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Speaker 1: Let's start in Chester, Pennsylvania. Okay, Um, I've only heard

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Speaker 1: stories about your dad, Butch, I don't. But there are

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Speaker 1: stories from other people, and occasionally you've sprinkled them in

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Speaker 1: in in other interviews. Um, what's your what's your first memory?

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Speaker 1: Your dad coached kids like growing up, So what's your

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Speaker 1: of being in a so called jim. It was a

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Speaker 1: poor excuse for jim, but that that was that's my

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Speaker 1: first exposure. What was it called, Well, it was in Upland, Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 1: which is a burrow right outside of Chester. UM. And

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Speaker 1: I can't tell you what it was called, because I

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Speaker 1: don't think it had a name. Uh. They just said

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Speaker 1: let's go to the gym. And it was right next

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Speaker 1: So I can I can see it to this day

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Speaker 1: any round ball we could. But that was that wasn't

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Speaker 1: a gym that was outside sure Umber. Okay, you you

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Speaker 1: better at quarterback? No? I was not a very good quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I didn't turn the ball over. Uh. Kind of like

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Speaker 1: that's how we tried to coach UM. I was trying

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Speaker 1: to inject a little Humber there, Doug. But I don't

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Speaker 1: I got it. I got it. I believe it. But football.

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Speaker 1: there was a lot of three yards in the cloud

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Speaker 1: the other schools on the south side of Philly. When

428
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: I was playing at Chester, we had schools from the

429
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: north side, Shelton, am Abington, Lower Maryon h Lawrence Town, Marple,

430
00:27:55,560 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: New Town, schools like that. Um. But once I got

431
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: the Sun Valley in that leg was Chichester, Chester from

432
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: Sun Valley, UM Inner Berth. These are schools that most

433
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: people out there obviously aren't familiar with. But what I

434
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: did was because I was from the area, I had

435
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: some current tacts that we actually put together a pretty

436
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: good summer So that was fun. Plus uh, it kind

437
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: of gave me a chance to you know, you weren't

438
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: allowed to coach, but at least gave me a chance

439
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: to see these kids playing, kind of like we do

440
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: when we go to Vegas or Chicago or Affility for

441
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: the au stuff. Um. So yeah, so I went to

442
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: some vallet for two years. So here here's the big

443
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: here's my big question. What kind of coach were you

444
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: at Sun Valley? Like now you've experienced different levels an

445
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: I a junior high school, your dad playing yourself, your

446
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: high school coach. What kind of coach are you? I mean,

447
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: I know the fundamental that I believe this. I know

448
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: you're not gonna believe this, but we pressed thirty two minutes.

449
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: I believe it. You pressed in your platfel didn't you?

450
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: We pressed it some val at some valley and the

451
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: plat yes, sure. And the pressure was an annoyance. It wasn't.

452
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: We didn't have like thirty minutes a hell like lan Um.

453
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: But we were in Luss. I had all these guys

454
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: who were all between like five ten and six one,

455
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: and I could shuffle guys in and out and people

456
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't even know there were different guys with the court.

457
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: It was. But uh, finally, um, they brought in and

458
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: we played in the state tournament. It's not like back

459
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: then everybody got a chance to play. You had to

460
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: You had to even win your conference or have some

461
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:07,239
Speaker 1: kind of wild card um selection to get in. So

462
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: we ended up going in state tournament. Uh. This was

463
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: very enjoyable, you know, it made believers out of a

464
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: lot of people. And then that's when Coachfield was offered

465
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: the Wisconsin shop. Right, so Bill cole Fields, if people

466
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: are falling now, Bill Calefield, the same guy because you

467
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: preview A and M, same guy who went to Dominican

468
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: became the first African American assistant history of the a

469
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: C at Virginia. Then in UH nineteen seventies six, was

470
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: offered the job at Wisconsin, placing John Palace. Um, okay,

471
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: so he calls you and after the American head coach

472
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: in the Big ten. Wow, So so did he did

473
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: you call him? Did he called you? Do you remember

474
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: how you got the job? He called me? We had

475
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: stayed until he said whenever he got his break. Um,

476
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: he felt very confident that coaching McCarry holland with that

477
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: team of Avaroni and Wally Walker and Stokes and um,

478
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: whoever else they had that was pretty good team. Uh

479
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: in Virginia played in the n c A tournament. So

480
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: Mike Schuler was the other assistant. Mike Schuler was offered

481
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: I believed Rice job and Coachfield was offered the Wisconsin job. Um,

482
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: obviously at you know then it was the terment was

483
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: smaller early on. Um, it expanded kind of late late

484
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: during you know, it didn't expand until the eighties. But

485
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: Wisconsin hadn't been the n A terman since nineteen forty seven. Um,

486
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: it was a so and it's amazing you tell people

487
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: that now they're like, no way, Like yeah, I mean,

488
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: I mean, STU got them there once. That was the

489
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: first time. It was in ninety four. So forty seven

490
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: and ninety four never been to the tournament, right, And

491
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: you reached them every yes, I mean listen, but every

492
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: year you were there, you went to its crazy every

493
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: year you're there, I mean for it's a program. So

494
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: what were the what do you remember about the challenges

495
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: of Wisconsin then? Why was it such a challenging job

496
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: in the Big ten to get to the tournament? Talked

497
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: about when I was an assistant, Yes, okay, well you

498
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: mentioned one the fact that they worked very many teams

499
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: that were selected. Um, the field was not sixty four. Uh.

500
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: The other thing was the Big Tenth was really good. UH.

501
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: And not that the Big Ten isn't good now, of

502
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: course it is. But when you think about all the

503
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: guys from the Big Ten that played between seventies six

504
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: and mid eighties. When I was in Wisconsin as an assistant, UM,

505
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: there was a lot of town. There was a lot

506
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: of town, a lot of good teams, and we just

507
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: we just couldn't break through. UM. For the first time

508
00:32:54,640 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: in my life with basketball, UH was part of the

509
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: losing team. And I say a team because you know,

510
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: it's not just coaching, it's not just players, it's not

511
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: it's just UH. I just couldn't get it to mesh uh.

512
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: And so therefore we will let go. And I was

513
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: asked to keep the players who were there, that Brad Seller,

514
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: Scott Roth, Corey Blackwells of the world. We needed to

515
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: keep them there for the next coach. So I agreed

516
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: to do that. UM. And then meanwhile, jud Heathcote had

517
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: offered me a job, UH, and several other coaches in

518
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: the Midwest had offered assistant coaching jobs. And then I

519
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: just said, I'm going to stay here, uh if the

520
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: new guy wants me find if not. So that was

521
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: Steve Older came in. Um, we're recruiting a young man

522
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 1: by the name of Ricky Olsen. He was from Madison.

523
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: Turned out to be pretty good Big ten players. Um,

524
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 1: and we're sitting in the living room and Coach Older

525
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: gives his talk and then uh, he asked Ricky if

526
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: he had any questions rick and Coach Older says the Ricky, Uh, yeah,

527
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: you got any questions? And Rickey goes, are you keeping

528
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 1: Coach Ryan? So we hadn't even't talk. Really, we hadn't

529
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: done because I had taken him right from the airport

530
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: to Ricky Olsen's house. So Coach Oulder just said, well,

531
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: of course I am. He says that I'm coming to Wisconsin.

532
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: So anyhow, that's how that one worked out. And he

533
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 1: had already told Mark Tetty was coming. And for people

534
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 1: who are forgetting right, this is right, this is yeah.

535
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: And Marquette obviously in the seventies won a national championship.

536
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 1: And you mentioned how good the Big Ten was. People

537
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: forget seventy six was the great you know, the great

538
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: Indiana team as well. So team, right, So I mean

539
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: like this is okay. Um, what what's fascinating me is okay?

540
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: So now, Kfield, how did Cofield's teams play well? Um?

541
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: In all fairness, he never really had a system. He

542
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: would change sometimes he would change in the middle of

543
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: the year. Um. And one of the things that I

544
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: know people say about me, because they say it to

545
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: my face, is that your your teams never change. You

546
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: have a system. Well, you know, if the system is

547
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: take care of the ball, get good shots, play good defense.

548
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: But then you're gonna win a lot of games. So

549
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: if that's a system, I like that system. Uh. But yeah,

550
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: it was what I learned. He gave me the biggest

551
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: break in my life. You got me into college coaching. Uh.

552
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: And the one thing to take away I took away

553
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: that I knew could help me is to get a tweak.

554
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: Tweak what you have each year, you've got a little

555
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: different teams, you do some different things, but developed players

556
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: by having a consistent system, right, and people will get better. Um.

557
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: And boy, when we got the plat Mill and I

558
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 1: got to be a head coach, it really worked. That's

559
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: what That's why I got a chance to do it

560
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 1: as a head coach. And uh, and I've never changed

561
00:36:54,600 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: after that. That's exactly the that That's exactly the age

562
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to get to. Okay, So how did the

563
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: how did the Platfield job come about? Well, the gentleman

564
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: that was there had had some good teams, but the

565
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: last six seasons they had lost twenty or more games

566
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: every year. So the position opened. You know, positions open

567
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: because somebody the seal is not doing the job, or

568
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 1: it's open because somebody was doing the job and left

569
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: to go somewhere, or somebody retires. So um. George Crisp,

570
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: whose son is now the head football coach at the

571
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: University of Wisconsin, Paul Crest, his dad was the one

572
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: that recruited me down to platfell Um. I had spent

573
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: two years with coach Older, and I felt I needed

574
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: to I needed to use the paint rushers. I didn't

575
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: need to carry the paint kids anymore. Uh, just that

576
00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: itch that. Okay, I gotta sick my teeth into something here. Um,

577
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: and I went in there with a lot of freshmen.

578
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: Really weren't a whole lot of returning players that we're

579
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: going to help us. But run in there and started

580
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: doing some things, conditioning, running hills, ah, the weight training.

581
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: The you know, having been in Division one, that's when

582
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: weight training in the seventies was starting to be big

583
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: because if you remember Robi and Phillips down at Kentucky

584
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: and then like Purdue, you had a couple of guys

585
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: I'm drawing a blank on their names now, but you

586
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: remember those guys from Purdue. They got in the weight

587
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: room a little bit in the seventies. Well, so we

588
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: you know, we got the lifting weights a little more, uh,

589
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: and I put a system in and that was a

590
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: lot of Jack Ramsey stuff because he had coached in

591
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: the in the St area at a Catholic school and

592
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: then was at St. Joe's and then coach in the

593
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: n b A, and then Jack McKinney lived across the

594
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: street from him for a couple of years when I

595
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: was like six seven eight years old. So pressure, pressure defense.

596
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: So I got a chance to put that in early.

597
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: And then again it was more a nuisance. But what

598
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: happened was in we went I mean, we were not

599
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 1: in scholarship at Platteville the whole time, but we were

600
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: paying dues to the n A I A and n

601
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: C A Division three. So coach Chris, George Chris, the

602
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: football coach in the a D, came to me and said,

603
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: h do you mind if we only go Division three

604
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: from here on out? Because n A I a double

605
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: there tripled their dues. And I said sure. I said

606
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: that I don't coach for the trophy. I mean I'm

607
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: coaching to develop these guys and you know, skill wise

608
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: and things to get ready for later in life. And

609
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 1: you know that's that mattered to meet with the Vision

610
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: worry Um. So that first year that we went solely

611
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 1: to Vision three, we won the national championship by pressure.

612
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: We average nineties some points a game. Uh. Robbie Jeter

613
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: was the captain of that team. They're just the guy,

614
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: a skinny guy, about great, about a hundred and fifty

615
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: pounds I think when he came to the plat bell Um.

616
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: But that that group ended up winning our first national

617
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: championship and it was worth pressure. And our last two

618
00:40:54,880 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 1: national championship teams was more done with not very much pressure.

619
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: And then the one in between and when we were

620
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: thirty one and oh and beat Steve Alfred's team for

621
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: the championship. Um, that was a combination. We pressured some,

622
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: but we called it basically show and go like show pressure.

623
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: But once the first baskets in get back because believe

624
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: it or not, sometimes guys and they take them ball

625
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: out of bounds. They getting lazy, they jump out, they

626
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: think they've got bold, they're used to throwing it in

627
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: right away. And then you get to steal, you get

628
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: an easy basket, and a lot of good things happen. Um.

629
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: But that's that's how we uh, that's how it went

630
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: in at Platteville. But George Chris was the guy who

631
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,439
Speaker 1: taught me into taking the ten thousand dollar pay cut

632
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: to be a head coach. What were you making was

633
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: what were you making Wisconsin want to make a Platville.

634
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: I was making like thirty five thousand that Wisconsin and

635
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: took the job for twenty five thousand. That Platfell and

636
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: Kelly and I we uh, after our first few years

637
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: we realized, uh, eventually when we got there are five

638
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: to having five children, we were one thousand dollars short

639
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: on our income tax filing to receive free lunches for

640
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: our kids at school. And I think she had tears

641
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: in her rise, like not because we didn't get it,

642
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: but We didn't realize the cut off line that we

643
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: were living on with five kids, but who cared? We

644
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 1: were okay um um the swing? How did you develop

645
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: the offense? Well, when I was an assistant, I got

646
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: a chance we could we could live scout in the seventies.

647
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: Of course that stopped and once everybody got filmed on

648
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: everybody else, and you build games on TV and in

649
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: the exchange film so you could live scalt. So I

650
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: can remember seeing uh, jud Heathcote, Probabu Night, Uh, Johnny

651
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: or Luhnson? Uh? Who else? Uh? Trying to think Ludolson

652
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: lives at Iowa, Rudolson. Anyhow, I could see these teams

653
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at the offenses, looking at defenses right

654
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: in the scouting report up boom boom boom um developed

655
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: a sheet that I ended up when I was running

656
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: basketball camps and for the coaches in Wisconsin and all that,

657
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: trying to hey, if you're going to do the scouting report,

658
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: first th how far on the walls from the annualary?

659
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: How much room do you have on the sideline whereas

660
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: the scoreboard? Can you make a full court pass with

661
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: two seconds to go? Are their obstructions are their banners

662
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: hanging down, uh, and what kind of basketball are they using?

663
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: And that was that was thirty years ago, orty years ago, um,

664
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: because I'd always try to make sure I had at

665
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: least one basketball of every kind of ball that the

666
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: teams in the league were using. And people thought I

667
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: was crazy. Um, there was a little method to the madness.

668
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: So anyhow, that was that was kind of the beginning

669
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: of the idea of the pressure. And there are times

670
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: that we used pressure, uh in from two thousand two

671
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: to two thousand fifteen, where we used pressure towards the

672
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: end of the game, or we just didn't have I

673
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: never felt we had the type of team that we

674
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: could pressure for forty minutes. But but again, but so

675
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: the swing has some flex properties to it, right, but

676
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: it's it's okay, yeah, Well, the thing about the scouting,

677
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: that's where I saw these different actions. So what I

678
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: did when we got the platfell, I started putting the

679
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: actions together up screen the U c L A cut

680
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: Michigan used a little bit too, Johnny or did back screens,

681
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: you know, the Tom Davis teams with the back screens.

682
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: UH flex cuts as it was called. Then flex cuts

683
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: to to a coach Davis was more to the baseline.

684
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: Our back screens are flex cut was more off of

685
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: the free throw line extended. So we had up screens,

686
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: we had back screens, and we always had pressure releases

687
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: because my area on offenses, there's one ball, there's four

688
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: guys away from the ball. So those four guys are

689
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: two tandems of two. Well that's what the tandement. But yeah,

690
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 1: you got you got a teammate who you can play

691
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: off of. And just like the old guys at the

692
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: Y m c A. That would beat us because they

693
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: knew how to cut and read, pick and roll, picking

694
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: pop and then the old guys would run the court

695
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: at the Y and we'd say, how the heck did

696
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: those guys beat us? Well, what they did was they

697
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,959
Speaker 1: were willing to work with a teammate and get them open.

698
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: It wasn't all one or one stuff. Um you know

699
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: the trew who's who's the biggest and baddest. So I

700
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: call them actions. So we also had fade screens. Fade

701
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: screens were starting to be something that people were using

702
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: where we had them right in the swing. And then finally,

703
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: the last screen is a ball screen because obviously in

704
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: college you got shot clock, and you need to make

705
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: a play often um picking poper picking role action. So

706
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: with those actions in mind, like my dad's football teams

707
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: run these three plays better right, block, better, read better

708
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: and in basketball same thing, screen better, don't set in

709
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: illegal screens, and you can get people open. So that's

710
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: what the swing was. And then I gave it the

711
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: name because I got up into the second floor where

712
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: there was a window that looked down in the gym,

713
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: and I had our guys. I had one of my assistants,

714
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 1: had them run through the offense dummy run without any defense,

715
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: and as I watched it, I said, just looks like

716
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: a swing going back and forth. So that's why I

717
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: call it the swing. I didn't have the swing in

718
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: my mind until I saw these guys running it from

719
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: up the ball. And then did you immediately start You

720
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: mentioned about having a having a system, and then you know,

721
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: one of the things that again I think gets lost

722
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: on your success is now only did you guys develop

723
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: people within the system, right, like, look, you know what

724
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: it's gonna take to play. You're gonna have to do

725
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: these things. This is how we play. But also you

726
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: recruited to the system. Was Are you able to do

727
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: that at a platfill where you don't offer scholarships or

728
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: do you just you try and go out and get

729
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: the best kids in Wisconsin that people missed on or

730
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: whatever and getting like, how do you when did you

731
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: start maybe recruiting to the system. Well that's a great question,

732
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: but it's really easily answered at because most of them

733
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: were engineers. It was an engineering school, So I'm not

734
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: saying all of them were obviously, but um, it was.

735
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: It was guys. When it came to recruiting any kid

736
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: who was a good basketball player who wanted to be

737
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:10,760
Speaker 1: an engineer, we always got it. Um once we started,

738
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: you know, once we kicked into gear. Uh, but we're

739
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: in the southwest corner of Wisconsin. Everybody told me I

740
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: was crazy taking the job there, Um that you know,

741
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: Claire has this, Uh, Stevens Point has this. Uh, Whitewater

742
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: has this. And people gave me all these reasons not

743
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: to take the job. And the morn they gave me reasons,

744
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: the more I wanted to take the job. And I'm

745
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: glad I did. And it was with the swing, it's

746
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: an equal opportunity offense. Yet the better players are going

747
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 1: to get the shots. I mean, you know, you prove

748
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: you can score, you prove you can play. Um, you

749
00:49:53,560 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: know we'll we'll get you looks. So it became you know,

750
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: it eliminates clicks, It eliminates you know, you just a

751
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: comment that was made by another coach after I had

752
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: left plat Bill was coach you would you would sub

753
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 1: and it never seemed like the guys changed. And then

754
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: the next year you would lose four or five six

755
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: seniors and your team looked exactly the same. It was

756
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: like they accused me of having clothes. Yes, um, but

757
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: it was just because it was the way we played. Sure, Sure,

758
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: and and you can make the same you can make

759
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: the same accusation. Obviously there were some groups that were

760
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 1: different Wisconsin, and you can make the same accuation. Accusation.

761
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: Wisconsin was like when you bringing in you bring in

762
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: another tall dude, they can step out and shoot you like, wait,

763
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 1: what what where do they where do they all? Where

764
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 1: do they all? They all have h you know, clean

765
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 1: cut haircut, and they all look, you know, like Jimmy

766
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: Chip would, and they can all shoot like Jimmy Chit would,

767
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: And then they beat the crap at you on the

768
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: defensive end um and do so with their bodies, not

769
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: with their hands. Okay, so, uh did you was there

770
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: any point where you thought, you know what I just

771
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: I mean like, look, you had a couple of defeated teams,

772
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: you won all these national championships. You're you're dominating. You

773
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: can have become synonymous with Division three basketball. You are

774
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: the guy was ever thought of, I'll just stay here

775
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: and be the king of Division three basketball, um and

776
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: and not go back to Division one. Uh not really.

777
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what happened with you w M, because well,

778
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: Drake could talk to me, Northern, I was some other

779
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: teams and a matter of fact, there was some schools

780
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,479
Speaker 1: that talked to me that later on when they saw

781
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: me in the final four or something. The a D.

782
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 1: They should YEA though, we're sorry, we missed, we missed

783
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: not offering you today. Yes, you know you took. You

784
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,479
Speaker 1: got the guy that you wanted. That's what you gotta do.

785
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,280
Speaker 1: And what you w M made a decision is they

786
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: they wanted me, and it's nice to be wanted. Um.

787
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:10,479
Speaker 1: So the chancellor in the a D and the chance

788
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 1: that really it was Nancy Zimper who ended up being

789
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: uh the president at Cincinnati, uh, when Huggy was there.

790
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 1: But anyhow, she she kind of made it like, we

791
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: we need something here in Milwaukee. And I looked at

792
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,919
Speaker 1: the city and I'm thinking, I've been in the state

793
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: of Wisconsin. I got twenty twenty some years in four

794
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: years in widely the state. State has one of the

795
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: best pension systems in the war in the country. Um So,

796
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: let me give you w M a try. Let me

797
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: let me give Division one. And I used to joke

798
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 1: that we won in double overtime in our last national

799
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 1: championship team my last year, and I said I needed

800
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: to go to Vision one because in Division three they

801
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 1: were catching up one. You built a monster. Now everybody

802
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: was coming out, You're a wise guy. I'm know. We

803
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: were joking about it one time and so yeah, so

804
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 1: and you TREVM was a project they needed some work.

805
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 1: Um So, anyhow, but we had the same situation we

806
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 1: went to platte Ville, when I went to Sun Valley

807
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:39,439
Speaker 1: High School, book Aiden, UH, at Wisconsin, we went into

808
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: a situation where it wasn't anywhere near like the other

809
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: ones as far as where they were. Um So, what

810
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: happens is, uh, I wanted to take the challenge. It

811
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: was just this seemed like the right time, and I

812
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: was still in the state of Wisconsin. Uh and so

813
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: we Uh. Plus, I like the couch that your dad

814
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: left there. He had this big orange couch when he

815
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: coached at WM and it was still there. I have

816
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 1: no doubt that it was still there. His his thing

817
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: was they were Division one. They were Division one, and

818
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: he started this panther backer program. And again this is

819
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: all you know, second third hand information from my dad

820
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: or my memory or other people have told me. And

821
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: they started a really good booster program. They had you know,

822
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: the on campus arena which they the Clatchy Center, which

823
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: had just opened. Um. And remember this is coinciding with

824
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: Marquette winning a national championship, right, So in addition to

825
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: being kind of a startup Division one, you're in the

826
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 1: shadow of Al McGuire winning a national championship. Not nonetheless, Um,

827
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: you know when title nine was passed, you know, all

828
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: of a sudden, every penny he raised was going to

829
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: go to the women's side. He was gonna have to

830
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: take a pay cut to go and then go Division three.

831
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: And you know, like they independent trying to find games,

832
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: like there was a lot to it. Obviously, it was

833
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: a tough, tough job, and I have no doubt that

834
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: the couch was. I wish you would have left some

835
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: of his sports coats behind as well. He chose he

836
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: chose nach Um okay, So so you're there. You're there

837
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: two years the hum in that era, Yes, um, uh,

838
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: you're there two years now. I was told Northwestern offered

839
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: you the job at the same time Wisconsin offered you

840
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: the job. Can you confirm or deny? I'll be real No,

841
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: I'll give you the real lowdown on that. That's not

842
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:40,479
Speaker 1: how it happened. Um. The a D there at the time.

843
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: It was a good, good man. Uh. He A couple

844
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: of players from Northwestern had gone to him and said, hey,

845
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: did you ever look at the sky? The said Platville

846
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: uh or a youm now, but you know what he

847
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 1: did at patl Well, they were couple of guys from

848
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:06,399
Speaker 1: the state of Wisconsin, and so the a D did

849
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: some checking and I'm playing golf uh in the Milwaukee

850
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: area and a guy comes out in the cart and

851
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: he says, um, I just wanted to tell you there's

852
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know if he wanted to make the call

853
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: right away or but the the a d from Northwestern

854
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: that called and left his name a number. Uh, And

855
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: I said, okay, well I'm done playing. I'll give him

856
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: a call. So here here's what happened. He was going

857
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: to bring me in with the idea that it seemed

858
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: the way he was talking that I would have been

859
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: offered the job. But he said he had a big

860
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: time coach coming in. Yeah, and that if he didn't

861
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 1: take the job, that he was going to bring me

862
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: in and sit down and we'll have a talk. I said, client, great,

863
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: thank you for being honest with me. So Bill Carmody

864
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: flew in. Bill Carmody took the job. Okay, how long

865
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: after that did you get the How long after that

866
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: do you get the Wisconsin job? One more year? I

867
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: think he was there. Um, yeah he was. He was

868
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: there at two thousand. Yeah it was it was one

869
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: more year. Yeah, he had already coached the year. Because

870
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: then I got to be the lowest paid head coach

871
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: in the Big Ten first, so Bill Bill Carmody, Bill

872
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: Carmody was making more than me. So so and that

873
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: that doesn't he I mean, build a great guy and

874
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: a great coach. I really really loved his offensive schemes,

875
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: prinstance stuff. Um, okay, so what was it like to

876
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: get the Wisconsin job? Like this is you know, obviously

877
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: your Chester guy, but as you said, like most of

878
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: your professional life, you know, you met your wife and Wisconsin. Um,

879
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: you've won national championships in Platteville. Everyone in the state

880
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 1: knows you, knows your family, families coaching in the state

881
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: as well. Um, and you had been at Wisconsin before

882
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: when when Brad isn't retained Brad Soderbergh isn't retained a

883
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: long time, Dick ben an assistant and Dick had retired. Um,

884
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: what was like during the season did you know you

885
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: were going to get? Like what? I I don't I

886
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: had just got finished playing and I was going I

887
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: was overseas, So I don't remember how you got How

888
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: did it come about that you got the job? Well,

889
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: we had almost eaten Wisconsin at Wisconsin my second year.

890
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: We had them down at halftime at our place my

891
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: first year, and then I don't know what Dick did

892
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: in the locker room with those guys, but man, he

893
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: must have. He must have gotten into him pretty good,

894
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: because they came out in the second half and just

895
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: put it to us. And then the next year we

896
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: had to go to Wisconsin and uh we had a

897
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: chaff like thirty seconds ago for a guy missed a

898
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: tip in so we don't tie the game, then we

899
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: have to foul them. So it was a close game.

900
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: But Pat Richter is a guy who was very familiar

901
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: with um my background, and because he had talked to

902
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: me before about the Wisconsin job, then they hired Stu Jackson.

903
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: I had, I had interviewed, re admitted a place, uh,

904
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: and so Stue was hired. Great, you know, let's uh.

905
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: And I continued to coach at Prattville, and then of

906
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: course stck uh took the job. And you know, I

907
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: never I never worried about where I Wasn't. I always

908
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: concerned myself with taking care of now. Um So, people say, oh, Po,

909
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: this must have been your dream job here, and I said, well, yeah,

910
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:02,439
Speaker 1: you know, who wouldn't I want to be a head

911
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: coach and the big kid. Uh. And of course it's

912
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: a job that I would want if it was ever offered.

913
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: So when Pat Richter called and we met, it was

914
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: done very fairly quickly. Um so, and they had lost

915
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: all the guys from the year before that had one

916
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 1: more year with Kelly and Burshall and Kalski Boom that

917
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: whole team. UM was back and they lost in the

918
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 1: first round and Pat Richter decided he was going to

919
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: make a change. So was I excited? Yes? I was.

920
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: The tough part was telling the Milwaukee guys who you

921
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: could see we returned in the corner. We were guys

922
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 1: were developing nicely and they ended up being pretty doll

923
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: going good uh for Bruce and h Bruce Pearl. Ye,

924
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: so you know everything wents out. What did you think

925
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: about me for the best and that's so that's uh.

926
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: We had I mean from the year before there was

927
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: kirkpennyback who had played Charlie h Charlie Rolls um, not

928
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: very many other h Devin Devin Harris? Did did you

929
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 1: signed Devin Harris? Devin Harris? Huh you signed Devin Harris? Correct? Yes?

930
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: And Devin wasn't sure Um when the coaching change was made.

931
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: You know, he didn't know me, even though I was

932
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: coaching to u W and he knew about me, and

933
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: I knew his coach and you know, new people around him.

934
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: And so we sat in the office, him and his

935
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: folks uh for quite a while and Uh, he decided

936
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: he's gonna stay with his commitment the Wisconsin. So it

937
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: was like a re recruiting process. You know what. What's

938
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 1: what's fascinating about about that musical Chairs game, right, is

939
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: you have like you hand off to Bruce. Now, look,

940
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: Bruce style is different than yours. It's more frenetic. But

941
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: they would do the show and go press, right, which

942
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: is Dr Tom Davis a little bit like some of

943
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: the stuff that you had done the Davis graduator from

944
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: plaque Villeure. So so they had they also you know,

945
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 1: they ran they call it cutters, which is that Dr

946
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 1: Tom Davis kind of version of with with the flex right.

947
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: So there's some there's there's it's not the same, but

948
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: there's some sort of what now you go take Wisconsin.

949
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: And granted they did block remover, which again is a

950
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: different offense. On the other hand, as you talked about,

951
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: it's still two guys on the side running actions with

952
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: each other. So the evolution and they taught guys how

953
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: to play basketball within their their structure, and that's kind

954
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: of what you've always done, which is like, look, we

955
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: give you structure, but then you play basketball. You know

956
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: how to play basketball within the structure, and it gives you,

957
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: in what people would think is not a lot of freedom,

958
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: it actually gives you a ton of freedom if you

959
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: know what you're doing and where you're supposed to be. Right.

960
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 1: So there, it wasn't It wasn't like you're going from

961
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: Nolan Richardson to to to Dick Bennett, right, which is

962
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: complete opposite sides of the spectrum. You're going from Dick

963
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: Bennett who had turned the corner, been to a final four,

964
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: been successful, and and now you kind of give them

965
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: how I guess the question becomes and you mentioned there's

966
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: not a ton of carry over. Kirk Penny was really

967
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: the only one. How hard was it to get people

968
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: that you didn't recruit though they knew you and respected you.

969
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: How hard was it to get guys to buy in? Well,

970
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. Our practices were down to the downs

971
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: of the minute on okay um uh, double staggered screens

972
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: today on defense, this is what we're gonna do. You're

973
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 1: to drill dribble penetration on offense post moves. I always

974
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: used the the sigma, the Kevin McHale, the Moses Baron,

975
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: the Bard King and Kevin McHale I guess I don't

976
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: know if I missed anybody in there, but anyhow that

977
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 1: reversed in it, and so every guard because I would

978
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 1: post up guards because I didn't think guards played very

979
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: good defense the post because they weren't used to it. Um.

980
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: So I just stuck with the basics, and we've started

981
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: out like what one in five and of course everybody's

982
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: going as I remember is telling Kelly one day when

983
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: I came home from a practice back my first year

984
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: and Temple had just beaten us and overturn because career

985
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 1: from third it shots. It was ridiculous, but they so

986
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 1: they beat us and it and I said, Jim, look,

987
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: you gotta understand, we got it made. I signed a

988
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: five year contract three hundred thousand dollars a year. That's

989
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 1: one point five million. We're okay, That's what I said, Hey,

990
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 1: if they want to get rid of me that first year,

991
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 1: that that first month, and then we started turning the

992
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 1: quarter um and we end up tied to the Big

993
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: Ten championship. It was Colonel like the team this year

994
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 1: you were for for people who people remember job what

995
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: the players do right where people don't remember together. Yeah,

996
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: you started your your your coaching career at Wisconsin. Start

997
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 1: off two and five, right you go? You went out

998
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 1: to Hawaii, right, you beat Halo, and then you lose

999
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: the Weber, You lose the u A, you lose the Y.

1000
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 1: You come back. You played Georgia Tech. Terrible scheduling, by

1001
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:01,919
Speaker 1: the way, play in Georgia Tech. Like three days later,

1002
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 1: off off off the plane. Um, you beat Green Bay.

1003
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: You're losing double overtime to Temple, and it's what is

1004
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: this guy doing? He took over Wisconsin and now of

1005
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: a sudden they can't. They're they're scoring in the seventies

1006
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 1: and and and then you you lost a Xavier two.

1007
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: I think you you know, after you won a game

1008
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 1: and he scored forty eight against Avier. But then then

1009
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: you guys turned the corner. Right, you beat Marquette. You

1010
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 1: had to go beat Milwaukee. What what's that like? By

1011
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 1: the way, to coach against Milwaukee your first year, all

1012
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 1: those guys you had recruited hard. That was the hardest

1013
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 1: game that I can remember. Um, because a lot of

1014
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 1: those guys tried to meet with me when I was leaving, saying, coach,

1015
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 1: take us and take me with you with uh And

1016
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 1: I did not take one player. Uh, the only guy

1017
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: that came with me was an incoming freshman who got

1018
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 1: a release from Bruce because he was a slow guard

1019
01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 1: but could score. Tyton answer, So fast forward to two

1020
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: thousand five. I'll bet nobody but people could name the

1021
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 1: starting guards for our Elite eight team in two thousand

1022
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: five that got beat by Carolina by five or six.

1023
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 1: It was Clayton Nansen and Shariff Shambles. And so Clayton

1024
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 1: is the only guy that came from Milwaukee with me. Uh.

1025
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: Soon trying to trying to get those guys ready for

1026
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 1: a game against the school where you just coached, And

1027
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 1: as my old coach would say, we crushed him. We

1028
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 1: won by two. And anytime it was a close game,

1029
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 1: coach training would always say, all right, we crushed him. Um,

1030
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: not scratched my head and go, I don't think we

1031
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 1: did anyhow, That's what happened. We gotta steal, Devin, gotta

1032
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 1: steal at the end of the game for a layup

1033
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 1: they had the last shot missed. Uh, And I was

1034
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 1: never happier for a game to be over than that one. Um.

1035
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like Alando Tucker is the

1036
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 1: first guy at Wisconsin that you recruited that perfectly fit

1037
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: how you wanted a guard to play, and he grew

1038
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 1: within the system and it they just helped me. All right,

1039
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 1: great observation because I've said it. Um you know, from

1040
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 1: a personal standpoint, in the swing, he can slash. He

1041
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: wasn't a great three point shooter, but he didn't have

1042
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 1: to be. He was a good three point shooting, but

1043
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 1: he could take you off the bounce an inside in

1044
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 1: the post for his wiry is you know, he wasn't

1045
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 1: a big muscle bound guy, but he was really strong

1046
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 1: for his weight. Um so him coming off of some

1047
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: of those back screens. And he was one of the

1048
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 1: best swing players I've ever coached, if not the best,

1049
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 1: because of all the things that he could do. But

1050
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: that's a that's a good observation on your part from

1051
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 1: the standpoint of versatility is a pretty good thing, I know.

1052
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 1: And you're right, You're totally right. Like I I never

1053
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:36,879
Speaker 1: played post defense, hated it, didn't like it in practice.

1054
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 1: And then when you get to professional basketball, they're like,

1055
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 1: if you get posted up, just foul, you get six

1056
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 1: and foul, you know, and they'll stop. And he was

1057
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: a guy who if you put a garden him. He

1058
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 1: post him up and put a big on him. He

1059
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 1: takes him outside. And if you play off of me,

1060
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 1: make a shot, big plays up on him and go

1061
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: buy him. And within your offense he becomes impossible to guard. Right,

1062
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 1: So you pay so much attention to him in the

1063
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 1: post espense to the help. And now you got your

1064
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 1: big guys out there making, you know, knocking down jump

1065
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: shots and you throw your hands up. You don't you

1066
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 1: don't know how to how to how to guard, and

1067
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: they can't turn you over, they can't speed you up,

1068
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:10,799
Speaker 1: um and it it feels kind of like an avalanche.

1069
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:14,839
Speaker 1: And then how did you get your teams to not foul?

1070
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: What is the what is the secret to playing It's

1071
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 1: one thing to enough out, it's nothing to play good defense.

1072
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: Your teams did both, how doug First of all, how

1073
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 1: many fouls are committed with hands? Two minutes? Right? All right?

1074
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:30,879
Speaker 1: So we're not going to foul with our hands. We're

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01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 1: gonna have our hands out every once in a while.

1076
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 1: I did the thing with tennis balls in the hand, uh,

1077
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 1: with the idea that it's with the feet. Yeah. First,

1078
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 1: because the feat has to get there in order for

1079
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:49,639
Speaker 1: the body to be a wall, and we've always talked

1080
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 1: about rolling up and but you have to get there

1081
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 1: first with your feet. So are conditioning um was extremely

1082
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 1: important Scott Hattenbach and then Eric Helen who we had

1083
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: the last five years, and so conditioning with trying to

1084
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 1: get guys a little quicker laterally, and so a lot

1085
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 1: of the drills that we did, especially in the preseason,

1086
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 1: uh involved getting better laterally. Get there with your feet,

1087
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 1: get your arms out and make yourself big. And your

1088
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:36,719
Speaker 1: chest is there. But you know, people say, oh yeah,

1089
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 1: Wisconsin watching, they always put their chests on you, and

1090
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 1: it well, if my chest is there and you come

1091
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 1: into my chest, I didn't put my chest on it.

1092
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: But the idea was to try to make no easy threat,

1093
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 1: noe threes, run people off the line. And of course

1094
01:11:56,040 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 1: everybody talks about it now, but I was talking about

1095
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 1: it forty years ago in junior high. They didn't have

1096
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:07,959
Speaker 1: a three point line, but no no easy outside shots,

1097
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 1: tough twos still a tough two and don't put them

1098
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 1: to the line. Uh you know, I mean you've got

1099
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: a foul at times and you can't give up. It's

1100
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 1: not like we say, oh we're a soft team. We're

1101
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 1: not going to fail you. But the key, Doug, I've

1102
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 1: always felt his feet first, the body comes and then

1103
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 1: maybe the hands on the extension. But show the palms

1104
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:41,600
Speaker 1: fingers out. Uh, don't give the officials a reason to

1105
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 1: make a call. The other thing is try to find

1106
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 1: out now that you're probably banished to home for a

1107
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 1: while it's takes, and try to find out how many

1108
01:12:54,439 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 1: fouls we ever committed. Reaching down? Don't reach down, reach

1109
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 1: out your your first great team at Wisconsin. Great team

1110
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 1: was the O eight team. Oh seven, O eight um

1111
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 1: in great in terms of won the Big Ten. You

1112
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 1: get one on some run where you win like twelve

1113
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 1: games in a row, wint one games in the I

1114
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:23,680
Speaker 1: think sweet sixteen. You're running to Davidson and Steph Curry.

1115
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:27,680
Speaker 1: Steph hits you for six threes thirty three points, right

1116
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 1: like everybody remembers Kansas, but people forget like you were

1117
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:33,640
Speaker 1: on a collision course with Kansas. They were the best

1118
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 1: team in the Big twelve. You're the best team in

1119
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 1: the Big Ten. You're getting ready to play Kansas and

1120
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:38,759
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you see you see Davidson.

1121
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: What do you remember about the Steph Curry tornado that

1122
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 1: that tore India. Well, first, I want to respond to

1123
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 1: the O five season when we're in Oklahoma City and

1124
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 1: I think it was over five Kansas and we were

1125
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 1: on the same path, you know, we we played in

1126
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 1: Northern Iowa, they played buck Mill and Kansas and the

1127
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 1: Sky Anson was going to be in the next game,

1128
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 1: supposedly remember that, And so then here we are in

1129
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:15,480
Speaker 1: OH eight, same thing. Yes, he had just he Davidson

1130
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 1: us killer did an unbelievable job with that team, and

1131
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 1: Ganzaga and Georgetown before they faced us. I mean, if

1132
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:30,679
Speaker 1: people think what was Wisconsin doing, didn't they did they

1133
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:36,640
Speaker 1: underestimate Davidson? No, No, I can remember looking at film,

1134
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 1: putting together the scouting report for Davidson and going wow.

1135
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 1: And then and people excuses are for you know, the week,

1136
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 1: but we lost Trebonn Hues for the second half and

1137
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 1: it was a one point game at halftime and Tremon

1138
01:14:56,200 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 1: uses our cricket card. Um. I thought that turnis And

1139
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 1: in the year before, we're on a collision course with

1140
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: Ohio State for the Big Ten Championship. They go on

1141
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 1: to play for the National Championship in the finals and

1142
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:15,719
Speaker 1: we lose Brian butch Um for ex ended regular season,

1143
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 1: So I thought OVER seven might have been a little

1144
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 1: bit better than the O eight team if Brian would

1145
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: have state health. He didn't dislocate his elbow, but yes,

1146
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 1: what did Seth carry do knock down big shots? But

1147
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 1: his teammates had some shots to today. They were a

1148
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 1: well rounded team. That was a good squad. When you

1149
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 1: you what, what when you finally got to a final four?

1150
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 1: What is that feeling like for a guy who's won

1151
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 1: national championships, you know, like, look, you won turn around programs, whatever.

1152
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 1: But to get Wisconsin, who had been there obviously two

1153
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 1: thousand my seniorman, But to get for your system, to

1154
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 1: do it your way with your guys to get there,

1155
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 1: what do that mean? Well, what it meant was, I

1156
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 1: know there's going to be an awful lot of happy

1157
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 1: students on campus and alumni. And you know for these players,

1158
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:22,680
Speaker 1: their parents, their family and their loved ones, um, their hometowns,

1159
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 1: they get to represent it a school like Wisconsin in

1160
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 1: the final four, it's you know, one of the biggest

1161
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 1: sports spectacles ever. Um So for me, when when you

1162
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,679
Speaker 1: say what what it meant was we had a chance

1163
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: to carry our brand for another forty minutes Hey, we

1164
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:48,680
Speaker 1: get another game, and uh, we get to represent the

1165
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:52,600
Speaker 1: school and so in all the things that come with it,

1166
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 1: and as you know, Doug being in the media, the interviews,

1167
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 1: the men, things that experience at the Final Four. When

1168
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 1: I talked to coaches that had been the coach in

1169
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 1: Final fourty years before, and I tell them about all

1170
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:15,640
Speaker 1: the different interviews and different meetings and different functions and

1171
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 1: different wow, they said, we didn't have one tenth of

1172
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 1: that in something at the Final Four. So but knowing um,

1173
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 1: you asked what did that mean? What it meant was

1174
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 1: that Wisconsin gets a chance to be out there in

1175
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 1: the forefront for another another forty minutes on the court,

1176
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: when we get to play another game for everybody involved,

1177
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 1: And I was just happy for all the people who

1178
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 1: were believers the first the Kentucky game the first year,

1179
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 1: it's a you know, it's a one point loss. Is

1180
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:58,640
Speaker 1: there is there if you could pinpoint one thing you

1181
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 1: personally would do differently. You can't make them make shots

1182
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 1: right like, you just can't. But was it is there

1183
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: one thing you would do differently? No? Because and the

1184
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 1: reason I'm saying no is because you look at film

1185
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 1: um and going into the next year. What we brought

1186
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 1: back was experienced. Um, you know, Frank didn't go pro,

1187
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 1: and Frank would have been drafted in the first round

1188
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 1: in two thousand fifteen, but not where he ended up

1189
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 1: being drafted in two thousand fifteen. Uh. And Josh Casser

1190
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 1: had red shirt year because he tore his A c

1191
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 1: L and I had watched him go through excruciating rehab.

1192
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 1: So you got those two guys an extra year. Um,

1193
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 1: and I just felt with their experience and Trey Jackson's

1194
01:18:55,439 --> 01:19:00,719
Speaker 1: and Nigel getting another year under his belt and Bronson

1195
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 1: Kiney and do you And you know I didn't like

1196
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 1: look at that loss and say, well, should I play

1197
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 1: this guy more? That guy more love? No, people, people

1198
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 1: were in position to make that a w that shot

1199
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 1: the Trayvon Jackson took at the end he hit three

1200
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 1: times in the past two years as game winners down

1201
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 1: the left hand side, Penn State, Michigan State, and somebody else.

1202
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 1: So no, I I don't And plus I don't like

1203
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:41,839
Speaker 1: to look at something and say there's only one reason,

1204
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 1: so let's just look at it collectively. Everybody just needs

1205
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 1: to play a little better. We hopefully we get in

1206
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 1: that position again, which which you did, and and the

1207
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 1: next year you win Atlantis, you win the Big Ten.

1208
01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 1: And for people forgot, like you know, you won seven

1209
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:04,679
Speaker 1: or row that year, than eight in a row, than

1210
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 1: ten orrow, than a eleven row. You won the Big Ten,

1211
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:09,679
Speaker 1: you win the Big Ten tournament, you win Atlanta's like essentially,

1212
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 1: everything that you guys could win you won, which not

1213
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 1: only embodies your personal competitiveness, but the competitiveness of a team. Right,

1214
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 1: this that that was a special special group. You beat

1215
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 1: Kentucky's asked, now you got? Now? You got Duke? Okay,

1216
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:27,440
Speaker 1: And the the famous part about Duke was the Szewski

1217
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 1: interview at halftime, right because coach K thought he was

1218
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 1: getting a bad end of the whistle, which is kind

1219
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 1: of classic because that's what people would always think. Did

1220
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 1: you get the great end of the wood? You had

1221
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 1: your own basketball you used at the sterling ball at

1222
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 1: the Coal Center, right, And guys complain about that. And

1223
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: your teams are physical, but they don't use their hands,

1224
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 1: so you're gonna get called. Everybody complains about the way

1225
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 1: you guys play defense. Did you know at halftime about

1226
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 1: coach K complaining about the officials? No? No, I did not,

1227
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 1: But let me go back to this. Let me go

1228
01:20:57,160 --> 01:21:04,759
Speaker 1: back to the ball there for a second. Okay, what team,

1229
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 1: what team had the only winning record on the road

1230
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 1: in the Big Ten during the years I was at Wisconsin.

1231
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm guessing it's you. I'm only saying that is that

1232
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 1: we had to use the other guy's basketball. It wasn't

1233
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 1: the basketball the Big Ten tournaments. Uhzo made a comment

1234
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 1: about the basketball being a rock and all that. In

1235
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 1: the Big Ten Tournament we played six times. That's a

1236
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 1: that's another ball, that's a neutral ball. We were four

1237
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 1: and team in the Big Ten tournament. And and Tom

1238
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 1: was a great guy. I'm just saying he I think

1239
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 1: it was more like but there was a school that

1240
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 1: did have the rock, and it was a rock. So anyhow,

1241
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 1: we um, you know, I had no idea what was

1242
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 1: going on to hit him, but uh we just we

1243
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:10,599
Speaker 1: just needed to hit some shots in the second half

1244
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 1: and we needed to, you know, try to get a

1245
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:16,640
Speaker 1: couple of couple of charges or what we thought we

1246
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 1: had position on and and just a couple of them

1247
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 1: didn't go away. Um, if if, if you could do

1248
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:32,760
Speaker 1: it again, would you change your ball screen coverage? That

1249
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 1: was the only thing that I know you just need

1250
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 1: to make some shots. But it felt like the way

1251
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,559
Speaker 1: to beat you guys was you were like flat hedging

1252
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:41,720
Speaker 1: kind of uh, I don't, I don't know what you

1253
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:43,720
Speaker 1: call it, or like sinking on ball screen. That's how

1254
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 1: you play ball screens the whole year. You know, with

1255
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 1: with with Frank and and and Tias Jones, you know,

1256
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 1: hit a bunch of shots. If you could do it again,

1257
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 1: would you change. Well, you have to take a look

1258
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:58,920
Speaker 1: at the shots that he hit. First of all, we're

1259
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 1: trying to run him off three point line. And so

1260
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 1: what we do is we try to get a guy

1261
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 1: who wants the rim hunt and maybe get one or

1262
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 1: two on them charges and then the guy's not coming

1263
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 1: his herd like we did the Trey Burke um. And

1264
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:18,679
Speaker 1: you know, Trey was as good off that high ball

1265
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 1: screen as anybody, and were facing teams that really had

1266
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 1: good high ball screen action. So what we did was

1267
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 1: we called it did as fly trap. We try to

1268
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 1: sucker a guy in for a pull up two pointers

1269
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 1: and you know they're in a tough two pointer. We

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Speaker 1: we got somebody there were chasing the guy over the

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Speaker 1: top of the screen. Um. Usually you know when you're

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Speaker 1: doing basketball cats back in the day, you're teaching getting

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Speaker 1: skinny and get over the screen. Well, the way people

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01:23:56,120 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 1: were setting screens and the way of officials were calling

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Speaker 1: the contact, we just got what was called chase mood.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to chase you over the top if

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Speaker 1: you want to go to the rim. We got backside

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Speaker 1: help coming over on the big if he's running into

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Speaker 1: the rim, and we're also ready for the big who pops,

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Speaker 1: because then we simply would end up with us with

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Speaker 1: a switch. And so we got the big who took

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Speaker 1: on the guy coming with the ball off the screen,

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Speaker 1: and then are smaller ends up with the big. So

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Speaker 1: now think about this, Doug, where are we in the

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Speaker 1: shot clock? Are they then going to run in action

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Speaker 1: where they're going to get the big down into the

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Speaker 1: post and try to take advantage of a mismatch. That's right,

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Speaker 1: that's where they played the number. All right, last thing,

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Speaker 1: last thing is this, you're Hall of Famer and I

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Speaker 1: could run through the list of all the Hall of

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Speaker 1: fames you're in and why the respect is one of

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Speaker 1: the great coach in the history of college basketball? Does it? Though?

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Speaker 1: You mean you're so close twice and and close with

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Speaker 1: another elite eight team, and you know the Sweet six

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Speaker 1: team team and lost to Davidson, you know the team

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Speaker 1: the year before that, Like any of these teams could

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Speaker 1: very well have won a national championship. Um, now, a

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Speaker 1: couple of years removed from retiring, you're watching great guard.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like because you didn't win a national

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Speaker 1: championship that there is something missed in your career? No, Doug,

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Speaker 1: I can honestly say that is not the case. Um,

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Speaker 1: because if you get one, why not too, that's a

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Speaker 1: great one. I Mean, who's ever really satisfied when when

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Speaker 1: you've coached for forty some years it isn't Our satisfaction

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01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:53,360
Speaker 1: can't come from only winning a national championship. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what kind of a shower of life would a person

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Speaker 1: be living if if that is the only thing that

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Speaker 1: bothers him? Or you know that you are remissed about

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Speaker 1: or uh have a hard time deal with. No, No,

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Speaker 1: there's just it's too much fun when I hear from

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Speaker 1: some of the former players that I've coached, or find

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01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:18,559
Speaker 1: out about the job they take in, or find out

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Speaker 1: about how many kids they have now. Um, you know, Doug,

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01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 1: in coaching, there's just so much more that comes out

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Speaker 1: of it other than how many banners were hung up. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so okay, so let me ask this. Give me one guy,

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Speaker 1: one guy who you take the most pride in his

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Speaker 1: life changing that you were a part of at Wisconsin. Well,

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Speaker 1: how can you have a guy come in and for

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01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 1: two years I reached about two points a game and

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Speaker 1: turn into the national player of the year. Um. From

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Speaker 1: the standpoint of the development of an individual, nobody comes

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01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 1: close the Frank Comiston. Uh. He just what he ended

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Speaker 1: up doing and what he ended up meaning to the university.

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Speaker 1: There's a story in itself. Um. But there's some other guys.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we Josh Gossar, Michael Flowers, you know, two

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Speaker 1: guys from the state of Wisconsin who really weren't recruited

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Speaker 1: by a lot of other people period. Mum, like we

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Speaker 1: were by far the best offer. Uh. And and how

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Speaker 1: the two of them turned out. Uh. The development of Orlando,

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01:27:53,960 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 1: how his eyes, ears and mind were always open with Tucker. Um,

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Speaker 1: the course Devon arras he I'll never forget after the

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Speaker 1: first day of practice, Devon says, coach going to ask

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Speaker 1: you a question, That's sure, he says. So in all

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Speaker 1: these journals and everything, you expect us to go a

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Speaker 1: all the time, like like full more. I looked at

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Speaker 1: Devin and I said, yes, of course from that day on,

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Speaker 1: every day in practice, every drool emory. I mean, he

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01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 1: had some talent, but he developed that talent because of

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Speaker 1: his workout it um. So I know you asked her

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Speaker 1: one day if you if you keep me on here,

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Speaker 1: I might give you another fifty. But you know there

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Speaker 1: there are some great stories there were really are that

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01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:56,360
Speaker 1: I'm you know, as I'm getting older and get a

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01:28:56,479 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 1: chance to reflect upon um. That makes you feel really

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Speaker 1: warm and both. Thanks so much for joining us. Okay, thanks,

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01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,559
Speaker 1: so be sure to catch the live edition of The

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Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific.

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01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 1: Pretty cool stuff, right yeah he He obviously did not

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Speaker 1: like people questioning the sterling basketball because he's like, look,

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Speaker 1: how many games are we want to throw? It's still

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Speaker 1: the sterling basketball was a hard ball to adjust to. Nonetheless,

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Speaker 1: his style worked continues to work for Wisconsin today and

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Speaker 1: it is unique as is as is bo Bo Ryan,

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed that. Thanks so much for listening.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget to listen to the Doug Gottlieb Show three

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