WEBVTT - Firestarter

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production of I Heart Radios

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<v Speaker 1>How Stuff Works. Hey there, and welcome to tex Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with

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<v Speaker 1>I Heart Radio and I love all things tech, and guys,

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<v Speaker 1>it's time to get real. See. Sometimes when I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about what tech topic I should cover for my next episode,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I get really excited and inspired right away,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just I'm off to the races. And sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>I struggle for the better part of an hour at

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<v Speaker 1>some days to figure out what I want to talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>and and preferably I need to pick something that I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't talked about a billion times before, which is tricky

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<v Speaker 1>to do when you've got episodes. And sometimes I get

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<v Speaker 1>an idea that I first dismiss as being totally stupid,

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<v Speaker 1>but then I changed my mind and to side, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do it anyway. And sometimes those days where I

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<v Speaker 1>come up with the dumb idea happened to coincide with

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<v Speaker 1>the days where I've been sitting for an hour desperate

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<v Speaker 1>to come up with a topic. And so you see

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<v Speaker 1>where this is going. This is why today we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about fire. Did somebody say fire no god. No. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>ladies and gentlemen, I've been blessed with a special guest today.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you please introduce herself to all these nice people. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm almona midler, and I'm a matchmaker that I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>quite understand with matchmaking entailed, so I'm quite good at

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<v Speaker 1>starting fires. Yes, so um, for those who do not know,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a sordid history with the Georgia Renaissance Festival,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was there, I believe where my path first

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<v Speaker 1>crossed with that of Alamon as uh the village matchmaker.

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<v Speaker 1>And um, I guess it's only fitting that for this

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<v Speaker 1>episode I have a pyro enthusiast join us for the show.

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<v Speaker 1>So Alamona, thank you for being here. Hey, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for having me. You look quite familiar. I can't quite

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<v Speaker 1>put my match stick on it, but yeah, you see

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of faces at the festival. I'm I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of I have one of those

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<v Speaker 1>faces too, like you know, one of the ones that

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<v Speaker 1>lots of people have. Um, because we let's get your

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland mask at the Tech stuff store today. No

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<v Speaker 1>they're not really, They're okay, but we're gonna talk about

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like matches, which I understand you consider yourself somewhat

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<v Speaker 1>of an expert on which I find perplexing. I am

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<v Speaker 1>an expert on matches. It's it's a little wooden stick thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and then and then you you you you strike the

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<v Speaker 1>end of it and and it in it, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it goes boom, and then the pretty orange stuff comes out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very hot. It's odd to me that you would

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<v Speaker 1>be so familiar with them, because the matches as you

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<v Speaker 1>describe them weren't available until the early nineteenth century, and

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<v Speaker 1>if my math is correct, the renaissances before times of

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteenth century, my whole life has been a lie.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, all right, Well, Alimona, I'm glad you could

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<v Speaker 1>be here because I'm going to explain to you the

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<v Speaker 1>history of matches, and if you have things you want

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<v Speaker 1>to say or questions you want to ask, then we can,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, really focus on that. And there's sometimes where

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to ask you a question just to see

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<v Speaker 1>what you know about things, and when we find out

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<v Speaker 1>the depth of your ignorance, I will then illuminate by

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<v Speaker 1>explaining exactly what the reality of the situation is. I

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<v Speaker 1>really like the word illuminate, but I didn't quite like

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<v Speaker 1>the word ignorance. I think the man explaining part of

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<v Speaker 1>the episode is just be on. So we're gonna begin,

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<v Speaker 1>as I said, with the history of matches. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you might think of it as the predecessor to the lighter. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a lighter, lighter than what Okay, right, what's a heavier?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a heavier? No? Okay, this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>how this is gonna go. U's a lighter thing that

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<v Speaker 1>produces flame over and over and over again, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you would love them. And interesting thing is that the

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<v Speaker 1>modern match and the modern lighter actually were developed around

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<v Speaker 1>the same time. They were co developed at around the

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<v Speaker 1>same time. We would normally think the matches must have

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<v Speaker 1>come much earlier, but modern matches rely very heavily on

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<v Speaker 1>something you and I completely lack chemistry. So we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that, but we're going to start with matches.

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<v Speaker 1>And really, when we talk about matches, you gotta look

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<v Speaker 1>all the way back to China, the country, not the

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<v Speaker 1>type of dishes. I can see your mind working right

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<v Speaker 1>in front of me, Alimona. I love the way China

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<v Speaker 1>sounds when you break it. Yeah, So the country of China, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>they began to experiment using sticks dipped in sulfur. And

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<v Speaker 1>this was not the type of match that you would

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<v Speaker 1>strike against a surface and have it ignite. Instead, it

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<v Speaker 1>was a way of lighting something and having it burn

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<v Speaker 1>at a controlled rate so that you could transfer the

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<v Speaker 1>fire from one place to another, for example, from say

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<v Speaker 1>a roaring fire to a candle. You would want to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to move that fire around. And as we

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<v Speaker 1>all know, moving fire just with your hands is a

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<v Speaker 1>bad idea because it's because it's hot, but it's very fun. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, we're also going to stress to our listeners

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<v Speaker 1>playing with fire is a dangerous thing once you get

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<v Speaker 1>past the tingling sensation. Okay, all right now, Alamona, really

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's reaf becus here. So those matches don't really

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<v Speaker 1>fit our modern description of the word, and they would

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<v Speaker 1>not really play into the type of strike matches that

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<v Speaker 1>we think of when we hear the word match. So

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<v Speaker 1>instead you have to go all the way up to

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<v Speaker 1>the seventeenth century, so a bit late in the day

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<v Speaker 1>for you, Alimona, an old woman diving, I might be

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<v Speaker 1>as old as years old. That's interesting, Yeah, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>you would definitely adhere to the philosophy. That's better to

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<v Speaker 1>burn out than to fade away. Good one, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>So in the in the in the seventeenth century, there

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<v Speaker 1>was this, uh, this German alchemist Hinnig Brandt, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was attempting to do what many alchemists were

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do. Oh, I know what an alchemist is.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like a scientist, not really uh, predecessor to science.

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<v Speaker 1>I would argue closer. I would argue closer to Professor

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<v Speaker 1>Snape than a scientist. Yes, alchemy is all about the

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<v Speaker 1>attempt to figure out ways to turn base metals or

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<v Speaker 1>base materials into gold, which to this day perplexes me

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<v Speaker 1>because alamono, just just follow along with me here. Alright,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to explain to you the concept of supply

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<v Speaker 1>and demand as well as that of value, right something

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<v Speaker 1>I like, Oh boy, I'm glad I didn't say that.

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<v Speaker 1>So gold people ascribe great value to gold. Right, gold

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<v Speaker 1>is valuable. It lets you buy stuff. If you amass

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of gold, you have wealth. Correct. Wealth concept

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<v Speaker 1>foreign to me, but yes, yes, but you understand the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of wealth, even though you may never have possessed

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<v Speaker 1>it yourself. Right. So alchemists wanted to find a way

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<v Speaker 1>to turn other types of stuff into gold. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you could do that, if you could turn say lead

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<v Speaker 1>into gold, then you would suddenly have a surplus of gold.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the things, in fact, the chief thing

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<v Speaker 1>that makes gold valuable is its scarcity. So if you've

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<v Speaker 1>taken something that was valuable because it was scarce, and

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<v Speaker 1>you made a whole bunch more of it, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you think happens lots and lots of money? Is that right? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so you're you're you're about a step behind me. No,

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<v Speaker 1>if you have too much of it. If you have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of this gold that was valuable because of

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<v Speaker 1>its scarcity, is no longer scarce, It is no longer valuable. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it means that you would have way too much of it,

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, up until the point where you had a

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<v Speaker 1>an abundance of gold on the market, in which case

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<v Speaker 1>the value would plummet. So I never understood alchemy from

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<v Speaker 1>that perspective. But um, let's get a dig a little deeper,

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<v Speaker 1>because boy, it gets way more weird than that. So

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<v Speaker 1>one of the important advancements that made matches possible was

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<v Speaker 1>the discovery of phosphorus. So phosphorus is it's it's a

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<v Speaker 1>naturally occurring element, but usually we wouldn't. It's usually bound

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<v Speaker 1>up in other things. The less said about that, the

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<v Speaker 1>better with you here, Almona. But it's bound up with

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<v Speaker 1>other things, and then if we can refine it, then

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<v Speaker 1>we can use it as a component in things like matches.

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<v Speaker 1>So Hennig Brand discovered how to isolate phosphorus. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>what he was trying to do, but it is what

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<v Speaker 1>he effectively ended up doing. Ah, he isolated phosphorus from urine. Wow. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I would blin inside you we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about pa science. Yeah, that's right. You get it

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<v Speaker 1>all out there, Alonna. So are you saying that when

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<v Speaker 1>when I use the privy, I'm sitting on a gold mine,

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<v Speaker 1>or rather a phosphorus mine. Hinnig. Well, you're certainly sitting

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<v Speaker 1>on a phosphorus mine, Hinnig Brand, But perhaps it was

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<v Speaker 1>a gold mine. Here was his line of yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>that's exactly what Brand was thinking. No, you're you're on

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<v Speaker 1>the right track. He was sitting there thinking, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>he's kind of yellow. Gold's yellow. Maybe p is yellow

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<v Speaker 1>because there's gold in them. The arp, so he thought

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<v Speaker 1>how do I get the P away and keep the gold?

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<v Speaker 1>Alchemist was so smart back then, I thought you'd think so.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's what he did. Uh stop me. If you

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<v Speaker 1>heard this before. He goes and collects a lot of P,

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead and ask me how much is a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of P? How much is a lot of gallons of

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff? How many friends did he have? It was

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<v Speaker 1>just a Super Bowl weekends. How many friends did he have?

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<v Speaker 1>More fewer by the end of it than he did

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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning of it. I'm sure that I realize

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<v Speaker 1>how few friends I have. I don't know who I

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<v Speaker 1>could just walk up to and say, like, hey, would

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<v Speaker 1>you mind yeah this gallon jug and yes, it is

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<v Speaker 1>exactly the way I need you to to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's the what you're thinking, that's what I need.

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<v Speaker 1>So he takes all this P and then of course

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<v Speaker 1>he puts it into a giant fat because I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>what else are you going to do with it? And

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<v Speaker 1>then he boiled it. He boiled the P. I know

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<v Speaker 1>you're thinking, I've smelled the privs on a hot day

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<v Speaker 1>at the Georgia Renaissance Festival. That's what you're thinking, isn't

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<v Speaker 1>it all? Yeah, that's that's a that's a smell that

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<v Speaker 1>will linger in your thoughts forever. Trust me. The first

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<v Speaker 1>year I did it was still haven't forgotten. So soups gross.

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<v Speaker 1>He boils it, which ends up evaporating a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the water out of the content of the urine, and

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<v Speaker 1>what was left behind was described as a surupy substance.

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<v Speaker 1>No do not. And then as the stuff was heating up,

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<v Speaker 1>it started to glow red hot. As it cooled, it

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<v Speaker 1>turned black and became hard. If your urine turns red

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<v Speaker 1>and in black, maybe you should go see it or something. Maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>So he then takes some of the hardened black stuff

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<v Speaker 1>and he mix mixes it with some of the red

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<v Speaker 1>hot glowing stuff and ends up noticing that it caught fire.

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<v Speaker 1>It just combusts, It bursts into flame, and he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>realize that what he had discovered was phosphorus. He actually thought,

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<v Speaker 1>originally and others did too, that he had come across

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<v Speaker 1>the fabled Philosopher's stone. Um not that kind of stone

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<v Speaker 1>in urine, And eventually he referred to the stuff as

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<v Speaker 1>cold fire because he knows that this phosphorus would glow

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<v Speaker 1>in the dark. It wouldn't give off heat, but would

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<v Speaker 1>glow in the dark weird. So if one were to

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<v Speaker 1>refine this phosphorus further, you would eventually get to what's

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<v Speaker 1>called white phosphorus. Sometimes it's called yellow phosphorus because it's

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<v Speaker 1>not really white white. Uh. This stuff is very dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>because it ignites upon exposure to air. That sounds fun. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very much like you. So I must possess this magic.

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<v Speaker 1>It wouldn't be for long it uh. So it ignites

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as it it encounters oxygen. What's happening is

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<v Speaker 1>that the phosphorus molecules. Just think of pretty thoughts, Alimona.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be back with you in a second. Uh, quietly

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<v Speaker 1>think of pretty thoughts. Phosphorus molecules very weak molecular bonds, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and oxygen when it encounters phosphorus breaks those molecular bonds,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the phosphorus bonds with the oxygen in an

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<v Speaker 1>exothermic reaction, which means it's a reaction that gives off

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of heat. And because it gives off a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of heat very quickly, uh, it ignites, and so

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<v Speaker 1>you have the spontaneously combustible material white phosphorus. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>So that would become important for matches, but we don't

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<v Speaker 1>get two matches just yet. We're still talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>basic components that allow matches to become a thing. We will, however,

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<v Speaker 1>talk about matches in just a moment, but before we

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<v Speaker 1>do that, Almona, we're gonna take a quick break to

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<v Speaker 1>thank our sponsors. Please don't set them on fire, not

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<v Speaker 1>even a little bit. Okay, we're just gonna take a break. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we're back. The studio remarkably is still standing and not

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<v Speaker 1>currently on fire. Alimonia, you're still here. I know. It's

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<v Speaker 1>thank goodness. We have all those blankets. So we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>move on. We just finished talking about peace science, which

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<v Speaker 1>you were I could tell, So we're gonna move on.

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<v Speaker 1>And now we're going to talk about a person named

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<v Speaker 1>Jean Chancel. Oh he sounds pretty It's a fancy dude.

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<v Speaker 1>Jean Chancel found a way to create a match using

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<v Speaker 1>a chemical reaction. And this is probably the most hardcore

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<v Speaker 1>metal way of lighting a match I have ever heard about.

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<v Speaker 1>So okay, not that kind of all right, no, like

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<v Speaker 1>like rock and roll metal. So he took a splint

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<v Speaker 1>a piece of wood, and he coded it in a

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<v Speaker 1>substance called potassium chlorate and he all so put in

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<v Speaker 1>the same on the same mixture, some sugar and some

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<v Speaker 1>sticky gum, and the gum was to bind everything together.

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<v Speaker 1>It was to hold the sugar and the potassium chlorate

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<v Speaker 1>together on the end of the stick. And then he

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<v Speaker 1>dipped the end of the stick into a jar of

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<v Speaker 1>sulfuric acid and that caused the stick to ignite, which is,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, super hardcore when you're using sulfuric acid

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<v Speaker 1>to light your matches. So here's what's going on. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to explain to you the actual chemical process, the

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<v Speaker 1>reaction that's happening, so that we understand how this technology works.

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<v Speaker 1>So potassium chlorate is an effective oxidizing agent. Now, Alumona,

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<v Speaker 1>I know you know this from personal experience, hands on experience.

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<v Speaker 1>But fire needs three things to be fire. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>not magic, it's it's not love either. You want to

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<v Speaker 1>give one more, more, more shot, you can give me

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<v Speaker 1>you one of the three a spring day at the

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia Renaissance Fest. Okay, none of those three things are necessary. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it needs fuel, it needs heat, and it needs an oxidizer. Typically,

0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:14.560
<v Speaker 1>the oxidizer for most fires that we encounter is the air, oxygen,

0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:18.119
<v Speaker 1>oxygen as an oxidizer. Those three things are necessary. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're missing any one of those three things, you cannot

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<v Speaker 1>make fire. And if you have a fire, the fire

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<v Speaker 1>will extinguish. So if you run out fuel, the fire

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<v Speaker 1>goes out right. If you no longer have an oxidizer,

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<v Speaker 1>the fire cannot burn anymore. If if the heat is

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<v Speaker 1>removed from the fire, it will not continuously burn. It'll

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<v Speaker 1>the the the chemical reaction that is fire will stop.

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<v Speaker 1>So potassium chlorate is an effective oxidizing agent. The sugar

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<v Speaker 1>is fuel UH. In fact, we all know sugar is

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<v Speaker 1>fuel because if you ever had a lot of sugar

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<v Speaker 1>like I suspect Alamona has had, you will be very

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<v Speaker 1>energetic for at least a short while. And then potassium

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<v Speaker 1>chlorate when it decomposes under heat, it releases molecular oxygen.

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<v Speaker 1>So thus you get the oxidizing effect there. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>So you've got everything you need mixed up. There. You've

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<v Speaker 1>got the fuel and the oxidizer. There. You need to

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<v Speaker 1>have the heat to start the reaction. Here's where the

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<v Speaker 1>sulfuric acid comes in. When you dip this mixture of

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<v Speaker 1>sugar and UH and potassium chlorate together in the sulfuric acid.

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<v Speaker 1>It the acid actually acts as sort of a catalyst.

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<v Speaker 1>It creates this exothermic chemical reaction. Again, exothermic means it's

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<v Speaker 1>giving awful lot of heat. So now you've got the

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<v Speaker 1>third part of that triangle, right, You've got the fuel,

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<v Speaker 1>you have the oxidizer, you have the heat. The match

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<v Speaker 1>catches on fire. But the only way it works, the

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<v Speaker 1>only way it works is if you have a jar

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<v Speaker 1>of sulfuric acid. So while this was effective, it was

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<v Speaker 1>not uh something that a lot of people wanted because

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<v Speaker 1>sulfuric acid is extremely reactive stuff off and if it

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<v Speaker 1>touches organic material, it tends to char it not burn

0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:08.800
<v Speaker 1>it like catch it on fire. It won't ignite, but

0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:11.919
<v Speaker 1>it will char. Like if you just poured sulphuric acid

0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:14.679
<v Speaker 1>on wood, the wood would char from that. So you

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<v Speaker 1>definitely don't want to get it on yourself because you

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<v Speaker 1>will suffer terrible injuries like Phantom of the Opera level injuries.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a reference to that that. I guess you wouldn't get Alamona,

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<v Speaker 1>but don't worry. I'll show it to you later. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so so this didn't this did not get widespread adoption

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<v Speaker 1>because it was not practical. It was effective, but not practical. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>the ignition was so usually pretty spectacular, so in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't like a small flame like or a small

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<v Speaker 1>spark and then a flame. It was very bright, very loud,

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<v Speaker 1>spontaneous combustion type flame. The stick goes boom, The stick

0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:03.480
<v Speaker 1>goes boom, as you did, uh so eloquently put it earlier. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>in this case you were right. So this was an

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<v Speaker 1>early example of using chemistry to ignit of fire as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to the old style of rubbing two sticks together

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<v Speaker 1>kind of friction approach. Now, as I said, sulfuric acid

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<v Speaker 1>is super duper dangerous all on its own, and this

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<v Speaker 1>particular reaction was really dangerous as well. It also was

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<v Speaker 1>very smelly. The the smoke it would give off had

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<v Speaker 1>a foul odor. So there were a lot of downsides

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<v Speaker 1>to this particular approach. Let's move forward to eighty six.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we have an Englishman to talk about, Yes, exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>one of your fellow Brits. This English chemist was named

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<v Speaker 1>John Walker, and he was working on this problem two.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, that's that's the English for you. So he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to pair chemicals together, so those two chemicals could

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<v Speaker 1>burst into flame with a substance like cardboard or wood

0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.399
<v Speaker 1>that could burn more slowly, so you would get an

0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:13.720
<v Speaker 1>initial burst of flame with the chemicals that flame. That

0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:17.920
<v Speaker 1>flame would then set fire to some sort of substance

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<v Speaker 1>that can last longer. It would burn more slowly, and

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<v Speaker 1>thus you could hold the other end as a handle.

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<v Speaker 1>These are the components we need for a working match.

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<v Speaker 1>We need something we can hold as a handle that's

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<v Speaker 1>preferably not on fire. That's because we're touching it, and

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<v Speaker 1>we have to have an end that is on fire

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<v Speaker 1>or that can at least ignite, and then catch that

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<v Speaker 1>end on fire. So that was the whole idea here,

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<v Speaker 1>and touching fire is bad, right. So he was experimenting

0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:53.399
<v Speaker 1>with different chemical mixtures, but he accidentally dragged a stick

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<v Speaker 1>that was coded in these different chemical mixtures against the

0:21:57.080 --> 0:22:00.600
<v Speaker 1>hearth of his fireplace and discovered that just the friction

0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:06.280
<v Speaker 1>of moving this chemical coated stick against the heart generated

0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:09.919
<v Speaker 1>enough heat to ignite the stick. So he invented a

0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:13.680
<v Speaker 1>strike anywhere match. I matched that because the chemicals that

0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:16.119
<v Speaker 1>were on the end of it, we're in the right mixture.

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<v Speaker 1>They just need to be heated up enough to hit

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<v Speaker 1>ignition and then puff burst into flame. So pretty exciting

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<v Speaker 1>for him. He immediately saw the value of this discovery.

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<v Speaker 1>He immediately saw the utility of it, but he also

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was far too useful for him to make

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<v Speaker 1>it secret. His friends were actually suggesting, hey, you should

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<v Speaker 1>patent that. A guy named Faraday, very important person in science.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't expect you to know him. Okay, fair enough. Faraday,

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<v Speaker 1>uh recommended to Walker, hey you should patent that, and

0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:55.920
<v Speaker 1>he said, no, nonsense, nonsense, I'm not going to patent

0:22:55.960 --> 0:22:59.520
<v Speaker 1>it because it's far too interesting and important. People should

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<v Speaker 1>be able to do with us whatever they want. And

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<v Speaker 1>so that allowed a guy named Samuel Jones, another Englishman,

0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:10.600
<v Speaker 1>very exciting name, Sammy Jones of London. He took the

0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:14.720
<v Speaker 1>exact same approach as Walker, and so he began to

0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:18.840
<v Speaker 1>market his own Strike Anywhere matches based on the exact

0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:23.720
<v Speaker 1>same formula that Walker had created. And he called them Lucifers.

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<v Speaker 1>Bringer of light. Yeah, a little little dark and and spooky,

0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:33.359
<v Speaker 1>despite the fact that's also bringer of light. And Henry,

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<v Speaker 1>the leader of the church, will protectors from lucier I'm

0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:40.920
<v Speaker 1>sure that excellent. It's a good Anglican reference. So this

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<v Speaker 1>began around eighty nine. And these matches again could be

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<v Speaker 1>struck on any surface and would ignite, and they were

0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:51.840
<v Speaker 1>still pretty spectacular matches, like the burst of flame was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty bright and violent, also smelly. Again you identify with

0:23:57.560 --> 0:24:00.600
<v Speaker 1>that and there, and they were more than a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit dangerous. And other chemists over the time would play

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<v Speaker 1>with different mixtures, and some of them would even use

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<v Speaker 1>white phosphorus. Now you remember what I said earlier about

0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:13.280
<v Speaker 1>white phosphorus rights this, this is the stuff that when

0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:17.400
<v Speaker 1>you refine it down to white phosphorus, if it's exposed

0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:21.119
<v Speaker 1>to the air, it will catch fire. That's what I

0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:24.040
<v Speaker 1>want for Christmas. In case you went, well, they made

0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:27.479
<v Speaker 1>matches out of the stuff, so you there are actual

0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:31.879
<v Speaker 1>matches that had white phosphorus. And the idea was that

0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:34.600
<v Speaker 1>they had a slight coating on the outside so that

0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:37.679
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't constantly exposed to air, and that striking it

0:24:37.800 --> 0:24:41.080
<v Speaker 1>would break that coating exposed the white phosphorus to air.

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<v Speaker 1>It would then have this exothermic reaction I was talking

0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:46.760
<v Speaker 1>about that would ignite the end of the match stick

0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:51.440
<v Speaker 1>and you would get this very bright, powerful, uh light.

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<v Speaker 1>The match however, It also meant that if the match

0:24:56.400 --> 0:24:59.439
<v Speaker 1>heads were damaged at all and encountered the air, they

0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:04.600
<v Speaker 1>would ignore spontaneously. So typically you would have a container

0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:09.280
<v Speaker 1>that was air tight to keep these matches inside, because

0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:11.960
<v Speaker 1>you didn't want to risk the danger of the matches

0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:15.639
<v Speaker 1>going off on their own. Because this is all about

0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:20.960
<v Speaker 1>controlled experiences with fire, Alamona, not not just rampant fire,

0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:28.360
<v Speaker 1>lit fire. Your your sympathies lie in different areas than

0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:32.560
<v Speaker 1>my own, but uh, other chemist chemists would play with

0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:37.560
<v Speaker 1>these different approaches, trying to get it just right, and

0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:42.440
<v Speaker 1>over time there was a decision to move away from

0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:46.000
<v Speaker 1>white phosphorus matches, not just because they were dangerous. They

0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:49.080
<v Speaker 1>were incredibly popular by the way. People loved the fact

0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:51.920
<v Speaker 1>that you could strike these against anything. They were very convenient,

0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:59.360
<v Speaker 1>but a misunderstood certainly dangerous because also it was discovered

0:25:59.400 --> 0:26:03.800
<v Speaker 1>that people working in the manufacturing facilities they were making

0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:08.399
<v Speaker 1>these white phosphorus matches, we're starting to get sick and

0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:12.560
<v Speaker 1>they developed an illness that became known. And I am

0:26:12.600 --> 0:26:19.760
<v Speaker 1>not making this up as fossey jaw jaw. Yeah, would

0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:21.200
<v Speaker 1>you like to know the symptoms or you want to

0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:24.520
<v Speaker 1>take a guess? I think that was my grandmother's name,

0:26:25.160 --> 0:26:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Old lady, false jaw. I was expecting you to say

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<v Speaker 1>you would be wearing a bowler hat and doing jazz

0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:32.960
<v Speaker 1>hands and wearing a black unitard. I don't understand that

0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:36.200
<v Speaker 1>that's fair, that's a that's a fossy joke. No. Actually,

0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:41.359
<v Speaker 1>this was a truly terrible, terrible disease, and it was

0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:48.159
<v Speaker 1>disfiguring disease. So the exposure to phosphorus vapor would cause

0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:55.280
<v Speaker 1>the bone of the lower jaw to dissolve slowly to

0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:58.720
<v Speaker 1>the point where people had completely would have to have

0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:03.000
<v Speaker 1>their lower jaws removed, moved because if they didn't, then

0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:06.040
<v Speaker 1>the the illness would progress to the point where they

0:27:06.040 --> 0:27:09.760
<v Speaker 1>would experience oregon failure and then die. So this is

0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:13.879
<v Speaker 1>what we call a bad thing. And they would lose

0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:18.080
<v Speaker 1>teeth throughout the process, they'd lose bone mass and their jaws.

0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:21.560
<v Speaker 1>Their jaws would actually give off a greenish white light

0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:24.560
<v Speaker 1>in the dark. They would actually glow a bit from

0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:27.439
<v Speaker 1>all the phosphor that they were or phosphorus that they

0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:33.560
<v Speaker 1>were absorbing. So pretty terrifying stuff. Now, at the time

0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:36.679
<v Speaker 1>that this was happening, it was during the Industrial Revolution,

0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:42.320
<v Speaker 1>which again, Alamona, it's ahead of your time. But the

0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:46.560
<v Speaker 1>peasants talk about revolution. In this case, the peasants also

0:27:46.880 --> 0:27:50.800
<v Speaker 1>were uh in trouble during the Industrial Revolution because they

0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:54.000
<v Speaker 1>were being exploited terribly. So this was a time of

0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:57.600
<v Speaker 1>great industry where you have these huge manufacturing facilities that

0:27:57.640 --> 0:28:02.000
<v Speaker 1>are being built and labor is needed, but labors also plentiful.

0:28:02.040 --> 0:28:03.520
<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of people who are no longer

0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:06.920
<v Speaker 1>farmers there in there in search for work, so they

0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:09.560
<v Speaker 1>all start looking for places where they can get employment.

0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 1>They start joining different facilities, including matchmaking facilities. A lot

0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:19.000
<v Speaker 1>of young women did this. I could work that these

0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:23.240
<v Speaker 1>were the women who were suffering from Fossey jaw Alamona.

0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:26.200
<v Speaker 1>These are not not women that I'm just saying, I'd

0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 1>be qualified. From the industrialist point of view, these workers

0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:37.000
<v Speaker 1>were disposable because if someone got sick or died or whatever,

0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:40.200
<v Speaker 1>there were a hundred others who were just desperate for

0:28:40.240 --> 0:28:44.920
<v Speaker 1>a job. So this was a terrible situation where people

0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:47.800
<v Speaker 1>were being exploited and they were getting sick, and it

0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:52.360
<v Speaker 1>all got to the point where the women organized what

0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:58.720
<v Speaker 1>was called the Great match Girls Strike. Was the pun intended,

0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 1>It's an excellent question, but it really was like a

0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:06.560
<v Speaker 1>union strike. Uh, they weren't striking matches. I understand that

0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:08.960
<v Speaker 1>it's just, you know, sometimes a pun, a really good pun,

0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:12.680
<v Speaker 1>just falls into it. This time has an unintentional pun. Uh.

0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:18.760
<v Speaker 1>So all four women walked out of a manufacturing company,

0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:22.920
<v Speaker 1>a matchmaking company called Bryant and May in protest of conditions.

0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:27.680
<v Speaker 1>Eventually they were able to win some protections, although a

0:29:27.720 --> 0:29:31.760
<v Speaker 1>lot of the white phosphorus stuff was still largely ignored

0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:34.640
<v Speaker 1>because they were so popular. There was an alternative that

0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:37.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to talk about in the second, to white phosphorus,

0:29:37.840 --> 0:29:40.360
<v Speaker 1>but nobody wanted those. They wanted the ones you could

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:44.880
<v Speaker 1>strike anywhere. Well, in nineteen o six there was an organization,

0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:48.640
<v Speaker 1>a group gathering called the International Burn Convention that passed

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:52.160
<v Speaker 1>prohibitions on white phosphorus matches, and the industry as a

0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:55.600
<v Speaker 1>whole migrated away from them. It took a few more years.

0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:57.800
<v Speaker 1>They kept on doing it for a little while longer,

0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 1>and then eventually they stopped, and thus we saw a

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:07.720
<v Speaker 1>drastic improvement in conditions for workers who were making matches.

0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:12.920
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it was a pretty ironically dark time when

0:30:12.960 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 1>you look at the conditions that people had to endure

0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:18.440
<v Speaker 1>in order to make these. Now, on the other hand,

0:30:19.160 --> 0:30:22.400
<v Speaker 1>the demand for matches at this time it was astounding

0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:27.480
<v Speaker 1>because you're talking about a moment in history where people

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:30.720
<v Speaker 1>had access to things that would allow them to generate

0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:35.000
<v Speaker 1>light after the sun went down, Alamona, you know that

0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:37.520
<v Speaker 1>when the sun goes down, it's just time to go

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:43.200
<v Speaker 1>to bed because you can't see nothing that well, there

0:30:43.240 --> 0:30:45.360
<v Speaker 1>was there was that one time where I got a

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:49.480
<v Speaker 1>little excited in it. Yeah. Well, apart from like conflagrations,

0:30:49.520 --> 0:30:53.440
<v Speaker 1>you don't really see village. It was all bright and

0:30:53.480 --> 0:30:56.640
<v Speaker 1>everyone was happy. That explains why we went from willy

0:30:56.720 --> 0:30:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Nilly on the wash over to Newcastle. There was actually

0:30:59.840 --> 0:31:01.880
<v Speaker 1>a location of the Georgia or in this onncestival. All

0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:03.640
<v Speaker 1>of that is true, by the way you can aller

0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:08.640
<v Speaker 1>the relocation part, I'm not so certain about the yeah

0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:14.080
<v Speaker 1>that part. So this was a change, a social change.

0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Now we're getting into a point where people had opportunity

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:20.320
<v Speaker 1>to have lights in their own homes, whether they were

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:24.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, lanterns that have been around for ages, but

0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:26.320
<v Speaker 1>now it was easier to light them because you had matches,

0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:29.760
<v Speaker 1>or it was even stuff like gas lamps that were

0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 1>starting to be deployed in certain cities. So that meant

0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:37.520
<v Speaker 1>that matches were really sought after, so there was a

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:40.920
<v Speaker 1>heavy market for them. Fortunately, there were some other smarty

0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:44.720
<v Speaker 1>pants who were coming up with ideas that were alternatives

0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:47.240
<v Speaker 1>to this white phosphorus approach. And I'll talk about that

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:50.200
<v Speaker 1>more in just a second, but first let's take another

0:31:50.320 --> 0:32:01.360
<v Speaker 1>quick break. All right, Alimonia, you're still following me right somewhere?

0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:04.360
<v Speaker 1>I got a little bit lost along the path, he said,

0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:07.040
<v Speaker 1>are you looking for I heard it was a nice

0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:11.000
<v Speaker 1>person named the Quister walking around. Oh yeah, that's a

0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 1>different show. I think he dresses like me a bit. Okay, yeah,

0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:17.960
<v Speaker 1>all right, So if you want to know who Alimona

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:20.240
<v Speaker 1>is talking about with the Quister, you need to listen

0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:24.760
<v Speaker 1>to the podcast Ridiculous History, where the Quister shows up

0:32:24.840 --> 0:32:30.400
<v Speaker 1>and occasionally in in episodes and torments the hosts of

0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:33.280
<v Speaker 1>that show. The hosts that show are are Ben Bolan

0:32:33.360 --> 0:32:38.800
<v Speaker 1>and Noel Brown. Like, I'm tormenting you match made in

0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Heaven so similar that it's actually making me regret Quisters

0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:45.480
<v Speaker 1>segments at this point. Alright, So, in the mid to

0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:51.160
<v Speaker 1>late nineteenth century, different inventors were using stuff like lead

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:54.840
<v Speaker 1>ox side and potassium chlorate to kind of tweak matches.

0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:58.440
<v Speaker 1>They were trying to make the matches burn without generating

0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:02.120
<v Speaker 1>as much smelly smoke like, because these still smelled really bad.

0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:05.560
<v Speaker 1>They're very sulfuric um. They were trying to find ways

0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:08.440
<v Speaker 1>so that they were quieter because they were very loud

0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:11.840
<v Speaker 1>when you were striking these matches, the early ones, and

0:33:12.200 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 1>with a more controlled burn. There was an Austrian scientist

0:33:16.880 --> 0:33:23.320
<v Speaker 1>named Anton von Schrutter who yes, yes, and he used

0:33:23.400 --> 0:33:26.680
<v Speaker 1>red phosphorus instead of white phosphorus, and he did that

0:33:27.680 --> 0:33:30.160
<v Speaker 1>to create a more stable match, one that would not

0:33:30.280 --> 0:33:35.720
<v Speaker 1>be prone to spontaneous combustion. So, okay, well you're sad,

0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:39.320
<v Speaker 1>but most people meant that if you were to accidentally

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:40.880
<v Speaker 1>scratch the end of the match head, you didn't have

0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:43.520
<v Speaker 1>to worry about it bursting into flame. And this is

0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:47.600
<v Speaker 1>what paved the way to the modern safety match. So

0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:51.240
<v Speaker 1>a safety match is a very clever invention in which

0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:56.040
<v Speaker 1>the ingredients needed for combustion are not all contained within

0:33:56.280 --> 0:34:00.440
<v Speaker 1>the match head itself, So you divide them. You put

0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:03.400
<v Speaker 1>some of the ingredients on the match head, but you

0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:06.480
<v Speaker 1>put the other ingredients on the striking surface that you're

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:10.120
<v Speaker 1>going to use to ignite the match. And this is

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:12.919
<v Speaker 1>how you make it safe because it's not gonna even

0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:16.880
<v Speaker 1>if you rub two matches together, they're lacking the ingredients

0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:18.799
<v Speaker 1>that will allow them to combust, so you don't have

0:34:18.840 --> 0:34:21.760
<v Speaker 1>to worry about them like jostling around and then setting

0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:24.920
<v Speaker 1>themselves on fire. Uh So in a modern matchbook, you

0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:26.839
<v Speaker 1>can think of one half of the ingredients is being

0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:28.600
<v Speaker 1>on the match stick. The other half are on that

0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:31.239
<v Speaker 1>little strip that you use when you strike the match

0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:34.319
<v Speaker 1>and ignite it. And this is why, uh you don't

0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:38.120
<v Speaker 1>have to, you know, freak out about those matches. Just

0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:41.320
<v Speaker 1>like hitting the ground or something. They'll never ignite unless

0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:43.680
<v Speaker 1>it just happens to be hot enough to hit their

0:34:43.719 --> 0:34:46.960
<v Speaker 1>ignition temperature, because that will still cause them to ignite.

0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:51.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm sure if you've ever certainly feels like

0:34:52.000 --> 0:34:53.600
<v Speaker 1>it gets hot enough for that. But if you ever

0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:56.879
<v Speaker 1>bring like an unlit match close to a flame, you'll

0:34:56.880 --> 0:34:59.200
<v Speaker 1>see that at some point it will burst into flame

0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:02.120
<v Speaker 1>itself because you will have heated the end of that

0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:07.880
<v Speaker 1>match to its ignition point. But don't do that. It's dangerous.

0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:13.560
<v Speaker 1>Don't listen. It's not almona show, it's my show. And

0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:18.040
<v Speaker 1>it's also why, um, these matches you can't replicate that

0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:21.640
<v Speaker 1>cool move you might see and you won't know this alumona,

0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:24.239
<v Speaker 1>But in a movie where someone like strikes a match

0:35:24.239 --> 0:35:26.840
<v Speaker 1>against like the bottom of their shoe or a brick,

0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 1>and it just burst in the flame, and then they

0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:31.840
<v Speaker 1>light something cool with it and they shake the match

0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:34.640
<v Speaker 1>stick out. You can't do that with safety matches unless

0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:36.960
<v Speaker 1>you happen to have coated the bottom of your shoe

0:35:37.320 --> 0:35:41.239
<v Speaker 1>with the other component needed to create combustion, which I

0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:45.000
<v Speaker 1>guess you could do if you really wanted to. Uh Now,

0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:48.120
<v Speaker 1>And there's still are non safety matches. They're still matches

0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:51.600
<v Speaker 1>that will ignite if you strike them against any surface.

0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:54.440
<v Speaker 1>You can still buy them. They are not made out

0:35:54.440 --> 0:35:56.880
<v Speaker 1>of white phosphorus anymore. They're made of of other materials,

0:35:56.920 --> 0:36:00.359
<v Speaker 1>but they still do the same thing, and you can

0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:03.800
<v Speaker 1>strike them against any surface and they will ignite, uh

0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:05.759
<v Speaker 1>if they as long as the friction allows them to

0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:09.080
<v Speaker 1>reach their ignition temperature. As for modern safety matches, they

0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:12.200
<v Speaker 1>tend to have potassium chlorate as well as an oxidizing agent,

0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:15.440
<v Speaker 1>or as the oxidizing agent, I should say, And they

0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:19.400
<v Speaker 1>have antimately sulfide, which sounds like a relative of yours

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:26.000
<v Speaker 1>and got little right, And then the striking surface would

0:36:26.040 --> 0:36:28.440
<v Speaker 1>have the coding of red phosphorus, So the red phosphorus

0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:31.640
<v Speaker 1>is actually on whatever surface you're supposed to strike the

0:36:31.640 --> 0:36:34.240
<v Speaker 1>match on, and so bringing them together and creating friction

0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:37.360
<v Speaker 1>is enough to light the little suckers. All right, Well,

0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:40.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do another episode where I'm gonna talk more

0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:43.000
<v Speaker 1>about lighters, but I want to give you a little

0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:46.600
<v Speaker 1>bit of of a preview of that, Alimona, because this

0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:50.520
<v Speaker 1>is you seem to be fascinated by the concept of

0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:54.400
<v Speaker 1>a lighter. So I'm going to talk about the earliest

0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:56.799
<v Speaker 1>thing that people refer to as a lighter, and that's

0:36:56.840 --> 0:37:00.480
<v Speaker 1>going to be the clothes of this episode. So lighters,

0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:02.800
<v Speaker 1>like I said earlier, we're being developed around the same

0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:07.440
<v Speaker 1>time that matches were. It's not like we got matches

0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 1>right and then we moved on to lighters. They were

0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:14.680
<v Speaker 1>independent lines of invention and innovation. So the first lighter,

0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:19.000
<v Speaker 1>most people agree, was made by a German chemist named

0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:24.760
<v Speaker 1>Johann Wolfgang Dobbert Reiner. Great name, he wins, he wins

0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:29.120
<v Speaker 1>the names. Yeah, So he made numerous contributions to chemistry.

0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:31.719
<v Speaker 1>He it's not just the guy who made the first lighter.

0:37:31.760 --> 0:37:34.640
<v Speaker 1>He did lots of stuff. But for our purposes, the

0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:37.319
<v Speaker 1>thing we want to look at is this lighter that

0:37:37.400 --> 0:37:41.799
<v Speaker 1>he made, the Dobbert Reiner lamp, and this was an

0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:46.800
<v Speaker 1>ingenious invention. It is also tricky to describe without pictures,

0:37:46.920 --> 0:37:49.680
<v Speaker 1>but I'm gonna try and do it, and Alimona, honestly,

0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:53.920
<v Speaker 1>the only way I can read books just through the pictures. Okay, Well,

0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:56.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to paint you a word picture with my words.

0:37:57.480 --> 0:38:00.319
<v Speaker 1>But if you have questions, like honestly, if you have

0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:04.799
<v Speaker 1>trouble imagining what I'm saying, tell me, because that would

0:38:04.880 --> 0:38:07.520
<v Speaker 1>tell me, oh, I should explain this a different way

0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:11.040
<v Speaker 1>so that the listeners at home also understand it. So

0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:16.880
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna play a truly valuable service here. Welcome. Okay,

0:38:17.080 --> 0:38:20.920
<v Speaker 1>well just take it seriously. Here we go. Now, first

0:38:20.960 --> 0:38:24.000
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna start imagining that you have a glass jar

0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:26.879
<v Speaker 1>and you have a lid that would fit on top

0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:30.719
<v Speaker 1>of that glass jar. Okay, so that's what we're starting from.

0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:34.680
<v Speaker 1>The glass jar has sulfuric acid in it. That's that

0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:38.719
<v Speaker 1>stuff I was talking about earlier, super reactive. It can

0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:43.840
<v Speaker 1>char you know, skin and would uh and you definitely

0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:45.480
<v Speaker 1>don't want to touch it. So anyway, you've got this

0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:49.520
<v Speaker 1>jar of sulfuric acid. Now imagine that that you've taken

0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:52.400
<v Speaker 1>the lid off of this jar and you attached to

0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:57.040
<v Speaker 1>the lid a cylinder of glass. Okay, it's open at

0:38:57.080 --> 0:39:00.480
<v Speaker 1>either end, except that you've glued one end to the

0:39:00.520 --> 0:39:04.239
<v Speaker 1>bottom side of the lid of the jar, all right,

0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:08.680
<v Speaker 1>And now imagine that you have poked a hole in

0:39:08.760 --> 0:39:11.000
<v Speaker 1>the top of the lid on the other side of

0:39:11.040 --> 0:39:13.960
<v Speaker 1>that open end of the cylinder, and you put a

0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:17.920
<v Speaker 1>valve there, which only allows air to pass through if

0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:22.120
<v Speaker 1>the valve is open, but it's closed. Now, this means

0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:24.520
<v Speaker 1>that if you were to put the lid on the jar,

0:39:25.000 --> 0:39:28.719
<v Speaker 1>you would be pushing that cylinder down through the sulfuric

0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:31.840
<v Speaker 1>acid in the jar. And because the air is trapped

0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:35.640
<v Speaker 1>inside the cylinder, it will push the sulfuric acid out

0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:37.680
<v Speaker 1>of the way. It will displace it, so the level

0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:39.919
<v Speaker 1>of sulfuric acid will rise a bit in the jar.

0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:45.160
<v Speaker 1>The cylinder inside will remain just full of air. The

0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:47.439
<v Speaker 1>sulfuric acid can't come up in there. If you're having

0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:50.439
<v Speaker 1>trouble imagining this, just imagine what happens if you take

0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:53.080
<v Speaker 1>a straw like a drinking straw and you put your

0:39:53.120 --> 0:39:56.080
<v Speaker 1>finger over the top of the drinking straw and then

0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:58.640
<v Speaker 1>you put it down into liquid. The liquid doesn't go

0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:00.920
<v Speaker 1>up in the straw because the air pressure inside the

0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:05.799
<v Speaker 1>straw keeps it out. All right, good, I'm glad that

0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:09.719
<v Speaker 1>we're on the same page. Okay. So you've got this

0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:12.640
<v Speaker 1>cylinder in it. It keeps the sulfuric acid out because

0:40:12.800 --> 0:40:15.920
<v Speaker 1>it's air tight at the moment, because the valve is shut. Now,

0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:20.640
<v Speaker 1>also imagine that dangling in the center of the cylinder,

0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:23.920
<v Speaker 1>so you've you've attached some form of line on the

0:40:24.000 --> 0:40:26.720
<v Speaker 1>underside of the lid as well. At where the cylinder,

0:40:26.800 --> 0:40:29.480
<v Speaker 1>at the top of the cylinder is dangling. Inside the

0:40:29.480 --> 0:40:35.600
<v Speaker 1>cylinder is a piece of zinc. Okay, the metal zinc.

0:40:36.080 --> 0:40:38.840
<v Speaker 1>It is attached to a tether. It's dangling in the

0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:43.200
<v Speaker 1>middle of this cylinder. Still, there's nothing touching anything else, right,

0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:45.840
<v Speaker 1>The sulfuric acid isn't coming into contact with anything inside

0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:50.040
<v Speaker 1>the cylinder, all right. Now, imagine you open the valve

0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:52.880
<v Speaker 1>on the top of the lid. So now you've created

0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:57.120
<v Speaker 1>away for the air inside the cylinder to escape. The

0:40:57.200 --> 0:41:00.680
<v Speaker 1>pressure from the sulfuric acid will push against the air

0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:03.880
<v Speaker 1>inside that cylinder. It will make some of that air escape.

0:41:04.080 --> 0:41:06.719
<v Speaker 1>The sulfuric acid will start to come into where the

0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:11.000
<v Speaker 1>cylinder is and actually make contact with the zinc. You

0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:13.879
<v Speaker 1>close off the VALVEU you shut the valve. Valve shut.

0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Now the sulfuric acid is going to react with that zinc,

0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:21.320
<v Speaker 1>and that reaction gives off hydrogen gas. So little bubbles

0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:24.520
<v Speaker 1>will form on this zinc, and the bubbles will bubble

0:41:24.640 --> 0:41:28.200
<v Speaker 1>up into the interior of the cylinder. And because the

0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:30.840
<v Speaker 1>valve is shut, the bubbles have nowhere to go. The

0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:33.480
<v Speaker 1>bubble start building up. That starts to push the sulfuric

0:41:33.520 --> 0:41:37.719
<v Speaker 1>acid back out again because you're increasing the pressure inside

0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:41.279
<v Speaker 1>the cylinder. But now it's not air, just regular air

0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:44.680
<v Speaker 1>that's in that cylinder. Now it's hydrogen gas. So you've

0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:47.040
<v Speaker 1>got a cylinder filled with hydrogen gas. If you open

0:41:47.120 --> 0:41:50.480
<v Speaker 1>up that valve again, you'll release hydrogen gas. Okay, So

0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:54.120
<v Speaker 1>that's the basic part of this lamp. The next part

0:41:54.239 --> 0:41:57.520
<v Speaker 1>was another component on top of the lid, the top side,

0:41:57.520 --> 0:42:01.160
<v Speaker 1>not the side that's inside the jar, that holds a

0:42:01.520 --> 0:42:05.040
<v Speaker 1>what they called a platinum sponge. It was a porous

0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:09.399
<v Speaker 1>piece of platinum and it's position in such a way

0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:13.640
<v Speaker 1>to be directly across from the valve where the hydrogen

0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:17.239
<v Speaker 1>can come out. All right, So when you open up

0:42:17.239 --> 0:42:21.080
<v Speaker 1>the valve, hydrogen shoots out from the air pressure and

0:42:21.120 --> 0:42:26.360
<v Speaker 1>it goes across and hits this platinum sponge. When platinum

0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:30.040
<v Speaker 1>is in the presence of hydrogen and oxygen, it creates

0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:34.239
<v Speaker 1>a chemical reaction that's exothermic, which means it gives off heat.

0:42:35.120 --> 0:42:41.400
<v Speaker 1>Hydrogen gas is extremely flammable that I'm sure you would.

0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:45.040
<v Speaker 1>Does the phrase oh the humanity mean anything to you.

0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:47.719
<v Speaker 1>That's what everyone screamed when I when it was really

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<v Speaker 1>dark that one night tonight, And yeah, okay, well then

0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:56.200
<v Speaker 1>you're totally on board. So this means that the hydrogen

0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:59.640
<v Speaker 1>gas catches fire and you've got a lighter because the

0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:03.000
<v Speaker 1>hydrogen from the cylinder has come out it's hit that

0:43:03.920 --> 0:43:09.440
<v Speaker 1>platinum sponge. The platinum sponge has that exothermic catalyzes, an

0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:13.680
<v Speaker 1>exothermic reaction that then ignites the hydrogen gas that's still

0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:15.399
<v Speaker 1>coming out through the valve. As long as the valve

0:43:15.440 --> 0:43:19.200
<v Speaker 1>is open, this is still going. But hydrogen flames are

0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:22.880
<v Speaker 1>essentially invisible. You can't really see them. However, if you

0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:26.360
<v Speaker 1>were to put anything within that that section where the

0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:29.560
<v Speaker 1>valve is open, it would catch fire. So if you

0:43:29.560 --> 0:43:31.680
<v Speaker 1>put a match in there, it would make the match

0:43:31.760 --> 0:43:35.080
<v Speaker 1>catch on fire because even though it's invisible, it's flaming.

0:43:35.360 --> 0:43:38.000
<v Speaker 1>It actually is happening. It's it's burning at that moment,

0:43:38.360 --> 0:43:40.640
<v Speaker 1>so you can use it to light you know, matches

0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:45.360
<v Speaker 1>or candles or whatever. All right, And then when you

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<v Speaker 1>would close the valve, the flame would go out because

0:43:48.680 --> 0:43:52.440
<v Speaker 1>there's no more fuel coming out. And as long as

0:43:52.440 --> 0:43:55.040
<v Speaker 1>the zinc is still in contact with the sulfuric acid,

0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:58.799
<v Speaker 1>it will continue to generate more hydrogen gas. And eventually

0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:02.200
<v Speaker 1>one of two things will happen. It'll either generate enough

0:44:02.280 --> 0:44:05.360
<v Speaker 1>hydrogen gas so that the gas has pushed the sulfuric

0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:08.400
<v Speaker 1>acid down to a level where it's no longer in

0:44:08.480 --> 0:44:11.200
<v Speaker 1>contact with the zinc, because you know, you've built up

0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:14.360
<v Speaker 1>the air pressure. It's pushed it's like blowing into a straw.

0:44:14.719 --> 0:44:19.440
<v Speaker 1>It's pushed down. The liquid um or the zinc will

0:44:19.440 --> 0:44:21.960
<v Speaker 1>get consumed by the sulfuric acid and it will stop

0:44:22.040 --> 0:44:24.880
<v Speaker 1>because there's nothing for the sulfuric acid to dissolve anymore,

0:44:25.239 --> 0:44:27.879
<v Speaker 1>so you won't you won't be generating anymore hydrogen, you'll

0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:31.520
<v Speaker 1>have to replace the zinc um. Those are the two outcomes.

0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:34.520
<v Speaker 1>So it was really cool because this liner worked purely

0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:38.080
<v Speaker 1>on chemistry. There was no striking, there was no sparks,

0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:42.719
<v Speaker 1>there was nothing that had to ignite a fuel. It

0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:47.160
<v Speaker 1>was purely by generating this hydrogen gas, shooting it at platinum,

0:44:47.200 --> 0:44:49.920
<v Speaker 1>having that create the chemical reaction and then boom, you've

0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:51.799
<v Speaker 1>got a flame as long as that valve is open.

0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:55.880
<v Speaker 1>It was ingenious. It was also incredibly dangerous because it

0:44:56.000 --> 0:44:59.920
<v Speaker 1>was a vat of sulfuric acid um. So it was

0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:04.920
<v Speaker 1>not something that would become widely adopted or universally adopted.

0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:09.600
<v Speaker 1>But it is a phenomenal invention and there are um

0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:14.080
<v Speaker 1>forgive me Alimona, there are videos on YouTube that show

0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:19.080
<v Speaker 1>these things working. Yeah, you just sit there and think

0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:22.839
<v Speaker 1>about fiery stuff. But there are videos on YouTube if

0:45:22.880 --> 0:45:26.600
<v Speaker 1>you want to look this up. They are really fascinating

0:45:26.640 --> 0:45:29.239
<v Speaker 1>and you can even see them in action and understand

0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:35.160
<v Speaker 1>better the mechanisms I'm talking about that make this lighter possible. Again,

0:45:35.200 --> 0:45:39.080
<v Speaker 1>that's a Dobba Reiner lamp, so you should check those

0:45:39.080 --> 0:45:44.239
<v Speaker 1>out because they are really cool. So it does not

0:45:44.440 --> 0:45:51.080
<v Speaker 1>surprise me in the slightest. Well, um Alimona, uh design,

0:45:52.280 --> 0:46:00.239
<v Speaker 1>thank you. You have been the most unique guest I've

0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:02.400
<v Speaker 1>ever had on tech Stuff and I once had strong

0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:06.799
<v Speaker 1>bad in here. Oh he sounds fun. Yeah, he gave

0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:10.080
<v Speaker 1>me a sign off even it was pretty amazing. Uh So,

0:46:10.280 --> 0:46:13.400
<v Speaker 1>speaking of sign offs, guys, this wraps up this episode.

0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:15.920
<v Speaker 1>In our next episode, I'll talk more about lighters and

0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:19.520
<v Speaker 1>how they work and how they've evolved over time. Uh

0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:22.960
<v Speaker 1>and we'll we'll pick up from the chemical double rhiner

0:46:23.200 --> 0:46:26.200
<v Speaker 1>lamp and move up two more modern ones and talk

0:46:26.239 --> 0:46:29.960
<v Speaker 1>about things like how the companies came to be like Zippo.

0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:36.200
<v Speaker 1>It's a name that I'm sure you find very Yeah. Well,

0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:38.440
<v Speaker 1>then we're gonna wrap this up. Guys. If you have

0:46:38.440 --> 0:46:42.640
<v Speaker 1>any suggestions for future topics for tech Stuff, I highly

0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:45.080
<v Speaker 1>recommend you let me know by getting in touch on

0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:48.520
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0:46:48.600 --> 0:46:52.799
<v Speaker 1>handle text stuff hs W and I'll talk to you

0:46:52.840 --> 0:47:00.200
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0:47:13.920 --> 0:47:20.600
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0:47:20.600 --> 0:47:23.719
<v Speaker 1>to mention before we go, I want to thank my

0:47:23.840 --> 0:47:28.680
<v Speaker 1>good friend Shay for joining the show as Alamona. Shay

0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:33.520
<v Speaker 1>also has an amazing YouTube series, Books and Blue Stockings.

0:47:33.520 --> 0:47:37.160
<v Speaker 1>She's plays Betty Bookworm on that series, so I highly

0:47:37.200 --> 0:47:41.120
<v Speaker 1>recommend you go to YouTube and search that. She does

0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:47.080
<v Speaker 1>very inventive videos talking about different books and different literary

0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:51.600
<v Speaker 1>tropes and UH and themes, and you should definitely check

0:47:51.640 --> 0:47:53.640
<v Speaker 1>that out. There's also a series that she and I

0:47:53.719 --> 0:47:57.560
<v Speaker 1>do called Age of Cinema where we show each other

0:47:58.400 --> 0:48:03.240
<v Speaker 1>movies uh sometimes against the other person's will. Often against

0:48:03.239 --> 0:48:05.960
<v Speaker 1>the other person's will. So if you want to hear

0:48:06.000 --> 0:48:08.839
<v Speaker 1>more and see more from Shay, definitely go check that out.

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<v Speaker 1>Highly recommend it. And sometimes Alamona pops up