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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this nine trend eleven

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Speaker 1: nine trend yeah episode, long weekend trending episode.

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Speaker 2: I am yeah, that is Miles. Oh yeah, oh yeah

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Speaker 2: nine to eleven? Which nine eleven are we talking about?

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Speaker 2: Were talking about nine to eleven here or the other

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Speaker 2: nine to eleven when America helped Chile overthrow a Yen

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Speaker 2: Day because I was also at nine to eleven.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're not familiar with that one here, Miles.

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Speaker 1: We never look at the Americans like guys, I thought

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Speaker 1: you were gonna ask for were talking about how this

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Speaker 1: weekend was a nine to eleven for Martin Short fans.

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Speaker 2: Because it was I didn't even know until Anna sent

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Speaker 2: this tweet through our thread.

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Speaker 3: Yeah what was the tweet?

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Speaker 2: It said, I will never It says when when they

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Speaker 2: say white people have no culture, I will remember the

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Speaker 2: day they mounted up from Martin Short.

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Speaker 3: That is from YC on dot com.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's not It's a fucking tweet Twitter

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, Twitter, bather, I am not bothered about Martin

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Speaker 1: Short one way or the other. I feel like me

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Speaker 1: is cilantro. I treated this discussion like like I do

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Speaker 1: any Internet controversy, controversy where where it's like, yeah, like

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Speaker 1: I can see how this could be distasteful to some people,

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Speaker 1: tastes like soap to you.

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Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah, that sounds terrible. I don't. I don't

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Speaker 2: fuck with that. On the other hand, I don't think

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Speaker 2: it's like that that big a deal. I don't. I

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Speaker 2: don't want him to stop.

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Speaker 1: Some of the tone of the weekend felt like he's

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Speaker 1: he's been canceled. He's like there there must be implications

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Speaker 1: that he's a shitty person or something. It really feels

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Speaker 1: like the whole thing is just somebody being like, this

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Speaker 1: guy's not funny, right.

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Speaker 2: Like right, and absolutely everyone's like he is. Blair Sack,

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Speaker 2: even mount Roll just say, what did Blair say?

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Speaker 4: An enemy of Martin Short is an enemy of mine?

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Speaker 2: Damn. Also, Sarah Sarah Sherman aka Sarah Squirm also put

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Speaker 2: the disrespect Martin Short all day, every day till I

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Speaker 2: fucking die hashtag Clifford.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, I feel like people who are

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Speaker 1: in comedy like there's gonna be respect on Martin Short disagree.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's been around for so long, he's had,

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Speaker 2: you know, a lot of iconic roles. I'm I just

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Speaker 2: I'm like one of those people where I get why

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Speaker 2: some people might be tired of him or whatever.

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Speaker 3: That's your own personal taste.

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Speaker 2: Like, when I think of the things that I've been

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Speaker 2: I've enjoyed the most for Martin Short has been Jimmy Glick, Yes,

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Speaker 2: but also.

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Speaker 3: Like you know, Clifford was cool too.

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Speaker 2: There's like, I don't know, I think it's also kind

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Speaker 2: of those things where like he really resonates with you

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Speaker 2: when you're younger. Yoh, she kind of like has that

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Speaker 2: energy of like kids comedian.

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Speaker 3: But does it very well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's I really liked some moments from Jimmy Glick,

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Speaker 1: and I really like the Harry Shearer Martin Short sketch

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Speaker 1: about synchronized swimmers who like can actually swim.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's just very funny to me.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, uh so sorry to the people who getting their

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Speaker 2: fucking yum yucked the fuck out and they're like, absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: We will ride for this Canadian all right, what do

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Speaker 2: we want to do first? We want to do our

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Speaker 2: underrated or overrated.

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Speaker 3: Let's do unders because I think our over is overlap.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, My under is the confidence of a

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Speaker 1: mediocre boomer white man. I just opened volume three issue

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Speaker 1: nine of Boston Brick and Stone Newsletter.

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Speaker 2: H do you remember this from the pandemic?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: There, there's this guy has.

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Speaker 1: A chimney construction company and he has used his money

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Speaker 1: to create a small five page zine where he waxes

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Speaker 1: philosophical on life and just like writes the most basic

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Speaker 1: opinions like so let me just the front The front

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Speaker 1: page story from this edition is basically that he just

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Speaker 1: watched the movie Cheer or watched the Netflix show Cheer

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Speaker 1: and thinks that Monica is cool. Like, that's basically it.

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Speaker 1: He titles it, if you want to become great at something,

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Speaker 1: makes perfect.

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Speaker 3: Wait, where do you find this.

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Speaker 2: In the mail? It just comes to my mailbox every day?

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Speaker 1: So get Wow, Boston Brickingstone Newsletter, front page, if you

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Speaker 1: want to become great at something, do this, And he

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Speaker 3: Uh huh.

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Speaker 1: But then page two Florida Man, the Unpredictable phenomenon. It's

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Speaker 1: just you just found out about Florida Man.

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Speaker 2: Oh, just being like, how can we always hear about

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Speaker 2: these Florida man types. It's just the most basic ass

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Speaker 2: shit is he reading?

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Speaker 3: He cracked like nine years later.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a very poor man's version of It's

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Speaker 1: like if any random dad was like, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: make a website, but he publishes it and sends it

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Speaker 1: and like puts it in and he's in Pasadena, So

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Speaker 1: I'm not that close to Pasadena. So this is reaching

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Speaker 1: a wide swath of people just with.

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Speaker 3: You holding it up.

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Speaker 2: That quote unquote zine has the vibes of like Lyndon

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Speaker 2: LaRouche like newspapers that they would throw a chew on

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Speaker 3: It just seems like what's in there, I don't even know.

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Speaker 1: Stupid caveman trivia, unusual things you can make with a blender,

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Speaker 1: tiki bars, last chance to get a summer cocktail, and

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Speaker 1: this is all just written by him.

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Speaker 2: He's not a good writer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's just an amazing testament to the ego

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Speaker 1: of this fading generation that will not let go of power.

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Speaker 1: And it's just like, yeah, no, everybody needs to hear

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Speaker 1: what I think.

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Speaker 2: I'm yeah right, as this person inevitably is like grappling

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Speaker 2: with their own mortality. They're like, this is what I

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Speaker 2: need to do. I need to ramp my output of

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Speaker 2: my words to share that with the world.

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Speaker 1: Boston Brick and Stone newsletter is going to be my legacy.

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Speaker 1: I just had a feeling that God told me that

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Speaker 1: I had to add something important to do.

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Speaker 2: Feel he's driving crooner right right right. I have a

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Speaker 2: feeling your legacy will probably be the chimneys that you restore,

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Speaker 2: that will probably be standing long after for your physical

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Speaker 2: body has expired. Aask a long time man, just be proud,

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Speaker 2: be proud of your chimneys. Bro. Yeah, exactly, that's enough.

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Speaker 2: What's your underrated, underrated goddamn fucking museum gift shop? Because

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Speaker 2: I'm like, what, man, dude, some they somehow have the

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Speaker 2: best version of the gift shop scam, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean of? Like this' is probably why Banks he

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Speaker 2: mentioned it in his work, like exit through the gift shop.

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Speaker 2: Like normally, when I'm forced through a gift shop at

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Speaker 2: the end of like visiting a place or seeing something

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Speaker 2: very interesting, like when you visit like a historical site

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Speaker 2: through there and be like I don't need a fuck

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Speaker 2: I don't need coasters with a Catholic church on it

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Speaker 2: for fucking thirty dollars. I'm don'na fucking need this. I

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Speaker 2: don't need a T shirt that says whatever the fuck

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Speaker 2: it is. But somehow, when you go to a museum

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Speaker 2: gift shop and suddenly you're like, I guess I can

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Speaker 2: Basquiat art on its. We like it's almost like this

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Speaker 2: store is sort of like you know that this is

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Speaker 2: like fine art Chotski's right, and you're not dumb and

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Speaker 2: fucking not cultured, so you should overpay for this baby Onesie,

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Speaker 3: Will tell people that you know what Keith Herring is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like a it's like an NPR tote. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: baby Onesie.

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Speaker 3: But like, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Why you it's.

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Speaker 2: Intoxicating the museum the art, specifically an art museum, because

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Speaker 2: you're like, this is a high minded calendar. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: they also have free reign to pull.

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Speaker 1: Instead of like just pulling clip art from the Internet,

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Speaker 1: they are pulling from.

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Speaker 2: Like the greatest art ever created. Yeah, and they probably have.

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Speaker 1: Like good design minds like we're doing at the at

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Speaker 1: the gift shop. So yeah, they they they have some

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Speaker 1: good merch man.

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Speaker 2: They're just like and I think it's just a part

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Speaker 2: all worth exactly what they say they are merely because

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Speaker 2: it's like everything. Yeah yeah, yeah, like I bought I

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Speaker 2: like Keith Haring, like apartheid commentary kind of shirts and things,

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Speaker 2: there was something nostalgic about me taking the baby there

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Speaker 2: though he's like what the fuck is he got it? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna get to the cultural appropriation part that isn't

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Speaker 2: actually discussed in this exhibit, but we will save that

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Speaker 2: for another time, right, But like it was, I don't

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Speaker 2: know then immediately my defenses were just completely down, and

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Speaker 2: so then we could walk the earth together, proclaiming our.

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Speaker 3: Love for art.

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Speaker 2: So amazing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they know they've done it. They've done it.

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Speaker 2: They have all right.

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Speaker 1: Well, similarly, so for my overrated I similarly had a

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Speaker 1: weekend of culture with my kids. We watched so my

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Speaker 1: son is like really into navel stuff.

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Speaker 2: Now this is the Star Wars one.

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Speaker 1: My seven year old was really into Star Wars. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's like the nautical terminology in Star

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Speaker 1: Wars or what, but he's like, now, just like Friday

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Speaker 1: is movie night, and he's like, I want to watch

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Speaker 1: a military movie.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh no, And I was thinking about Top Gun,

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Speaker 4: but it felt like I don't want to give my

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Speaker 3: Because in your mind it's instant. It's instant.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh it's so good, Like that is just the

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Speaker 1: most potent cocktail that the military has concocted. And so

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Speaker 1: I was searching and I found this movie Tiger Cruise,

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Speaker 1: which seemed like a straightforward kids movie taking place aboard

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Speaker 1: aircraft carre and the it's a Disney movie, right, like

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Speaker 1: a Disney Channel movie, not a Disney like a Disney

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Speaker 1: chant like a made for Disney Channel movie starring Bill

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Speaker 1: Pullman and Hate Him Penitiary, Okay, And I was like, yes,

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Speaker 1: this is good, Like it seems silly in a way

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Speaker 1: that they're going to appreciate. I think aircraft terrors are

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Speaker 1: are inherently interesting, like how they fit everything in there.

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Speaker 2: They're fucking so big man whenever you see them, like

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Speaker 2: put the the fucking killer machines below the deck and stuff,

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Speaker 2: and how they organize it underneath you.

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Speaker 3: Like, holy shit, yes it's crazy. I get why we

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Speaker 1: Paragraph in or a good chapter in U Ministry for

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Speaker 1: the Future. It's just a one off where it's like

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Speaker 3: It's like, no, this fucking movie's about nine to eleven.

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Speaker 2: Shout out Germany and the old old Dennis who came

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Speaker 2: coup in Chile, uh to ouster president Allende, who was

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Speaker 2: you know, democratically elected socialist president for Pinochet, which a

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Speaker 2: lot of the new right fash love to talk that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's probably made a good a good mark

444
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Speaker 1: on history.

445
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Speaker 3: And like you can and then you buy extension you could,

446
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Speaker 3: like even with.

447
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Speaker 2: That, like even talking about the like situation in Chile,

448
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 2: you have to talk about the School of the Americas

449
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 2: where the US was just training people to kill like

450
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Speaker 2: for you know, their their Western interests. And yeah, with

451
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Speaker 2: nine to eleven, it's just still like, oh man, can

452
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Speaker 2: you believe it?

453
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Speaker 3: The skyline will never look the same way?

454
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Speaker 2: Now, what about all this stuff that was going on

455
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 2: in previous administrations that was radicalizing people like that whole time?

456
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Speaker 3: But no, we'll just we'll keep it to Tiger Cruise

457
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Speaker 3: and things like that.

458
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Speaker 1: Tiger Cruise, that's right, it does end with them stretching

459
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Speaker 1: a giant American flag across the aircraft carrier, uh like

460
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Speaker 1: whatever deck, and that kind of solves everything, and then

461
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: hidden penetiaries like Dad, I don't need you around for

462
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Speaker 1: moral support.

463
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Speaker 2: You need to go to war. You're the back. So

464
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Speaker 2: uh anyways, let's uh, let's take a quick break and

465
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Speaker 2: we'll come back and talk about some other news stories.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back and we're back, and should we

467
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Speaker 2: talk about Drew Berrymore America? Sweetheart, Drew Barrymore.

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Speaker 1: It's I don't know, man, I think our anti labour

469
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Speaker 1: now so sweet?

470
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Speaker 2: But yeah.

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Speaker 1: She just announced that her show, creatively named The Drew

472
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Speaker 1: Barrymore Show will be returning to.

473
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Speaker 2: TV regardless of the strike. Has a good exclamation, explanation, excplamation, exclamation,

474
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Speaker 2: She has a good explanation, miles. She claimed that the

475
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Speaker 2: new season of the show will be in accordance with

476
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Speaker 2: the rules of the Writer's Guild of America.

477
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Speaker 1: And sag after straight. How you do that exactly? No

478
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Speaker 1: details on that necessarily, but it will be just can

479
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Speaker 1: you guys just trust Drew Barrymore.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, why are you doing this, Drew? Why?

481
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Speaker 2: Because she wants to simply quote be there to provide

482
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Speaker 2: what writers do so well, which is a way to

483
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Speaker 2: bring us together or help us make sense of the

484
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Speaker 2: human experience.

485
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Speaker 3: The fuck does that mean?

486
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Speaker 2: And provide what writers do just means you're gonna just

487
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Speaker 2: gonna scab or like what is this? How?

488
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: And yeah, So her answer to like, what the fuck?

489
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Speaker 1: So how are you gonna do a thing when writers

490
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Speaker 1: are on strike is like, we want to do what

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Speaker 1: writers do, which is so I mean that you are

492
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Speaker 1: just trying to like put writers out of business.

493
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Speaker 2: Well, we will have the producers do the writing now

494
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Speaker 2: and they are not in SAG or are they not

495
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Speaker 2: part of the WGA?

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Speaker 3: Is that I mean I'm assuming that's what she means.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, which is just I just really wild because

498
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Speaker 2: she's like obviously, like the guests aren't gonna talk about

499
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Speaker 2: struck work during the show, but the WJ is like, uh,

500
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Speaker 2: here's something interesting.

501
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Speaker 3: The Drew Barrymore.

502
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Speaker 2: The Drew Barrymore Show itself is a struck show because

503
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Speaker 2: it's only one of two of these daytime talk shows

504
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 2: that use WGA writers, Right, So, how I want to

505
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 2: I just want like I feel like she also is

506
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 2: using like a lot of psychiatry like therapy speak in

507
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 2: her like answers, where.

508
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Speaker 1: She's like, I take full responsibility. The buck stops here,

509
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: and I'm still doing this shit. I don't care what

510
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Speaker 1: anybody says.

511
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Speaker 2: I hope for a resolve for everyone as soon as possible.

512
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 2: We have navigated difficult times since we first came on air,

513
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: and so I take a step forward to start season

514
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Speaker 2: four once again with an astute humility.

515
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, you're still whatever.

516
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 2: The WJ is like, yeah, okay, well we're gonna be

517
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 2: picketing the fuck out of this show.

518
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see how that goes.

519
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, it's uh.

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Speaker 1: She she was like she left or you know, she

521
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: decided not to do the MTV Movie Awards, remember at

522
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Speaker 1: the beginning of this strike back of the spring, and

523
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: like that was the right move. But like maybe her

524
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: agents or her like management are like, all right, so

525
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Speaker 1: you did one for them, Now it's time for one

526
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: for you. And that one for you is getting your

527
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Speaker 1: show back up and running so we can go from

528
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Speaker 1: fucking money here.

529
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Speaker 2: Drew baby, Yeah, I mean go, yeah, that's that's not

530
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Speaker 2: the kind of solidarity we're looking for. Drew. Yeah, but

531
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Speaker 2: I guess solidarity with the agents and networks.

532
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Speaker 1: It does like I don't know that just her, her

533
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: whole vibe is like kind of self empowerment, like woo woo.

534
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: And I feel like this does get at the inherently

535
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: selfish or not not that it's inherently selfish, but that

536
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: it can be selfish, that it can always be bulked

537
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: back around to just being selfish and being about like

538
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: whatever you want it to be about.

539
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because a lot of that language is used in

540
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Speaker 3: service of like.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to do whatever I want to do, though, right, Yeah,

542
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 2: it's like it might not be the best for everyone.

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Speaker 6: Actually, Yeah, and yeah, so like rather than looking to

544
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Speaker 6: self empowerment, maybe let's look to each other a.

545
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Speaker 3: Self empowerment, not collective. Let's empower myself.

546
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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you very much.

547
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Speaker 1: All right, other bullshit on the labor front, So Grinder

548
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: just basically they told their employees that they would all

549
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: have to move to a new location and start coming

550
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Speaker 1: into the office, like relocate to a hub city and

551
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: work in person two days a.

552
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Speaker 2: Week, or be fired.

553
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Speaker 1: And they have since that time lost about forty five

554
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Speaker 1: percent of its staff. And yeah, this is something we're

555
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: seeing kind of in a in a lot of different places,

556
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Speaker 1: but this specific instance is kind of fucked up because

557
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Speaker 1: they were talking about unionizing, and people think that what

558
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Speaker 1: is happening is they basically, when it seems like the

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Speaker 1: majority of employees were interested in unionizing, they started putting

560
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Speaker 1: these ownerous demands in place that would make it hard

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Speaker 1: for people to continue working.

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Speaker 2: There, right to be like, oh, okay, you want to

563
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Speaker 2: do that, well, then now come here or lose your job.

564
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Speaker 2: And like, oh, look, just like that, we lost forty

565
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Speaker 2: five percent of our staff. Maybe that's a good thing,

566
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Speaker 2: but like, like we've talked about this a lot about

567
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Speaker 2: how you know this is not a good Like a

568
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Speaker 2: lot of employers are like, yikes, I kind of fucked

569
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Speaker 2: up with that return to the office mandate, even though

570
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Speaker 2: my company was on fucking cruise control for the last

571
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Speaker 2: couple of years, like still making money over like just constantly.

572
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Speaker 3: So yeah, it does it does feel a bit suspicious.

573
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: They so grinder In particular, their shares are up this

575
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Speaker 1: year while everyone was still working remotely. Research has shown

576
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Speaker 1: that employees work actually suffers when they're forced to go

577
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: back to the office, but employers are just very dead

578
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: set on getting that extra bit of control putting the

579
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Speaker 1: toothpaste back in the tube. And it seems like it's

580
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: not it's not going well for them. But with regards

581
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Speaker 1: to the labor side of it, the Community Communication Workers

582
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: of America is the union that they were planning to join.

583
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Speaker 1: They've claimed that this policy was actually an unlawful retaliatory

584
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Speaker 1: measure made in response to a union drive at the company.

585
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: Their current CEO, incidentally, was pretty unpopular already due to

586
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Speaker 1: his extreme conservative political tweets, which included supporting Michael Bloomberg

587
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Speaker 1: and Trump. So the CEO of Grinder, Yeah, it's a

588
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: Bloomberg supporter who's like, I.

589
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: Think Trump's got some pretty good ideas.

590
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Speaker 3: Just hear him out. Hear him out? Yeah, really quick. Okay, Yeah,

591
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 3: there's a Oh I wonder did he delete some of

592
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 3: his tweets? Oh?

593
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: Interesting, he deleted a lot of them. Yeah, I guess

594
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: wasn't willing to say some of those chests out. But yeah,

595
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just I don't know, like, it's just

596
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 2: a very it's hard to look at something like this

597
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 2: and not see it as just an absolute intentional way

598
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 2: to like purge like your workforce that they see as

599
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: like not like people aren't gonna who aren't going to

600
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Speaker 2: be subordinate to like these kinds of demands, especially when

601
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: they talk about how they're like a queer friendly workplace

602
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: culture was just very rare in the tech industry and

603
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: now it's sort of like.

604
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, take it or leave itt assholes.

605
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I have a fifteen year lease on this

606
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: office building, So what the fuck do you want me

607
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: to do? It's very very Uh yeah, he had previously

608
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: supportive remote work because he was seeing great results from it,

609
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: which makes the you know, allegations that he was just

610
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: pulling this shit to try and purge the workforce. Uh right,

611
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 2: well pretty credible.

612
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

613
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean I still don't like I get,

614
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 2: I get like the psychology of the boss that just thinks,

615
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,239
Speaker 2: like this is what you need to do because I

616
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: want to be able to lord over people every day,

617
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 2: so I feel powerful because that's where I derive my

618
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 2: sense of self from. But also like, try and be

619
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: a good capitalist here, your fucking stock is up, line

620
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: go up, So don't fucking don't take away their freedom

621
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Speaker 2: to like work how they want to. And I think

622
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 2: it's a huge thing that people are missing with the

623
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: pandemic is like Before it didn't seem possible to like

624
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: demand to work remotely if you could do a job

625
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: that could. But now so many people that were able

626
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: to or sort of like this is I don't see

627
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: a reason to go back, and the arguments aren't compelling.

628
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: So the only argument they have is, well, then you

629
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: want to fucking lose your job, right? Yeah, Okay, yeah,

630
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 2: I don't. I guess it is just real estate shit.

631
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: But it's it's crazy that it keeps coming back to that,

632
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 2: that they just keep their their unable to walk away

633
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 2: from this idea. I'm sure there's many mentions because also

634
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: too they that probably is in like creating a like

635
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: a deeper sense of like worker power when they don't

636
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 2: have to go into an office.

637
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 3: And then they're like, but I don't know what they're

638
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 3: doing behind.

639
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: My back, and you know, so, uh shout out to

640
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 2: those of us that can still work remotely, and God,

641
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,479
Speaker 2: please fucking figure out figure out if you just figure

642
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 2: out those commercial leases.

643
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Can someone just forgive those No, No, we're.

644
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: Going to take one more break and then we're going

645
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: to talk about Ashton and me lacunas Uh and their

646
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: apology video from over the weekend and what they.

647
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: Were apologizing for.

648
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 3: You you'll be right back.

649
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 2: And we're back.

650
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: And you may have seen an apology video from Ashton

651
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: Kutcher and Melacunas where you know they're they're looking direct

652
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: to camera, sitting side by side. You can tell that

653
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: they're serious because they're dressed like they just showed up

654
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: to help you paint your apartment.

655
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 2: He's like in a dirty white T shirt. She's in

656
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: one of his T shirts. It would appear.

657
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 3: That that collar is way too big.

658
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 2: It looks like they were naked, and their lawyers are like,

659
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: you have to wear clothes.

660
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 3: For this apology. I'm like, fuck, just give me then,

661
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 3: okay ready, Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Like the camera started like they were mid

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Speaker 1: countdown from the camera crew and realized that they were

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Speaker 1: naked and just had like throw shit on. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that maybe the strategy was like to humble

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Speaker 1: themselves before the people. But anyways, let's talk about what

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00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 1: they were apologizing for.

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Speaker 2: As we talked about last week.

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Speaker 1: Danny Masterson was sentenced to thirty years to life for

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Speaker 1: drugging and raping three women, and it was revealed over

671
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Speaker 1: the weekend that Kutcher and Mila Kunas had penned letters

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Speaker 1: to the judge praising his exceptional character, and the content

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Speaker 1: of the letters concerned how Masterson avoided recreational drug use,

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Speaker 1: like as if he were on trial for possessing a

675
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Speaker 1: dimebag of weed, not drugging and raping people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, letters read terribly like the one line from

677
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Speaker 2: Ashton Kutcher when he's like talking about how like this

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Speaker 2: Danny Maschins was a quote, a role model with exceptional character.

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00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: He said, anytime this is from the letter quote, anytime

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Speaker 2: that we were to meet someone or interact with someone

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Speaker 2: who was on drugs or did drugs, he made it

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Speaker 2: clear that that wouldn't be a good person to be

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Speaker 2: friends with.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, this is written in the language of a

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Speaker 3: middle schooler.

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Speaker 2: Like again, the perception of that people that do drugs.

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Speaker 2: It's like, we all know people do drugs are bad,

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Speaker 2: and he was one of those people who's like, don't

689
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Speaker 2: do drugs, don't be near people that do drugs, therefore.

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Speaker 3: Good I it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little it's a little uh, it's a

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Speaker 2: little hard to read, especially when you're we're talking about

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Speaker 2: like this was part of the sentence. It's like they

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Speaker 2: didn't know he was convicted of these crimes, Like they

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Speaker 2: knew that. And then they're like, yeah, so he never

696
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Speaker 2: did drugs in front of me. Wait what huh? I

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Speaker 2: don't know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe this is once again proof that our vilification of

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Speaker 1: drug uses a bullshit moral stricture that is used to

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Speaker 1: make horrible men more powerful than everybody, because I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean pop always. Yeah, like how people talk about well,

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Speaker 2: Trump doesn't do drugs.

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Speaker 1: Right, Trump doesn't do drugs and just say no. The

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Speaker 1: Danny Mashison's just say no guy. I actually don't know

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Speaker 1: enough about Danny.

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Speaker 2: Mashison's drug policy, right.

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Speaker 1: It's it's just funny that like they were, they were

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Speaker 1: just like this guy doesn't like drugs for a trial.

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Speaker 2: That had nothing to do with him using drugs.

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Speaker 1: But that from the Kutcher letter, it says, I do

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Speaker 1: not believe he is an ongoing harm to society, and

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Speaker 1: having his daughter raised without a present father would be

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Speaker 1: a tertiary injustice in and of itself, which just the

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Speaker 1: use of tertiary. Yeah, first of all, like s a

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Speaker 1: T word, I think that means like a third level injustice.

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Speaker 2: So who's saying.

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Speaker 3: Who's the primary injustice, who are the.

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Speaker 2: Primary and seminary injustices. The primary injustice is the is

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Speaker 2: that Danny Masterson goes to jail or that he is

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Speaker 2: a perpetrator of sexual violence that you're continuing to ride for.

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Speaker 2: And then secondary is that Danny Masterson has to account

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Speaker 2: for that. And then tertiary that his daughter then yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's a very definition of tertiary.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I don't think he knows the definition of injustice

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Speaker 1: or vice versus yikes. Man, there was a bunch of

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00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: backlash to those letters tofort Grace was even trending on

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Speaker 1: Twitter purely because everyone was praising him for not keeping

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Speaker 1: praise onto an abuser and attempting to uh attack the

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Speaker 1: credibility of the victims.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and yeah that there.

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Speaker 2: So in the in the speech, in the apology video

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Speaker 2: where they're dressed like they're painting an apartment, they despite

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Speaker 2: what they're just rolled out of bed look, might suggest

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Speaker 2: they are reading a statement that has clearly been lawyered.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, to the point of life, to the point

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Speaker 2: that they themselves as actors couldn't even convincingly perform the

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Speaker 2: lines to camera like it felt like so canned. It

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Speaker 2: was interesting the pace of the video is really weird

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Speaker 2: because like Ashton Kutcher is like really seems like contrite

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Speaker 2: and he's like I don't even know, like why, like

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Speaker 2: we obviously wouldn't do that. And then like when it

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Speaker 2: was time for me Lacunas's line and then her energy

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Speaker 2: was like never have we done this? Our careers are about,

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00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 2: you know, standing up and advocating for victims. Okay, now

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Speaker 2: it's your line, Ashton, and like it was just a

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Speaker 2: very yeah, felt very contrived, but yeah, it's then this

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Speaker 2: sort of led to a wave of a bunch of

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Speaker 2: people just being like, let me share a story with

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Speaker 2: you about this person or this person, and it kind

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Speaker 2: of kind of went all over the place over the weekend. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: AK forty seven, Ashton Kutcher not a good guy.

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Speaker 1: Turns out in a lot of respects. Maybe maybe fewer

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Speaker 1: Dorito's commercials in their future. The one, the one that

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Speaker 1: I saw that was pretty wild is a clip from

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Speaker 1: Punked where they're about to punk Hillary Duff when she's fifteen,

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Speaker 1: and he's like Hillary Duff is in Lizzie McGuire. She

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Speaker 1: also has an album at She's gonna be in a

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Speaker 1: movie called Cheaper by the dozen with me, and she's

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Speaker 1: one of the girls that we're all waiting for to

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Speaker 1: turn eighteen, along with the Olsen twins.

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Speaker 2: You know, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't. I don't know what you're saying. Please

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Speaker 3: get away.

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Speaker 2: In a movie with her? Like that's fucking horrifying. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean a lot of like the old clips that surface,

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Speaker 2: you just realize how much just how like violent, like

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Speaker 2: just casual talk would be on television. Right. Like there's

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Speaker 2: another clip of like Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher on

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Speaker 2: the Rosie O'Donnell Show, and she's talking like I was

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Speaker 2: fourteen and he was nineteen when I had to kiss

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Speaker 2: him on screen for that seventies show. And then Danny

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00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 2: like like uh dared him for like ten bucks or

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Speaker 2: something like to put his tongue down my throat for

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Speaker 2: that kiss.

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Speaker 3: And like they're all like laughing. And then but like

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Speaker 3: Rosie O'donnald's like uh huh.

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00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: And then like Ashton Kutch's like, come on, if it's

778
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: like your girlfriend, you're gonna kiss with tongue because like

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Speaker 2: she's supposed to be my girlfriend, it gets like very uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2: But like when you look at it through the lens

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Speaker 2: of like fifteen twenty years ago, people were just were

782
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Speaker 2: not willing to sort of pick up on how like

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Speaker 2: nuanced like the sort of like how much rape culture

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Speaker 2: is in our like the way we were talking even

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Speaker 2: in a way that was perceived as normal or innocent,

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Speaker 2: and you're like, dude, no, you're talking what are you

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Speaker 2: talking about a fourteen year old kid? And then yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 2: there's also I was reading an article about this in

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00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: LA magazine and they it's they did kind of like

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00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 2: a like a chat GPT kind of flub in it

791
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: where like they talk about Ashton Kutcher and then it

792
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Speaker 2: says co star Kushner wrote of Masterson.

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Speaker 3: Like what Jaron Kushner, Now, are we okay? Whatever it is?

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Speaker 2: But yeah, that is definitely uh well, we'll see where

795
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 2: that backlash ends up.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, like, god, what a fucking terrible look.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 3: And it's not just them.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of people like Giovanni Ribisi, Deborah Joe Rupp.

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Speaker 3: It's like a ton of wrote wrote letters, wrote rote letters.

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Speaker 3: But these are the ones that I think getting right.

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Speaker 2: It's not oh yeah, Giovanni Ribisi is Yeah, yeah, it's

803
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 2: not clear. I know Kushner or Kushner Ashton Kutcher has

804
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 2: been not I don't know, Like you can't really find

805
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: a quote that says either way, Like the people say that,

806
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 2: like it's like fifteen years ago or something.

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Speaker 3: He said he was open to learning more, but it's

808
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Speaker 3: not like an avowed scientologist.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no, but Danny Masterson, what is the scientific

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, all right, well those are some of

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Speaker 1: the things that are trending on this Monday, September eleventh,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. We are back tomorrow with the Who

813
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Speaker 1: last episode of the show. Until then, be kind to

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Speaker 1: each other, be kind to yourselves, get the vaccine, don't

815
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: do nothing about white supremacy, and we will talk to

816
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: you all tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Bye bye,