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Speaker 2: Operator Tyler is sitting by to take your calls, and

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Speaker 2: we'll have a new poll question coming up. Just sort

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Speaker 2: of a random thought here. The Kentucky Wildcat starting quarterback

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Speaker 2: this year is Zach Calzada or Zeta. He played at

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Speaker 2: A and M Auburn Incarnate Word and now he's at Kentucky.

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Speaker 2: He's older than Drake May, Bryce Young, c J. Stroud,

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Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels. He'll turn twenty five this season. This is

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Speaker 2: the last of the COVID qbs. I believe because we

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Speaker 2: had a few that would be twenty three, twenty four

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Speaker 2: years of age, and you'd see that in March Madness too.

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Speaker 2: They'd be guys that are twenty five twenty six, and

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Speaker 2: there's a big difference if you ever played competitive sports

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Speaker 2: when you're eighteen and somebody might be twenty two or

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Speaker 2: twenty three. That's like you're on the freshman team and

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Speaker 2: they're on the varsity team. It is a night and

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Speaker 2: day difference in just your development. You come in as

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Speaker 2: eighteen or nineteen year old, next thing you know, you're

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Speaker 2: twenty five. Big big difference there, at least in basketball.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if this really helps. He's twenty five,

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Speaker 2: so he's been to a couple of different programs, maybe mature.

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Speaker 2: He's a pretty good player, but bounced around to now

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Speaker 2: on his fourth school. Shouldn't they limit? Shouldn't there be

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Speaker 2: like a cap, like how many schools you can go to?

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Speaker 2: Maybe three? Maybe you got to graduate by the time

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Speaker 2: you're twenty four. Cam Ward had a few, then you

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Speaker 2: have three of them. He had incarnet word as well.

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Speaker 2: He hit the word yeah word all right. Seating pole

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Speaker 2: question for the final hour of the program.

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Speaker 3: Is what well yeah we had up there? If you

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Speaker 3: could sign one in their prime Aaron Donald or TJ.

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Speaker 4: Watt.

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Speaker 3: What people are referring to this pole question is saying,

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Speaker 3: is fifteen percent of our audience are Steelers fans because

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Speaker 3: those are the only people in the world who would

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Speaker 3: possibly vote for TJ. Watt in this situation. Okay, Aaron

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Speaker 3: Donald's got eighty five percent of that vote. He's cleaning up.

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Speaker 4: Aaron Donald is the right answer. Yeah, just saying.

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Speaker 2: Great player, great, great great, one of the all time

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Speaker 2: greats in my opinion. All right, so that's the final

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Speaker 2: poll question there. I saw where Caitlin Clark has a

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Speaker 2: new shoe out and Angel Reese applauding.

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Speaker 4: Does Angel Reese have her own shoe?

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Speaker 5: She does?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Okay, good, I don't want that that nightmare happening. You

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Speaker 4: sold more shoes because who's playing them, Kate.

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Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark doesn't have to play another game, and she

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Speaker 2: could sell shoes the rest of her life. Probably she

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Speaker 2: could be like Michael Jordan. You know, Jordan hadn't played

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Speaker 2: in how many years, but his shoes have never been

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Speaker 2: more popular. Caitlyn Clark in that demo, that market could

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Speaker 2: probably just sell shoes, yeah, Pauli.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the whole line comes out on October first. What

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Speaker 5: did you guys think of the logo? It's kind of

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Speaker 5: like two c's combined together. It reminds you of something,

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Speaker 5: doesn't it?

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Speaker 4: Marvin? What's it remind you of?

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Speaker 7: Calling Nike?

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Speaker 4: Sooner than later?

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Speaker 2: I thought maybe that she might run into a little

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Speaker 2: bit of trouble there. But then I don't know, you know,

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Speaker 2: Nike's not afraid of kind of bringing in controversy. But

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Speaker 2: it's okay. I didn't think it was great. It was like, okay,

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Speaker 2: but you got your Caitlin Clark's shoe? How many how

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Speaker 2: many WNBA players, Sabrina Iynescu has her.

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Speaker 5: Shoe, Brianna Stewart, Angel Reese, Asia Wilson.

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 5: That's it?

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Speaker 4: Okay, well pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Is there a favorite shoe? Did you wait until after

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Speaker 2: you were old enough that you had the money that

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Speaker 2: you could go back and buy shoes because I couldn't

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Speaker 2: afford them growing up. I remember wearing a high top

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Speaker 2: Converse and they were nine to ninety nine. I remember

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Speaker 2: buying them at a discount store in downtown Cincinnati, Ben's

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Speaker 2: Department Store nine dollars and ninety nine cents. But there

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Speaker 2: were these Adidas superstars.

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Speaker 4: Oh man, did I want those?

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Speaker 2: Couldn't get them for a long, long long time. And

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Speaker 2: that I remember going out and buying them, and they

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Speaker 2: were great shoes. I still think those that's the best

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Speaker 2: shoe looking shoe, the Shelt, I think the best shoe

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Speaker 2: ever made. Did you wear them with jeans? You could

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Speaker 2: wear them to a wedding.

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Speaker 4: If you wanted to.

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Speaker 2: I think they're that gorgeous and they are great looking shoes.

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Speaker 2: But I remember when they came out and Pete Maravitch

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Speaker 2: was wearing them, and UCLA Basketball had him, and then

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Speaker 2: Jerry West was you know, had gold stripes with his Adidas.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking, God, I'd go to NBA games, I'd stare

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Speaker 2: at the shoes I was fascinated with. They had those

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Speaker 2: convers low cut that had swayed, that would bleed through

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Speaker 2: and your socks would be red. And I remember being

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Speaker 2: on the floor in Cincinnati and Mike Reardon was a

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Speaker 2: basketball player for the Bullets, the then Baltimore Bullets, and

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Speaker 2: he had low cut Kevin Lockery had low cut shoes. Remember,

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Speaker 2: you know, just certain players where I watched this. I

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Speaker 2: just love those shoes. And Jerry West had the gold

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Speaker 2: stripe on his low cut Adidas.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Todd.

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Speaker 8: The ones I loved were the Puma Clyde. Same problem

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Speaker 8: of you stepped into a puddle or something, especially if

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Speaker 8: it like the blue ones, your sock was just totally

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Speaker 8: covered like in a blue ink or something. But puumcclyde

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Speaker 8: and that material, that vlaura, whatever you want to call it.

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Speaker 7: Was awesome.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a big deal. Uh.

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Speaker 2: Those were not good shoes to play basketball, and they

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Speaker 2: were heavy.

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Speaker 4: They were not good. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I feel like the first real pair of sneakers I

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Speaker 3: ever got. H that I was like, whoa, this is sick.

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Speaker 3: I think in like sixth grade maybe I got Jordan grapes.

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Speaker 3: Those like they're like white, uh and like I don't know,

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Speaker 3: like teal and purple maybe something like that, but they're

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Speaker 3: called grapes and those. That was like the first time

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Speaker 3: that I ever got sneakers that when they got dirty out,

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Speaker 3: it's like, no, don't miss up with sneakers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, PAULI.

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Speaker 5: Just before Michael Jordan's shoes came out, Congress came out

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Speaker 5: with Converse weapons with Bird and Magic and Birds were

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Speaker 5: a little workshoe looking. They were very dark, but the

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Speaker 5: Lakers colors on those Magic shoes and he and Bird

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Speaker 5: were back to back on the Sports Illustrated. That was

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Speaker 5: a great shoe at the time. Just before Michael took over.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was heavy, heavy, heavy. Hated that shoe.

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Speaker 2: I like the Lakers colors, birds look like they were

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Speaker 2: they were work boots. They were like Doc Martin's, except

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Speaker 2: for they were an NBA version of Doc Martin's, except

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Speaker 2: they weren't that cool looking. But yeah, when you get

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Speaker 2: to a certain play, a lot of times what you

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Speaker 2: buy is what you couldn't buy when you were of

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Speaker 2: a certain age. Guys will buy cars because they can't

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Speaker 2: couldn't buy that car when they were growing up. Now

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Speaker 2: you have some money, a lot of guys go back

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Speaker 2: and get a sixty five Corvette.

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Speaker 10: Yes, Marvin, Yeah, Nostalgia's undefeated, and especially in the sneaker

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Speaker 10: game for somebody like me. I'm forty one. Everyone in

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Speaker 10: my age range when the new Jordans come out or

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Speaker 10: the retro Jordans, man, I couldn't buy those in nineteen

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Speaker 10: ninety six because there's no way my mom or somebody

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Speaker 10: else's mom was gonna one hundred and thirty dollars pair

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Speaker 10: of shoes. But now everyone's got a job, everyone's got

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Speaker 10: a little bit disposed to income. I'm buying three pairs

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Speaker 10: of those. If I could.

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Speaker 2: You go into some of these stores and they wrapped

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Speaker 2: the shoe in cell of fane or you know, protection,

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Speaker 2: and you're a collector and you're going in there, and

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Speaker 2: you know, we've had guests on here where their backdrop

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Speaker 2: is all their shoes. It's like a piece of art

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Speaker 2: that you're showcasing this. But I wore mine. I'm wearing

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Speaker 2: my shoes. I never went I'm gonna put these away.

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Speaker 2: Should have, but I never did that. I'm like, now

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Speaker 2: I'm out there playing and then you look at them

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Speaker 2: and you're like, they got roughed up.

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Speaker 4: But so what That's why I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I didn't, you know, buy them so I could keep

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Speaker 2: them as a collector's item. Now I should have, But

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying at the time, I'm like, no, I'm

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Speaker 2: wearing these suckers. Man, gonna elevate my game. Yeah, Paul,

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Speaker 2: I was just.

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Speaker 5: Reading about when Nike signed Bo Jackson, they want to

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Speaker 5: do a shoe, but football shoes don't sell and baseball

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Speaker 5: shoes don't sell. But Bo was playing all these different

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Speaker 5: sports and they said, how about a cross trainer, which

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Speaker 5: hadn't been invented as a term really yet for shoes,

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Speaker 5: And they had these tan white and blue, and I

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Speaker 5: had three different pair of these. Cross trainers is one

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Speaker 5: of the best selling shoes in Nike history. But they

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Speaker 5: had to come up with something around Bo Jackson.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was one of those that you had to

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Speaker 2: have cross trainers, And I don't know what they were

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Speaker 2: even for, because it wasn't like I wanted to go

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Speaker 2: mountain climbing or you go jogging, but you don't you

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Speaker 2: have cross trainers.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, no, I don't. Yes, Tom, would you.

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Speaker 8: Be interested this for all you guys, that's a fancy

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Speaker 8: car you always wanted to bet you could or would

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Speaker 8: never drive just to show it off or just have

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Speaker 8: it locked away somewhere just to have the feeling of,

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Speaker 8: look what I got, and you're never going to ever

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Speaker 8: drive it because you don't want the mileage to even

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Speaker 8: change one tenth of a mile.

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Speaker 2: Well, I have cars that I love looking at. It's

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Speaker 2: a piece of art, it's rolling art. But I don't

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Speaker 2: have any problem driving then I don't worry about putting

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Speaker 2: miles on them.

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Speaker 4: But there are people.

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Speaker 2: I met a guy who had a nineteen sixty eight

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Speaker 2: Corvette and he never drove it. He wrapped it in

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Speaker 2: cellophane or some kind of protection, and he wanted it

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Speaker 2: to be brand new, and so I don't know if

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Speaker 2: he kept it. But I didn't really know him. I

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Speaker 2: just met him and I go, why do you have

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Speaker 2: the why'd you wrap up your corvette? He goes, Oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm never going to drive it.

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Speaker 4: And I go, okay, And.

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Speaker 2: Maybe somebody paid a lot of money for a sixty

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Speaker 2: eight corvette that you certainly had low miles on it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Todd, isn't that a little bizarre.

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Speaker 8: I'm not to judging anybody, But like a painting, you

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Speaker 8: don't do anything with it. You're not going to paint

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Speaker 8: over it or trace it or anything you put on

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Speaker 8: the wall to look at. To also do that with

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Speaker 8: a car and never ever take it out once, just

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Speaker 8: for a couple of minutes or one special night out.

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Speaker 4: This seems weird, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Remember we were talking yesterday about me texting people who

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Speaker 5: Okay, thank you for that?

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Speaker 4: My pipe and smoking? Yes, okay, new pole question hour three.

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Speaker 4: Okay, fair, fair, you're not you don't shut off the phone.

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Speaker 5: You got the friends and fair only.

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Speaker 2: I last text him February seventeenth. I said you made

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Speaker 4: Oh.

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Speaker 2: Finally heard back from him. It took a while. I

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Speaker 7: Grew up morn, sir? How are you doing well? I was.

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Speaker 7: I was kicking back thinking about shoes. Do you remember

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Speaker 7: I want to tell you that arch Banning is never

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Speaker 7: going to see them. It's never gonna happen. That wasn't

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Brandon arch isn't winning the heisman? Marvin agrees, Uh,

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Speaker 6: Hey Dan?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I already used to go down the gardens myself, Cincinnati

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Speaker 6: It was probably the coolest thing I've ever seen in

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Speaker 11: Remember that.

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Speaker 2: No, I love big Reggie Jackson fan. I love those uniforms,

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Speaker 2: Late eighties, early nineties, Oakland Athletics, All White, Jose, Mark Maguire,

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Speaker 4: Mark, except for you and Teal. Oh yeah, Teals terrible, terrible? Uh,

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Speaker 4: Steven in Virginia, High Steve, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 7: Hey, good morning, gentlemen, Good morning.

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Speaker 12: Just listening to your conversation about Aaron Donald. How do

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Speaker 2: Well, he was a great player, and that's another one

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Speaker 7: He was a beast.

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Speaker 2: But then you had Reggie White as well. Reggie might

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Speaker 2: or mean Joe Green, Now, I'll throw the Lawrence Taylor

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Speaker 5: Yeah, PAULI, Reggie White was first team All Pro at

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Speaker 2: And mean, Joe Green was truly mean, like he would

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Speaker 4: I mean they were stacked. That was great.

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Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't great because I was a Bengal fan

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Speaker 2: Let me take a break when we come back. Newpole

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Speaker 2: question and more of your phone calls as well. We're

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Speaker 2: just getting started. Maybe I'll hear from other dead people, Todd.

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Speaker 2: Maybe my mom will reach out to me. Yeah, I

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Speaker 8: You wouldn't be happy with me.

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Speaker 4: She probably wouldn't be. Well, take a break. We're back

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Speaker 2: I've been talking about Aaron Donald, how I think he's

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Speaker 2: Football Focus on the most valuable If I put Aaron Donald,

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Speaker 14: Yeah, So we have a model over at PFF dot com.

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Speaker 15: Least valuable defensive position is what oh I would say.

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Speaker 14: to hold.

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Speaker 2: Like that, if the Bengals ask you and Pro Football

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Speaker 2: Focus if they should give Trey Hendrickson a three year

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Speaker 2: deal or just giv him a one year deal and

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Speaker 2: let him walk, what would Pro Football Focus tell the Bengals.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I think that it comes down to sort of

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Speaker 14: exactly what the conversation ended up being between these two parties,

445
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Speaker 14: and that is, he's I believe thirty right now, are

446
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Speaker 14: about to thurn thirty one. What does his performance look

447
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Speaker 14: like in twenty twenty six and twenty twenty seven? Where

448
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Speaker 14: is that drop off there? And you know, it's a

449
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Speaker 14: little bit of a different metric. I don't know, you know,

450
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Speaker 14: if we have something out there for necessary like age decline,

451
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Speaker 14: but I can tell you from a wins above average standpoint,

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Speaker 14: the only edge rusher that we had in our system

453
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Speaker 14: that was more valuable than Trey Henderson, who led the

454
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Speaker 14: NFL and pressures last year, was Miles Garrett. And the

455
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Speaker 14: reason why Miles Garrett was a little bit higher is

456
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Speaker 14: simply because he was better as a run defender. But

457
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Speaker 14: Trey was doing his job extremely well out and I

458
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Speaker 14: would stack that up with the rest of the team

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Speaker 14: there with the Bengals, you're not just looking at what

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Speaker 14: Trey Henderson is versus the rest of the league. Of course,

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Speaker 14: that goes into the overall number of what you're discussing

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Speaker 14: with the contract, but it also goes into who else

463
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Speaker 14: do you have on your team, Because if you look

464
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Speaker 14: at the Bengals, the three players that are higher and

465
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Speaker 14: wins above average or the three that you would expect,

466
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Speaker 14: it's t Higgins, it's Jamar Chason, of course is Joe Burrow,

467
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Speaker 14: but after that it's Trey Henderson, and then you know

468
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Speaker 14: the next guy on the team is much much lower.

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Speaker 14: So I would certainly tell the Bengals, like, hey, if

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Speaker 14: you want to compete for a Super Bowl, if you

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Speaker 14: want to compete in what is maybe the toughest division

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Speaker 14: in the NFL, you probably cannot do it with this guy,

473
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Speaker 14: and you're not going to be able to replace him

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Speaker 14: in the aggregate.

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Speaker 2: Trevor Sikamau, the Pro Football Focus Lead NFL Draft analyst

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Speaker 2: co host of NFL Stock Exchange podcast. For a guy

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Speaker 2: who won the Heisman and is coming in and maybe

478
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Speaker 2: playing both ways, there is little conversation about Travis Hunter,

479
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Speaker 2: which I find remarkable. Has Pro Football Focus looked at

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Speaker 2: what's more valuable in all Pro cornerback or an All

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Speaker 2: Pro wide receiver with Travis Hunter?

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Speaker 14: So these guys are it is pretty close between those.

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Speaker 14: Because you know, as we were putting together and again

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Speaker 14: I wasn't in the beginning stages of this. I've just

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Speaker 14: done a lot of reading up on it and had

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Speaker 14: conversations with a lot of people who kind of came

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Speaker 14: up with this metric for us. What we realized is

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Speaker 14: that wins above average and wins above replacement in the

489
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Speaker 14: game of football gets a lot higher the further you

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Speaker 14: are away from the ball, actually because normally you have

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Speaker 14: less help, right, I mean, like when you're closer to

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Speaker 14: the ball, if you're in the box. You know, as

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Speaker 14: an interior defensive lineman or a linebacker and even sometimes

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Speaker 14: edge rushers. You have a lot of help next to you.

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Speaker 14: But when you get all the way out to the

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Speaker 14: sideline and it's a corner and a wide receiver, you're

497
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Speaker 14: on an island. It's all about your individual skills. How

498
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Speaker 14: can you get open? How can you not let a

499
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Speaker 14: receiver get open? And what we have figured out is

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Speaker 14: that some years it can flip right. Some years the

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Speaker 14: highest wins above average wide receiver like a Jamar Chase

502
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Speaker 14: or a Justin Jefferson can be a little bit higher.

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Speaker 14: But last year, for example, it was Patrick Shirtan. He

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Speaker 14: was the highest graded defender that we had from a

505
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Speaker 14: wins above average standpoint. He ends up winning Defensive Player

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Speaker 14: of the Year, and it's just because of exactly what

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Speaker 14: he's able to do. You can stick him on an

508
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Speaker 14: island against the other team's best playmaker in the passing

509
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Speaker 14: game and he can totally take him away. That is

510
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Speaker 14: unbelievably valuable from an individual standpoint in a team game.

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Speaker 4: So it is sort of close.

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Speaker 14: But to answer your question, I think that for the

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Speaker 14: most part, if you are a true top tier, top

514
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Speaker 14: five corner, that is going to be more valuable than

515
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Speaker 14: even the top wide receivers, because again we get back

516
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Speaker 14: to scarcity. There's a lot of wide receivers who can

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Speaker 14: do it at a very high level. There's not a

518
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Speaker 14: ton of corners that you can go out there and

519
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Speaker 14: tell them to play cat cover and say, hey, you

520
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Speaker 14: go cover that cat, make sure he doesn't catch the football.

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Speaker 14: The top ones do, and our numbers reflect that type

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Speaker 14: of scarcity and that value. So that's why I was

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Speaker 14: a big proponent of Travis Hunter being a corner in

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Speaker 14: the NFL and understanding that if you wanted to get

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Speaker 14: benefit of the both sides of the ball with him,

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Speaker 14: you'd probably have to play him a little bit differently.

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Speaker 14: But I always said, you can play him full time

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Speaker 14: at corner, get maximum value there, and then moonlight him

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Speaker 14: a little bit as a wide receiver and sort of

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Speaker 14: get that value there. You can't do the opposite. You

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Speaker 14: can't have a guy play full time at wide receiver

532
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Speaker 14: and then say hey, go play a couple of plays

533
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Speaker 14: at corner or at least it's really damn.

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Speaker 4: Difficult to do that.

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Speaker 14: So that's why I was a big proponent of him

536
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Speaker 14: playing cornerback because our wins above average model sort of

537
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Speaker 14: spoke to that value there.

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Speaker 4: Does Pro Football Focus have Hall of Fame grades?

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we do.

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Speaker 14: Our data goes back to two thousand and six, and

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Speaker 14: I know that that every year we kind of try

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Speaker 14: to take the data a little bit further, you know,

543
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Speaker 14: like we'll watch a bunch of the season for ROH

544
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Speaker 14: five before all those kinds of things. But I'm not sure.

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Speaker 14: I'm not sure if we have a specific Hall of

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Speaker 14: Fame grades for all those guys that are in the Hall.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, even those who could get in the Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame, like pending Hall of famers.

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Speaker 14: Yes, we definitely would, certainly, certainly, certainly if they're recent guys, Yes,

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Speaker 14: like Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 2: Is Russell Wilson, by your metrics, already a Hall of Famer?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean that's that is a great question. I

553
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Speaker 14: wouldn't be able to answer off the top of my head.

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Speaker 14: But I do know that Russell has a ton of value. Again,

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Speaker 14: like I know that just from off the top of

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Speaker 14: my head. If you were making a case for Russell

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Speaker 14: Wilson to make the Hall of Fame, his wins above

558
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Speaker 14: average numbers I think would really help him in that case.

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Speaker 4: Like I really do.

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Speaker 14: I think that's a it's a great case study. It's

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Speaker 14: a great you might have just given me a future

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Speaker 14: article to write over at PFF dot com. They're looking

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Speaker 14: at some of those guys who are active players and

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Speaker 14: might have a Hall of Fame case. But I do

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Speaker 14: know off the top of my head that that would

566
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Speaker 14: be a metric that would help him because I've seen

567
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Speaker 14: him at the very top of that list a handful

568
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Speaker 14: of times.

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Speaker 2: Great to talk to you. We'll talk to you during

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Speaker 2: the season. Thank you, Trevor, appreciate deep anytime. Trevor Sikima

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Speaker 2: Pro Football Focus, the lead NFL draft analyst. They got

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Speaker 2: all of this information, all this data, and there they

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Speaker 2: probably won Patrick certain the defensive player of the year.

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Speaker 2: When you think about all the data that they had,

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Speaker 2: and you know, the wins above replacement because if you

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Speaker 2: watch Denver, like sometimes watching a defensive back, there's nothing

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Speaker 2: to watch. If they're that good, you're probably not going

578
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Speaker 2: in their direction. And edge rusher has a chance to

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Speaker 2: make an impact, you can see him. You may just

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Speaker 2: stay away from the left side of the field with

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Speaker 2: Patrick Sirtan, But yeah, some of the data that they

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Speaker 2: have fascinates me.

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Speaker 4: All right, Dean in Dallas. Hi Deane, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 12: Hey Dan?

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Speaker 11: Six six seventy. Hey you're an Aaron Donald topic again today?

586
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Speaker 11: And my favorite play ever in the NFL or it

587
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Speaker 11: should be a statue outside of Sofar is Aaron Donald

588
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Speaker 11: taking Ezekiel Elliott with one arm and throwing him into

589
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Speaker 11: dark Prescott. It's amazing. Paullie, look it.

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Speaker 2: Up, Polly, look it up. You're not doing anything over there.

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Speaker 2: Jim in Portland, Hi Jim, what's on your mind today?

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Speaker 7: Hey?

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Speaker 1: Dan?

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Speaker 16: I Today it's my thirtieth wedding anniversary, which makes it

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Speaker 16: the thirtieth anniversary of when you crashed the my rehearsal

596
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Speaker 16: dinner party in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, at a restaurant

597
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Speaker 16: where you It's kind of a crazy story, but one

598
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Speaker 16: of my guests at the wedding was good friends with

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Speaker 16: Jay Billis and wanted to see Jay, who was not

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Speaker 16: coming to the wedding, so asked me if Jay could

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Speaker 16: come to the party after the rehearsal dinner. We had

602
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Speaker 16: rented the restaurant for the night. Everybody's going to be there,

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Speaker 16: so I said, sure.

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Speaker 11: Bring Jay.

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Speaker 16: So Jay comes, and then you showed up, apparently with Jay.

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Speaker 16: I still don't even know the whole story, and it

607
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Speaker 16: caused quite a stir. My cousins were very impressed with

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Speaker 16: me that somehow Dan Patrick showed up. My mom commented

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Speaker 16: at the end of the night that she had no

610
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Speaker 16: idea who you were, but everybody seemed excited you were there,

611
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Speaker 16: and that you were very tall and handsome, and you

612
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Speaker 16: paid for a lot of drinks of other people, which

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Speaker 16: she really appreciated. So kind of become a famous story

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Speaker 16: in my family. And I just wanted to thank you

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Speaker 16: and acknowledge.

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Speaker 2: Well, Jim, congratulations to you and your wife on thirty years.

617
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Speaker 2: And it's our anniversary today and I will celebrate accordingly.

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Speaker 4: So thank you for the phone call.

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Speaker 7: Okay, see all right.

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Speaker 17: I don't remember that.

621
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Speaker 4: It's thirty years ago.

622
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Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was prime Sports Center days. It

624
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Speaker 2: was a big deal back Yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, wonder

625
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Speaker 2: his mom thought I was handsome?

626
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Speaker 7: Yeah?

627
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Speaker 2: Yeah, hello, yeah, mind if we dance?

628
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Speaker 4: I was slaying back then. Yeah.

629
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Speaker 2: So is this your sister? Your mother? No, come on,

630
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Speaker 2: she looks like she could be your sister. Come here,

631
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Speaker 2: come here. Oh how about that song? Do you want

632
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Speaker 2: to dance?

633
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Speaker 4: Yeah?

634
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Speaker 2: How about I sing to you a little berry white.

635
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: Oh that's sad, very very sad. All right, let me

636
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Speaker 2: take a break and happy anniversary today. My anniversary is

637
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Speaker 2: coming up on the twenty ninth.

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Speaker 4: What day is that? Is that Friday?

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Speaker 5: Friday?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah?

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Speaker 10: Where are we going?

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Speaker 4: Uh? Nowhere? Didn't you celebrate my anniversary, PAULI?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think see. And I attended a dinner with

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Speaker 5: you and your wife and MC at a super.

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Speaker 3: Bowl that was New Orleans, no, no, Houston. We definitely

646
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Speaker 3: sat at one end of the table.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I know, I know that was I know it

648
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Speaker 2: was weird. Wait where we celebrating? Am my anniversary in Dublin?

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Speaker 5: Dublin?

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Speaker 3: Oh it's Dublin.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's right.

652
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Speaker 5: You guys had planned a nice night out for two,

653
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Speaker 5: a very very nice restaurant with oysters. Yes, and for

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Speaker 5: some reason, you casually throughout if you guys aren't doing

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Speaker 5: it any tonight, stop by, and it felt like a

656
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Speaker 5: real invitation.

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Speaker 2: Well, when we go on the road, it's amazing how

658
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Speaker 2: many friends I have. I'll be going out to dinner

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Speaker 2: next thing, I know, Paulio, Hey what are you thinking

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Speaker 2: for dinner? And I go, well, it's my anniversary. It's

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Speaker 2: gonna go out with my wife.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, where are you going?

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Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden, paulioll go oh, I just

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Speaker 2: you know, I googled it. That's a nice place. They

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Speaker 2: got oysters there yet, table for six You guys you

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Speaker 2: interested in going?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's definitely a better meal than what I

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Speaker 3: was probably gonna have, like going to get a bag

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Speaker 3: of Walgreens trail mix that I normally eat for dinner.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, I blame you.

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Speaker 5: You gave us the you guys are welcome to join us,

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Speaker 5: which means you don't want us to join us when

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Speaker 5: you say you're welcome to and we took you up

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Speaker 5: on it.

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Speaker 2: All right, Now, that's a good dinner too, Yes, that was.

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Speaker 2: How about we take a break. Let's take a break,

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Speaker 2: last call for phone calls, what we learn, what's in

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Speaker 2: store tomorrow, all of that right after this.

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Speaker 2: I was out in the mailroom and I saw we

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Speaker 2: got a package full of potato chips.

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Speaker 4: Seton. Did you mention grippas I did?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we just got a whole box of potato chips

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Speaker 2: out there, the greatest potato chips in the world. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: we didn't. Yes, yes, somebody from the Home office there.

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Speaker 2: They were like, thank you. We fell out of our

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Speaker 2: chair when Seaton brought up the potato.

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Speaker 3: Chip, best potato chips in the whole world. I had

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Speaker 3: them driving once, driving through Ohio and we just stopped

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Speaker 3: at a random gas station or whatever to fill up,

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Speaker 3: and I grabbed the bag of potato chips. Holly smokes.

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Speaker 2: A couple of phone calls here, this day in sports history,

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Speaker 2: this day in movie history, all of that. Sneak a

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Speaker 2: few phone calls in here. Nick in the Ozarks, Hey, Nick,

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Speaker 2: what's on your mind today?

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Speaker 18: Hey, A long time I wanted to talk to you

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Speaker 18: about the tennis shoes. We wore those Adida superstars that

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Speaker 18: you talked about for three years and then my senior

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Speaker 18: year they decided to switch to the wonderful shoe called

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Speaker 18: the pro ked Swede. Yeah, we talked about it. We

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Speaker 18: went through three pairs in a single season, every one

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Speaker 18: of us. Because they they did deal with Zion Williamson

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Speaker 18: put through the sidewall.

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Speaker 2: I know, those looked good. They weren't good shoes. But

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Speaker 2: Pete Maravich wore the pro Heads as well, but they

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Speaker 2: were heavy shoes as well. Adida Superstar best best tennis

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Speaker 2: shoe ever made.

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Speaker 4: Sean and Daytona Beach. Hey, Sean, Dan, thanks for calling

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Speaker 4: me back.

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Speaker 17: Yep, six foot point two this morning, we are talking

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Speaker 17: about shoes.

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Speaker 7: Back to school.

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Speaker 11: Now.

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Speaker 17: I just turned fifty a few weeks ago. We didn't

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Speaker 17: have a whole lot of money growing up, so I

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Speaker 17: was never allowed to get to Jordan's or the quote

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Speaker 17: unquote expensive shoes. Well, when I was twelve years old,

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Speaker 17: starting seventh grade, I picked out a pair of Chuck

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Speaker 17: Taylors and I wore them in the gym class and

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Speaker 17: they were blaze orange. Coach never let me live it

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Speaker 17: down how much he hated those shoes for five years

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Speaker 17: in that school.

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Speaker 2: Awful, all right, thank you, Sean. Yeah, I wore a

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Speaker 2: high top. We had white Chuck Taylors, and then we

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Speaker 2: went crazy my senior year we had black high top

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Speaker 2: Chuck Taylors. It was a big deal. It was a

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Speaker 2: big deal for the Mason comments. I'll tell you that

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Speaker 2: CJ and New Hampshire.

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Speaker 4: I CJ.

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Speaker 9: Hey, Dan A long time list their first time caller

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Speaker 9: five seven in athletic two ten calling in I've had

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Speaker 9: this long debate going. I'm an Eagles fan. I got

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Speaker 9: a lot of Patriots fans around me up here in

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Speaker 9: New Hampshire. I have been arguing whether or not Drew

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Speaker 9: Bledsoe is worse than Nick Foles. I think Nick Foles

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Speaker 9: is better than Drew Bledsoe. I understand Bletsoe had a

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Speaker 9: longer career, but I think if you tripled Nick foles career,

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Speaker 9: it would be just as good as Bloodshow's. I wanted

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Speaker 9: your opinion. Thank you, Dan in the.

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Speaker 4: You can't triple his career. His career is his career, cjing.

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Speaker 9: Like if with the accolades that Nick Foles has with

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Speaker 9: like setting the most touchdown passes in a single game,

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Speaker 9: most touchdowns thrown without an interception. You know, Bledsoe had

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Speaker 9: a long career, but did he really achieve anything other

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Speaker 9: than just throwing.

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Speaker 7: He threw a lot of yards.

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Speaker 9: I understand he's I think in the top ten for

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Speaker 9: passing yards all time, or somewhere in the top twenty.

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Speaker 2: Well, Drew bled Drew Bledshoe is a better quarterback. But

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Speaker 2: Nick Foles had better highlights.

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Speaker 4: But thank you.

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Speaker 12: CJ.

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Speaker 2: Doyn't know if I answered your debate, because I think

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Speaker 2: you wanted me to lean towards Nick Foles. Nick Foles

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Speaker 2: is one of those great curiosities in NFL history.

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Speaker 4: It's like he is so good too, he's a backup.

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Speaker 2: He's so good he's winning a super Bowl to be

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Speaker 2: a backup. Yes, Marvin, the word is choppy. Oh, choppy

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Speaker 2: is the new word. The new word choppy. How about

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Speaker 2: this day in movie history?

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Speaker 5: Paul, of course, This Day in movie History released on

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Speaker 5: this date in nineteen eighty seven, The movie Dirty Dancing

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Speaker 5: dan two hundred and thirteen million dollars at the box office,

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Speaker 5: number one hit song and songs plural. The soundtrack went

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Speaker 5: to number one. Who likes the movie loves the movie?

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Speaker 5: Does not like the movie Dirty Dancing?

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Speaker 4: Todd I like it a lot, and I like the

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Speaker 4: song alot. Seaton, I remember liking it.

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Speaker 2: Marvin, I like it, Yeah, I do. I mean Patrick

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Speaker 2: Swayze does great good hair.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what do I s it? Jennifer Gray?

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I just I'm not a I'm not a

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Speaker 3: dancing movie guy. I'm not really somebody who's like, oh cool.

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Speaker 3: Another movie about people dancing. Sign me up, it's not

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Speaker 3: usually my thing.

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Speaker 4: I like it when they're in the lake, when they're

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Speaker 4: deady hold her up. The dancing me. Yeah, don't try

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Speaker 4: that at all.

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Speaker 3: They give the little at the end, they give each

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Speaker 3: other a little nod like, let's.

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Speaker 4: Go for it, let's do it.

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Speaker 10: Yes, that whole era, that mid eighties. Man, they really

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Speaker 10: love dancing movies. You know what, don't let us we're

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Speaker 10: going to dance anyway.

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Speaker 4: Well you have foot loose. I'm read loose, Dirty Dancing,

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Speaker 4: Flash Chance.

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Speaker 3: The TV show.

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Speaker 2: Man and Jennifer biles O. Jennifer Beals had kind of

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Speaker 2: a Phoebe Kates like there was a vibe.

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Speaker 3: To be fair, though they've done that storyline a million times.

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Speaker 3: Welding by day dancing by night.

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Speaker 2: I think j Lo did that. She was welder and

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Speaker 2: then she became a dancer. Yes, they should bring back

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Speaker 2: the leg warmers. I thought that was a good look.

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Speaker 2: Teas the hair up with the leg warmers. Jane Fonda,

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Speaker 2: Olivia Newton, John they gave us the leg warmers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's two more dancing movies for you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Grease, Oh, Grease too.

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Speaker 3: And uh it was a Saturday night fever Saturday Night Fever.

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Speaker 4: And then the follow up was.

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Speaker 3: Whether they all moved to LA and become fitness instructors.

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Speaker 4: And then we just love to dance. That's all home

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Speaker 4: videos the next big thing.

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Speaker 2: Let's go around the room, see if we learned anything, Todd,

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Speaker 2: Do you learn anything today?

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Speaker 7: I did?

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Speaker 8: Bill in Washington Belause Andrew Luck would have won Super

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Speaker 8: Bowls and have been among the all time greats if

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Speaker 8: he hadn't retired early Seaton.

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Speaker 4: What did you learn today? You crashed a party thirty

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Speaker 4: years ago? Today? I know with Jay billis.

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Speaker 10: Or Revis first team All Pro with no interceptions.

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Speaker 4: And no highlights.

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Speaker 5: Paul Benducci had to pay four fifty for his Cowboys.

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Speaker 4: Jersey Todd from Paulie.

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Speaker 8: Reggie White was able to make first Team All Pro

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Speaker 8: as youngest twenty four and his oldest thirty eight. How

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Speaker 8: about that?

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Speaker 4: What we learned?

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Speaker 2: head coach Mike McDaniel, thanks for joining us what Ton.

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Speaker 4: We're all one to close it to death.

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Speaker 8: I believe you said earlier this month

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Speaker 4: For Fritzie sat and mar Pauli years truly, We'll talk

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Speaker 4: to you tomorrow