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Speaker 3: Right now, right now, we have the legendary a guy
Speaker 3: that I feel like cinema should be handed to him
Speaker 3: like period. Like when it comes to cinema, he has
Speaker 3: to be the executive.
Speaker 1: Producer of the word of the word.
Speaker 3: Like when you look up cinema, it gotta be his face,
Speaker 3: gotta be right there. He's made legendary movies. He's got
Speaker 3: to work with the legends of the.
Speaker 1: Legend, made the legends.
Speaker 3: He made the legends, put them when they first leve
Speaker 3: but especially hip hop, when it comes to hip hop,
Speaker 3: he was I feel like he invented this. I'm going
Speaker 3: to take rappers and I'm going to make.
Speaker 1: Them movie stars. I feel like he gives me some
Speaker 1: other jobs. Right now, we got the legendary John.
Speaker 3: Now, where did you get the love for developing cinema period?
Speaker 1: How did that even come to you?
Speaker 4: I grew up next to a drive in theater, and
Speaker 4: I used to look out my window and let's to
Speaker 4: see like Kung Fu movies and horror movies and Michael
Speaker 4: Myers and stuff, and Blast protection movies. And I saw
Speaker 4: Pam Grays titties.
Speaker 1: And I was like, are you saying Pam's great titties?
Speaker 1: Is what made you?
Speaker 4: I gotta get I know that last what made me
Speaker 4: do that? That's what happened.
Speaker 1: It's true story.
Speaker 4: I'm not making it up.
Speaker 3: Everybody knows baby Boy was supposed to be a role
Speaker 3: for Tupac.
Speaker 1: Yes, how difficult was that saying that? You know what?
Speaker 3: I had wrote this originally for my friend because you
Speaker 3: guys was friends and he's not here. How difficult was
Speaker 3: that to pick that actor, that Tyree's actor.
Speaker 4: I put it up on the shove for years after
Speaker 4: that because the last thing, last conversation I had with
Speaker 4: Park was at the Chris Shawn Maul. He was doing
Speaker 4: this video to Live and Die in La and I
Speaker 4: was like, I got the movie. That's going to get
Speaker 4: you an oscar, you know, and that was it. That
Speaker 4: was And then you know, a couple of weeks later,
Speaker 4: he wasn't with us anymore. So I didn't. I wasn't.
Speaker 4: I hadn't planned on doing the movie at all at all.
Speaker 4: And it just I know Tyree since he was sixteen
Speaker 4: years old, and I dished this movie Shaft. He was
Speaker 4: supposed to be Tyree's was supposed to be in the movie,
Speaker 4: but he was too busy being an MTV VJ. I said, Okay,
Speaker 4: I got this movie. I'm gonna pull off the shelf.
Speaker 4: And you know, you know, just like people have stuff
Speaker 4: and files and stuff, I got movies and crates and
Speaker 4: stuff that I've written. And I said, okay, maybe this
Speaker 4: is the time to do this movie.
Speaker 3: But by the way, Shaft, like when people do remakes,
Speaker 3: it's very hard because and I can't believe how you pulled.
Speaker 1: Off Shaft like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was, it was. It was good.
Speaker 1: It was good to be in New York. It was
Speaker 1: a crazy time to be too.
Speaker 4: I was. We was in the heighest we was in
Speaker 4: We was in harlew Over, We was all over the
Speaker 4: whole city.
Speaker 1: It was it was.
Speaker 4: You know, you remember it was that was when I
Speaker 4: was making that movie. We were the only movie that
Speaker 4: was shooting at the time. It was like in the daytime,
Speaker 4: in the night, I was shooting in the night, and
Speaker 4: then sometimes at night I was up in Cheetah and
Speaker 4: Central Fly.
Speaker 5: Like it was first, what was the first thing I
Speaker 5: said to you?
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god. But I was like
Speaker 4: I was a wild person then I was I'm different now,
Speaker 4: more conservative conservative movies.
Speaker 3: It's movies like you have to go through something like
Speaker 3: you know how sometimes comedians will come out with things
Speaker 3: every five years because it's like they actually got to
Speaker 3: go through experiences.
Speaker 4: For me, it's for me, making films is kind of
Speaker 4: an emotional experience. You know. I put my all into it.
Speaker 4: I put my heart and soul, you know, and it's
Speaker 4: just like it takes something out of you, but it
Speaker 4: gives something back.
Speaker 1: And every time I do a movie, it's an adventure.
Speaker 4: So, you know, lately, I've been just like concentrated on
Speaker 4: television instead of movies because people watching more TV than
Speaker 4: there are films, and there's a lot more to do.
Speaker 4: You know, like you can make it. You make a
Speaker 4: movie every two or three years, but a film a
Speaker 4: TV show, it's like doing a movie. Every week. You
Speaker 4: get a chance to shoot, pull a new talent, put
Speaker 4: people in and see how they work, and then maybe
Speaker 4: if they work in the TV show, then you take
Speaker 4: them off to a movie. So that's my that's my body.
Speaker 1: And you feel the same way about writing and directing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean I have to write whatever I do,
Speaker 4: I have to write. I have to write because I
Speaker 4: have to put my own stink on it.
Speaker 3: Now, what made you say to ice Cube? You said,
Speaker 3: because because I remember you saying that you knew.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: So you said to ice Cube, and just so you know,
Speaker 3: it's a plastic on it, come on, help him out,
Speaker 3: Come on, you're closes.
Speaker 1: Let me show it over daily. I don't even know
Speaker 1: how to do it.
Speaker 3: But you said to ice Cube that his first rhymes
Speaker 3: were like movie like so, and then he went later
Speaker 3: on and created Friday.
Speaker 1: Did you ever think that you you should have been
Speaker 1: about a Friday as well? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 1: Let's keep his true story was cute.
Speaker 4: When we were doing Boys in the Hood, he started
Speaker 4: like looking at how movies were made, watching the set,
Speaker 4: so that he did a video called Dead Homies.
Speaker 1: You've seen that video. It's really cinematic.
Speaker 4: He started like doing slow ust shots and really cinematic stuff.
Speaker 1: And you know, even when Cube had other.
Speaker 4: People direct to move the videos, he would be quasi directed.
Speaker 4: So then he was like, okay, I want to write movies.
Speaker 4: I said, well, okay, we gotta get a laptop. He
Speaker 4: me him and his now wife when she was just
Speaker 4: founcing and going to laptop's a screenwriting stuff. So he started,
Speaker 4: he wrote. He wrote from that. The next year and
Speaker 4: a half, he wrote like three screenplays. He wrote different
Speaker 4: titles and screenplays, and every one of them I was
Speaker 4: like this one no.
Speaker 1: And then he stopped showing me his screenplays. Wow. So
Speaker 1: then he wrote because I kept shitting on him a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 4: I was because it's my brother, right, you could do
Speaker 4: better than this, right. And then but he was also
Speaker 4: selling them too. You know, it didn't matter if I
Speaker 4: thought there was happening. He sold some stuff to Universal.
Speaker 4: He was selling like right after that we got produced,
Speaker 4: he was just selling screenplays. And then so then he
Speaker 4: did he we do we do higher learning together. And
Speaker 4: then he's like, I'm doing this other movie, I said,
Speaker 4: and he's like, and it's like, okay. But but he
Speaker 4: started Friday out independently and put it on Money Up Friday,
Speaker 4: and the new line was like, we want to help you.
Speaker 4: And I was like, if pe would have told me that,
Speaker 4: I would like everything in it, because it was like,
Speaker 4: you know, when he finally got it done.
Speaker 1: It showed it to me. I was like, it's gonna
Speaker 1: it's gonna be huge, and it was you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, are we talking about Friday Friday? Oh?
Speaker 4: Wow, yeah, Friday? Okay, so Friday. You know he did
Speaker 4: that all on his own. Man, he's you know, look
Speaker 4: at them now, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yes. So now I'm glad you brung up Higher Learning, right, Jerry?
Speaker 3: Because Higher Learning, I feel like, was a socially called
Speaker 3: conscious movie. Yeah, we don't really have socially conscious movies anymore.
Speaker 1: Are we missing that? We're missing a lot of things.
Speaker 4: We're missing.
Speaker 1: We're missing an era of John this is how we
Speaker 1: do it, and drinks that's how we do it. So
Speaker 1: are we missing social consciousness movies? I think we're missing
Speaker 1: movies that about something. I think we need that now
Speaker 1: more than.
Speaker 3: Ever because I'm kind of proud of jay Z for
Speaker 3: the Rikers Island.
Speaker 4: That's nice.
Speaker 1: That was that was that was beautiful. That was beautiful
Speaker 1: for him to tell that story. And now him he's
Speaker 1: doing the Trayvon Martin story. I feel like.
Speaker 4: Doing a movie and doctor Trayvon mind and I think
Speaker 4: that's really smart and and something that needs to be
Speaker 4: done because.
Speaker 3: We need that, like for our community, because I just
Speaker 3: feel like it's balanced. I feel like level spell backwards,
Speaker 3: this level we've got a balance in and I feel
Speaker 3: like that's the perfect way. It's just it's because there's
Speaker 3: so many of us more in our community, what more
Speaker 3: than they read?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean it's what I do. I like
Speaker 4: to do films that are like make people think, but
Speaker 4: also entertained so that they have to watch it several
Speaker 4: times and be like.
Speaker 1: You know, did I really see that in there?
Speaker 4: Hold on another time? So you know, even when I
Speaker 4: make a film that that is really really has heavy
Speaker 4: issues in it, it Uh, it's entertaining. You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. You don't really notice, you know.
Speaker 1: Now. Poetic Justice.
Speaker 3: Roll ice Cube roll was originally to excuse me Tupac's
Speaker 3: roll was originally Ice.
Speaker 4: Cubes, Yeah, exactly, and Cubes Romance.
Speaker 3: Okay, and why what Okay, at the time we see
Speaker 3: Tupac and Juice, we see Tupac everywhere else. But what
Speaker 3: makes you say I'm gonna make Tupac riding in a
Speaker 3: male band with Jackson?
Speaker 4: He killed it because I mean, you know, he was.
Speaker 4: It's crazy because I didn't even give it a second
Speaker 4: thought because you know, realized Pocket just done just it
Speaker 4: hadn't even come out yet.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but I heard you say you saw the
Speaker 1: movie in advance.
Speaker 4: I saw the movie, were in advanced. I said, okay,
Speaker 4: this this dude. You know, I wasn't. I wasn't thinking
Speaker 4: about him to be in Poor Justice. I'm still thinking
Speaker 4: about Cube. I was like, we got to do something together.
Speaker 4: So we chop it up just like you know. And
Speaker 4: he just he just got back because he had gotten
Speaker 4: too l a and I was like, we gotta do
Speaker 4: something together. Someone Cube said what he said? I said, Okay,
Speaker 4: I call up him and I said, you know you
Speaker 4: want to do it? He said, yeah, yeah, I do it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Now, Boys in the Hood, Boys and Hook comes out first, right, yes,
Speaker 3: then Minister Society comes out.
Speaker 1: Yes. I gotta ask a petty question.
Speaker 6: What's the time, Like, I was that time between them
Speaker 6: just so two years?
Speaker 1: Did you ever think like they could have exactly was
Speaker 1: the huge Brothers? Yeah, yeah, we.
Speaker 3: Never heard your side of the story because I kind
Speaker 3: of felt like ship they just made there with that
Speaker 3: movie too.
Speaker 4: Well, no, they just made they made an interesting film
Speaker 4: that was more violent than my movie. My movie was
Speaker 4: my movie was I say, it was more kind of
Speaker 4: embedded in what my personal experience was. In the studio
Speaker 4: that made Mini Society said we got to have some parents.
Speaker 1: The boy there was.
Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot of movies, but in retrospect,
Speaker 4: Minister Society is the best of all of those movies
Speaker 4: that came after Boys, you know, because there's.
Speaker 1: A lot of movies that they tried to copy.
Speaker 4: It was like, you know, but but you know in
Speaker 4: fact that my favorite character in a Society is old
Speaker 4: Dog because he was he was like, right, no, Tupapa
Speaker 4: was supposed to play this character, this other character that
Speaker 4: another dude that was in Boysante Sweet played he was
Speaker 4: a more conscious brother.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, Yeah, that was a teacher that was
Speaker 1: Fox Roy Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, And then he had had court beef with the
Speaker 3: Hughes Brothers and had.
Speaker 1: The ill roll too. So so what is what what? What?
Speaker 4: What is?
Speaker 1: John Singleton? What are you sitting back and saying.
Speaker 3: That you know that you didn't produce I know you're
Speaker 3: doing a lot of TV what I was, But what
Speaker 3: do you enjoy like when you yeah me?
Speaker 4: I mean like in terms of like just life and.
Speaker 3: Stuff, movies, TV. I know you're doing too much TV
Speaker 3: to watch TV.
Speaker 4: I'm just too much TV to watch TV. I don't
Speaker 4: even get a chance to really watch my TV because
Speaker 4: I'm making TV right now. I mean, like, you know,
Speaker 4: I like movies and stuff and everything, but the movies,
Speaker 4: the movies now are not you know, I don't feel
Speaker 4: that they're They don't push hard enough in terms of
Speaker 4: the culture as much as possible, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, like in terms of mainstream movies,
Speaker 4: you know, and that needs to be.
Speaker 3: Done, you know what I mean, because like because like
Speaker 3: like Boys in the Hood was so much of important message.
Speaker 1: It's just like yo, you know, you can.
Speaker 3: Live the street life, but there is actually consequences exactly
Speaker 3: this actually, and that's what hip hop sometimes fails to tell.
Speaker 1: We only always yeah sell the drugs. I don't know
Speaker 1: you're gonna do nine years?
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like nothing that at the
Speaker 4: end of it, Yeah, exactly. No, I'm all about the
Speaker 4: reality of it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: What's that like your goal?
Speaker 4: Because I know, oh wow, My goal was just basically
Speaker 4: telling the story. I was just like, you know, just
Speaker 4: like trying to get something off my chest. That an
Speaker 4: experience that I lived, that that I lived through and
Speaker 4: that a lot of my family and friends had lived through.
Speaker 4: So that was always about what.
Speaker 3: If ice Cube said no to play dough Boy, who
Speaker 3: would have played that?
Speaker 6: I don't know, I can't want to go there, think
Speaker 6: of nobody.
Speaker 1: Where would we be now he.
Speaker 4: Didn't play the part man, It was like, you know,
Speaker 4: I think he was robbed of an Oscar nomination. I
Speaker 4: think because it's one of those timeless performances that that
Speaker 4: just exists. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna be honest with you. When I look
Speaker 3: at like, if I want to describe the West Coast
Speaker 3: how I first visualized the West Coast, I would start
Speaker 3: at Boys and I would start there and be like,
Speaker 3: you're working around it. I actually go there first and
Speaker 3: then Colors.
Speaker 4: I cursed it when I was a school with pil
Speaker 4: East Coast. I don't know that was real, No, but
Speaker 4: it wasn't real. It was it was derivative. It wasn't
Speaker 4: because it wasn't done by by by black people. It
Speaker 4: was like it was like, you know, it was like
Speaker 4: it was nothing about that that thing that was really
Speaker 4: truly whatever. You know, like people were more caricatures, more caricatures,
Speaker 4: they weren't real, you know.
Speaker 1: And so you know, so now I got to get
Speaker 1: to the million dollar question, what was that? Why is it?
Speaker 1: John Singleton directed this Tupac, Why you gotta I feel
Speaker 1: like you got get another shot.
Speaker 3: I feel like you're gonna get another shot because we
Speaker 3: want the real answer, and I'm gonna take one with you.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna busy myself on this. And because you know,
Speaker 4: you're gonna bring up we fashions and you know, and
Speaker 4: everything and stuff.
Speaker 3: Because it's documented that you guys are friends. It was like,
Speaker 3: nobody can't dispute that.
Speaker 4: Well, just say that the people that that got the
Speaker 4: rights to do the movie, they had different ideas on
Speaker 4: how to do the movie than I did. And then
Speaker 4: that you're a part of it at some point, right, yeah,
Speaker 4: it was yeah in the beginning, right exactly. Well no,
Speaker 4: not as it came in through and everything. But you know,
Speaker 4: let them, let them make the movie and let's see
Speaker 4: how it does. And you know, let's see.
Speaker 3: What's because you're personally involved. So does that ever like
Speaker 3: mess up in your creative process?
Speaker 4: Like you because I'm personally about that means I'm more
Speaker 4: focused and more like, you know, I'm more like get it,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Like that means I'm you know,
Speaker 4: as I said, Bettt, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm down on the ground. I'm ready to shoot you.
Speaker 4: I mean, like that makes it more powerful that I'm
Speaker 4: more personally involved.
Speaker 1: And you know, if Benny Boom ever even met Tupac,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Benny's my friend, my friend too, But
Speaker 1: I'm just thrinking. I'm just I don't care.
Speaker 4: Yes, boy, every time I say something bad about with Benny,
Speaker 4: Cosby said, you know, so it's like, you know, I
Speaker 4: don't even want to touch it.
Speaker 1: Right now, let the movie come out.
Speaker 4: Y'all make your own judgment what you want to say
Speaker 4: about the movie.
Speaker 1: But if you have had your choice, how would you
Speaker 1: have done it?
Speaker 3: Because I think I don't know if you've seen like
Speaker 3: the Outlaw guys, he had just said something, Yeah, he
Speaker 3: accused you of saying that he wanted you want to
Speaker 3: put a rape scene of Tupac in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, there's a whole lot of things that that
Speaker 1: that they were not.
Speaker 4: Having the movie, that that actually happened, that they weren't
Speaker 4: want to.
Speaker 1: We're not saying Tupac got rigged.
Speaker 4: There's a whole lot of things that happened. There's a
Speaker 4: whole lot of stuff. There's the stuff that why why
Speaker 4: who actually was involved in his death? Why didn't die?
Speaker 4: What I'm saying will delete up to his death, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. Like, so I don't know what
Speaker 4: they did with the movie. So you know, it's like
Speaker 4: I can't even speak on it because I don't even
Speaker 4: what they did with the movie. And I won't watch
Speaker 4: the movie, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: But if you had your choice, how would you did
Speaker 3: the movie? If you'd have had your choice, how would
Speaker 3: you did the movie? How would I what did the movie?
Speaker 4: Like I'm gonna say that over a podcast, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna make you know, make the right movie. I'm
Speaker 4: You know, you gotta understand I'm and I don't want
Speaker 4: to speak on this over and over there. I come from,
Speaker 4: I come from, I come from. You know two. I
Speaker 4: was born in nineteen seventy one. I was born nineteen
Speaker 4: seventy eight. We are revolutionary babies. It's a difference between
Speaker 4: being a revolutionary baby and being someone who's just hip hops,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. We were built, you know,
Speaker 4: for the betterment of our people. We were built for
Speaker 4: to bring everybody up, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 4: a whole lot of stuff that happened, and in terms
Speaker 4: of black liberation was faltered because black people were not
Speaker 4: in solidarity with each other, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So you know that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be.
Speaker 4: I don't want to be that person that keeps on
Speaker 4: having dissension or whatever. They made the movie. They stole
Speaker 4: the rights from his mother, so they made the movie
Speaker 4: they want to make And hopefully one day I'll get
Speaker 4: a chance to tell that story. But otherwise I got
Speaker 4: all this other ship that I'm trying to do that
Speaker 4: is is in line with what my principles are as
Speaker 4: a person and as a black man and that I'm
Speaker 4: gonna do. So that's that's all I want to speak on.
Speaker 1: This' makes no noise for that.
Speaker 7: You can trying to make a part movie in the future, yeah,
Speaker 7: of course, or at least at least.
Speaker 1: No, No, this has to be.
Speaker 4: It has to be a movie. It's it's too it's
Speaker 4: too it's too it's too important not to just make
Speaker 4: a movie. I mean, like, you know, there's so many
Speaker 4: different things around why who he was as a person,
Speaker 4: you know, and why people can be inspired by it,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: No, it's it's such it's such a great story.
Speaker 3: So when I heard, like you know, when people have
Speaker 3: differences with it, I always listened because I.
Speaker 1: Never got to meet Tupac. Yeah, I never got to
Speaker 1: meet Tupac.
Speaker 3: Actually, uh, he actually hung out in my hood and
Speaker 3: I was in jail, So I actually never got to
Speaker 3: meet Tupac. So I'm always this is actually me as
Speaker 3: a fan, like just asking. But now you also got
Speaker 3: to work with somebody who's also legendary and who also
Speaker 3: I think is innocent. O. J.
Speaker 1: Simpson you got to work with.
Speaker 4: I had to work with him. I met him before, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I met him before, but I did I did an
Speaker 4: episode of a show based on her people verse ojtly okay,
Speaker 4: how was that?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 4: It was good, it was interesting, it was fun. It
Speaker 4: was like, you know, it was good.
Speaker 3: Because he changed l A after that, well he changed
Speaker 3: he changed culture.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, I.
Speaker 5: Mean, I mean what I mean is like we just
Speaker 5: looked at l A like give me from this coach.
Speaker 5: You the point of view were just like, oh, because yeah,
Speaker 5: that's weird.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was just weird. It was just I
Speaker 3: mean because like we never knew we thought only our
Speaker 3: cops is racist. We never knew that outside of our ship,
Speaker 3: there's there's other people that's racist, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like we didn't travel, but after oh J, it was
Speaker 1: like clear, it was.
Speaker 3: Just like, holy moly, Walka, this is what is going down.
Speaker 3: But I never thought o J did it. And I
Speaker 3: met OJ as well.
Speaker 1: When we met him, there was.
Speaker 6: Him, you know, I met him twice, you know, yeah,
Speaker 6: neighborhood he was at that time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was walking out the best bite. He said,
Speaker 1: my leg is killing me. And I thought that was
Speaker 1: the funniest thing in the world. And he said that
Speaker 1: I don't get it. He was lipping something was wrong
Speaker 1: his leg and he goes, my leg is killing me killing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, bad, bad, But I just you know, you know
Speaker 3: what it is. I hung around like real killers, right,
Speaker 3: and this is always a certain instinct about it exactly,
Speaker 3: and he didn't have it exactly.
Speaker 4: He did not have it.
Speaker 1: You got to say the story about when we met
Speaker 1: him at the concert. What he said, You gotta tell
Speaker 1: the story, please, like you don't co sign like talking
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 4: So what concert?
Speaker 1: It was something?
Speaker 6: It was a radio station, you know they do like
Speaker 6: summer jams and the concert Fort Myers.
Speaker 1: So my record La would tell me, don't stand next
Speaker 1: to old Jay.
Speaker 7: It's the oddest thing in the world.
Speaker 1: Honest, this is crazy.
Speaker 7: So we're all backstage with him and his boys and
Speaker 7: his crew.
Speaker 1: At that time was still his voice Murder Union Murder.
Speaker 6: Oh j comes back, and everybody's like, let's take a
Speaker 6: picture together, and there's this infamous picture and then when
Speaker 6: he snapping the shot, one of his boys says, you
Speaker 6: original union.
Speaker 8: He said, yeah, it was I'm.
Speaker 7: You clearly remember I'm making this. I thought it was
Speaker 7: me who said it. I'm just looking at him and like,
Speaker 7: oh hell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm honestly, I never thought to take Yeah,
Speaker 3: and this is before Instagram, but we do got a
Speaker 3: picture that we don't have to pature that moment, but
Speaker 3: we got a picture that night.
Speaker 7: No, you have a picture of when he said that,
Speaker 7: ye to.
Speaker 1: But that was awesome working on.
Speaker 3: That because you from you from that time, you live
Speaker 3: through that exactly. So is it better for you to
Speaker 3: be passionate about the project?
Speaker 4: It's much better for me to be like passionate about it,
Speaker 4: taking personal, like you know, just feeling it in my heart,
Speaker 4: you know, and that's you know, that's what it's about.
Speaker 1: Have you ever done something for the money? It was
Speaker 1: just like this is just for the money, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't work out, Like it doesn't work out
Speaker 1: too well. When I explain that to you, it's like,
Speaker 1: it's just you have to.
Speaker 4: Whenever you do something you know, artistic, whether or not,
Speaker 4: even if you're getting paid for it, it's better to
Speaker 4: do it for the passion of it, for the heart
Speaker 4: of it, and you really feel it that you know.
Speaker 4: It's just you know, in your blood, like you do anything,
Speaker 4: you know, you'll kill somebody if they fuck with your ship,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like you know. That's that's
Speaker 4: that's how I am about certain things, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean when I'm doing something, you know, and not
Speaker 4: everybody's about that. People are just you know, they're just
Speaker 4: going about the jobs and you know, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: For me, I'm like, I'm like laser, I gotta get it,
Speaker 1: you know. I feel like I feel like I just
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, you know, I know you for you.
Speaker 3: I know you real drinking years.
Speaker 1: But I feel like I feel like that's what drives
Speaker 1: you is passion.
Speaker 4: First, you feel it in the work because you're watching something,
Speaker 4: you feel it.
Speaker 1: You feel it.
Speaker 4: That's why I can get people to do things that
Speaker 4: they would they would do with me, but they wouldn't
Speaker 4: do with other people. You know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: Like scenes, baby boy, everything, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like it's great. Now. Now, what was the moment in
Speaker 3: life that you passed on but you regret it? Like
Speaker 3: something wasn't that passed?
Speaker 1: Didn't you pass on the wire?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I passed.
Speaker 4: I just didn't think like doing the whole thing. No, No,
Speaker 4: the first season, I didn't. I didn't know it was
Speaker 4: gonna be what it was. But it But by the
Speaker 4: time it got into this like thirst season.
Speaker 3: I was like, wait a minute, because corners Corners came
Speaker 3: before and the.
Speaker 1: Corners it wasn't that great.
Speaker 4: Corners is all right, but it wasn't with the wire,
Speaker 4: it wasn't Why was the wire was lit?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: It was lit? It was so lit. It was like,
Speaker 4: I really don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah it did.
Speaker 3: So who you get the for the while it's HBO.
Speaker 1: Or agent com music agent, Like, I'm not gonna do that.
Speaker 4: I was like, is.
Speaker 1: That the only thing you ever passed on? You regret it?
Speaker 4: Or the only thing I can remember right now? You know?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: Now, is there anything that.
Speaker 3: Like, uh, you have a set out to do, you
Speaker 3: did it and then you was disappointed in the outcome?
Speaker 4: No, not at all. I mean, like, you know, I
Speaker 4: think my work.
Speaker 1: Is a thousands. We know that.
Speaker 7: We know that.
Speaker 1: Thousand right now?
Speaker 4: God forbid?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: You know, so you know I'm still still hitting it
Speaker 4: really hard. You know, I'm gonna do you know, some
Speaker 4: more TV and top telling, do some more movies. But
Speaker 4: everything I do is gonna be real passionate and hitting
Speaker 4: it really hard.
Speaker 1: Now what do you like better? Though? I know you're
Speaker 1: doing the same thing TV TV thing. It's the same thing.
Speaker 4: It's the same thing that. Here's the same thing to me.
Speaker 4: You watch anything that I put this on TV. It looks,
Speaker 4: you know, like one of my more work.
Speaker 3: Now we got Rebel on BT correct exactly, and you
Speaker 3: got to premire for Rebel tonight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, another another episode today?
Speaker 1: Okay? And what does this act?
Speaker 3: So people couldn't know, Oh this is private?
Speaker 1: What what the tonight? Oh no, no, it's Air to Night.
Speaker 4: Is not Air to Night.
Speaker 3: But you know you say you do it every week
Speaker 3: before the joints, So we would like to get Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: we just.
Speaker 4: Have a little thing a z in lounge and in
Speaker 4: the in the valley on the valley, it's like so Lancasham,
Speaker 4: it's a little spot.
Speaker 3: So what's the next thing for black media? Like, okay,
Speaker 3: Birth of the Nation came out. It didn't work right
Speaker 3: because it felt like it was it worked.
Speaker 1: It just got squashed. It got squawhed, It got squashed.
Speaker 1: So what's the movie.
Speaker 4: Got squashed because they didn't want that movie to come out,
Speaker 4: you know with the Black Lives Matter and stuff and
Speaker 4: all stuff. That movie they squashed that movie, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, that's the real time.
Speaker 1: It's very true.
Speaker 4: That's the real time they squashed a movie. And and
Speaker 4: black people are kind of like, you know, they have
Speaker 4: a complicit in squashing that movie.
Speaker 1: But as a movie director, was the movie? Uh good? Period?
Speaker 4: The movie was good? It was good movie. It was good. Good.
Speaker 3: You see the movies. I didn't see the movies you
Speaker 3: got see the other I've been running around. I've been
Speaker 3: running around. I ain't see my own movie. I could
Speaker 3: do all my own movie right now. But listen, man,
Speaker 3: we need more directors like you, right. We need more
Speaker 3: people who are passionate than they work. So so if
Speaker 3: a person is listening to this podcast, and if they
Speaker 3: that's their goals, that's their their their there, that's there,
Speaker 3: that's what they want to achieve, how do you get started?
Speaker 1: Because now these kids can just buy.
Speaker 3: The equipment, Like when you started that you had to
Speaker 3: be almost rich to get cameras.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you have to you have to look at
Speaker 4: to do it really really well.
Speaker 1: You have to study it.
Speaker 4: You have to study what came before and in the
Speaker 4: style and tone you know, and and theme, and you
Speaker 4: have to like be well read about how story story
Speaker 4: you know people, you know, how stories propagate universally. You
Speaker 4: know what I mean in different languages and stuff, right,
Speaker 4: And that's what you know. That's what made me do
Speaker 4: what I create. And then you create your own style.
Speaker 1: When you went to film school though, Yeah.
Speaker 4: But before film school I was doing all that. And
Speaker 4: even after film school, I kept learning. I'm learning all
Speaker 4: the time, you know.
Speaker 3: So if a young directord director is sitting out there
Speaker 3: and they feel like they're creative, they feel like they
Speaker 3: can write, what's the first step you suggest for them.
Speaker 4: Uh, to watch all movies and watch movies from around
Speaker 4: the world.
Speaker 6: How far back you think they should watch movies to the.
Speaker 4: Beginning of cinema, to the beginning of the the moving picture.
Speaker 4: You have to you have to study it. Be a
Speaker 4: student of the game. Student of the game.
Speaker 1: Now you you rolled off Our Colors? Is American?
Speaker 8: Me?
Speaker 2: Real?
Speaker 1: Authentic?
Speaker 6: That was a great good I mean, I'm not saying
Speaker 6: that because I'm not.
Speaker 1: It's a good movie. How about Blood and Blood out
Speaker 1: that the colors of America? Colors are doing? Another cho
Speaker 1: another Come on, you got you going to a party
Speaker 1: on your way to you so rich man hear you
Speaker 1: got yachts and all types.
Speaker 3: Of things, and you know what you're humble god, but
Speaker 3: almost I'm a brag. I'm a brag for you, man.
Speaker 3: I'm a brag for you man.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 6: We listen.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know, but our show is
Speaker 3: about giving our legends flowers when they can smell them,
Speaker 3: and trees when they can hell them. Because our society
Speaker 3: so much praises the person after they die, and I
Speaker 3: feel like that is so backwards. I should be able
Speaker 3: to tell you how much I appreciate you right here,
Speaker 3: face to face and a man out of eye, as
Speaker 3: opposed to waiting for you to pass away and then
Speaker 3: be like he.
Speaker 1: Was a great guy, me and him party.
Speaker 3: Together back in the day, Like I should say that now,
Speaker 3: Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I actually learned that through Dave Chappelle.
Speaker 3: You know the way it was Prince and it was
Speaker 3: like he started praising Prince while Prince was alive. And
Speaker 3: it's just like, that's what we got to continue to do.
Speaker 3: And that's not just as a culture, that's as as.
Speaker 1: People as human human beings, as human beings.
Speaker 3: We got to start praising our people while they're here.
Speaker 1: So, with that being said, how was it working with
Speaker 1: Janet Jackson.
Speaker 3: You know, come on, it's beautiful. It jerked off the
Speaker 3: penny a lot. Throw that out there.
Speaker 4: It was good.
Speaker 1: I don't know, is that serious, that whole age thing.
Speaker 4: No, that was not serious. That was a joke that
Speaker 4: we was having on the set. Because the real talk
Speaker 4: is was attracted to Janet. I was attracted to Janet
Speaker 4: the world. We're in the set, we're both trying to like,
Speaker 4: you know, floodwater and stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, well, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: know I.
Speaker 4: Should have you kissing on my actress because you know,
Speaker 4: you've been fucking around doing all this ship. You know,
Speaker 4: Pocket was just coming in his own man right, and
Speaker 4: I was like, man, that ship. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know what, you're gonna have to do a test
Speaker 4: for y'all do this left scene. It was a joke.
Speaker 1: He said that.
Speaker 4: You said, you know, it's me sawing out my nigga
Speaker 4: on the side right before, just like you know, talking ship.
Speaker 4: And then we're like, oh, ship, we should we should
Speaker 4: we should use this, we should put this out.
Speaker 1: And so that's what we did as a publicity that it's.
Speaker 4: A publicity thing. We just did that.
Speaker 1: But just like us Jackson about it was just us talking.
Speaker 4: On the ship, on the set and everything and this,
Speaker 4: and you know it was a inside joke, that's what
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 3: Now, not only did you get to work with Janet Jackson,
Speaker 3: he got to work with the baby.
Speaker 1: Man, Mike Jackson. Did he have a gloved warm when
Speaker 1: you met him?
Speaker 4: No, he did not have a guy's where he wore
Speaker 4: the old fuck like I ain't gonna lie, and he
Speaker 4: did he did. It's crazy because it's it's I'm always
Speaker 4: you see Michael on camera and I said he didn't
Speaker 4: talk the way that he talks, you know.
Speaker 1: And you're saying like Mike was a nigga, like was like.
Speaker 4: Different, different and everything that I'm just saying that just
Speaker 4: that was an expectation that he put on for the cameras.
Speaker 4: He didn't. He wouldn't talk like it. He was his brother.
Speaker 1: He was a different demeanor and everything, different demeanor and everything.
Speaker 4: It's just like, you know, it's just like hey, you know,
Speaker 4: and he was really despite what he you know, he
Speaker 4: ended up doing to his face and his skin got
Speaker 4: lighter and everything and stuff. He was a real brother man.
Speaker 4: He was really about black people.
Speaker 3: Because I heard that video he Actually that was after
Speaker 3: Magic actually announced and he wanted to do something.
Speaker 4: Mike and Mike wanted. Mike wanted Magic in the video.
Speaker 4: He said, you know, call him Magic. Let's get him
Speaker 4: in the video. Remember the time, remember the time?
Speaker 3: I hate that in my head, right, I couldn't have
Speaker 3: met Michael Jackson. I would like I would have gave him.
Speaker 3: I would gave him a five too hard, gave us
Speaker 3: the crazy Michael Jackson. Okay, so how was it? Was
Speaker 3: he a pure genius? Like was he everything?
Speaker 7: He was?
Speaker 4: He's damn near genius. I mean Daniel Jenius. I mean
Speaker 4: like you know the things that that that he did
Speaker 4: and that he and that he wanted to do and stuff,
Speaker 4: you know, like unprecedented in this business.
Speaker 1: Yeah, genius. Have you ever been starstruck? Yeah? Who start?
Speaker 1: I gotta hear this.
Speaker 4: I mean I've only that starstruck two times in my
Speaker 4: whole career.
Speaker 1: I need to hear both. Let's go for it.
Speaker 4: The first was meeting Steven Spielberg because it's like, you know,
Speaker 4: as a kid growing up, you know, like he was,
Speaker 4: you know, the the young person that went on to
Speaker 4: make movies at an early age, and I wanted to
Speaker 4: be like that just nervous, and you know, I saw
Speaker 4: him and it was as soon as I saw him
Speaker 4: and we met just it was like it was like
Speaker 4: you know, it was it was just great.
Speaker 1: You know, he's like the godfather and godfather.
Speaker 4: Of filmmaking and filmmaker. The second was what your prior,
Speaker 4: rich What did you mean which I member?
Speaker 1: Which prior?
Speaker 4: At the comedy store? I was I used to hang
Speaker 4: out to come.
Speaker 1: As soon as you said you met Richard, I thought
Speaker 1: the comedy.
Speaker 4: Store and so uh And it's funny because rich Par
Speaker 4: was hanging out with.
Speaker 1: A comedy club, was Hollywood with.
Speaker 4: Opportuna and your life is dope. And I'm like, let's
Speaker 4: throw that out there. I don't even look at opportune.
Speaker 4: I'm looking at much private. But Richard used to have
Speaker 4: this dude that worked for him. It came over to
Speaker 4: me and and he said, uh, you know, uh, Richard
Speaker 4: would like to say hello to you. And I walked
Speaker 4: across him and Richard was kind of frail. He the
Speaker 4: MS was getting him, but it wasn't as bad. It was, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it wasn't milchbot and he just said, uh, uh, you're
Speaker 4: a young man that made that movie. Boys and the
Speaker 4: hood just came out and I said, yes, sir, I am,
Speaker 4: and mind you because you like me. You listen to
Speaker 4: every Richard mama had since birth, curse listen to. He said,
Speaker 4: are you the young man that man the movie? I said, yes, sir, yeah,
Speaker 4: and he goes against me a hunt nigga. I just
Speaker 4: cried on the shoulder I saw, I said, because because
Speaker 4: this is a man. And then after that we became friends.
Speaker 4: I used to go up to his house. He said
Speaker 4: he'd be sitting up in the bed. He had a
Speaker 4: gun right by the side of his baby. This motherfucker
Speaker 4: got a gun right next to his bed. And every comedian,
Speaker 4: the Wayne's brothers, whoever it.
Speaker 1: Was, he bore guns.
Speaker 4: No, No, all these people would come through. They would
Speaker 4: come through every day to pay harmised Richard. And it's
Speaker 4: before he really got sick. So it's like, you know,
Speaker 4: we were.
Speaker 3: Just he was on his way to being sick, but
Speaker 3: he was coming to pay homage, just to pay.
Speaker 4: They know there was coming to homes because you just want.
Speaker 1: To be around with probly.
Speaker 4: If you want to be a comedian, you want to
Speaker 4: be around with pride. And so we were just sitting
Speaker 4: chopping up and he was just you know, he was
Speaker 4: just tell me, how about about business?
Speaker 1: How about that movie? What you should be a part
Speaker 1: of that movie? You can't do them all? Man would
Speaker 1: love to.
Speaker 4: I would love to, yeah, because yeah, he was. He
Speaker 4: was ultimate storyteller. And I still take a lot from
Speaker 4: him as a storyteller in terms of the way that
Speaker 4: he with Ben stuff, Ben lines, and he would just
Speaker 4: you know, he was the He was.
Speaker 1: The storyteller of the streets.
Speaker 4: If you think about all the stuff that Jose that
Speaker 4: you listened to him, they were really sad stories, some
Speaker 4: of them exactly.
Speaker 1: He was like Don Goring's pimple comedy. So people know
Speaker 1: how to do that.
Speaker 4: So when I take a lot from him in terms of,
Speaker 4: like when I tell a story, just stuff that may
Speaker 4: be a little sad but funny, funny but sad, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, because that's what life is. Life
Speaker 4: is not just one thing, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: We can go to movies and say, oh, that's just
Speaker 4: a comedy. All that movie is just a serious movie.
Speaker 4: When you watch one of my movies, it's a reflection
Speaker 4: of life. So I mean, Richard, Richard is an ultimate storyteller.
Speaker 7: To me.
Speaker 1: Will we ever have.
Speaker 3: A dope error like that again, like the nineties cinema,
Speaker 3: would that ever return a different way?
Speaker 4: I think we have a different way. I think we
Speaker 4: can in a different way. I think as long as
Speaker 4: there's been more voices that are really uncut and pure
Speaker 4: and just like, you know, not afraid to maybe necessary
Speaker 4: offend some people, you know what I mean, Like, you
Speaker 4: know that's what it's about. It's not you know, I
Speaker 4: don't think people push it as far as they can
Speaker 4: push it in terms of a of any anything.
Speaker 3: You know that it was Empire, like your first TV
Speaker 3: that was your first TV it.
Speaker 4: Was it was my first TV show directing on the
Speaker 4: direct Yeah.
Speaker 1: What did you work on TV before? Probably Empire?
Speaker 4: I mean I was on TV shows, but I never directed.
Speaker 4: That's the first one I worked on. But you know
Speaker 4: that came about because you know, without Empire, that would
Speaker 4: without me, it would be not.
Speaker 1: Get real talk because Hustle and Flow.
Speaker 3: Yeah you you invested in Huston Flow paid for the
Speaker 3: whole movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, that was Lee Daniels. No produce flow okay, okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: from to get the whole whole thing. So what is
Speaker 1: Daniels go to do? On Flow. Nothing.
Speaker 4: He made Empire.
Speaker 1: Okay, ter get.
Speaker 4: My veterans from Hustle and Flow to do a TV show.
Speaker 1: Oh that's with the relations in there. But we are brothers.
Speaker 1: You know that.
Speaker 3: It's beautiful to see us win and celebrate us winning,
Speaker 3: all of us as people.
Speaker 1: It's just it's about time. That's what this show is about.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: This show ain't about you know.
Speaker 3: You go on certain you know, internet shows, and you
Speaker 3: can see negative ship.
Speaker 1: We just celebrate our people. We drink, we smoke.
Speaker 3: I was about to ask you you're gonna smoke, but
Speaker 3: I feel like you got sponsors.
Speaker 4: No, I don't sponsors.
Speaker 1: Feel that smoke.
Speaker 4: If I spoke too much. I want to, but you
Speaker 4: want to.
Speaker 1: I don't want you to, my friend, you take it.
Speaker 1: You take it, man.
Speaker 3: I just want to thank you man for being a
Speaker 3: part of this. You know, this is just just like
Speaker 3: I get again. We want to continue to celebrate our culture,
Speaker 3: our lifestyle, our ways of life, and just continue to
Speaker 3: get back to the community and just have fun doing it.
Speaker 3: It's so much you know, dumb ship happening in the world.
Speaker 3: When people turn on the news and you get sad.
Speaker 3: I would rather they turn on this and get happy
Speaker 3: happy yon day.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, You're gonna put me in
Speaker 1: a movie or somewhere I get a roll, anything whatever.
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to get it.
Speaker 1: My friend. I'm like yo.
Speaker 3: I was like, yo, I gotta get in one one
Speaker 3: Like it's just it's it's that you called I M
Speaker 3: B M D.
Speaker 1: You know I'm a foul hobbywood. I need the I
Speaker 1: M B A D B No. I need more than
Speaker 1: my list. I'm good. I want to do East Coast movies.
Speaker 1: I want to try to play a West Coast crip
Speaker 1: mo on the West Coast. I did the Heart. I
Speaker 1: did Heart. You ever watched this? It's called the Seventh not.
Speaker 3: Just say and I played a black guy.
Speaker 1: I died as soon as the youth because as soon
Speaker 1: as chop my head off, I fucking chopped my head off.
Speaker 3: That's so black that you know that's a horror movie.
Speaker 3: You can we don't last horror movies in real life.
Speaker 3: I think I would SURVIVEDR Like, if you put me
Speaker 3: in some scary ship, I like, you know what, I
Speaker 3: rally at shot at though that's a horror movie to me.
Speaker 1: I rally shot at then.
Speaker 3: A snake chased me like, I gotta know, I got
Speaker 3: no experience in the snake chase like.
Speaker 1: I got you got that before. I know good behind
Speaker 1: the car wait, get.
Speaker 3: Your gold like, but now for snake chase me, I
Speaker 3: that's not my element.
Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna just be like, wait a minute. Hold, well,
Speaker 1: well I'm getting big.
Speaker 4: I'm dying.
Speaker 3: If a snake hit me, I'm dying. I got no
Speaker 3: experience with that. We got we gotta make real reality shows.
Speaker 3: You know how they got fake fair factor. We gotta
Speaker 3: make like hood factor.
Speaker 7: They got shot at some hood.
Speaker 1: Good if you want to be shot at? What is
Speaker 1: the internet to someone? Put me onto this. It's a
Speaker 1: little suspect. We're gonna have a real game.
Speaker 7: Put something where they do ghosts chasing and it's a
Speaker 7: little crazy. We don't have.
Speaker 1: Ghosts in the hood.
Speaker 3: We got we got a woman named Wanda that wakes
Speaker 3: up every day.
Speaker 1: And says good morning.
Speaker 3: That ship is the experience, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: Like every every hood got a crazy person, right, Like
Speaker 3: every hood has a crazy person. The zombie now is
Speaker 3: the characters that you write, is they based on real characters?
Speaker 3: All to tell a lot of them and best especially
Speaker 3: the hoodie one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. There's so many characters in the hood. You know,
Speaker 4: you're right, there's always a neighborhood crazy person.
Speaker 3: It's always and everybody deals with they crazy like they like, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's that she.
Speaker 1: Does, like.
Speaker 4: Maybe one and then maybe on some days they're not crazy,
Speaker 4: and I don't feel like they're crazy today, like I don't,
Speaker 4: you know, and they don't be the.
Speaker 3: Best advice and you don't listen to crazy, yo, John Man,
Speaker 3: I can't thank you enough. Man, Yo, you're such a legend.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 1: You did so much for this game.
Speaker 3: You did so much for the for for for hip hop,
Speaker 3: and particularly by you always incorporating a hip hop artist
Speaker 3: even you got method Man and Rebel Medicine, Rebel Rebel
Speaker 3: right now, and you also go the f X we didn't.
Speaker 4: Even in Snowfall. You know, it's a whole lot of you.
Speaker 3: Keep it hip hop incorporated. We appreciate that, man, because
Speaker 3: you all do. You're a legend, Yo. We're one of
Speaker 3: the best artists ever and you keep us alive and
Speaker 3: there's nothing And you also was the first person to
Speaker 3: put a West Coast guy and an East Coast.
Speaker 1: Guy in higher learning.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I don't know if you ever I don't
Speaker 3: know if you ever beat that. That was like the
Speaker 3: first that was the first union from the West Coast
Speaker 3: and East coast in the city because where was high
Speaker 3: and learning at actually at l it was in l A, Okay. See,
Speaker 3: we never knew that on the East coast. To us,
Speaker 3: we was just that was neutral. You got a West
Speaker 3: coast East coast. This is crazy, you know that, right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: You know, just my folks, just people. I was knowing
Speaker 4: at the time that you know.
Speaker 3: And I also hear that that that's how passionate you are.
Speaker 3: You like you like you like the Adam Samau Adam
Speaker 3: Sama always hired is the same crew you kind of
Speaker 3: the same.
Speaker 4: Crew you like to put you know, people I know
Speaker 4: and work people I know, you know, and we just
Speaker 4: we make something happen.
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: Is it easier that way when you work with somebody
Speaker 3: you know, because you know you can scream on him
Speaker 3: and you.
Speaker 4: Can just scream on I screamed on everybody, that's all,
Speaker 4: you know. But but what I do is I make
Speaker 4: careers though you know what I'm saying. When people work
Speaker 4: on me, they end up doing other stuff. Though that's
Speaker 4: not just a flash in the pan, get the latest
Speaker 4: rapper in the movie for the face look whatever like No,
Speaker 4: it's like people do, they end up doing other things,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I've been trying to.
Speaker 3: Get something for John singlet hen't come out of the
Speaker 3: socks line. I'm just wear it like I'm down with Singleton.
Speaker 3: That's my nigga. My brother, Thank you so much, my brother,
Speaker 3: be good. We got anything else? And and do you want.
Speaker 1: To come eat? They got it all man, We got
Speaker 1: it all right, yo.
Speaker 3: Man, this has been an honor. Man your first director.
Speaker 1: Verse for drink Champs, the first drink in the first
Speaker 1: direction to that, I'll take another one. God damn it.
Speaker 3: Don't don't don't, don't tell me they have a good time.
Speaker 3: And now you're going to going to premiere of Rebel
Speaker 3: also on f X.
Speaker 4: Red Rebel is on BT, Rebels on b T, Snowfalls
Speaker 4: or f X stuff All you didn't talk about stuffs
Speaker 4: saying Fall was about it's the beginning of the whole
Speaker 4: prat trade in l A, it's about cocaine.
Speaker 9: Tonight to day you got two shows A b C
Speaker 9: was the summer tonight, said ABC on A b C.
Speaker 9: To this is l a burning, a burning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is it the anniversaryll do you realize how busy
Speaker 1: is you got?
Speaker 4: Other man?
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's make some noise.
Speaker 4: It's about the twenty fifth anniversary of the LA Riots.
Speaker 1: Wow, damn, it's crazy. It's been that long already. It's
Speaker 1: twenty five. That's after Rodney King. Yeah that is Rodney Yeah,
Speaker 1: Ronney King got twenty five years ago. That's rare.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a verdict yeah, yeah right, yeah, So let's let's
Speaker 3: break that down for the people who a quickly we
Speaker 3: get about it here.
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, it's just you know, it's a it's documentary
Speaker 4: about what happened and takes it from the street point
Speaker 4: of view of the people who basically are from South
Speaker 4: Central and uh, the Korean culture and the Latin of
Speaker 4: the people who were really scarred by it were in
Speaker 4: the middle of it.
Speaker 1: Okay, when you say Korean, the Koreans was riding to
Speaker 1: their business.
Speaker 4: They were defending their hysicists from being looted, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, Like it was a war. There's a
Speaker 4: war zone, you know, like so but we we got
Speaker 4: you know, we got perspectives that no one else has
Speaker 4: in this documentary and what.
Speaker 1: Was the Latinos saying coming from just.
Speaker 4: Well the people in the documentary just they got caught
Speaker 4: up in it. They got actually you know, they got
Speaker 4: hurt by it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm trying to tell you. Like my
Speaker 1: grandparents lived in Inglewood and they called me during the
Speaker 1: riots the blood no man, they blood right, that's not
Speaker 1: that's not.
Speaker 6: The truth mixed and they called me and they were
Speaker 6: telling me they were like, the Latinos are rioting too,
Speaker 6: because it wasn't showing it on TV.
Speaker 4: They made that riot pretty much a black lid and
Speaker 4: they were there more Latino was rioting and then the
Speaker 4: black people riding, but they didn't want to show that.
Speaker 6: It says, I'm not gonna front since my family's Cuban.
Speaker 6: They look they like, we're not Mexican, like the Mexicans
Speaker 6: are right, but.
Speaker 4: But it's like but it was Mexicans and our Salvadorians,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like people would who basically
Speaker 4: are you used to like war situations that were like
Speaker 4: really going at it was like it was like green light,
Speaker 4: let's go anarchy, you know what I'm saying, Like from
Speaker 4: their country for war, they grew up in war. So
Speaker 4: they were like, Hey, you know, I'm gonna get my car.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna put it up on pet boys. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: get me some new tires. I'm gonna put the transmission.
Speaker 4: People were doing transmissions and changing their cars up. You know,
Speaker 4: we didn't show this in the documentary, but I'm saying,
Speaker 4: you know they were doing that, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: like doing the riot. So, I mean, there's so many
Speaker 4: different stories to be told within that man, so many
Speaker 4: wild time. It was a while, it was wild time.
Speaker 3: And I know you're not gonna tell me this, but
Speaker 3: I feel like, what is John, What is your next move?
Speaker 3: My next What are you making the big Pun movie
Speaker 3: with me?
Speaker 1: That would be an amazing movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, big, but let's make the movie. I don't know
Speaker 4: the whole story. You know what's really funny is because
Speaker 4: we was rolling in the same time in the nineties,
Speaker 4: like Pun had all the bad Puerto ricanditions.
Speaker 10: He had right now, all the funnest I was so
Speaker 10: jealous meet that right now. I was so jealous girls
Speaker 10: like honey, he had he not he not he not
Speaker 10: he not fat like belly fat.
Speaker 1: He was the whole room. And he had three or
Speaker 1: four around him, right, and they were so beautiful it's
Speaker 1: gonna kill me, but don't worry about it.
Speaker 4: They were so beautiful, like your face would hurt when
Speaker 4: you saw them. And we would hang out at Jimmy's Bronx.
Speaker 4: We were hanging on Jimmy's Bronx and it would just
Speaker 4: be like it would be girls coming from d R
Speaker 4: and from from Puerto Rico.
Speaker 1: They couldn't speaking.
Speaker 4: Laders that were like models, and every nigga that was
Speaker 4: a hip hop would be a Jimmy's Bronx.
Speaker 1: That's right, you know what I'm saying. That's right. Look,
Speaker 1: you know you can tell John we walk up there.
Speaker 1: You know. I used to walk up there and Joe
Speaker 1: would be there and and they'd be like, what you
Speaker 1: want to eat?
Speaker 4: It would be like do we eat? Eat all you
Speaker 4: could eat, drink all you could eat, and then you
Speaker 4: go dance and it would be Friday night.
Speaker 1: It was like Friday nights. It was Friday night was
Speaker 1: a band and the Saturday was hip hop exactly. You know,
Speaker 1: because I went to.
Speaker 4: The riding spots in New York.
Speaker 1: I lived in New York. I was the grindiest spot.
Speaker 4: And you know, like we would eat we would drink
Speaker 4: and you know, it was always like Saturday night. Friday
Speaker 4: night was the people who were newly immigrated to New
Speaker 4: York because English, they just came, you know, some kind of.
Speaker 1: Spanish to get a bit, right, yeah, a little bits.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the whole boy to be like hey listen, right,
Speaker 4: but Saturday night somebody will always get shot.
Speaker 1: But when we go both right that what you got
Speaker 1: to you got you got. You don't know that. So
Speaker 1: you net a Latin movie, right, you never did a
Speaker 1: whole Latin movie. It's called legal Tender. Oh yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like they got their own.
Speaker 4: I Potago Potago called the own in this first movie.
Speaker 4: And then they took him off and put him in
Speaker 4: faster furious. That's my brother, some brother from from I
Speaker 4: think that's why you know.
Speaker 1: They go, they go Louisa, let me say no, Louisa,
Speaker 1: let me say me, and you would be the lights
Speaker 1: the most like.
Speaker 4: Skinning exactly, like yeah, you like I shot that down there,
Speaker 4: I produced that down there. I shot that down there,
Speaker 4: and we were just you know, it was it was
Speaker 4: a movie.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: Then you had the other dude in there, that the
Speaker 3: young kid with the afro, Rick Gonzales yeahs out my
Speaker 3: man from basketball movie.
Speaker 1: But coach car Yeah it's not good actor.
Speaker 3: Because I know you got to go so but how
Speaker 3: do you actually see talent? Like when people say like
Speaker 3: what what what?
Speaker 4: What is it?
Speaker 1: Is?
Speaker 7: It is it?
Speaker 4: When you it's just my vibe. It's like when a
Speaker 4: vibe or somebody, I'll be like, okay, vibe with them
Speaker 4: and say, okay, if I can get that original, what's
Speaker 4: really special about them? A the original vibe on camera
Speaker 4: out to the world. Then that then that the world
Speaker 4: see what I see. And that's how it goes from me.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I can't.
Speaker 3: Hell, by the way, it was ill, but because I
Speaker 3: got a friend, right Sonny Sonny d Sonny d BT
Speaker 3: is the funniest guy off camera off camera, he will
Speaker 3: roast you. But the minute you say action and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I mean, he's not that bad, but he made him
Speaker 3: like an idiot.
Speaker 1: That was totally wrong.
Speaker 3: Sorry, but he's not the same, Like it's not the
Speaker 3: same when it's all how do you like if you
Speaker 3: was to see that from the actor and you just say, damn,
Speaker 3: you know, I see off camera off camera you're fucking excellent.
Speaker 3: But once I say I.
Speaker 4: Spent I spend time off camera pulling get out of people,
Speaker 4: because I've had people like that too. Okay, really like
Speaker 4: they got that, but they don't. They're nervous.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's like get out of yourself. You know.
Speaker 3: What helps them get out of that? What would help
Speaker 3: if you was to do that, is it liveies?
Speaker 4: Like it depends on the person. It depends on the person, like.
Speaker 6: Are you already hiring them or sending them to like
Speaker 6: a coaching class where they're like a little bit.
Speaker 4: Of both, a little bit of both, and you know,
Speaker 4: you know, I coach them and then you know, and
Speaker 4: then I have other people work with them too, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Well, John Man, we robbed you for all your knowledge.
Speaker 3: You know, we are schooled, we are blessed, we are honored.
Speaker 3: I want to tell you you're one of the greatest
Speaker 3: artists of all time. And that's included everything at all
Speaker 3: art period. You were one of the greatest artists of
Speaker 3: all time.
Speaker 1: I was very honored. It's good. My boy Trevor told
Speaker 1: me you're John to do it. I was like, for real,
Speaker 1: Like I was, I was so scared.
Speaker 3: I went I watched every interview you ever did that
Speaker 3: Google every I knew, I knew you personally, but I
Speaker 3: just wanted I wanted to appreciate your art and we
Speaker 3: did it.
Speaker 1: And man, I just can't tell you how much I
Speaker 1: appreciate you. I want you to continue to do your.
Speaker 3: And continue to do your thing because we are proud
Speaker 3: of what you're doing in cinema and we watch everything
Speaker 3: and we support everything, and we're gonna continue to do that.
Speaker 3: This makes a noise for motherfucker Johnson and I'm still
Speaker 3: finishing my drink too as well.