Speaker 1: Hey, everyone in and you are listening to Eyes up
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Speaker 1: As always, I am joined by my co host Chad.
Speaker 2: Hello, Chadster. How are we today?
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm awesome. I have a new name for you
Speaker 3: as well this week for me. Yes, for myself, I have.
Speaker 4: A new name.
Speaker 3: Okay, I've renamed myself. Instead of the gesture of jubilation,
Speaker 3: I'm the gesture of jeering because I'm never jubilant.
Speaker 4: I'm usually jeering.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. Yes, I'm glad you finally
Speaker 1: have come to the revelation.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well that's good. Oh you're happy. That's good just to.
Speaker 4: Be here, but not in general.
Speaker 1: I got you. You're usually your miserable self. But that's okay.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're happy today. We have a great guest
Speaker 1: that's coming on in a couple of minutes. But let's
Speaker 1: do just a quick recap. Anything going on in your
Speaker 1: world that I need to know about.
Speaker 3: Oh man, it's another in my world specifically, But you know,
Speaker 3: the wrestling world is pretty crazy right about now, and
Speaker 3: I'm loving every second of it. Say yeah, I haven't
Speaker 3: been this into, uh to what's going on in in
Speaker 3: WWE in quite a while. Their television product has been pretty,
Speaker 3: uh pretty goddamn entertaining, So I have to tell you
Speaker 3: it's been quite fun to be a fan watching the product.
Speaker 5: I have to Well, the main event story, I'll just say, is.
Speaker 1: This because you're a mega rock fan.
Speaker 5: I think maybe just because of the old school flavor
Speaker 5: of the rock.
Speaker 4: I think that's it.
Speaker 3: But the rest of the players are doing their part too.
Speaker 3: It's not just him, it's everybody else. It's it's Cody,
Speaker 3: it's Roman, it's seth Rollins, it's Stepford, everybody, Paul Hayman,
Speaker 3: it's everyone involved is doing their part. It's but it's
Speaker 3: cool as a fan. So that's what Personally in my life,
Speaker 3: my life's.
Speaker 4: Always in chaos.
Speaker 5: But from a wrestling point of view, I got to
Speaker 5: say loving it.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, that sounds good. I have not been watching
Speaker 1: as usual, per yus with me trying to keep up
Speaker 1: with it a little on social media, but I haven't
Speaker 1: really seen anything. And then again, like you know, Wrestle
Speaker 1: Media Week and I'm gonna be extremely busy. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I'll have a chance to watch, but maybe
Speaker 1: I'll watch it when I come home, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: if I hear it's it's good, which it probably will be.
Speaker 1: Let's you know, let's just say that right now. But
Speaker 1: like two nights, it's just it's just so much. God man,
Speaker 1: that's so. But it's cool if like you're a wrestling
Speaker 1: fan and you have a bunch of friends who dig
Speaker 1: it and you get some you know, some drinks or
Speaker 1: some snacks and you're all like going over somebody's house
Speaker 1: and hanging out like that makes it more fun. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, those days are over for me. I don't
Speaker 1: do that. I'm here when you're younger and you're so
Speaker 1: into the product and you have those wrestling buddies that
Speaker 1: you can hang out with, that's a good time. So
Speaker 1: I'm assuming there's gonna be a bunch of WrestleMania watch
Speaker 1: parties out there and that's fun. So hopefully it's a
Speaker 1: good show and everybody enjoys it. But yeah, yeah, right
Speaker 1: for me. Myself got away with the kids this past week.
Speaker 1: My husband actually went to the Arnold Classic and yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, if you know my husband, he is
Speaker 1: a huge fan of Arnold Twarzenegger if you go in
Speaker 1: our gym, like, Arnold is everywhere. He's staring at me
Speaker 1: everywhere I turned. And then he brought him more swag
Speaker 1: that he got and it's more Arnold, and I'm.
Speaker 5: Just like, good lord Arnold, I want to see it.
Speaker 1: He's everywhere. He didn't get to meet him, but he
Speaker 1: you know, Arnold was on the panel a couple of times,
Speaker 1: so he got to see him. But he met a
Speaker 1: lot of the pro bodybuilders.
Speaker 4: Michael hearn he met awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't know the other guy's names. He
Speaker 1: was telling me a bunch of the guys he met,
Speaker 1: but very cool and he had a really good time.
Speaker 1: So I took the kids down to ac and did
Speaker 1: a little swimming, a little cuisine, got to walk laps
Speaker 1: around the casino, which was you know, that was our exercise,
Speaker 1: just kept walking. It's hilarious because this one lady like
Speaker 1: got a bonus on her slot machine, and my son goes,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, everybody stop, she has a bonus. We
Speaker 1: have to watch and see what she would.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: I was like, listen, kids, do not gamble. You save
Speaker 1: your money, you buy houses and cars, and you do
Speaker 1: not come here. You do not gamble. This is just
Speaker 1: the place where we're We swim, we eat, we have
Speaker 1: a good time. So uh, it was fun, but you
Speaker 1: know it was It was a nice little getaway for
Speaker 1: us and had.
Speaker 2: A nice Time's awesome.
Speaker 1: We do back. Yeah, no gambling when I'm with the kids,
Speaker 1: No gambling, none, just found though I look around the
Speaker 1: floor to see, like what machines are hitting, like I
Speaker 1: need to I need to know what's going on, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like I'm always like because you know,
Speaker 1: with the kids, you're not allowed to step on the carpet.
Speaker 1: You have to stay on the marble floor. Kids are
Speaker 1: not under twenty one, you're not allowed on the carpet.
Speaker 1: So my eyes are always open and I'm always looking around.
Speaker 1: But no gambling, just a lot of fun. It was
Speaker 1: a good time. I can't wait till the boardwalk. It's
Speaker 1: it's warmer and the boardwalk still what is it still?
Speaker 1: Peer Yeah? Still pier that opens up and we go
Speaker 1: there and we go on the rides and go to
Speaker 1: the beach and it's a good time. So really looking
Speaker 1: forward to it.
Speaker 2: Very cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fun, fun stuff. And by the time you hear this,
Speaker 1: my weekend I'll be over. But I'm in Chicka Laca Laco, Ohio.
Speaker 1: It was a great show. Me and Sandman had a
Speaker 1: great time, and.
Speaker 4: I just can't wait to hear the travel stories.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, hopefully it'll be some some you know, shenanigans
Speaker 1: going on, because there always is. It's never a smooth sale,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There's always something. Hopefully it's
Speaker 1: it's not too bad, but when I'm with the Sandman,
Speaker 1: anything can happen. So uh yeah, and Todd Gordon was
Speaker 1: supposed to come with us, and then his Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that is a story in itself. It would take me
Speaker 1: an hour to explain. But everything that's screwed up and
Speaker 1: now he's not coming. So it's uh, it's me, Hack
Speaker 1: and Shane and I. You know, there's a bunch of
Speaker 1: like we said this before, a bunch of ECW people,
Speaker 1: and again this is after the fact. I'm assuming I
Speaker 1: had a great time and we'll talk about it next
Speaker 1: week more. But I was trying to get ready for
Speaker 1: this and get my outfits ready.
Speaker 4: And.
Speaker 1: You know, this menopause is killing me. I gained weight again.
Speaker 4: Oh man, I'm dying.
Speaker 1: I'm fasting. I'm doing the inter minute fasting and I'm
Speaker 1: trying to watch what I eat and it's just like
Speaker 1: it's killing me. I just don't know what else to do.
Speaker 5: I think I have sympathy pains for you.
Speaker 1: You should because it's very hard being a woman.
Speaker 4: It's very hard being a man.
Speaker 1: Hopefully I want to go get out of here. It's
Speaker 1: so much harder.
Speaker 4: Being a you know how, you know how I am.
Speaker 5: I can drop weight like that, and right now I'm not.
Speaker 4: I'm dropping no weight like this. I'm not doing are you?
Speaker 1: Are you eating more? Because I'm not like I'm not
Speaker 1: eating more.
Speaker 3: I'm doing my I'm not as strict as I've been
Speaker 3: in past with diets. More about water drinking from me
Speaker 3: and in the current situation, I mean, I can't have
Speaker 3: access to water because I can't leave my designated areas
Speaker 3: fast to use the restroom. Oh right, but but that's
Speaker 3: a key factor for me, is water drinking and water
Speaker 3: removal from my body.
Speaker 4: But I'm doing.
Speaker 3: Pretty good, I thought with my diet. But no, I'm
Speaker 3: not just not seeing results. So I got sympathy pains
Speaker 3: for you, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's rough.
Speaker 1: I was like, can I just go to the plastic
Speaker 1: surgeon and just light though my whole body. Just stick
Speaker 1: that vacuum in me and suck everything out. If there's
Speaker 1: facts that stuck out, I don't even know. I don't
Speaker 1: even know what's going on. But I get on the
Speaker 1: scale and I literally give the scale the double finger.
Speaker 1: I get so mad every single time I get on
Speaker 1: that scale because I'm you know, I'm watching what I eat.
Speaker 1: I was trying to my protein, and now what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to do is I'm trying to eat one meal
Speaker 1: a day, which is not the healthy way to do
Speaker 1: it because I don't get my You know, you're supposed
Speaker 1: to get your protein and equaling to your weight, and
Speaker 1: I don't come, you're my protein when I only won
Speaker 1: meal a day, So that's screwing me up. But I'm
Speaker 1: trying to cut my calories, which they say you don't
Speaker 1: cut your calories. So I don't know what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: I am in limbo right now. I'm so mad. So
Speaker 1: that's what I'm struggling with. But you know, Hubbs doesn't
Speaker 1: want me to get any plastic surgery. He's like no.
Speaker 1: I was like, can I get my boobs done? He's
Speaker 1: like no, can we get life? Oh no? Can we
Speaker 1: get a lips? Done, no nothing. I'm one hundred percent
Speaker 1: natural right now. I have nothing done to myself and
Speaker 1: it shows. It shows that I'm natural. So I want
Speaker 1: to get some stuff done. But Hubs said now, and
Speaker 1: he put his foot down, so I have to listen
Speaker 1: to him.
Speaker 4: Here we go.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So this is a very good friend of
Speaker 1: mine who's tardy to the party. But I won't forgive
Speaker 1: him today. Divon Dudley, hall of Famer, Hall of famer
Speaker 1: in my heart, with the hall of Fame. I like that.
Speaker 2: Huh you k No, I was trying to find my pods.
Speaker 1: Well, your mouth isn't look his mouth isn't in sync
Speaker 1: with what he's saying.
Speaker 4: He's here, and that's what's important.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 1: I won't look at your mouth. I'm gonna look. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna stare into your eyes. My dear, how are you,
Speaker 1: my friend?
Speaker 2: I'm doing good, doing good, not bad, not bad. Get
Speaker 2: in sleep no.
Speaker 1: No, So let me just let me just say. When
Speaker 1: I was in Florida, I got to have dinner with
Speaker 1: Devon and his lovely wife and his lovely, lovely children.
Speaker 1: And they're a handful.
Speaker 2: Oh God, you have.
Speaker 1: Gorgeous family, beautiful, beautiful children. But the two little Are
Speaker 1: they four and five? The girls?
Speaker 2: The girl? Yes, they're four and five.
Speaker 1: Okay, so four and five years old. I'm thinking they're
Speaker 1: gonna be like dainty, very sweet, which they were very sweet,
Speaker 1: but because of their dad, they wrestled the whole time.
Speaker 1: We were trying to like sit and like have like
Speaker 1: an adult cushion. They were body slamming each other, throwing
Speaker 1: each other into the There was a glass coffee table
Speaker 1: in our room, and I was just like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: they were crazy. So yeah, your daughters, your your daughters
Speaker 1: are beautiful. They took a liking to me. They were
Speaker 1: holding my hand, giving me hugs. I love that stuff.
Speaker 1: I love children. But your son, oh my god. So
Speaker 1: this baby, I'm not naming names because I don't you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what you want out there in the world.
Speaker 1: But this bab okay oh so dj oh my god,
Speaker 1: this baby six weeks old at the time, this little
Speaker 1: tiny creature. I have been longing to hold a child.
Speaker 1: I haven't held a baby in years. It's been years
Speaker 1: because no one I know has children like tiny babies.
Speaker 1: So the first thing when they get out of the van,
Speaker 1: I'm like, am I about to hold him. I ended up, didn't.
Speaker 1: I ended up holding that baby for like the whole
Speaker 1: time you guys were there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1: This kid has the strongest neck that I've ever witnessed
Speaker 1: in his head was constantly back just staring at me.
Speaker 1: Is this lady? This is not my mother? But it
Speaker 1: was so nice because you know, I've seen you at
Speaker 1: conventions and stuff, but it was just so nice being
Speaker 1: able to just sit there and like break bread and
Speaker 1: just shoot the shit and not worry about working.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's always to me.
Speaker 6: It's always a pleasure to do something like that when
Speaker 6: you are with friends, especially from the past and people
Speaker 6: that you created history with, just to sit relaxed, talk
Speaker 6: about some of the old stories but then talk about
Speaker 6: some new stuf stories that we might not know of
Speaker 6: or remember and uh or that we should say that
Speaker 6: we created. So it's always good for that. I love
Speaker 6: I love doing.
Speaker 2: Things like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a lot of fun and I was
Speaker 1: I was glad we made it happen, and hopefully next
Speaker 1: year if we uh, if we come back, we'll do
Speaker 1: it again.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But I talked about your daughters. Now some people
Speaker 1: may not know this, most do, but your sons, your
Speaker 1: twins are actually doing things in the business. Now, do
Speaker 1: you want to talk about them a little bit?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: So Talenton Twell, they did a couple of things in
Speaker 6: a w They were in a huge storyline with Pope
Speaker 6: and myself and TNA.
Speaker 2: So they've been they've been around for a while. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, doing that thing.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I mean I get asked about them more
Speaker 6: than when people come to see me at the autograph
Speaker 6: signing as your sons. Oh, yes, sons were here. Your
Speaker 6: sons were there. Your sons are over they're over there.
Speaker 6: Listen that I'm not. I was nowhere near as over
Speaker 6: as my boys.
Speaker 3: That was a great storyline, it was. It was intense
Speaker 3: at some points. You know, they were they were a
Speaker 3: big part.
Speaker 2: Of the show. Yeah, they were.
Speaker 6: I mean they were only they were the only high
Speaker 6: school kids at the time that I knew that was
Speaker 6: on pay per view and making money.
Speaker 2: So that's about absolutely.
Speaker 1: So let's talk. Let's talk. Let's put you over and
Speaker 1: let's talk about you. Who cares about your kids? I
Speaker 1: don't care about them.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about you.
Speaker 1: How are you feeling people might not know you had
Speaker 1: surgery about a year ago?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had back surgery.
Speaker 6: They fused there four or five and then that's one
Speaker 6: I sometimes, you know, I was just talking to DDP
Speaker 6: because I've been I've been having like little chronic pains
Speaker 6: in the lower back, and that comes with surgery. So
Speaker 6: there's nothing abnormal. You know, when the weather's cold, you know,
Speaker 6: the body or the back hurts. When it rains, you know,
Speaker 6: the back hurts. So it's stuff like that, And it
Speaker 6: kind of made me walk a little funny sometimes, like
Speaker 6: a little bit of a limp, just because there's no
Speaker 6: cushion in between in your spine and in the vertebrates
Speaker 6: this cushion, so when you walk and you come down,
Speaker 6: you have that cushion as opposed to boom like you know,
Speaker 6: born on bone. So sometimes it happens if I don't
Speaker 6: stretch or take the time to really you know, move
Speaker 6: the lower limbs where I should, you know, that limp
Speaker 6: will come on. I'm like, oh, man, I forgot the stretch.
Speaker 6: I got to get back on the floor and stretch. Well,
Speaker 6: I mean, it just comes with the territory. Other than that,
Speaker 6: I'm fine, No, no big deals.
Speaker 1: You didn't stretch before you came to see me? Because
Speaker 1: he was walking in front of me elevator, and I
Speaker 1: was like, hey, old man, yell, a little limp going on.
Speaker 1: But then I was limping right behind him, so it's okay. Dinner.
Speaker 1: We were talking about all our ailments.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish I would have saw DDP first, be
Speaker 2: far had the surgery would be different. I don't know.
Speaker 6: It's you know, I've seen testimonies from other people that
Speaker 6: DDP has helped.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: There was just a new testimony by Butterbean where he
Speaker 6: could bully, he couldn't even walk, and now he's walking
Speaker 6: straight up talking about having another boxing match. There's another
Speaker 6: guy that I first heard about. He used to jump
Speaker 6: out of the airplanes and basically had the two not
Speaker 6: walking but the two uh with crutches that hooks onto
Speaker 6: his forearms, and he was walking like that he could
Speaker 6: barely move.
Speaker 2: And now he's running marathons and everything.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 6: And I was like, man, if I would have went
Speaker 6: to see him first, it could have maybe worked.
Speaker 2: May not, you know, maybe you wouldn't have got the surgery.
Speaker 1: You're saying I wouldn't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I would have. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have gotten it.
Speaker 6: I would have tried the DDP yoga first and his
Speaker 6: methods on how he's helped people all before I went
Speaker 6: and got it.
Speaker 2: Because I did.
Speaker 6: I tried everything possible before I had the surgery to
Speaker 6: alleviate the pain and all of that, and nothing seemed
Speaker 6: to work. So the only thing that was left was
Speaker 6: back surgery.
Speaker 1: Well, you know they, I mean, look at the job
Speaker 1: that we had for the longest time. And the people
Speaker 1: always say like, oh, well, if you go to wrestling school,
Speaker 1: they teach you how to bump correctly, and it's like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you bump correctly or don't bump correctly.
Speaker 1: Your body is going through trauma every single day. It's
Speaker 1: not normal to take a excuse me to take a
Speaker 1: back bump or to you know, fly off the top.
Speaker 1: That is not normal. And every little move you make
Speaker 1: is trauma.
Speaker 2: Well, God never intended your body to do things like that. No, man,
Speaker 2: did you know?
Speaker 6: We had to take each other down and show who
Speaker 6: was strong strong like bull and next thing you know,
Speaker 6: pro wrestling was from.
Speaker 1: It's just you know, everybody, well, if you trained, you
Speaker 1: should be okay, and it's just like dude, no, you're
Speaker 1: not okay. You can take one bump your whole life,
Speaker 1: and you don't have to be a wrestler. You can
Speaker 1: trip down the stairs and screw your whole body up
Speaker 1: for the rest of your life. So continuing to you know,
Speaker 1: bump every night like you guys did, you're gonna come
Speaker 1: across some health issues.
Speaker 6: You know, sometimes I look, I go, God, look at
Speaker 6: Jeff Hardy. You know, look at Jeff Hardy, look at
Speaker 6: rv D. Some of the things that they've done, they
Speaker 6: didn't need back, So what the hell am I doing wrong?
Speaker 1: They're still going?
Speaker 2: Which is still going?
Speaker 1: I heard a little birdie, not so little big birdie
Speaker 1: by the name of Bubba Ray Dudley, and he was saying,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you guys are gonna do another loop
Speaker 1: around the world or something as a tag team.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, we talked about it. You know,
Speaker 6: of course, you know that we're gonna give give you
Speaker 6: with the greatest hits.
Speaker 2: You know, we don't have to do anything.
Speaker 6: To try to reinvent the wheel or anything like that
Speaker 6: where you know, we go back. We're gonna just give
Speaker 6: the fans exactly what they like and what they missed.
Speaker 6: So we're gonna hit the greatest hits It's kind like Kiss,
Speaker 6: the rock group Kiss, you know, when they when they
Speaker 6: were they had to make up on and doing all
Speaker 6: the old songs, rock and roll all night, you know,
Speaker 6: all of those good hits. People loved them. The minute
Speaker 6: they took that makeup off, it was over. Fifth was over,
Speaker 6: and you know, and then they started coming up with
Speaker 6: new songs, and some of them were good, but they weren't.
Speaker 6: They weren't the classics. They weren't what Kiss was known for.
Speaker 6: The minute Kiss put the makeup on and went back
Speaker 6: on tour and started doing those you know, those classics,
Speaker 6: it was like it was like a resurge in the
Speaker 6: arm for Kiss, you know, and they just started all
Speaker 6: over again. So now that's what me and Bubba was saying.
Speaker 6: You know, we don't have to go out there and
Speaker 6: try to, you know, reinvent the wheel on tag team wrestling,
Speaker 6: or try to have five star matches.
Speaker 2: Let's just go out there and have fun and hit
Speaker 2: the greatest hits.
Speaker 1: Nostalgia. Nostalgia, that's what people want.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you could give it to him. Can we
Speaker 1: see the what's up? What's up?
Speaker 6: Well, maybe we'll do the what's up when Bubba's up
Speaker 6: on that top rop doing so reverse it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just holding legs open, just holding them. Hey,
Speaker 1: that's a good position to be in fun. Man, hold
Speaker 1: the woman's legs open or guy, if you're into that,
Speaker 1: that's fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Three D maybe, oh yeah, definitely three D, which I
Speaker 1: told him the other day. I would have taken that
Speaker 1: from you. Guys, no problem, it never happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, never happened. You got away, you were protected.
Speaker 1: They got away.
Speaker 6: You were protected by three of the toughest men, and
Speaker 6: Shane Douglas, Bam Bam Bigelow and Chris Candido, so the
Speaker 6: Dudleys couldn't touch at that point.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But I also feel like if you came into
Speaker 1: the company earlier than you did, you would have been
Speaker 1: feuding with the pit Bulls, and I would have taken.
Speaker 2: That from you.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean again, that would have been the Dudley's.
Speaker 6: We did actually work together. My first match I think
Speaker 6: a c W arena. It was me and Bubba versus
Speaker 6: the pit bulls.
Speaker 1: Was with them.
Speaker 2: Yep, you were with them and you beat the hell out.
Speaker 1: Of uh oh Chubby and dancing dancing.
Speaker 2: You had these seven inch I'm gonna say there was
Speaker 2: seven inches.
Speaker 6: And were standing on freaking uh dancing with Dudley's freaking
Speaker 6: going back and forth, up and down, trying to keep
Speaker 6: him down till you were trying to beat them up.
Speaker 6: I remember looking at that, I go, this is not wrestling.
Speaker 2: I go, what the hell am I doing here?
Speaker 1: Wwf, Hey, that's what I was told to do, you know?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I know, and I remember you you basically
Speaker 6: I see I turn around and see that, and then
Speaker 6: I start going after you, like walking towards you. It
Speaker 6: was like Jason going after the girl that he.
Speaker 2: Wants to kill somebody that slow you know, ye to
Speaker 2: the girl.
Speaker 6: And we were doing that around the ring until I
Speaker 6: believe Anthony jumped down and hit me in the back
Speaker 6: of the head of the ring.
Speaker 2: And then that was the night that you got a
Speaker 2: power bomb?
Speaker 1: Was it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You? So later we did the four corners match, I
Speaker 1: suppose yep. So it's funny because we didn't work together
Speaker 1: too much, but there's one match and when I had
Speaker 1: Bubba on and I wish I could we could pull
Speaker 1: it up to show you it because it's hilarious. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I didn't have anybody to work with
Speaker 1: that evening. But Paul made me come out when the
Speaker 1: Dudleys were in the ring. It was I think, I
Speaker 1: guess it was a house show. It was never for TV.
Speaker 1: And I they make me come out in this big jacket, right,
Speaker 1: and I you know I've addressed someone underneath it or whatever.
Speaker 1: And I try to entice you and I take the
Speaker 1: jacket off and you do the wa wouza with the eyes.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was such goga. It was ridiculous. I end up
Speaker 1: beating up all of you, and then Spike comes out
Speaker 1: and does like some kind of death like the death
Speaker 1: drop or something. Help the acid drop. That's right. But
Speaker 1: I gave like I gave Bubba ddp's diamond cutter, I
Speaker 1: did something to you. I gave Lou a regular d
Speaker 1: d T. I mean, it was ridiculous. I beat up
Speaker 1: your whole clan.
Speaker 2: Oh thank you by taking out by Francine. And then
Speaker 2: forty days later, I'm on the podcast, Well we were all.
Speaker 1: When I look back and I say to myself, my god,
Speaker 1: here I am one hundred and seventeen pounds soaking wet.
Speaker 1: I got all these big men around me, and I'm
Speaker 1: beating the shit out of everybody. It is so not believable,
Speaker 1: but it was just like a little haha, gaga spot
Speaker 1: to fill. Yeah.
Speaker 6: The great thing about stuff like that is when you
Speaker 6: look back at it, Yes, realistically, a woman in your
Speaker 6: side should not have been able to take out three
Speaker 6: guys outside. But back then ECW did things like that,
Speaker 6: and even though it didn't make sense, when you look
Speaker 6: at it, it was very entertaining.
Speaker 2: It was how we did it right and how we
Speaker 2: pulled it off.
Speaker 6: I got the reaction as opposed to some people that
Speaker 6: do things that don't make sense and then there's no reaction.
Speaker 6: We put a lot of entertainment and stuff like that
Speaker 6: to even though people knew that it could never happen,
Speaker 6: maybe it's a possibility it can because ECW is telling
Speaker 6: that story and that was just what we did. When
Speaker 6: you look at some of the matches that we did,
Speaker 6: oh my god, I cringe.
Speaker 1: Thing. What's the worst match that you had to do?
Speaker 1: That you look back and you say to myself, good lord,
Speaker 1: this is ridiculous. E c W.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not gonna say I mean we had
Speaker 6: great matches, but and I'll get to that question. What
Speaker 6: I was saying was it was like we're sitting up there,
Speaker 6: and when you look at some of the things that
Speaker 6: we're doing, stuff in front of the referee, you know,
Speaker 6: the referees watching and it's not being a dq or
Speaker 6: outside for like five twenty minutes on the outside of
Speaker 6: the ring.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like, what the hell were we thinking?
Speaker 6: But because we made it so entertaining and because we
Speaker 6: captivated an audience the way we did, people suspended that
Speaker 6: and just didn't even think about the rules or what
Speaker 6: didn't make sense.
Speaker 2: We made them believe it at that point.
Speaker 1: Because the other people were following the rules. The other
Speaker 1: companies were cookie cutter following the rules, and we took
Speaker 1: it outside the box and did things differently.
Speaker 2: That's why we were That's why we were the Nevada
Speaker 2: Nevadavana Nevana.
Speaker 6: We were the Nevana of pro wrestling. There's no different
Speaker 6: than Nirvana Nevana. When you know you have Martley Crue, Metallica,
Speaker 6: you know, all these hair bands that are just killing
Speaker 6: it in the eighties, and it didn't seem like anybody
Speaker 6: was going to take them down. Then Navana came in
Speaker 6: and just kicked down the door and said, nope, we're
Speaker 6: breaking the rules. We're gonna be sad, pissed off. We're
Speaker 6: gonna tell you how we feel. I mean, because you
Speaker 6: know when you when you look at that type of music,
Speaker 6: you're like, oh my god, I just I want to
Speaker 6: murder myself.
Speaker 2: I'm so sad, you.
Speaker 6: Know, and it's like, oh my god, it's that Seattle
Speaker 6: feel that they you know, that you always hear about.
Speaker 6: But you know, it was one of those things where
Speaker 6: when Havana did that, it just opened up.
Speaker 2: A whole new door for music.
Speaker 6: And it was what we did and we see W
Speaker 6: we kicked the door down and did the opposite of
Speaker 6: what should have been done right.
Speaker 2: But when we did it, we did it good and
Speaker 2: did it.
Speaker 1: Very entertaining and fun.
Speaker 2: Yep, So I forgot what the other question was.
Speaker 1: When you look back at your career, it doesn't even
Speaker 1: have to be in ECW, just matches that you've been
Speaker 1: a part of you. You were saying, like you look
Speaker 1: back sometimes and you say, oh my god, so cringe.
Speaker 1: I cringe when I think of that the worst, the
Speaker 1: worst thing, or the worst angle that you've been a
Speaker 1: part of. That you look back in your because there's
Speaker 1: things that I've done or clothes that I've worn that
Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed. I'm like, what was I thinking? Like where
Speaker 1: did this come from? Like this was such a bad choice.
Speaker 1: Anything that you've ever done that you look back and
Speaker 1: you're just like, oh my god.
Speaker 6: So yeah, t and a TNA match pay per view,
Speaker 6: the fish market, street fight.
Speaker 1: The fish market.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, they had fish line, they had fish on ice.
Speaker 6: Oh h and nothing to that. This has nothing to
Speaker 6: do with Curryman, who was Christopher Daniels and shock Boy.
Speaker 6: Loved those guys, love working with them. But I hated this.
Speaker 6: I don't like fish. I don't eat fish. I hate
Speaker 6: the smell of fish. And it's real fish on ice,
Speaker 6: like like you had a fish market, and of course
Speaker 6: you know people picking fish up and throwing it and
Speaker 6: hitting people with it. I remember looking at curry Man.
Speaker 6: I said, listen, do not hit me. Would a guy
Speaker 6: with a fish?
Speaker 2: I said, you do? It becomes real. Do not hit me.
Speaker 2: Do not hit me at all with a fish gimmick?
Speaker 1: Like, what's the point it was?
Speaker 2: Vince russo Enough said, I.
Speaker 1: Have never like does that make sense.
Speaker 2: To go to Well, it wasn't it?
Speaker 6: You had it was a regular match, But yeah, they
Speaker 6: go outside and take the fish and hit each other
Speaker 6: as a weapon. Now that was where the rules were, like,
Speaker 6: Oh it was It's like a street fight. There are
Speaker 6: no rules in a street fight. You can have a
Speaker 6: regular match, but you can use weapons.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: God, I would throw up.
Speaker 2: I threw out my wrestling gear. Oh it was that bad.
Speaker 1: What if somebody just picked up a fish and just
Speaker 1: smacked you across the face?
Speaker 2: Well, Curry and Curry Man Daniels a great but shock
Speaker 2: Boy forgot that. I said that to him. He got
Speaker 2: caught up in a moment and he took the fish.
Speaker 2: He hit me. As soon as he hit me, I went, potato, God,
Speaker 2: goddamn fish.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm gonna have to look that match
Speaker 1: up because I have never I've never even heard of
Speaker 1: that one.
Speaker 2: It was good. I hated that match to this day.
Speaker 2: I said it was the worst match because again I
Speaker 2: never liked it. And I remember telling I remember saying
Speaker 2: something to Russo. I said, we have to do this match. Oh, bro,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be good. It's gonna be good. Bro, it's
Speaker 2: gonna be good. I'm telling me, people gonna love it. Bro,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be great. And I'm like, you feel a ship.
Speaker 2: He goes no, bubbas. He goes bubbas, He goes Bubba's uh,
Speaker 2: Bubba's cool with it. I looked at Bubba, he goes.
Speaker 1: Bubba's face.
Speaker 2: I'm just like russo you're lying. I was like, this
Speaker 2: is a god awful, man.
Speaker 1: This How how many like big fish were there? Like?
Speaker 1: Did they have boxes of fish around the ring?
Speaker 4: Is that?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 6: You ever go you ever go to Chinatown or market?
Speaker 6: It was a fish market, you know, like the little trade.
Speaker 6: The big trays that they had they filled up with
Speaker 6: ice and then they put the fish on top.
Speaker 1: Okay, so it was just like one one.
Speaker 6: They had like a whole line of it. They had, yeah,
Speaker 6: and they had fish and all that on there.
Speaker 2: It was. It was bad. The smell was horrible.
Speaker 1: The fans like, I mean, did stars ship Nelson?
Speaker 2: He's never given me five stars and any of the
Speaker 2: man it gives.
Speaker 1: Me negative stars.
Speaker 2: Not even in the freaking TLC match. I think we
Speaker 2: got like two.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's terrible.
Speaker 2: But while people still talk about those matches today thirty
Speaker 2: something years were awesome. Still please but so, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know what his problem was.
Speaker 6: But you know, hey, it is what it is his
Speaker 6: own what well, you know, you. Two guys may see
Speaker 6: a wrestling match and love it, and I may hate it,
Speaker 6: but that doesn't mean that I'm gonna, you know, out
Speaker 6: of one to ten stars, I'm gonna go, okay, get
Speaker 6: to two. It may get it two for me, but
Speaker 6: not not not everybody else should you know, take it
Speaker 6: as you know, you know everybody else.
Speaker 2: Is gonna look at it. The two match.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just feel like I feel like back then
Speaker 1: e c W never got like not that it means
Speaker 1: anything but the rating system from him, but I feel
Speaker 1: like none of our guys got a lot of stars
Speaker 1: for the match.
Speaker 2: Well, I know a lot of our guys didn't like him.
Speaker 2: It was pissed off at him.
Speaker 6: But I also know that you're right, none of us
Speaker 6: got any of those stuff. But remember a lot of
Speaker 6: people thought e CW was barbaric, right, They didn't like ECW,
Speaker 6: even some of the veterans in WCW or WWE.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say that wwf Y.
Speaker 6: You know, basically did not know or understand what we
Speaker 6: were doing, and they would saying and a lot of
Speaker 6: them would say.
Speaker 2: What we were doing was garbage and this and that.
Speaker 6: Until the fans started catching on and watching and then
Speaker 6: showing their love and support, and you couldn't go to
Speaker 6: an arena that wasn't an ECW show, but it was
Speaker 6: like a w CW or WWE show where the fans
Speaker 6: would hijack the show and start channing Ecwright. You know,
Speaker 6: it was then that people's eyes started to wake up. So,
Speaker 6: you know, Nelson might not have believed in what we
Speaker 6: were doing, but that's fine. But again, what is it thirty.
Speaker 1: Thirty thirty forty?
Speaker 4: I feel like it makes me feel too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not quite close to it, but.
Speaker 2: People still talk about it. You know. It's it's all
Speaker 2: those things where it's unbelievable. Yeah, oh my, can we.
Speaker 1: Just can I just take this in right now? We're
Speaker 1: so the fish We're for those listening, Uh, we're watching
Speaker 1: the Fish Market Street Fight right now from two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight TNA Destination x So. Buba's going for a
Speaker 1: fish for Shark Boys. Shark Boy's going for a net
Speaker 1: to let y'all know. Oh, Buba's moving to the fish. Okay. Oh,
Speaker 1: shark Boy's got him in the net.
Speaker 2: Okay, No, that's a curry.
Speaker 1: Oh it's curryman. Oh I saw the Oh okay, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry I thought that was a fin on his head. Okay,
Speaker 1: so that's Christopher Daniels. Yes, oh yeah, now I see
Speaker 1: his eyes okay, good and yeah he's he's uh ah,
Speaker 1: he's dancing. Look at that. Yeah, curry man, I don't
Speaker 1: remember this gimmick dropping to the dish. I would die
Speaker 1: gross gross gross gross. That is disgusting.
Speaker 5: Far as far away could be away.
Speaker 6: From them, I don't think.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine you're so excited for a pay per view,
Speaker 1: You're a big TNA fan, you can't wait to see
Speaker 1: the Dudley's right, You buy a ticket, you're in the
Speaker 1: front row, you think you got good seats, and then
Speaker 1: they put a box of fish next to you and
Speaker 1: you gotta smell it for like twenty minutes. You gotta spell,
Speaker 1: which would linger probably for the next two hours because
Speaker 1: it stinks.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it sounds like it sounds like
Speaker 2: some of my earlier dates.
Speaker 1: But enough to travel Lodge, I want to get back.
Speaker 1: You were saying that like the that's looked at us
Speaker 1: as like the Flood and Guts company and too much
Speaker 1: and blah blah bluh. I remember we did a house
Speaker 1: show one night and we it was like a mixed tag.
Speaker 1: He did, right, And we were doing all these like
Speaker 1: cool spots and this and that, and I mean, we've
Speaker 1: probably had like maybe five hundred to one thousand people
Speaker 1: in the building. It was a house show. Terry Taylor
Speaker 1: was there just visiting, and we come through the curtain
Speaker 1: and he stops us and he looks at all of
Speaker 1: us and he says, why'd you work so hard? I'll
Speaker 1: never forget this. It blew my mind. And I said,
Speaker 1: excuse me, and he goes, why'd you just work so
Speaker 1: hard out there? It's a house show. I couldn't wrap
Speaker 1: my head around that reasoning, and I I said, point blank,
Speaker 1: I said, well, you know, I said, if we drew
Speaker 1: five hundred tonight, maybe they'll tell a friend and maybe
Speaker 1: next time we come, we'll have a thousand people. Because
Speaker 1: we work hard. That's what we do here. And he goes, well,
Speaker 1: he goes, when we do the we just do the
Speaker 1: same match in every city and it's easy and we
Speaker 1: save our energy for TV. See now you're laughing. I
Speaker 1: you know, and I wasn't a VET at this time.
Speaker 1: I'm still kind of green, so I didn't want to
Speaker 1: argue with the guy. But I'm thinking that kind of
Speaker 1: mentality is shit, Why would you do it that way?
Speaker 2: We did something. I didn't learn about that in terms
Speaker 2: of doing stuff like that until I got to WWE, right,
Speaker 2: because vets from the eighties were still there late eighties
Speaker 2: that is, and you know they had a lot of
Speaker 2: them had the same mentality because it was the old
Speaker 2: school way of thinking. So the new school way of.
Speaker 6: Thinking, like you were describing how you felt about it,
Speaker 6: it hadn't really registered yet.
Speaker 2: It was just that, you know, let's get out, let's
Speaker 2: get through this match and get to the next town
Speaker 2: and help you know, get the TV with no injuries.
Speaker 2: And that's just the way it was.
Speaker 6: Yeah, But as as a couple, you know, sometime went on,
Speaker 6: you know, some of the vets, you know, we would
Speaker 6: do somewhat similar the same match, but we would change
Speaker 6: a little bit off right, you know, to make it
Speaker 6: a little bit different because you never know who drove,
Speaker 6: you know, three four hundred miles to the next town,
Speaker 6: and you know, you don't want them predicting what we
Speaker 6: had already done in the town the night before. So
Speaker 6: you know, it was always we changed it up a
Speaker 6: little bit, not too much, just a little.
Speaker 1: Bit, but that's and that's fine because we we we
Speaker 1: would do like the same thing. We changed some spots
Speaker 1: here and there. But to say, why did you work
Speaker 1: so hard? To me, that's the first thing that came
Speaker 1: out of his mouth when we came in the back.
Speaker 1: Why'd you work so hard out there? And I'm thinking
Speaker 1: to myself, why wouldn't we work hard like they bought
Speaker 1: it to get, just like you would buy a ticket
Speaker 1: if it was a pay per viewer or a TV taming.
Speaker 6: I don't know if Terry Taylor would actually agree with
Speaker 6: that method now, being that he is one of the
Speaker 6: producers and NXT and I say that because you know,
Speaker 6: you got to teach these kids they have to work
Speaker 6: work hard for what they.
Speaker 2: Do, not just to get the TV.
Speaker 6: So I'm sure Terry Taylor is being a producer on
Speaker 6: the live events and this and that, I don't think
Speaker 6: he has that same mentality.
Speaker 2: Anymore, even though he's not wrestling.
Speaker 6: But again, I understand what he meant by that because
Speaker 6: that was the way they did things back then.
Speaker 2: Didn't make it necessarily make it right, yeah, but.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, necessarily make it wrong, but didn't necessarily make
Speaker 6: it right either. But that was just the way they
Speaker 6: were able to save their bodies, you know, because remember
Speaker 6: back then, being on the road for fifty days straight
Speaker 6: or forty to fifty days.
Speaker 2: Straight was normal.
Speaker 6: Yes, so they were home maybe three to four days,
Speaker 6: maybe a week if they were lucky. So you know,
Speaker 6: they were constantly traveling in out of cars, some airplanes
Speaker 6: and things like that. So they were really trying to
Speaker 6: conserve their body. Yeah, not really, but I definitely understand
Speaker 6: both ways. But I understand Terry's logic and thinking of it,
Speaker 6: and I definitely understand your way of lodge and thinking
Speaker 6: of it.
Speaker 1: Because that's what we did fifty five years ago when
Speaker 1: we were just starting sixty. We've been here for seven
Speaker 1: years since. Mc man. Any comments, Oh Man, did you
Speaker 1: hear about what's going on?
Speaker 2: I heard.
Speaker 6: I'm still shocked at a lot of stuff that I've
Speaker 6: read and heard.
Speaker 1: But you know, scene anything, scene, I.
Speaker 2: Never saw it.
Speaker 6: Now, even though it wasn't producer, I've never seen any
Speaker 6: foul play or anything like that. I wasn't the ones
Speaker 6: that if foul play was going on, I would have
Speaker 6: been done in front of me, you know, I was.
Speaker 2: I wasn't part of the system.
Speaker 6: And anyway way, shape or form if anything like that
Speaker 6: was going on, never legate allegedly.
Speaker 1: We don't know if it's true.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I have no idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're just do you think he's guilty?
Speaker 2: Again, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Sat get it out of every guest. I try to
Speaker 1: pull it. It's not there, it's not there.
Speaker 2: It's fine. Look, sometimes we could sit here and say.
Speaker 6: All day long that a person didn't do something swooping down.
Speaker 6: Then all of a sudden, some huge evidence or something
Speaker 6: happens where that person is found guilty without a shadow
Speaker 6: of a doubt, and they we're like, wait a minute,
Speaker 6: we would have never believed it in a million years,
Speaker 6: you know, And you know what happened. And there's some
Speaker 6: people that are, you know, presume guilty, and yet the
Speaker 6: evidence show that they weren't guilty. So you know, you
Speaker 6: gotta let it play out in court and see what
Speaker 6: the judge thinks. And I'm sure he's gonna be judged
Speaker 6: by you know, a good jury of his peers, and
Speaker 6: and you know whatever, I think it's holding off in Connecticut.
Speaker 6: You know, let them decide what they're going to do
Speaker 6: with it and go from there. I mean, well know,
Speaker 6: well know eventually whether it was true or not, and
Speaker 6: even whether the.
Speaker 2: Verdict is uh, guilty or not guilty.
Speaker 6: You know, you know, if he was found innocent, you know,
Speaker 6: there'd be a lot of people saying, I know he
Speaker 6: was guilty, he was guilty and this and that it's
Speaker 6: still bad and he was found guilty.
Speaker 2: I knew it. I know, you just never know.
Speaker 1: Very pc answer, it's fine.
Speaker 4: Mustache, Yeah, what do you think?
Speaker 1: Do you like it?
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not used to it. I'm used to
Speaker 2: clean shade vents. I've never seen him with a mustache
Speaker 2: or beard or go tea or anything.
Speaker 6: And when we first saw it, they kind of threw
Speaker 6: a lot of us off and we I think uh
Speaker 6: one of the other producers in the when I was
Speaker 6: working with we we were in the outside of the
Speaker 6: meeting and they would show me.
Speaker 2: I was like, what the hell? I said, who is that?
Speaker 2: And then like I was like, fucking mustag?
Speaker 1: Wow, travel ot story. Do you have one?
Speaker 2: I several?
Speaker 1: I know you have several. Do you have one that
Speaker 1: you can share that's funny off the top of your head.
Speaker 1: You don't have the name names. You can call them
Speaker 1: Larry melanchurly if you want not to put anybody in
Speaker 1: an awkward spot. I gotta have one that you could tell.
Speaker 2: Oh man, because I got.
Speaker 6: Besides me getting so drunk, you know, here it is.
Speaker 6: You know, I was, you know, a small kid from
Speaker 6: book They never really did anything.
Speaker 1: Never a small kid from Brooklyn.
Speaker 2: Small kid from Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: I don't put Devon Dudley and small in the same category.
Speaker 2: But okay, I didn't start gaining wait until it really
Speaker 2: after my fourth or fifty year in the wrestling and
Speaker 2: then when I got to E c W, because that's
Speaker 2: when I started taking, you know, taking training seriously.
Speaker 6: I should have took it seriously back when I was starting,
Speaker 6: but I didn't. I was just trying to learn how
Speaker 6: to wrestle.
Speaker 1: Right right. So tell me the story. You got so drunk.
Speaker 1: Where were we were?
Speaker 2: We somewhere we were We had the travel arget and
Speaker 2: we went that bar downstairs and I just remember not
Speaker 2: ever going out drinking like that ever. And I had
Speaker 2: to get carried out of the bar up to my room.
Speaker 2: At least I thought it was my room. Somebody put
Speaker 2: me somebody else in the room. So I pass out.
Speaker 2: I wake up and this guy goes, hey, Divine, I go,
Speaker 2: what the fuck. I go, Yeah, who the hell are you?
Speaker 2: Why are you in my room? He goes, Divine, you're
Speaker 2: in my room. I was like, it's like, who the
Speaker 2: hell are you? It was some fan.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: Like, you've been sitting here watching me sleep. He goes,
Speaker 2: I didn't want to wake you.
Speaker 1: Wait, wait a minute, who brought you up there? Did
Speaker 1: you ever find y'all?
Speaker 2: No, I don't got passed out.
Speaker 1: I wonder because it's funny because we were talking about
Speaker 1: this at dinner in Florida and Devon was like, man,
Speaker 1: he goes, when I came to ECW the first time,
Speaker 1: he goes, I was scared. He goes, I didn't do
Speaker 1: any of the stuff y'all were doing. I go, I
Speaker 1: didn't do it either, And I still didn't do it
Speaker 1: when I Yeah, we drank, but we weren't part of
Speaker 1: the drug crowd like our party and was going to
Speaker 1: the bar and having a couple of cocktails and stuff.
Speaker 1: But we you know, we weren't there snorting cocaine or
Speaker 1: doing lines off the stripper. I mean, I wasn't anyway.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 2: Know. I didn't know anything about bills nothing, right, I
Speaker 2: knew nothing about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was so cute. He's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: he goes. I looked around and I was just so scared,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah. But after a while, it
Speaker 1: just becomes like the norm. And you know, we were
Speaker 1: all friends, but everybody had the clicks that they hung
Speaker 1: out with.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 1: If you didn't do drugs, you didn't hang out with
Speaker 1: the drug people. But we once we were in the
Speaker 1: locker room, we all hung out together.
Speaker 2: I mean it was so it was really cool, like transtance.
Speaker 2: You know. A guy, some kid came over and looked
Speaker 2: at Sam and and said, is he all right?
Speaker 6: But I said, no, he's just drunk. He's probably sleeping.
Speaker 6: The guy goes, he's on next. I said, I don't
Speaker 6: worry about it. As soon as his music hit, somebody
Speaker 6: that's happened, and he'll get right up.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's great. Yeah, And that's what's great about it. Do
Speaker 1: you remember the night that Tammy started the fight with
Speaker 1: the Mummers. You had to have been there, you had
Speaker 1: to have been in it. She went outside in the
Speaker 1: back in the parking lot, you know, out the back door.
Speaker 1: Remember the Mummers were on top of where we were,
Speaker 1: on top of the arena, and she said something to
Speaker 1: one of the mummers, and I think one of the
Speaker 1: mummers called her a slut or something, and she caused
Speaker 1: a riot that night. And I swear you and Bubba
Speaker 1: were there and everybody ran out the door and started
Speaker 1: fighting the mummers.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think I was there.
Speaker 1: I swear you were there.
Speaker 2: If he gave me a year, because remember we left,
Speaker 2: we left in ninety nine.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the year was. I swear you
Speaker 1: were in there. Knew Jack was was like shanking people,
Speaker 1: probably like it was a mess. But there were three
Speaker 1: people who didn't go outside, me Shane Douglas and Hack
Speaker 1: Sandman and Sandman Status he was doing lines of coke. Well,
Speaker 1: everybody was fighting, and Man Shane were looking out the
Speaker 1: window watching the fight. But everybody because Tammy started this fight,
Speaker 1: and I sware you were in it.
Speaker 2: Yes, you guys were in it. I don't think we
Speaker 2: were there for that one.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna have to ask if he remembers that,
Speaker 1: because I vividly do. And the whole locker room poured
Speaker 1: out and just everybody was fighting in the parking lot.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't remember ever having getting into a fight
Speaker 6: and at the ECW Arena.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 6: I mean other places I remember getting into fights like
Speaker 6: Staten Island or you know, a lost Battalion hall in Queens,
Speaker 6: but I don't remember getting a fight at the DCW
Speaker 6: arena with fans.
Speaker 1: The fight the fights that you got in, was it
Speaker 1: because of the promos that you and and Bubba you know, dictated,
Speaker 1: because some of those were really.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the one in Staten Island was really raunchy and
Speaker 6: bad and if you could believe it, it even beat
Speaker 6: the heat Waved ninety nine one, and you know the
Speaker 6: one that we're most famous for. And somebody took a
Speaker 6: swipe at Big Dick Dudley.
Speaker 2: Why they do that?
Speaker 6: He jumped the railing and went after the guy and
Speaker 6: next thing you know, me and Bubba goes deevint, we
Speaker 6: gotta go, we gotta go. I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 6: And I remember jumped the railing.
Speaker 2: I went out to go. People are jumping on us,
Speaker 2: swinging on us. So Bubba goes devon, he goes assume
Speaker 2: the position. I was like, here we go. We turned
Speaker 2: to the ball, we talked about the balls. Boom.
Speaker 6: It was like a brawdroom fight with freaking Patrick Swayze
Speaker 6: and Roadhouse, all the people that it was freaking phenomenal,
Speaker 6: and then all of a sudden, the riot cops came
Speaker 6: with the dogs and I was like, all right, stop
Speaker 6: this ship, go back in the ring.
Speaker 1: The riot cops came with the dogs, and the locker
Speaker 1: room fled because how many people had on the crazy
Speaker 1: Do you want to plug your socials or any appearances
Speaker 1: that you have coming up?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be in Ohio and god.
Speaker 1: Lockwood, Chicka Cop. I'm there to this weekend. But this
Speaker 1: airs after this weekend. Are you there Saturday?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm there too.
Speaker 1: I'll see you. Oh yeah, I'm gonna be there too.
Speaker 6: Yeah about being Chilicoppy Ohio and doing all of that
Speaker 6: good stuff. And I'll also be at the big event
Speaker 6: in Long Island me too, coming up.
Speaker 2: Yep, I'll be there for that one.
Speaker 1: Uh and then the big one Wrestle Con weekend.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's weekend. I'll be there for that.
Speaker 1: One and Icons and and Battleground at the area double duty.
Speaker 1: I get to see Devon. I'm so excited. I'll see
Speaker 1: you so many times.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, this is awesome.
Speaker 1: I'm happy. Well, I appreciate you coming. Devon's two timer. Now,
Speaker 1: we were aiming for the five time Club. I have
Speaker 1: guess this is your No, you're not a two timer, Taylor.
Speaker 1: He's not a two tim uh No, like I think
Speaker 1: Shane Douglas. Shane, I think is the first one to
Speaker 1: be in the five time Club on Saturday Night Live.
Speaker 1: Did you ever see it with Steve Morton? He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm a five timer. They do that. They have a
Speaker 1: VIP layer. So you're a two timer. So you have
Speaker 1: to come on three more times to be in my club.
Speaker 2: I'll be good to go, where to go whenever you want.
Speaker 1: I love you, buddy. Well, thank you for coming on again.
Speaker 1: I was so happy to see you a couple months ago.
Speaker 1: We'll do it again when we can. But well, let's
Speaker 1: hang you out this weekend. Coming up, I'm sorry, we'll
Speaker 1: hang you out this weekend.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely sweet. I just gotta get me a
Speaker 2: nice steak and I'll be good to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe we can do dinner. Are you on the
Speaker 1: night show too, because I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm just sniging. We're not in chilli coffee.
Speaker 1: Oh you have a you have a you're driving somewhere else.
Speaker 2: No, no about chilli coffee.
Speaker 1: Yeah, chilli coffee.
Speaker 2: Oh there's a night show.
Speaker 1: There's a night show.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They put me on the poster and they were like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's doing the night show. I go, I am not
Speaker 1: no way. And I think they thought because I was there,
Speaker 1: I would just graciously just do it for free.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I was like, no, I don't know. That's not happening.
Speaker 1: So after I sign them off, so maybe we can
Speaker 1: do dinner or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1: Let's get all well, I'll see you there.
Speaker 2: You got.
Speaker 1: Was always open for you though. All right, everybody, Devon
Speaker 1: go follow him, go go buy Yes, there you go.
Speaker 1: All right, buddy, I'll talk to you too.
Speaker 2: Bye.
Speaker 1: So fun.
Speaker 3: Divon testified they were some they were some good stories
Speaker 3: from Dalner.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, yeah, this was.
Speaker 1: This was really good. I was happy to see him again.
Speaker 1: Like I said, we we reminisced at dinner. Those I mean,
Speaker 1: if those wolves can talk, we were. We were just
Speaker 1: telling stories and we were popping each other because things
Speaker 1: that I didn't remember, things that he didn't remember. And
Speaker 1: eighty seven years went by and it was like it
Speaker 1: was yesterday. So it was great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's awesome about Devon and I'm sure fans that
Speaker 3: listened to this met him in person. The intensity that
Speaker 3: he has on air complete opposite when he when.
Speaker 4: He's so awesome to listen to.
Speaker 3: He's so chill, hang it out, and he's he's laughing,
Speaker 3: you know, like so yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1: He's great.
Speaker 2: He's great.
Speaker 1: I'm glad he came back on. That was a good one.
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Speaker 3: Oh okay, yes, because of the my notification set up,
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. Well, do you have anything that Oh
Speaker 1: we forgot to ask him about Paul Haman.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. Well we'll just have to take care
Speaker 4: of that ourselves.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so Paul Haman real quickly getting inducted to
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame Class of twenty twenty four for WWE.
Speaker 1: I put something up thanking him one the Twitter machine
Speaker 1: or X as it's called now. He didn't reply, but
Speaker 1: that's okay, no worries about that. But just you know,
Speaker 1: without him, I wouldn't be sitting here. So well deserved.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he goes back longer than ECW.
Speaker 1: He's been around w CW days, started as a photographer
Speaker 1: as a kid. I mean, he's been around for quite
Speaker 1: some time. Fantastic as a manager, mouthpiece, performer, but even
Speaker 1: better as a booker and boss and creator of Extreme
Speaker 1: Championship Wrestling. So I think it's well deserved, and I think,
Speaker 1: you know, usually I guess they would wait until maybe
Speaker 1: he's done performing, but because it was Philadelphia, I feel
Speaker 1: like it was the right I guess it's the right
Speaker 1: time to do it. Now, the question that everybody is
Speaker 1: asking is who's going to induct him?
Speaker 4: Well, one guy was taken out.
Speaker 1: Of Well, my first my first thought, when you know
Speaker 1: months ago, would have been Brock Lesnar, but he's kind
Speaker 1: of like, uh am, I A, now he's kind of missing.
Speaker 1: So you know, who do you think that's the nod here?
Speaker 3: It's a damn good question. I mean, I've seen some
Speaker 3: names thrown around. I have to say, you'd probably have
Speaker 3: to go with Roman at this point. I think you
Speaker 3: elevated Roman to such a higher point as a heel,
Speaker 3: and they've been so closely associated.
Speaker 4: To the current fan base for the last three years.
Speaker 4: I would say would make sense because.
Speaker 3: Of that butt you're in Philly, So does it make
Speaker 3: more sense to go with a more ECW centric name.
Speaker 3: I saw somebody suggest RVD. I saw somebody suggest Tommy.
Speaker 4: Dreamer, so.
Speaker 3: I saw Harry Slash earlier before we started. So, I
Speaker 3: mean there's a ton of speculation between now and then.
Speaker 4: Will be massive.
Speaker 3: I'm sure, yeah, But you know, the guy who everybody
Speaker 3: would have pegged would have absolutely been Brock. But also
Speaker 3: don't discount see him Punk because them Punk would be
Speaker 3: the name. I think that would make every side happy.
Speaker 3: I think the ECW fan would be happy with that,
Speaker 3: and I think the WWE fan would be happy with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see who they go.
Speaker 1: With rumors circulating, again, only rumors, and I think it's
Speaker 1: fan made rumors that ECW collectively as a group is
Speaker 1: going to be put into the Hall of Fame and
Speaker 1: they're gonna pluck four or five of us to go
Speaker 1: up there. I don't see that happening, but I could
Speaker 1: be one hundred percent wrong. Who knows. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It is Philly. They're looking for that cheap pop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you never know what they have up their sleeve.
Speaker 1: But again, very happy for Paul, well deserved. He's a
Speaker 1: mastermind at the sport of professional wrestling. He knows exactly
Speaker 1: what he's doing. He always has and he always will.
Speaker 1: So congrats Paul. Happy for him.
Speaker 3: How about the fact that, you know, I just noticed
Speaker 3: that we talked about obviously the WWE two K two
Speaker 3: four game, right, the Sandman is actually a downloadable character.
Speaker 5: Right, So Sandman is low key kind of in the
Speaker 5: good graces.
Speaker 3: If he knows that, I wonder he's on the commercial
Speaker 3: like he's in the game.
Speaker 4: He's one of the characters you can download.
Speaker 3: Imagine if they picked Sammy Yeah to be the one yeah, Philly.
Speaker 3: Imagine the bleep they'd have to have ready, they'd have
Speaker 3: the finger on the button to be one long bleepntes.
Speaker 1: He would have to get somebody to write a speech.
Speaker 1: You know, because I always say this about Hacks. He's
Speaker 1: a smart guy, but he's not very articulate. And his
Speaker 1: text message is prove it. It's like a fourth grader's
Speaker 1: texting me. He doesn't spell the words. He shortcuts everything
Speaker 1: and doesn't use capitalization, punctuation.
Speaker 4: Doesn't doesn't needed to make a point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when is his Dark Side one? Do we know
Speaker 1: a date?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: The only one I saw the first one airing was
Speaker 3: John Tenta.
Speaker 1: And when is that? Did it start already?
Speaker 3: That is technically in real time? Tuesday, March fifth, that
Speaker 3: was the first episode. Yeah, so I don't know when
Speaker 3: today his episode is correct?
Speaker 1: Okay, I sent my DVR so I don't miss his
Speaker 1: episode because I really there's a couple I want to watch.
Speaker 1: I want to watch him. I want to watch Sherry Cherry.
Speaker 3: I forgot they were even doing Sherry. That is when
Speaker 3: we absolutely have to talk.
Speaker 1: Definitely want to because I love her and I want
Speaker 1: to watch hers. And there there's a couple in there
Speaker 1: that I'm interested in, but Hacks number one for me.
Speaker 1: So I'll try to find out some more info this week.
Speaker 3: And like I said, right now, I found the list.
Speaker 3: This is what they've released so far. John tent To
Speaker 3: week one, Buff bag Well week two, Terry Gordie week three,
Speaker 3: and Brutus Beefcake week four.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we have a month before Hackey comes on.
Speaker 1: All right, good again, I'll talk to him this weekend
Speaker 1: so I'll see what's going on. But uh, sounds good.
Speaker 1: I'll give me something to watch. I like it. Yeah,
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