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Speaker 1: All right, guys, some big breaking news this morning, a

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Speaker 1: what this means for Washington. And it's particularly noteworthy because

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Speaker 1: they've been floating that they might use to like all

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Speaker 1: do have her statement here that I can read for everyone.

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Speaker 1: Quote in a natural extension of my service since I

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Speaker 1: of Arizonas rejecting party politics by declaring my independence from

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Speaker 1: the broken partisan system in Washington, formerly registering as an

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Speaker 1: Arizona Independent. Over the past four years, I've worked proudly

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Speaker 1: with other senators in both parties, enforced consensus on successful laws.

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Speaker 1: Becoming an independent won't change my work in the Senate.

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Speaker 1: My service to Arizona remains the same. And she also

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Speaker 1: reiterated that in her interview with Politico, where she announced

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Speaker 1: this quote, I do not anticipate anything will change about

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Speaker 1: I just intend to show up to work as an independent.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious what your thoughts are on the political strategy

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Speaker 1: will I have many thoughts. I have many shots. Go ahead,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, Okay, So, first of all, I want to

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Speaker 1: what's wrong with being an independent? Isn't that great to

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Speaker 1: not be beholden to partisan politics. Let me just say

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Speaker 1: that Kirson Cinema has never since she's been in the Senate,

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Speaker 1: with independence. Just to give you a few key examples

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Speaker 1: also in terms of lowering prescription drug prices, she has

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Speaker 1: this is all about Kirsten Cinema making a cynical political maneuver.

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, Sagar, and you tell me if

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Speaker 1: that's that is precisely her calculation here. Now I would

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Speaker 1: coming to you live from my home office. Forgive the Beard.

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Speaker 1: Just came off of a tour on the road with Crystal.

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Speaker 1: video to the second installment of the Twitter files. Gonna

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Speaker 1: do my best here, so let's start with the files themselves,

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Speaker 1: just released by Barry Weiss and her team over at

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Speaker 1: the Free Press and the Big Tykeway. Well, it turns

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Speaker 1: out shadow banning on Twitter was not only completely real,

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Speaker 1: Trust and Safety. Okay, let's actually go through some of

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Speaker 1: the specific examples that was released by Barry Weiss. First

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