WEBVTT - #Throwback Episode - w/ John Singleton | (Ep.86) 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:06.680 Yeah, what's up, y'all was going on? Brother, He's a 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:10.040 legendary Queen's rapper. He is your boy in O R. 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:12.400 He's a Miami hip hop pioneer. 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:12.840 What Up? 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:15.480 His DJ e f n Together they drink it up 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:18.320 with some of the biggest players in music and sports. 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:22.080 You know what I mean, the most professional, unprofessional podcast 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:24.440 and your number one source for drunk facts. 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:30.960 This is Drinks every Day is New Year's Eats. He 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:33.760 hain'ts hope, Savia. It's your boy in O R. What 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:36.680 Up is DJ e Fen and his Drinks Dance Motherfucker podcast? 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:44.760 Right now, right now, we have the legendary a guy 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:48.040 that I feel like cinema should be handed to him 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:50.440 like period. Like when it comes to cinema, he has 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:51.879 to be the executive. 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:53.440 Producer of the word of the word. 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:56.320 Like when you look up cinema, it gotta be his face, 0:00:56.360 --> 0:01:00.520 gotta be right there. He's made legendary movies. He's got 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:02.840 to work with the legends of the. 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:04.280 Legend, made the legends. 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:06.479 He made the legends, put them when they first leve 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:10.959 but especially hip hop, when it comes to hip hop, 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:15.040 he was I feel like he invented this. I'm going 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.039 to take rappers and I'm going to make. 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:19.080 Them movie stars. I feel like he gives me some 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:22.280 other jobs. Right now, we got the legendary John. 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:31.560 Now, where did you get the love for developing cinema period? 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:33.240 How did that even come to you? 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:35.760 I grew up next to a drive in theater, and 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:38.880 I used to look out my window and let's to 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:43.319 see like Kung Fu movies and horror movies and Michael 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:47.440 Myers and stuff, and Blast protection movies. And I saw 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:49.080 Pam Grays titties. 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:51.800 And I was like, are you saying Pam's great titties? 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:52.520 Is what made you? 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:59.560 I gotta get I know that last what made me 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:01.000 do that? That's what happened. 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:01.560 It's true story. 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:02.400 I'm not making it up. 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:06.440 Everybody knows baby Boy was supposed to be a role 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:07.240 for Tupac. 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:11.440 Yes, how difficult was that saying that? You know what? 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:13.679 I had wrote this originally for my friend because you 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:17.800 guys was friends and he's not here. How difficult was 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:20.440 that to pick that actor, that Tyree's actor. 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:23.080 I put it up on the shove for years after 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:25.320 that because the last thing, last conversation I had with 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:28.120 Park was at the Chris Shawn Maul. He was doing 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:32.000 this video to Live and Die in La and I 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:33.400 was like, I got the movie. That's going to get 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:36.480 you an oscar, you know, and that was it. That 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:38.840 was And then you know, a couple of weeks later, 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:42.720 he wasn't with us anymore. So I didn't. I wasn't. 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:44.960 I hadn't planned on doing the movie at all at all. 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:49.360 And it just I know Tyree since he was sixteen 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:52.959 years old, and I dished this movie Shaft. He was 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.040 supposed to be Tyree's was supposed to be in the movie, 0:02:55.400 --> 0:03:00.840 but he was too busy being an MTV VJ. I said, Okay, 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:03.040 I got this movie. I'm gonna pull off the shelf. 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:06.000 And you know, you know, just like people have stuff 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:09.320 and files and stuff, I got movies and crates and 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:11.880 stuff that I've written. And I said, okay, maybe this 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:13.120 is the time to do this movie. 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:16.040 But by the way, Shaft, like when people do remakes, 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:20.480 it's very hard because and I can't believe how you pulled. 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:21.200 Off Shaft like that. 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:22.639 Yeah, it was, it was. It was good. 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:24.360 It was good to be in New York. It was 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:26.040 a crazy time to be too. 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:29.160 I was. We was in the heighest we was in 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:31.560 We was in harlew Over, We was all over the 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:32.160 whole city. 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:34.160 It was it was. 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:36.840 You know, you remember it was that was when I 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:38.720 was making that movie. We were the only movie that 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:42.400 was shooting at the time. It was like in the daytime, 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:44.400 in the night, I was shooting in the night, and 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:47.200 then sometimes at night I was up in Cheetah and 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:47.800 Central Fly. 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:50.400 Like it was first, what was the first thing I 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:55.560 said to you? 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:58.920 I was like, oh my god. But I was like 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:02.160 I was a wild person then I was I'm different now, 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:08.040 more conservative conservative movies. 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:12.920 It's movies like you have to go through something like 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.480 you know how sometimes comedians will come out with things 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:18.080 every five years because it's like they actually got to 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:19.560 go through experiences. 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.760 For me, it's for me, making films is kind of 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:26.840 an emotional experience. You know. I put my all into it. 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:31.520 I put my heart and soul, you know, and it's 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:33.800 just like it takes something out of you, but it 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:34.719 gives something back. 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:37.200 And every time I do a movie, it's an adventure. 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:43.360 So, you know, lately, I've been just like concentrated on 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:46.680 television instead of movies because people watching more TV than 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:48.839 there are films, and there's a lot more to do. 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.599 You know, like you can make it. You make a 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:54.840 movie every two or three years, but a film a 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:57.440 TV show, it's like doing a movie. Every week. You 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.920 get a chance to shoot, pull a new talent, put 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:03.320 people in and see how they work, and then maybe 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:05.200 if they work in the TV show, then you take 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:07.839 them off to a movie. So that's my that's my body. 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.000 And you feel the same way about writing and directing. 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:13.000 Yeah, yeah, I mean I have to write whatever I do, 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:15.720 I have to write. I have to write because I 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:16.840 have to put my own stink on it. 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:20.520 Now, what made you say to ice Cube? You said, 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:24.279 because because I remember you saying that you knew. 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:29.480 Thank you. 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:32.240 So you said to ice Cube, and just so you know, 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:35.160 it's a plastic on it, come on, help him out, 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:36.599 Come on, you're closes. 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:42.200 Let me show it over daily. I don't even know 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:42.719 how to do it. 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:46.839 But you said to ice Cube that his first rhymes 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:50.440 were like movie like so, and then he went later 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:52.239 on and created Friday. 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.360 Did you ever think that you you should have been 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:56.839 about a Friday as well? Yeah? 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:57.160 I did. 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:03.920 Let's keep his true story was cute. 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:06.880 When we were doing Boys in the Hood, he started 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:10.200 like looking at how movies were made, watching the set, 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:12.640 so that he did a video called Dead Homies. 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:15.600 You've seen that video. It's really cinematic. 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:19.080 He started like doing slow ust shots and really cinematic stuff. 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:20.880 And you know, even when Cube had other. 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:24.279 People direct to move the videos, he would be quasi directed. 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.719 So then he was like, okay, I want to write movies. 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:29.960 I said, well, okay, we gotta get a laptop. He 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:32.479 me him and his now wife when she was just 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:39.159 founcing and going to laptop's a screenwriting stuff. So he started, 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:42.200 he wrote. He wrote from that. The next year and 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:45.520 a half, he wrote like three screenplays. He wrote different 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:47.400 titles and screenplays, and every one of them I was 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:48.440 like this one no. 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.039 And then he stopped showing me his screenplays. Wow. So 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:53.880 then he wrote because I kept shitting on him a 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:54.200 little bit. 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:58.279 I was because it's my brother, right, you could do 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:01.360 better than this, right. And then but he was also 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:04.159 selling them too. You know, it didn't matter if I 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:07.719 thought there was happening. He sold some stuff to Universal. 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:11.680 He was selling like right after that we got produced, 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.520 he was just selling screenplays. And then so then he 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:18.040 did he we do we do higher learning together. And 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.280 then he's like, I'm doing this other movie, I said, 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.160 and he's like, and it's like, okay. But but he 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:26.760 started Friday out independently and put it on Money Up Friday, 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.760 and the new line was like, we want to help you. 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:31.120 And I was like, if pe would have told me that, 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.960 I would like everything in it, because it was like, 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:36.239 you know, when he finally got it done. 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.080 It showed it to me. I was like, it's gonna 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:40.520 it's gonna be huge, and it was you know what 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:43.680 I mean, are we talking about Friday Friday? Oh? 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:46.920 Wow, yeah, Friday? Okay, so Friday. You know he did 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.840 that all on his own. Man, he's you know, look 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:50.560 at them now, man. 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:56.800 Yeah. Yes. So now I'm glad you brung up Higher Learning, right, Jerry? 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:00.000 Because Higher Learning, I feel like, was a socially called 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:05.080 conscious movie. Yeah, we don't really have socially conscious movies anymore. 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:09.480 Are we missing that? We're missing a lot of things. 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:09.960 We're missing. 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:12.800 We're missing an era of John this is how we 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:17.280 do it, and drinks that's how we do it. So 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:20.480 are we missing social consciousness movies? I think we're missing 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:24.320 movies that about something. I think we need that now 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:24.840 more than. 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.160 Ever because I'm kind of proud of jay Z for 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:28.760 the Rikers Island. 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:30.440 That's nice. 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:33.239 That was that was that was beautiful. That was beautiful 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:35.520 for him to tell that story. And now him he's 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:37.840 doing the Trayvon Martin story. I feel like. 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.160 Doing a movie and doctor Trayvon mind and I think 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:44.600 that's really smart and and something that needs to be 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:46.199 done because. 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:50.080 We need that, like for our community, because I just 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:52.520 feel like it's balanced. I feel like level spell backwards, 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:54.000 this level we've got a balance in and I feel 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.360 like that's the perfect way. It's just it's because there's 0:08:56.400 --> 0:09:00.480 so many of us more in our community, what more 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:01.040 than they read? 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:02.400 Yeah, exactly exactly. 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:07.360 I mean, I mean it's what I do. I like 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:10.080 to do films that are like make people think, but 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:13.040 also entertained so that they have to watch it several 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:13.880 times and be like. 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:15.880 You know, did I really see that in there? 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:20.080 Hold on another time? So you know, even when I 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:23.040 make a film that that is really really has heavy 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:25.839 issues in it, it Uh, it's entertaining. You know what 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:28.200 I'm saying. You don't really notice, you know. 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:30.560 Now. Poetic Justice. 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:36.400 Roll ice Cube roll was originally to excuse me Tupac's 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:38.120 roll was originally Ice. 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:41.920 Cubes, Yeah, exactly, and Cubes Romance. 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:49.400 Okay, and why what Okay, at the time we see 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.600 Tupac and Juice, we see Tupac everywhere else. But what 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:56.200 makes you say I'm gonna make Tupac riding in a 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.320 male band with Jackson? 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:02.640 He killed it because I mean, you know, he was. 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:05.400 It's crazy because I didn't even give it a second 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:07.680 thought because you know, realized Pocket just done just it 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:08.800 hadn't even come out yet. 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:11.200 Oh yeah, but I heard you say you saw the 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:11.960 movie in advance. 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:13.720 I saw the movie, were in advanced. I said, okay, 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:17.160 this this dude. You know, I wasn't. I wasn't thinking 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:19.040 about him to be in Poor Justice. I'm still thinking 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:21.360 about Cube. I was like, we got to do something together. 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:25.080 So we chop it up just like you know. And 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:27.720 he just he just got back because he had gotten 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:29.040 too l a and I was like, we gotta do 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:32.040 something together. Someone Cube said what he said? I said, Okay, 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:33.920 I call up him and I said, you know you 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:35.679 want to do it? He said, yeah, yeah, I do it. 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:36.320 You know. 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:42.600 Now, Boys in the Hood, Boys and Hook comes out first, right, yes, 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:44.400 then Minister Society comes out. 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:46.679 Yes. I gotta ask a petty question. 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:51.760 What's the time, Like, I was that time between them 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:53.640 just so two years? 0:10:54.600 --> 0:11:00.240 Did you ever think like they could have exactly was 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:03.760 the huge Brothers? Yeah, yeah, we. 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:05.680 Never heard your side of the story because I kind 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:08.560 of felt like ship they just made there with that 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:09.040 movie too. 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:11.839 Well, no, they just made they made an interesting film 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:14.680 that was more violent than my movie. My movie was 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:17.880 my movie was I say, it was more kind of 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:23.800 embedded in what my personal experience was. In the studio 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.160 that made Mini Society said we got to have some parents. 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:26.840 The boy there was. 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:29.760 You know, there's a lot of movies, but in retrospect, 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:32.360 Minister Society is the best of all of those movies 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.040 that came after Boys, you know, because there's. 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.160 A lot of movies that they tried to copy. 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:40.440 It was like, you know, but but you know in 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:42.920 fact that my favorite character in a Society is old 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:48.280 Dog because he was he was like, right, no, Tupapa 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.160 was supposed to play this character, this other character that 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:54.320 another dude that was in Boysante Sweet played he was 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:55.320 a more conscious brother. 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:59.960 Oh that's right, Yeah, that was a teacher that was 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:00.840 Fox Roy Yeah. 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:02.640 Right, And then he had had court beef with the 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.080 Hughes Brothers and had. 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:10.559 The ill roll too. So so what is what what? What? 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:10.920 What is? 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.839 John Singleton? What are you sitting back and saying. 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:15.480 That you know that you didn't produce I know you're 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:17.560 doing a lot of TV what I was, But what 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:21.360 do you enjoy like when you yeah me? 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:24.559 I mean like in terms of like just life and. 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:28.240 Stuff, movies, TV. I know you're doing too much TV 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:28.920 to watch TV. 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:32.400 I'm just too much TV to watch TV. I don't 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:34.280 even get a chance to really watch my TV because 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:37.320 I'm making TV right now. I mean, like, you know, 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:39.480 I like movies and stuff and everything, but the movies, 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.000 the movies now are not you know, I don't feel 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:46.840 that they're They don't push hard enough in terms of 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:50.160 the culture as much as possible, you know what I'm saying, 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:52.320 You know what I mean, like in terms of mainstream movies, 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:54.920 you know, and that needs to be. 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:57.640 Done, you know what I mean, because like because like 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:00.440 like Boys in the Hood was so much of important message. 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:02.560 It's just like yo, you know, you can. 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.960 Live the street life, but there is actually consequences exactly 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:09.520 this actually, and that's what hip hop sometimes fails to tell. 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:15.680 We only always yeah sell the drugs. I don't know 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:16.720 you're gonna do nine years? 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:18.640 You know what I'm saying, Like nothing that at the 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:20.800 end of it, Yeah, exactly. No, I'm all about the 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:22.160 reality of it. You know what I'm saying. 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:24.000 What's that like your goal? 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:27.600 Because I know, oh wow, My goal was just basically 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:30.200 telling the story. I was just like, you know, just 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.840 like trying to get something off my chest. That an 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:37.800 experience that I lived, that that I lived through and 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:41.480 that a lot of my family and friends had lived through. 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:43.960 So that was always about what. 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.640 If ice Cube said no to play dough Boy, who 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:47.520 would have played that? 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:53.280 I don't know, I can't want to go there, think 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:53.960 of nobody. 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:55.480 Where would we be now he. 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:57.400 Didn't play the part man, It was like, you know, 0:13:57.760 --> 0:13:59.760 I think he was robbed of an Oscar nomination. I 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:05.520 think because it's one of those timeless performances that that 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:07.480 just exists. You know what I'm saying. 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:09.120 And I'm gonna be honest with you. When I look 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:11.440 at like, if I want to describe the West Coast 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:15.400 how I first visualized the West Coast, I would start 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:18.160 at Boys and I would start there and be like, 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:20.880 you're working around it. I actually go there first and 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:24.840 then Colors. 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.400 I cursed it when I was a school with pil 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:32.000 East Coast. I don't know that was real, No, but 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.920 it wasn't real. It was it was derivative. It wasn't 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:37.720 because it wasn't done by by by black people. It 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:39.520 was like it was like, you know, it was like 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:43.200 it was nothing about that that thing that was really 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:47.640 truly whatever. You know, like people were more caricatures, more caricatures, 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:49.000 they weren't real, you know. 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:52.480 And so you know, so now I got to get 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:56.480 to the million dollar question, what was that? Why is it? 0:14:56.560 --> 0:15:01.120 John Singleton directed this Tupac, Why you gotta I feel 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:02.120 like you got get another shot. 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:03.920 I feel like you're gonna get another shot because we 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:06.560 want the real answer, and I'm gonna take one with you. 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.240 I'm not gonna busy myself on this. And because you know, 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:14.840 you're gonna bring up we fashions and you know, and 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:15.880 everything and stuff. 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:19.800 Because it's documented that you guys are friends. It was like, 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:21.240 nobody can't dispute that. 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.280 Well, just say that the people that that got the 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:26.760 rights to do the movie, they had different ideas on 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:29.440 how to do the movie than I did. And then 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:31.200 that you're a part of it at some point, right, yeah, 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:33.880 it was yeah in the beginning, right exactly. Well no, 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:36.920 not as it came in through and everything. But you know, 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:38.960 let them, let them make the movie and let's see 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:40.680 how it does. And you know, let's see. 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:43.720 What's because you're personally involved. So does that ever like 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:45.880 mess up in your creative process? 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:48.520 Like you because I'm personally about that means I'm more 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:53.120 focused and more like, you know, I'm more like get it, 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:56.240 you know what I'm saying. Like that means I'm you know, 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:58.040 as I said, Bettt, you know what I'm saying. 0:15:57.800 --> 0:15:59.880 I'm down on the ground. I'm ready to shoot you. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.720 I mean, like that makes it more powerful that I'm 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:03.720 more personally involved. 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:07.480 And you know, if Benny Boom ever even met Tupac, 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:10.680 I don't know. Benny's my friend, my friend too, But 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:12.080 I'm just thrinking. I'm just I don't care. 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:16.800 Yes, boy, every time I say something bad about with Benny, 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:20.320 Cosby said, you know, so it's like, you know, I 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:21.320 don't even want to touch it. 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.600 Right now, let the movie come out. 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:25.920 Y'all make your own judgment what you want to say 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:26.600 about the movie. 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.920 But if you have had your choice, how would you 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:30.360 have done it? 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:31.840 Because I think I don't know if you've seen like 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:35.200 the Outlaw guys, he had just said something, Yeah, he 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:37.280 accused you of saying that he wanted you want to 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.000 put a rape scene of Tupac in there. 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:41.360 Yeah. Well, there's a whole lot of things that that 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:42.240 that they were not. 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:46.760 Having the movie, that that actually happened, that they weren't 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:46.960 want to. 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:48.320 We're not saying Tupac got rigged. 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:50.080 There's a whole lot of things that happened. There's a 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:52.280 whole lot of stuff. There's the stuff that why why 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.640 who actually was involved in his death? Why didn't die? 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:58.280 What I'm saying will delete up to his death, you 0:16:58.320 --> 0:16:59.920 know what I'm saying. Like, so I don't know what 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:02.040 they did with the movie. So you know, it's like 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:03.520 I can't even speak on it because I don't even 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:05.480 what they did with the movie. And I won't watch 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:06.560 the movie, you know what I mean? 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:08.840 But if you had your choice, how would you did 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:10.720 the movie? If you'd have had your choice, how would 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:13.199 you did the movie? How would I what did the movie? 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:16.439 Like I'm gonna say that over a podcast, Yeah, I mean, 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:19.200 I'm gonna make you know, make the right movie. I'm 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:22.360 You know, you gotta understand I'm and I don't want 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.720 to speak on this over and over there. I come from, 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:29.199 I come from, I come from. You know two. I 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:31.480 was born in nineteen seventy one. I was born nineteen 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:35.440 seventy eight. We are revolutionary babies. It's a difference between 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:39.879 being a revolutionary baby and being someone who's just hip hops, 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:42.480 you know what I mean. We were built, you know, 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.359 for the betterment of our people. We were built for 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:48.639 to bring everybody up, you know what I'm saying. And 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:52.000 a whole lot of stuff that happened, and in terms 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:55.919 of black liberation was faltered because black people were not 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:59.080 in solidarity with each other, you know what I'm saying. 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.359 So you know that's what I'm saying. 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:03.280 I don't want to be. 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:05.240 I don't want to be that person that keeps on 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:08.680 having dissension or whatever. They made the movie. They stole 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:13.640 the rights from his mother, so they made the movie 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:15.960 they want to make And hopefully one day I'll get 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:18.639 a chance to tell that story. But otherwise I got 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:20.280 all this other ship that I'm trying to do that 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:25.119 is is in line with what my principles are as 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.640 a person and as a black man and that I'm 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:29.800 gonna do. So that's that's all I want to speak on. 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:32.240 This' makes no noise for that. 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:35.960 You can trying to make a part movie in the future, yeah, 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:38.720 of course, or at least at least. 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:39.520 No, No, this has to be. 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:41.400 It has to be a movie. It's it's too it's 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:44.280 too it's too it's too important not to just make 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:45.880 a movie. I mean, like, you know, there's so many 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:50.080 different things around why who he was as a person, 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:53.160 you know, and why people can be inspired by it, 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:53.919 you know. 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:56.680 No, it's it's such it's such a great story. 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.240 So when I heard, like you know, when people have 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:03.000 differences with it, I always listened because I. 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:05.679 Never got to meet Tupac. Yeah, I never got to 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:06.280 meet Tupac. 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:09.440 Actually, uh, he actually hung out in my hood and 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:12.800 I was in jail, So I actually never got to 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:15.439 meet Tupac. So I'm always this is actually me as 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:18.240 a fan, like just asking. But now you also got 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:21.359 to work with somebody who's also legendary and who also 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:23.560 I think is innocent. O. J. 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:26.160 Simpson you got to work with. 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:29.960 I had to work with him. I met him before, Yeah, 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:32.680 I met him before, but I did I did an 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:37.480 episode of a show based on her people verse ojtly okay, 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:38.520 how was that? 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:38.720 Like? 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:40.919 It was good, it was interesting, it was fun. It 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:42.680 was like, you know, it was good. 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:46.440 Because he changed l A after that, well he changed 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:47.320 he changed culture. 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:53.800 Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, I. 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:56.919 Mean, I mean what I mean is like we just 0:19:56.920 --> 0:19:59.720 looked at l A like give me from this coach. 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:04.000 You the point of view were just like, oh, because yeah, 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:05.760 that's weird. 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:07.399 I mean, it was just weird. It was just I 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:10.880 mean because like we never knew we thought only our 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:13.920 cops is racist. We never knew that outside of our ship, 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:16.200 there's there's other people that's racist, you know what I'm saying. 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:18.720 Like we didn't travel, but after oh J, it was 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:19.720 like clear, it was. 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:23.320 Just like, holy moly, Walka, this is what is going down. 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:25.800 But I never thought o J did it. And I 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:26.720 met OJ as well. 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:32.760 When we met him, there was. 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:36.959 Him, you know, I met him twice, you know, yeah, 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:40.880 neighborhood he was at that time. 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:43.800 Yeah, and he was walking out the best bite. He said, 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:45.480 my leg is killing me. And I thought that was 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:47.280 the funniest thing in the world. And he said that 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:50.480 I don't get it. He was lipping something was wrong 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:53.720 his leg and he goes, my leg is killing me killing. 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:56.800 Yeah, bad, bad, But I just you know, you know 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:59.439 what it is. I hung around like real killers, right, 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:04.080 and this is always a certain instinct about it exactly, 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:05.680 and he didn't have it exactly. 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:06.720 He did not have it. 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:09.040 You got to say the story about when we met 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:11.080 him at the concert. What he said, You gotta tell 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:16.080 the story, please, like you don't co sign like talking 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:16.399 about it. 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:17.840 So what concert? 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:18.680 It was something? 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:20.440 It was a radio station, you know they do like 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:22.760 summer jams and the concert Fort Myers. 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:25.160 So my record La would tell me, don't stand next 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:25.720 to old Jay. 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:33.640 It's the oddest thing in the world. 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:35.280 Honest, this is crazy. 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:38.240 So we're all backstage with him and his boys and 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:39.120 his crew. 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:42.400 At that time was still his voice Murder Union Murder. 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:48.240 Oh j comes back, and everybody's like, let's take a 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:51.720 picture together, and there's this infamous picture and then when 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:54.520 he snapping the shot, one of his boys says, you 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:55.800 original union. 0:21:56.320 --> 0:22:09.040 He said, yeah, it was I'm. 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:14.159 You clearly remember I'm making this. I thought it was 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:18.159 me who said it. I'm just looking at him and like, 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:18.920 oh hell. 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:24.520 Yeah, but I'm honestly, I never thought to take Yeah, 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:26.560 and this is before Instagram, but we do got a 0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:28.840 picture that we don't have to pature that moment, but 0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:30.080 we got a picture that night. 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:34.119 No, you have a picture of when he said that, 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:36.240 ye to. 0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:41.160 But that was awesome working on. 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:43.720 That because you from you from that time, you live 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:46.800 through that exactly. So is it better for you to 0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:48.320 be passionate about the project? 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:51.600 It's much better for me to be like passionate about it, 0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:55.000 taking personal, like you know, just feeling it in my heart, 0:22:55.560 --> 0:22:58.040 you know, and that's you know, that's what it's about. 0:22:58.320 --> 0:23:00.359 Have you ever done something for the money? It was 0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:03.199 just like this is just for the money, yeah, you know, 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:04.880 but it doesn't work out, Like it doesn't work out 0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:07.159 too well. When I explain that to you, it's like, 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:08.080 it's just you have to. 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:12.879 Whenever you do something you know, artistic, whether or not, 0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:15.000 even if you're getting paid for it, it's better to 0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:16.720 do it for the passion of it, for the heart 0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:19.359 of it, and you really feel it that you know. 0:23:19.400 --> 0:23:22.000 It's just you know, in your blood, like you do anything, 0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:24.720 you know, you'll kill somebody if they fuck with your ship, 0:23:24.760 --> 0:23:26.879 you know what I'm saying, Like you know. That's that's 0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:29.119 that's how I am about certain things, you know what 0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:31.320 I mean when I'm doing something, you know, and not 0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:33.840 everybody's about that. People are just you know, they're just 0:23:34.000 --> 0:23:36.200 going about the jobs and you know, whatever it is. 0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:39.680 For me, I'm like, I'm like laser, I gotta get it, 0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:43.199 you know. I feel like I feel like I just 0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:45.119 I mean, I mean, you know, I know you for you. 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:47.720 I know you real drinking years. 0:23:49.359 --> 0:23:52.960 But I feel like I feel like that's what drives 0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:53.840 you is passion. 0:23:54.040 --> 0:23:58.200 First, you feel it in the work because you're watching something, 0:23:58.520 --> 0:23:59.040 you feel it. 0:23:59.119 --> 0:23:59.600 You feel it. 0:24:00.359 --> 0:24:02.639 That's why I can get people to do things that 0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:05.000 they would they would do with me, but they wouldn't 0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:06.399 do with other people. You know what I'm saying, Like 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:06.720 you know. 0:24:06.680 --> 0:24:10.600 Like scenes, baby boy, everything, you know what I mean, 0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:23.000 Like it's great. Now. Now, what was the moment in 0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:28.159 life that you passed on but you regret it? Like 0:24:28.280 --> 0:24:30.280 something wasn't that passed? 0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:31.760 Didn't you pass on the wire? 0:24:32.359 --> 0:24:32.560 Yeah? 0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:32.920 I passed. 0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:37.520 I just didn't think like doing the whole thing. No, No, 0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:39.600 the first season, I didn't. I didn't know it was 0:24:39.600 --> 0:24:42.000 gonna be what it was. But it But by the 0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:43.720 time it got into this like thirst season. 0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:45.960 I was like, wait a minute, because corners Corners came 0:24:46.000 --> 0:24:46.439 before and the. 0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:48.000 Corners it wasn't that great. 0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:50.240 Corners is all right, but it wasn't with the wire, 0:24:50.440 --> 0:24:53.600 it wasn't Why was the wire was lit? 0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:54.280 You know what I mean? 0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:56.040 It was lit? It was so lit. It was like, 0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:56.600 I really don't. 0:24:57.920 --> 0:24:58.960 Yeah it did. 0:24:59.280 --> 0:25:02.200 So who you get the for the while it's HBO. 0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:04.720 Or agent com music agent, Like, I'm not gonna do that. 0:25:05.000 --> 0:25:07.640 I was like, is. 0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:09.560 That the only thing you ever passed on? You regret it? 0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:11.800 Or the only thing I can remember right now? You know? 0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:12.679 You know? 0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:16.000 Now, is there anything that. 0:25:18.000 --> 0:25:23.960 Like, uh, you have a set out to do, you 0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:27.000 did it and then you was disappointed in the outcome? 0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:28.960 No, not at all. I mean, like, you know, I 0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:29.679 think my work. 0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:35.120 Is a thousands. We know that. 0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:31.600 We know that. 0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:36.040 Thousand right now? 0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:37.200 God forbid? 0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:37.520 You know? 0:25:38.320 --> 0:25:41.320 You know, so you know I'm still still hitting it 0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:45.000 really hard. You know, I'm gonna do you know, some 0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:48.879 more TV and top telling, do some more movies. But 0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:52.040 everything I do is gonna be real passionate and hitting 0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:52.800 it really hard. 0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:55.159 Now what do you like better? Though? I know you're 0:25:55.440 --> 0:25:59.160 doing the same thing TV TV thing. It's the same thing. 0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:00.960 It's the same thing that. Here's the same thing to me. 0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:03.639 You watch anything that I put this on TV. It looks, 0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:06.520 you know, like one of my more work. 0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:10.920 Now we got Rebel on BT correct exactly, and you 0:26:11.000 --> 0:26:12.399 got to premire for Rebel tonight. 0:26:12.520 --> 0:26:14.720 Yeah, another another episode today? 0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:16.600 Okay? And what does this act? 0:26:16.680 --> 0:26:19.240 So people couldn't know, Oh this is private? 0:26:19.680 --> 0:26:23.560 What what the tonight? Oh no, no, it's Air to Night. 0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:24.719 Is not Air to Night. 0:26:24.760 --> 0:26:26.600 But you know you say you do it every week 0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:29.320 before the joints, So we would like to get Oh yeah, 0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:29.720 we just. 0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:31.960 Have a little thing a z in lounge and in 0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:38.320 the in the valley on the valley, it's like so Lancasham, 0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:39.639 it's a little spot. 0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:44.119 So what's the next thing for black media? Like, okay, 0:26:44.480 --> 0:26:47.480 Birth of the Nation came out. It didn't work right 0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:50.800 because it felt like it was it worked. 0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:53.959 It just got squashed. It got squawhed, It got squashed. 0:26:54.080 --> 0:26:55.240 So what's the movie. 0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:57.800 Got squashed because they didn't want that movie to come out, 0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:00.560 you know with the Black Lives Matter and stuff and 0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:03.560 all stuff. That movie they squashed that movie, you know 0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:05.440 what I mean, that's the real time. 0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:06.080 It's very true. 0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:07.880 That's the real time they squashed a movie. And and 0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:10.480 black people are kind of like, you know, they have 0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:11.960 a complicit in squashing that movie. 0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:16.560 But as a movie director, was the movie? Uh good? Period? 0:27:16.720 --> 0:27:19.280 The movie was good? It was good movie. It was good. Good. 0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:22.600 You see the movies. I didn't see the movies you 0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:25.840 got see the other I've been running around. I've been 0:27:25.880 --> 0:27:27.680 running around. I ain't see my own movie. I could 0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:31.200 do all my own movie right now. But listen, man, 0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:36.040 we need more directors like you, right. We need more 0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:38.960 people who are passionate than they work. So so if 0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:41.800 a person is listening to this podcast, and if they 0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:46.240 that's their goals, that's their their their there, that's there, 0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:48.800 that's what they want to achieve, how do you get started? 0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:52.119 Because now these kids can just buy. 0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:55.000 The equipment, Like when you started that you had to 0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:57.240 be almost rich to get cameras. 0:27:57.320 --> 0:27:59.400 Yeah, but you have to you have to look at 0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:01.200 to do it really really well. 0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:02.080 You have to study it. 0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:05.439 You have to study what came before and in the 0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:10.040 style and tone you know, and and theme, and you 0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:13.840 have to like be well read about how story story 0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:17.520 you know people, you know, how stories propagate universally. You 0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:20.400 know what I mean in different languages and stuff, right, 0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:22.639 And that's what you know. That's what made me do 0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:26.399 what I create. And then you create your own style. 0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:28.920 When you went to film school though, Yeah. 0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:30.520 But before film school I was doing all that. And 0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:33.479 even after film school, I kept learning. I'm learning all 0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:34.320 the time, you know. 0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:37.280 So if a young directord director is sitting out there 0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:39.880 and they feel like they're creative, they feel like they 0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:43.280 can write, what's the first step you suggest for them. 0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:47.280 Uh, to watch all movies and watch movies from around 0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:48.719 the world. 0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:51.800 How far back you think they should watch movies to the. 0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:54.840 Beginning of cinema, to the beginning of the the moving picture. 0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:57.600 You have to you have to study it. Be a 0:28:57.600 --> 0:28:59.400 student of the game. Student of the game. 0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:05.880 Now you you rolled off Our Colors? Is American? 0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:06.080 Me? 0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:06.880 Real? 0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:07.560 Authentic? 0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:10.320 That was a great good I mean, I'm not saying 0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:11.320 that because I'm not. 0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:15.640 It's a good movie. How about Blood and Blood out 0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:22.480 that the colors of America? Colors are doing? Another cho 0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:26.360 another Come on, you got you going to a party 0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:29.080 on your way to you so rich man hear you 0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:30.240 got yachts and all types. 0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:34.480 Of things, and you know what you're humble god, but 0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:38.880 almost I'm a brag. I'm a brag for you, man. 0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:40.360 I'm a brag for you man. 0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:40.880 You know what I mean. 0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:41.800 We listen. 0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:43.320 I don't know if you know, but our show is 0:29:43.320 --> 0:29:46.120 about giving our legends flowers when they can smell them, 0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:50.560 and trees when they can hell them. Because our society 0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:53.640 so much praises the person after they die, and I 0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:56.960 feel like that is so backwards. I should be able 0:29:57.040 --> 0:29:59.080 to tell you how much I appreciate you right here, 0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:01.560 face to face and a man out of eye, as 0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:03.560 opposed to waiting for you to pass away and then 0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:03.880 be like he. 0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:05.640 Was a great guy, me and him party. 0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:07.720 Together back in the day, Like I should say that now, 0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:08.960 Like you know what I'm saying. 0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:11.520 And I actually learned that through Dave Chappelle. 0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:14.520 You know the way it was Prince and it was 0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:18.000 like he started praising Prince while Prince was alive. And 0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:20.000 it's just like, that's what we got to continue to do. 0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:22.560 And that's not just as a culture, that's as as. 0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:25.720 People as human human beings, as human beings. 0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:27.960 We got to start praising our people while they're here. 0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:30.280 So, with that being said, how was it working with 0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:31.120 Janet Jackson. 0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:35.520 You know, come on, it's beautiful. It jerked off the 0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:38.200 penny a lot. Throw that out there. 0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:38.680 It was good. 0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:41.800 I don't know, is that serious, that whole age thing. 0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:43.640 No, that was not serious. That was a joke that 0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:46.400 we was having on the set. Because the real talk 0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:50.520 is was attracted to Janet. I was attracted to Janet 0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:56.800 the world. We're in the set, we're both trying to like, 0:30:57.600 --> 0:30:59.600 you know, floodwater and stuff. 0:30:59.840 --> 0:31:01.920 I'm like, you know, well, I don't know if you 0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:02.520 know I. 0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:04.920 Should have you kissing on my actress because you know, 0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:07.200 you've been fucking around doing all this ship. You know, 0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:10.280 Pocket was just coming in his own man right, and 0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:12.280 I was like, man, that ship. I was like, yeah, 0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:13.880 you know what, you're gonna have to do a test 0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:15.600 for y'all do this left scene. It was a joke. 0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:16.400 He said that. 0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:20.240 You said, you know, it's me sawing out my nigga 0:31:20.240 --> 0:31:23.360 on the side right before, just like you know, talking ship. 0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:25.880 And then we're like, oh, ship, we should we should 0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:27.800 we should use this, we should put this out. 0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:30.320 And so that's what we did as a publicity that it's. 0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:32.120 A publicity thing. We just did that. 0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:39.120 But just like us Jackson about it was just us talking. 0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:40.400 On the ship, on the set and everything and this, 0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:42.360 and you know it was a inside joke, that's what 0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:42.640 it was. 0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:46.160 Now, not only did you get to work with Janet Jackson, 0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:48.920 he got to work with the baby. 0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:52.160 Man, Mike Jackson. Did he have a gloved warm when 0:31:52.200 --> 0:31:52.640 you met him? 0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:54.640 No, he did not have a guy's where he wore 0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:57.680 the old fuck like I ain't gonna lie, and he 0:31:57.720 --> 0:32:00.560 did he did. It's crazy because it's it's I'm always 0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:03.640 you see Michael on camera and I said he didn't 0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:06.080 talk the way that he talks, you know. 0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:09.560 And you're saying like Mike was a nigga, like was like. 0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:17.239 Different, different and everything that I'm just saying that just 0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:20.240 that was an expectation that he put on for the cameras. 0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:22.080 He didn't. He wouldn't talk like it. He was his brother. 0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:24.720 He was a different demeanor and everything, different demeanor and everything. 0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:26.320 It's just like, you know, it's just like hey, you know, 0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:29.719 and he was really despite what he you know, he 0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:33.239 ended up doing to his face and his skin got 0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:35.240 lighter and everything and stuff. He was a real brother man. 0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:37.280 He was really about black people. 0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:41.360 Because I heard that video he Actually that was after 0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:45.840 Magic actually announced and he wanted to do something. 0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:48.520 Mike and Mike wanted. Mike wanted Magic in the video. 0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:50.120 He said, you know, call him Magic. Let's get him 0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:52.120 in the video. Remember the time, remember the time? 0:32:52.720 --> 0:33:00.560 I hate that in my head, right, I couldn't have 0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:03.160 met Michael Jackson. I would like I would have gave him. 0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:09.640 I would gave him a five too hard, gave us 0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:15.080 the crazy Michael Jackson. Okay, so how was it? Was 0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:17.320 he a pure genius? Like was he everything? 0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:18.360 He was? 0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:21.080 He's damn near genius. I mean Daniel Jenius. I mean 0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:24.160 like you know the things that that that he did 0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:28.080 and that he and that he wanted to do and stuff, 0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:30.760 you know, like unprecedented in this business. 0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:37.480 Yeah, genius. Have you ever been starstruck? Yeah? Who start? 0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:38.320 I gotta hear this. 0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:40.560 I mean I've only that starstruck two times in my 0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:41.160 whole career. 0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:43.360 I need to hear both. Let's go for it. 0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:48.640 The first was meeting Steven Spielberg because it's like, you know, 0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:52.120 as a kid growing up, you know, like he was, 0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:55.959 you know, the the young person that went on to 0:33:56.000 --> 0:33:58.680 make movies at an early age, and I wanted to 0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:02.360 be like that just nervous, and you know, I saw 0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:04.440 him and it was as soon as I saw him 0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:07.720 and we met just it was like it was like 0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:10.200 you know, it was it was just great. 0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:12.800 You know, he's like the godfather and godfather. 0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:16.520 Of filmmaking and filmmaker. The second was what your prior, 0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:20.799 rich What did you mean which I member? 0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:21.200 Which prior? 0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:23.440 At the comedy store? I was I used to hang 0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:23.919 out to come. 0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:26.160 As soon as you said you met Richard, I thought 0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:27.200 the comedy. 0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:29.520 Store and so uh And it's funny because rich Par 0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:30.120 was hanging out with. 0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:33.440 A comedy club, was Hollywood with. 0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:44.759 Opportuna and your life is dope. And I'm like, let's 0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:46.640 throw that out there. I don't even look at opportune. 0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:50.600 I'm looking at much private. But Richard used to have 0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:52.960 this dude that worked for him. It came over to 0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:58.600 me and and he said, uh, you know, uh, Richard 0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:00.959 would like to say hello to you. And I walked 0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:03.719 across him and Richard was kind of frail. He the 0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:06.799 MS was getting him, but it wasn't as bad. It was, Yeah, 0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:10.520 it wasn't milchbot and he just said, uh, uh, you're 0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:12.160 a young man that made that movie. Boys and the 0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:14.520 hood just came out and I said, yes, sir, I am, 0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:17.440 and mind you because you like me. You listen to 0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:27.879 every Richard mama had since birth, curse listen to. He said, 0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:31.120 are you the young man that man the movie? I said, yes, sir, yeah, 0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:33.520 and he goes against me a hunt nigga. I just 0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:37.080 cried on the shoulder I saw, I said, because because 0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:39.760 this is a man. And then after that we became friends. 0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:41.399 I used to go up to his house. He said 0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:43.319 he'd be sitting up in the bed. He had a 0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:46.480 gun right by the side of his baby. This motherfucker 0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:49.680 got a gun right next to his bed. And every comedian, 0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:51.520 the Wayne's brothers, whoever it. 0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:52.400 Was, he bore guns. 0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:56.520 No, No, all these people would come through. They would 0:35:56.560 --> 0:36:00.399 come through every day to pay harmised Richard. And it's 0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:03.440 before he really got sick. So it's like, you know, 0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:03.839 we were. 0:36:03.800 --> 0:36:07.759 Just he was on his way to being sick, but 0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:09.640 he was coming to pay homage, just to pay. 0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:13.600 They know there was coming to homes because you just want. 0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:14.279 To be around with probly. 0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:16.319 If you want to be a comedian, you want to 0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:19.560 be around with pride. And so we were just sitting 0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:21.360 chopping up and he was just you know, he was 0:36:21.400 --> 0:36:23.960 just tell me, how about about business? 0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:27.000 How about that movie? What you should be a part 0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:32.520 of that movie? You can't do them all? Man would 0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:32.759 love to. 0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:35.520 I would love to, yeah, because yeah, he was. He 0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:39.759 was ultimate storyteller. And I still take a lot from 0:36:39.840 --> 0:36:42.799 him as a storyteller in terms of the way that 0:36:42.840 --> 0:36:46.520 he with Ben stuff, Ben lines, and he would just 0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:48.719 you know, he was the He was. 0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:50.280 The storyteller of the streets. 0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:52.120 If you think about all the stuff that Jose that 0:36:52.200 --> 0:36:55.600 you listened to him, they were really sad stories, some 0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:58.800 of them exactly. 0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:01.160 He was like Don Goring's pimple comedy. So people know 0:37:01.239 --> 0:37:01.799 how to do that. 0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:05.480 So when I take a lot from him in terms of, 0:37:05.520 --> 0:37:09.040 like when I tell a story, just stuff that may 0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:13.000 be a little sad but funny, funny but sad, you 0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:15.680 know what I'm saying, because that's what life is. Life 0:37:15.760 --> 0:37:17.399 is not just one thing, you know what I mean. 0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:19.000 We can go to movies and say, oh, that's just 0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:21.359 a comedy. All that movie is just a serious movie. 0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:23.840 When you watch one of my movies, it's a reflection 0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:28.200 of life. So I mean, Richard, Richard is an ultimate storyteller. 0:37:28.600 --> 0:37:28.840 To me. 0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:31.080 Will we ever have. 0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:36.040 A dope error like that again, like the nineties cinema, 0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:38.200 would that ever return a different way? 0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:39.759 I think we have a different way. I think we 0:37:39.840 --> 0:37:42.880 can in a different way. I think as long as 0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:46.960 there's been more voices that are really uncut and pure 0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:51.800 and just like, you know, not afraid to maybe necessary 0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:54.080 offend some people, you know what I mean, Like, you 0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:56.279 know that's what it's about. It's not you know, I 0:37:56.320 --> 0:37:58.319 don't think people push it as far as they can 0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:01.200 push it in terms of a of any anything. 0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:04.960 You know that it was Empire, like your first TV 0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:06.759 that was your first TV it. 0:38:06.760 --> 0:38:08.759 Was it was my first TV show directing on the 0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:11.280 direct Yeah. 0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:12.800 What did you work on TV before? Probably Empire? 0:38:12.840 --> 0:38:15.680 I mean I was on TV shows, but I never directed. 0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:18.080 That's the first one I worked on. But you know 0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:21.200 that came about because you know, without Empire, that would 0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:22.440 without me, it would be not. 0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:29.000 Get real talk because Hustle and Flow. 0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:33.880 Yeah you you invested in Huston Flow paid for the 0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:34.319 whole movie. 0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:43.680 Yeah, wow, that was Lee Daniels. No produce flow okay, okay, okay, okay, 0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:47.000 from to get the whole whole thing. So what is 0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:48.919 Daniels go to do? On Flow. Nothing. 0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:50.760 He made Empire. 0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:53.000 Okay, ter get. 0:38:55.080 --> 0:38:57.880 My veterans from Hustle and Flow to do a TV show. 0:38:58.040 --> 0:39:02.040 Oh that's with the relations in there. But we are brothers. 0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:02.880 You know that. 0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:06.200 It's beautiful to see us win and celebrate us winning, 0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:07.680 all of us as people. 0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:10.280 It's just it's about time. That's what this show is about. 0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:10.440 Man. 0:39:10.440 --> 0:39:11.520 This show ain't about you know. 0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:14.520 You go on certain you know, internet shows, and you 0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:15.879 can see negative ship. 0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:18.280 We just celebrate our people. We drink, we smoke. 0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:20.640 I was about to ask you you're gonna smoke, but 0:39:20.680 --> 0:39:22.279 I feel like you got sponsors. 0:39:22.760 --> 0:39:23.800 No, I don't sponsors. 0:39:24.880 --> 0:39:25.680 Feel that smoke. 0:39:27.920 --> 0:39:32.560 If I spoke too much. I want to, but you 0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:33.040 want to. 0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:37.520 I don't want you to, my friend, you take it. 0:39:37.560 --> 0:39:38.120 You take it, man. 0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:42.560 I just want to thank you man for being a 0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:44.440 part of this. You know, this is just just like 0:39:44.520 --> 0:39:47.600 I get again. We want to continue to celebrate our culture, 0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:50.640 our lifestyle, our ways of life, and just continue to 0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:53.480 get back to the community and just have fun doing it. 0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:56.200 It's so much you know, dumb ship happening in the world. 0:39:56.200 --> 0:39:58.600 When people turn on the news and you get sad. 0:39:58.800 --> 0:40:01.200 I would rather they turn on this and get happy 0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:02.200 happy yon day. 0:40:02.239 --> 0:40:03.440 You know what I'm saying, You're gonna put me in 0:40:03.440 --> 0:40:09.320 a movie or somewhere I get a roll, anything whatever. 0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:13.040 I'm just trying to get it. 0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:17.399 My friend. I'm like yo. 0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:19.799 I was like, yo, I gotta get in one one 0:40:20.000 --> 0:40:23.160 Like it's just it's it's that you called I M 0:40:23.200 --> 0:40:26.040 B M D. 0:40:26.120 --> 0:40:29.360 You know I'm a foul hobbywood. I need the I 0:40:29.480 --> 0:40:32.640 M B A D B No. I need more than 0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:35.840 my list. I'm good. I want to do East Coast movies. 0:40:35.880 --> 0:40:37.920 I want to try to play a West Coast crip 0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:41.640 mo on the West Coast. I did the Heart. I 0:40:41.680 --> 0:40:45.440 did Heart. You ever watched this? It's called the Seventh not. 0:40:45.520 --> 0:40:48.719 Just say and I played a black guy. 0:40:48.800 --> 0:40:53.839 I died as soon as the youth because as soon 0:40:53.880 --> 0:40:57.120 as chop my head off, I fucking chopped my head off. 0:40:57.160 --> 0:41:04.000 That's so black that you know that's a horror movie. 0:41:04.000 --> 0:41:07.359 You can we don't last horror movies in real life. 0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:10.880 I think I would SURVIVEDR Like, if you put me 0:41:10.920 --> 0:41:13.040 in some scary ship, I like, you know what, I 0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:15.200 rally at shot at though that's a horror movie to me. 0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:17.200 I rally shot at then. 0:41:17.040 --> 0:41:19.799 A snake chased me like, I gotta know, I got 0:41:19.880 --> 0:41:22.240 no experience in the snake chase like. 0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:25.440 I got you got that before. I know good behind 0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:28.240 the car wait, get. 0:41:28.080 --> 0:41:32.080 Your gold like, but now for snake chase me, I 0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:33.440 that's not my element. 0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:35.879 Like I'm gonna just be like, wait a minute. Hold, well, 0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:37.359 well I'm getting big. 0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:38.040 I'm dying. 0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:40.279 If a snake hit me, I'm dying. I got no 0:41:40.400 --> 0:41:44.320 experience with that. We got we gotta make real reality shows. 0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:46.359 You know how they got fake fair factor. We gotta 0:41:46.360 --> 0:41:47.280 make like hood factor. 0:41:49.880 --> 0:41:53.200 They got shot at some hood. 0:41:53.200 --> 0:41:54.600 Good if you want to be shot at? What is 0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:59.360 the internet to someone? Put me onto this. It's a 0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:01.680 little suspect. We're gonna have a real game. 0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:05.200 Put something where they do ghosts chasing and it's a 0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:07.840 little crazy. We don't have. 0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:10.960 Ghosts in the hood. 0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:14.040 We got we got a woman named Wanda that wakes 0:42:14.120 --> 0:42:14.680 up every day. 0:42:14.600 --> 0:42:15.600 And says good morning. 0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:19.959 That ship is the experience, you know what I'm saying, 0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:22.680 Like every every hood got a crazy person, right, Like 0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:26.200 every hood has a crazy person. The zombie now is 0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:29.160 the characters that you write, is they based on real characters? 0:42:29.560 --> 0:42:31.920 All to tell a lot of them and best especially 0:42:31.920 --> 0:42:32.440 the hoodie one. 0:42:32.480 --> 0:42:34.600 Yeah, exactly. There's so many characters in the hood. You know, 0:42:34.680 --> 0:42:37.040 you're right, there's always a neighborhood crazy person. 0:42:37.040 --> 0:42:40.879 It's always and everybody deals with they crazy like they like, yeah, 0:42:41.160 --> 0:42:41.920 that's that she. 0:42:41.920 --> 0:42:42.960 Does, like. 0:42:44.600 --> 0:42:47.680 Maybe one and then maybe on some days they're not crazy, 0:42:47.480 --> 0:42:49.960 and I don't feel like they're crazy today, like I don't, 0:42:50.160 --> 0:42:51.879 you know, and they don't be the. 0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:56.120 Best advice and you don't listen to crazy, yo, John Man, 0:42:56.160 --> 0:42:58.800 I can't thank you enough. Man, Yo, you're such a legend. 0:42:58.880 --> 0:42:59.080 Man. 0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:00.800 You did so much for this game. 0:43:01.239 --> 0:43:03.839 You did so much for the for for for hip hop, 0:43:03.840 --> 0:43:07.359 and particularly by you always incorporating a hip hop artist 0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:11.440 even you got method Man and Rebel Medicine, Rebel Rebel 0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:13.960 right now, and you also go the f X we didn't. 0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:17.799 Even in Snowfall. You know, it's a whole lot of you. 0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:20.880 Keep it hip hop incorporated. We appreciate that, man, because 0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:25.560 you all do. You're a legend, Yo. We're one of 0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:28.560 the best artists ever and you keep us alive and 0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:31.319 there's nothing And you also was the first person to 0:43:31.360 --> 0:43:34.400 put a West Coast guy and an East Coast. 0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:35.120 Guy in higher learning. 0:43:35.160 --> 0:43:37.960 And yeah, I don't know if you ever I don't 0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:39.600 know if you ever beat that. That was like the 0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:43.080 first that was the first union from the West Coast 0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:45.080 and East coast in the city because where was high 0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:49.799 and learning at actually at l it was in l A, Okay. See, 0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:51.319 we never knew that on the East coast. To us, 0:43:51.400 --> 0:43:56.000 we was just that was neutral. You got a West 0:43:56.000 --> 0:43:59.560 coast East coast. This is crazy, you know that, right? 0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:00.319 Yeah? 0:44:00.680 --> 0:44:03.600 You know, just my folks, just people. I was knowing 0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:04.719 at the time that you know. 0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:09.279 And I also hear that that that's how passionate you are. 0:44:09.320 --> 0:44:12.720 You like you like you like the Adam Samau Adam 0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:16.200 Sama always hired is the same crew you kind of 0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:16.960 the same. 0:44:16.800 --> 0:44:19.040 Crew you like to put you know, people I know 0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:21.319 and work people I know, you know, and we just 0:44:21.440 --> 0:44:22.480 we make something happen. 0:44:22.960 --> 0:44:23.160 You know? 0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:26.160 Is it easier that way when you work with somebody 0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:27.640 you know, because you know you can scream on him 0:44:27.640 --> 0:44:27.840 and you. 0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:31.040 Can just scream on I screamed on everybody, that's all, 0:44:32.200 --> 0:44:33.960 you know. But but what I do is I make 0:44:34.040 --> 0:44:36.040 careers though you know what I'm saying. When people work 0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:38.839 on me, they end up doing other stuff. Though that's 0:44:38.880 --> 0:44:41.680 not just a flash in the pan, get the latest 0:44:41.760 --> 0:44:44.800 rapper in the movie for the face look whatever like No, 0:44:44.920 --> 0:44:49.160 it's like people do, they end up doing other things, 0:44:49.160 --> 0:44:49.600 you know what I mean. 0:44:49.760 --> 0:44:50.319 I've been trying to. 0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:53.360 Get something for John singlet hen't come out of the 0:44:53.400 --> 0:44:56.560 socks line. I'm just wear it like I'm down with Singleton. 0:44:56.800 --> 0:44:59.480 That's my nigga. My brother, Thank you so much, my brother, 0:44:59.520 --> 0:45:02.560 be good. We got anything else? And and do you want. 0:45:02.400 --> 0:45:05.680 To come eat? They got it all man, We got 0:45:05.680 --> 0:45:07.200 it all right, yo. 0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:10.520 Man, this has been an honor. Man your first director. 0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:14.440 Verse for drink Champs, the first drink in the first 0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:17.759 direction to that, I'll take another one. God damn it. 0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:20.719 Don't don't don't, don't tell me they have a good time. 0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:23.840 And now you're going to going to premiere of Rebel 0:45:24.280 --> 0:45:25.200 also on f X. 0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:30.279 Red Rebel is on BT, Rebels on b T, Snowfalls 0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:32.920 or f X stuff All you didn't talk about stuffs 0:45:33.719 --> 0:45:36.439 saying Fall was about it's the beginning of the whole 0:45:37.320 --> 0:45:39.560 prat trade in l A, it's about cocaine. 0:45:40.840 --> 0:45:43.360 Tonight to day you got two shows A b C 0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:47.920 was the summer tonight, said ABC on A b C. 0:45:48.080 --> 0:45:52.840 To this is l a burning, a burning. 0:45:52.920 --> 0:45:58.560 Yeah, is it the anniversaryll do you realize how busy 0:45:58.800 --> 0:45:59.680 is you got? 0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:00.680 Other man? 0:46:03.800 --> 0:46:04.919 Yeah, let's make some noise. 0:46:05.120 --> 0:46:12.840 It's about the twenty fifth anniversary of the LA Riots. 0:46:13.360 --> 0:46:16.399 Wow, damn, it's crazy. It's been that long already. It's 0:46:16.520 --> 0:46:22.319 twenty five. That's after Rodney King. Yeah that is Rodney Yeah, 0:46:23.200 --> 0:46:26.040 Ronney King got twenty five years ago. That's rare. 0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:29.960 Yeah, a verdict yeah, yeah right, yeah, So let's let's 0:46:30.000 --> 0:46:31.560 break that down for the people who a quickly we 0:46:31.600 --> 0:46:32.319 get about it here. 0:46:32.239 --> 0:46:35.440 Okay, Yeah, it's just you know, it's a it's documentary 0:46:35.440 --> 0:46:38.480 about what happened and takes it from the street point 0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:42.560 of view of the people who basically are from South 0:46:43.640 --> 0:46:48.680 Central and uh, the Korean culture and the Latin of 0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:51.759 the people who were really scarred by it were in 0:46:51.840 --> 0:46:52.480 the middle of it. 0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:56.480 Okay, when you say Korean, the Koreans was riding to 0:46:57.880 --> 0:46:58.360 their business. 0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:01.880 They were defending their hysicists from being looted, you know 0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:03.719 what I mean, Like it was a war. There's a 0:47:03.760 --> 0:47:06.399 war zone, you know, like so but we we got 0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:09.239 you know, we got perspectives that no one else has 0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:11.799 in this documentary and what. 0:47:11.920 --> 0:47:14.400 Was the Latinos saying coming from just. 0:47:15.040 --> 0:47:18.319 Well the people in the documentary just they got caught 0:47:18.400 --> 0:47:20.319 up in it. They got actually you know, they got 0:47:20.400 --> 0:47:21.480 hurt by it, you know what I'm saying. 0:47:21.960 --> 0:47:23.120 But that's what I'm trying to tell you. Like my 0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:26.759 grandparents lived in Inglewood and they called me during the 0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:31.600 riots the blood no man, they blood right, that's not 0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:31.960 that's not. 0:47:32.000 --> 0:47:35.640 The truth mixed and they called me and they were 0:47:35.680 --> 0:47:38.839 telling me they were like, the Latinos are rioting too, 0:47:39.280 --> 0:47:40.560 because it wasn't showing it on TV. 0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:43.840 They made that riot pretty much a black lid and 0:47:43.920 --> 0:47:47.600 they were there more Latino was rioting and then the 0:47:47.640 --> 0:47:49.400 black people riding, but they didn't want to show that. 0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:51.680 It says, I'm not gonna front since my family's Cuban. 0:47:51.760 --> 0:47:54.800 They look they like, we're not Mexican, like the Mexicans 0:47:54.840 --> 0:47:57.239 are right, but. 0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:03.640 But it's like but it was Mexicans and our Salvadorians, 0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:07.160 you know what I mean, Like people would who basically 0:48:08.000 --> 0:48:11.640 are you used to like war situations that were like 0:48:11.800 --> 0:48:15.120 really going at it was like it was like green light, 0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:17.880 let's go anarchy, you know what I'm saying, Like from 0:48:17.920 --> 0:48:20.480 their country for war, they grew up in war. So 0:48:20.760 --> 0:48:22.399 they were like, Hey, you know, I'm gonna get my car. 0:48:22.600 --> 0:48:24.839 I'm gonna put it up on pet boys. I'm gonna 0:48:24.840 --> 0:48:27.120 get me some new tires. I'm gonna put the transmission. 0:48:27.320 --> 0:48:30.440 People were doing transmissions and changing their cars up. You know, 0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:32.719 we didn't show this in the documentary, but I'm saying, 0:48:33.120 --> 0:48:34.719 you know they were doing that, you know what I mean, 0:48:34.840 --> 0:48:37.960 like doing the riot. So, I mean, there's so many 0:48:38.000 --> 0:48:40.520 different stories to be told within that man, so many 0:48:40.960 --> 0:48:43.120 wild time. It was a while, it was wild time. 0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:45.320 And I know you're not gonna tell me this, but 0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:49.359 I feel like, what is John, What is your next move? 0:48:50.080 --> 0:48:53.120 My next What are you making the big Pun movie 0:48:53.200 --> 0:48:53.400 with me? 0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:55.879 That would be an amazing movie. 0:48:56.480 --> 0:49:00.840 Yeah, big, but let's make the movie. I don't know 0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:03.719 the whole story. You know what's really funny is because 0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:05.360 we was rolling in the same time in the nineties, 0:49:06.360 --> 0:49:10.000 like Pun had all the bad Puerto ricanditions. 0:49:10.680 --> 0:49:17.400 He had right now, all the funnest I was so 0:49:17.680 --> 0:49:22.160 jealous meet that right now. I was so jealous girls 0:49:22.239 --> 0:49:24.840 like honey, he had he not he not he not 0:49:25.040 --> 0:49:26.359 he not fat like belly fat. 0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:30.680 He was the whole room. And he had three or 0:49:30.680 --> 0:49:34.080 four around him, right, and they were so beautiful it's 0:49:34.080 --> 0:49:35.200 gonna kill me, but don't worry about it. 0:49:36.680 --> 0:49:40.000 They were so beautiful, like your face would hurt when 0:49:40.040 --> 0:49:43.120 you saw them. And we would hang out at Jimmy's Bronx. 0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:46.200 We were hanging on Jimmy's Bronx and it would just 0:49:46.320 --> 0:49:48.520 be like it would be girls coming from d R 0:49:48.719 --> 0:49:50.319 and from from Puerto Rico. 0:49:50.880 --> 0:49:51.720 They couldn't speaking. 0:49:51.800 --> 0:49:55.320 Laders that were like models, and every nigga that was 0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:56.880 a hip hop would be a Jimmy's Bronx. 0:49:56.960 --> 0:49:58.799 That's right, you know what I'm saying. That's right. Look, 0:49:58.920 --> 0:50:02.080 you know you can tell John we walk up there. 0:50:02.719 --> 0:50:04.399 You know. I used to walk up there and Joe 0:50:04.440 --> 0:50:06.320 would be there and and they'd be like, what you 0:50:06.400 --> 0:50:06.799 want to eat? 0:50:06.880 --> 0:50:09.160 It would be like do we eat? Eat all you 0:50:09.200 --> 0:50:11.640 could eat, drink all you could eat, and then you 0:50:11.760 --> 0:50:14.279 go dance and it would be Friday night. 0:50:14.480 --> 0:50:16.520 It was like Friday nights. It was Friday night was 0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:20.960 a band and the Saturday was hip hop exactly. You know, 0:50:21.480 --> 0:50:22.120 because I went to. 0:50:22.160 --> 0:50:23.839 The riding spots in New York. 0:50:23.920 --> 0:50:26.320 I lived in New York. I was the grindiest spot. 0:50:28.400 --> 0:50:30.719 And you know, like we would eat we would drink 0:50:31.160 --> 0:50:34.800 and you know, it was always like Saturday night. Friday 0:50:34.880 --> 0:50:36.960 night was the people who were newly immigrated to New 0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:42.880 York because English, they just came, you know, some kind of. 0:50:42.880 --> 0:50:45.640 Spanish to get a bit, right, yeah, a little bits. 0:50:46.000 --> 0:50:48.239 Yeah, the whole boy to be like hey listen, right, 0:50:48.800 --> 0:50:50.719 but Saturday night somebody will always get shot. 0:50:55.280 --> 0:50:59.239 But when we go both right that what you got 0:50:59.280 --> 0:51:04.040 to you got you got. You don't know that. So 0:51:05.120 --> 0:51:07.560 you net a Latin movie, right, you never did a 0:51:07.760 --> 0:51:11.920 whole Latin movie. It's called legal Tender. Oh yeah, it's 0:51:12.000 --> 0:51:13.040 like they got their own. 0:51:13.400 --> 0:51:16.279 I Potago Potago called the own in this first movie. 0:51:16.360 --> 0:51:17.719 And then they took him off and put him in 0:51:17.760 --> 0:51:21.320 faster furious. That's my brother, some brother from from I 0:51:21.360 --> 0:51:22.840 think that's why you know. 0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:27.440 They go, they go Louisa, let me say no, Louisa, 0:51:27.520 --> 0:51:30.200 let me say me, and you would be the lights 0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:30.960 the most like. 0:51:30.960 --> 0:51:34.880 Skinning exactly, like yeah, you like I shot that down there, 0:51:34.880 --> 0:51:36.520 I produced that down there. I shot that down there, 0:51:36.560 --> 0:51:38.279 and we were just you know, it was it was 0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:39.399 a movie. 0:51:39.400 --> 0:51:39.560 I was. 0:51:39.600 --> 0:51:41.160 Then you had the other dude in there, that the 0:51:41.239 --> 0:51:45.279 young kid with the afro, Rick Gonzales yeahs out my 0:51:45.400 --> 0:51:47.439 man from basketball movie. 0:51:48.719 --> 0:51:52.840 But coach car Yeah it's not good actor. 0:51:54.280 --> 0:51:56.480 Because I know you got to go so but how 0:51:56.560 --> 0:51:59.759 do you actually see talent? Like when people say like 0:52:00.440 --> 0:52:00.920 what what what? 0:52:01.200 --> 0:52:01.600 What is it? 0:52:01.960 --> 0:52:02.000 Is? 0:52:02.040 --> 0:52:02.400 It is it? 0:52:02.480 --> 0:52:05.279 When you it's just my vibe. It's like when a 0:52:05.400 --> 0:52:08.160 vibe or somebody, I'll be like, okay, vibe with them 0:52:08.200 --> 0:52:11.600 and say, okay, if I can get that original, what's 0:52:11.680 --> 0:52:14.000 really special about them? A the original vibe on camera 0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:17.279 out to the world. Then that then that the world 0:52:17.360 --> 0:52:19.560 see what I see. And that's how it goes from me. 0:52:20.280 --> 0:52:21.040 I don't know. I can't. 0:52:21.640 --> 0:52:25.719 Hell, by the way, it was ill, but because I 0:52:25.840 --> 0:52:29.439 got a friend, right Sonny Sonny d Sonny d BT 0:52:29.680 --> 0:52:34.160 is the funniest guy off camera off camera, he will 0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:41.960 roast you. But the minute you say action and I'm like, 0:52:42.440 --> 0:52:45.200 I mean, he's not that bad, but he made him 0:52:45.280 --> 0:52:46.160 like an idiot. 0:52:47.400 --> 0:52:48.160 That was totally wrong. 0:52:48.719 --> 0:52:52.320 Sorry, but he's not the same, Like it's not the 0:52:52.400 --> 0:52:56.480 same when it's all how do you like if you 0:52:56.600 --> 0:52:58.839 was to see that from the actor and you just say, damn, 0:52:59.360 --> 0:53:02.600 you know, I see off camera off camera you're fucking excellent. 0:53:02.680 --> 0:53:03.520 But once I say I. 0:53:03.520 --> 0:53:06.000 Spent I spend time off camera pulling get out of people, 0:53:06.040 --> 0:53:08.520 because I've had people like that too. Okay, really like 0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:11.880 they got that, but they don't. They're nervous. 0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:12.160 You know. 0:53:12.239 --> 0:53:13.920 It's like get out of yourself. You know. 0:53:14.000 --> 0:53:16.480 What helps them get out of that? What would help 0:53:16.680 --> 0:53:18.480 if you was to do that, is it liveies? 0:53:18.640 --> 0:53:22.360 Like it depends on the person. It depends on the person, like. 0:53:22.440 --> 0:53:24.440 Are you already hiring them or sending them to like 0:53:24.520 --> 0:53:26.680 a coaching class where they're like a little bit. 0:53:26.600 --> 0:53:28.520 Of both, a little bit of both, and you know, 0:53:29.680 --> 0:53:31.680 you know, I coach them and then you know, and 0:53:31.800 --> 0:53:34.120 then I have other people work with them too, you 0:53:34.160 --> 0:53:34.560 know what I mean. 0:53:35.480 --> 0:53:37.640 Well, John Man, we robbed you for all your knowledge. 0:53:38.400 --> 0:53:42.440 You know, we are schooled, we are blessed, we are honored. 0:53:42.880 --> 0:53:46.360 I want to tell you you're one of the greatest 0:53:46.440 --> 0:53:50.000 artists of all time. And that's included everything at all 0:53:50.239 --> 0:53:52.279 art period. You were one of the greatest artists of 0:53:52.320 --> 0:53:52.719 all time. 0:53:52.800 --> 0:53:56.920 I was very honored. It's good. My boy Trevor told 0:53:56.960 --> 0:53:58.759 me you're John to do it. I was like, for real, 0:53:59.239 --> 0:54:00.960 Like I was, I was so scared. 0:54:01.120 --> 0:54:04.080 I went I watched every interview you ever did that 0:54:04.200 --> 0:54:06.680 Google every I knew, I knew you personally, but I 0:54:06.800 --> 0:54:10.520 just wanted I wanted to appreciate your art and we 0:54:10.680 --> 0:54:10.920 did it. 0:54:11.080 --> 0:54:14.120 And man, I just can't tell you how much I 0:54:14.239 --> 0:54:16.359 appreciate you. I want you to continue to do your. 0:54:18.400 --> 0:54:20.760 And continue to do your thing because we are proud 0:54:20.920 --> 0:54:23.880 of what you're doing in cinema and we watch everything 0:54:23.920 --> 0:54:26.200 and we support everything, and we're gonna continue to do that. 0:54:26.560 --> 0:54:33.520 This makes a noise for motherfucker Johnson and I'm still 0:54:33.560 --> 0:54:34.839 finishing my drink too as well.