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Speaker 1: This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

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Speaker 2: Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on

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Speaker 1: There's not got a free shot.

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Speaker 2: All these networks lying about the people, the people have

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Speaker 1: I know you don't like hearing that. I know you've

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Speaker 3: It's going to happen. And where do people like that

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Speaker 4: I wish in my soul, I wish that any of

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Speaker 1: Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

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Speaker 2: If that answer is to save my country, this country.

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Speaker 1: Will be saved.

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Speaker 5: War Room.

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Speaker 1: Use your host, Stephen K.

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Speaker 4: Bath back in the war room with the Great Stephen K. Bannon,

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Speaker 4: Dave Bratt sitting in today with Ban Harnwell are man

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Speaker 4: in Rome?

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Speaker 5: Ben?

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Speaker 4: You heard me going off on the Judeo Christian West.

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Speaker 4: I think you're reporting on Europe to day a little

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Speaker 4: bit and misinformation and the press misinformation all of course

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Speaker 4: depends on your point of view, and so Ben, what

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Speaker 4: is your point of view? Please share with us?

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Speaker 6: Well, I'm not going to follow up on the point

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Speaker 3: To financial interests.

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Speaker 6: Look, I did have a few things to say on Ukraine,

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Speaker 3: Precisely what he said is, and I have the full

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Speaker 4: That's been the life from Blanken and the State Department

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Speaker 2: That's where they bring folks up here. The King of

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Speaker 2: I mean, Sam, you've spent Sam, you spent your career

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Speaker 8: So Gaza is a non viable state under the control

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Speaker 8: Here's the problem, though, Steve, as you well know, but

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Speaker 2: There, Sam, Hang on one second. I just want to

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Speaker 2: Now we have three White House correspondents. You got Amanda Head,

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Speaker 2: you know this area and I don't. But aren't most

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Speaker 2: The President Trump and he up ended the apple cart.

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Speaker 2: He's sent you know, in the Ukraine with the deal

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, just first, I mean, Sam Pattis just teed

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Speaker 4: forty years, right, and then Hamas is being used by Iran.

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Speaker 2: the Egypt's been, you know, our ally President Trump cut

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Speaker 2: off I think weapons of the Middle East are all

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Speaker 2: foreign aid, and he didn't.

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Speaker 1: Cut off Israel or Egypt.

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Speaker 2: I understand there's some rumblings in Egypt right now with

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Speaker 2: this Kadza situation.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Sam, can you actually is.

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Speaker 2: It practical with President's talking about because he was Adam

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Speaker 2: and Essay says, hey, they're not coming back. You know,

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Speaker 2: I want Egypt to take a million, I want Jordan

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Speaker 2: to take a million.

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Speaker 1: Is that practical in your mind?

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Speaker 2: Or just Trump's changing the paradigm here, so people are

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Speaker 2: just going to have to figure it out.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think the key is what you just said last, Steve.

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Speaker 8: What Trump is saying is wherever we're going next, we

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Speaker 8: ain't going back. We are not going to go back

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Speaker 8: and just keep repeating this cycle of having this non

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Speaker 8: viable state, millions of people jammed into a refugee camp

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Speaker 8: under the control of a known terrorist organization, pretending like

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Speaker 8: we will live in peace.

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Speaker 5: So wherever we're going it's going to be radically different.

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Speaker 8: And I think that again as part of his genius, right,

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Speaker 8: is we're going to shake the situation up and we're

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Speaker 8: going to use our leverage. Will it come down precisely

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Speaker 8: the way he first proposed, I doubt it, But in

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Speaker 8: the process, by breaking the mold, I think we go

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Speaker 8: to something fundamentally different back. I mean, I know I've

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Speaker 8: said this already twice. That central problem is here that

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Speaker 8: all of these Arab states, while they will talk all

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Speaker 8: day about their love for the Palestinian cause and how

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Speaker 8: abusive the Israelis are when you start talking about putting

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Speaker 8: those guys in their neighborhood, they look at you with

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Speaker 8: a look of horror, and quite frankly, what comes out

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Speaker 8: of their mouths is what sounds like a lot of

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Speaker 8: really racist verbiage and essentially refer to these people as

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Speaker 8: animals and terrorists and know they are not coming on

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Speaker 8: our soil now, So it's going to take some big

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Speaker 8: inducements to get them over that. The US is really

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Speaker 8: going to have to make it worth their while.

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Speaker 2: Sam, I've got you here in Dave brilliant book in

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Speaker 2: Sam Today before the King arrives, although it is going

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Speaker 2: to be closed depress so real America's Voice where we

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Speaker 2: ate the footage as we do every day. And you know,

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Speaker 2: President Trump has a press avail every time. These are

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Speaker 2: called bilats bilateral meetings where a dignitary head of state arise.

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Speaker 1: President Trump goes.

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Speaker 2: In, takes him into the oval, spends a few minutes privately,

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Speaker 2: then brings the media in for photos. There's always questions

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Speaker 2: throwing President Trump normally engages with the dignitary. So in

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Speaker 2: Japan last week, by the way, Modi's coming. I think

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Speaker 2: on Thursday, that'll be a big deal too. Sam, you

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Speaker 2: wrote a book, was it twelve fourteen years ago? What

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Speaker 2: was the title of that book?

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Speaker 8: Beyond Repair? The Decline and Fall of the CIA?

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Speaker 1: Beyond and repair?

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Speaker 2: And how long will you you were a professional at

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Speaker 2: the CIA for how long?

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Speaker 8: I was undercovered CIA for twenty years and another ten

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Speaker 8: after that with other parts of the intelligence community.

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Speaker 2: So, Sam, when you wrote what twelve fourteen years ago

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Speaker 2: is beyond repair? Given that as a baseline, where is

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Speaker 2: the CIA today? On the baseline it was beyond repair?

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Speaker 2: They are a dozen years ago, sir.

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Speaker 8: So you know, leaving aside for the moment issues about

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Speaker 8: politicization and DEI and so forth, CIA basically hardly has

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Speaker 8: a pulse these days. I mean, if you talk to

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Speaker 8: guys inside, as I do all the time, the level

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Speaker 8: of operational activity, maybe they're moving at ten percent of

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Speaker 8: the speed they did when I was there, in terms

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Speaker 8: of numbers of assets and collection of intelligence. So this

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Speaker 8: is one of the great challenges, Steve, is that you know,

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Speaker 8: after we break the place and fire a bunch of people,

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Speaker 8: I hope and regain control and get them away from

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Speaker 8: American politics, et cetera, building a viable organization that actually

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Speaker 8: keeps Americans safe in their beds at night is going

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Speaker 8: to be a challenge. They're almost out of business overseas now.

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Speaker 8: They're really good at still meddling in politics in Washington,

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Speaker 8: d C. But you want to ask them what's the

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Speaker 8: exact status of the Iranian nuclear weapons program right now?

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Speaker 8: Don't don't think you're going to get much in the

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Speaker 8: way of grit or details.

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Speaker 1: Were they were they caught? Were they caught? Were they caught.

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Speaker 2: Unaware on October seventh? Was the CIA on top of things?

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Speaker 2: Or they they have partners in the Middle East? They

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Speaker 2: have Masad, they have was it shen whatever, the Israeli

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Speaker 2: military intelligence, which I think the insiders will say is

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Speaker 2: shin Ben is better than Mosad. You've got you've got

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Speaker 2: Egyptian intelligence, You've got Saudi intelligence, you have nbz UAE,

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Speaker 2: You've got some pretty good intelligence services. Or at least

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Speaker 2: they purport to be the elite of the elite. How

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Speaker 2: are all those elites, including CIA and D and I.

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Speaker 2: What's the probability because almost seems beyond comprehension that they

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Speaker 2: were all caught totally unawares of a ragtag Muslim brotherhood

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Speaker 2: Hamas that did ah you know, air Sea land battle

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Speaker 2: over forty miles, Sir, the at least took them two

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Speaker 2: years to train for.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it is almost beyond comprehension because again, and this

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Speaker 8: was a massive assault, so it's not like six guys

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Speaker 8: in a basement cooked up an idea overnight. Two problems there,

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Speaker 8: I mean, one is it's great to rely on the

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Speaker 8: Israelis or the Jordanians or whoever, but at best, at best,

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Speaker 8: assuming they're telling you the truth, that means the only

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Speaker 8: thing you know is what the Israelis and the Jordanians know,

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Speaker 8: So you need to collect your own intelligence in addition

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Speaker 8: to that, And I've seen this multiple times in my

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Speaker 8: career where we actually had a better sense from our

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Speaker 8: sources than the guys in the ground.

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Speaker 5: What's the problem with the Israelis?

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Speaker 8: I think the problem with the Israelis is this is

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Speaker 8: how we getting these intelligence failures. People at the top

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Speaker 8: had arrived at a conclusion that Hamas had walked away

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Speaker 8: from the idea of this kind of attack, and then

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Speaker 8: since the people at the top arrived at that conclusion,

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Speaker 8: then every piece of evidence that is provided to them

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Speaker 8: by intel, they cherry picket.

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Speaker 5: You know, we've seen this over and over. Right, you

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Speaker 5: reach your conclusion first, and then.

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Speaker 8: You look at the evidence, ignore what doesn't fit with

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Speaker 8: your preconceived notion, and the next thing you know, you're well,

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Speaker 8: if you've got it, you're getting a surprise attack. And

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Speaker 8: in the aftermath you look at it and you say, look,

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Speaker 8: there's stacks of intel here, man.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we can go back to Pearl Harbor this way, right.

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Speaker 8: The fact that the Japanese were going to stage a

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Speaker 8: surprise attack and start the war had been contemplated.

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Speaker 5: It for decades, and yet somehow we allowed them to.

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Speaker 1: Do it, and it had been actually gamed out. Okay,

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Speaker 1: a couple of things on this. Number one, the CIA.

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Speaker 2: The issue I have with it, having been inside for

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Speaker 2: a while, is that inside the government they're everywhere. In fact,

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Speaker 2: I would respectfully submit, by the way, I think this

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Speaker 2: the press maybe part of it being wrangled right now,

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Speaker 2: so we should be getting closer to the King of

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Speaker 2: Jordan arriving for an official visit with President Trump as

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Speaker 2: President Trump has put a twelve noon high noon Jerusalem

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Speaker 2: time on Saturday for the return of all the hostages.

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Speaker 2: Hostage Sam, he says, and Dave he believes they're all dead.

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Speaker 2: But he wants a full accounting by noon or quote

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Speaker 2: all hell is going to break loose unquote, He's ratchet.

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Speaker 1: It up a little bit there.

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Speaker 2: So the interagency process, right, which is the way that

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Speaker 2: everybody signs off on everything, and people should know that

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Speaker 2: that National Security Council they're secunded. These detail lees are

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Speaker 2: called US secunded, probably two thirds the seventy five percent

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Speaker 2: of the National Security Council, which.

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Speaker 1: By the way, folks allow those or hous in that

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Speaker 1: building you're looking.

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Speaker 2: Right there, that's the Executive Office building. That that building,

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Speaker 2: the Eisenhower Building is called that. What's really called the

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Speaker 2: EOB is inside the White House compound.

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Speaker 1: That's inside the gates.

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Speaker 2: In fact, Pennsylvania Avenue is now blocked off because of

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Speaker 2: terrorism potential, and you got EOB. That's where the vast

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Speaker 2: majority of the White House staff include the National Security Council.

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Speaker 2: Some of the top officials are next to the President

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Speaker 2: a couple or there are some down in the actual

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Speaker 2: Military Command center.

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Speaker 1: Most are over there.

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Speaker 2: The Interagency Process SAM is where I believe the CA

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Speaker 2: controls the deal because the CIA has people everywhere, DHS,

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Speaker 2: dj FBI, Defense Department is that always been the case.

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Speaker 8: Well, I think it has been the case for a

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Speaker 8: long time, and it's just getting worse all the time.

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Speaker 8: And they do exert a tremendous amount of influence. Not

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Speaker 8: they're pervasive, but also they constantly retreat behind this curtain

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Speaker 8: of that's classified. So they say things in meetings like

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Speaker 8: it's our assessment that such and such, and that sounds

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Speaker 8: as if it's based in something significant and carries this

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Speaker 8: weight in this aurror. And you know, in most of

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Speaker 8: those meetings, nobody then says, I don't stop talking to

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Speaker 8: me about your assessment. Who's this source that you're relying on,

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Speaker 8: exactly what is his access and how the hell does

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Speaker 8: he actually.

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Speaker 5: Know any of that?

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Speaker 8: Because in a shocking number of cases, what you're going

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Speaker 8: to find is you're relying almost on what we would

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Speaker 8: call rumant. You've got a source who heard it third

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Speaker 8: hand from a guy that may or may not be

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Speaker 8: telling the truth in the first place. But because it's

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Speaker 8: classified in their quotes, nobody can nobody asks those questions ever,

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Speaker 8: and it gives.

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Speaker 5: Them a tremendous amount of leverage.

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Speaker 8: I mean, everything that goes on with CIA in this

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Speaker 8: administration needs to get down to brass tacks.

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Speaker 5: Ratcliffe and company over there.

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Speaker 8: Need to be saying, stop talking to me about the

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Speaker 8: status of the Iranian nuclear program. Put your cards on

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Speaker 8: the table. Who are your sources? How did they know anything?

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Speaker 8: Why am I paying any attention to these guys? Who

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Speaker 8: where's what's the point of origin of this? Stop stop

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Speaker 8: speaking in generalities to me.

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Speaker 2: We are we are awaiting the King of Jordan, who's

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Speaker 2: going to arrive momentarily.

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Speaker 1: That is the West Wing.

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Speaker 2: That's the official kind of meeting place for dignitaries that

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Speaker 2: come to the West Wing. That's the honor guard that

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Speaker 2: always comes out in advance. So say the press has

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Speaker 2: been wrangled, so we're probably on the short notes, so

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Speaker 2: it's supecially eleven thirty running a few minutes late. Every

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Speaker 2: now and again, the president will actually meet them at

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Speaker 2: the residence, which is the circular driveway would be behind

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Speaker 2: your right shoulder if you're at the camera right now.

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Speaker 2: It's over the residences in back of us on this shot.

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Speaker 2: And every now and again he will meet a dignitary,

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Speaker 2: normally when it's some sort of state function, meet him

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Speaker 2: at the actual residence, which is a couple hundred years away.

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Speaker 2: But this is where mainly the business takes place. Sam,

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Speaker 2: if you were to talk to Ratcliffe, I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: it's a wilderness of mirrors. You taught me that the

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Speaker 2: CIA guys professionally are taught to be professional liars.

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Speaker 1: That's their craft. How's a guy like Ratcliffe? He's a

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Speaker 1: very savvy guy.

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Speaker 2: I think he's been d and I very highly regarded

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Speaker 2: by President Trump and very involved in this area for years.

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Speaker 1: How's a guy like that to survive?

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Speaker 2: Because you go over to CIA, I think you take

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Speaker 2: your own self and maybe a couple of three, you know, bodymen,

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Speaker 2: but you don't get to really take out that you

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Speaker 2: should or have the option, but you literally land with

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Speaker 2: a landing team that's a handful of people. So how's

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Speaker 2: a guy like Ratcliffe supposed to do the deconstruction of

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Speaker 2: the CIA?

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Speaker 1: Sir?

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Speaker 8: Look, I think he needs to start by and as

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Speaker 8: you suggested, this is a really difficult process.

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Speaker 5: You've got to start by.

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Speaker 8: Removing a number of folks at the top positions in

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Speaker 8: the organization and replacing them with his own people. And

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Speaker 8: if they're going to help you through the maze of mirrors,

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Speaker 8: they're going to have to be folks. They're going to

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Speaker 8: have to be folks that know the ground and know

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Speaker 8: the terrain and know how the place works. You know, Look,

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Speaker 8: we have catalogued you, and I have had his commerce

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Speaker 8: a zillion time, cataloged all the issues with CIA over

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Speaker 8: the course of years going back to the lease. As

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Speaker 8: far as Obama. The top ranks of that organization are

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Speaker 8: filled with people who were part of those scandals. And

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Speaker 8: even if they didn't actively participate, they sat and watched

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Speaker 8: and didn't do anything. Nobody resigned in protests, nobody went,

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Speaker 8: nobody spoke out. So if you think you're going to

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Speaker 8: trust those same people to guide you through reform, you're

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Speaker 8: sadly mistaken. And I would be very surprised that Ratcliffe

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Speaker 8: feels that way. He's no dummy, he's a sharp fellow.

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Speaker 8: So that is the challenge. You can't rely on those

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Speaker 8: same people and say, Okay, you've been here for twenty

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Speaker 8: years and created all these issues, now tell me how

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Speaker 8: to fix it.

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Speaker 5: That'll never work.

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk is a blunt force instrument. He's in control

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Speaker 2: of a blunter force instrument.

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Speaker 1: That'd be doge. What would your recommendation be?

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Speaker 2: Because they are looking to get into D and I,

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Speaker 2: which is the seventeen agency. CIA nominally reports them, but

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Speaker 2: they don't control of the CIA runs the deal. But

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Speaker 2: what would your recommendation be, Both of the DOGE leaders

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Speaker 2: into Elon Musk himself about what you would recommend he

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Speaker 2: would do with the intelligence community, especially the CIA.

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Speaker 8: Well, look more broadly when it comes to the intelligence community,

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Speaker 8: my opinion has always been could start by getting rid

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Speaker 8: of the DNI and that entire layer of bureaucracy that's

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Speaker 8: we added that after nine to eleven. It didn't fix anything,

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Speaker 8: It made everything worse. So you want to look for

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Speaker 8: saving a lot of money and speeding it up. Get

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Speaker 8: rid of those guys. In terms of CIA at one

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Speaker 8: hundred percent, they should go in there and be just

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Speaker 8: as direct as they've been everywhere else. They can get

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Speaker 8: people cleared to handle that stuff. And you're absolutely right,

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Speaker 8: by the way, I mean, CIA.

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Speaker 5: Doesn't really answer to the DNI. I mean it is at.

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Speaker 8: CIA, d and I is regarded as largely relevant. You

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Speaker 8: pay lip service. Somebody's got to go to a meeting

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Speaker 8: with the d and I. You send the person you

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Speaker 8: can spare from headquarters, the person who you don't care about.

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Speaker 8: They go down there so somebody can sit in the chair.

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Speaker 8: None of those meetings are taken seriously. So you're gonna

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Speaker 8: have to go right into CIA and wade in. And

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Speaker 8: I think you take a brass tax approach. You guys

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Speaker 8: aren't here to be a self licking ice cream cone.

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Speaker 8: Every dollar we spent is supposed to make Americans safer,

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Speaker 8: So how are you doing that?

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Speaker 5: Exactly?

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Speaker 8: Let's just start in a country anywhere, Start with a problem,

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Speaker 8: start with a target. How the heck is it that

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Speaker 8: four or five years, whatever it is, after COVID, you

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Speaker 8: still can't tell me where the frigging disease came from

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Speaker 8: with any certainty. How is it that you were incapable

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Speaker 8: of warning us about that. That's your real job, not

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Speaker 8: to do post mortems five years later, but to tell

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Speaker 8: us that they're developing a biological weapon. That's what you

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Speaker 8: were built for.

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Speaker 5: Why how many.

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Speaker 8: People did you fire after COVID and you didn't have

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Speaker 8: any penetrations of the Wuhan lab apparently because you provided

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Speaker 8: no warning. We're you know, that kind of approach, same

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Speaker 8: kind of approach he's taken over rare else.

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Speaker 2: Well, just think, Sam, just thinking, just thinking, the last

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks, what about the shot looks it's a spot.

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Speaker 2: Even if it's a Chinese syop, it is still a

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Speaker 2: sput nick moment. I mean, this whole controversy of AI.

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Speaker 2: Now you've got Elon putting one hundred billion dollars offering

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Speaker 2: to get open AI. He thinks they're incompetent. My point is,

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Speaker 2: hundreds of billions of dollars of the US government gone

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Speaker 2: in there. This is the modern weapon. As much as

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Speaker 2: biological warfare and chemical warfare, This artificial intelligence warfare is

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Speaker 2: changing the face of warfare.

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Speaker 1: How could the CIA?

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Speaker 2: My understanding is that our entire intelligence community once again

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Speaker 2: was caught by surprise by some advance of Chinese technology,

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Speaker 2: which was predicated upon stuff they stole out of American

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Speaker 2: universities and companies.

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Speaker 1: This is what drives me nuts. How do they answer that, sir?

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Speaker 8: I think the short version is they're not being made

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Speaker 8: to answer these questions, but they one should be right.

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Speaker 8: Let's go back to when I mean, in the aftermath

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Speaker 8: of World War two, when the OSS morphed into being CIA.

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Speaker 8: That's a little simplistic, but let's just go with that, Okay,

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Speaker 8: What was the central reason so that we would never

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Speaker 8: experience another pearl Harbor.

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Speaker 5: That was the reason for it.

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Speaker 1: OSS was set up.

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Speaker 2: That was a gentleman's That was while Bill Donovan, who

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Speaker 2: was a famous lawyer close to FDR. He put together

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Speaker 2: basically a group of action orient lawyers, investment bankers, principally

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Speaker 2: IVY league that would be some kind of you know,

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Speaker 2: league of involved gentlemen in World War two to be commandos, spies,

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Speaker 2: all of that. They had this kind of daring do

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Speaker 2: in legendary run in World War two, and then at

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Speaker 2: the end of World War Two understanding we had had

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Speaker 2: many intelligence phase folks, the intelligence failures in World War

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Speaker 2: Two were we're legendary and we had broken a bunch

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Speaker 2: of codes. The cryptology was state of the art, the

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Speaker 2: intel was not. We decided to do the wiseman decided

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Speaker 2: to put together CIA.

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Speaker 1: Is that basically the story.

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Speaker 8: Sam right, And it boils down to we will never

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Speaker 8: experience another Pearl Harbor, okay. Well, in other words, will

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Speaker 8: never be hit, will never be blindsided by a surprise

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Speaker 8: attack on that scale. Okay, Well, fast forward to nine

779
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Speaker 8: to eleven. What happened on nine to eleven we failed catastrophically. Now,

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Speaker 8: in the aftermath of that, how many people at the

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Speaker 8: Central Intelligence Agency got fired. How many senior level guys

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Speaker 8: were handed pink slips and told go away.

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Speaker 5: No, nobody lost their job, And we.

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Speaker 8: Added an in classic Washington fashion, we added another layer

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Speaker 8: of bureaucracy on top of this, created the d and

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Speaker 8: I built a bunch of new buildings and put a

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Speaker 8: bunch of people in front of flat screen computer screens,

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Speaker 8: you know, computer screens, and said that's how we're fix it.

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Speaker 5: Now, that's not what fixed is what fixes it.

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Speaker 8: What would have fixed it would be sources inside Al

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Speaker 8: Kaida in advance to that attack, who would have told

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Speaker 8: you what was coming and you could have stopped it.

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Speaker 8: And by the way, I have seen that happen on

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Speaker 8: the ground, I have been in places where I was

795
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Speaker 8: running shops where officers did precisely that penetrated a terrorist

796
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Speaker 8: group and you never heard about the terrorist attack because

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Speaker 8: it never happened, because CIA did its job.

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Speaker 5: But clearly on a strategic level, they are failing.

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Speaker 8: And that again, you can't you can't say to the

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Speaker 8: same crowd of guys that have gotten us there, Okay,

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Speaker 8: let's let's change things.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you have to start by by changing the folks.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's hit reset for a second.

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Speaker 2: That beautiful picture you see right there from our camera

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Speaker 2: of Real America's voice is that's the Executive Office building

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Speaker 2: on the White House campus. Right to your left is

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Speaker 2: the portico in the driveway circular driveway that comes up

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Speaker 2: to the West wing. This is the kind of the

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Speaker 2: form entrance for dignitaries and heads of state and important

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Speaker 2: people come and see the President. They go through and

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Speaker 2: there's a small reception area of the Roosevelt Room, the

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Speaker 2: famous Roosevelt Room is right next to that.

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Speaker 1: They're they're led right over to the Oval Office. These

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Speaker 1: are called bilats.

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Speaker 2: And short term bilateral meetings. The President does a number

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Speaker 2: of these normally VI's in town, maybe one a week.

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Speaker 5: And what they had, What.

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Speaker 2: Traditionally happens is that the dignitary rives, the President meets

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Speaker 2: them there in the anteroom, they go into the Oval Office.

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Speaker 2: They spend a few minutes together catching up talking about

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Speaker 2: certain issues. Then the President normally invites in the media.

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Speaker 2: It'll be selective. There will be a pool of media

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Speaker 2: that got you know, they have I think a couple

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Speaker 2: of hundred people now at the White House. As far

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Speaker 2: as correspondence and cameramen you know. More so a select

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Speaker 2: group comes in the pool, will come in the pool photographers,

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Speaker 2: the pool, videographers, the cameramen, plus what will be reporters,

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Speaker 2: and that kind of rotates every day.

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Speaker 1: You'll have some of the mainstream media.

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Speaker 2: You'll always have basically the Paper of Record, the New

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Speaker 2: York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, in some of

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Speaker 2: the big international papers, Financial Times of London, and of

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Speaker 2: course in a rotation you'll have our own Brian Glenn

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Speaker 2: and others from Real America's Voice in quite frankly, the

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Speaker 2: broader group of these new online services and podcasts which

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Speaker 2: are getting very prominent. President will say a few words,

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Speaker 2: the dignitary will safe words. I'll talk about some of

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Speaker 2: the issues publicly and how President's working things out and

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Speaker 2: they're working together in certain things. Then the press normally,

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Speaker 2: and President Trump does this. He allows the press to

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Speaker 2: answer questions and that gets a little that's like a scrum,

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Speaker 2: that's like a rugby scrum, because they're fighting to get

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Speaker 2: their questions in. Biden was always overwhelmed by that. President

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Speaker 2: Trump is a man in full right now, he's in

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Speaker 2: total command. I mean, yesterday, if you were with us

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Speaker 2: for the Evening Show, Brian Glenn and the folks who

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Speaker 2: are in the Real America's Voice team. We're in for

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Speaker 2: the signing of the executive orders to talk about forty

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Speaker 2: five minutes. President Trump had brilliant commentary on every on

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Speaker 2: every executive order plus sidebar, and he dropped a few bombs,

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Speaker 2: including what the meaning is today about Gaza in the

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Speaker 2: situation of the hostage. President Trump is laying down the

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Speaker 2: law in the Ukraine and in the Middle East. He

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Speaker 2: wants the shooting to stop, he wants the wars to stop.

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Speaker 1: He's there.

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Speaker 2: He's a president of peace and prosperity, and if he's

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Speaker 2: got to enforce that a little bit, he's going to

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Speaker 2: enforce it. So he's got his negotiators over in the

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Speaker 2: Ukraine right now or the Munich Security Conference. I think

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Speaker 2: Zelenski's going to meet with Jade Vance, Pete.

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Speaker 1: Hegxas over there.

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Speaker 2: I think there are going to be a couple other

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Speaker 2: cabinet officials, maybe having been an ownshere. President Trump's putting

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Speaker 2: a big deal as General Kellogg. You heard Ben Harnwell,

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Speaker 2: who's watching this wall to wall a few minutes ago.

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Speaker 2: Jordan Sam and Dave, as you know, is a whole

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Speaker 2: different deal. I mean, if you've seen the movie Lawrence Arabia,

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Speaker 2: that magnificent desert that first plays is all that's the

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Speaker 2: Jordanian As, that's right on the border of Israel. It's

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Speaker 2: absolutely a magnificent country. In fact, this royal family I

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Speaker 2: think has been there since World War One, Sam, I

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Speaker 2: believe the British installed them over basically a population that

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Speaker 2: was you know, Palestinians are the people from this area

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Speaker 2: of the world. That's why I think two thirds of

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Speaker 2: their population already or what we refer to as Palestinians.

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Speaker 1: President Trump says, hey, look, we're just.

877
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Speaker 2: Not going to reteave it. This is not internal recurrence.

878
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 2: We're not just going to do this over and over

879
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 2: and over again. I'm Donald Trump, I'm here for my

880
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: second term, and we're going to do things differently, right,

881
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: And he's saying, Hey, what I want to do is

882
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 2: have basically Egypt take a mayion, the Jordanians take a mayion,

883
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 2: and we're going to take what is basically Dresden in

884
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: nineteen forty five or Tokyo in nineteen forty five kind

885
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 2: of bombed out, and we're going to rehabilitate it. And

886
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 2: we're going to do a world city with this great

887
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 2: beach French property, and look, some people go, it's crazy.

888
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 2: You've had tons of local people, Sam and Dave, local officials.

889
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: I think that Jordanias said, hey, we don't know for

890
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 2: that excited about this. Unfortunately, I believe seventy five percent

891
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 2: of Jordan's budget comes from the United States government or

892
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: United States government affiliates.

893
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: So it's going to be a tough discussion.

894
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 2: Although President thinks very highly of the of the King

895
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Speaker 2: of Jordans, you know, Jordan's had a great relationship of

896
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: the United States for many, many, many decades. The President

897
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: things very highly of them. But this will be a

898
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 2: tough conversation. Will in not Sam Fadus.

899
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Speaker 8: It is going to be a very tough conversation because,

900
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 8: as I said, I mean, it's not just that the

901
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 8: Jordanians on some level don't like the Palestinians, which is

902
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 8: true unfortunately, but it's they've had their problems with Palestinians

903
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 8: causing violence on their soil. It's not a theoretical thing

904
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Speaker 8: for them. I will say, the Jordans have been incredible

905
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Speaker 8: friends the United States.

906
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Speaker 2: For real in the field, Sam Hamin a second, the

907
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: gates are opening right now. That normally means that the

908
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Speaker 2: Jordanian officials will be will becoming a moment, and Sam,

909
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Speaker 2: You're correct, they have been. They have been as close

910
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Speaker 2: as you can get an ally in that in that region.

911
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 2: They've been a pretty close ally, have they not?

912
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Speaker 5: Yeah?

913
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Speaker 8: There, I mean without going down roads that we can't

914
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Speaker 8: go down on air. I mean, when I was in

915
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Speaker 8: the field, our cooperation with the jordan Indians was superb,

916
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Speaker 8: probably on a par with the Israelis, quite frankly, and

917
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 8: way out in front of other Arab states.

918
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Speaker 2: So we should remember that, Sam, given you spent your

919
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 2: career a lot of over there, is is it in

920
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 2: worse shape today than when you started?

921
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: Is it the same? Is it better?

922
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Speaker 2: I mean, were things ever this bad? I remember when

923
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Speaker 2: you had the United Arab Memorer. You had what Egypt

924
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Speaker 2: and Syria were under Nasser. They were kind of split,

925
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Speaker 2: but you had Arab nationalism. Back when I was a

926
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Speaker 2: kid delivering papers, you didn't really have this radical Islamic

927
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Speaker 2: jihad and Arab nationalism.

928
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Speaker 1: I didn't think was is a kid didn't look that bad.

929
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Speaker 1: It is.

930
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Speaker 2: Look at the Arab people trying to become take their

931
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Speaker 2: countries back throughout the colonial powers and kind of standing

932
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Speaker 2: on their two legs.

933
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Speaker 3: Right.

934
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Speaker 1: You saw in North Africa, he saw.

935
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Speaker 2: The Algerians turfed out the French, the Egyptian eventually turfed

936
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Speaker 2: out the British, and you know the Suez Crisis.

937
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Speaker 1: Is it worse today?

938
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 2: Arab nationalism think of the past and really has been

939
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Speaker 2: replaced by radical Islamic jihad.

940
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Speaker 8: Well, I think radical Islamic jihad is the number one threat.

941
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 8: But you know what really strikes me, Steve, is that

942
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Speaker 8: when Trump left at the end of his first term,

943
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Speaker 8: we had the Abraham Accords, and we were right on

944
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Speaker 8: the precipice of ending these decades of violence in the

945
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Speaker 8: Middle East and really completely transforming We were right. There

946
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 8: wasn't a theoretical thing, it was happening, and in four

947
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Speaker 8: years Biden's policy managed to take that place to this

948
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Speaker 8: situation it is now.

949
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Speaker 5: I mean, let's keep in mind of you.

950
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Speaker 8: Looming behind all these other things we're talking about is

951
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 8: the fact that quite frankly, right now, either the Iranians

952
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 8: already have nuclear weapons or they stand on the verge

953
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Speaker 8: of that. So you're about to be witnessing a region

954
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Speaker 8: with radical Islamic jihad. And a whole bunch of nuclear

955
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Speaker 8: weapons poured into the middle of it if we're not careful.

956
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 8: And again, as I said earlier, if you're thinking that

957
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 8: American intelligence has such a good handle on that that

958
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 8: they can tell you the exact state of play in

959
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Speaker 8: that regard, you know, that's a fantasy. I mean, they

960
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 8: may pretend that they do. The bottom line is they

961
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 8: don't know that they don't already have the weapons.

962
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Speaker 2: You see, as much as Israel's fixated on Persia and

963
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 2: I realized the Persians are bad ombras I think the

964
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Speaker 2: threat in the region, I just don't think people are

965
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Speaker 2: getting it. As Turkey Ertawan, he wants to re establish

966
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Speaker 2: the Ottoman Empire, he wants to re establish the caliphate,

967
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Speaker 2: US to go back to basically World War One in

968
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Speaker 2: the thousand years before that. With Cutter, who I think

969
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 2: are the sleaziest guys there. They finance every you know,

970
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 2: they finance Muslim Brotherhood, they finance they do everything. They're

971
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 2: they're they're the nest of vipers and I don't care

972
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 2: how many people take money from them, right, They're bad

973
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 2: guys there that are that are the financiers of radical

974
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 2: Islamic jihad and and they hate UAE and they hate

975
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia and their partners that the financing partner Ertawan

976
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 2: and Ertuwan's mission is to take control of the two

977
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 2: Holy Sites. That's what the You can't be a caliphate,

978
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 2: a true caliphate to you control the two Holy Sites.

979
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: And I think this whole region is going to be in.

980
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 2: For decades and decades and decades of instability. As I

981
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 2: tell people, it doesn't matter if Israel was there or

982
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 2: not there Israel just another country is going to roll

983
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 2: up in this Uh that these people this this not Islam,

984
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 2: but radical Islam literally hates hates the West, hates the

985
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 2: Judeo Christian West, and and a lot of that I

986
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 2: think precedes this right. Like I said, when we took

987
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 2: over in sixteen and seventeen, Sam, we were doing kind

988
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 2: of the change over and looking in the head. It

989
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 2: was near Palmyra, which is in Syria, and one thousand yards.

990
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 2: You know, you had the Persian militias on one side

991
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 2: with HESBLO. You had the American special forces and CIA

992
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,439
Speaker 2: paramilitary with like the Syrian Free Army, and I thought,

993
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 2: you know, twenty five hundred years before three thousand years

994
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 2: before Xenophon.

995
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:26,760
Speaker 1: The Greeks, the Romans.

996
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 2: You got those beautiful Roman ruins right there, and I said,

997
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 2: it hasn't changed in three thousand years. It's either the

998
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: Greeks or the Romans, or the West and the Persians

999
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 2: on the other side. And it's just it's deeper than

1000
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 2: current politics. I don't think people understand how deep this

1001
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 2: is embedded into the region, that ancient history there is

1002
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 2: as relevant as something that happened on CNN last night

1003
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 2: to these folks.

1004
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 8: Sir, Yeah, Well, when I wrote my book about the

1005
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 8: CIA warren Kurdistan, about our experiences there, No. Two, No Three,

1006
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 8: I include the front page has a quote from Xenophon

1007
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 8: because it struck me when we were on the ground

1008
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 8: there precisely what you just said, which is man, people

1009
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 8: have been doing this for for millennia out here.

1010
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 5: I think your point on Turkey is dead on.

1011
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 8: My wife, who was a retired career CIA officer and

1012
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 8: obviously much smarter than I was pointing this out decades ago,

1013
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 8: and nobody wanted to hear from her that this guy

1014
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 8: aired One is serious and what he represents is a

1015
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 8: radical undoing of secular Turkey and a and the implications

1016
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 8: for this region are catastrophic.

1017
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 5: And she was dead on sure, and that's exactly where

1018
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 5: we are.

1019
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 1: Your wife was dead. Nobody nobody wants to talk.

1020
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 2: Your wife is dead on because he's a member of

1021
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,439
Speaker 2: NATO and wants to be part of EU.

1022
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 5: That's right.

1023
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to talk about it. And it's a ticking

1024
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: time bomb.

1025
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 2: And Cutter who everybody you know, they're they're they're in

1026
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 2: everybody's business. Nobody wants to talk about it, and so

1027
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 2: we can all look the other way. But I'm telling

1028
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 2: you you look to you know, the Israelis want to

1029
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 2: get it on with Persia.

1030
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: I got that.

1031
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 2: You know we should not be involved in that. We

1032
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 2: got to you know, that's a threat. But this region

1033
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 2: is going to explode.

1034
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 3: It just is.

1035
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: We're gonna bounce. We're gonna turn it over to the

1036
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk Show. Here in a mint real Comerks's voice,

1037
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 2: we are waiting the arrival of the King of Jordan.

1038
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: This is a very big deal yours, you know, past.

1039
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it would be totally ceremonial, but the

1040
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 2: feeling of the President that King of Jordan was so

1041
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 2: strong just to come by.

1042
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: Let's meet this is important.

1043
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 2: The President of the United States, Donald John Trump has

1044
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 2: issued basically a proclamation that at high noon on Saturday,

1045
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 2: Jerusalem time, if all the hostages, either alive or dead

1046
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 2: or not turned back over quote all hell or break loose,

1047
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 2: no one, President Trump. If I was Hamas and the

1048
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 2: Muslim Brotherhood or their paymasters in Qatar, I'd be paying

1049
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 2: attention because he does not, Sam As, you know, he's

1050
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 2: not put out threats idly. Sam, where do people go

1051
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 2: to get end magazine all your social media?

1052
00:54:59,160 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: Sir?

1053
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 8: Best place to go is go to substack and magazine

1054
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 8: at substack dot com, a n D magazine dot substack

1055
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 8: dot com and that'll take you every place I am

1056
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 8: on social media.

1057
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: Sam.

1058
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 2: You're an officer and a gentleman, and your wife is

1059
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 2: quite brilliant. I want to get her on here talk

1060
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 2: about Turkey. So thank you, sir, appreciate you.

1061
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 5: Take care.

1062
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 2: Dave Brett, what's your social media? Thanks for thanks for

1063
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 2: a subbing for me today. I had I had an

1064
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 2: appointment I couldn't miss. What's your social media?

1065
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: Dave?

1066
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you very much. Steve brad Economics on get

1067
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 4: Her and.

1068
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 5: Now on X.

1069
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 2: Dave, do you are you are you hopeful for the

1070
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 2: Holy Land, given what you're seeing, given this high noon?

1071
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: Basically promise, I guess President Trumps.

1072
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 4: Foot Yeah, I agree everything Sam said. It's morning in America.

1073
00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 4: The CIA, the Central Intelligence Agency, has missed China for

1074
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 4: thirty years, blanket in the State Department. It's hard enough

1075
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 4: running the world when your own team's telling you the truth.

1076
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 4: And so I think Trump surrounded himself the truth tellers,

1077
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 4: and so I'm optimistic.

1078
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 1: Amen, Okay, we're gonna turn it over.

1079
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk. Hear Real America's Voice, Jack Pasobi. Jack is

1080
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 2: traveling actually with Pete Hexath. It's a big one for

1081
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 2: Real America's Voice again. And the Human Events Daily is

1082
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 2: with the Secretary of Defense going over to the Munich

1083
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 2: Security Conference. I think Jack will be doing it from

1084
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 2: Germany today. We'll figure it out. We're back at five.

1085
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 2: Show is going to be packed wall to wall. We

1086
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 2: leave you now awaiting the King of Jordan in the

1087
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 2: West Wing. President Trump's ready to roll. Gonna be a

1088
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 2: pretty important talk today with one of our principal allies

1089
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 2: in the Middle East. Charlie Kirk will take it from here.

1090
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 2: We'll see you back here in the warm at five pm.