WEBVTT - Hour 3 – Steve Levy, Reggie Miller 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:03.560 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:05.480 Sports Radio Final Hour. 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:08.000 On this Tuesday, it'll be busy Steve Levy on loan 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:11.160 from the mother Ship ESPN NHL play by play, a 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:14.760 commentator also host as well. Reggie Miller was on the 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:18.639 call for Victor Wembin Yama. And you know when they 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:23.560 start throwing around names like Shaq, Wilt, Chamberlain, David Robinson, 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:28.160 you've done something really well. Wemby joins David Robinson as 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:31.680 the only Spurs player with a forty twenty playoff game. 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:35.040 He's also the first player since Wilt to have at 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:39.120 least forty to twenty in his Conference Finals debut. He's 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:41.640 also the youngest player in NBA history with at least 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:45.000 forty to twenty in a playoff game, and he's just 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:48.800 getting started at age twenty two. Don't lose sight of 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:52.200 Dylan Harper, Ron Harper's son. He had twenty four points, 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:56.200 eleven rebounds, and seven steals. Last time we had a 0:00:56.200 --> 0:01:01.040 performance like that, Larry Bird did that back in the 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:04.399 mid eighties in a playoff game for the Celtics. And 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:07.160 I brought this up first hour, but we should be 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:11.240 reminding you again of this the youngest starting lineup in 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:16.080 NBA Conference Finals history. Harper's twenty, Castle's twenty one, Vassals 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:20.360 twenty five, Champagny is twenty four, and Wenby is twenty two, 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:23.360 so their average age is twenty two years, two hundred 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:27.080 and forty six days. The average age of Michigan's title 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:30.760 team this year was twenty one and a half years. 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:32.959 All Right, the eight seven to seven three DP show 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:37.480 email address Dpatdanpatrick dot com Twitter handle a DP show Dylan. 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:39.360 What kind of poll question do you have for me 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:41.399 for the final hour of the program? 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:45.319 All right, Dan, Well, we've got a couple we're gonna 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:47.680 be talking some hockey, so I figured we may as 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:50.880 well ask the people if Canada is at all rooting 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:51.800 for the Canadians. 0:01:52.320 --> 0:02:01.240 M I'm gonna guess mixed bag there. Yes, is Buffalo cursed? Yes? 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:02.960 Or no? The city of Buffalo. 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:11.560 Oh. I don't know how you would clarify quantify being cursed. 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:14.760 I mean, you lose games, you haven't won titles, that 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:19.080 mean you're cursed. You're just unlucky. 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:21.880 It's an intangible little bit. I think it's a feeling. 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:23.799 Who else is cursed? 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:24.040 Like? 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:26.960 Do you feel like there's a franchise that's cursed, like 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:30.600 the Cubs were supposed to be cursed. But but what 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:33.360 did they do to break the curse? They just won 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:36.360 a championship. I don't think they did anything. There was 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:39.520 no blood letting or sacrificial lamb or anything like that. 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.440 The Red Sox the blood letting, Kurt showing sock. 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:48.519 Kirch if you believe that it was actual blood ketchup letting, yes, yes, 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:49.959 Marvin having. 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:54.079 The Buffalo Sabers won a Stanley Cup before they. 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:58.120 Were in the Stanley Cup finals, I know against Dallas. 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:01.079 Oh Bride's Maid, never the bride. Then yeah, I don't 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:02.679 think they're cursed. They just haven't been good enough to 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:03.600 win a championship. 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:07.840 Well with the Buffalo Bills cursed and they lost four 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:08.200 in a row. 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.040 No, they just weren't good enough as the other teams. 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:12.840 No curse, All right, well you're no fun. 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:15.359 Oh I'm sorry. Yeah they are curse. 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:17.520 You lose four Super Bowls in a row, that's you're 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:18.200 pretty cursed. 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:20.639 Yeah yeah, but you're pretty good to get to four 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:22.760 Super Bowls. Yes, Paul, the Cubs did have. 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:25.760 A legendary curse back in nineteen forty five, the last 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:28.920 time they had made a World Series. There's a place 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:30.919 called the Billy Goat Tavern. I know you've been there, Dan, 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:34.200 It's great. The owner was William Ciannas and he had 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:37.680 a a goat that was at Wrigley Field, and they 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:39.520 kicked him and the goat out because as the goat 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:41.840 was bothering the fans, he's supposed to put a curse 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:43.240 on them. And they didn't go back to the World 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:43.880 Series forever. 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:47.240 Well, they made a mistake of letting the goat in 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:47.920 to begin with. 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.720 No, the goat was good luck, they thought, and some 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:54.720 stafford kicked out the goat. Okay, they went on a 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:55.800 cold streak after that. 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:59.080 Now the Cavaliers are getting seven and a half to 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:02.280 night against the nick On Wednesday, the Spurs they are 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:06.240 getting six and a half against Oka. See more thought 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:11.360 provoking radio coming up to bring in. Steve Levy handled 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:16.000 the studio hosting duties last night with Messia and Kevin 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:20.239 Weeks and leaves his back on the program. Who should 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:22.479 have we been rooting for last night? 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:28.000 So me personally, I have a soft spot for Buffalo 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:32.400 in my heart. Going to Suni oswego Upstate New York, 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.760 all my buddies are Buffalo guys, and it's just it's 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:39.160 just a great sports market. I think it surprises people 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:42.279 the Buffalo Sabers for the lack of success. They're always 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:46.760 like top two in local TV ratings for their hockey team. 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:49.120 And even when the Bills weren't good, dan when they 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:52.200 were five hundred, like the old Rich Stadium was still 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:55.640 filled every single every single game. I just feel so 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:59.719 badly for those people. Look, Montreal hasn't won in forever either. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.640 It's great to have new Blood Original six. Everybody knows 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:06.039 the logo, but there's a part of it was really 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:09.599 rooting for Buffalo and they were the superior team last night. 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:11.280 They deserved a better feit. 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:14.080 Do you think Canada is rooting from Montreal. 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:16.680 No, it's not like that in that country. 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:17.880 It's weird. 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:21.640 I can't explain it. The Oilers make the Cup, you know, final, 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:23.520 two years in a row. Everybody in the East can't 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:27.080 stand them. And when Vancouver got in against Boston, Montreal 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:30.719 and Toronto hate them like they are not a United 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:34.960 country when it comes to hockey. But the province of Quebec, 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:38.479 the scene outside the arena there when they play is 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:41.960 like no other in the NHL, and to be you know, 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:44.000 the last couple of years got to go to Edmontony 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:47.200 with Messia, which is pretty cool walking around. And if 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:49.440 Montreal could get back to the final, going there with 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:52.760 PK would be pretty neat. And so you know, I'm 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.960 about the experience, Dan, I really root for the cities 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:58.440 in which mess PK and I will have the best time. 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:03.320 That's how I of course you did. Yeah, Well, how 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:04.400 good is Carolina? 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:07.280 They're really good. 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:11.480 They're an interesting sort of odd team, Dan, Like, you know, 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:13.600 they're the best team in the East. They were in 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:15.840 the regular season and people want to talk about the 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:19.080 easiest path they've had, you know, Ottawa and Philadelphia and 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.760 the sweeps. Well they earned it. That's the idea, right, 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.839 That's how it's supposed to be. The regular season should matter. 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:26.599 You're the best team in the East, you get the 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:28.800 easiest path to the Cup if you will, and so 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:32.800 but they don't have This is really odd. Like they're 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.880 a great team that they're a great collection of talent. 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:38.680 I'm not sure they have any Hall of Famers on 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:43.360 the team. I'm not sure they have any superstars on 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.760 the team. And the other teams remaining. You could make 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:49.120 the art the three other teams remaining all sort of 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:52.520 do you know, so it's odd, but collectively they are 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:55.640 a great team. Rod Brindamore is a great coach, and 0:06:55.720 --> 0:07:00.600 in a league where home ice advantage is virtually meaningless. Uh, 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:03.360 I think Carolina has a real home mis advantage. 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:06.800 But then you have the ABS as well, and the 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:11.200 scoring outburst that they've had compare. I know we're jumping ahead, 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:14.400 but the ABS to Carolina very chalky. 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:16.480 You know, the two of the two top seeds there, 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:18.840 and that's those are the easy choices to pick, and 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:21.840 that would be a that would be a fascinating series. Look, 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:25.800 I'm not sold on on Colorado's goaltending. They've they've flipped 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:29.040 looped back and forth much like Buffalo did. And it's 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:31.920 really you know, Messier reminds us this all the time, 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.720 Like to this point, all the games, all the action. 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:38.240 They're only halfway there. They're halfway. 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:40.520 You know, you still gotta win two more series, and 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:44.320 so you know, Jared Bednor has some decisions to make. 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:46.880 And Wedgewood and Blackwood, we make fun of the last 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:49.720 names and everything, the similarities there, but I'm not sure 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:52.720 they know and and maybe they can ride both guys, 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:55.880 but we'll have to see about that. So but that 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.880 has to be concerned. And and Cale McCart doesn't look 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:01.119 to be himself Dan and that, you know, that's probably 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:05.320 the biggest fact. They're all world bordering on all time defenseman. 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.680 When his career has done, I mean, he's he's got 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:09.400 all the credentials to this point. If he has a 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:11.280 long career, he'll be one of the all time greats 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:14.680 in my opinion. But he didn't look right against Minnesota 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.280 that I've had a lot of time off here. He 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:19.000 was still okay, he was still pretty good, but he 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:22.040 wasn't dynamic cal mccarr who can really take over a 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.360 game by himself. So I think the point is Colorado 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:27.200 has some questions, and I don't really have any questions 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:30.800 about Carolina. You know, Freddie Anderson is the goaltender. When 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:34.400 he's been available, he's always been really, really good, and 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:35.360 he's good right now. 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:39.400 Talking to Steve Levy. ESPN's coverage of the Western Conference 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:43.439 Finals starts Wednesday, seven thirty eastern with leaves Mark Messier 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:49.040 PK subin Game one at eight eastern. Does Messia tell 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:50.520 stories when you guys aren't on the air. 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:55.880 He's really good off the air too. Yeah, we have 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:56.520 a good time. 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.360 He's such a fascinating guy. Like the way he breaks down. 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:04.280 It's like, it's not TV sexy. It's not sexy in 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:08.120 our business right because it's the neutral zone face off, 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:11.920 which you can't highlight. But in Messier's mind, that's what 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:15.640 wins hockey games. It's the first pass out of the zone, 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:19.080 the little things. It's not the flash and dash. And 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:23.240 so Mark always pays such great attention to the detail 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:27.600 and the stuff inside the dressing room to embrace the 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:31.199 pressure buffalo. For example, last night, you know, they really 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:33.400 struggled at home, so they tried to flip it. They 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:35.560 stayed in a hotel at home, which a lot of 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:38.080 teams don't do right early on in the playoffs, maybe 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:40.760 the final. And mess told the story that in ninety 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:44.200 four Mike Keenan offered the Rangers the same exact thing, 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:48.280 and when they came back from Vancouver for Game seven, 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:52.120 and mess said, no, we want to be home. We 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:54.839 want to get away from the rink. He said, as 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:57.640 a group, he decided. I'm sure that was Messier deciding. 0:09:57.280 --> 0:09:57.760 For the group. 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:00.679 When you're the greatest living captain with sports. You get 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:04.520 to make those decisions, and so that's his thing. Embrace 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.680 the moment. If you're afraid to speak about it, you 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.520 probably can't win it too so but it's cool to 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:12.840 be around. I do pitch myself every once in a while, 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:15.240 you know, I get a random text at one am 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:17.600 and you're watching the Calgary power play here, and I'm like, 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:18.720 and I. 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.840 Want to call my buddies. You know, Mark Messi is. 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.520 Asking me if I'm watching the Flames power play, you know, 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:24.800 in November at one am. 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:25.960 So that's pretty cool. 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:29.040 Better Captain Messi a or Derek Jeter. 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:35.400 Listen, only one and more C on their sweater or 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:39.720 jersey if you mess to me again. Arguably the greatest 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:42.160 captain in all of sports. I gotta think he's the 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:44.920 greatest captain in hockey. I'm gonna go messy. I'm sure 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:47.320 Gina did a great job too. But baseball and hockey 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.920 captain c seem to be very different. You don't see 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:55.280 a lot of captain type activities in baseball. In hockey, 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:57.920 it's it's a massive deal, as you know, especially you 0:10:57.960 --> 0:10:59.120 know in a place like New York. But he was 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:01.319 the captain everywhere. He was the captain in Edmund Today 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:03.719 after Gretz left see for the captain of Vancouver for 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:04.600 a short stint too. 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:08.440 The face of the NHL, like we're talking about Victor 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:11.960 Weinbnyama at age twenty two, is becoming the face of 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:19.760 the NBA hockey has periodically had faces, nobody quite like Gratz. 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:24.400 But who is the face of the NHL like. 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:27.040 Today or you want to see in like five years 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:30.880 from now, like because today I think it's probably still 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:35.319 Sidney crossbying Alex Ovechkin, But in five years from now, 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:40.559 maybe three, Macklin Celebrini what he's done in San Jose. 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:43.800 So he's over there at the at the Worlds for 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:47.920 Canada and he's wearing the captain C and they added 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:51.319 Sidney Crosby later, and you know, celebrity still got that 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:54.200 on a sweater. So I think it's Macklin Celabrini. It's 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:56.199 been great for the league, Dan, what he's done. He's 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:58.360 put San Jose back on the map kind of thing. 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:02.520 The Sharks really exciting, really fun to watch. And back 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:04.439 in the day when you and I were growing up, Dan, 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:07.240 the Shark tank was the place to be like that 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:09.720 might have been the loudest arena in the NHL. 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.120 Mitch Marner's doing some fun things. 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:16.719 Yeah, don't say it too loud because they might hear 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:19.920 you in Toronto, and they are still very sensitive about 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:20.920 what's going on there. 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:21.160 Man. 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:23.960 They let him get away, and I had a guy 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:27.880 just blasting me on the radio up there. He counted 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:31.120 it was interesting, he said in the previous Again, they've 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.720 got a lot of categories right to make their argument 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:39.120 in the last twenty five games of Mitch Marner's Leaf's career. 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:41.720 But he's only counting games five, six, and seven in 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:46.000 the playoffs Dan and only goals, not points, all right, 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:48.480 So there's a lot there. And he had just won 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.040 in the twenty five games, and of course now you know, 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:53.360 if Vegas does anything, he could win the con Smith 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.240 as a playoff MVP. Look, he didn't have the supporting cast. 0:12:56.800 --> 0:13:00.960 Vegas has supported him correctly, but definitely they heat or 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:04.760 the media heat or public heat. Playing being a local 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:07.280 boy in Toronto as playing supposed to play in Las 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.920 Vegas is very different, despite that it's one hundred and 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:10.920 one degrees in Vegas. 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:11.640 Different. 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:14.959 If Mark Messier and PK suban fought, who do you 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:16.439 have today? 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:22.319 Yeah, I'd be really close two days ago. It's Messia 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:26.640 for sure, because that PK will take her shirt off 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:28.840 for no reason. By the way, he is very happy 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:31.880 to do that. And PK, you know, every day is 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:34.080 leg day and he's all bumped up all the time 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.160 and tells you like the first I'll be hey, PK, 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:36.680 how you do it? 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:38.320 He goes, I worked out today. I didn't ask you. 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:41.199 If you worked out today. You know, Uh, PK's in 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:44.200 tremendous shape. But mess gives you that stare. He crinkles 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:47.480 up the far ahead, you know, and the eyebrows. And 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:49.360 I wouldn't want to mess with Mark Messier. 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:54.040 No, it feels it's weird how guys get labeled underrated, 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:59.240 and maybe we're we're overrated by underrating people. It's like, 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.000 you know, I always thought Kareem was underrated. You know, 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:05.240 there's certain athletes that they did things. I don't think 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:08.320 we really understood the context of what they did. And 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:11.160 I always thought Messier was kind of in Wayne Gretzky's shadow. 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.000 I mean, he played on one of the greatest teams 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:17.040 of all time. I'd love for you to compare Edmonton 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:21.280 when they had that dynasty to the Islanders dynasty. 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:25.480 Better team brought that up first. A Mess is so 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:29.040 modest when it comes to Gretz. He defers to Wayne 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:33.080 all the time. And again, Mess is a top five 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:36.200 all time player. I think I think he's still third 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.480 in points and only because Yagler. 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:39.800 Played till he was fifty or whatever. 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:40.040 You know. 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:45.920 Yeah, those Oiler teams against the Island team. So my 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:48.960 four years in high school were the Islanders four Cup team. 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:50.760 Of course I was the only Ranger fan in high school, 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:53.280 but that's a different story. That was an awful existence. 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.720 The Islander teams were the best teams I ever saw 0:14:56.760 --> 0:15:00.160 because they could do everything. They could score at will, 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:02.320 and they could beat the crap out of it two 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:04.960 and still had the best clutch goalie of all time 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:08.240 for my money, in Billy Smith. And of course, the 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:13.280 Islander dynasty was right before the Oilers dynasty. And it's 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:16.240 a famous story that Mess tells and Gretz too. The 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:19.400 first year, that last year before the Oilers won, they 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.480 lost to the Islanders and the Oilers are walking out 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:25.600 of Nashall Coliseum and they have to pass by the 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.560 Islanders dressing room and the Islanders just won the Cup, 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:32.800 and they saw the mess that the Islanders were physically, 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:36.560 the pain, the blood, the bones, I mean that kind 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.440 of stuff. And the Oilers, to a man say to 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:42.200 this day that they walked by and saw the cost 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:47.120 what it really takes physically and mentally to win, and 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:50.120 that that lesson sort of stayed with them and that 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:52.560 helped propel them to their run another following season. 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:56.240 Good stuff leaves. Thanks for joining us as always. 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:58.120 Happy belated birthday brother. 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:00.400 Thank you your hair looks eight two. 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.080 You know it's different color than it used to be. 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:07.680 Dan, It's still there though you have it. Though it's 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:11.720 okay to changer's colors. I'll take it if it stays 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.440 there instead of not having any. But thanks you. 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:17.000 No fringe, whatever it is, you got it. Thanks pleading. 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:20.440 That's Steve Levy of the mother Ship and coming up 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:23.480 on Wednesday night at seven point thirty eastern, it'll be 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:26.960 coverage to the Western Conference Finals Steve, Mark Messier and 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:31.280 PK subin Game one follows at eight eastern. 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Listen to The Fifth Hour with 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:11.320 Ben Mather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:12.240 you get your podcast. 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:15.040 Reggie Miller on the call last night's opening game of 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:18.879 the Western Conference Finals, and he was there with Mike Trico, 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:22.320 Jamal Crawford. Game two tomorrow night, tip off eight thirty 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:26.560 Eastern on NBC and Peacock. I'm full of hyperbole this morning, 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:32.880 reg Victor Wembenyama is the best player in the NBA. 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:35.520 You probably would be correct. 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:40.240 Look, we are in the final four of our league, 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:46.479 the conference final, and this is the matchup everyone's been 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:50.320 wanting to see. You know, one versus two to sixty 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:54.520 two plus win teams, all the hype that came into this, 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:59.199 the Spurs being successful versus the defending champs all season 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:04.720 winning four or five. You've got the MVP SGA accepting 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:09.560 his second trophy. You've got the unanimous Defensive Player of 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:15.040 the Year Victor wimbin Yama. So you know, two planets 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:19.080 colliding towards one another, and you saw an epic game one. 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:24.199 Okay, how do we not overreact to this? And you 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:27.320 can look at it from both ways that OKAC struggled 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:32.400 against San Antonio during the regular season, Wemby Welsh relishes 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:37.080 this matchup with chet SGA didn't play well. They you know, 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:41.119 Caruso played great, and you know so in all for not, 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:44.840 Dylan Harper appears to be on the verge of being 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:49.280 something as well. So talk me back down. You know, 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:52.240 if I'm overreacting to what I saw in game one 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:54.560 now doesn't mean okay, see can't win the next four. 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:57.600 I'm just saying, from what I've seen in what I 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:01.359 saw last night, this is going to be obviously entertaining, 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:02.760 maybe seven game series. 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:07.919 I'll start from the thunder standpoint. It's one game and 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:12.280 it's game one. Let's just flash back to last year's finals. 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:16.000 Tyrese Halibert hit a shot at the buzzer in Game one, 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.479 Pacers golb won nothing. The Thunder ended up winning that 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:22.800 series in seven. So you can't get too high too low. 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:26.960 You mentioned some of the highlights. Yes, SGA struggles. He 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:29.240 did have eighteen in the fourth, but a lot of 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:32.400 those came from the free throw line. He was facing 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.360 a wall, a wall of black jerseys everywhere he went. 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:36.119 He struggled. 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:39.879 I think the only bright spot offensively for the Thunder 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.240 was Alex Caruso, a guy who comes off the benchie 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:46.800 at thirty points and eight threes. But the Thunder they 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:48.560 missed a lot of wide open shots, a lot of 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:51.119 wide open threes, and that's kind of been on point 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:54.359 of why they've been unsuccessful versus the Spurs this year 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:57.840 has been they haven't been great from that three point line, 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:01.160 which is one of their strengths. They can correct that. Yes, 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.080 Game two could be a different story if Fga gets 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:06.960 hot and if some of those guys are making threes, 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:09.960 like Aaron Wiggins came off the bench and missed three 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:12.320 wide open threes. So they've got to be more efficient 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:16.000 in terms of shooting the basketball when they're gonna double 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:18.840 the triple team SGA and take. 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:19.760 The ball out of his hands. 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:23.480 For the San Antonio side, we came in and did 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:27.240 what we were supposed to do. We were shorthanded without 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:32.240 the Aaron Fox, our point guard who's probably argued the 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:36.080 second most important player on the team, and Dylan Harper 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:40.600 a rookie. A rookie inserted into the starting lineup and 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:43.520 was as cool as the other side of the pillow. 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:47.480 He was unbelievable in moments down the stretch his defense. 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:52.960 If he was anticipating, I said, he looked like Dion Sanders, 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:55.520 you know, free safety And on a couple of those steals, 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:59.000 he was superb. And of course the highlight of the night. 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:04.200 When I talk about this time of year, you're picking 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:07.399 up casual fans now because you're this close to getting 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:10.720