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Speaker 1: Oh hey, everybody, Welcome to another episode of The Hunting Collective.

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Speaker 1: We are still quarantine, but we're still making shows. Say hey, Phil, Hey, Ben,

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Speaker 1: what's up? Uh? Just gonna check in with you one

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Speaker 1: more time. Just take your temperature. How are you feeling

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Speaker 1: about it? You're not sick? Are you? No? I feel good? Um,

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Speaker 1: there's uh, there's a lot of homeschooling. It's a lot

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Speaker 1: of um going for walks. Nothing's changed, Ben, walks and

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Speaker 1: home schooling. That's good. Consistency is key during quarantine. And

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Speaker 1: thanks for that. Phil. Yeah, well, I mean one thing

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Speaker 1: I can say I haven't done is turkey hunting. I know. Well, well,

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Speaker 1: we hear more about your feelings on that later in

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Speaker 1: the show, But today's show is all about turkey hunting.

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Speaker 1: Turkey season has sprung upon us here in Montana, and

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Speaker 1: most places in the rest of the country are open.

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Speaker 1: There're certain some of you stragglers around the country still

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Speaker 1: without turkey season, but we are in the middle of

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Speaker 1: it now and we're happy to be there. So we

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Speaker 1: got Yanni to tell us a lot for an eagle,

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Speaker 1: to tell us all about his early experience or lack thereof,

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Speaker 1: with turkeys. On opening weekend, we got the flip flop

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Speaker 1: flusher Seth Morris coming to tell us about his similar experiences,

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Speaker 1: and then I got some of my own, and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about a lot of things. The one thing

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Speaker 1: we think Turkey Hunter screw up the most at the time,

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Speaker 1: Phil killed our original turkey podcast publicly and scantting for birds,

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Speaker 1: hunting during the quarantine, hunting turkeys and snow, all that

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And then we have a listener coming

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Speaker 1: on now, Phil, Uh, you don't like my name for

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Speaker 1: our new listener segment. Do you have any other ideas?

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Speaker 1: Because I said a sheltered perspective, but you don't like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm coming around on it, mostly because I

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Speaker 1: can't think of anything better. So now that's my wife always,

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Speaker 1: That's what she said before we got married. Nice dead

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Speaker 1: joke there for you. Uh. And then and then it's

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Speaker 1: a big deal to me, should be a big deal

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Speaker 1: all of you. We've kind of if if you want

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Speaker 1: to style Peter, you can go back and listen to

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Speaker 1: our podcast with Colonel Tom Kelly um, and then listen

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Speaker 1: to our podcast with Will Primos it is. And then

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Speaker 1: before you do that, you should listen to our podcast

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Speaker 1: with Dr James kennermer if you listen to those three podcasts,

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Speaker 1: you're getting kind of a triumvirate of legendary turkey hunters,

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Speaker 1: from conservation too to writing to call making. In the

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Speaker 1: case of our guest today, legendary Will Primos talking about

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Speaker 1: turkey calls. If you love turkey hunting and you like

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Speaker 1: calling turkeys, you want to stick around for the great

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Speaker 1: Will Primos coming at you right now. Hey, everybody, welcome

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Speaker 1: to episode one hundred and twenty one of The Hunting Collective.

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Speaker 1: Of course, been O'Brien. We have Phill the Engineer. Let's say,

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Speaker 1: hello Phil, Hello Ben. We also have the flip Flop,

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Speaker 1: motherfucking FLI sure, he and the Eagle, the lot via

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Speaker 1: an eagle, be honest, but tell us and he's he's

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Speaker 1: growing a beard or some sort of facial hair over there, Yannie,

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Speaker 1: what's going down? Yeah, that's a that's a better way

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Speaker 1: to describe it. You can't really call it a beard,

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Speaker 1: Is there a you have a particular goal with that

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Speaker 1: facial hair? Is it just kind of we just don't care. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's just the COVID nineteen. Um, rather let it

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Speaker 1: grow than shave beard. That's true. How's the mustache looking lean?

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Speaker 1: That mustache in there? Flip flop, let's see it. That's

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Speaker 1: looking good. Oh yeah, well, grooms, I've been maintaining this

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Speaker 1: facial hair. Phil, have you shaved yet? Yes? Yes, I

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Speaker 1: There was no There was no us. Check the records. Well,

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Speaker 1: very sad. Do you feel like you maybe want to

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Speaker 1: month or two. Absolutely not. I feel great, feel quan

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Speaker 1: very different strategy which I really appreciate. Johnie, tell people

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Speaker 1: your early season bad weather Turkey on the strategy. Um.

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Speaker 1: We for multiple reasons, not just because it's Turkey season,

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Speaker 1: just sending good vibes your way. I hope, I hope

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Speaker 1: the next maybe next weekend turns out a little better

423
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 1: for you. I don't know if you've been what the

424
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 1: weather is supposed to be doing or but good, we're

425
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: all counting on you. How bummed are you? I'm trying

426
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 1: to think to make like a scale to find out

427
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: how bummed you are about not being able to go

428
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: to Texas to Turkey hunt, Like super bummed ten would

429
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: be like your um cat dying. You have cat pet cats, right,

430
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: So ten would be like your cat dies unexpectedly, not

431
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: because of old age, by a car. And then one

432
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 1: is just like, you know, you didn't get what you

433
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 1: thought you were going to get for dinner tonight. You're

434
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: like whatever, but I'm kind of bummed. So where are

435
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: you on that scale? How how bummed are you that

436
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 1: you're not turkey hunting? H two and a half. Listen, listen.

437
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: I know that that that that might offend, that might

438
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: offend you, might offend some listeners. I just want by

439
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,479
Speaker 1: sweet boy, listen. I don't have all this time, I

440
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: don't have any context. I need to get out there

441
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: because I I've I've told everyone. I've got no expectations.

442
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: I've got no you know I don't. I'm not thinking

443
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 1: it's I don't think it's gonna be awful. I don't

444
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be the time of my life. Maybe

445
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: I get out there and it is the time of

446
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: my life. It changes my life. I've been right now weeks. Phil.

447
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 1: Let me be your context, let me be your perspective.

448
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: Do everything that I do. Yeah, that's a horrible idea.

449
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: So I didn't mean to offend. I'm just I'm telling

450
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: the truth, more reason for you guys to want me

451
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: to get out there and experience it myself. I feel

452
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: like that's right. There are millions of listeners across the

453
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: world that have that we're ready for your hunt, Phil,

454
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: And now they're they're hearing that you weren't even you know,

455
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 1: you're two and a half. Uh you know it was.

456
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 1: I'm I'm glad to be here with my family. Get

457
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: some emails about that one. Yeah, fil some people are

458
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: gonna right end and they're if they're not already angry.

459
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: I feel that I can feel the heat. I feel

460
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: the anger right now. I totally get it. Man. It

461
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: was five years of all my l cutting guiding buddies

462
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 1: talking about turkeys, and I just be like, really really like,

463
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: it's that exciting, that good, and I blew them off,

464
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: blew them off. And then I even went a couple

465
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: of years and still didn't really get it. And then

466
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: something happened in it and it clicked, and uh yeah,

467
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 1: now I'm like a just a monkey with calls in

468
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 1: my pockets and in my mouth just all the time. Turkeys, turkeys,

469
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 1: everything I like around the first of April, everything I

470
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: see in a field, every kind of dark shape in

471
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: the field. It's a strutting. Like every old tire or

472
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: like every tire that's a like a pivot is in

473
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: the field. And there's like every tire is a turkey,

474
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: every old log is a turkey. I mean, there's nothing

475
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: I can do. It's like inviolent. I saw a moose

476
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: the other day at like maybe four four hundred fifty

477
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: yards out my window here at the house, and I

478
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 1: had to glass it to make sure it wasn't a

479
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: strutter another moose. So that's like, no, it's definitely a moose.

480
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, man, it's kind of big

481
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: and kind of bulky, and those strutters they look big.

482
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it so much to Phil,

483
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: and I can't wait to already try to give you. Well,

484
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: you deleted a whole podcast that we did on purpose.

485
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: I feel that was no trust me yours. Yours wasn't

486
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: the only one, Bennett was not on purpose. Alright, alright,

487
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: I'll get out for I forgive you. Um let's see. Well,

488
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: and I tried it. You know what I tried to do, Johnny,

489
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: to really psych fill up. I tried to, like, you know,

490
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: like sword in the Stone style, give him the tenth Lead,

491
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 1: my copy of the tenth Legion, like here you go,

492
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: you go, my child, and I try to like I annoy,

493
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: I put it. I anointed on both of his shoulders.

494
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: I said a short prayer. I read Versus from the

495
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: book while he sat at the foot of my bed.

496
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 1: He just nothing, took nothing. Then, I want you to

497
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: know this is true. It is on my bedside table.

498
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: I was planning on. I was planning on reading it

499
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: before our Texas trip, and uh, you know, plans change.

500
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: But it is still there and I'm still going to

501
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: read it. And more than anything, I'm just excited to try.

502
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: You know, the older you get feel like the harder

503
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: it is to kind of try new things. I'm just

504
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: excited to try something new. Hopefully I love it, um,

505
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: but I am looking forward to it. No matter how

506
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: much you like it, Phil, I'll be disappointed. You could

507
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: be like it changed my life. I'm divorcing my wife

508
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: and I'm moving to the mountains to hunt. You're like

509
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: you don't understand, Like you don't know what I'm talking about.

510
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: There's no way, So well, moving on, Like we gotta

511
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: do something. We got will pre most coming up. He

512
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: nin without me bringing it up Tom Kelly's the tenth Legion, which, um,

513
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: I will say that I gave Phil one of my

514
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: copies and the other copies in the office, so I

515
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: don't have a copy two copies in neither one of

516
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: them are here in my house with Meause I'm a

517
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: little I feel a little bit alone. UM, I don't

518
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna do. I might have to break

519
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: into the office and get my other copy. So we

520
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: shall see. But we're gonna get to well will Primo soon.

521
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: We did a whole thing him and I just about

522
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: Turkey sounds Turkey calls turkey strategy pretty much everything from

523
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: a legend a master in the game, that is Will Primo.

524
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: So I hope you guts stick around for that that's

525
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: coming up soon before we get there. UM, I wanted

526
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: to go around the round table here, uh, in our

527
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: four different rooms and give one one thing that we

528
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: Turkey hunters always screw up, like the one thing we

529
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: do wrong more than anything else in your opinion, UM,

530
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: I'm throwing the shot out of a cannon sou block

531
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: trying to come up with one thing that we screw

532
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: up because there's so many. But Seth I'll let you

533
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: kind of lead it off. What's the thing that turkey

534
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: hunters most often screw up? Oh? Man, I think when

535
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: it in in the moment, when you got a bird

536
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: just hammered and he's coming. Um. I think people sometimes

537
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: call too much. They just they just want to hear

538
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: that bird keep hammering and hammering and um, yeah, I

539
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: think it's just I think people just need to shut

540
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: up sometimes and let the bird come to them. Yep.

541
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: That you'll hear that from a little primus in fact,

542
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: and he explains why it used to be. You know,

543
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: two or three generations ago, the turkey unting tactic was

544
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: called three times shut up and that's all. So you'll

545
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: you hear that from Will coming up here not too long.

546
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: But Yanni, what's your one thing that turkey hunters you're

547
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: asking me to pick out? Like my the most I

548
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: would I think is the most common or just any

549
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: any any common mistake. I think the most common mistake

550
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: the thing that it could be, you know, your own

551
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: personal experience or something that you've seen most often another hunters.

552
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: Mm hmm um. I think probably for me now not

553
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: being a cautious like inexperienced beginner more of a beginner

554
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: hunter and being a little cocky or and a little

555
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: more confident out there that I a lot of times

556
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: I sort of I overrun a turkey and I get

557
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: a little too tight and a little too close, and

558
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: I push it too much as as opposed to you know,

559
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: easing in there. Um and you know, bust a bird

560
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: before I even never get a chance to set up

561
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: and call on them, And uh boy, it burns. It hurts,

562
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, especially out here. If you know you've hyped

563
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: couple three miles maybe an hour in the dark, and

564
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: you pull one of those, Um, it's a it's a

565
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: real bummer. So it's probably probably pretty pretty common, I think,

566
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: is just pushing a little too hard. Yeah. I did

567
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: that last year in Texas on a bird that was

568
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: just coming on a string. I mean he was just

569
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: all I had to do was weight. I mean he

570
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: was coming on strings. So he was covering like five

571
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: yards and maybe five minutes. I mean he was coming hard,

572
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: and I was working him good, and he kind of

573
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: hung up on this little lip of this little hill

574
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: that dropped dropped him down into the kind of the

575
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: meadow we were in. He hung up for a minute

576
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: or two and I got so aunty. I'm like, let's

577
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: run up to this this rock right here, we'll get down,

578
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: we'll pop out, and he'll be right there. We'll be

579
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: able to shoot him. While we ran up to the

580
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: rock and he was literally his wings were literally dragging

581
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: against the other side of the rock where we were,

582
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: and he must have heard us or heard of shift

583
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: in and off he went. And so I that's probably

584
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: me personally, Yannie, That's probably the thing I've done wrong

585
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: more than anything. Um, but my I guess my one thing.

586
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this a lot lately, and I'm

587
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: really interested to hear you guys perspective. My one thing

588
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: is hunting the roost. Like I just I've had more

589
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: success over the last couple of years hanging back roosting

590
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: a bird or knowing where they're roosting and being able

591
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: to try to It's it's a little bit easier out

592
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: here in the west when it's a little bit more

593
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: open and those riparian bottoms and in the ponderoses. If

594
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: you can get an eye on a turkey in his

595
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: roost tree, laying back as far as you can, watching

596
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: where they fly down, seeing if you can listen to

597
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: how the hens fly off, whether they're vocal when they

598
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: hit the ground, whether the gobbler's vocal when he hits

599
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: the ground. Laying off, learning the conversation and then getting

600
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: where they want to be, um and reading the terrain

601
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,479
Speaker 1: rather than storming in there to a hundred yards and

602
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: making making that play. Um. I I don't know if

603
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: I want to say that it's a mistake to hunt

604
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: the roost, but man, there certainly is another option that

605
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: even for beginners, UM, seems better to me. And I've

606
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: had more success laying back on the roost than than

607
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: than charging in there over the last say, two or

608
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: three years, so that's starting to be the thing. I

609
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: think that more than anything. Do you think about that, Yunny,

610
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: I uh, I definitely agree with you. I think that, um,

611
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: you can push too hard and get too close under

612
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: the roost, And I think that hunting the roost is

613
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: like a completely different hunt than you know, everything that

614
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: happens after they basically hit the ground and for the

615
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: whole rest of the day. Um. But man, it's I

616
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: hate missing it or laying back because man, it's just

617
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: so much fun to be in there and just dreaming

618
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: about if you can actually do everything right, and he

619
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: flies down to fifty yards from you and then struts

620
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: twenty yards closer and you know, you boom it at thirty. Um.

621
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I like being in there tight

622
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: and just watching them and listening to him wake up

623
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: and hearing all the gobbles. It's fun. Um. But yeah,

624
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: I guess it just depends on you know, if you

625
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: if it's like the last day and you gotta you know,

626
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: you gotta get it done, you're not gonna get another chance,

627
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: then it might it might be a good idea to

628
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: back off, let him hit the ground and just kind

629
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: of see which way they're heading and try to cut

630
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: him off, because it's always easier to call it turkey

631
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,959
Speaker 1: the way he's are already walking. Yeah, for sure, Seth.

632
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: If you got any thoughts on that one. Um, yeah,

633
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: I I really I don't think I've ever killed turkey off.

634
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: Like setting up on the roost him flying down, it

635
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: was all yeah, we always just we would always do it,

636
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: always set up on him on the roost and you know,

637
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: play the game first thing in the morning. But most

638
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: of the times they just flew down, shut up, or

639
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: flew down when you know, had hands went the other way. Um.

640
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: One time we we set up on a bird that

641
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: was on the roost and he was, you know, fired

642
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: up god Alden a dozen times on the roost and

643
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 1: then flew down. And I was hunting with my buddy

644
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: and his at the time girl friend, UM, and the

645
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: bird flew down and landed five feet from her, and

646
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: she had the gun and she shot and missed. Yeah,

647
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: that's why I've it definitely can work. I'm not saying

648
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: it's it's not a workable situation. I just especially for

649
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: new hunters, I think you're it's such a delicate time

650
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: for that turkey. I mean, he he obviously before he

651
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: flies off the roustes, it might be the most heightened

652
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: time of his day, you know, looking for he's up

653
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: there for safety, among other reasons. But he's up there

654
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: for safety, and he's when he getting ready to pitch down.

655
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: He's getting ready to pitch down into some danger. And

656
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: so I don't know, I adn't think. I just think

657
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: it's a it can be a time, um, a heighting time.

658
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: So if you're new to it and you don't know

659
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: what noises to make, and you don't kind of know

660
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: how to use the terrain and how to judge where

661
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: they might pitch down. You can get it wrong and

662
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: in a in a way that can ruin your day

663
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: in about twenty minutes. So it's a it's an interesting one,

664
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: but one to think of. Um. Nonetheless, now I guess

665
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: we could end this up by like, what's the You're

666
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: gonna wait till later this week, Joannie to get out

667
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: there and chase the turks. That's correct. Um, what are

668
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: you expecting? You bring your girls with you? You're gonna

669
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: go solo? What's the what's the plan? Uh? You know,

670
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm bringing the whole crew. Like I was saying earlier,

671
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: I got a little private spot. It's little, it's only

672
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: forty acres and it's got a pilot turkeys on it

673
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: right now. And um, we were there the other day

674
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: chatting with the owners, and less than a hundred yards

675
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: away there was strutter's and birds chasing each other around.

676
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: So it seems like it's gonna be the fish in

677
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: the barrel. But you know how ship changes when you

678
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: show up in Camo with a gun with high expectations.

679
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: So um, but yeah, I want to go there when

680
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: it's nice, and uh, I don't need to make my

681
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: kids freeze in the I want them to experire. We're

682
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: gonna get in there early, right underneath them probably, although

683
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know exactly where they roost, but

684
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: I have an idea, and um so I want the

685
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: kids to experience just you know, the turkey's waking up

686
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: and all the goblin that will hopefully happen in the trees,

687
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: and then uh yeah, hopefully we can get a knocked

688
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: out a couple of birds and um enjoy some sunshine

689
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: and uh maybe have like a mid morning nap. You know.

690
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: That's that's what I want out of a day of

691
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: turkey hunting. So I'll keep working while it's cold and snowy. Yeah,

692
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: this is my mid morning map right now. Um so, yeah,

693
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: I like I got some birds located this morning. I

694
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: could have, and then they were just perfect. There was

695
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 1: three big gobblers in a tree, seven hands and two jigs,

696
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: but not on public. They were on public, but I

697
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: just wasn't sure the route over there. Um, there's a

698
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: bit of a corner hopping situation happening that I wasn't

699
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: really comfortable with. Um, but I know some folks who

700
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: have hunted it before, so I just backed out of there,

701
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: and I wanted to to make a few phone calls

702
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: to see if I could safely get over there, and

703
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: it turns out I can. And uh so I'm looking

704
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: forward to getting back in there tonight and just trying

705
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: to locate them. And I'll have plenty of I got,

706
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: you know, plenty of acres to work with and plenty

707
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: of plenty of space to get after him. So I'm

708
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: confident because they hit the ground and they just kept

709
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: on rolling. I didn't I didn't make a peep at him.

710
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: I just watched them, and they kept All three of

711
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: the gobblers were just lighted up. Every every fifth step

712
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: they were letting one rip. So um, it's in a

713
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: really obvious spot. Like most any hunter that looks at

714
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: this thing and wants to hunt this little piece on

715
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: the map, We'll find these turkeys in five seconds. So um,

716
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: I gotta get over there before some other intrepid hunter

717
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: beats me to it. Are you just gonna go and

718
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: sit at the Roos Street and let him come to you?

719
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: There's a little. Luckily for me, there's like a little

720
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: I we should maybe to even discuss the ethics of that.

721
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm not a real big fan of that. Um it's

722
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: not unethical, but it is what it is. Um. I

723
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: there's nothing says that he's gonna come back to that tree.

724
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: That's right, That's why. That's why you're there's a little

725
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: there's a little ditch, and then on the other side

726
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: of the dishes is a nice cut. It looked like

727
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: a cut bean field doesn't really matter. A cut open

728
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: field that's probably an acre maybe. Um So I'm just

729
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: gonna tuck in there and set up a deacon and

730
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: uh soft call until until the prime time to see

731
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: what happens. I have a feeling the way this is

732
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: structured that there's only there's a there's like really one

733
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: traveled corridor two and from this big set of cottonwoods

734
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: where they're probably going to be rous and so it

735
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: when you look at it, that's why I was so

736
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: excited about it. When you look at it, the playbook

737
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,479
Speaker 1: is there's not like eight things they could do. There's

738
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: really really one but possibly too but one they have

739
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: to fly over a big old body of water for

740
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: the second one. So I feel like it's a you know,

741
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: it's pretty textbook, so hopefully i'll mess it up. Well,

742
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: let's talk ethics real quick though, because you're saying you're

743
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 1: not you're like not quite sure of hanging out under

744
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: a tree that they roosted in the night before. You

745
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: feel like that's maybe blurring the ethical line for you

746
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: personally a little bit. Um. I'm also I'm trying to

747
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: kill as many turkeys as possible because I love the

748
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: meat and I want to like stack these tags up.

749
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: Everybody listening to this knows my goal a year is

750
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,959
Speaker 1: always ten turkeys, and I think that's the limit. Um,

751
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: that's enough to get get my family through just the white.

752
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: If I can interject between my wife and I, we

753
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: did kill ten last year, and we have exactly one

754
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: breast left right now and maybe two or three bags

755
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: of already braised um and pulled thigh and drumstick meat.

756
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: So I think that you're spot on with your number.

757
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: Not good because I did the math, but I'm not

758
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: also not good at math, so there's that. Um. So yeah,

759
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: I mean I think ethically, you know a lot. When

760
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: I grew up, you couldn't hunt the afternoon for most

761
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: of my life, and it's it's that way a lot

762
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: of places, right, And I think it's for that reason, right, Uh,

763
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: that assumption. I don't. I haven't read the book on it,

764
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: but the assumption is can't on the afternoon because it

765
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: becomes a simpler equation. Like you said, Yeahni, they can

766
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: go to any tree they want. Um, they're traveling a

767
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: mile or two miles a day sometimes well and as

768
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: we learned from the Wild Turkey Doc a couple of

769
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: weeks ago, that gobblers rarely roost in the same tree

770
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: two nights in a row. Yeah. Where does using decoys

771
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: you falling on your ethical turkey hunting? Yeah? Yeah, I

772
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: hate I ethics is tough in this, in this scenario,

773
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,439
Speaker 1: but it's like there is a personal ethic to this. Um,

774
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: I think the overall ethic is fine about you know whatever.

775
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: If he asked the turkey, he wouldn't care. He'd like, dude,

776
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: what you gotta do? Man? Uh? I think I I

777
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: I think decoy's falls under the normal, the normal operating

778
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: procedure of a turkey hunter. Um. It gets to be

779
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: a little more questionable when you're using turkey parts, you're

780
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: using a turkey fan, or you've got a little you know,

781
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: jerk string on your turkey thing to make the make

782
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: the turkey move. But I mean, then you've got Dave

783
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: Smith decoys that are creating I mean about his life

784
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 1: like a strut as you can create. Um, And so

785
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: you know, and Callie Morris made famous the fully the

786
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: like the taxidermy turkey decoy back in the day. I

787
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: can't remember his I can't remember his company, but he

788
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: had a whole DVD series of videos where they would

789
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,959
Speaker 1: go out and take a fully a full turkey mount

790
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: and just set out in the field. And so, I

791
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: don't know, there's different levels to everything. I'm doing a

792
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: terrible job of answering your question and probably dancing around

793
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: and on purpose, but I just think, like again, I

794
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: think the normal operating procedure of a turkey hunter is

795
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: to put a decoy out so I'm comfortable, I'm comfortable

796
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: and seth. Are you okay with that? You're you're you

797
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: just hunt with a decoy. That's what you do. Um.

798
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: I'm totally cool with decoin turkeys. I haven't done it

799
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: a whole lot, but um, I've done it a few

800
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: times and I like the results. Last year, Yeah, you

801
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: and I fanned a turkey in in Texas. So even

802
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: that's even an extra an extra level of of that scenario.

803
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean there's levels to everything. I think

804
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 1: people who generally take it take it to extremes. Um.

805
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: But you know, am I right in saying that you

806
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: couldn't hunt in the afternoons for this reason? Over the years,

807
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: you know, the we We've talked about a fair amount

808
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: over on the Old Meat Eater podcast, and I believe

809
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: that there's multiple reasons, um, that being one of them,

810
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: but another one being just to basically give them a

811
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: break because people thought that, you know, you know, you

812
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: pressure them too hard, they're not gonna gobble. And again

813
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: after talking to the opile turkey dock, that turns out

814
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: to be true. You pressure those turkeys too much, they

815
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 1: are going to gobble less. Um, So I think that

816
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: was a reason. Um. So yeah, but yeah, and both

817
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: both of those reasons are sort of to give them

818
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: a break and um, you know, let them just do

819
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: their own own thing a little bit. Yeah. Now, that's

820
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: that's why, you know, personal preference versus ethics is important.

821
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: We have to talk about that. You know, well, like

822
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: is it your personal preference to do it this way

823
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: or or are you acting in an unethical fashion? I

824
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: think the roost tree and the decoy laying is in

825
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: the personal preference thing. What do you personally prefer to do? What?

826
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: What kind of challenge do you wish to construct for yourself? Um?

827
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: I think that that falls into the personal preference side

828
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: of of the ethical conversation. But yeah, admittedly that that's

829
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: a very it's a gray area for always when it

830
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: comes to these things. So yeah, I can tell you

831
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: I've hunted a lot of roost trees in the evening unsuccessfully.

832
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: I have all this false confidence. Now after my early

833
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: morning encounter, I'm like, I'm going right back in there

834
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 1: and whack out. Tom probably gonna take me twenty minutes,

835
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: So yeah, I will. They're probably gonna kick my butt.

836
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: That's what Tom Kelly said, the minute you become confidence,

837
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: that turkey will kick your ass. With that confidence. Um, seth,

838
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: what's your what's you're playing going forward? Here? When the

839
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: weather gets nicer? Um, I'm heading the east this weekend.

840
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: ConA be nice weekend. Um. Going ahead, I'm heading where

841
00:46:54,920 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: the turkey densities are high. That's that's the mecca of Montana.

842
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: At the very least. I'm just gonna do camping, do

843
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: some turkey hunting, get away from people just have a

844
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: good weekend. Amen. Well, we're gonna get to before we

845
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: get the little primos, So thank you Yanni and and

846
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: Seth for for chatting turkeys with it. Before we get

847
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: to the legendary wild primos, we have a listener, Ben CarKey,

848
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 1: who we talked to the other day about his experience.

849
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: He's a new turkey hunter as well, but we also

850
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: wanted to talk to him about his experience during quarantine,

851
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: working and and what we'll call health care works in

852
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: special education but was declared an employee of the state

853
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: Health Department during this this COVID crisis. So before we

854
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: get to will primos, we're gonna jump into our conversation

855
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: with Ben CarKey, a THHC listener that that rode in

856
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: kind of inspired me to have a listener on every

857
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: week from now to the end of the quarantine, just

858
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: to hear their perspective, what they're going through, UM, what

859
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 1: they're looking forward to, what they've had to deal with,

860
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: and um, where they are in their life. So enjoy

861
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: Ben CarKey. Alright, Philip, this is our new segment. We

862
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: haven't figured out what we're gonna call it yet, I said.

863
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: Sheltered perspective but Phil did not like that at all.

864
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: Did you feel I just think it needs some workshopping.

865
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: That's it? All right, Well we're joined by listener. Uh

866
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: we're in New York. Are you say Syracuse? Ben, Syracuse,

867
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: New York? Yeah, pronounce central New York, Central New York,

868
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: up in the hinter lands above the city. Like you

869
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: want to just give people, Uh, your last name is

870
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: it CarKey? Because I always get everybody's last name wrong.

871
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 1: You actually nailed It's It's exactly how it looks like

872
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 1: a car key. Al Right, Well, we're enjoying a little

873
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: happy hour here. Um for a lot of reasons. We

874
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: all need to blow off steam during this time because

875
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: we can agree that this time. I was just thinking,

876
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, Phil, earlier today I was thinking, you know

877
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: what's stupid? Uh, COVID nineteen stupid. Oh you know what,

878
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: I actually agree with you? Thank you? Thanks for um.

879
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: That's you know, every once in a while, I just

880
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: have have those types of thoughts, smart thoughts. Ben, you

881
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: want to give us a quick rundown of of how

882
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: you came to be a listener of this year programma. Yeah,

883
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: just after deer season, like two or three years ago.

884
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: Just still having an itch and started watching Meat Eater

885
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: and then got into the podcast and saw your THHD podcast,

886
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: and uh, I said that worth giving a listen to.

887
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: And uh from then on it was just you know,

888
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: I love at first sight really and then and then

889
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: you met Phil along the way, and what did you

890
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: feel when you first held that sweet sweet velvet that

891
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: is Philly engineer? You know, he he's approachable, likable, you know,

892
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: he's almost got that that hunting innocence to him, which

893
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: don't don't lose that. Don't lose that. Though you know

894
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: you're not the first person to say that, be you Phil,

895
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: there are people, there are people who are do not

896
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: want me to go hunting, so that I keep that perspective. Um,

897
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: so we'll see what happens, you know if you do,

898
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: if you do go hunting, just there's a couple of

899
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: things to remember. Just you don't have to take a

900
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: shot if you're not ready for it, you know. And

901
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: if somebody tells you two to shut up and don't move,

902
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: just shut up and don't move, that's right, like at

903
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 1: like at all, I think this is that's probably a

904
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: nice like that's what's gonna happen. I'm gonna be yelling

905
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: at Phil not to move. At some point in my

906
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: life here soon I feel that coming. So that's great advice, Phil.

907
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: Don't that's practice right now, Phil, don't move for a minute.

908
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. That's not bad at all. What do

909
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: you think there's a little facial twitch, But you know

910
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: what that is. I've got a mini green energy in

911
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: my mouth, may mainline and many green. All right, that's fine. Well,

912
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,919
Speaker 1: ben Um, you're here to kind of tell your your

913
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: quarantine story or pandemic story as it were. Um, you

914
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: kind of via email and a little bit on Instagram

915
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: there we talked a little bit about I think it

916
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 1: was maybe on the Instagram. Either way, it doesn't matter. Um.

917
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: I felt like, you know, you were the one that

918
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: inspired me to kind of want to not just not

919
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,240
Speaker 1: just people that are you know, you watch the news

920
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of of e R doctors and

921
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: nurses and and that's who we should be focused on.

922
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: Obviously those people are on the front lines, but but

923
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: not just that. Every everyone from every walk of life,

924
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: whatever they're doing, this has affected our lives, and it

925
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: and uhum and most in almost all cases made it

926
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: dramatically more difficult and we got a lot of stuff

927
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: to deal with, so, um, you right your note to me.

928
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 1: He was kind of the thing that made me think, Man,

929
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 1: if there's a way we can just tell regular stories

930
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 1: and what people are going through, then we we probably should.

931
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: And so here we are changing lives. You're changing lives,

932
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 1: and tell people what you do for a living. Uh.

933
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: So for a living I work for I'm a county employee.

934
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: I am the education specialist for Onondauga County Preschool special Education,

935
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: so I work with preschoolers and special education, but it's

936
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 1: overseen through the health department. So when this whole thing happened,

937
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: we were all kind of like, hey, when you know,

938
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: are we essential And we were told, you work for

939
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: the health department, you are staying. So we all kind

940
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: of got reassigned, and uh, you know, I'm I'm really

941
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 1: glad that I can be impact in my community. So well,

942
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: you know, uh, answering a lot of phone calls, that's

943
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: kind of been what we've been doing a lot, trying

944
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: to keep kids, um getting there special education services so

945
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: that Dad's keep running throughout all this. So I can

946
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: see it's been a tough time for you. I know,

947
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about that, and um, it's

948
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: emblematic of just the little things that that keep us comfortable.

949
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: Um and and really like, yeah, I mean, special education

950
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: is so important anyway, but during this time, it's even

951
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: it's even more important to kind of bring those people close,

952
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 1: you know, in the I guess, in the sense that

953
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: we can support them, you know. And and for all

954
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 1: these kids who especially these little kids, any little kid,

955
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: but they thrive on that routine and that consistency. And

956
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: in this huge time where really nothing is consistent, you know,

957
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: us adults are going crazy because we're out of our routines.

958
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: Um too, it's so much more important for those kids

959
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: to to you know, at least give a little bit

960
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: of consistency for those kids who've really made so much

961
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: progress too, um So so you know, I don't want

962
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: them to fall back so um. But yeah, we've worked that.

963
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: And people gotta get paid too. That's the other thing

964
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: is we've got hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of therapists

965
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,720
Speaker 1: who are grinding every day. They get paid per child

966
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: that they see, um, so you know, they're driving in between,

967
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,959
Speaker 1: they're having to figure out new ways to do things.

968
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: So you know, we're really working hard to get unpaid

969
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: and then uh, answering the phone lines has really been

970
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: impactful on me. UM, just kind of realizing like there's

971
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: a lot of ridiculous phone calls that we get, but

972
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: you know, some people are like super really just super scared. Um,

973
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, and that that really hurt me in the beginning.

974
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: And then like I just kind of started thinking, you know,

975
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: saying to people, we don't want you to be scared.

976
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: We want you to be aware, you know, be aware

977
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: of how you feel, how the people around you feel. Um.

978
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: You know, if I go here, who's it going to affect?

979
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: Those are the kind of the things that we should

980
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: be here about. Yeah, that's awesome. Man. Do you have

981
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 1: any you know, stories from from this time, particularly that

982
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: that have you know, given you some perspective you'd like

983
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: to share with people that have uplifted you or made

984
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 1: you think twice? Um. One of the thing that we're

985
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: going through right now, UM is we have we have

986
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people calling us and UH telling us

987
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: just how in no in certain terms, how upset they

988
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 1: are that we closed the golf courses recently out here. Um,

989
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: you can go out without golf for two weeks it's

990
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: eight we just had snow today. You know, you can

991
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: go without golf for a couple of weeks. It's it's

992
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: given us these weeks right now. That so that in

993
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:54,919
Speaker 1: the future, in the future, couple of months, you're gonna

994
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: be able to go play golf again. And you really

995
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: got to think, like these guys are taking the time

996
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: out of their day to yellow at me and my

997
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: colleagues about golf when really, you know, we just had

998
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: somebody else in our community died today, you know, and

999
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: like I got older parents there there seventies. Sorry, mom

1000
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: and dad, they're gonna listen to this one. Probably you

1001
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: get two more. Uh, we love your mom and dad,

1002
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: We love you. Tell your friends. But yeah, you know

1003
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: you gotta you know what you think about them too. Um.

1004
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: And I think when you really kind of personalize it,

1005
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: that's when I started really taking it seriously. I remember

1006
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: joking out about it and then I just thinking it's

1007
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: not gonna happen here. And then, uh, you know, a

1008
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 1: couple weeks weeks ago when we you know, it started

1009
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: really you know, keeping to our county and uh, I

1010
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: just can't stress the importance and off of you know,

1011
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: just being aware. Man, Um, we had, you know, a

1012
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: lot of people turning each other in. Um, that's the

1013
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: other thing. Neighbors kind of call it out, neighbors, And uh,

1014
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: it's not always for quarantine reasons, you know, just kinda

1015
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 1: is your daughter watching Frozen right now? It's a Frozen toy,

1016
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: That's what that goes on my house. That's like on

1017
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: a loop. If any parents are out there haven't heard

1018
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: the Frozen song three thousand times during quarantine, You're you're

1019
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: not parenting. I go into full arm, let it go whenever.

1020
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: Given a chance, I'll tell you this story real quick,

1021
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: not to interrupt your you're tell what I'm My little

1022
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: niece is turning three and we had all planned to go.

1023
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: She lives in Ohio. We had planned to go to

1024
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: her birthday party, but we're not gonna be able to

1025
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: get there. So my son and my wife and I

1026
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: are going to dress up like the characters and creative

1027
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: video tribute because she's such a big fan of Frozen.

1028
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: So that's I'm glad that we have that in the

1029
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: background right now. It's good. Um, that's great. Yeah. So

1030
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: those are just the little things, but I we die.

1031
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: I appreciate your your perspective. Um for a lot of

1032
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: it's the little things, you're right, man, Like the other day, Oh,

1033
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: I was thinking and I was about to go to

1034
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: work in the morning, which is it's already so weird

1035
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: because our routine is different. Mean, my wife, our routine

1036
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: got changed, and I mean there's no traffic whatsoever. It's great,

1037
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: but it's different. I didn't know, you know, what was

1038
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: gonna happen at work, and I was kind of stressed

1039
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: out about it, and I was holding my daughter and

1040
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: I realized that she had just had a total blow up,

1041
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: and I was like, it kind of just brought me

1042
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: back down, you know, And I've never been more excited,

1043
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: more happy to just change the diaper because it was

1044
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: the most normal thing, you know, it was. It was

1045
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: kind of one of those little things where whether or

1046
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: not we were in a pandemic, that was gonna happen.

1047
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: And that's one of those, you know, kind of little

1048
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: things that uh, you know, kind of bring it back,

1049
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: you know. And that's why it's important, man, for you

1050
00:58:55,280 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: to just as you know, it's not an extraordinary story

1051
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: that's that you're telling, but it's an important one, you know.

1052
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: Not I'm not putting down your story at all. But

1053
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: I mean it's just everyday people going through these these

1054
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: hardships that are they're hard to see on the surface,

1055
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: you know, they're hard to get to, um, for for

1056
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: most people and for me too. I know, Phil and

1057
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: I live in Bozeman, whether we're not in you know,

1058
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: in the epicenter of it or close to it like

1059
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: you are, and we don't feel it. You know, we

1060
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: see it on the news, we hear it, you know,

1061
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: we know what's happening, but we don't feel it the

1062
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: way you feel it. Um. And so that's that's why

1063
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to hear from you. You know, it was

1064
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: the same way. You know, I kind of felt the

1065
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: same way because you know, we are, you know, a

1066
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: couple of hours away from New York City, so when

1067
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: it was when it was in New York, it was

1068
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: a little bit distant from us, and then all of

1069
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: a sus I remember when we got our first case

1070
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: in our county and things got really real. Um. You know,

1071
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: not sound for voting or anything, but um, you know,

1072
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: once it's you start in it, like put down into

1073
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: your town and there's you know, thirtes right where you

1074
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: grew up, you know, that's where you know, you started

1075
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: thinking about you don't know who who has it and

1076
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: who doesn't has it. So that's you know, kind of

1077
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: one of those things where so hard to deal with. Yeah. Yeah, well,

1078
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: I mean keep taking care of you know, your family,

1079
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: and keep taking care of the people around you. And

1080
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: I know, you know, going to work every day is

1081
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's a little bit unsettling still now that

1082
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: the situation didn't even know the news isn't as dire

1083
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: every single day. It's just so that's so heavy. Yeah,

1084
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,439
Speaker 1: I'd say going to work, it's almost even. It kept

1085
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: me in a routine, kind of gave me something to do, um,

1086
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: you know, and the most important thing is that me

1087
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: being able to answer a lot of the triage calls

1088
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: left all of our nurses are public nurses open to

1089
01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: do their investigation of positive cases, which is wauch an

1090
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: important thing, um, you know, and and kind of seeing

1091
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: the web of every single case, just one single case,

1092
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: and how many contacts that that puts out, um from

1093
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: watching the nurses do their investigations. You know that that

1094
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 1: really impacted me too, where you know they kind of

1095
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: do that, you know, one person gives it to two

1096
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: people and two people give it to four people. You know,

1097
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: there's that kind of cliche saying about things like this,

1098
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: but it's it's really true. Um, you know, it just

1099
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: kind of takes one person to bring it somewhere and

1100
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: you know, not be aware that, hey, I'm not feeling

1101
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: too good today, I shouldn't have gone into work. So yeah,

1102
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 1: it's just we'll keep saying that we said on this

1103
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: show a lot, especially during the quarantine cast um civic responsibility,

1104
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: you know, being responsible for all the people around you,

1105
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: not just yourself. At this time, this is the time

1106
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: to to think hard. And I've struggled. I can't tell you,

1107
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: Ben how much how many phone calls and text I've

1108
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: had from fellow hunters. They are like that are very

1109
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: very upset that they can't go to go here or

1110
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: go there for a turkey hunt, or can't go fishing

1111
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: where they used to. And I I understand that, I

1112
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 1: definitely do, but but it's hard to paint a picture

1113
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: of that being important in the face of, you know,

1114
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: what you deal with on a daily basis. So perspective, man,

1115
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: is it is key right now? It is key. It's

1116
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: absolutely that's you know, we can do this we can

1117
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: get through this. We can get through anything, you know. Um,

1118
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: we just gotta keep it on perspective. And uh, New

1119
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: York just announced that they're keeping our turkey season open,

1120
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: so we gotta stay six feet away from each other.

1121
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: So I gotta buy a bigger blind. Um that whole thing.

1122
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: I like it. Dude, I'm going out turkey hunting for

1123
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: the first time this year. Are you really all right?

1124
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: All right? You can ask Phil whatever you want to

1125
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: ask him. He's an expert at this point. By proxy,

1126
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: He'll he'll be able to tell you pretty much anything.

1127
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, then, uh, I was a big fan of

1128
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: that episode with the guy who was doing the turkey

1129
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: calls just with his mouth. Oh yeah, yeah, that was

1130
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: Now I believe Phil that you he taught you exactly

1131
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: how to do it. What does that sound like again? Though?

1132
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: Uh river Ris, Oh my gosh. That I was almost like,

1133
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: is there a turkey in the room with me? Nailed it?

1134
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: Is there a hen in here? Well, we'll check back

1135
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: in with this and let us know how it goes.

1136
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: Um we'll be I'm gonna be doing the same thing.

1137
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: It's supposed to snow eight inches here tomorrow one opening day.

1138
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: Nice so yeah, that's what we got going on. But

1139
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: go go outside, man, chase some turkeys around. Let us

1140
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: know if you kill one or not, and um, send

1141
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: us a picture. If you do, we'll share with everybody

1142
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: and continue to rout you on from way over here

1143
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 1: and in the mountains. Absolutely, man, thanks for having me on.

1144
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: And I appreciate you guys just kind of keep on

1145
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 1: doing this. Just gave me something, you know, It kind

1146
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: of kept me going, gave me something to look forward

1147
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: to every day when I was driving into work when

1148
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: everybody else wasn't driving into work. Yeah, in well, I

1149
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: appreciate it you too, man. And obviously, like I said,

1150
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: when you send me that message, and I've got other

1151
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: messages like it, it's it's we're just having fun and

1152
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 1: talking into a microphone. So I don't feel at least

1153
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: I think Phil probably feels like what he does is

1154
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: very important, but um, well, from my perspective, it's just

1155
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: it's just fun. We try to have fun and do

1156
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: the best we can to entertain and because that's in

1157
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: some parts our jobs. So we'll keep doing it, um,

1158
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 1: and we'll keep checking back in with you to make

1159
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 1: sure you get through all this stuff. And and Thank

1160
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 1: you so much man for taking care of of everybody

1161
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: out there and being a positive part of your community.

1162
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 1: Oh thanks Man, and and thank you. In times like these,

1163
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 1: we gotta look towards our celebrities. So Phil the Engineer,

1164
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 1: you're too easy, you know, I wanted to call him STP.

1165
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make my own imagine sing along video, just

1166
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 1: like the other the other guests. It's just all it's

1167
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: just all to Phil singing different parts in different rooms. Oh,

1168
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: I like a like like the old Queen video instead

1169
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 1: of Imagine, I'm gonna do like We're not gonna take

1170
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: it by Twisted Sister or something like that. You know,

1171
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: something to really inspire people. That's why outside of the box.

1172
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: So that's why people are drawn to you, Phil, That's

1173
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: why it's it's You're just like a sweet sweet angels

1174
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: about leather Jack. Thank you, thank you? You know what

1175
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: to say? I like when my favorite part about the

1176
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: podcast is when I get filled not to know what

1177
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 1: to say to whatever I've put to them. Happens often.

1178
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna get now to our interview with

1179
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 1: the great and powerful Will Primos from Primos enjoy awesome? Well,

1180
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 1: I think we've probably before I was at Meat Eater

1181
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: here and had this podcast. I was at Yeddie for

1182
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 1: a while and ran their market. Yes you were, I

1183
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: was gonna say, I wonder if you remember. He doesn't. Yeah,

1184
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 1: I do. That's good. That's good. Well, it's good to

1185
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 1: see you. How are you. I'm fine, I'm fine. I'm

1186
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm sixty eight and uh, I don't know when I

1187
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: turned uh sixty or fifty eight or so, I started

1188
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 1: having to be reput back together. So I've had several

1189
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: orthopedic surgeries man, both shoulders, a broken ankle, I had

1190
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: a knee replaced. Uh. I don't know if you know

1191
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: what trigger finger is, but fast fast February. My hands.

1192
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: I used my hands a lot and they would lock

1193
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 1: up on me, and, um, what do you you ever

1194
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: heard of that? I never heard of that. It's called

1195
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: trigger finger. You can look it up. But the attendance

1196
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: that operate in your fingers, there's a sheet that they

1197
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 1: operate in. And if you use your hands a lot

1198
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 1: in the day, then you go to sleep at night

1199
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: and your hands are kind of curled up like this

1200
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: you're sleeping, the sheath becomes inflamed and the tendon can't

1201
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: go through there anymore. So when you wake up in

1202
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: the morning, you can't hope in your hands. So so

1203
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: it's a it's a process to try to stay out

1204
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: of surgery. But finally I had surgery on both my hands. Anyway,

1205
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 1: I got got that done, and uh I had a

1206
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:17,919
Speaker 1: foot surgery. I'm just now starting to really be able

1207
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: to walk a lot. M Um. I had surgery October

1208
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: sixt on a growth that was in my foot. I

1209
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: was I just gotten through eld cutting in New Mexico

1210
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: and my foot started hurting me. And I didn't hurt it.

1211
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 1: I didn't twist it or do anything to it that

1212
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: I knew of. And then I left there and went

1213
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: to South Dakota and I was walking twenty miles a day,

1214
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: twenty miles the most one day, and but it's shot.

1215
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: The smallest day was twelve miles. We were hunting prairie

1216
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 1: chickens and sharp tailed grouse and uh man, my foot

1217
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 1: gave up the last day. So anyway, that's when we

1218
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 1: discovered what it was. It was a growth in my

1219
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 1: foot that had got and feel big. It had expanded

1220
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 1: my foot and they had to go to the top

1221
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 1: of my foot and cut it out. I had no

1222
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: I had no idea. I was in bed for three months.

1223
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: I was trying my best exercise in bed and had

1224
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,919
Speaker 1: had It was a mess. But anyway, hey, you asked

1225
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 1: me how I was doing. I'm doing awesome. All my all,

1226
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 1: my other my engine is good. I just had to

1227
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 1: get there. I had to get the rest of me

1228
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 1: put back together. I guess I pushed it hard every day. Well,

1229
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 1: now they put you back together. You're gonna get out

1230
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 1: for turkeys this year? At all I have, I've I've

1231
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 1: killed two um Mary and I. Mary and I went

1232
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 1: opening day, uh opening Monday of the week. I didn't

1233
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,719
Speaker 1: go Saturday or Sunday because my foot just didn't feel good.

1234
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 1: That was April and sixteenth. We went. I got a

1235
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 1: small place not far from here. Hadn't even been there

1236
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,879
Speaker 1: the year I stepped out of the truck turkey gobble.

1237
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 1: We walked three hundred yards. I thought I knew about

1238
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 1: where he was. Who did the gabble below us? Mary

1239
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,759
Speaker 1: didn't want to shoot him. She shot a lot of turkeys,

1240
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 1: but she sat down. I said, sit about that tree

1241
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: is right by the tree, right here. I sat right here.

1242
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 1: Twenty minutes later he was standing there at twenty yards.

1243
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, he got the beauty of turkey hunting. I

1244
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: was telling somebody the other day, every once in a while,

1245
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 1: they make you seem real smart, and then that I

1246
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: just feel lucky. I didn't feel smart. Yeah, I'll I'll

1247
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 1: mend that phrase to include the terms smart. Are in Montana. Yeah,

1248
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 1: I'm up here in Montana. Uh show the Bozeman Okay,

1249
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 1: so right north the world, in the Gallison River, right

1250
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 1: north of Yellowstone. I've been a lot of time in

1251
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: the Bozeman, in Bozeman area, living Stone, and yep, all

1252
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: over beautiful country up here, a beautiful country. We had

1253
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 1: we had sixty two degrees yesterday. Yeah, it's not what

1254
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 1: you tomorrow, and uh it's the way. It's the way

1255
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 1: it's coming together. We're gonna have. Uh they're predicting some

1256
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: overly serious winds and tornadoes. H So we're yeah, we're

1257
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 1: hoping to get through that tomorrow. Yeah. I tried to

1258
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 1: sneak out this morning because I had spent all this

1259
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 1: week scouting and found some birds on public land and

1260
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 1: thought i'd get out there. And I got out for

1261
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 1: about twenty minutes, and I couldn't say I couldn't see

1262
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 1: ten feet in front of my face. I thought, Uh,

1263
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 1: dumber things have been done than going home. So yeah,

1264
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 1: I've hunted him in North Dakota, uh, Montana, in the

1265
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 1: snow like that, and it could be a lot of fun.

1266
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 1: It can be. Yeah, I've shot a big, biggest turkey.

1267
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 1: I think I've ever shot uh in the snow in

1268
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 1: South Dakota. So yeah, it can be. But you gotta

1269
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 1: with the winds gust in the thirty miles an hour.

1270
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 1: Not so not so good, It's not so good at all. Um. Well,

1271
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:57,520
Speaker 1: I was just telling you man. You know, for me, Um,

1272
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: it's it's great to talk to you for a bunch

1273
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 1: of reasons. But but be you're a pioneer and all,

1274
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 1: like almost all the things I love to do. So

1275
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:08,839
Speaker 1: I got a lot of I got a lot of questions,

1276
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 1: but most of them pertain to what happened in the past. Yeah,

1277
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 1: a little bit, if you'll, if you allow me to, Um,

1278
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: I was just watching what you said was like the

1279
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: second video you guys put out. It's only your on

1280
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 1: the Premius dot com right now, you and Cuss Strickland

1281
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: hunting all over Mississippi, or at least the first couple

1282
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 1: of hunts there looked like they're in Mississippi, and it's

1283
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 1: just to me to see I was three years old

1284
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 1: at the time, or maybe two years old at the time,

1285
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 1: and to see you guys with with eighty pounds I

1286
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 1: don't know how many pounds of camera equipment logging, yeah,

1287
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:47,679
Speaker 1: with with tape decks and all this stuff still getting done,

1288
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 1: still getting good footage that would it would be good

1289
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 1: footage today. I think a lot of it. And um

1290
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: so I just just I'd love to hear some of

1291
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 1: like your memories from those times. It's because it's it's

1292
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: it was so new at that at that moment. Well,

1293
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:06,719
Speaker 1: I started promos in nineteen seventy six, and by saying

1294
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 1: that I never really started promos, I was making mouth

1295
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 1: eelpers and I started selling them to dealers, uh in

1296
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six. So you have to have a start date.

1297
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 1: So I guess that's my start date. Um. I was

1298
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 1: trying to hopefully one day have enough opportunity to have

1299
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: a real business, and it took a while. But a

1300
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of things in your life are

1301
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 1: based on when you were born, not only uh, the year,

1302
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:44,760
Speaker 1: the decade, the century, but also the month of the year.

1303
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 1: Um there's a book by a very famous author UM

1304
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 1: named Malcolm mcgladwell, and he wrote a book called The Outliers. Yeah,

1305
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 1: and it's an incredible book and I recommended to people

1306
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 1: to read because you'll learn things about not only history,

1307
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,679
Speaker 1: but about what might pertain to you in your life

1308
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 1: based on when you were born. That one of the

1309
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 1: most interesting things in the book was the fact that

1310
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 1: all great hockey players are born in January February March.

1311
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 1: How interesting was that? And then then he told the

1312
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 1: story about that because when you're eight years old and

1313
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 1: you were born, uh, six months behind somebody else was

1314
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 1: eight years old or nine months behind them, and you're

1315
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 1: in school together, that that that time frame gives them

1316
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 1: so much more maturity, sometimes physically most of the time physically,

1317
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,719
Speaker 1: but sometimes mentally, and it just allows for that person

1318
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 1: to excel so much more than what they do. Well.

1319
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:51,719
Speaker 1: When I was born in nineteen and then, I loved

1320
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 1: hunting fish. That's all I wanted to do as a kid.

1321
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 1: Um My, all my uncles, I was, they were all

1322
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 1: close in proximity and the all hunted ducks or deer

1323
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 1: and quail. And when of them had twelve bird dogs.

1324
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 1: My daddy, he's an depression child, and he was always

1325
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 1: worried about having enough money to pay the bills and

1326
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:14,560
Speaker 1: be able to take care of things. So he was

1327
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 1: extremely frugal, and he would go hunting and he'd take

1328
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 1: me hunting, he'd take me squirrel hunting, and he'd take

1329
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,639
Speaker 1: me up in small game hunting. But I just never

1330
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:24,680
Speaker 1: could get enough of it. And then as time went

1331
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 1: on and I started making those turkey calls, I would

1332
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:30,719
Speaker 1: made him for myself for a long time, and started

1333
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 1: setting them in nineteen seventy six. UM, so I would

1334
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 1: have been what twenty four years old at that time. Uh.

1335
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 1: And there were things that were available to me as

1336
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 1: a new entrepreneur that weren't available to other people. For instance, UH,

1337
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 1: the injection mole presses that that mold plastic parts. UH.

1338
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 1: The tooling that can be built to turn or make

1339
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 1: wooden parts. Uh. So we stole a lot of stole.

1340
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 1: I guess it's overused word, but we we borrowed from

1341
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 1: the medical industry, the automotive industry manufacturing techniques and that

1342
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 1: really um made our products special because they were UM

1343
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 1: uniquely made to make the sound and do what they

1344
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:21,280
Speaker 1: were supposed to do, and I could perfect that by

1345
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 1: using those technologies available uh to other industries. And then

1346
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 1: in nineteen three, I decided that I needed a way

1347
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 1: to further market not having very much money or any money,

1348
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 1: and market my products. I needed a way to to

1349
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 1: tell the story about the products. And I said, you

1350
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna go and I'm gonna find somebody

1351
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 1: who'll follow me around in the woods, and I'm gonna

1352
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 1: get them to get some really nice equipment, and I'm

1353
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 1: gonna have a record on audio cassette UH some hunts,

1354
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna go into a studio and I'm

1355
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:02,680
Speaker 1: gonna teach people how to use the different calls to

1356
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 1: make the different sounds. So that tape was released in

1357
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 1: three and it was an overwhelming success. People went crazy.

1358
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,799
Speaker 1: People would write me letters, and man, I got my

1359
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 1: my uh man cave and turned the lights down like

1360
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 1: the sun was coming up, and listen to the birds sing,

1361
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 1: and listen to you hoo like an ale. Listen to

1362
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 1: that turkey gobil and and then I could hear you

1363
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 1: shoot him and I give you run to him, and

1364
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 1: I hear the turkey flopping, and oh my gosh, and

1365
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 1: uh so that really paved the way. And then shortly thereafter,

1366
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 1: uh the technology to make a video camera and sell

1367
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 1: it at a a store to the consumer for I

1368
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 1: think it was low of twelve four hundred dollars, pretty

1369
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 1: expensive back then, but you could take a video camera

1370
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 1: and go out there and record a hunt. And uh so,

1371
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 1: I said, dead, gumm it, we're fixing to do that

1372
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 1: and try to do that anyway. We didn't know if

1373
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 1: we could do it or not, but I hired Ronnie Custrip.

1374
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 1: And Ronney was from Natchez, Mississippi, which is about two

1375
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 1: hours and out against fifteen minutes south of here on

1376
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:17,759
Speaker 1: the Mississippi River. It's a famous old town, incredible history

1377
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 1: in the town. At one time there were more millionaires

1378
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:25,640
Speaker 1: in Natchez, Mississippi than in any town in the United States,

1379
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:30,480
Speaker 1: all about cotton and pre Civil War. It's incredible Antebellum

1380
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 1: homes there just tell a lot of history around the

1381
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 1: slave trade and all that. Thank heavens, that's behind us now.

1382
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 1: But at any rate, Nashe's is quite an historical town

1383
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 1: that's worked because it's from and because called me and

1384
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 1: I didn't know who he was, he got my number somehow,

1385
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 1: and he said, Man, this tape you've done, it's absolutely incredible.

1386
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: Dott I went down there and sold that he was

1387
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 1: working at a sporting his store, and I sold him

1388
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 1: more calls to sell, even bought him from a distributor.

1389
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:03,719
Speaker 1: And one thing led to another, and I said, because

1390
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 1: we need to make a video and I'll hire you

1391
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:09,760
Speaker 1: and you can quit the retail business. And he goes,

1392
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 1: let me go and talk to my wife. And he

1393
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 1: had two little children at the time, and sure enough

1394
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 1: he did it, and I bought him a truck uh

1395
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 1: and he worked for that first year and a half

1396
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 1: and and we all got to be friends with Massioka.

1397
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 1: I had and originally endorsed massiok uh in six that

1398
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 1: year with kuz was night seven. And so anyway, one

1399
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 1: thing that another. Became real close friends with Toxi Hayes

1400
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 1: who founded Massio, Bill sug who was his chief operating officer,

1401
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 1: and then all the guys there. And I told him,

1402
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 1: I said, I can't keep up because it's like I

1403
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 1: can't I'm growing too much and I ain't got the money.

1404
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 1: So because went to work from MASSIOC and he's been

1405
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 1: there ever since. But he kept videoing for us and

1406
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 1: we kept working together and wandered to like, because he

1407
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 1: is he can he can he can share, tell a

1408
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 1: story and make you laugh, and he's he can show

1409
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 1: hunter Turkey. Yeah that that I like said, I just

1410
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 1: started watching that video and I just to hear some

1411
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:13,840
Speaker 1: of the some of the stuff you're doing in the

1412
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 1: morning with fly downs, and you know, these are all

1413
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 1: the things that just have become staples of every every

1414
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 1: dedicated Turkey Hunters game. Uh, it's just amazing to see it,

1415
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 1: you know, that many years ago and that it's all

1416
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:31,599
Speaker 1: all like that playbooks as has maintained through the years. Yeah,

1417
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 1: it's amazing. So after because uh, Jock Jones came on board,

1418
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 1: was a fantastic hunter and Ron Jolly did a fantastic

1419
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 1: job for years after that. Uh, there's just several people

1420
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 1: have been a part of leading the team. Brad Ferris, Uh,

1421
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 1: Kevin Meets um Uh different ones have been just an

1422
01:19:54,920 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 1: incredible part of Jeff Sherwood just incredible part of building

1423
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,799
Speaker 1: and the truth. And you know, for those people who

1424
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:07,639
Speaker 1: Turkey Hunt, if they've never read the Tenth Legion by

1425
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 1: Tom Kelly, please please people get the book and read it.

1426
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 1: Because it's about old Southern turkey hunting an old Southern gentleman,

1427
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 1: Tom Kelly, he still living, he's in his nineties. But

1428
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:24,759
Speaker 1: he named the book the Tenth Legion, and the reason

1429
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 1: for that is that the Roman Empire had a tenth Legion,

1430
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 1: and that legion became so great that when uh, all

1431
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 1: the original members the Tenth Legion were gone and dead

1432
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:39,640
Speaker 1: and gone and buried, the Tenth Legions stayed great just

1433
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 1: because of what it was and what it became. And

1434
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 1: that was what happened to the truth people. It was

1435
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:48,640
Speaker 1: so great that the series was so much fun. It

1436
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 1: taught us all so much because we learned a lot

1437
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:56,640
Speaker 1: watching ourselves too, and and it just became what it was.

1438
01:20:56,720 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 1: It's another tenth Legion, so to speak. Um, yeah, yeah,

1439
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 1: I've had I had a Colonel time on the podcast.

1440
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:06,440
Speaker 1: Last year. I went and visited with him in Bethesda

1441
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 1: where he's living. He's, uh, he's still got it, Will

1442
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 1: He's still got He's still got it. He still he's

1443
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 1: just about to finish his next book too. Yeah. Yeah, No,

1444
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 1: he's an amazing man. I talked to him recently a

1445
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 1: little bit, and and I hope to go visit him again,

1446
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 1: I hope you get him out in the woods. I

1447
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 1: think he he thinks he could still get out there

1448
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 1: and I know he can. Yeah, well, yeah, you need

1449
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 1: to make that happen. I will, I will. Um, what

1450
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 1: was the what was the Turkey culture like back in

1451
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:37,640
Speaker 1: the seventies, because I know you know that's when NWTF

1452
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 1: was in the Turkey restoration was happening in Earnest around

1453
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:43,599
Speaker 1: the country, and like, what are your memories of kind

1454
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 1: of the community the culture of turkey hunters as a

1455
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 1: as a kind of grew over time. That that's an

1456
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 1: interesting question being and and one that uh, I'm glad

1457
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 1: you you've asked. Um. There were there was a lot

1458
01:21:57,320 --> 01:22:00,679
Speaker 1: of people, um that were that hill turkey, very very

1459
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:05,639
Speaker 1: close to their chest fathers who turkey hunting definitely wanted

1460
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 1: to pass it on to their sons um or to

1461
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 1: someone close to them. That there were a lot of

1462
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 1: people they didn't want anybody turkey on. Uh, it was

1463
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 1: so precious to them. They felt like, um, that they

1464
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 1: were just gonna have too much competition in the woods

1465
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:26,639
Speaker 1: whe everybody started turkey on. I didn't feel that way.

1466
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 1: I felt like the more people that we could get

1467
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:32,679
Speaker 1: to enjoy the sport and go hunting. Uh the better

1468
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 1: it would be for for all of us in the

1469
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:39,560
Speaker 1: hunting community. Uh. So I promoted the heck out of it.

1470
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 1: But the southeast Mississippi, Atlabama and the Lusia bruting, oh

1471
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:50,799
Speaker 1: my gosh, there's some there's some old school turkey unders

1472
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 1: down there. So there's a couple of things about the

1473
01:22:54,200 --> 01:23:00,040
Speaker 1: old the old way. Um. The one time I was

1474
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 1: was up in Greenville, Mississippi, and I was peddling my goods,

1475
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 1: and I had that cassette tape. Well, I take that back,

1476
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 1: I didn't have the cassette tape yet. But I just

1477
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 1: killed the turkey with a little pocket recorder that I

1478
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 1: just sat down next to me and had pretty good

1479
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:15,720
Speaker 1: microphone on it. You could hear me yelp, and you

1480
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 1: could hear the turkey respond. And I I cut at

1481
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 1: this turkey and cackled at this turkey. Probably he cut

1482
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 1: at him three or four times and cackled at him

1483
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 1: three or four times. So I'm in this store and

1484
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 1: this old gentleman sitting there at this little area they

1485
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 1: had for people to sit, and I'm playing the recording

1486
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 1: to break the ice with a guy named Clyde McGee

1487
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:40,520
Speaker 1: who owned the store sports and the Sportsman in Greenville.

1488
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 1: And you hear me calling, you hear the turkey goblin,

1489
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 1: You hear me. Shoot, it was a really big turkey,

1490
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 1: real long spurs, twelve inch beard and uh so it was.

1491
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun for me to share that.

1492
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 1: And you know, and the old man got them. Old

1493
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 1: man said, boy, you call it too much, and you

1494
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 1: call to loud. And I just looked at him and

1495
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:07,680
Speaker 1: I said, well, sir, that turkey is mighty dead. And

1496
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 1: he did come. Well, you know, you wonder and I

1497
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 1: often wondered, why do these old old timers that that

1498
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 1: were hunting in the you know, did the teams and

1499
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 1: twenties and thirty forties, fifties, sixties, why did they preach,

1500
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 1: yelled three times and shut up because the cause you

1501
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,599
Speaker 1: had to use and your understanding of a turkey's language.

1502
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 1: I mean back then, if you were had a good

1503
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 1: ear and a good memory for your for your ear,

1504
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 1: and you heard a turkey yell for cackle in the wood,

1505
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:42,720
Speaker 1: you were that lucky. Then you remembered that, then you

1506
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 1: knew you could do it. But here we were in

1507
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 1: our world that we live in. Remember the outliers and

1508
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 1: we're recording stuff I can't play. We recorded a hand

1509
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 1: cutting the other day and I can play that back

1510
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:57,120
Speaker 1: again again, again again and really understand her rhythm and

1511
01:24:57,160 --> 01:25:00,080
Speaker 1: her intensity. And a turkey started. God at that he

1512
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 1: and the other day we killed the turkey. So back

1513
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 1: then you didn't have that great at college. Well take

1514
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 1: the story a little further. A lady gave me a

1515
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 1: call one time. I was born and raised into the

1516
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:14,800
Speaker 1: restaurant business, and she was a customer. She gave me

1517
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:17,840
Speaker 1: a call one time. She handed me that call and

1518
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 1: I said, oh, miss Lotty, you don't want to give

1519
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 1: me that call. It was the first original eighteen nine

1520
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 1: seven patented Gibson box call in mint condition, and I

1521
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:31,920
Speaker 1: and she said, no, I want you to have. And

1522
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 1: she was getting close to ninety and it was her

1523
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:36,600
Speaker 1: daddy's call, and he she want me to have. So

1524
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:38,799
Speaker 1: all these years I've kept in the shutter box in office.

1525
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 1: And about three years ago, I said, you know what

1526
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 1: I want. Something happened to this call. I want to

1527
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:47,000
Speaker 1: honor his lot I called in BT up and I said,

1528
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I'm gonna give y'all. I'm gonna

1529
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 1: give the museum this call if y'all want it. But

1530
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 1: I want to create a program around the call to

1531
01:25:57,439 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 1: raise money for the n w TF. So we created

1532
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 1: six I think it was twenty for every chapter of

1533
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:06,839
Speaker 1: the n WTF the United States and made an old

1534
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:12,759
Speaker 1: exact replica black rubber ink, black ink stamp, the rubber

1535
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 1: pad on top. The call is made exactly like it was.

1536
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 1: So we've learned a lot since in our calls are

1537
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 1: a lot better than this call. But we even used

1538
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 1: the original screw from England. We resourced that screw and

1539
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 1: they still made it in England, and we got that screwed.

1540
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:29,759
Speaker 1: There's no spring under the lid. Well. I then said, okay,

1541
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 1: to promote this deal for everything, I'm gonna take it, honey.

1542
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:35,120
Speaker 1: So me and Brad Ferris went to the woods and

1543
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:37,559
Speaker 1: took the old box call and yelped up the turkey

1544
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:39,640
Speaker 1: and killed it. And I'm gonna tell you something. The

1545
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 1: reason the old timers tell you to yelp three times

1546
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 1: and shut up, because if you can get three good

1547
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 1: yelpside of that box call, you better shut up, because

1548
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:53,759
Speaker 1: then the hid the rid, the lid floated and didn't

1549
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 1: do quite right without a spring under, and you had

1550
01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:58,719
Speaker 1: to really know what you were doing and really practiced

1551
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 1: at it to get it right. And so they didn't

1552
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:03,040
Speaker 1: have the good mouth calls that we have today, and

1553
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 1: they didn't have the recordings to study and the contest

1554
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 1: that drives everybody to get better and better and better.

1555
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 1: So back then, yep, as little as you could. And

1556
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 1: here's another thing about the old days. You've seen people

1557
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:18,720
Speaker 1: shooting turkey, and old timers say, you don't even get

1558
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:20,640
Speaker 1: on him, and you just run that turkey and get

1559
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 1: your get your head, foot on his head, and you

1560
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 1: put the inch st up of your boot right, don't

1561
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 1: I don't head it, let him flop. And the reason

1562
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:30,799
Speaker 1: for that he is is because in the old days

1563
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 1: people were shooting the best load that they could, usually

1564
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 1: a pump shotgun with a hammer on it over I

1565
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 1: think it was ninety seven Winchester, and they were shooting

1566
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:45,799
Speaker 1: two and a half big shells and they were shooting

1567
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:47,799
Speaker 1: seven and a half, trying to get as many babies

1568
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 1: as they could. And a lot of times they just

1569
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:51,800
Speaker 1: knocked at turkey down or knock him out and need

1570
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 1: to get it run off, so you better get your

1571
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:58,639
Speaker 1: foot on his head. Today's we're old with tss you're

1572
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 1: about to take their heads off. Yeah, that's right. And

1573
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:06,800
Speaker 1: it's it's funny how those things that we've been talking

1574
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:09,840
Speaker 1: about this and other conversations too, how things this kind

1575
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:13,640
Speaker 1: of stick for generations. And it is iconic for a

1576
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:16,640
Speaker 1: turkey hunter to pull the trigger and go run and

1577
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 1: grab get that boot on that neck, or grab that

1578
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:22,439
Speaker 1: neck and stop that stop that turkey from flopping. And

1579
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 1: and I wonder you feel like that is that's where

1580
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 1: it came from. But why did it stick around for

1581
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 1: so long? You know? It just it's just the motion

1582
01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 1: that we all do because we used to teach it.

1583
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 1: If you want, if you watch the Truth one you

1584
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 1: were just talking about that you've got on streaming on

1585
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 1: promoting the website. I guess we run into those turkeys,

1586
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 1: we shoot him and we run to him. Did I

1587
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 1: lose you? You got me still? I'm got you perfect. Well.

1588
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 1: As as time goes on, you know, like I said,

1589
01:28:57,360 --> 01:29:01,360
Speaker 1: they're there, there becomes more turkeys, you know. With the

1590
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 1: I got to actually walk in the uh the museum

1591
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:06,559
Speaker 1: down there at the n w t F with Dr

1592
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 1: James Earl Canama last year and go through all the

1593
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:12,680
Speaker 1: stories of the direct restoration of the Wild Turkey and

1594
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:16,519
Speaker 1: all the crazy stories he's got about releasing them, transplant them,

1595
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 1: and all the all the work that they did. And

1596
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 1: over time, you know, things start to change. Did you

1597
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:23,920
Speaker 1: ever remember a time where you just thought, man, there's

1598
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:27,800
Speaker 1: this this Turkey thing is taken off. There's more opportunity,

1599
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:33,639
Speaker 1: there's more excitement, there's more a larger community. Yes, we did.

1600
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 1: We sold many years close to a million DVDs of

1601
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:43,000
Speaker 1: our Turkey release. That's pretty gig. I'm incredible. And he's

1602
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 1: talking about James Earl Kinnerman. His wife is Mary Kinnerman,

1603
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:51,559
Speaker 1: and she was from Jackson, Mississippi, right this main big

1604
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:53,840
Speaker 1: town writing where I live. And she was a customer

1605
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:57,879
Speaker 1: and her daddy was Jim and uh. They were customers

1606
01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 1: in our restaurants and I waited on them and James

1607
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:04,519
Speaker 1: Earl and Mary and I had dinner in the nineteen

1608
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 1: seventy seven at my restaurant. They were in town for

1609
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 1: an n w TF conventioned and let me tell you

1610
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 1: what he's been there and done that. He is a

1611
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:16,639
Speaker 1: wealth of knowledge. He speaks from science, he speaks from

1612
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 1: understanding and knowing it. And he had he has been

1613
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 1: such a major part of the n W t of God.

1614
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 1: Thank you for James Earle and his gift to all

1615
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 1: us turkey hunters, because we have been able to spread

1616
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:32,400
Speaker 1: the turkeys in the United States, put them back in

1617
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 1: the habitat that they that they lost. You know, a

1618
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 1: lot of people don't understand why the turkeys went downhill

1619
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 1: so bad. The main reason they went downhill so bad

1620
01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:45,439
Speaker 1: in the Southeast, especially with the ninth in during World

1621
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 1: War Two, whoever stayed home, they had to put food

1622
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 1: on the table. And that the country was rural back then,

1623
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 1: and they would dig a small little trough and they'd

1624
01:30:56,040 --> 01:30:58,519
Speaker 1: get it one into the trough and build the blind

1625
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 1: and they filled that trough up with corn. And when

1626
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:03,599
Speaker 1: that flock of turkeys came to feed out of that trough,

1627
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:05,439
Speaker 1: they rake that load right down in the middle of

1628
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 1: you know, many of them turkeys as they could and

1629
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:10,640
Speaker 1: called they were trying to put food on the staple um.

1630
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:12,840
Speaker 1: Those times changed and we learned, and a lot of

1631
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:15,040
Speaker 1: a lot of states began to develop their own game

1632
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:18,559
Speaker 1: and fish departments and uh and have laws, and thank

1633
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:22,880
Speaker 1: Evans that they did. Uh Man, I love turkey, and

1634
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 1: I love it everywhere, and I've hunted some really difficult Miriams,

1635
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 1: and some difficult rio's uh and sosios. But the Eastern

1636
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:36,479
Speaker 1: in Alabama and Mississippi, in parts of Louisiana and parts

1637
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 1: of Arkansas, oh my gosh, they can be bad, the

1638
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:42,760
Speaker 1: tough and oh the toughest turkeys that ever lived right there, man,

1639
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:46,080
Speaker 1: I love it, though, I love it. We're talking about

1640
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 1: the other day. Uh, you know, what's your what's your

1641
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 1: favorite state and subspecies to hunt? And I compared. I said, Look,

1642
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 1: the Louisiana swamp gobbler or the Southern swamp gobbler is

1643
01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 1: the toughest to hunt, I believe without a out man.

1644
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:03,400
Speaker 1: And then you can go to the easiest. I've experiences

1645
01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:08,679
Speaker 1: like the planes Miriams in South Dakota. I mean, they

1646
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 1: can be easy. They can be every turkey, that's what

1647
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:13,840
Speaker 1: you're saying earlier. Every turkey can be. Every turkey could

1648
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:16,519
Speaker 1: be in a mood. But I've had more experiences where

1649
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:18,040
Speaker 1: I felt like I could hold up a feather and

1650
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:21,400
Speaker 1: make any squawk and and these merriams are gonna come run.

1651
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:24,280
Speaker 1: And I've had more encounter sitting up against a cypress

1652
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:26,679
Speaker 1: tree or something trying to call one of these these

1653
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:29,080
Speaker 1: damn gobblers you've been hunting your whole life and have

1654
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:31,839
Speaker 1: them go nuts on the roost and pitch down in silence.

1655
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 1: So it is you're right about that. I've I've had that,

1656
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:37,920
Speaker 1: had that experience. Well, the great turkey hunts are when

1657
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:41,479
Speaker 1: you make contact with one and he wants to come

1658
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:45,280
Speaker 1: to you. He wants you to come to him. Uh.

1659
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 1: And so you learn to max to to to really

1660
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 1: understand your instrument, be the slight mouth call, a box call,

1661
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:55,360
Speaker 1: whatever it is you're using, and you're talking to that

1662
01:32:55,439 --> 01:32:59,519
Speaker 1: turkey and you're getting him the answering he's getting. He's

1663
01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:04,080
Speaker 1: getting so interesting. And he comes to where you hear

1664
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:07,759
Speaker 1: that rattling in the inside of his chest. Uh. Depending

1665
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 1: on the terrain, that could be anywhere from fifty yards

1666
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:15,080
Speaker 1: to a hundred yards when you first hear it. But

1667
01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:20,880
Speaker 1: that turkey has got a periscope, not unlike a periscope

1668
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:25,719
Speaker 1: on a submarine. And when he is approaching and coming

1669
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:28,960
Speaker 1: to you, he wants to see you. He doesn't think

1670
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 1: there's a human imitating the turkey. He thinks, Oh, every

1671
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:36,680
Speaker 1: predator in the woods, every human predator, every coon, every bobkat,

1672
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:40,599
Speaker 1: every cowt knows I'm over here, Goblin and know she's yelping,

1673
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:42,800
Speaker 1: and they're coming in and sneaking in, and I don't

1674
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 1: want to get in trouble. So he wants to see

1675
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:50,280
Speaker 1: that hen first, so he knows exactly what he's dealing with.

1676
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:54,559
Speaker 1: Gobbler and Hen just to hend whatever. And he's sticking

1677
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:57,680
Speaker 1: that head up. And so most people bad. And I

1678
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:02,040
Speaker 1: most people move their head. A lot of people learn

1679
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 1: to move their hand by picking it up to their

1680
01:34:04,479 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 1: mouth when they call. I'm gonna tell you what if

1681
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:17,120
Speaker 1: you do that, he gonna see it and he ain't coming. Yeah, yeah,

1682
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:21,400
Speaker 1: I feel it. Do you feel like you know when

1683
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 1: you're your turkey hunting and we can talk about the

1684
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,640
Speaker 1: million things that are kind of the keys to success?

1685
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 1: Is it understanding the conversation? Is that the top thing

1686
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 1: you you have to get right? Um, No, it's part

1687
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:42,920
Speaker 1: of it. The top thing you gotta get right is

1688
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:47,160
Speaker 1: where to sit down. The second thing you gotta get

1689
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:55,240
Speaker 1: right is do not move. Um. If I know I'm

1690
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 1: gonna if I've got the opportunity and i know I'm

1691
01:34:57,080 --> 01:34:59,400
Speaker 1: gonna be sitting there very long, I'm gonna cut a

1692
01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:02,200
Speaker 1: few little bush tops or whatever and placed right there

1693
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:06,520
Speaker 1: in front of just something to break me out. Um.

1694
01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:10,439
Speaker 1: Jordan lissit Uh, one of the producers for the company,

1695
01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:13,679
Speaker 1: was running to camera the other day, and we got

1696
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:16,200
Speaker 1: on these turkeys. And as soon as it got light

1697
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:18,440
Speaker 1: enough to see, because we've never been to this exact

1698
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:21,960
Speaker 1: spot before, on this place, we could see this ridge

1699
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:25,160
Speaker 1: star left and we went. Both of us went freud.

1700
01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:26,680
Speaker 1: I wish we knew that was there, we would have

1701
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 1: gotten onn that ridge. So the turkey is sure enough

1702
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 1: flew down on that ridge, and finally after about an

1703
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:38,880
Speaker 1: hour there were two of them. One of them broke

1704
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:42,720
Speaker 1: quit strutting and walked off that ridge and came into

1705
01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:45,519
Speaker 1: the open bottom where we were. And when he got

1706
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:50,720
Speaker 1: to fifty yards fifty five yard whatever it was, he

1707
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:53,000
Speaker 1: could see two big old not he had sitting up

1708
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:55,160
Speaker 1: to get that big old red oak, and he turned

1709
01:35:55,160 --> 01:35:58,200
Speaker 1: around and walked off. He gobbled, but he just saw

1710
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:02,000
Speaker 1: something that he didn't know that was supposed to be there.

1711
01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:04,120
Speaker 1: We just we didn't have anything to break us up.

1712
01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 1: We didn't have any decoys out or anything like that.

1713
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:08,679
Speaker 1: And I could have shot him with a twelve gage,

1714
01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 1: but I hunt with the twenty gauge, so I didn't shoot,

1715
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:14,320
Speaker 1: we got him, like we got me in Troy. We

1716
01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:17,720
Speaker 1: went back a week later and got him. We think

1717
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 1: it's the same turkey. Yeah, I've I've experienced that a

1718
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:25,040
Speaker 1: ton in my in my years turkey hunting. That if

1719
01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:26,880
Speaker 1: if you're in the right spot, if you're where he

1720
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 1: wants to be, you're set up. And do you feel

1721
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:32,720
Speaker 1: like at that point it's yours to mess up? Or

1722
01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:34,720
Speaker 1: there are other things that that hunters can do to

1723
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 1: kind of their game. Well, one of the things you

1724
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 1: can do to tighten up your game depending on the terrain.

1725
01:36:42,040 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 1: The terrain in different parts of the country dictates what

1726
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:48,000
Speaker 1: a turkey is gonna what his behavior is, and what

1727
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:50,640
Speaker 1: he's gonna act like. Uh, if you hunt him in

1728
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 1: a hundred on the Oglalasup Reservation and South Dakota and

1729
01:36:55,640 --> 01:36:58,599
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, they have very few trees and when

1730
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:01,280
Speaker 1: they get out there in the open, you don't have

1731
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:04,840
Speaker 1: a hunter. They come back in the afternoon. You better

1732
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:11,360
Speaker 1: you better understand that or you're not gonna come home successful. Um,

1733
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:15,040
Speaker 1: but a lot of people don't. They go straight to

1734
01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:17,599
Speaker 1: a turkey, especially in the morning early, they get too

1735
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:19,840
Speaker 1: close to a turkey, they try to give it a

1736
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:22,040
Speaker 1: hundred yards of his tree, and then they start yelping

1737
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:23,680
Speaker 1: at the turkey, or they yelped to him, and the

1738
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 1: turkey is up in the tree looking down, going, well, honey,

1739
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:28,400
Speaker 1: if you're already on the ground, and you're already down there,

1740
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:30,160
Speaker 1: why don't you walk under my tree? And I fly

1741
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:34,479
Speaker 1: down to you. And they don't understand why, And the

1742
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:39,000
Speaker 1: turkey flies the other way and gobbles as he walks off.

1743
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:41,040
Speaker 1: He ain't gonna come to him, which is the way

1744
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:44,679
Speaker 1: it's supposed to. Uh, then he ain't. He ain't interested.

1745
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:48,960
Speaker 1: So if you back off two to fifty, you're just

1746
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:52,080
Speaker 1: far enough away that that gobbler has to hunt you.

1747
01:37:52,160 --> 01:37:54,720
Speaker 1: He said that gumming, he's not I'm gonna I'm gonna

1748
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 1: go awhere and show her at pretty games. A lot

1749
01:37:56,520 --> 01:38:00,439
Speaker 1: of times that can turn it around. But if a

1750
01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:07,599
Speaker 1: turkey gobbles and he is above you, you're you're more

1751
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:10,720
Speaker 1: than likely not gonna be able to call him to you.

1752
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:13,960
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to get equal or above him. And

1753
01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:19,040
Speaker 1: why is that, Well, it's just it's just instinct. It's

1754
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:21,360
Speaker 1: just that, it's just it's just what the turkey is

1755
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:24,360
Speaker 1: born with. He's making a living every day, his living

1756
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:28,360
Speaker 1: every day is staying alive, and his eyes and his

1757
01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:32,000
Speaker 1: ears and his knowledge of the terrain keeps him that way.

1758
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:35,519
Speaker 1: So when he's coming down the hill and he's gobbling

1759
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 1: or turkeys, you're open to him and he's coming. Once again,

1760
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:41,320
Speaker 1: we go back to that scenario. Every predator in the

1761
01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:44,240
Speaker 1: world knows that if he runs into danger coming downhill,

1762
01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:45,920
Speaker 1: he's got to turn in and try to run up hill.

1763
01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:51,360
Speaker 1: If he's going uphill, and I'm talking about when he's

1764
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:55,240
Speaker 1: going to a calling turkey or somebody who's imitating a turkey.

1765
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:57,479
Speaker 1: They go up and down hills all the time. But

1766
01:38:57,560 --> 01:39:01,280
Speaker 1: in a hunting situation, yeah, you're above that turkey and

1767
01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:04,000
Speaker 1: he's coming uphill and he sees danger, all you've gotta

1768
01:39:04,040 --> 01:39:07,360
Speaker 1: do is turn and squat and push off with them

1769
01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:11,680
Speaker 1: monstrous drumsticks he's got just like a catapult on a

1770
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:18,280
Speaker 1: Navy Air Force carrier, and he's gone. He's gone in middleseconds.

1771
01:39:19,120 --> 01:39:23,200
Speaker 1: And so learned to get even with him or above him.

1772
01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:26,519
Speaker 1: Now that's it's the opposite for l a bull hill.

1773
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:29,400
Speaker 1: He wants to come from above because he's got the

1774
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:32,160
Speaker 1: advantage and he knows it. And bull help you. Usually

1775
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:33,880
Speaker 1: it won't come from you from above, if he'll circle

1776
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:36,519
Speaker 1: around and get even with you, or he'll circle around

1777
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:40,880
Speaker 1: and get slightly below you. Uh, he wants to see that.

1778
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:43,840
Speaker 1: He wants to see that other way. He doesn't like

1779
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 1: to come from below. He likes to come from above

1780
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:49,519
Speaker 1: because he's got the advantage. Yeah, that's like a lot

1781
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:51,360
Speaker 1: of a lot of hunters out here in the West,

1782
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:53,760
Speaker 1: like in the Western States that are starting to get

1783
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:56,280
Speaker 1: into turkeys more and more. I find that's the first

1784
01:39:56,280 --> 01:39:58,080
Speaker 1: thing I've always always tell you, if you gotta be

1785
01:39:58,080 --> 01:39:59,840
Speaker 1: above him, if you can't get above, do any worry

1786
01:39:59,840 --> 01:40:02,600
Speaker 1: abou Just just find out where he wants to be

1787
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:05,000
Speaker 1: and get there, But don't be aggressive if you can't

1788
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:08,000
Speaker 1: get there. So it's it's awesome too to hear you

1789
01:40:08,040 --> 01:40:09,880
Speaker 1: say that. Are they you know? In terms of just

1790
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:12,800
Speaker 1: staying on the topic of of where you want to

1791
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:15,120
Speaker 1: set up or how you want to approach a set up,

1792
01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:18,040
Speaker 1: Is there any other golden rules just to where you

1793
01:40:18,040 --> 01:40:22,400
Speaker 1: put your butt um. Sometimes you get close enough to

1794
01:40:22,439 --> 01:40:24,800
Speaker 1: the crest of a ridge so when he sticks his

1795
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:27,920
Speaker 1: head up. The problem is if you if you've got

1796
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:31,960
Speaker 1: rules where you've got to be a bearded a mature gobbler.

1797
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:34,640
Speaker 1: He sticks that big old periscope up, you might be

1798
01:40:34,680 --> 01:40:38,480
Speaker 1: able to shoot him, but you can't see his beard. Um,

1799
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:42,200
Speaker 1: So you want to be able to make him hunt you.

1800
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:44,960
Speaker 1: He's hunting you, and you want to give him the

1801
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:47,960
Speaker 1: opportunity to make an approach that you can see him

1802
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:51,040
Speaker 1: before he sees you. So if you got a buddy

1803
01:40:51,040 --> 01:40:53,160
Speaker 1: and you will let your buddy back up a little bit,

1804
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:55,360
Speaker 1: that gobbler's gonna think you a little bit further away,

1805
01:40:55,479 --> 01:40:59,240
Speaker 1: he may close the distance if you do that. Um,

1806
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:02,479
Speaker 1: that's fun to try to do, but I suggest only

1807
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:05,800
Speaker 1: one person has a loaded gun because one thing you

1808
01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:07,840
Speaker 1: though that next thing, you know, your buddies moved and

1809
01:41:07,880 --> 01:41:11,240
Speaker 1: you didn't know it, and somebody gets too aggressive and

1810
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:14,160
Speaker 1: they see him movement and you're gonna end up accident,

1811
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:17,400
Speaker 1: hunting accident, and you gotta you gotta keep that in mind.

1812
01:41:18,200 --> 01:41:20,000
Speaker 1: You Know. One of the things I've been thinking about

1813
01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:24,000
Speaker 1: lately is is how to approach a roost at turkey. Now,

1814
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:26,479
Speaker 1: there's a lot of scenarios right where you can, like

1815
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:29,080
Speaker 1: you said, you can back off and kind of, you know,

1816
01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:32,360
Speaker 1: make sure he understands that that something's there and you

1817
01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:34,120
Speaker 1: understand where he is, and when he hits the ground,

1818
01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:37,280
Speaker 1: you can make and you can start the conversation, what

1819
01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:39,800
Speaker 1: what's your philosophy? Four? Hunting off the roost? I I

1820
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:42,639
Speaker 1: found less success hunting birds off the roost and more

1821
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:45,599
Speaker 1: success for per laying back, getting where I think they

1822
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:47,559
Speaker 1: want to go, letting them fly down, and then letting

1823
01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:53,520
Speaker 1: them come to me. But wondering what what's your roost philosophy? Well, UM,

1824
01:41:53,560 --> 01:41:57,559
Speaker 1: as a guy named Mark Yarboro from Greenville, Mississippi, and

1825
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:00,960
Speaker 1: he said something one time we were hunting with him,

1826
01:42:01,160 --> 01:42:06,400
Speaker 1: and thirty years ago he said, roosted ain't roasted. And

1827
01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:13,920
Speaker 1: how true that is? Roasted ain't necessarily roasted. Down the South,

1828
01:42:14,120 --> 01:42:20,320
Speaker 1: we've got fantastic slews and swamps with water. Turkey likes

1829
01:42:20,360 --> 01:42:22,760
Speaker 1: to roost over water, and a lot of times he

1830
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:25,160
Speaker 1: slews are very wide. It may be a mile wide.

1831
01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:28,000
Speaker 1: So if a turkey flies from one side and goes

1832
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:31,080
Speaker 1: to roost out in that open water, if you get

1833
01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:33,759
Speaker 1: within a hundred fifty yards of the edge of that slew,

1834
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:36,960
Speaker 1: the chances then flying that on your side are are

1835
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:42,560
Speaker 1: really really good. Uh So you've got the water to

1836
01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:46,479
Speaker 1: trying to help you. Um, if you're in open woods

1837
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:51,759
Speaker 1: or ridges, which is more cases than not. Uh. Once again,

1838
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:54,080
Speaker 1: I think most people try to get too close and

1839
01:42:54,120 --> 01:42:58,320
Speaker 1: they talked to the turkey before he flies down. Um,

1840
01:42:58,360 --> 01:43:02,439
Speaker 1: I use a wing on when I'm close to a turkey,

1841
01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:04,559
Speaker 1: like within a hundred and fifty two and fifty yards,

1842
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:07,360
Speaker 1: I use a wing uh hene wing that I keep

1843
01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:09,800
Speaker 1: in the back of my vest to make the sound

1844
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:13,439
Speaker 1: of a hen landing on the ground. She jumps off

1845
01:43:13,439 --> 01:43:15,720
Speaker 1: the limbs, she sails and to break her fall right

1846
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:19,360
Speaker 1: before she gets the ground, she and lands and then

1847
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:23,240
Speaker 1: hers and clucks. Uh. If I hear the God will

1848
01:43:23,320 --> 01:43:25,960
Speaker 1: lead the limb and I hear it wings, I'm gonna.

1849
01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:30,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna calcule it. And there is no better cackle

1850
01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:33,400
Speaker 1: than somebody who's got a fantastic ear and he knows

1851
01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:36,599
Speaker 1: how to use a mouth call, or somebody who knows

1852
01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:39,559
Speaker 1: how to use a boxs call the Tall the Tall

1853
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:42,720
Speaker 1: Timber Gabriel. That uh that we put out there was

1854
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:44,880
Speaker 1: a call that I've had personally from my own use

1855
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:48,360
Speaker 1: for years, and we put it out two years ago. Uh.

1856
01:43:48,439 --> 01:43:51,120
Speaker 1: It's got a special thumb grew that allows you to

1857
01:43:51,240 --> 01:43:54,519
Speaker 1: use the thumb against the lid like a spring and

1858
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:58,960
Speaker 1: you can pop looks like a turkey. Yeah, and it it.

1859
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:02,360
Speaker 1: I'm tell you what, Once that turkey is convinced you're

1860
01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:05,920
Speaker 1: the real thing, it should do us. Hell, just don't ruve. Yeah,

1861
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:08,839
Speaker 1: then he stopped the high ground on you for sure. Then, Uh,

1862
01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:11,360
Speaker 1: could you just briefly explain because I'd like to go

1863
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:13,320
Speaker 1: over a lot of the a lot of folks that

1864
01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:15,880
Speaker 1: are listening to this or are brand new to hunt

1865
01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:17,680
Speaker 1: and a lot of them are, you know, in their

1866
01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:19,920
Speaker 1: twenties and thirties and and getting into this news. So

1867
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:21,760
Speaker 1: I'd like to make sure I don't go we don't

1868
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:24,040
Speaker 1: get too deep. Um, and a lot of this, could

1869
01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:26,240
Speaker 1: you just briefly explain to fly down cackle kind of

1870
01:44:26,280 --> 01:44:29,160
Speaker 1: what what it is? It's it's it's I think it's obvious,

1871
01:44:29,240 --> 01:44:31,760
Speaker 1: but it's worth explaining. Yeah, but it is a it

1872
01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:36,960
Speaker 1: is a a cadence. There is a cadence to it. Um.

1873
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:43,240
Speaker 1: So the two most excited turkey sounds are cutting and cackling.

1874
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:47,559
Speaker 1: A cat a cackle A hen Godler can do it

1875
01:44:47,640 --> 01:44:49,960
Speaker 1: any time the day, on the ground, walking around anytime.

1876
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:53,559
Speaker 1: She she does it more times than not when she

1877
01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:57,519
Speaker 1: flies up into a treat to roost. Or down from

1878
01:44:57,560 --> 01:45:02,960
Speaker 1: a roost site. UM, and and the and the the rhythm.

1879
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:05,880
Speaker 1: It has a rhythm, so it's it starts out with

1880
01:45:06,439 --> 01:45:13,559
Speaker 1: some clocks like kick OKAYI kickick and trails off. It

1881
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:18,640
Speaker 1: can be real short, it can be a little longer sometimes. Uh.

1882
01:45:18,840 --> 01:45:23,240
Speaker 1: It's definitely a hunting call, and it's definitely an exciting call.

1883
01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:26,640
Speaker 1: And it can definitely be a great turkey locator. But

1884
01:45:26,720 --> 01:45:28,760
Speaker 1: if you use it to locate a turkey, you better

1885
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:30,840
Speaker 1: have already picked your spot to sit down or be

1886
01:45:30,880 --> 01:45:34,600
Speaker 1: sitting down because he could be close. Yeah, exactly. And

1887
01:45:35,200 --> 01:45:38,040
Speaker 1: that's the thing about you know, using you know, fly

1888
01:45:38,160 --> 01:45:40,679
Speaker 1: down and and knowing that when he hits the ground,

1889
01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:42,640
Speaker 1: he's coming to you. So you better not. We'll be

1890
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:45,720
Speaker 1: ready all these new turkey enter out there. I want

1891
01:45:45,720 --> 01:45:49,080
Speaker 1: to give I want to give one tip, uh that

1892
01:45:49,320 --> 01:45:55,639
Speaker 1: I want everybody to pay very close attention to. Um.

1893
01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:59,920
Speaker 1: There are a lot of ticks with the warmer weather

1894
01:46:00,120 --> 01:46:01,640
Speaker 1: and a lot of parts of the United States, and

1895
01:46:01,640 --> 01:46:03,519
Speaker 1: ticks aren't dining off like the or There's a lot

1896
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:07,519
Speaker 1: of ticks out there of different types, and the ticks

1897
01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:12,080
Speaker 1: are carrying diseases this day in time that we don't

1898
01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:14,680
Speaker 1: want lyme disease being one of them. A lot of

1899
01:46:14,720 --> 01:46:20,080
Speaker 1: states did not recognize LINE, but Duck's migrate, birds migrate.

1900
01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:23,120
Speaker 1: I know of several people in Mississippi that have been

1901
01:46:23,160 --> 01:46:26,679
Speaker 1: diagnosed with LINE. There's only one lab in the United

1902
01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:29,920
Speaker 1: States that I know of that can properly diagnose LINE,

1903
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:33,760
Speaker 1: and that lab is in California. And then there's a

1904
01:46:33,800 --> 01:46:36,800
Speaker 1: tick that you can look at it. You can just

1905
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:45,200
Speaker 1: google uh tick red meat disease alpha syndrome exactly. And

1906
01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:47,840
Speaker 1: if that tick bites you, you're never gonna be able

1907
01:46:47,880 --> 01:46:51,400
Speaker 1: to eat red meat again. People can go into what's that,

1908
01:46:51,439 --> 01:46:57,519
Speaker 1: what's you said? Antiphileptic shock and you can absolutely die

1909
01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:01,599
Speaker 1: from it. So the number one to keep ticks off

1910
01:47:01,680 --> 01:47:06,080
Speaker 1: of you is per mething pe m e R th

1911
01:47:06,320 --> 01:47:09,520
Speaker 1: h r I N and it is a insect repellent

1912
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:12,960
Speaker 1: that you spray on your clothes, on your tent, on

1913
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:15,240
Speaker 1: your on your on your chair, you might be sitting

1914
01:47:15,280 --> 01:47:18,760
Speaker 1: outside your tent, let it dry. And then I don't

1915
01:47:18,760 --> 01:47:20,719
Speaker 1: wash my clothes the whole turkey season, and I treat

1916
01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:22,880
Speaker 1: them very well before turke season. I might touch them

1917
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:25,800
Speaker 1: up once or twice during the season, but you're good

1918
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:27,400
Speaker 1: to go for the rest of the season. And I

1919
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:31,080
Speaker 1: used deep at least a twenty deep product like Cutters

1920
01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:33,600
Speaker 1: or all or something like that. And I sprayed my

1921
01:47:33,960 --> 01:47:36,559
Speaker 1: top of my boots and around my waist and my

1922
01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:40,840
Speaker 1: mask and my gloves for for sugars and even for

1923
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:43,920
Speaker 1: me to keep sugars off. But I just caution the

1924
01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:47,519
Speaker 1: new turkey hunter, protect yourself from being bitten by tick.

1925
01:47:48,120 --> 01:47:50,200
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful time of the year to be outside,

1926
01:47:50,200 --> 01:47:54,040
Speaker 1: but boy, there there's some danger danger there. I you know,

1927
01:47:54,160 --> 01:47:56,320
Speaker 1: living in Texas for the last couple of years here

1928
01:47:56,320 --> 01:47:58,840
Speaker 1: when I was working at Eddie, it's a dangerous time

1929
01:47:58,880 --> 01:48:00,600
Speaker 1: to be outside. I mean, if you're if it's not

1930
01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:03,880
Speaker 1: a rattlesnake, it's a lone star tick that's gonna crawl

1931
01:48:03,880 --> 01:48:06,400
Speaker 1: on you and bite you and inject you with the protein.

1932
01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:08,559
Speaker 1: It's gonna make you allergy to red meat and the

1933
01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:16,200
Speaker 1: ultimate irony, uh something. Yeah, some people can't even eat chicken. Yeah, yeah, no.

1934
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:18,800
Speaker 1: And it well I remember year years ago when I

1935
01:48:18,840 --> 01:48:20,679
Speaker 1: heard about it for the first time, I thought, well,

1936
01:48:20,920 --> 01:48:24,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's it was and is generally presented as rare.

1937
01:48:24,479 --> 01:48:27,479
Speaker 1: But I know now I could count at least a

1938
01:48:27,479 --> 01:48:30,439
Speaker 1: dozen people I know that have it. Yes, it's about

1939
01:48:30,439 --> 01:48:32,960
Speaker 1: a good doctor friend who got bit in Texas and

1940
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:35,080
Speaker 1: he he didn't know what was happening to him, but

1941
01:48:35,120 --> 01:48:37,720
Speaker 1: when he ain't a steak you and died. Yeah, yeah,

1942
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:40,760
Speaker 1: and and and the lone star tick name is is

1943
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:43,559
Speaker 1: a little bit misleading because that that tick is all

1944
01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:46,719
Speaker 1: over the eastern eastern part of the US as well. Um,

1945
01:48:46,760 --> 01:48:48,840
Speaker 1: so it's I'm glad you brought that up because it

1946
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:52,599
Speaker 1: is kind of a you know, it's not an unspoken danger,

1947
01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:54,920
Speaker 1: but it's certainly something I think is a little we're

1948
01:48:54,960 --> 01:48:58,080
Speaker 1: more willing to deal with than we are. A rattlesnake. Well,

1949
01:48:58,120 --> 01:49:01,280
Speaker 1: you can't be too careful, I mean, even l cunting.

1950
01:49:02,240 --> 01:49:04,600
Speaker 1: I mean three years ago, I was in Montana and

1951
01:49:04,680 --> 01:49:06,919
Speaker 1: not far from where you are, in the Little Belt mountains,

1952
01:49:07,520 --> 01:49:09,680
Speaker 1: and uh, the guy that owns the land that was

1953
01:49:10,439 --> 01:49:12,760
Speaker 1: we were with. We were coming out in the dark

1954
01:49:12,920 --> 01:49:16,120
Speaker 1: on the top of this little little flat top area

1955
01:49:16,439 --> 01:49:18,800
Speaker 1: a lot of sage and stuff, and he goes, this

1956
01:49:18,920 --> 01:49:23,040
Speaker 1: is a known rattlesnake dinning area. He said, so just

1957
01:49:23,160 --> 01:49:26,280
Speaker 1: be careful. So we had on head lamps and I

1958
01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:28,200
Speaker 1: didn't even have one on, and all of a sudden

1959
01:49:28,200 --> 01:49:31,639
Speaker 1: he stops dead steel in front. Obviously when everybody stopping

1960
01:49:31,720 --> 01:49:35,559
Speaker 1: you you can hear that rattling, and uh, I mean

1961
01:49:35,640 --> 01:49:39,000
Speaker 1: he was right there, you know, so you can run

1962
01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:43,120
Speaker 1: into him during during the during the fall, during the spring. Uh.

1963
01:49:43,360 --> 01:49:46,600
Speaker 1: Three years ago. I've been sitting there talking to the

1964
01:49:46,680 --> 01:49:49,080
Speaker 1: hen finally called her up. She walked on off, and

1965
01:49:49,439 --> 01:49:52,360
Speaker 1: I put my box called down to stand up, and

1966
01:49:52,439 --> 01:49:58,439
Speaker 1: there was a rale snake coiled six inches from my hand,

1967
01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:01,120
Speaker 1: which had boded my box calling and I gotta and

1968
01:50:01,160 --> 01:50:04,080
Speaker 1: I took, I gotta left box called air and pushed away.

1969
01:50:04,720 --> 01:50:07,960
Speaker 1: And I've got a picture that bots called sitting there

1970
01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:11,479
Speaker 1: next to that snake. And I don't know how that happened.

1971
01:50:11,520 --> 01:50:14,800
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm I called myself pretty perceptive, but I

1972
01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:17,080
Speaker 1: promise you did. And it ain't gonna stop me from listening.

1973
01:50:17,080 --> 01:50:20,760
Speaker 1: For god, that's right. I do eat turkey hunt long enough,

1974
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:23,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a tick story and you're gonna have

1975
01:50:23,120 --> 01:50:26,599
Speaker 1: a snake story. Just is how it is. Um And

1976
01:50:26,640 --> 01:50:28,160
Speaker 1: I always I always say that you kind of gotta

1977
01:50:28,200 --> 01:50:30,879
Speaker 1: pay pay a bit of a price for the beauty

1978
01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:32,960
Speaker 1: of that time of year. You know you're gonna get

1979
01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:36,559
Speaker 1: all the newness of the natural world, but you kind

1980
01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:39,720
Speaker 1: of gotta deal with some of those little the underbelly. Yeah.

1981
01:50:39,800 --> 01:50:42,960
Speaker 1: I mean when when God is bringing life back to

1982
01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:46,519
Speaker 1: the southern woods and all the different types of hard

1983
01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:50,719
Speaker 1: woods and everything, that it is a time of beauty

1984
01:50:50,840 --> 01:50:56,640
Speaker 1: and joy. It really is. You know. Turkey hunting for

1985
01:50:56,760 --> 01:50:59,200
Speaker 1: me is it's something. I was trying to explain this

1986
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:01,240
Speaker 1: to my wife, being into quarantine right now, and she

1987
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:03,599
Speaker 1: all I've been thinking about is turkeys for about two weeks,

1988
01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:05,439
Speaker 1: and I've been taking my son out to scout every

1989
01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:08,160
Speaker 1: night we go out, and he actually is getting a

1990
01:51:08,200 --> 01:51:11,200
Speaker 1: little burnt out on driving around the truck with Daddy

1991
01:51:11,200 --> 01:51:14,200
Speaker 1: and jumping out and running river bottoms and upridges and

1992
01:51:14,320 --> 01:51:18,320
Speaker 1: looking for turkeys. I he's like three and a half,

1993
01:51:18,360 --> 01:51:23,400
Speaker 1: So don't learn him out, I got. She had to

1994
01:51:23,400 --> 01:51:26,040
Speaker 1: sit me down and say, hey, look, I think maybe

1995
01:51:26,479 --> 01:51:29,120
Speaker 1: I think maybe he's not quite equipped the way you

1996
01:51:29,160 --> 01:51:31,040
Speaker 1: think he is to kind of go so hard drive

1997
01:51:31,080 --> 01:51:32,559
Speaker 1: around for two hours in the truck and then get

1998
01:51:32,600 --> 01:51:35,639
Speaker 1: up and run around. Said okay, I'll back off. But

1999
01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:37,920
Speaker 1: I had to explain her. I said, you know, especially

2000
01:51:37,960 --> 01:51:39,800
Speaker 1: in this quarantine time when a lot of folks are

2001
01:51:39,920 --> 01:51:41,920
Speaker 1: locked out, I had. This thing to me is kind

2002
01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:44,519
Speaker 1: of like I don't want to be overly dramatic, but

2003
01:51:44,520 --> 01:51:46,720
Speaker 1: it's kind of salvation, like know that it knowing that

2004
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:49,960
Speaker 1: it's coming. I know, I've got this excitement and joy

2005
01:51:50,080 --> 01:51:52,960
Speaker 1: for this, this very brief amount of time every year

2006
01:51:53,560 --> 01:51:56,400
Speaker 1: that I can be outside and interact him with this

2007
01:51:56,760 --> 01:52:00,439
Speaker 1: with nature in this way. So it's it's this, you know,

2008
01:52:00,680 --> 01:52:03,519
Speaker 1: this overwhelming sense that this thing is coming, and it's

2009
01:52:03,560 --> 01:52:06,799
Speaker 1: it's got joy baked into it, even with success and failure,

2010
01:52:06,840 --> 01:52:09,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna know that. I like, this is my my

2011
01:52:09,680 --> 01:52:12,559
Speaker 1: time of year, I feel. And so I was just

2012
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:14,400
Speaker 1: explaining that too, or do you do you have a

2013
01:52:14,439 --> 01:52:17,320
Speaker 1: similar notion about it? Or how you would explain it

2014
01:52:17,320 --> 01:52:19,280
Speaker 1: to folks while you love it so much? Yeah? Yeah,

2015
01:52:19,720 --> 01:52:23,200
Speaker 1: when I when I realized that there's a good chance

2016
01:52:23,240 --> 01:52:25,040
Speaker 1: that I can go into the woods and sit down

2017
01:52:25,160 --> 01:52:28,240
Speaker 1: and make contact with the Gobbler and he will come

2018
01:52:28,280 --> 01:52:30,439
Speaker 1: to me goblin, and I have got to see him

2019
01:52:30,439 --> 01:52:34,160
Speaker 1: before he sees me, and I cannot move. I don't

2020
01:52:34,200 --> 01:52:36,840
Speaker 1: want him to, I don't I can't stand it when

2021
01:52:36,840 --> 01:52:40,240
Speaker 1: I sproke him. Yeah, there there is a part of

2022
01:52:40,280 --> 01:52:43,880
Speaker 1: me that starts grinning. I mean here. It is a

2023
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:46,679
Speaker 1: beautiful day, and I'm sitting here doing a podcast about

2024
01:52:46,680 --> 01:52:49,840
Speaker 1: turkey because I love it. You know, I have. Let

2025
01:52:49,840 --> 01:52:51,840
Speaker 1: me tell you something, your son. What does he have

2026
01:52:51,880 --> 01:52:55,120
Speaker 1: a sweet that he's like popsicles? What is he like?

2027
01:52:55,479 --> 01:52:57,519
Speaker 1: He does? He likes chocolate milk. That's a big he's

2028
01:52:57,560 --> 01:52:59,360
Speaker 1: a big fan of that. Okay, will you take a

2029
01:52:59,360 --> 01:53:02,200
Speaker 1: little little soft cooler with some chocolate milk and you

2030
01:53:02,280 --> 01:53:05,000
Speaker 1: let him know he can have chocolate milk every time

2031
01:53:05,120 --> 01:53:08,400
Speaker 1: he locates you with turkey. At three and a half,

2032
01:53:08,439 --> 01:53:12,120
Speaker 1: he's probably got ears as good as an elk, that's right.

2033
01:53:12,240 --> 01:53:16,559
Speaker 1: And he can hear him further than you can. Yeah,

2034
01:53:16,600 --> 01:53:19,479
Speaker 1: he um, he said. The other day when I was

2035
01:53:19,479 --> 01:53:21,160
Speaker 1: taking him out, and this is like our fifth day

2036
01:53:21,160 --> 01:53:25,160
Speaker 1: in a row running around together, he just said, um, hey,

2037
01:53:25,479 --> 01:53:29,960
Speaker 1: h could we go to a store or something? I said,

2038
01:53:29,960 --> 01:53:31,400
Speaker 1: what do you mean? He's like, well, we've been looking

2039
01:53:31,400 --> 01:53:34,040
Speaker 1: for turkeys for a long time, so I had to

2040
01:53:34,120 --> 01:53:36,240
Speaker 1: learn learn to back off. But I get that chocolate milk.

2041
01:53:36,240 --> 01:53:38,679
Speaker 1: I bet that would work. Have you have you heard

2042
01:53:38,720 --> 01:53:42,400
Speaker 1: any Yeah, we've heard some over here. I've located something this.

2043
01:53:43,000 --> 01:53:45,960
Speaker 1: You know, this is only my second year in Montana

2044
01:53:46,360 --> 01:53:48,799
Speaker 1: and it's so different, you know from living in Texas

2045
01:53:48,880 --> 01:53:51,679
Speaker 1: and and growing up out east. It's it's so different

2046
01:53:51,720 --> 01:53:54,920
Speaker 1: just because you're looking for you know, either access to

2047
01:53:55,080 --> 01:53:57,760
Speaker 1: private property via permission or just you know, there's there's

2048
01:53:57,800 --> 01:54:01,559
Speaker 1: small chunks of state ground here on the on some

2049
01:54:01,600 --> 01:54:05,200
Speaker 1: of our river systems and some of our um you know,

2050
01:54:05,400 --> 01:54:08,320
Speaker 1: riparian areas, and so really for me, it's just discovery

2051
01:54:08,400 --> 01:54:10,639
Speaker 1: right now, which is really fun man to to to

2052
01:54:10,640 --> 01:54:12,479
Speaker 1: discover a new area, to go find a turkey and

2053
01:54:12,479 --> 01:54:16,680
Speaker 1: to hear him gobble is is. Yeah, it feels really cool. Yeah,

2054
01:54:16,720 --> 01:54:20,000
Speaker 1: on x hunt app has really been a god see

2055
01:54:20,040 --> 01:54:23,240
Speaker 1: and I don't know how I ever did it without it. Yeah,

2056
01:54:23,479 --> 01:54:25,920
Speaker 1: but all those innovations that you've probably seen over your life,

2057
01:54:25,920 --> 01:54:29,800
Speaker 1: that's gotta be here again. Like the exploration of of

2058
01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:33,160
Speaker 1: a state like Montana would be absolutely nothing of what

2059
01:54:33,200 --> 01:54:35,760
Speaker 1: it is right now. We used, we used to triangulate.

2060
01:54:35,840 --> 01:54:38,160
Speaker 1: We had maps, and we were trying our best to

2061
01:54:38,240 --> 01:54:40,680
Speaker 1: figure it out, and it was difficult. I drew a

2062
01:54:40,720 --> 01:54:44,720
Speaker 1: tag for ELP one time. Oh gosh, it's it's in

2063
01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:48,280
Speaker 1: New Mexico. Um the valvedl It's one thing we draw

2064
01:54:48,320 --> 01:54:49,800
Speaker 1: it one time. It's the only time you ever get

2065
01:54:49,800 --> 01:54:53,360
Speaker 1: to go and uh, learning that place took a lot

2066
01:54:53,480 --> 01:54:58,280
Speaker 1: of time and put power, you know. Uh, But I'll

2067
01:54:58,280 --> 01:55:01,480
Speaker 1: tell you what these new new technique, these new technology

2068
01:55:01,480 --> 01:55:04,280
Speaker 1: we've got and I do embrace that. That's that's pretty

2069
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:07,600
Speaker 1: dawn coo. Yeah, I was. My dad has turkey hunting

2070
01:55:07,600 --> 01:55:10,240
Speaker 1: when he was around my age and then quit for

2071
01:55:10,280 --> 01:55:12,160
Speaker 1: a long for you know, for the last thirty years.

2072
01:55:12,160 --> 01:55:14,400
Speaker 1: He's getting back into it. So I was showing him

2073
01:55:14,440 --> 01:55:16,280
Speaker 1: Onyx hunt the other day and he was just he

2074
01:55:16,400 --> 01:55:23,440
Speaker 1: kept saying really really, oh really, yeah, if you got it,

2075
01:55:23,560 --> 01:55:27,760
Speaker 1: you have no excuse. That's right, that's right. I didn't

2076
01:55:27,760 --> 01:55:30,960
Speaker 1: know I was across the lad. I've had a few.

2077
01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:33,640
Speaker 1: We had a lando around Colorado a couple of years

2078
01:55:33,640 --> 01:55:35,520
Speaker 1: ago that we were hunting huled deer and we were

2079
01:55:35,560 --> 01:55:37,480
Speaker 1: standing up on this spot. He was like, well, this

2080
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:39,360
Speaker 1: is where I normally glass room and down over this

2081
01:55:39,400 --> 01:55:41,800
Speaker 1: little rich here is is the end of our property.

2082
01:55:41,800 --> 01:55:43,160
Speaker 1: And I looked on Onyx and I was like, sir,

2083
01:55:43,320 --> 01:55:46,280
Speaker 1: that's um, we're actually standing on someone else's property right now.

2084
01:55:46,880 --> 01:55:48,360
Speaker 1: And he said, well, son of a bitch, I've been

2085
01:55:48,360 --> 01:55:53,640
Speaker 1: doing this for thirty years. This was the danger. The

2086
01:55:53,760 --> 01:55:57,680
Speaker 1: dangers of it. Um, Yeah, no doubt. There's somebody sitting

2087
01:55:57,680 --> 01:56:00,320
Speaker 1: mere Funny the other day and he was of those

2088
01:56:00,400 --> 01:56:02,960
Speaker 1: things that comes off. I don't know who creates some guy.

2089
01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:09,400
Speaker 1: He's looking real serious and he goes, um, so man

2090
01:56:09,600 --> 01:56:15,840
Speaker 1: made property lines, God made the wild turkey. So I'm

2091
01:56:15,880 --> 01:56:22,920
Speaker 1: going with the big man. There's been so many times,

2092
01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:25,360
Speaker 1: or you know, I'm sure you've had this happen where

2093
01:56:25,360 --> 01:56:27,680
Speaker 1: a gobbler, you call a gobbler and he hits that fence,

2094
01:56:28,200 --> 01:56:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, some three stram barbed wire fence that's the

2095
01:56:30,200 --> 01:56:32,280
Speaker 1: property line. He hits that fence, it hangs up, or

2096
01:56:32,320 --> 01:56:34,920
Speaker 1: hits that creek bottom and hangs up, and you're just

2097
01:56:35,320 --> 01:56:39,000
Speaker 1: desperate to make that last little bit bit of Yeah.

2098
01:56:39,080 --> 01:56:41,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes the best thing to do is to back up

2099
01:56:41,040 --> 01:56:43,560
Speaker 1: and make it make him come to you. Well, let's really,

2100
01:56:43,560 --> 01:56:45,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to let you out here with without

2101
01:56:45,560 --> 01:56:49,200
Speaker 1: going um over, just kind of running through every call

2102
01:56:49,280 --> 01:56:52,760
Speaker 1: and just kind of getting your um comments on each

2103
01:56:52,760 --> 01:56:55,200
Speaker 1: one when you use it. You know why a turkey

2104
01:56:55,280 --> 01:56:58,440
Speaker 1: is is making that particular sound. Um. I think you

2105
01:56:58,480 --> 01:57:02,480
Speaker 1: would start with a fluck um because that's probably the

2106
01:57:02,520 --> 01:57:06,800
Speaker 1: thing you here, maybe here the most out there um well,

2107
01:57:07,320 --> 01:57:13,520
Speaker 1: I kind of tell people don't use a clock by itself. Um,

2108
01:57:13,520 --> 01:57:17,800
Speaker 1: depending especially on the turkey's posture. If another turkey can

2109
01:57:17,800 --> 01:57:22,120
Speaker 1: see another turkey. Uh, the clock can be uh really

2110
01:57:22,160 --> 01:57:25,040
Speaker 1: close to a put, no real hard put is no

2111
01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:28,400
Speaker 1: nothing like a clock, but it can be interpreted that way.

2112
01:57:28,440 --> 01:57:32,080
Speaker 1: So I always throwing up her or yell so ill

2113
01:57:34,240 --> 01:57:38,040
Speaker 1: so or I and per I'm doing all that with

2114
01:57:38,160 --> 01:57:41,800
Speaker 1: my voice. But uh, you just want to throw something

2115
01:57:41,880 --> 01:57:45,440
Speaker 1: in with the cluck, and they do that when they're content.

2116
01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:49,520
Speaker 1: They can do it very low. Uh, A hen can

2117
01:57:49,760 --> 01:57:54,480
Speaker 1: yell very coarse. Some people say, uh, gobler's real course

2118
01:57:54,480 --> 01:57:56,480
Speaker 1: when he yelps. Well, i've heard goblers that were just

2119
01:57:56,560 --> 01:57:58,640
Speaker 1: the most beautiful hands sound and yep I've ever heard,

2120
01:57:58,680 --> 01:58:01,240
Speaker 1: and I've heard hens that was most course at here

2121
01:58:01,240 --> 01:58:03,200
Speaker 1: and the other day that was coming upon this. We

2122
01:58:03,280 --> 01:58:07,000
Speaker 1: got video of her, uh and real close to us,

2123
01:58:07,120 --> 01:58:09,760
Speaker 1: and she was just yuping so pretty, and then we

2124
01:58:09,920 --> 01:58:12,320
Speaker 1: yeup like a jake back at her, and she copied us,

2125
01:58:13,080 --> 01:58:16,880
Speaker 1: uh black black black black, you know, and started the

2126
01:58:16,960 --> 01:58:19,680
Speaker 1: up and course. So they can do whatever they want,

2127
01:58:19,760 --> 01:58:23,520
Speaker 1: but the clock should be used with a yell or

2128
01:58:23,560 --> 01:58:26,720
Speaker 1: with a purp. It's a contented sound. It can be

2129
01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:29,800
Speaker 1: interpreted I think by godler is hey, I'm happy. I'm

2130
01:58:29,800 --> 01:58:32,760
Speaker 1: scratching around over here, so reaching out, scratching in the leaves,

2131
01:58:32,760 --> 01:58:35,960
Speaker 1: scratching in something that sounds like a turkey looking for

2132
01:58:36,360 --> 01:58:40,080
Speaker 1: leftover acres or something like that. Uh, you're just you're saying,

2133
01:58:40,240 --> 01:58:42,200
Speaker 1: I'm happy over here. If you want to come over

2134
01:58:42,240 --> 01:58:44,280
Speaker 1: here and come on, but I'm I'm I'm happy over here.

2135
01:58:44,280 --> 01:58:47,040
Speaker 1: And that can make him come right if you see.

2136
01:58:47,080 --> 01:58:49,120
Speaker 1: And I've always just be keen. I know you've probably

2137
01:58:49,120 --> 01:58:51,680
Speaker 1: seen this a million times over, you know, just just

2138
01:58:51,720 --> 01:58:53,960
Speaker 1: a hand out in the field, just kind of pecking away,

2139
01:58:54,320 --> 01:58:57,160
Speaker 1: you know, having lunch or whatever. She is, clucking and

2140
01:58:57,240 --> 01:58:59,320
Speaker 1: purring and kind of making those content that sounds. Why

2141
01:58:59,440 --> 01:59:04,000
Speaker 1: she does it usually yeah, Um, So you know the yelp.

2142
01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:07,440
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of ways to interpret the yelp. But

2143
01:59:07,480 --> 01:59:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm interested to kind of how you look at at

2144
01:59:10,240 --> 01:59:14,480
Speaker 1: that that sound. But the yelp is your basic communication

2145
01:59:14,640 --> 01:59:16,960
Speaker 1: that you're communication. So I've got a gobbler out there,

2146
01:59:17,560 --> 01:59:19,360
Speaker 1: I've got him. I heard him gobblet of crow. I

2147
01:59:19,480 --> 01:59:21,960
Speaker 1: sat down and probably the first thing I'm gonna do

2148
01:59:22,000 --> 01:59:25,320
Speaker 1: is I'm gonna yelp at him three tim. Now, the

2149
01:59:25,440 --> 01:59:29,080
Speaker 1: intensity with which you yell, the pitch with which you

2150
01:59:29,200 --> 01:59:31,760
Speaker 1: yell can say a lot of whether that he is

2151
01:59:31,800 --> 01:59:35,520
Speaker 1: just yelping, cause she's just yelping, or she's yelping communicating

2152
01:59:35,520 --> 01:59:41,080
Speaker 1: to a gobbler. So remember, uh that that intensity is

2153
01:59:41,120 --> 01:59:47,600
Speaker 1: brought on by the pitch, and and how sharp the

2154
01:59:47,720 --> 01:59:51,720
Speaker 1: yelp can be, you can change that. Should have sat

2155
01:59:51,760 --> 01:59:53,400
Speaker 1: down with a slate collar or something so you could

2156
01:59:53,400 --> 01:59:57,560
Speaker 1: hear it, But um that the yelp is. There are

2157
01:59:57,640 --> 02:00:01,000
Speaker 1: just so many different ways to yelp. A lot of

2158
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:04,320
Speaker 1: times when I'm trying to find a gobbler, Um, I

2159
02:00:04,360 --> 02:00:08,560
Speaker 1: will stop looking around and said, if he gobbles, i

2160
02:00:08,560 --> 02:00:10,680
Speaker 1: can sit down right here, right by this tree, and

2161
02:00:10,720 --> 02:00:14,040
Speaker 1: I'll yell, which I call it lost you, and I'll

2162
02:00:14,760 --> 02:00:27,320
Speaker 1: ye don't hear nothing, and then I'll cut and just

2163
02:00:27,480 --> 02:00:29,960
Speaker 1: try my best to get a gobbler to react to

2164
02:00:30,080 --> 02:00:34,880
Speaker 1: that and into gobble if he does. Yeah, I'm I'm

2165
02:00:34,880 --> 02:00:38,720
Speaker 1: ahead of the game because you can't. Well, some people

2166
02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:40,480
Speaker 1: may be good at hunting them if they don't gobble,

2167
02:00:40,520 --> 02:00:43,480
Speaker 1: but I'm not any good if they don't go me either.

2168
02:00:43,800 --> 02:00:46,000
Speaker 1: I know I've not yet met a guy that can

2169
02:00:46,080 --> 02:00:47,920
Speaker 1: hunt them with that guy one depending on the country,

2170
02:00:47,920 --> 02:00:51,320
Speaker 1: I imagine, Uh, yeah, I know there is that excited yell.

2171
02:00:51,520 --> 02:00:53,360
Speaker 1: There's the you know, kind of like you said, the

2172
02:00:53,400 --> 02:00:58,000
Speaker 1: locator yell is there? Would you say, like, here's the

2173
02:00:58,000 --> 02:01:00,480
Speaker 1: playbook of different types of yelps? Or are you just

2174
02:01:00,520 --> 02:01:02,720
Speaker 1: playing the conversation? Are you? Is that just like a

2175
02:01:02,760 --> 02:01:04,840
Speaker 1: couple of notes that you can bend in such a

2176
02:01:04,880 --> 02:01:09,160
Speaker 1: way as to kind and you can anything goes and

2177
02:01:09,480 --> 02:01:12,120
Speaker 1: you and you ex you describe it perfectly basic yell,

2178
02:01:12,280 --> 02:01:16,120
Speaker 1: excited yelp, lost yelp. They used the yelp in many

2179
02:01:16,160 --> 02:01:21,000
Speaker 1: different ways, uh to communicate. Uh So try and see

2180
02:01:21,040 --> 02:01:26,000
Speaker 1: what works. I every turkey that I talked to, I'm

2181
02:01:26,040 --> 02:01:29,959
Speaker 1: taking his temperature by what I'm doing and his reaction

2182
02:01:30,040 --> 02:01:33,240
Speaker 1: to it. And once I can kind of feel what

2183
02:01:33,320 --> 02:01:38,480
Speaker 1: it's temperature is. Uh, if he's gobbling and I'm yeping

2184
02:01:38,480 --> 02:01:40,800
Speaker 1: at him and I'm not trying to act nonchalant, I'm

2185
02:01:40,840 --> 02:01:42,240
Speaker 1: not really excited it and all of a sudden, a

2186
02:01:42,360 --> 02:01:47,120
Speaker 1: hend with him does something like she clucks and and

2187
02:01:47,200 --> 02:01:54,200
Speaker 1: cut set me like that, like she's aggressively doing something,

2188
02:01:54,240 --> 02:01:56,320
Speaker 1: and the god of gobbles right there, I'll do that

2189
02:01:56,360 --> 02:01:59,840
Speaker 1: back at that hend uh and and if if, if

2190
02:01:59,840 --> 02:02:01,760
Speaker 1: you can a lot of times you can get that

2191
02:02:01,880 --> 02:02:05,040
Speaker 1: key hend to be very curious and she will bring

2192
02:02:05,080 --> 02:02:07,520
Speaker 1: that gobbler to you. Yeah, I've had I've had success

2193
02:02:07,520 --> 02:02:09,240
Speaker 1: with that number of times. And I'm glad you brought

2194
02:02:09,240 --> 02:02:11,040
Speaker 1: that up. Because if I get a hand out in

2195
02:02:11,040 --> 02:02:12,600
Speaker 1: front of me, and I can get her working, and

2196
02:02:12,640 --> 02:02:15,480
Speaker 1: I can piss her off and she wants to circle

2197
02:02:15,480 --> 02:02:17,640
Speaker 1: a decoy and and make a bunch of noise, making

2198
02:02:17,680 --> 02:02:20,360
Speaker 1: a racket, I've always I don't know, I can't think

2199
02:02:20,400 --> 02:02:22,200
Speaker 1: of a time where that didn't pull a gobbler in

2200
02:02:22,240 --> 02:02:25,120
Speaker 1: if there was one around u, depending on the situation,

2201
02:02:25,160 --> 02:02:27,520
Speaker 1: unless he had four thirty other hands with or something

2202
02:02:27,560 --> 02:02:30,320
Speaker 1: like that. But that almost always does. This is one.

2203
02:02:30,400 --> 02:02:35,080
Speaker 1: There's another. The cut I think is a sound and

2204
02:02:35,160 --> 02:02:39,560
Speaker 1: an action for a turkey that often gets confused. Like

2205
02:02:39,600 --> 02:02:42,440
Speaker 1: you were saying a little bit of what the cluck um?

2206
02:02:42,480 --> 02:02:45,040
Speaker 1: And is it an alarm? Is it in an excitement? Like?

2207
02:02:45,240 --> 02:02:48,400
Speaker 1: What is what you're thought? It is definitely not an

2208
02:02:48,400 --> 02:02:56,760
Speaker 1: alarm um an alarm Uh, it's gonna be and they're

2209
02:02:56,760 --> 02:02:59,560
Speaker 1: gonna be upset. If you're looking at them, they're probably

2210
02:02:59,560 --> 02:03:02,680
Speaker 1: gonna be going the other way. Uh, that is gonna that.

2211
02:03:02,680 --> 02:03:07,480
Speaker 1: That is not to be confused with cutting. Cutting can

2212
02:03:07,560 --> 02:03:14,120
Speaker 1: be soft, very loud, more intense. It is takato. It

2213
02:03:14,280 --> 02:03:19,120
Speaker 1: is no rhythm to it. Um, we've got we we

2214
02:03:19,120 --> 02:03:22,080
Speaker 1: we We recorded two hens this year already just right

2215
02:03:22,160 --> 02:03:27,120
Speaker 1: on camera, right next to it's just cutting their heads away. Um.

2216
02:03:28,840 --> 02:03:30,520
Speaker 1: And one of them made a turkey gobble and we

2217
02:03:30,560 --> 02:03:35,440
Speaker 1: ended up killing the turkey. Um. It is uh, it's

2218
02:03:35,440 --> 02:03:39,640
Speaker 1: an intensity. And uh, I have one hen. One time,

2219
02:03:39,720 --> 02:03:42,480
Speaker 1: I think Royan Jolly was running the camera and that

2220
02:03:42,960 --> 02:03:46,880
Speaker 1: hen sat there and cut at us for ten minutes

2221
02:03:47,200 --> 02:03:50,560
Speaker 1: off and the she paused and slowed down and go

2222
02:03:50,640 --> 02:03:54,200
Speaker 1: back to it, and I finally she walked off and

2223
02:03:54,240 --> 02:03:56,600
Speaker 1: I told Jolly, I said, I don't think there's a

2224
02:03:56,600 --> 02:04:03,600
Speaker 1: turkey within hearing, because he'd answered, uh. But cutting is

2225
02:04:03,600 --> 02:04:07,080
Speaker 1: a hand that is very very excited and she wants company.

2226
02:04:07,840 --> 02:04:16,440
Speaker 1: The cut is as takato. And can you give you know,

2227
02:04:16,560 --> 02:04:18,520
Speaker 1: the put? Can you give us just a quick one?

2228
02:04:18,600 --> 02:04:20,400
Speaker 1: A put sounds like it's not something you want to hear.

2229
02:04:20,440 --> 02:04:25,120
Speaker 1: But I don't have a call uh stating you're staring

2230
02:04:25,120 --> 02:04:26,600
Speaker 1: at me. I have to run to another room. Begin.

2231
02:04:27,920 --> 02:04:33,000
Speaker 1: But but but the the put um I would the

2232
02:04:33,040 --> 02:04:36,160
Speaker 1: closest thing I'm gonna compare it to is the bark

2233
02:04:36,240 --> 02:04:39,560
Speaker 1: of a cow el h. It's so sharp and it's

2234
02:04:39,680 --> 02:04:43,360
Speaker 1: so intense it will it will joke you. It's not

2235
02:04:43,440 --> 02:04:46,440
Speaker 1: as loud as a bark on a cow yo or

2236
02:04:46,440 --> 02:04:50,520
Speaker 1: a bullout for that matter. Um, but it's just really

2237
02:04:50,600 --> 02:04:54,560
Speaker 1: really sharp. If you, uh, if you could just imagine

2238
02:04:54,800 --> 02:05:00,560
Speaker 1: a clute would be and I cut would be, it's

2239
02:05:00,640 --> 02:05:04,800
Speaker 1: just much more intense, much shorter, and it's much more. Uh,

2240
02:05:05,000 --> 02:05:09,160
Speaker 1: it's just sharper. It's just terribly sharp. I think that

2241
02:05:09,240 --> 02:05:12,360
Speaker 1: covers you know, there's other things, you know. I guess

2242
02:05:12,400 --> 02:05:15,040
Speaker 1: we should we shouldn't let this this go without talking

2243
02:05:15,080 --> 02:05:17,400
Speaker 1: about kiki run because I think kiki run is is

2244
02:05:18,680 --> 02:05:21,120
Speaker 1: a little used call for the newcomer, but it's something

2245
02:05:21,160 --> 02:05:26,080
Speaker 1: they should certainly know about, Oh no doubt. Um. I

2246
02:05:26,120 --> 02:05:27,920
Speaker 1: know one time I was in Texas and the only

2247
02:05:27,960 --> 02:05:29,920
Speaker 1: thing that would kill if turkey was a key key run.

2248
02:05:30,400 --> 02:05:34,000
Speaker 1: So a key key is a human expression of a

2249
02:05:34,040 --> 02:05:39,560
Speaker 1: turkey's whistle. When poults are born, Uh, they can't yelp yet, um,

2250
02:05:39,600 --> 02:05:42,680
Speaker 1: but they whistle and Mama will whistle them together if

2251
02:05:42,680 --> 02:05:44,800
Speaker 1: they get broken up. If you're riding down the road

2252
02:05:44,880 --> 02:05:48,840
Speaker 1: and you drive into a flock of hens crossing the road.

2253
02:05:48,880 --> 02:05:51,360
Speaker 1: Flight a flock of young turkeys crossing the road, and

2254
02:05:51,440 --> 02:05:53,480
Speaker 1: one goes this way and three go that way. They

2255
02:05:53,480 --> 02:05:56,920
Speaker 1: go in every direction. Um, and you can sit down

2256
02:05:57,080 --> 02:06:00,720
Speaker 1: right there back and truck up down right there. The

2257
02:06:00,760 --> 02:06:03,960
Speaker 1: wait about ten minutes. You might even hear one whistling

2258
02:06:04,080 --> 02:06:08,520
Speaker 1: before uh you start. But you do it on a

2259
02:06:08,560 --> 02:06:11,000
Speaker 1: mouth call, Uh is the easiest one to do it.

2260
02:06:11,160 --> 02:06:13,160
Speaker 1: You can do it on a slate, people, some people

2261
02:06:13,200 --> 02:06:16,440
Speaker 1: are fantastic on it a slate, but it's it's it's

2262
02:06:16,520 --> 02:06:23,840
Speaker 1: that kind of sounds like this. It's a whistle. And

2263
02:06:23,880 --> 02:06:26,720
Speaker 1: then the run part of it is as a turkey

2264
02:06:26,760 --> 02:06:33,080
Speaker 1: is getting older, it's going into the yells always got

2265
02:06:37,000 --> 02:06:39,320
Speaker 1: uh and the hen will do that to gather her

2266
02:06:39,360 --> 02:06:42,760
Speaker 1: flock back together. But I think a lot of times

2267
02:06:43,080 --> 02:06:46,640
Speaker 1: um gobbler hears that, he thinks it's younger turkeys, and

2268
02:06:46,640 --> 02:06:50,120
Speaker 1: he's not intimidated. A lot of times the jake's will

2269
02:06:50,520 --> 02:06:54,879
Speaker 1: get together and gang up. So the last year's gobbler

2270
02:06:55,000 --> 02:06:58,640
Speaker 1: that was now he's nine months old or whatever. Uh,

2271
02:06:59,120 --> 02:07:01,600
Speaker 1: they hang up on a gobbler and that will beat

2272
02:07:01,640 --> 02:07:04,680
Speaker 1: him up. There'll be five or six, seven, eight Jake's

2273
02:07:04,840 --> 02:07:06,880
Speaker 1: fighting the big gobler all at once and finally he

2274
02:07:06,960 --> 02:07:10,440
Speaker 1: just has to quit. Yep, you got that. And you

2275
02:07:10,480 --> 02:07:13,680
Speaker 1: also have a you know, similar to the assembly call two.

2276
02:07:14,440 --> 02:07:17,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know that that the hand will do

2277
02:07:17,880 --> 02:07:21,360
Speaker 1: that to assemble the flock back together, and that that

2278
02:07:21,520 --> 02:07:27,600
Speaker 1: assembly help is a certain length and uh it's a begging, pleading,

2279
02:07:27,800 --> 02:07:33,160
Speaker 1: yelping series of calls to bring that flock back together. Yeah.

2280
02:07:33,360 --> 02:07:36,960
Speaker 1: Well so I think that's you know, that's all the vocalizations. Um,

2281
02:07:37,080 --> 02:07:38,960
Speaker 1: I think we need to cover and if if you

2282
02:07:38,960 --> 02:07:41,240
Speaker 1: know those, people want to learn, people want to learn more.

2283
02:07:41,240 --> 02:07:45,160
Speaker 1: There's some great stuff on YouTube, uh and that that

2284
02:07:45,160 --> 02:07:47,720
Speaker 1: that's been produced and actually see turkeys do it and

2285
02:07:47,760 --> 02:07:50,600
Speaker 1: people do it and uh, we used to have a

2286
02:07:50,640 --> 02:07:53,480
Speaker 1: Master in the Art series. I think that's on uh

2287
02:07:53,560 --> 02:07:56,280
Speaker 1: the streaming site now and you can go and listen

2288
02:07:56,320 --> 02:07:58,880
Speaker 1: to all that, uh and listen to turkeys do it

2289
02:07:58,920 --> 02:08:01,240
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah. We we have a we had a

2290
02:08:01,240 --> 02:08:03,400
Speaker 1: little exercise with our crew last year where we tried

2291
02:08:03,440 --> 02:08:07,640
Speaker 1: to name everything that we've ever heard making turkey shot gobble,

2292
02:08:10,320 --> 02:08:14,720
Speaker 1: oh my god, car doors and car alarms and you know,

2293
02:08:15,040 --> 02:08:17,560
Speaker 1: coughs and anything you can think of. Is there you

2294
02:08:17,640 --> 02:08:22,160
Speaker 1: got any funny stories about shark goble and bull from alves,

2295
02:08:22,680 --> 02:08:28,200
Speaker 1: barn owls, great horned owls, uh, car horns, gunshots off

2296
02:08:28,240 --> 02:08:31,800
Speaker 1: into distance. Thunder is one of the best out west.

2297
02:08:32,440 --> 02:08:38,280
Speaker 1: The number one turkey locator isn't help got Yeah, absolutely

2298
02:08:38,280 --> 02:08:42,440
Speaker 1: fantastic for making them gobbling. Tell yea. And I've recently

2299
02:08:42,480 --> 02:08:46,000
Speaker 1: really started relying on the coyote house sometimes. Oh yeah,

2300
02:08:46,560 --> 02:08:50,720
Speaker 1: they're small, easy to easy to carry, and they work great. Yeah,

2301
02:08:50,760 --> 02:08:53,120
Speaker 1: it works great. How would you describe, you know, kind

2302
02:08:53,160 --> 02:08:56,280
Speaker 1: of what's going on with within the turkey in the

2303
02:08:56,360 --> 02:08:59,880
Speaker 1: shot coble? I mean, obviously Shock says it describes kind

2304
02:08:59,880 --> 02:09:04,320
Speaker 1: of a reaction, But what's your thoughts that I don't know.

2305
02:09:04,400 --> 02:09:08,800
Speaker 1: You know, they've tried to understand that and prove it um,

2306
02:09:08,840 --> 02:09:13,560
Speaker 1: you know sometimes, I mean I've had Miriams sometimes get

2307
02:09:13,680 --> 02:09:17,080
Speaker 1: spooked and I've made him gobble by shot goblin. Eastern

2308
02:09:17,120 --> 02:09:19,080
Speaker 1: won't do that, and you spoke in Eastern, He's gonna

2309
02:09:19,320 --> 02:09:23,040
Speaker 1: his mouth is it's shut tight? Uh, But you can

2310
02:09:23,080 --> 02:09:25,000
Speaker 1: get a Mirriam and sometimes in the Eastern to gobble

2311
02:09:25,080 --> 02:09:29,080
Speaker 1: even though they've seen you, um, but they're reacting to

2312
02:09:29,280 --> 02:09:32,680
Speaker 1: that that world that they live in. They're all keyed

2313
02:09:32,760 --> 02:09:35,839
Speaker 1: up there strutting and drumming. And that's a sound that

2314
02:09:36,000 --> 02:09:39,640
Speaker 1: new people need to understand. Uh. A lot of times

2315
02:09:39,680 --> 02:09:42,400
Speaker 1: you'll be sitting there calling the turkey and he shuts

2316
02:09:42,480 --> 02:09:45,240
Speaker 1: up in a hundred yards or a hundred fifty yards

2317
02:09:45,320 --> 02:09:49,480
Speaker 1: if he does chance, he's coming to you because he's

2318
02:09:49,480 --> 02:09:52,200
Speaker 1: gonna quit goblin when he starts making that move a

2319
02:09:52,200 --> 02:09:54,000
Speaker 1: lot of time because he doesn't want some other critter

2320
02:09:54,080 --> 02:09:56,600
Speaker 1: to jump on him on the way. And the first

2321
02:09:56,600 --> 02:10:03,320
Speaker 1: thing you're gonna hear is yeah, and they can do

2322
02:10:03,400 --> 02:10:05,800
Speaker 1: that and half strub or full strug. It's a call

2323
02:10:06,320 --> 02:10:09,400
Speaker 1: he's calling to the hend and she can hear that

2324
02:10:09,640 --> 02:10:12,720
Speaker 1: a long way away. Yeah, And that isn't that you know?

2325
02:10:12,840 --> 02:10:14,920
Speaker 1: To me? The favorite, my favorite, well some of my

2326
02:10:14,960 --> 02:10:18,000
Speaker 1: favorite moments in my turkey hunting memory bank are when

2327
02:10:18,040 --> 02:10:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm sitting shotgun facing one way and from end behind

2328
02:10:22,800 --> 02:10:27,000
Speaker 1: that something direction and you know, you know he's coming in,

2329
02:10:27,080 --> 02:10:28,800
Speaker 1: and you know you can't move, and you know that

2330
02:10:29,040 --> 02:10:32,680
Speaker 1: the game is on. That's right, that's fine. That's to

2331
02:10:32,760 --> 02:10:34,760
Speaker 1: shake your bones too. I think that's one of just

2332
02:10:34,840 --> 02:10:36,600
Speaker 1: one of those sounds much like an LP. You with

2333
02:10:36,680 --> 02:10:40,160
Speaker 1: it just so it seems like so unique and so vibrating. Yeah,

2334
02:10:40,200 --> 02:10:42,640
Speaker 1: I was crossing the barb wire finch one time. I

2335
02:10:42,680 --> 02:10:45,440
Speaker 1: put my hand on the fence and lower the top

2336
02:10:45,520 --> 02:10:48,400
Speaker 1: wire so I could swing my leg over and the

2337
02:10:48,400 --> 02:10:51,400
Speaker 1: fence on that staple on that on that Bodoc tree

2338
02:10:51,480 --> 02:10:55,360
Speaker 1: that that was staple team at that finch wing. Here

2339
02:10:56,360 --> 02:10:59,880
Speaker 1: is the horriblest sound. And maybe yep, I've ever heard

2340
02:11:00,200 --> 02:11:04,960
Speaker 1: life but a turkey gobble. And I'm frozen with my

2341
02:11:05,080 --> 02:11:07,040
Speaker 1: leg half swung over the fence and I'm going to

2342
02:11:07,080 --> 02:11:10,160
Speaker 1: heat gobble because he thought that was a yelp or

2343
02:11:10,160 --> 02:11:12,800
Speaker 1: did he gobble? Called it was a high pitched squeak.

2344
02:11:13,280 --> 02:11:15,000
Speaker 1: So I let the fence up and did it again.

2345
02:11:15,080 --> 02:11:19,880
Speaker 1: He got it again, even closer. Yeah, how would you?

2346
02:11:19,920 --> 02:11:21,840
Speaker 1: I mean, we've we've had this debate on this show

2347
02:11:21,920 --> 02:11:26,560
Speaker 1: so many times that sometimes my buddy Sam so Whole

2348
02:11:26,760 --> 02:11:29,520
Speaker 1: described one time that a turkey is like puffed up roomba,

2349
02:11:29,600 --> 02:11:31,880
Speaker 1: which is one of the robot vacuums. It just kind

2350
02:11:31,920 --> 02:11:33,480
Speaker 1: of goes around the room. When it hits a wall,

2351
02:11:33,520 --> 02:11:35,400
Speaker 1: it goes a different direction. It hits another wall, it

2352
02:11:35,440 --> 02:11:37,920
Speaker 1: goes a different direction. And other times you feel like

2353
02:11:37,960 --> 02:11:43,240
Speaker 1: it's this all knowing, all seeing being that that understands

2354
02:11:43,280 --> 02:11:45,880
Speaker 1: what you're doing before you're gonna do it, and that

2355
02:11:45,920 --> 02:11:49,120
Speaker 1: you can just never figure them out. So there seems

2356
02:11:49,160 --> 02:11:51,640
Speaker 1: like a void in the understanding of you know, when

2357
02:11:51,760 --> 02:11:54,200
Speaker 1: is a turkey either one of those two things? And

2358
02:11:54,240 --> 02:11:59,680
Speaker 1: what is he most of the time? Well, once again,

2359
02:12:00,640 --> 02:12:03,200
Speaker 1: the terrain of turkey Lizzy and is gonna dictate a

2360
02:12:03,200 --> 02:12:08,080
Speaker 1: lot of his behavior. And maybe because we have vick

2361
02:12:08,160 --> 02:12:17,200
Speaker 1: Woods and you know, o how Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, George, Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana,

2362
02:12:17,480 --> 02:12:22,560
Speaker 1: they act different there. They they seem to me like

2363
02:12:22,600 --> 02:12:25,200
Speaker 1: they are always on top of the game. And you've

2364
02:12:25,200 --> 02:12:29,920
Speaker 1: got to find one who's so lonely that he'll break

2365
02:12:29,960 --> 02:12:33,680
Speaker 1: the rules of nature, uh and act stupid and come

2366
02:12:33,720 --> 02:12:38,160
Speaker 1: to you rather rather than you come to him. Yeah,

2367
02:12:38,480 --> 02:12:41,800
Speaker 1: that's that's something that um I hunted for years as

2368
02:12:41,800 --> 02:12:43,840
Speaker 1: a as a kid, never knowing that we were we

2369
02:12:43,840 --> 02:12:46,760
Speaker 1: were kind of reversing the natural order of the interaction.

2370
02:12:46,920 --> 02:12:50,160
Speaker 1: Like that's right, That's that's something I think it's very

2371
02:12:50,200 --> 02:12:53,200
Speaker 1: important for people to learn. Do you have I've been

2372
02:12:53,240 --> 02:12:55,720
Speaker 1: loving since we've been locked down and here Montana, we've

2373
02:12:55,760 --> 02:12:57,960
Speaker 1: been sheltering in place for a while and haven't been

2374
02:12:58,000 --> 02:12:59,720
Speaker 1: able to see my friends and get to the office.

2375
02:12:59,760 --> 02:13:01,680
Speaker 1: And a lot of the hunting we're doing is is

2376
02:13:02,080 --> 02:13:05,040
Speaker 1: alone or just with someone under your own roof. So

2377
02:13:05,080 --> 02:13:07,520
Speaker 1: it's just a different world. And I've been I've come

2378
02:13:07,560 --> 02:13:10,440
Speaker 1: to enjoy just hearing hunting stories because I think it

2379
02:13:10,840 --> 02:13:14,480
Speaker 1: it just helps with passing time and it helps remember

2380
02:13:14,520 --> 02:13:17,120
Speaker 1: good good times. And it was you have a particular

2381
02:13:17,160 --> 02:13:20,520
Speaker 1: turkey that you battled with and it either lost or

2382
02:13:20,560 --> 02:13:23,520
Speaker 1: one or or or you know a moment in time

2383
02:13:23,560 --> 02:13:27,320
Speaker 1: that that's a story you'd like to tell, you know,

2384
02:13:27,440 --> 02:13:32,720
Speaker 1: there's so many. Um, I don't know when I started it,

2385
02:13:32,760 --> 02:13:37,839
Speaker 1: but fairly early on. There's a metal thin, aluminum metal

2386
02:13:38,520 --> 02:13:44,200
Speaker 1: little label that, uh the garden industry uses to label

2387
02:13:44,320 --> 02:13:47,080
Speaker 1: roses and you rite on it with a ballpoint pen

2388
02:13:47,120 --> 02:13:49,840
Speaker 1: and it indents the metal and you don't ever lose

2389
02:13:49,920 --> 02:13:53,440
Speaker 1: the imprint. Yeah, the ball point pin may or may

2390
02:13:53,440 --> 02:13:55,680
Speaker 1: not put heat down, but if that goes away, you

2391
02:13:55,720 --> 02:13:59,200
Speaker 1: still have it. So I started taking my beers and

2392
02:13:59,240 --> 02:14:01,680
Speaker 1: putting a row was label on every one, and I'm

2393
02:14:01,720 --> 02:14:03,600
Speaker 1: in right down the day. It's something that would make

2394
02:14:03,640 --> 02:14:06,840
Speaker 1: me remember the hunt I've got. I don't know how many.

2395
02:14:06,920 --> 02:14:11,440
Speaker 1: I got three beds in a big, huge, old glass

2396
02:14:11,520 --> 02:14:14,800
Speaker 1: jar that was in a country store. Um there at

2397
02:14:14,840 --> 02:14:18,920
Speaker 1: my at my office. Um that that's not all on

2398
02:14:19,120 --> 02:14:21,520
Speaker 1: someimer here, But you know, grabbing one of those and

2399
02:14:21,560 --> 02:14:24,560
Speaker 1: trying I'd love to grab those sometime and go back

2400
02:14:24,680 --> 02:14:26,560
Speaker 1: and think of ones that I just don't think of

2401
02:14:26,600 --> 02:14:32,040
Speaker 1: every day. Uh. But one of the turkeys that that

2402
02:14:32,200 --> 02:14:35,920
Speaker 1: thinking of, I've just I told the story the other day. Uh.

2403
02:14:36,360 --> 02:14:41,000
Speaker 1: And I name um the turkey uh Mr Moss because

2404
02:14:41,000 --> 02:14:44,000
Speaker 1: he lived on a hill that was covered with Spanish moss.

2405
02:14:45,360 --> 02:14:47,760
Speaker 1: And he was given to me by the landowner. When

2406
02:14:47,760 --> 02:14:50,320
Speaker 1: I got to that landowner's house that morning to go turkey,

2407
02:14:50,480 --> 02:14:52,560
Speaker 1: and he asked me where I was gonna go. When

2408
02:14:52,560 --> 02:14:54,840
Speaker 1: I said, wherever you tell me to go, he said,

2409
02:14:54,880 --> 02:14:57,840
Speaker 1: well I know that, And um, I mean he's he's

2410
02:14:57,840 --> 02:15:00,120
Speaker 1: the boss. You gotta check with him, you know, tell

2411
02:15:00,200 --> 02:15:02,600
Speaker 1: him where you want to go. So he said, well,

2412
02:15:02,600 --> 02:15:05,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go down here in the swamp. Why don't

2413
02:15:05,520 --> 02:15:07,920
Speaker 1: you go over there on that hill where all that

2414
02:15:08,080 --> 02:15:10,560
Speaker 1: Spanish mosses. We've been after a turkey over there for

2415
02:15:10,600 --> 02:15:13,680
Speaker 1: four days and we can't do nothing with Well, anybody

2416
02:15:13,800 --> 02:15:17,080
Speaker 1: gives you a turkey and they kind of have him named,

2417
02:15:17,160 --> 02:15:20,200
Speaker 1: or do have him named. I don't know that that's

2418
02:15:20,240 --> 02:15:23,480
Speaker 1: a gift or not. But I was I needed some

2419
02:15:23,720 --> 02:15:26,160
Speaker 1: m R. I I needed some most recent information. So

2420
02:15:26,200 --> 02:15:30,800
Speaker 1: I said, well, that hill, you put gravel on that hill? Yeah?

2421
02:15:30,960 --> 02:15:33,000
Speaker 1: So you where are you? Are you driving up that

2422
02:15:33,080 --> 02:15:34,880
Speaker 1: top of that hill? Yeah? We drive at the top

2423
02:15:34,920 --> 02:15:37,920
Speaker 1: of that hill and we parked right there and he

2424
02:15:38,000 --> 02:15:42,640
Speaker 1: gobbles two ridges over and we want we go to him,

2425
02:15:42,080 --> 02:15:44,480
Speaker 1: and he flies then and goes the other way. Goblin,

2426
02:15:45,240 --> 02:15:49,280
Speaker 1: I said, okay, So I thought about it driving over there.

2427
02:15:50,400 --> 02:15:52,840
Speaker 1: I parked at the bottom of the hill before the

2428
02:15:52,840 --> 02:15:58,320
Speaker 1: gravel ever started the dirt road in my truck, and

2429
02:15:58,360 --> 02:16:00,800
Speaker 1: I walked up that hill as quietly as I could,

2430
02:16:00,840 --> 02:16:02,320
Speaker 1: and I got up to the top of the hill

2431
02:16:03,200 --> 02:16:07,600
Speaker 1: and I waited. He started getting light. No goble, no goblin.

2432
02:16:07,680 --> 02:16:09,720
Speaker 1: I didn't want to hoot some mornings, I just have

2433
02:16:09,840 --> 02:16:12,800
Speaker 1: a feeling I want to. I want an owl to hoot.

2434
02:16:13,440 --> 02:16:16,000
Speaker 1: And down here in the Southeast we have it was

2435
02:16:16,080 --> 02:16:20,000
Speaker 1: known as barred owls, and they can hoot in different rhythms,

2436
02:16:20,080 --> 02:16:28,960
Speaker 1: but typically one goes oh. And before long, finally a

2437
02:16:29,160 --> 02:16:32,000
Speaker 1: crow hollered, not an owl, and he got he was

2438
02:16:32,200 --> 02:16:36,160
Speaker 1: right there where Mr Hood said he would be. I

2439
02:16:36,200 --> 02:16:40,120
Speaker 1: had to go down a ridge and up a ridge,

2440
02:16:40,160 --> 02:16:43,240
Speaker 1: and if I topped that ridge, he's liable to be

2441
02:16:43,280 --> 02:16:46,000
Speaker 1: able to see me from the ridge he's on. So

2442
02:16:46,040 --> 02:16:48,840
Speaker 1: I started walking. It's gotten light. Now I can see

2443
02:16:48,840 --> 02:16:51,320
Speaker 1: the ground, I can see the leaves. He's gobbling. Good,

2444
02:16:51,720 --> 02:16:55,400
Speaker 1: hadn't yelped to him and done anything, And so I started.

2445
02:16:55,440 --> 02:16:59,400
Speaker 1: A man has two feet, just like a turkey. So

2446
02:16:59,440 --> 02:17:02,359
Speaker 1: I started walking in those leaves, just like a turkey.

2447
02:17:02,680 --> 02:17:05,560
Speaker 1: And after about two or three steps, I stopped. My

2448
02:17:05,760 --> 02:17:08,800
Speaker 1: right leg does better than my left leg. I scratched

2449
02:17:08,800 --> 02:17:12,240
Speaker 1: the leaves and scratched those leaves back. There's no way

2450
02:17:12,280 --> 02:17:14,600
Speaker 1: to be quiet. So if you're gonna walk in the leaves,

2451
02:17:14,600 --> 02:17:17,960
Speaker 1: you might as well sound like a turkey. He really

2452
02:17:18,000 --> 02:17:23,200
Speaker 1: started gotting. I got to that ridge before I got

2453
02:17:23,240 --> 02:17:26,120
Speaker 1: to high on it. Uh, I said, I just, I

2454
02:17:26,200 --> 02:17:29,960
Speaker 1: just I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be below him. That's

2455
02:17:30,000 --> 02:17:33,120
Speaker 1: not good. I just don't have any other way to

2456
02:17:33,200 --> 02:17:36,240
Speaker 1: do this, And so I kind of backed up, and

2457
02:17:36,280 --> 02:17:38,320
Speaker 1: that really kind of think helped because I had to

2458
02:17:38,360 --> 02:17:40,680
Speaker 1: make some noise in the leaves and scratch, and I

2459
02:17:40,720 --> 02:17:45,120
Speaker 1: got to where he could come down the heel a

2460
02:17:45,160 --> 02:17:47,120
Speaker 1: little bit to me. If he came up to the

2461
02:17:47,120 --> 02:17:50,480
Speaker 1: top of that ridge and and he had distance enough,

2462
02:17:50,560 --> 02:17:53,120
Speaker 1: I felt like, maybe he'll feel safe before he starts

2463
02:17:53,120 --> 02:17:58,280
Speaker 1: coming up to me. Well, he's gotten good. I ain't

2464
02:17:58,400 --> 02:18:03,440
Speaker 1: said a word, but I've walked in those leaves. It's

2465
02:18:03,480 --> 02:18:07,200
Speaker 1: all I've done. So I find you sat Steel. He's goblin.

2466
02:18:07,280 --> 02:18:10,120
Speaker 1: He's goblin. Ain't said nothing to him, but he knows

2467
02:18:10,120 --> 02:18:11,920
Speaker 1: the turns. I made a call in my call is

2468
02:18:11,959 --> 02:18:14,240
Speaker 1: walking into the leaves and scratching. All of a sudden,

2469
02:18:14,240 --> 02:18:16,480
Speaker 1: I heard him take off that leam. I heard those

2470
02:18:16,520 --> 02:18:21,280
Speaker 1: big wings, and I looked up and he's flying over

2471
02:18:21,320 --> 02:18:23,560
Speaker 1: that ridge I was looking at from his the ridge

2472
02:18:23,560 --> 02:18:26,480
Speaker 1: he was on. He's probably three ft off the ridge

2473
02:18:26,520 --> 02:18:29,160
Speaker 1: and he lands in a tree thirty yards to my left.

2474
02:18:29,879 --> 02:18:32,120
Speaker 1: My gun is pointing where the goble is coming from,

2475
02:18:32,160 --> 02:18:34,800
Speaker 1: so he's he's forty five degrees more to my left.

2476
02:18:34,840 --> 02:18:40,040
Speaker 1: Now my gun's pointing straight ahead, and as soon as

2477
02:18:40,080 --> 02:18:42,360
Speaker 1: he hit the limb, he's about ten yards off the ground.

2478
02:18:42,920 --> 02:18:47,400
Speaker 1: He landed on the hickory lim a big old shag

2479
02:18:47,480 --> 02:18:51,840
Speaker 1: bark hick I remember, like Eric, and he as soon

2480
02:18:51,879 --> 02:18:56,520
Speaker 1: as he at that limb, he he goes, I ain't moving,

2481
02:18:57,560 --> 02:19:00,040
Speaker 1: I cannot move my gun. I can't do nothing. And

2482
02:19:00,080 --> 02:19:04,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. He goggles again, and then he jumps

2483
02:19:05,280 --> 02:19:07,760
Speaker 1: and lands right below that limb, just right out in

2484
02:19:07,760 --> 02:19:10,400
Speaker 1: front of that limb, foot on the ground, and I've

2485
02:19:10,440 --> 02:19:13,160
Speaker 1: got my eye cock to the left, Thank heavens, he's

2486
02:19:13,200 --> 02:19:16,680
Speaker 1: on my left. I'm right handed, and uh, I'm looking

2487
02:19:16,720 --> 02:19:19,000
Speaker 1: at him. He's looking around. He looking around. He knows

2488
02:19:19,000 --> 02:19:23,840
Speaker 1: that he in somewhere, and so he walked about five

2489
02:19:23,959 --> 02:19:26,800
Speaker 1: yards away from that hickory treat and he's in the

2490
02:19:26,840 --> 02:19:30,200
Speaker 1: wide open nothing that he can get behind real quick,

2491
02:19:30,240 --> 02:19:33,600
Speaker 1: because they ain't get behind stuff real quick. And I

2492
02:19:33,640 --> 02:19:35,800
Speaker 1: swung my gun and shot all at one time, and

2493
02:19:35,840 --> 02:19:37,280
Speaker 1: I was saying, we could kill him. But he he

2494
02:19:37,760 --> 02:19:40,039
Speaker 1: saw the movement and he just started making his move.

2495
02:19:40,160 --> 02:19:43,560
Speaker 1: But those number four comprecded number four is back then

2496
02:19:43,600 --> 02:19:47,280
Speaker 1: were they beat him to the trick. But that was

2497
02:19:47,320 --> 02:19:50,560
Speaker 1: a great rewarding hunt. Yeah, there's so much about that.

2498
02:19:50,560 --> 02:19:52,080
Speaker 1: I was listening to you tell the story. I mean,

2499
02:19:52,120 --> 02:19:54,640
Speaker 1: I could tell. I could tell that you're there. I

2500
02:19:54,680 --> 02:19:56,800
Speaker 1: was there with you what you're telling it because you

2501
02:19:56,879 --> 02:20:00,360
Speaker 1: just so many times you you have to be so precise, swift,

2502
02:20:00,440 --> 02:20:03,720
Speaker 1: that last movement, like I gotta swimming shoot, I like

2503
02:20:03,800 --> 02:20:06,160
Speaker 1: I described that, I gotta move that gun barrel and

2504
02:20:06,200 --> 02:20:08,720
Speaker 1: I gotta be I gotta send a payload his direction

2505
02:20:08,800 --> 02:20:12,720
Speaker 1: before he knows what's coming. And that is always so instantaneous. Yeah, well,

2506
02:20:12,720 --> 02:20:15,000
Speaker 1: I still get excited that that turkey we called up

2507
02:20:15,080 --> 02:20:21,160
Speaker 1: last Monday. Um, he's twenty yards and uh, I've gotten

2508
02:20:21,160 --> 02:20:23,720
Speaker 1: my gun on him. Cameras running right here on my

2509
02:20:23,840 --> 02:20:27,360
Speaker 1: right shoulder, and I jerked the gun and the gun

2510
02:20:27,400 --> 02:20:29,520
Speaker 1: didn't go off. I didn't I didn't even pull the trigger.

2511
02:20:30,160 --> 02:20:33,000
Speaker 1: And I went and he didn't see me. I'm going

2512
02:20:33,120 --> 02:20:35,400
Speaker 1: and I mean I moved three four inch more. You know,

2513
02:20:35,480 --> 02:20:38,800
Speaker 1: like like you novice, you've been doing this for a

2514
02:20:38,840 --> 02:20:43,119
Speaker 1: long time. You're not supposed to get that excited. Uh.

2515
02:20:43,160 --> 02:20:46,440
Speaker 1: And when that happened, Troy Roue has he's running the camera.

2516
02:20:47,000 --> 02:20:48,920
Speaker 1: He cut at him and made him gobble, and I

2517
02:20:48,920 --> 02:20:52,720
Speaker 1: shot him when he stuck his neckcad. Yeah, you know

2518
02:20:52,760 --> 02:20:54,280
Speaker 1: all these all these stories. So I don't know if

2519
02:20:54,320 --> 02:20:57,120
Speaker 1: you're like this. Since then we now know you're a

2520
02:20:57,160 --> 02:20:59,959
Speaker 1: fan of the Tenth Legion. There's so many quotes from

2521
02:21:00,000 --> 02:21:04,480
Speaker 1: that book, he even meeting Gott being so lucky last

2522
02:21:04,560 --> 02:21:07,800
Speaker 1: year to meet Colonel Tom. Yeah. I just he's like

2523
02:21:07,840 --> 02:21:11,880
Speaker 1: the narrator of my Turkey life when things happen. All

2524
02:21:11,920 --> 02:21:14,080
Speaker 1: the quotes from his book comes. I read it every

2525
02:21:14,160 --> 02:21:16,520
Speaker 1: year before Turkey season for the past probably six years,

2526
02:21:17,080 --> 02:21:20,440
Speaker 1: and all those quotes are just boil up. And you know,

2527
02:21:20,480 --> 02:21:22,560
Speaker 1: he says, the first time a turkey came to me,

2528
02:21:22,600 --> 02:21:26,160
Speaker 1: I was shaken, and the last time a turkey came

2529
02:21:26,160 --> 02:21:29,080
Speaker 1: to me, I was shaken. And if that never happens,

2530
02:21:29,160 --> 02:21:32,280
Speaker 1: is that's the day I quit. And I ain't quit.

2531
02:21:34,000 --> 02:21:37,119
Speaker 1: I ain't quit neither. I ain't quit neither. Well, well,

2532
02:21:37,160 --> 02:21:39,840
Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us. I guess you know,

2533
02:21:40,520 --> 02:21:43,080
Speaker 1: there's so much that that you've done over your career

2534
02:21:43,800 --> 02:21:47,440
Speaker 1: and hunting and and I guess you know, as a

2535
02:21:47,480 --> 02:21:49,600
Speaker 1: young hunter myself, I just want to thank you for

2536
02:21:49,640 --> 02:21:52,600
Speaker 1: all you've done, and all you've taught people, and and

2537
02:21:52,640 --> 02:21:54,879
Speaker 1: all you've taught me, and the inspiration you've been to

2538
02:21:54,920 --> 02:21:57,320
Speaker 1: so many, because I think it is can't be understated

2539
02:21:57,920 --> 02:21:59,800
Speaker 1: what turkey hunting is now that it wouldn't be you

2540
02:21:59,800 --> 02:22:02,280
Speaker 1: don't and off to all forms of hunting would be

2541
02:22:02,320 --> 02:22:05,640
Speaker 1: without without your company and your contribution. So thank you, well,

2542
02:22:05,720 --> 02:22:08,160
Speaker 1: your mighty kind thank you. It's been a joy of love.

2543
02:22:08,240 --> 02:22:10,840
Speaker 1: It's been been a work of love and a joy. Yeah,

2544
02:22:11,040 --> 02:22:13,480
Speaker 1: do you have Is there a way you would encapsulate

2545
02:22:13,560 --> 02:22:16,080
Speaker 1: your your career and your life outside? You know, is

2546
02:22:16,120 --> 02:22:19,320
Speaker 1: there there's some something you would want folks to take

2547
02:22:19,360 --> 02:22:23,199
Speaker 1: away from what you've done. You know a lot of people,

2548
02:22:23,280 --> 02:22:26,960
Speaker 1: you know, they you go to the Nashville Turkey Federation Convention,

2549
02:22:27,320 --> 02:22:30,600
Speaker 1: or you go to the r and BF convincetion, you

2550
02:22:30,640 --> 02:22:35,760
Speaker 1: go to some uh some grassroots conservational organization that you've

2551
02:22:35,760 --> 02:22:37,520
Speaker 1: been a part of or that you've you've been in

2552
02:22:37,560 --> 02:22:42,320
Speaker 1: that world, and it just seems everybody knows you and

2553
02:22:42,440 --> 02:22:44,959
Speaker 1: it is such an honor and it is so humbling

2554
02:22:45,000 --> 02:22:47,240
Speaker 1: because I am not the best turkey hunter. I'm not

2555
02:22:47,280 --> 02:22:49,920
Speaker 1: the best day, I'm not the best hunter. I just

2556
02:22:50,040 --> 02:22:53,440
Speaker 1: love it. I love sharing it, and God blessed me

2557
02:22:54,320 --> 02:23:00,039
Speaker 1: allowing me to make a living doing it. Um, I

2558
02:23:00,080 --> 02:23:03,520
Speaker 1: guess I just have to say that I'm humbled and thinking, yeah,

2559
02:23:03,680 --> 02:23:05,840
Speaker 1: well that's that's a good way to a good way

2560
02:23:05,879 --> 02:23:08,000
Speaker 1: to be and we can all remain that we'll we'll

2561
02:23:08,040 --> 02:23:10,280
Speaker 1: all have a good hunting life. So thank you will

2562
02:23:10,560 --> 02:23:13,119
Speaker 1: and hopefully we can talk to you next season. Man

2563
02:23:13,240 --> 02:23:15,800
Speaker 1: being good. Good luck to you man, thanks for all

2564
02:23:15,840 --> 02:23:29,080
Speaker 1: you do. Thank you will. Yes, sir, that's it. That's

2565
02:23:29,120 --> 02:23:33,320
Speaker 1: all another THHC in the books. I had fun and

2566
02:23:33,360 --> 02:23:35,600
Speaker 1: I'm having fun. I'm glad to be hunting again. I'm

2567
02:23:35,640 --> 02:23:38,400
Speaker 1: sad feel that you're not hunting and I'm looking to

2568
02:23:38,440 --> 02:23:41,920
Speaker 1: bring that two point five up to at least three.

2569
02:23:42,480 --> 02:23:44,119
Speaker 1: And I feel like you only put the point five

2570
02:23:44,200 --> 02:23:47,800
Speaker 1: on there to be nice to me. Is that true? No, No,

2571
02:23:47,879 --> 02:23:51,360
Speaker 1: I'd say point five is accurate. That's accurate. Okay, well

2572
02:23:51,360 --> 02:23:53,320
Speaker 1: we'll try to get it, get you a few more

2573
02:23:53,360 --> 02:23:58,960
Speaker 1: fractions on. They're coming up sometimes, but again they're like,

2574
02:23:59,320 --> 02:24:01,280
Speaker 1: I don't know why, and Phil, maybe you have to

2575
02:24:01,320 --> 02:24:05,080
Speaker 1: become a deer hunter now. It's it's an it's something

2576
02:24:05,120 --> 02:24:07,680
Speaker 1: to note that so many people that wanted to start

2577
02:24:07,720 --> 02:24:11,879
Speaker 1: their hunting career this spring or now without a without

2578
02:24:11,920 --> 02:24:16,200
Speaker 1: a hunter safety course, without a public learning of of

2579
02:24:16,320 --> 02:24:19,400
Speaker 1: the hunting trade. So it's, uh, that's just another one

2580
02:24:19,400 --> 02:24:24,320
Speaker 1: of the many difficulties of this quarantine time, so very interesting.

2581
02:24:24,600 --> 02:24:27,120
Speaker 1: But I will tell you, Phil, you I want to

2582
02:24:27,280 --> 02:24:29,199
Speaker 1: see if you're excited for next week. You know who's

2583
02:24:29,240 --> 02:24:32,600
Speaker 1: coming up next week? Uh? You know I do. Am

2584
02:24:32,600 --> 02:24:35,000
Speaker 1: I supposed to pretend like I don't though, No, No,

2585
02:24:35,120 --> 02:24:36,879
Speaker 1: I was just I don't know if you're paying attention

2586
02:24:36,920 --> 02:24:41,800
Speaker 1: to to our communications Robert C. Robert C. Jones. Oh

2587
02:24:41,840 --> 02:24:45,240
Speaker 1: my gosh, Robert C. Jones. I have been looking forward

2588
02:24:45,280 --> 02:24:49,080
Speaker 1: to talking to Robert C. Jones, Doctor Robert C. Jones.

2589
02:24:49,320 --> 02:24:52,440
Speaker 1: Uh since last summer when we had our first Vegan

2590
02:24:52,640 --> 02:24:57,920
Speaker 1: and Hunter sit down in California. Uh, and now Roberts

2591
02:24:57,959 --> 02:25:01,039
Speaker 1: coming back next week. I've been studying up. I've been

2592
02:25:01,080 --> 02:25:07,720
Speaker 1: sharpening my my mental acuity. I've been working on I've

2593
02:25:07,720 --> 02:25:11,040
Speaker 1: been reading dictionaries and thesaurus is. I've been thinking about

2594
02:25:11,920 --> 02:25:14,200
Speaker 1: why we hunt and the ethics around it, and how

2595
02:25:14,240 --> 02:25:16,320
Speaker 1: I would explain it to other people. And I can't

2596
02:25:16,320 --> 02:25:22,520
Speaker 1: wait to test those abilities on Robert and his philosophy

2597
02:25:22,520 --> 02:25:25,720
Speaker 1: background and his veganism background and animal rights background. So

2598
02:25:25,760 --> 02:25:29,240
Speaker 1: if you like that podcast last year, you're gonna like

2599
02:25:29,320 --> 02:25:32,680
Speaker 1: this one. It's coming up next time on th HC.

2600
02:25:32,959 --> 02:25:48,400
Speaker 1: Stick with Us say bye Phil, goodbye, Hey Phil. You

2601
02:25:48,480 --> 02:25:51,640
Speaker 1: know guess what? Man? Oh? What's that? You know what

2602
02:25:51,720 --> 02:25:57,440
Speaker 1: I watched last night? Um? Iron Man too? No, I

2603
02:25:57,560 --> 02:26:01,879
Speaker 1: watched Star Wars the Rise of Skywalker. Oh that's a

2604
02:26:01,879 --> 02:26:06,640
Speaker 1: pretty bad movie. You like, it's awful? Do you feel

2605
02:26:06,640 --> 02:26:08,280
Speaker 1: like it was all? Where did you rank it in

2606
02:26:08,320 --> 02:26:09,959
Speaker 1: your rankings? Or had it not come out when you

2607
02:26:10,320 --> 02:26:11,800
Speaker 1: had not come out yet, it would be near the

2608
02:26:11,800 --> 02:26:16,080
Speaker 1: bottom though maybe the I mean having like I've watched

2609
02:26:16,120 --> 02:26:18,960
Speaker 1: all the Star Wars, I'm not anywhere near your fandom level.

2610
02:26:19,320 --> 02:26:21,360
Speaker 1: But wholly was that a steam and pile of ship?

2611
02:26:21,920 --> 02:26:24,039
Speaker 1: It was? It was very bad. I could go I

2612
02:26:24,040 --> 02:26:26,160
Speaker 1: could go in depth into why it was bad, but

2613
02:26:26,320 --> 02:26:30,440
Speaker 1: that would take minutes. It's good that like a super

2614
02:26:30,480 --> 02:26:32,959
Speaker 1: fan like yourself knows it's bad. I just as somebody

2615
02:26:33,080 --> 02:26:37,039
Speaker 1: likes likes good material, likes good content. It was bad,

2616
02:26:37,800 --> 02:26:42,640
Speaker 1: and I halfway through I started to think millions of

2617
02:26:42,680 --> 02:26:47,080
Speaker 1: dollars went into this, Many many, many smart people worked

2618
02:26:47,120 --> 02:26:51,560
Speaker 1: on this, Like many people with eyes and ears watched

2619
02:26:51,600 --> 02:26:54,000
Speaker 1: it before they they like put it out to the world.

2620
02:26:54,879 --> 02:26:58,920
Speaker 1: How could it get How could it be that bad? Ben?

2621
02:26:58,959 --> 02:27:00,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this at the dead speak,

2622
02:27:03,400 --> 02:27:07,320
Speaker 1: what's that means that inside? Is that from the movie?

2623
02:27:08,320 --> 02:27:10,879
Speaker 1: Why did why? It was like the most convenient plot

2624
02:27:10,920 --> 02:27:13,600
Speaker 1: tie ups ever. They were just like, he's back from

2625
02:27:13,600 --> 02:27:18,560
Speaker 1: the dead. They're like, well, what, somehow, somehow Palpatine is back.

2626
02:27:18,720 --> 02:27:22,440
Speaker 1: We don't know how we're going. We're not going to

2627
02:27:22,480 --> 02:27:24,800
Speaker 1: explain it. They never in the beginning. I'm like, well,

2628
02:27:25,000 --> 02:27:27,879
Speaker 1: that'll be cool the whole movie. They'll work at explaining

2629
02:27:27,879 --> 02:27:31,280
Speaker 1: how he just came back from from the dead. No,

2630
02:27:31,560 --> 02:27:34,280
Speaker 1: that does out better. And then at the end they're like,

2631
02:27:34,320 --> 02:27:36,320
Speaker 1: in an area I don't care about spoilers, so fuck it.

2632
02:27:36,680 --> 02:27:40,160
Speaker 1: Like they're in an arena. There's like thousands of of

2633
02:27:40,200 --> 02:27:43,360
Speaker 1: Like what are they? Nobody knows because they didn't explain it.

2634
02:27:43,800 --> 02:27:46,840
Speaker 1: Where do you get those people or Sith ghosts or

2635
02:27:46,959 --> 02:27:50,760
Speaker 1: Sith fanatics? No, yeah, where did you get them? I

2636
02:27:50,760 --> 02:27:53,040
Speaker 1: don't know. Apparently it took them just like a couple

2637
02:27:53,040 --> 02:27:57,200
Speaker 1: of decades to make thousands of of of star destroyers

2638
02:27:58,680 --> 02:28:01,480
Speaker 1: from the ocean. Where did they get the raw materials

2639
02:28:01,480 --> 02:28:04,039
Speaker 1: for that? The raw materials, the labor. I mean, there

2640
02:28:04,120 --> 02:28:05,600
Speaker 1: was a lot of people in that cause see him,

2641
02:28:05,640 --> 02:28:09,119
Speaker 1: and not nearly enough to build to build that many spaceships.

2642
02:28:09,600 --> 02:28:11,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. It was like as a narrative, it was like,

2643
02:28:11,800 --> 02:28:15,040
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, we we forgot to create a big,

2644
02:28:15,040 --> 02:28:18,080
Speaker 1: bad villain for the last episode, so we're just gonna

2645
02:28:18,360 --> 02:28:22,640
Speaker 1: actually create one and not even explain it because screw it. Uh.

2646
02:28:22,680 --> 02:28:25,760
Speaker 1: And then you know, I was I'm not gonna lie.

2647
02:28:25,879 --> 02:28:28,039
Speaker 1: If Chewy died, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

2648
02:28:28,040 --> 02:28:31,440
Speaker 1: I listened to take I wanted it Chewy to die

2649
02:28:31,440 --> 02:28:33,240
Speaker 1: because at least it would have been like, oh, at

2650
02:28:33,320 --> 02:28:35,680
Speaker 1: least they're taking chances. At least there are steaks in

2651
02:28:35,680 --> 02:28:39,240
Speaker 1: this movie. Instead, Chewy dies and then he comes back

2652
02:28:39,280 --> 02:28:42,560
Speaker 1: five minutes later. There was two ships, like where was

2653
02:28:42,600 --> 02:28:45,280
Speaker 1: the other ship? Where? Why didn't we see the other ship?

2654
02:28:45,520 --> 02:28:49,000
Speaker 1: How did we see that ship? And not? Anyway, listen people, Uh,

2655
02:28:49,120 --> 02:28:52,160
Speaker 1: this is the post credit sequence. Everybody didn't want. That's

2656
02:28:52,160 --> 02:28:54,879
Speaker 1: why the longest one. Yet it could go on for

2657
02:28:54,959 --> 02:28:58,120
Speaker 1: so much longer to anyway, I watched it. I've thought

2658
02:28:58,160 --> 02:29:00,840
Speaker 1: of you at the end because I felt pain that you,

2659
02:29:00,959 --> 02:29:05,720
Speaker 1: as a super fan must feel after being so highly

2660
02:29:05,840 --> 02:29:10,119
Speaker 1: It's like the most let down I felt for you. Uh,

2661
02:29:10,120 --> 02:29:12,760
Speaker 1: it was I felt a single to your buddy, single tier.

2662
02:29:12,800 --> 02:29:15,080
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry that they did that to you. Yeah,

2663
02:29:15,080 --> 02:29:16,920
Speaker 1: it's okay. I mean I groaned out loud in the

2664
02:29:16,920 --> 02:29:20,480
Speaker 1: movie theater several times. But you know, there's always the

2665
02:29:20,520 --> 02:29:23,840
Speaker 1: last season a Game of Thrones, right, Oh god, oh no,