Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this nine trend eleven
Speaker 1: nine trend yeah episode, long weekend trending episode.
Speaker 2: I am yeah, that is Miles. Oh yeah, oh yeah
Speaker 2: nine to eleven? Which nine eleven are we talking about?
Speaker 2: Were talking about nine to eleven here or the other
Speaker 2: nine to eleven when America helped Chile overthrow a Yen
Speaker 2: Day because I was also at nine to eleven.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're not familiar with that one here, Miles.
Speaker 1: We never look at the Americans like guys, I thought
Speaker 1: you were gonna ask for were talking about how this
Speaker 1: weekend was a nine to eleven for Martin Short fans.
Speaker 2: Because it was I didn't even know until Anna sent
Speaker 2: this tweet through our thread.
Speaker 3: Yeah what was the tweet?
Speaker 2: It said, I will never It says when when they
Speaker 2: say white people have no culture, I will remember the
Speaker 2: day they mounted up from Martin Short.
Speaker 3: That is from YC on dot com.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's not It's a fucking tweet Twitter
Speaker 1: on Twitter, Twitter, bather, I am not bothered about Martin
Speaker 1: Short one way or the other. I feel like me
Speaker 1: is cilantro. I treated this discussion like like I do
Speaker 1: any Internet controversy, controversy where where it's like, yeah, like
Speaker 1: I can see how this could be distasteful to some people,
Speaker 1: tastes like soap to you.
Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah, that sounds terrible. I don't. I don't
Speaker 2: fuck with that. On the other hand, I don't think
Speaker 2: it's like that that big a deal. I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't want him to stop.
Speaker 1: Some of the tone of the weekend felt like he's
Speaker 1: he's been canceled. He's like there there must be implications
Speaker 1: that he's a shitty person or something. It really feels
Speaker 1: like the whole thing is just somebody being like, this
Speaker 1: guy's not funny, right.
Speaker 2: Like right, and absolutely everyone's like he is. Blair Sack,
Speaker 2: even mount Roll just say, what did Blair say?
Speaker 4: An enemy of Martin Short is an enemy of mine?
Speaker 2: Damn. Also, Sarah Sarah Sherman aka Sarah Squirm also put
Speaker 2: the disrespect Martin Short all day, every day till I
Speaker 2: fucking die hashtag Clifford.
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, I feel like people who are
Speaker 1: in comedy like there's gonna be respect on Martin Short disagree.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's been around for so long, he's had,
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of iconic roles. I'm I just
Speaker 2: I'm like one of those people where I get why
Speaker 2: some people might be tired of him or whatever.
Speaker 3: That's your own personal taste.
Speaker 2: Like, when I think of the things that I've been
Speaker 2: I've enjoyed the most for Martin Short has been Jimmy Glick, Yes,
Speaker 2: but also.
Speaker 3: Like you know, Clifford was cool too.
Speaker 2: There's like, I don't know, I think it's also kind
Speaker 2: of those things where like he really resonates with you
Speaker 2: when you're younger. Yoh, she kind of like has that
Speaker 2: energy of like kids comedian.
Speaker 3: But does it very well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's I really liked some moments from Jimmy Glick,
Speaker 1: and I really like the Harry Shearer Martin Short sketch
Speaker 1: about synchronized swimmers who like can actually swim.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's just very funny to me.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyways, uh so sorry to the people who getting their
Speaker 2: fucking yum yucked the fuck out and they're like, absolutely not.
Speaker 2: We will ride for this Canadian all right, what do
Speaker 2: we want to do first? We want to do our
Speaker 2: underrated or overrated.
Speaker 3: Let's do unders because I think our over is overlap.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, My under is the confidence of a
Speaker 1: mediocre boomer white man. I just opened volume three issue
Speaker 1: nine of Boston Brick and Stone Newsletter.
Speaker 2: H do you remember this from the pandemic?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: There, there's this guy has.
Speaker 1: A chimney construction company and he has used his money
Speaker 1: to create a small five page zine where he waxes
Speaker 1: philosophical on life and just like writes the most basic
Speaker 1: opinions like so let me just the front The front
Speaker 1: page story from this edition is basically that he just
Speaker 1: watched the movie Cheer or watched the Netflix show Cheer
Speaker 1: and thinks that Monica is cool. Like, that's basically it.
Speaker 1: He titles it, if you want to become great at something,
Speaker 1: do this. But his whole thing is just like practice
Speaker 1: makes perfect.
Speaker 3: Wait, where do you find this.
Speaker 2: In the mail? It just comes to my mailbox every day?
Speaker 1: So get Wow, Boston Brickingstone Newsletter, front page, if you
Speaker 1: want to become great at something, do this, And he
Speaker 1: connects the cheer team winning the championship year after year
Speaker 1: with his the philosophy at Boston Brick and Stone.
Speaker 3: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: But then page two Florida Man, the Unpredictable phenomenon. It's
Speaker 1: just you just found out about Florida Man.
Speaker 2: Oh, just being like, how can we always hear about
Speaker 2: these Florida man types. It's just the most basic ass
Speaker 2: shit is he reading?
Speaker 3: He cracked like nine years later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a very poor man's version of It's
Speaker 1: like if any random dad was like, I'm going to
Speaker 1: make a website, but he publishes it and sends it
Speaker 1: and like puts it in and he's in Pasadena, So
Speaker 1: I'm not that close to Pasadena. So this is reaching
Speaker 1: a wide swath of people just with.
Speaker 3: You holding it up.
Speaker 2: That quote unquote zine has the vibes of like Lyndon
Speaker 2: LaRouche like newspapers that they would throw a chew on
Speaker 2: college campuses.
Speaker 3: It just seems like what's in there, I don't even know.
Speaker 1: Stupid caveman trivia, unusual things you can make with a blender,
Speaker 1: tiki bars, last chance to get a summer cocktail, and
Speaker 1: this is all just written by him.
Speaker 2: He's not a good writer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's just an amazing testament to the ego
Speaker 1: of this fading generation that will not let go of power.
Speaker 1: And it's just like, yeah, no, everybody needs to hear
Speaker 1: what I think.
Speaker 2: I'm yeah right, as this person inevitably is like grappling
Speaker 2: with their own mortality. They're like, this is what I
Speaker 2: need to do. I need to ramp my output of
Speaker 2: my words to share that with the world.
Speaker 1: Boston Brick and Stone newsletter is going to be my legacy.
Speaker 1: I just had a feeling that God told me that
Speaker 1: I had to add something important to do.
Speaker 2: Feel he's driving crooner right right right. I have a
Speaker 2: feeling your legacy will probably be the chimneys that you restore,
Speaker 2: that will probably be standing long after for your physical
Speaker 2: body has expired. Aask a long time man, just be proud,
Speaker 2: be proud of your chimneys. Bro. Yeah, exactly, that's enough.
Speaker 2: What's your underrated, underrated goddamn fucking museum gift shop? Because
Speaker 2: I'm like, what, man, dude, some they somehow have the
Speaker 2: best version of the gift shop scam, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean of? Like this' is probably why Banks he
Speaker 2: mentioned it in his work, like exit through the gift shop.
Speaker 2: Like normally, when I'm forced through a gift shop at
Speaker 2: the end of like visiting a place or seeing something
Speaker 2: very interesting, like when you visit like a historical site
Speaker 2: or some shit, it's easy to be like to walk
Speaker 2: through there and be like I don't need a fuck
Speaker 2: I don't need coasters with a Catholic church on it
Speaker 2: for fucking thirty dollars. I'm don'na fucking need this. I
Speaker 2: don't need a T shirt that says whatever the fuck
Speaker 2: it is. But somehow, when you go to a museum
Speaker 2: gift shop and suddenly you're like, I guess I can
Speaker 2: pay sixty dollars for this T shirt because it has
Speaker 2: Basquiat art on its. We like it's almost like this
Speaker 2: store is sort of like you know that this is
Speaker 2: like fine art Chotski's right, and you're not dumb and
Speaker 2: fucking not cultured, so you should overpay for this baby Onesie,
Speaker 2: and it.
Speaker 3: Will tell people that you know what Keith Herring is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like a it's like an NPR tote. Yeah,
Speaker 2: baby Onesie.
Speaker 3: But like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Why you it's.
Speaker 2: Intoxicating the museum the art, specifically an art museum, because
Speaker 2: you're like, this is a high minded calendar. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: they also have free reign to pull.
Speaker 1: Instead of like just pulling clip art from the Internet,
Speaker 1: they are pulling from.
Speaker 2: Like the greatest art ever created. Yeah, and they probably have.
Speaker 1: Like good design minds like we're doing at the at
Speaker 1: the gift shop. So yeah, they they they have some
Speaker 1: good merch man.
Speaker 2: They're just like and I think it's just a part
Speaker 2: of me that like suddenly but it's just like weird
Speaker 2: how my brain shuts off where I'm like, this is
Speaker 2: all worth exactly what they say they are merely because
Speaker 2: it's like everything. Yeah yeah, yeah, like I bought I
Speaker 2: went to the road to see the Keith Harring exhibit
Speaker 2: and went with her Majesty and the Geist child and like,
Speaker 2: as a kid, my dad, you know, like always rocked
Speaker 2: like Keith Haring, like apartheid commentary kind of shirts and things,
Speaker 2: and I would like wear that as a kid, So
Speaker 2: there was something nostalgic about me taking the baby there
Speaker 2: and like you know, aiming him at the art, even
Speaker 2: though he's like what the fuck is he got it? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're gonna get to the cultural appropriation part that isn't
Speaker 2: actually discussed in this exhibit, but we will save that
Speaker 2: for another time, right, But like it was, I don't
Speaker 2: know then immediately my defenses were just completely down, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, you need this onesie and I need the
Speaker 2: matching shirt that you won't fit into quite yet because
Speaker 2: you're still tiny, but we will put this on ice
Speaker 2: so then we could walk the earth together, proclaiming our.
Speaker 3: Love for art.
Speaker 2: So amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they know they've done it. They've done it.
Speaker 2: They have all right.
Speaker 1: Well, similarly, so for my overrated I similarly had a
Speaker 1: weekend of culture with my kids. We watched so my
Speaker 1: son is like really into navel stuff.
Speaker 2: Now this is the Star Wars one.
Speaker 1: My seven year old was really into Star Wars. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's like the nautical terminology in Star
Speaker 1: Wars or what, but he's like, now, just like Friday
Speaker 1: is movie night, and he's like, I want to watch
Speaker 1: a military movie.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh no, And I was thinking about Top Gun,
Speaker 4: but it felt like I don't want to give my
Speaker 4: son's heart and mind to the military just yet.
Speaker 3: Because in your mind it's instant. It's instant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh it's so good, Like that is just the
Speaker 1: most potent cocktail that the military has concocted. And so
Speaker 1: I was searching and I found this movie Tiger Cruise,
Speaker 1: which seemed like a straightforward kids movie taking place aboard
Speaker 1: aircraft carre and the it's a Disney movie, right, like
Speaker 1: a Disney Channel movie, not a Disney like a Disney
Speaker 1: chant like a made for Disney Channel movie starring Bill
Speaker 1: Pullman and Hate Him Penitiary, Okay, And I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: this is good, Like it seems silly in a way
Speaker 1: that they're going to appreciate. I think aircraft terrors are
Speaker 1: are inherently interesting, like how they fit everything in there.
Speaker 2: They're fucking so big man whenever you see them, like
Speaker 2: put the the fucking killer machines below the deck and stuff,
Speaker 2: and how they organize it underneath you.
Speaker 3: Like, holy shit, yes it's crazy. I get why we
Speaker 3: don't have healthcare. There's a good.
Speaker 1: Paragraph in or a good chapter in U Ministry for
Speaker 1: the Future. It's just a one off where it's like
Speaker 1: somebody who is a naval veteran and is like talking
Speaker 1: about how if you just like put the organization the
Speaker 1: amount of like time and effort and focus and you know,
Speaker 1: just cracker jack like people running things well towards a
Speaker 1: good cause as opposed to war, like, you could really
Speaker 1: do some amazing shit. Anyways, So starts the standard Disney
Speaker 1: Channel movie. You know, they like get into hijinks. Hate
Speaker 1: Him Pennetiary the protagonists. Her entire conflict seems to be
Speaker 1: that she can't get past the phrase military brat, Like
Speaker 1: someone calls her a military brat and she's like, I'm
Speaker 1: not a brat, and instead of the person being like,
Speaker 1: oh no, it's just a phrase, she's like that is
Speaker 1: her central character. And there's a couple other There's like
Speaker 1: a drummer from New York. There's a dad who whose
Speaker 1: son is a sailor.
Speaker 2: But when he gets there, he finds out that he
Speaker 2: is actually a cook, and he's like ashamed.
Speaker 1: But they just like sneak off. They get into hijinks.
Speaker 1: Ten minutes in the day is over? Wait to the
Speaker 1: last ten minutes? Yeah, I mean like probably that's probably
Speaker 1: like twenty minutes in you know seven.
Speaker 3: Oh I okay, okay, go on, go on.
Speaker 2: So I mean I I'm compressing a lot in but like,
Speaker 2: but it's not like a third act moment no no, no, no,
Speaker 2: which is twenty minutes in.
Speaker 1: They cut to black, end of the day and they
Speaker 1: say September ninth, two thousand and one, and over the
Speaker 1: next hour, I watched nine to eleven happen with my
Speaker 1: five year old and seven year old who did.
Speaker 2: Not know what nine to eleven was, uh, like right
Speaker 2: at all?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I don't know, I had that thought earlier
Speaker 1: in parenthood, where I was like, how do I tell
Speaker 1: my kids about nine to eleven? And I was I
Speaker 1: hadn't come up with a good answer for that, so
Speaker 1: I was like, the Disney Channel is going to do it.
Speaker 1: And it was like that you see you don't see
Speaker 1: like the towers like come down. You just see like
Speaker 1: people are watching the news on the aircraft towers though,
Speaker 1: but people are crying. You're seeing a lot of smoking towers.
Speaker 1: My son asked how the guys who flew the plane
Speaker 1: into the building jumped off in time?
Speaker 3: Oh, oh, I know, Okay, let's let's it's time to
Speaker 3: talk about martyrdom.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: It really just took me back to I don't know
Speaker 1: the movie, Like there's this one scene where Hayden Pennjerry
Speaker 1: is like, uh, why do you keep watching this stuff?
Speaker 2: It's so depressing to the kid from New York.
Speaker 1: He's like watching the news and she's like, what do
Speaker 1: you keep How can you keep watching it?
Speaker 2: I just like find it such a bummer. The day
Speaker 2: after nine to eleven.
Speaker 1: He's still like watching the news and he's like, some
Speaker 1: of the people in my neighborhood worked in that building, right, girl?
Speaker 2: I knows dad was a firefighter. But then he like
Speaker 2: has the speech where he like, those towers they were
Speaker 2: just this is a direct one. They were just there.
Speaker 1: You know, I never got tired of looking at them.
Speaker 1: They were so big and cool at that part. The
Speaker 1: way the sun would reflect off of them. It's going
Speaker 1: to be so different. It's just not the same anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just it reminded me of this
Speaker 1: like weird thing that we were in are still kind
Speaker 1: of in, where like we're just very like dumb when
Speaker 1: trying to like write about nine to eleven, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: haven't had like a very poignant commentary artistic commentary on
Speaker 1: nine to eleven. I guess, like you know, United ninety three.
Speaker 1: There's obviously that Mark Wahlberg Tonight Show interview where he
Speaker 1: talked about how it would have gone down different if
Speaker 1: he had been on the phone. Hell yeah, I would
Speaker 1: have bro But I still think the best nine to
Speaker 1: eleven culture is Tobias interested development when he's like talking
Speaker 1: about how his marriage is on the rocks, and Michael's
Speaker 1: like when did that start?
Speaker 2: And he says, I don't want to blame it all
Speaker 2: on nine to eleven, but it's yeah, right, no help.
Speaker 1: I think that's the best thing I've seen about nine
Speaker 1: to eleven because it's like it captures the deep core
Speaker 1: truth of nine to eleven, which was that everyone was
Speaker 1: like trying to get a piece to like adopt it
Speaker 1: as their own problem, and everyone kind of wanted to
Speaker 1: be a nine to eleven victim, and we were like
Speaker 1: clamoring for stories about people who were like almost on
Speaker 1: the plane.
Speaker 2: I hadn't realized. Like the Mark Wahlberg.
Speaker 1: Thing was him saying, like, I was almost on that
Speaker 1: plane that morning.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 3: It was like I was supposed to be.
Speaker 2: Flying back to LA but I flight private, so it
Speaker 2: wouldn't actually have happened, but I could have been then
Speaker 2: four weeks before we decided to go to Tiff instead.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we were just.
Speaker 1: We really, I don't know, wanted to experience the tragedy.
Speaker 1: We were like kind of glorying in the tragedy a
Speaker 1: little bit. And then obviously, like the darkest cultural legacy
Speaker 1: was shows like twenty four and you know, so many
Speaker 1: action movies and TV shows where it was just like
Speaker 1: being a brown person was automatically grounds for you are
Speaker 1: a terrorist suspect.
Speaker 2: Right, So I don't know it's just I was, well,
Speaker 2: when I saw you write about this, I immediately went
Speaker 2: on YouTube and just searched Tiger Cruz nine to eleven scene,
Speaker 2: and I couldn't believe, like I found myself in your
Speaker 2: position where it's like they're all sleeping. Sudden it's like
Speaker 2: like across the battleship and it's like frantic as shit,
Speaker 2: and then Bill Pullman gives this speech about the attacks.
Speaker 2: Everyone's sobbing, and I was like, this is probably the
Speaker 2: opposite of what you even wanted to even watch with
Speaker 2: your kids, because it's not even just acting like and
Speaker 2: then nine to eleven happened.
Speaker 3: It's like, no, this fucking movie's about nine to eleven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it becomes about like after being a straight up
Speaker 1: it's almost like a piece of experimental art where they
Speaker 1: just like sheered a Disney movie in half and just
Speaker 1: had nine to eleven happen in the middle of it.
Speaker 1: And I mean, yeah, true story where where they like
Speaker 1: the Tiger Cruise the real thing where like family members
Speaker 1: come and like stay on a aircraft carrier and like
Speaker 1: while that was happening, nine to eleven happened and they
Speaker 1: had to figure out what to do with the family members,
Speaker 1: but they just yeah, yeah, it.
Speaker 2: Is also funny too that one the one guy who's
Speaker 2: like the chef on this ship, like his dad comes
Speaker 2: down like it's nine eleven you're making cookies, Like it's
Speaker 2: like shaming back from making cookies.
Speaker 3: And then he's, wait, our uncle works in the Pentagon.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's doesn't make it bro the spoiler alert. Unfortunately, Well,
Speaker 1: uncle uncle Bob or whatever his name is, Uncle Bob,
Speaker 1: the only person that we meet who doesn't survive nine
Speaker 1: to eleven is like a tangential uncle of a guy
Speaker 1: who's a problematic asshole.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, I mean I remember too.
Speaker 2: Like to that point, like I felt like every reality
Speaker 2: show that was about like improving someone's life, like like
Speaker 2: an undercover boss or like home makeover type shows, there
Speaker 2: was all like they they would prioritize people that had
Speaker 2: some connection to nine to.
Speaker 1: Eleven, Like Brian by the way, was saying that, like
Speaker 1: I should have checked common sense media for that.
Speaker 3: All.
Speaker 1: All the descriptions of this movie were like fun, family, fun, patriotic,
Speaker 1: was the was the only thing nine eleven.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was starting starting to like google around nine to
Speaker 1: eleven movies and be like what what do we had
Speaker 1: and that is a description like that comes up. It's
Speaker 1: like nine to eleven like this one is a trenchant
Speaker 1: meditation on loss, patriotic like that for whatever reason, like
Speaker 1: when it when it comes to nine to eleven movies,
Speaker 1: it's that that becomes a value that we keep in
Speaker 1: mind when when we're reviewing.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I feel like someone hit us up. They're like,
Speaker 3: we do we do TV reviews on our website.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally. I need to. I need to check
Speaker 2: out their website. I'm gonna check it at my screen
Speaker 2: time too. Like again, I don't know if it's I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's problematic or off the whales, but anyway.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's not. They listen to our show, they
Speaker 1: must be flawless.
Speaker 3: Don't listen to the daily zeitgeist.
Speaker 2: It's for socialist cowards who don't want their kids to
Speaker 2: know about nine to eleven. Which brings me to mind
Speaker 2: it's a little bit of both American basketball exceptionalism.
Speaker 3: Ye a bit overrated because you know, the US they
Speaker 3: did not do good.
Speaker 2: They crashed out in the Semis to Germany and in
Speaker 2: the Feeble World Cup of Basketball, and a lot of
Speaker 2: American fans could not wrap their heads around this. We're
Speaker 2: calling for blood in the streets. Yeah, like Steve curtisn't
Speaker 2: know what he's doing, like I think he does.
Speaker 3: Who are these people anyway?
Speaker 2: But just looking at this stuff as Steve Kerr and
Speaker 2: Eric Spols, Yeah, like the guy who their assistant coach
Speaker 2: is the guy who is like acknowledged as like the
Speaker 2: fucking whizz of the NBA right now, right, So.
Speaker 3: I don't know what that says.
Speaker 2: But like when you look at the statistics, we never
Speaker 2: the US never beat anyone ranked higher than a seventh seed,
Speaker 2: so it was clear that there was there was like
Speaker 2: limits to what we were able to do anyway.
Speaker 3: And plus these teams play for a lot longer together.
Speaker 2: But I just think, like I think more people should
Speaker 2: have used this result to say, Wow, other countries in
Speaker 2: the world played basketball and know how to play well, yea,
Speaker 2: than this thing of like, ah.
Speaker 5: What the fuck BA, we're just seeing We're seeing a
Speaker 5: thing like repeatedly happened repeatedly that like it's it hasn't
Speaker 5: traditionally been the way it is and so it's not
Speaker 5: like how our mind about basketball is built.
Speaker 1: But where teams who have played together for a long time,
Speaker 1: are better and are more like like who have like
Speaker 1: we see it in the NBA with like teams that
Speaker 1: are like kind of built from the ground up and
Speaker 1: like aren't just like trading for big stars at the
Speaker 1: last second. Are are doing better in the in the championship,
Speaker 1: you know, with Golden State having this dynasty and right,
Speaker 1: but like this is a great example, like it really
Speaker 1: what better example then, And obviously this isn't the NBA.
Speaker 1: This is like a different style of basketball, but we
Speaker 1: have way more NBA talent than any other team. But
Speaker 1: it's it doesn't matter because they just like know how
Speaker 1: to play together. They know exactly like how the other
Speaker 1: person's gonna cut, so right.
Speaker 3: Yes, there's a little more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the unspoken la communication is much better because their
Speaker 2: instincts are better anyway, So that was just nice to watch.
Speaker 2: Shout out Germany and the old old Dennis who came
Speaker 2: through big truth. But also just on nine to eleven,
Speaker 2: just the overrated it's like the nine to eleven coverage
Speaker 2: that absolutely abandons any commentary about US foreign policy, like
Speaker 2: it's expected, but like, come the fuck on, we really
Speaker 2: are were still talking about this in a vacuum.
Speaker 3: Like and how could this have happened?
Speaker 2: Right? How? What?
Speaker 3: What what we do wrong for nine to eleven to happen? Yeah,
Speaker 3: and no one is talking about it.
Speaker 2: And that's why I was like interesting too when a
Speaker 2: lot of people point out that nine to eleven is
Speaker 2: also when the US helped, you know, a military backed
Speaker 2: coup in Chile, uh to ouster president Allende, who was
Speaker 2: you know, democratically elected socialist president for Pinochet, which a
Speaker 2: lot of the new right fash love to talk that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's probably made a good a good mark
Speaker 1: on history.
Speaker 3: And like you can and then you buy extension you could,
Speaker 3: like even with.
Speaker 2: That, like even talking about the like situation in Chile,
Speaker 2: you have to talk about the School of the Americas
Speaker 2: where the US was just training people to kill like
Speaker 2: for you know, their their Western interests. And yeah, with
Speaker 2: nine to eleven, it's just still like, oh man, can
Speaker 2: you believe it?
Speaker 3: The skyline will never look the same way?
Speaker 2: Now, what about all this stuff that was going on
Speaker 2: in previous administrations that was radicalizing people like that whole time?
Speaker 3: But no, we'll just we'll keep it to Tiger Cruise
Speaker 3: and things like that.
Speaker 1: Tiger Cruise, that's right, it does end with them stretching
Speaker 1: a giant American flag across the aircraft carrier, uh like
Speaker 1: whatever deck, and that kind of solves everything, and then
Speaker 1: hidden penetiaries like Dad, I don't need you around for
Speaker 1: moral support.
Speaker 2: You need to go to war. You're the back. So
Speaker 2: uh anyways, let's uh, let's take a quick break and
Speaker 2: we'll come back and talk about some other news stories.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back and we're back, and should we
Speaker 2: talk about Drew Berrymore America? Sweetheart, Drew Barrymore.
Speaker 1: It's I don't know, man, I think our anti labour
Speaker 1: now so sweet?
Speaker 2: But yeah.
Speaker 1: She just announced that her show, creatively named The Drew
Speaker 1: Barrymore Show will be returning to.
Speaker 2: TV regardless of the strike. Has a good exclamation, explanation, excplamation, exclamation,
Speaker 2: She has a good explanation, miles. She claimed that the
Speaker 2: new season of the show will be in accordance with
Speaker 2: the rules of the Writer's Guild of America.
Speaker 1: And sag after straight. How you do that exactly? No
Speaker 1: details on that necessarily, but it will be just can
Speaker 1: you guys just trust Drew Barrymore.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, why are you doing this, Drew? Why?
Speaker 2: Because she wants to simply quote be there to provide
Speaker 2: what writers do so well, which is a way to
Speaker 2: bring us together or help us make sense of the
Speaker 2: human experience.
Speaker 3: The fuck does that mean?
Speaker 2: And provide what writers do just means you're gonna just
Speaker 2: gonna scab or like what is this? How?
Speaker 1: And yeah, So her answer to like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: So how are you gonna do a thing when writers
Speaker 1: are on strike is like, we want to do what
Speaker 1: writers do, which is so I mean that you are
Speaker 1: just trying to like put writers out of business.
Speaker 2: Well, we will have the producers do the writing now
Speaker 2: and they are not in SAG or are they not
Speaker 2: part of the WGA?
Speaker 3: Is that I mean I'm assuming that's what she means.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, which is just I just really wild because
Speaker 2: she's like obviously, like the guests aren't gonna talk about
Speaker 2: struck work during the show, but the WJ is like, uh,
Speaker 2: here's something interesting.
Speaker 3: The Drew Barrymore.
Speaker 2: The Drew Barrymore Show itself is a struck show because
Speaker 2: it's only one of two of these daytime talk shows
Speaker 2: that use WGA writers, Right, So, how I want to
Speaker 2: I just want like I feel like she also is
Speaker 2: using like a lot of psychiatry like therapy speak in
Speaker 2: her like answers, where.
Speaker 1: She's like, I take full responsibility. The buck stops here,
Speaker 1: and I'm still doing this shit. I don't care what
Speaker 1: anybody says.
Speaker 2: I hope for a resolve for everyone as soon as possible.
Speaker 2: We have navigated difficult times since we first came on air,
Speaker 2: and so I take a step forward to start season
Speaker 2: four once again with an astute humility.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, you're still whatever.
Speaker 2: The WJ is like, yeah, okay, well we're gonna be
Speaker 2: picketing the fuck out of this show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, it's uh.
Speaker 1: She she was like she left or you know, she
Speaker 1: decided not to do the MTV Movie Awards, remember at
Speaker 1: the beginning of this strike back of the spring, and
Speaker 1: like that was the right move. But like maybe her
Speaker 1: agents or her like management are like, all right, so
Speaker 1: you did one for them, Now it's time for one
Speaker 1: for you. And that one for you is getting your
Speaker 1: show back up and running so we can go from
Speaker 1: fucking money here.
Speaker 2: Drew baby, Yeah, I mean go, yeah, that's that's not
Speaker 2: the kind of solidarity we're looking for. Drew. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: I guess solidarity with the agents and networks.
Speaker 1: It does like I don't know that just her, her
Speaker 1: whole vibe is like kind of self empowerment, like woo woo.
Speaker 1: And I feel like this does get at the inherently
Speaker 1: selfish or not not that it's inherently selfish, but that
Speaker 1: it can be selfish, that it can always be bulked
Speaker 1: back around to just being selfish and being about like
Speaker 1: whatever you want it to be about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because a lot of that language is used in
Speaker 3: service of like.
Speaker 2: I'm going to do whatever I want to do, though, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like it might not be the best for everyone.
Speaker 6: Actually, Yeah, and yeah, so like rather than looking to
Speaker 6: self empowerment, maybe let's look to each other a.
Speaker 3: Self empowerment, not collective. Let's empower myself.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: All right, other bullshit on the labor front, So Grinder
Speaker 1: just basically they told their employees that they would all
Speaker 1: have to move to a new location and start coming
Speaker 1: into the office, like relocate to a hub city and
Speaker 1: work in person two days a.
Speaker 2: Week, or be fired.
Speaker 1: And they have since that time lost about forty five
Speaker 1: percent of its staff. And yeah, this is something we're
Speaker 1: seeing kind of in a in a lot of different places,
Speaker 1: but this specific instance is kind of fucked up because
Speaker 1: they were talking about unionizing, and people think that what
Speaker 1: is happening is they basically, when it seems like the
Speaker 1: majority of employees were interested in unionizing, they started putting
Speaker 1: these ownerous demands in place that would make it hard
Speaker 1: for people to continue working.
Speaker 2: There, right to be like, oh, okay, you want to
Speaker 2: do that, well, then now come here or lose your job.
Speaker 2: And like, oh, look, just like that, we lost forty
Speaker 2: five percent of our staff. Maybe that's a good thing,
Speaker 2: but like, like we've talked about this a lot about
Speaker 2: how you know this is not a good Like a
Speaker 2: lot of employers are like, yikes, I kind of fucked
Speaker 2: up with that return to the office mandate, even though
Speaker 2: my company was on fucking cruise control for the last
Speaker 2: couple of years, like still making money over like just constantly.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it does it does feel a bit suspicious.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: They so grinder In particular, their shares are up this
Speaker 1: year while everyone was still working remotely. Research has shown
Speaker 1: that employees work actually suffers when they're forced to go
Speaker 1: back to the office, but employers are just very dead
Speaker 1: set on getting that extra bit of control putting the
Speaker 1: toothpaste back in the tube. And it seems like it's
Speaker 1: not it's not going well for them. But with regards
Speaker 1: to the labor side of it, the Community Communication Workers
Speaker 1: of America is the union that they were planning to join.
Speaker 1: They've claimed that this policy was actually an unlawful retaliatory
Speaker 1: measure made in response to a union drive at the company.
Speaker 1: Their current CEO, incidentally, was pretty unpopular already due to
Speaker 1: his extreme conservative political tweets, which included supporting Michael Bloomberg
Speaker 1: and Trump. So the CEO of Grinder, Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: Bloomberg supporter who's like, I.
Speaker 2: Think Trump's got some pretty good ideas.
Speaker 3: Just hear him out. Hear him out? Yeah, really quick. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's a Oh I wonder did he delete some of
Speaker 3: his tweets? Oh?
Speaker 2: Interesting, he deleted a lot of them. Yeah, I guess
Speaker 2: wasn't willing to say some of those chests out. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just I don't know, like, it's just
Speaker 2: a very it's hard to look at something like this
Speaker 2: and not see it as just an absolute intentional way
Speaker 2: to like purge like your workforce that they see as
Speaker 2: like not like people aren't gonna who aren't going to
Speaker 2: be subordinate to like these kinds of demands, especially when
Speaker 2: they talk about how they're like a queer friendly workplace
Speaker 2: culture was just very rare in the tech industry and
Speaker 2: now it's sort of like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, take it or leave itt assholes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I have a fifteen year lease on this
Speaker 2: office building, So what the fuck do you want me
Speaker 2: to do? It's very very Uh yeah, he had previously
Speaker 2: supportive remote work because he was seeing great results from it,
Speaker 2: which makes the you know, allegations that he was just
Speaker 2: pulling this shit to try and purge the workforce. Uh right,
Speaker 2: well pretty credible.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean I still don't like I get,
Speaker 2: I get like the psychology of the boss that just thinks,
Speaker 2: like this is what you need to do because I
Speaker 2: want to be able to lord over people every day,
Speaker 2: so I feel powerful because that's where I derive my
Speaker 2: sense of self from. But also like, try and be
Speaker 2: a good capitalist here, your fucking stock is up, line
Speaker 2: go up, So don't fucking don't take away their freedom
Speaker 2: to like work how they want to. And I think
Speaker 2: it's a huge thing that people are missing with the
Speaker 2: pandemic is like Before it didn't seem possible to like
Speaker 2: demand to work remotely if you could do a job
Speaker 2: that could. But now so many people that were able
Speaker 2: to or sort of like this is I don't see
Speaker 2: a reason to go back, and the arguments aren't compelling.
Speaker 2: So the only argument they have is, well, then you
Speaker 2: want to fucking lose your job, right? Yeah, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't. I guess it is just real estate shit.
Speaker 2: But it's it's crazy that it keeps coming back to that,
Speaker 2: that they just keep their their unable to walk away
Speaker 2: from this idea. I'm sure there's many mentions because also
Speaker 2: too they that probably is in like creating a like
Speaker 2: a deeper sense of like worker power when they don't
Speaker 2: have to go into an office.
Speaker 3: And then they're like, but I don't know what they're
Speaker 3: doing behind.
Speaker 2: My back, and you know, so, uh shout out to
Speaker 2: those of us that can still work remotely, and God,
Speaker 2: please fucking figure out figure out if you just figure
Speaker 2: out those commercial leases.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Can someone just forgive those No, No, we're.
Speaker 1: Going to take one more break and then we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about Ashton and me lacunas Uh and their
Speaker 1: apology video from over the weekend and what they.
Speaker 2: Were apologizing for.
Speaker 3: You you'll be right back.
Speaker 2: And we're back.
Speaker 1: And you may have seen an apology video from Ashton
Speaker 1: Kutcher and Melacunas where you know they're they're looking direct
Speaker 1: to camera, sitting side by side. You can tell that
Speaker 1: they're serious because they're dressed like they just showed up
Speaker 1: to help you paint your apartment.
Speaker 2: He's like in a dirty white T shirt. She's in
Speaker 2: one of his T shirts. It would appear.
Speaker 3: That that collar is way too big.
Speaker 2: It looks like they were naked, and their lawyers are like,
Speaker 2: you have to wear clothes.
Speaker 3: For this apology. I'm like, fuck, just give me then,
Speaker 3: okay ready, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Like the camera started like they were mid
Speaker 1: countdown from the camera crew and realized that they were
Speaker 1: naked and just had like throw shit on. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that maybe the strategy was like to humble
Speaker 1: themselves before the people. But anyways, let's talk about what
Speaker 1: they were apologizing for.
Speaker 2: As we talked about last week.
Speaker 1: Danny Masterson was sentenced to thirty years to life for
Speaker 1: drugging and raping three women, and it was revealed over
Speaker 1: the weekend that Kutcher and Mila Kunas had penned letters
Speaker 1: to the judge praising his exceptional character, and the content
Speaker 1: of the letters concerned how Masterson avoided recreational drug use,
Speaker 1: like as if he were on trial for possessing a
Speaker 1: dimebag of weed, not drugging and raping people.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, letters read terribly like the one line from
Speaker 2: Ashton Kutcher when he's like talking about how like this
Speaker 2: Danny Maschins was a quote, a role model with exceptional character.
Speaker 2: He said, anytime this is from the letter quote, anytime
Speaker 2: that we were to meet someone or interact with someone
Speaker 2: who was on drugs or did drugs, he made it
Speaker 2: clear that that wouldn't be a good person to be
Speaker 2: friends with.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, this is written in the language of a
Speaker 3: middle schooler.
Speaker 2: Like again, the perception of that people that do drugs.
Speaker 2: It's like, we all know people do drugs are bad,
Speaker 2: and he was one of those people who's like, don't
Speaker 2: do drugs, don't be near people that do drugs, therefore.
Speaker 3: Good I it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little it's a little uh, it's a
Speaker 2: little hard to read, especially when you're we're talking about
Speaker 2: like this was part of the sentence. It's like they
Speaker 2: didn't know he was convicted of these crimes, Like they
Speaker 2: knew that. And then they're like, yeah, so he never
Speaker 2: did drugs in front of me. Wait what huh? I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe this is once again proof that our vilification of
Speaker 1: drug uses a bullshit moral stricture that is used to
Speaker 1: make horrible men more powerful than everybody, because I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean pop always. Yeah, like how people talk about well,
Speaker 2: Trump doesn't do drugs.
Speaker 1: Right, Trump doesn't do drugs and just say no. The
Speaker 1: Danny Mashison's just say no guy. I actually don't know
Speaker 1: enough about Danny.
Speaker 2: Mashison's drug policy, right.
Speaker 1: It's it's just funny that like they were, they were
Speaker 1: just like this guy doesn't like drugs for a trial.
Speaker 2: That had nothing to do with him using drugs.
Speaker 1: But that from the Kutcher letter, it says, I do
Speaker 1: not believe he is an ongoing harm to society, and
Speaker 1: having his daughter raised without a present father would be
Speaker 1: a tertiary injustice in and of itself, which just the
Speaker 1: use of tertiary. Yeah, first of all, like s a
Speaker 1: T word, I think that means like a third level injustice.
Speaker 2: So who's saying.
Speaker 3: Who's the primary injustice, who are the.
Speaker 2: Primary and seminary injustices. The primary injustice is the is
Speaker 2: that Danny Masterson goes to jail or that he is
Speaker 2: a perpetrator of sexual violence that you're continuing to ride for.
Speaker 2: And then secondary is that Danny Masterson has to account
Speaker 2: for that. And then tertiary that his daughter then yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a very definition of tertiary.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't think he knows the definition of injustice
Speaker 1: or vice versus yikes. Man, there was a bunch of
Speaker 1: backlash to those letters tofort Grace was even trending on
Speaker 1: Twitter purely because everyone was praising him for not keeping
Speaker 1: praise onto an abuser and attempting to uh attack the
Speaker 1: credibility of the victims.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and yeah that there.
Speaker 2: So in the in the speech, in the apology video
Speaker 2: where they're dressed like they're painting an apartment, they despite
Speaker 2: what they're just rolled out of bed look, might suggest
Speaker 2: they are reading a statement that has clearly been lawyered.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, to the point of life, to the point
Speaker 2: that they themselves as actors couldn't even convincingly perform the
Speaker 2: lines to camera like it felt like so canned. It
Speaker 2: was interesting the pace of the video is really weird
Speaker 2: because like Ashton Kutcher is like really seems like contrite
Speaker 2: and he's like I don't even know, like why, like
Speaker 2: we obviously wouldn't do that. And then like when it
Speaker 2: was time for me Lacunas's line and then her energy
Speaker 2: was like never have we done this? Our careers are about,
Speaker 2: you know, standing up and advocating for victims. Okay, now
Speaker 2: it's your line, Ashton, and like it was just a
Speaker 2: very yeah, felt very contrived, but yeah, it's then this
Speaker 2: sort of led to a wave of a bunch of
Speaker 2: people just being like, let me share a story with
Speaker 2: you about this person or this person, and it kind
Speaker 2: of kind of went all over the place over the weekend. Yeah,
Speaker 2: AK forty seven, Ashton Kutcher not a good guy.
Speaker 1: Turns out in a lot of respects. Maybe maybe fewer
Speaker 1: Dorito's commercials in their future. The one, the one that
Speaker 1: I saw that was pretty wild is a clip from
Speaker 1: Punked where they're about to punk Hillary Duff when she's fifteen,
Speaker 1: and he's like Hillary Duff is in Lizzie McGuire. She
Speaker 1: also has an album at She's gonna be in a
Speaker 1: movie called Cheaper by the dozen with me, and she's
Speaker 1: one of the girls that we're all waiting for to
Speaker 1: turn eighteen, along with the Olsen twins.
Speaker 2: You know, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: No, I don't. I don't know what you're saying. Please
Speaker 3: get away.
Speaker 2: In a movie with her? Like that's fucking horrifying. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of like the old clips that surface,
Speaker 2: you just realize how much just how like violent, like
Speaker 2: just casual talk would be on television. Right. Like there's
Speaker 2: another clip of like Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher on
Speaker 2: the Rosie O'Donnell Show, and she's talking like I was
Speaker 2: fourteen and he was nineteen when I had to kiss
Speaker 2: him on screen for that seventies show. And then Danny
Speaker 2: like like uh dared him for like ten bucks or
Speaker 2: something like to put his tongue down my throat for
Speaker 2: that kiss.
Speaker 3: And like they're all like laughing. And then but like
Speaker 3: Rosie O'donnald's like uh huh.
Speaker 2: And then like Ashton Kutch's like, come on, if it's
Speaker 2: like your girlfriend, you're gonna kiss with tongue because like
Speaker 2: she's supposed to be my girlfriend, it gets like very uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: But like when you look at it through the lens
Speaker 2: of like fifteen twenty years ago, people were just were
Speaker 2: not willing to sort of pick up on how like
Speaker 2: nuanced like the sort of like how much rape culture
Speaker 2: is in our like the way we were talking even
Speaker 2: in a way that was perceived as normal or innocent,
Speaker 2: and you're like, dude, no, you're talking what are you
Speaker 2: talking about a fourteen year old kid? And then yeah, anyway,
Speaker 2: there's also I was reading an article about this in
Speaker 2: LA magazine and they it's they did kind of like
Speaker 2: a like a chat GPT kind of flub in it
Speaker 2: where like they talk about Ashton Kutcher and then it
Speaker 2: says co star Kushner wrote of Masterson.
Speaker 3: Like what Jaron Kushner, Now, are we okay? Whatever it is?
Speaker 2: But yeah, that is definitely uh well, we'll see where
Speaker 2: that backlash ends up.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, like, god, what a fucking terrible look.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And it's not just them.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people like Giovanni Ribisi, Deborah Joe Rupp.
Speaker 3: It's like a ton of wrote wrote letters, wrote rote letters.
Speaker 3: But these are the ones that I think getting right.
Speaker 2: It's not oh yeah, Giovanni Ribisi is Yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: not clear. I know Kushner or Kushner Ashton Kutcher has
Speaker 2: been not I don't know, Like you can't really find
Speaker 2: a quote that says either way, Like the people say that,
Speaker 2: like it's like fifteen years ago or something.
Speaker 3: He said he was open to learning more, but it's
Speaker 3: not like an avowed scientologist.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no, but Danny Masterson, what is the scientific
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, all right, well those are some of
Speaker 1: the things that are trending on this Monday, September eleventh,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. We are back tomorrow with the Who
Speaker 1: last episode of the show. Until then, be kind to
Speaker 1: each other, be kind to yourselves, get the vaccine, don't
Speaker 1: do nothing about white supremacy, and we will talk to
Speaker 1: you all tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Bye bye,