to like him,

1347
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 3: not to speak to him, not to not to have

1348
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 3: a conversation.

1349
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 4: It wasn't a long conversation, but it was quick. What's up, y'all.

1350
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 3: I even seen him in China when I went to China,

1351
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 3: and I had about a fifteen minute conversation with him.

1352
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 3: He's one of those guys like, no matter how much

1353
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 3: I might have tried, I just could not have.

1354
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: A problem with it.

1355
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 3: And I'm the guy that's motivated by the ships. I'm

1356
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 3: looking for the ship. I'm looking for the ship to

1357
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 3: be motivated. That's what then that and I just not

1358
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 3: could not find a reason with a guy like him,

1359
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 3: Guys like Boban I just like the fucking guys.

1360
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: Bro between him and you know, we had the Kemba

1361
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: as well on that team.

1362
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 2: Ken Bay was.

1363
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: He was an unbelievable teammate too. I love I love

1364
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: like time. We were in Utah and and uh he

1365
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: hated turbulence, and so he was set in the back

1366
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: of the planes whenever those turbulence.

1367
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 2: All you hear is going, get this bird right, get

1368
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 2: this bird right. So funny, Hey, what are you doing?

1369
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 2: Get this bird right? No? No, no, yeah.

1370
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 5: By the by the way, that all this in this

1371
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 5: little three minute segment right here, just goes to show

1372
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 5: you how the game's changed so much, so much. I mean,

1373
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 5: you're talking about the Kembe and Yaw and now your

1374
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 5: bigs are Wimby and you know.

1375
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 2: What I mean, Like it's hit yeah, Chip, I mean

1376
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 2: literally literally I was.

1377
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 5: I try to tell all these young kids that that

1378
00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 5: I'm in their lives now with basketball stuff. Is like

1379
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 5: my bit when I when I got drafted, I had

1380
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 5: Patrick Ewing, Horace Grant, like you had two seven footers

1381
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 5: for sure on your roster and the big ones like

1382
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 5: post them up like and now the game is you know,

1383
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 5: Wimby out there.

1384
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 2: You know it's seventh.

1385
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 3: Just just for his fans sake. We don't count the

1386
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 3: years that Pet had in Orlando.

1387
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 4: You pretty good?

1388
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 2: No, no, no.

1389
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 4: Go stop there. You're not even gonna count the more

1390
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 4: I played with him.

1391
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: So I say, what though, the game is swinging back.

1392
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: If you don't have a mobile seven two seven, three, dude,

1393
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: you're not gonna win. I agree, these guys check Wimby.

1394
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: You know it's going back with Paolo, be honest. I mean,

1395
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: if you don't have it's going back. It's going back.

1396
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: It's going back to that. But they're different. Seven footers. Yeah,

1397
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: they're different, Yes, but if you don't have one of

1398
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: those guys be able to win, yes, I agree, it's

1399
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: going back, and so you better have seven to two

1400
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: and can move and can do multiple things. That is

1401
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: the future of the game.

1402
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 5: So you're thinking, even for Miami, this is we're in

1403
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 5: Miami moving, moving Bam to the four and getting a

1404
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 5: mobile seven footer.

1405
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: I think it's really just really really hard to score

1406
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: with those guys. I mean, Wemby blocks everything. Wemby alone

1407
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: just sits in the lane and affects everything.

1408
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 3: Three point one blocks a game, I mean two point

1409
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 3: one steals, three point one blocks.

1410
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,479
Speaker 5: As a as a defensive guy. Then your defensive player

1411
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 5: of the year is that web Is it Rudy.

1412
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 2: It's Wemby. Aha, it's we when we had no help.

1413
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 5: Like so, so basically the reason the reason I said

1414
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 5: Rudy is because you had the number one defense in

1415
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 5: the and.

1416
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 4: Then I agree that's what he won.

1417
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's all I was saying. Do I think Wemby

1418
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 5: is a better defensive player, more versatile defensive player, Absolutely,

1419
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 5: But I.

1420
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 2: Just put it. I put some in there.

1421
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 5: I put it in there, like I think, and I

1422
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 5: love what Wemby said, go enjoy this one.

1423
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 3: Let me ask you is saying, I think I give

1424
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 3: it to, I give it to. Why can't I got

1425
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 3: Bam get one because he's been in a conversation every year.

1426
01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 4: Why can't I get back guys?

1427
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: There's a bias. There's a bias towards guys who are

1428
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: bone up defenders.

1429
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 3: I mean we've we've put Bam this and that. You've

1430
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 3: had Bam on Jaylen Brown, fucking Tatum, and then in

1431
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 3: one series he'll come back and guard fucking Porzingas they.

1432
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: Like what because the perception now with the league and

1433
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: the way the rules are, it's different than when we played.

1434
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 2: None of these guys that want it or no, I

1435
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 2: don't do what.

1436
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: He doesn't know, But people people who don't don't get

1437
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: the credit for being being able to bone up because

1438
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: he he can't be that physical anymore.

1439
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 2: Right, So if you say, well.

1440
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: He's a he's a one on one defender, well you

1441
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: really can't stop anybody anymore. You can slow people down, right,

1442
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: So you don't get credit for that. And so that's

1443
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: why people don't credit Bam, which I think he should,

1444
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: because he can literally switch and guard anybody and do

1445
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: a good job, which not a lot of guys can

1446
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: do in these rules where you can't be physical. So like,

1447
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: I give Bam like all the credit in the world

1448
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: for being able to do what he does without allowing

1449
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: to really.

1450
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 2: Use the strength in his and in his speed.

1451
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: But we can we can see when we can see chat,

1452
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: we can see all these shop lockers. Well they're affection shots.

1453
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: So that's great defense. So it's a matter of perception.

1454
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, but once again, I like the guy I got.

1455
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 4: I like the guys that can go out.

1456
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 2: They so do I so do I.

1457
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: Who are you talking to most.

1458
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 3: Of the time, wim be? And what's the time being

1459
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 3: a big feller gonna get blocks? Somebody couldn't fucking guard.

1460
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 5: Hey, you motherfuckers, wake me up and you're done talking

1461
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 5: about this boring defensive show.

1462
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, my bad, Sorry about that, killer. We'll get back

1463
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 4: to scoring.

1464
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 1: The playoffs having better, they have allowed guys to get

1465
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: up the new trailer a little bit. First of all,

1466
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: the playoffs.

1467
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 2: The playoffs.

1468
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 5: The playoffs has been the most physical basketball scene in

1469
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 5: two years.

1470
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 2: It's been great. It's been fantastic.

1471
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 3: A little bit more physical after the All Star break. Yeah,

1472
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 3: it did start breaking the referees. I guess they went in,

1473
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 3: they went in the lab, they got in some film

1474
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 3: and it's.

1475
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 2: What it's what we what we needed. Yeah, there's a

1476
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 2: lot of foul hunting, let's just be honest. But a

1477
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 2: lot of foul now that.

1478
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 5: But now that we're talking playoff basketball, one of my

1479
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 5: biggest disappointments that I've never seen in my career is

1480
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 5: the amount of people missing playoff games. And again, I

1481
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 5: old a huge brown thing. I never talk about someone

1482
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 5: hurt or injured because you can't judge what he'd be saying.

1483
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 5: He basically said, there's a big difference between being hurt

1484
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 5: and injured.

1485
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 4: If if you're hurt, if you're hurt, i'll see at seven.

1486
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:13,919
Speaker 5: If you're injured, let me know when the doctor says

1487
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 5: you're clear to play. The reality of it is And

1488
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 5: again I'm not if someone's been pain, that's it is,

1489
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 5: what it is, but to have to have pain, but

1490
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 5: I'm paying.

1491
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 2: But no, that's what I'm saying.

1492
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: It is.

1493
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 5: But I'm never gonna judge that's what he said. I'll

1494
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 5: never judge that. I just I'm I'm shocked. I'm shocked

1495
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 5: by the amount of games high level players are missing

1496
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 5: in playoff games because again I can only go from experience.

1497
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 5: Our Miami Heat team, whether it's a good thing to

1498
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 5: say out loud or not, had multiple, multiple people getting

1499
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 5: ready to take a needle fifteen on the clock.

1500
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 4: Oh shit, that series, I guess fucking like.

1501
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 5: It became a running joke. It became like there was

1502
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:57,919
Speaker 5: five guys and you don't bat a eye, and and

1503
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 5: and then and and I still remember this vividly me

1504
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 5: and you for sure the day the playoffs is over,

1505
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 5: I was getting two different surgeries very next day, but

1506
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:07,919
Speaker 5: very next day. Give me your take on this, because

1507
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 5: it's it's it's something the.

1508
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: Whole season the way if you could do it, an

1509
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: I got smarter than us, you know. But look, you're

1510
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: firing me up now. There's nothing that I could think

1511
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: of that would be worse, even losing a game than

1512
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: letting my teammates down, man, and knowing if it's sixty

1513
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: percent of you, and knowing that I could go and

1514
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: I'm not there for my teammates that like, literally I

1515
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 1: would not be able to sleep. That was the most

1516
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 1: important thing to me as part of a team.

1517
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 2: Right.

1518
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: And you work, You put so much work in you

1519
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: get to the playoffs, right, that's why you play, Yes,

1520
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: that's why you play right. And so look, I sound

1521
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 1: like an old man, you know, shaking my clouds, but

1522
01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: you gotta do what you can do to get on

1523
01:04:58,840 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: the floor in the playoffs.

1524
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 2: Man, come on, I mean wrong. A lot of people

1525
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 2: are missing games, right, a lot of people. Yes, it

1526
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 2: is it?

1527
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 3: Is it a pride thing where I can't I'm not

1528
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 3: one hundred percent. I can't be who I think I

1529
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 3: need to be, So instead, I just don't want to

1530
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 3: put myself out there? Is it a lazy I'm trying

1531
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 3: to figure out, like what is it?

1532
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 4: Like?

1533
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 1: I think there's some protectionism, Like why wouldn't you be

1534
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: out there?

1535
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 4: Like what is it?

1536
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 2: That's that?

1537
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 1: That's when you're revealed in the playoffs. That's the most

1538
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: disappointing thing, right, Like, look, if you want to be

1539
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 1: remembering this game all right, ain't about how much money

1540
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: you make, how many points you average. It's it's right now,

1541
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: what do you do? That is how you create legacy?

1542
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 2: Right?

1543
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: And if you're a competitor, and we all were competitors

1544
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: the nine nine percentile, that's all that matters. What do

1545
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 1: you do when it matters? The moment the popcorn is yeah,

1546
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: when the popcorns define it?

1547
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 2: Are you out there? And so we're not.

1548
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 1: We're having a question can you please play? Can you

1549
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: please play?

1550
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 2: Well?

1551
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 1: What are we talking about? Can you please play?

1552
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1553
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 1: Do we need?

1554
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 2: What?

1555
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 1: Am I wrong?

1556
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:04,439
Speaker 5: No?

1557
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 4: It's ridiculous. Shouldn't be having that conversation.

1558
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 2: The playoffs man.

1559
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: Game.

1560
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, so let me ask you this, This is a

1561
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 3: little bit rudy playoff game had had the baby missed

1562
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 3: the game. I don't know exactly when the baby came out,

1563
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 3: but if that motherfucker wasn't coming out when that ball

1564
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 3: was tipped up, it's gonna be hard for me not

1565
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 3: to make it to that game, especially in the day

1566
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 3: where these motherfuckers PJ.

1567
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 4: To the grocery store.

1568
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 3: He PJ to the grocery store these fucking days, these

1569
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 3: rich motherfuckers. It would have had to be we the

1570
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 3: fuck had to have quintuplets. She would have had to

1571
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 3: keep popping the motherfuckers out for me to miss that

1572
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 3: playoff game.

1573
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 4: Not a knock on rudy.

1574
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 3: Everybody make their own decisions, but they know way I'll

1575
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 3: miss it that fucking game unless that motherfucker head is

1576
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 3: on his way out while they're throwing the jump ball up.

1577
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,439
Speaker 1: I had a kid. My daughter was born Game one

1578
01:06:58,480 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: against the Spurs, and I got traded back to me.

1579
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: You know. Luckily we had the noon tip and my

1580
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: wife went to the hospital with blood loss. She was

1581
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: on bed rest, all right, I which I didn't find

1582
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: outuntill after the game, but I booked it over there,

1583
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: and so I missed the birth of my daughter because

1584
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: we beat the Spurs in Game one, first victory for

1585
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 1: the grizz of all time for that franchise.

1586
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 4: By the way, I missed one too. I just'tant to

1587
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 4: bring and I want to bring that up. I missed

1588
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 4: one too.

1589
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: Would I would I have missed it if my wife

1590
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: went into labor a halftime. I don't know. That's good,

1591
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 1: you know, yes, honey, I would have. I would have.

1592
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: I missed one too, Like I would have like I

1593
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: would have thought about it. I would have I would

1594
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 1: have thought, like, hey, this is like I oh, I

1595
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 1: have a professional obligation to my team. But I would

1596
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 1: have made every effort, every effort to be there for

1597
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 1: as long as I could. Yes, yes, humanly possible, if

1598
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 1: it was. If it was in the conversation, I'm gonna

1599
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: do whatever I can.

1600
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 4: Yes, now we don't know.

1601
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 3: We hope she had a healthy birth and everything when

1602
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 3: as playing, so we don't know all the details. But

1603
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 3: assuming everything, win is playing and you could have got

1604
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 3: your ass on the PGA and got to that game.

1605
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 3: That's what I would have did. But they ain't need it.

1606
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 3: Beat the motherfucker. Like they stole something without them. Maybe

1607
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 3: they knew something we didn't know. You know what, take

1608
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 3: the night off.

1609
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 1: We got this And like again it was back to

1610
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 1: your point, like if you show your teammates you're doing

1611
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 1: everything you can to be there, guess what, they love

1612
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 1: you and they'll do the same for you. Yes, right,

1613
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: And if you don't do that all right, then there's

1614
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 1: gonna be a fissure of trust.

1615
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 5: And again it goes like I'm not it's hard for

1616
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 5: judge any of it. Like, but if a person says,

1617
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna get hurt any worse, like we had

1618
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 5: Goring Drogs on here, I love this dude. Yes, And

1619
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 5: he goes into the NBA Finals game and they told

1620
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 5: him you have a seven. You have a yeah, basically

1621
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 5: a seventeen percent chance that doesn't tear all the way through. Oh,

1622
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 5: I like those odds, and obviously the first game it pops.

1623
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 5: Well he went out there. I'm cool with that. If

1624
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 5: it's not gonna affect your career long term, and it

1625
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 5: affects your career long term, I'm cool with that. And

1626
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 5: I'm not judging nobody because I don't know the enterg is. Like,

1627
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 5: it just seems to me that there's a lot of

1628
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,679
Speaker 5: people missing playoff games, which is haven't I'm not.

1629
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 2: Comfortable with it, really, Yeah, yeah, games in general.

1630
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 5: In general, playoff games mostly though, Yeah, yeah, yeah, because

1631
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 5: I'm like, I can't wait for these series. Hey, listen,

1632
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 5: we got a prize pick segment coming up, and we

1633
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 5: gave you a doozy one that you cannot be you

1634
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:13,679
Speaker 5: can no matter what you say here, someone's gonna be angry.

1635
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 5: But you do usually gives a good line.

1636
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 3: Listen, do not DM us, do not DM Shane. He

1637
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 3: is entitled his opinion, leave us alone about our opinions.

1638
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 4: We don't play that ship.

1639
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 3: To today's your DMI.

1640
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 5: Today's prize picks. Good luck with this one, sir. It

1641
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,600
Speaker 5: is top all time Duke starting.

1642
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 2: Five mm hmm.

1643
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: Look a lot of players come through Duke, So I'm

1644
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:44,680
Speaker 1: not I'm gonna go. I'm gonna disqualify the guys who

1645
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: didn't stay very long. That's just where. That's just the

1646
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: way it is, Okay. So like Tatum is gonna be

1647
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 1: one of the greats of his generation, all right, Zion,

1648
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: if you a's healthy, hell of a hell of a player,

1649
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 1: they're there one year. I can't. I can't put them

1650
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,839
Speaker 1: in the conversation based on the NBA career, Okay.

1651
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 2: So that's my.

1652
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 1: Cavite for those for the young guys. So I gotta

1653
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 1: go Star Christian Lanner, greatest player ever played Duke. I'm

1654
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 1: gonna go, Grant Hill, I'm gonna go Johnny Dawkins. I'm

1655
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 1: gonna go jj Reddick mm hm. And uh, I'm gonna

1656
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 1: go with my teammate because I'm a humble guy and

1657
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: I love him and he helped me win a championship.

1658
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:27,719
Speaker 2: Uh.

1659
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:38,919
Speaker 1: Jason Williams. Williams guard oriented so late g Hill, Johnny

1660
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 1: Jay will j will there three years it was three years.

1661
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 2: Wow. I never would have got that right. Three years wow. Graduated.

1662
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 5: Wow.

1663
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: So, although I'm surprised we haven't talked about the Florida

1664
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 1: Duke matchup, I mean, I thought that was the I.

1665
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 2: Thought we got we got more.

1666
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 1: I thought that was the only reasoner.

1667
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 5: Before we talk about how we run them. Joe, I'm

1668
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 5: gonna I'm gonna go. I'm gonna start with it. So

1669
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 5: could you named him? And it's a it's an interesting thing.

1670
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 5: Does JJ ready get a head coaching job this year?

1671
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 2: Yes? He does?

1672
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 1: Who?

1673
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 2: I think you're right he does, and I think he

1674
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 2: should he.

1675
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 1: Does what that see if he wants it the NBA,

1676
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:22,719
Speaker 1: He's great.

1677
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 2: I love JA.

1678
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:25,719
Speaker 1: I think he's really thoughtful, really smart.

1679
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know.

1680
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 1: I think if he wants it, I think he gets it.

1681
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 1: You know, people are are I get a question all

1682
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 1: the time, like, well, these guys have no experience, and

1683
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 1: like the mentality for people who run these teams and

1684
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 1: who coach these teams is totally different. These owners, young owners,

1685
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 1: they want like totally outside the box. They don't want

1686
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 1: the retread. They don't want people who've been cast away

1687
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 1: and are They want something new. They want something different,

1688
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 1: exciting and like you're almost these companies are like two

1689
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: bill you know other companies. Now you need like a CEO,

1690
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 1: you don't need you don't need traditional guy right play.

1691
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 2: You need someone that can relate to the best player.

1692
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 3: Exactly the look they I mean, you get you get

1693
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 3: you get great assistant coaches and guys that might be

1694
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 3: great x's and those guy. But if you got a

1695
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,719
Speaker 3: guy that there dse young motherfucker's excited to come play.

1696
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 4: For and work for, and you got that. Do you

1697
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 4: got that locker room?

1698
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 3: You can build, You can build the other things you

1699
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 3: got him Once.

1700
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 4: You went in the locker room, you got it.

1701
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 1: Yes, I think JJ will do a great job. And

1702
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 1: I think he gets a job as well.

1703
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 2: Agree.

1704
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 1: I think he'll do a great job.

1705
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 5: I think the biggest challenge for JJ is going to

1706
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:35,639
Speaker 5: be is not being too friendly.

1707
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 1: I don't know his personality.

1708
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,680
Speaker 5: Obviously, his playing personality was like that, right, like he

1709
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 5: was a tough mother, you know what I mean. Like,

1710
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 5: because you do have to get that locker room, but

1711
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 5: you also can't. Let if your star player, if your

1712
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:49,600
Speaker 5: star player monitors your locker room where you have some

1713
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 5: of the monitor you locker room, then you don't have

1714
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 5: to worry about it.

1715
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 1: Do you guys want he probably need to go to Charlotte,

1716
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 1: then do you guys want to?

1717
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 4: Because if he come to if.

1718
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:56,679
Speaker 3: He come to the Lakers, everybody gonna say it's because

1719
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 3: of Bron, and then he might be he have he

1720
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 3: might have an even harder time of in the locker

1721
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 3: room because they gonna feel like Bron calling all the shots.

1722
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 1: Do do young players today do they want to be coached?

1723
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 1: You're closer to I think.

1724
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 4: The ones that want to win do, Okay, the guys

1725
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 4: that we get to yep.

1726
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 3: I think the guys that want to win, And I'll

1727
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 3: say the reason why because I think the guys that

1728
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 3: we get first and foremost, we get those undrafted guys

1729
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 3: and those guys that are being probably cast away or

1730
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 3: they feel like they got something to prove, so when

1731
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:22,719
Speaker 3: they fucking come here, they're fucking hungry.

1732
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 5: Reality of it, Shane, the only person that needs to

1733
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 5: be wanted to be coached is your best player, best

1734
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 5: two players, because the other ones will have.

1735
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 2: A saying that.

1736
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 1: And the other thing is we didn't have a saying that.

1737
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:31,679
Speaker 2: Shit.

1738
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 5: Let's be honest, Oh you're disgruntled, r I see you later. Like,

1739
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 5: the only people that need to be wanted to be

1740
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 5: coached are your best two players. And if your best

1741
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:41,640
Speaker 5: two players don't want to be coached, you have no

1742
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 5: chance of winning anyway.

1743
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 3: I disagree with that though, kill them, which because everybody

1744
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:45,719
Speaker 3: think they the fucking best players.

1745
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 2: I know, I know, but the hierarchy falls in line.

1746
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 5: Though, it falls in line, eventually falls in line if

1747
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 5: you stay consistent and the season goes without injuries and

1748
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 5: things like that, where there's like this that falls in line.

1749
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 5: Like you know, I'm with you. It's no different than

1750
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 5: everybody in life. Everyone thinks their kids are pro everyone

1751
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 5: thinks it's it's life right now. But if you do

1752
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 5: a long term your best two players, especially in the NBA,

1753
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 5: it's pretty evident. I mean, you go, you go thirty teams,

1754
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:08,720
Speaker 5: you can tell your best players for sure.

1755
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, but a lot of times your best player doesn't

1756
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 3: want to be your leaders.

1757
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 2: Doesn't want to be you want to be coach?

1758
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 4: What I got?

1759
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 2: You got some guys that are the best player. I

1760
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 2: just want to hoop.

1761
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 3: It's like the old You have another guy like a

1762
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 3: Patrick Beverley that to come into your locker room. That'll

1763
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 3: be the fucking guy that echoes the coach's voice. So

1764
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 3: your best player doesn't always want that responsibility. I've heard

1765
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 3: and from best players that say, man, I just want

1766
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 3: to show up on hoop.

1767
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 4: I'm not saying want to be the guy again.

1768
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 2: He has to be coachable, he's we want to be coaches.

1769
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 5: What I'm saying because if it sold Papa bitch Tim Duncan.

1770
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 5: He used to cuss Tim Duncan's ass all the time.

1771
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 5: Because you knew if he cussed out Tim Duncan, everyone

1772
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 5: else like you gotta take it.

1773
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you take it.

1774
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 5: So I mean, I don't know, but that's going to

1775
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 5: jaj reddick. But let's talk about how we beat the

1776
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 5: shell y'all in the tournament.

1777
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 2: That's that's good. That's hard. We end, did you guys, Yeah, yeah,

1778
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:56,680
Speaker 2: yeah good. I prefer you.

1779
01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 1: I prefer to say you taught us a lesson. No

1780
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 1: that that you would this into a lesson. That was

1781
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 1: the difference in us winning the championship the next year.

1782
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 4: I hear you.

1783
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 1: I don't think we could have across the Rubicon, crossed

1784
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 1: that river with up the lessons that that you guys

1785
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 1: taught us. I agree at Syracuse, New York. So actually

1786
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 1: I'm I'm actually great. I came here to say thank you.

1787
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 1: I'm grateful, grateful for the lessons.

1788
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:21,879
Speaker 4: Tell you, thank you, thank you.

1789
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 2: Listen forever the championship is forever.

1790
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 4: Let me tell you.

1791
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,839
Speaker 3: The history of the history of the tournament. Of teams

1792
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:32,799
Speaker 3: that have beaten North Carolina and Duke in one tournament

1793
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 3: is very slim. It is so to be one of

1794
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 3: those teams that have beaten North Carolina and Duke on

1795
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 3: the way to the finals appearance, guys, something to brag about.

1796
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:44,680
Speaker 5: And again, because we're gonna we're gonna go reminiscent for

1797
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 5: a second. The amount of the teams that we actually

1798
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 5: played and beat in that tournament was crazy.

1799
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 4: Oh shit, fucking Oklahoma State with Mason.

1800
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 5: Butler, Illinois with Frank Williams and m Yes, Oklahoma State

1801
01:15:56,400 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 5: with Desmond Mason, and you guys, North Carolina and we

1802
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:02,679
Speaker 5: get beat by Michigan State.

1803
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 2: Yes, yea, So I was Oh.

1804
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 1: We were we were watching, we were watching the Butler game,

1805
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 1: and we were so happy until we weren't. We were

1806
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:19,799
Speaker 1: so happy. I'm like, asshole, that guy from Mitchell, South Carol,

1807
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,760
Speaker 1: South Dakota. You gotta be kidding me. And we're sitting

1808
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 1: there like because we knew, we knew, We're like, oh

1809
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 1: please Butler, please please.

1810
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 2: We weren't scared of all night. We already beat him.

1811
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:32,599
Speaker 1: That earlier in the year, and when you hit that shot,

1812
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 1: I was so mad.

1813
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, I mean, only surprised us. Was that passed

1814
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 3: them the boat? That was only surprised us. You talk

1815
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 3: about thinking you the best player of the team. Yeah,

1816
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 3: ted to that motherfucker to his face, I'm better than you.

1817
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 2: It was a legend. But I looked at it. I

1818
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 2: looked at that.

1819
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 1: I didn't look at the box score forever. We you know,

1820
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 1: you guys turned this over eighteen times. We were three

1821
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 1: for nineteen from.

1822
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 4: Three, and I mean that asshole got tight.

1823
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:05,720
Speaker 1: But you know, you know my my take away from

1824
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 1: that game is I out rebounded Giannas that game, oh

1825
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 1: nine nine rebounds, the greatest, the greatest rebonder history and

1826
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 1: heat history, one of the greatest of Florida. I rebounded

1827
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 1: him in in a mount of mono matter.

1828
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 3: Well, I will say this, I was not much of

1829
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 3: a rebound in college. It wasn't until I was undrafted.

1830
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 3: Take It wasn't ntil I was undrafted and got to

1831
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:28,599
Speaker 3: the Heat, so I realized how poor rebind It.

1832
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 1: Was only eight thirty. Only Batman could do that. Ship.

1833
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:35,839
Speaker 4: No, listen, I admit I was not a great rebound

1834
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 4: in college.

1835
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 3: I wasn't. No, I should have been better, but I wasn't.

1836
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 3: It wasn't until I got the NBA and I asked Keith,

1837
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 3: asking us, how to fuck do I make this team?

1838
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 3: And they said, if you defend the rebound, it's a

1839
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 3: spot for you in any team.

1840
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 1: He said, A rebound every four three minutes.

1841
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 3: Well that was my could do. Who told me a

1842
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 3: rebound every three minutes? You rebound every fucking three minutes.

1843
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:53,599
Speaker 2: That's a good, good advice.

1844
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 3: I used to fucking chase him, boy, and I used

1845
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 3: to look at that stat sheet and at the end

1846
01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 3: of the game, I wanted to fucking rebound every three minutes.

1847
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 2: No one talks about that's.

1848
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 5: A good big it's big analytically, Analytically, that's perfect.

1849
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 2: That's here.

1850
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 1: That's where you want to be a thank you for

1851
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 1: the lessons you know.

1852
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 2: Here, Yeah, the o gs.

1853
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 1: Where men of the people, yep, to touch the people,

1854
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:14,640
Speaker 1: to hold up you know, we gotta go.

1855
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 4: I just need that story to be told. We can

1856
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 4: go back today.

1857
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 2: Before we were actually touched people on the road. After

1858
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:23,720
Speaker 2: this is after the twenty seven game winning street.

1859
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 1: No game game one Game one, we beat Toronto in

1860
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 1: the afternoon game Super Bowl Sunday.

1861
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 4: Super Bowl Sunday. We have it.

1862
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 3: We have it, We go out, started it, we go out,

1863
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 3: we have drinks, we hang out there and just get

1864
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 3: it to the story show. This is one of the

1865
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 3: greatest moments. So in the history of the Heatles people.

1866
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:44,599
Speaker 1: You know, we win twenty seven games in a row. Yes,

1867
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:48,719
Speaker 1: second longest winning streak NBA history. We had the noon

1868
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 1: game on a Sunday, Super Bowl Sunday in Toronto. Tough

1869
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 1: game to win, terrible game because Toronto's great, great town historically.

1870
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a loser on your calendar. Yeah, you have

1871
01:18:57,320 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 5: a schedule, your market down.

1872
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 1: So we all have football. I mean I think we

1873
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:04,640
Speaker 1: watched more football we did basket. Yes, yes, And so

1874
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:06,639
Speaker 1: Bron was going to charter a plane to fly from

1875
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 1: Toronto to Miami so we can watch the game, all right,

1876
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 1: and he'd like, no, no, no, you know we're gonna

1877
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 1: stay watched the game. I have a have a team party.

1878
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 1: We have a back to back in Miami the next

1879
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 1: day in Charlotte, Okay, So like you know, everyone's like, oh, yeah,

1880
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 1: we know, don't have too much to drink. Got a

1881
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 1: game tomorrow. That was the Niners Raven Super Bowl. There

1882
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 1: was a power outage in the middle of it that

1883
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,679
Speaker 1: lasted like an hour and a half. Well, the beer

1884
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 1: was free and it was cold. I it was what

1885
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 1: free and cold and cold? And I had I don't

1886
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 1: even know how many I had, And it was then

1887
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:46,719
Speaker 1: an Christine beer and I ended up taking off Colin Capern,

1888
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 1: next jersey, off the dummy that was on there running around.

1889
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 1: Next I was cheering, everyone was on the Ravens. I

1890
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 1: was cheering for the Niners. And after the game, I

1891
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 1: just feeling the love. It was one of the great days.

1892
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,799
Speaker 1: It was one of the great days of being a teammate.

1893
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 1: Like I just I felt like someone had like say

1894
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 1: something to capture the moment. So I'm on the bus

1895
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 1: and I get up and I love a microphone obviously,

1896
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 1: and I started pontificating and just about you know, how

1897
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,720
Speaker 1: we have something special and like, you know, we have

1898
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 1: a chance to you know, really change the world and.

1899
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:13,679
Speaker 2: Reach reach people.

1900
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 1: And you know, we have to touch the people through basketball,

1901
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 1: touch the people socially, not physically, you know, touch the

1902
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 1: people emotionally through basketball. And all of a sudden, I

1903
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 1: turn around and I got everybody looking at me. So

1904
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:31,680
Speaker 1: that just encourages me more, and I'm like, this is

1905
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 1: so special, guys. We have to take this moment and

1906
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:37,520
Speaker 1: we have to spread the message of love and togetherness

1907
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 1: to the world and they'll always remember us. We touch

1908
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 1: the people, So at least that's what I think I said,

1909
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I don't really remember what

1910
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 1: I said.

1911
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:49,640
Speaker 2: It was more like this touch the people. Actually it

1912
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:50,719
Speaker 2: was actually an epic speech.

1913
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 4: So it was great.

1914
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 1: So we win the next twenty six games after that,

1915
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: and people said that was because the battier speech that

1916
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 1: that happens. That was a touch to people's speech, elite speech.

1917
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 2: It was wish I could have remember that.

1918
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 4: We all understand where you were going with it.

1919
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 3: Yes, we all understood where you were going with and

1920
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 3: what we had the opportunity to do with the group

1921
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 3: that we had, and we did, and then what the

1922
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 3: expectation was. So we all understood and we all agree

1923
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 3: with you one thousand. We was on that liquor too,

1924
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 3: so that ship made.

1925
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 5: But anyways, now we're gonna touch the people, touch people,

1926
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 5: all right. Fan questions, Did you really go to Denny's

1927
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:25,400
Speaker 5: after the first championship and what did you order?

1928
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 1: See again, the narrative. You can't always believe the narrative.

1929
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 1: So I did go to Denny's, but people made it

1930
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 1: sound like we won the championship and I went straight

1931
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 1: to Denny's. Had some had a grand Slam. No, I

1932
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 1: was live with all y'all. Okay, we couldn't I couldn't

1933
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 1: even here it live. So it was great. It was like,

1934
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 1: we want the championship? What never mind?

1935
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 2: You know?

1936
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 1: And then at four in the morning, Yes, I was

1937
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:54,720
Speaker 1: hungry and I was famished, and we went to Denny's.

1938
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 1: But people thought I went straight for Denny's from the gym,

1939
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:00,120
Speaker 1: and so the you know, which would be wild. A

1940
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 1: lot of grandma's were like, that's so sweet of you.

1941
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 5: American airlines to Danny's if your nuts, I bet they

1942
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 5: went crazy when you put it it was a stop

1943
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 5: on the way home.

1944
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:10,760
Speaker 3: Fuck, I bet that ship was crazy. We don't worry

1945
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:12,560
Speaker 3: shaying I couldn't see and live. You couldn't hear. I

1946
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 3: couldn't see shocker, Yes, it was very loud.

1947
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:20,719
Speaker 5: Next question, who reminds you of you in today's NBA?

1948
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 2: Oh my nobody.

1949
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 1: Who's who's a no talent on athletic stop?

1950
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 2: I know what Kobe was talking about in the book.

1951
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 1: Stown playing the skill level and athleticism is just so

1952
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 1: it's over my head. It's a game I'm all familiar

1953
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 1: with Kobe, I don't know because the game is just different.

1954
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 1: You can't play defense anymore as a wing anymore.

1955
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you kind of. I don't have don't just no one.

1956
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 2: I can't think of anybody.

1957
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:51,800
Speaker 1: What was it?

1958
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 5: Light Garden Tim Duncan in the twenty thirteen NBA Finals.

1959
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 2: Again the narrative.

1960
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 1: I got switched off on him him after we got

1961
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 1: a turnover because of two point game, three point game,

1962
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:09,800
Speaker 1: and Tim Duncan's huge, massive, massive man, and all I

1963
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:11,639
Speaker 1: was trying to do is just trying to make him hesitate.

1964
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 1: And I swiped at the ball, which is I was

1965
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 1: pretty good. I missed the ball, but it gave him

1966
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 1: enough to think about and he jacked a little bunny

1967
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 1: layup and he jacked the tip again and we got

1968
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:26,680
Speaker 1: the rebound and ended up winning the game. And everyone's like,

1969
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 1: oh man, you play great defense on Tim Buckha'm like, no,

1970
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 1: I didn't.

1971
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 2: I get lucky.

1972
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 1: I didn't affect him like at all. So I will

1973
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 1: never I will never claim I was the cause of

1974
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:39,559
Speaker 1: that miss that it was.

1975
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 4: I just find himent of that motherfucker was nice.

1976
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:44,639
Speaker 1: God, how would you guard Victor?

1977
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 3: I don't want none of that ship, ship, none of

1978
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:53,679
Speaker 3: this smoke. That's how I had nine days at seven

1979
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 3: to two.

1980
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:55,679
Speaker 2: I'm living.

1981
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: I'm living with his step backs, I'm living with his fadeaways.

1982
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 1: Once gets in the pain, it's just it's over. You

1983
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 1: can't even think about it. So might even living with

1984
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 1: his threes, living with that and you get careful though,

1985
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 1: if he gets like momentum and it's a step, he's

1986
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 1: gonna row step step you and be at the rim.

1987
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:13,640
Speaker 1: And so you got to be able to really keep

1988
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:16,639
Speaker 1: him off balanced, getting into him, get off.

1989
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,679
Speaker 5: Actually, I actually think, I actually think, and again there's

1990
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 5: no easy answer to this one. He's victory, He's who

1991
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:23,720
Speaker 5: he is for a reason, right, But I actually think

1992
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 5: guys like you would give him the best, be the

1993
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:27,840
Speaker 5: best guys on him, like getting up in his hips

1994
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 5: at least for now, right, Like making him at least

1995
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 5: try to turn body and turn back the basket. Like

1996
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 5: like when you're saying if you if you space him,

1997
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 5: he's coming at you and by the time you even

1998
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 5: even hit he's your own and doing this you know

1999
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 5: what I mean, Like, I think guys that are like

2000
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:42,720
Speaker 5: that I thought would be good this year, And I

2001
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:44,560
Speaker 5: haven't watched enough of him to say it would be

2002
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:46,639
Speaker 5: Guys to get up in his hips, be physical, be shorter,

2003
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:47,760
Speaker 5: guys actually.

2004
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 2: Make the catch tough. Yep.

2005
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 3: Yes, I was just gonna say that every catch has

2006
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:52,720
Speaker 3: to be touched. You can, yeah, as much as you

2007
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:53,600
Speaker 3: can catch it.

2008
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 1: Then once once he catches it, you force him one

2009
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 1: way and then when he starts to think about his move,

2010
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 1: then you switch it and then make him have the

2011
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 1: wrong pivot foot. That's the only way you.

2012
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 5: Can be problem with NBA basketball now is even making catch.

2013
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:07,639
Speaker 5: They'll put him in picking picking pops and now he's

2014
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 5: playing out of closeouts and you're I mean, what are

2015
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 5: you doing your hardsholl you you know, smushing unders, Like.

2016
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do it?

2017
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:15,320
Speaker 2: If you hits Trumpers he hit trump.

2018
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 4: I mean, at the end of the day, the ball

2019
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 4: is a priority. You got to make sure you got

2020
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:20,400
Speaker 4: that pick and roll and the ball grows back to

2021
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:21,760
Speaker 4: him and you got to deal with that. That's right,

2022
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 4: Like Shane said, don't give him nothing easy.

2023
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 3: Every touch has got to be Every touch has got

2024
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 3: to be tough and every shot has got to be contested.

2025
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 3: Give the ship easy, and you just hope for the best.

2026
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:32,680
Speaker 5: You see how you see how I jumped in there

2027
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 5: and gave some defensive advice.

2028
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll see that.

2029
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:36,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see you thinking about I see you wheels

2030
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 3: turn things that I got a chance, the.

2031
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:42,679
Speaker 2: Front roll seat, the front row seat.

2032
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 1: Ever say you were coaching.

2033
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 3: Just to go back to what you said, you said

2034
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 3: guys like us, like you should have said us.

2035
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, not me, not me.

2036
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:54,600
Speaker 2: But I do. I do.

2037
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:56,560
Speaker 5: I still believe that, Like that's the next thing for

2038
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 5: him is going to be take that smaller guy's physicality,

2039
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 5: those six having six' eight wings that are strong and,

2040
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:04,759
Speaker 5: physical that can move side to, side because the reality

2041
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 5: situation if you just gotta keep them off the file

2042
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 5: lines and you gotta keep them out of the, paint

2043
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 5: which is easier said than, done let's be, honest but,

2044
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:11,759
Speaker 5: yeah that's the best way to do. It, Anyways, CHANEL

2045
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:13,679
Speaker 5: i can't thank you enough for coming in, here, brother

2046
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 5: one of my favorites of all.

2047
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:16,759
Speaker 1: Time seriously blessing us with these.

2048
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 5: Stories more than, anything memories strength and honor and strength

2049
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 5: and not it but for Real thank you so much for, everything,

2050
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 5: Brother it was awesome having you in. Here tune In

2051
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 5: tuesday's Man oje's are out of.

2052
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 1: Here thank You. Pe