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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club Morning.

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Speaker 2: Everybody is the j Envy Jesse, Larry Charlamage, the guy.

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Speaker 2: We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in.

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Speaker 1: The building, the legend Rizza. He's your back bound back

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Speaker 1: in the building. How you feeling, brother, I feel super great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, everything is lovely. I see you guys are

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Speaker 2: back on tour.

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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, Wu Tang Clan. The Final Chamber.

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Speaker 2: How difficult was that to put together?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's uh not as difficult as it

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Speaker 1: used to be, you know what I mean, but now

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Speaker 1: this is our last chance to run around the globe together,

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Speaker 1: and uh yeah, it kind of was. Everybody you know,

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Speaker 1: agreed that it was the time we started thinking of

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Speaker 1: a name. Everybody's like this one that that that the

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Speaker 1: Final Chamber And with that we are Why the Final

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Speaker 1: Chamber though, Like, how do you know you're putting the

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Speaker 1: period on this? Is it just for the tour just

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Speaker 1: Wu Tang in general? Oh? No, for the Wu Tangs's

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Speaker 1: why that's why we see that. We put that Wu

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Speaker 1: Tang forever in there, because it's you know, who tank

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Speaker 1: is beyond just our physical presence of it, you know,

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Speaker 1: what I mean. But far as us coming together and

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Speaker 1: coming to your city, all non members on stage, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. You know, when you get your ticket,

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Speaker 1: you're getting all that. You're getting that, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, because sometimes you go to a Woo show

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Speaker 1: you might get four five, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So it's just like now here, we all are clear

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Speaker 1: your schedule for this, you know what I mean, And

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Speaker 1: it's running around the globe one more time together. So

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Speaker 1: we'll start right here in America, give it to you know,

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Speaker 1: then shoot across the water, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: show some love and just you know, kind of the

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Speaker 1: best way I can say it is take off that

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Speaker 1: it's kind of a burden to all come together because

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Speaker 1: everybody got a life, a job, or something going on

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Speaker 1: in their lives. And so what we said when that

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Speaker 1: that sign go up, we all come and the sign

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Speaker 1: went up, and everybody said, did the Residency make it

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Speaker 1: easier for everybody to say, Yo, we can do this

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Speaker 1: the residency health But even at the Residency we have

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Speaker 1: some absentees, you know what I mean. But it really

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Speaker 1: helped because it really helped just that consistency of coming together,

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Speaker 1: the consistency of our brotherhood. Our brotherhood really never never

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Speaker 1: diminished over the years. And I think for Wu Tang

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Speaker 1: we represent community unity. You gotta that's that's you know,

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Speaker 1: so many of us was inspired by Ya the Woo.

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Speaker 1: It's like, you know, your whole neighborhood on stage, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I think that we could

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Speaker 1: use that right now. I think you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: like even autistically for the for the culture, you could

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Speaker 1: come in and look at the example of the wool. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so the time is now, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Does it financially makes sense? And the reason I asked

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Speaker 2: said all eight members, you got DJs, you got everybody

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Speaker 2: comes to at least one person security or whatever that means.

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Speaker 2: So that's a lot of money to put out. But

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Speaker 2: you know, Wu Tang is always, you know, for the hood.

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Speaker 2: So I'm sure you guys are not charging astronomical prices.

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Speaker 2: So financially, was it a financial thing? Is one of

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Speaker 2: those things? Was like, we just need to do this

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Speaker 1: Oh, the finances. The finance is so beautiful because if

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Speaker 1: you take a moment right just be and think about

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Speaker 1: the Wu Tang legacy and think about how many families

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Speaker 1: it's eating off of that legacy, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about thousands, right. That legacy has went on

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Speaker 1: from the music to sparking other em c's to figure

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Speaker 1: Now gonna so. And then when you go on a tour,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean our tour. You know, I just

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Speaker 1: crazy to tell you, and then all the trucks. You know,

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Speaker 1: the production for this tour is crazy. We took time

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Speaker 1: the beauty of it in all reality. What's the differ

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Speaker 1: that's a good question. I think, like as many you

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Speaker 1: of of you know, sex, drugs and rock and roll. Right,

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Speaker 1: But now you know, you're you're, you're, you're moving with maturity,

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Speaker 2: I've seen in an interview that you said you went

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Speaker 2: was able to give everybody that. How difficult was that?

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Speaker 2: And was there anybody that you couldn't give what they wanted?

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Speaker 1: Now, at the end of the day, you know, you gotta,

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Speaker 1: You're leaving with you your routine of life. And so

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Speaker 1: I mean far as the intention, right, it's all about

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Speaker 1: intention and the intention. Everybody is intending to be here.

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Speaker 1: So if there's the glitch in the matrix, you know,

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Speaker 1: he so that that's just ironically it is coming out

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Speaker 1: But you know that's it. It's him doing it is

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Speaker 2: Who was the most difficult to get to do this?

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Speaker 1: Right, you got Meth.

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Speaker 2: That's acting, you're acting and producing. You got Ray Corn

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Speaker 1: Who was the most difficult to get?

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Speaker 1: Jesus he's like a jazz musician, yo, like his skep.

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Speaker 1: It's like you call him yo, want to do the

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Speaker 1: he just I mean he stays that Liquids Forward album

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Speaker 1: time too, it's just go go. So you got to

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Speaker 1: and I think he helped bring freedom the hip hop expression. Yeah.

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00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: They used to talk about uh. They said Ji used

427
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: to write for Dirty sometimes that's true. Yeah, I'm like,

428
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 1: how do you write for dirty? Well that's what called

429
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 1: because we're cousins, right, so that's always That's like at

430
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,880
Speaker 1: that table. We used to go to the Jizzer house.

431
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: You know, this is poverty days, justin may have just

432
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 1: you know, one box of old mill and we'll go

433
00:22:54,760 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 1: get some kaiser buns you know New York, that stander Baby,

434
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,160
Speaker 1: and we're still stay there for three days on oat

435
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: milon kaiser buns, just making pause tapes and write and

436
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 1: writing songs, you know what I mean. Like so even

437
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 1: when it says when the MCS came deliver, we made

438
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: that when we was like fourteen fifteen and what we

439
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: was doing liquids spars, I was like, yo, let's do

440
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: that old routine we did at the table and that

441
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: pause tape and we did it and Bong Bong, you

442
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: know what do you do you ever.

443
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 2: Remember those records that you lost in the flood. Did

444
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 2: you ever get any of that or we're able to

445
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 2: produce that over or any of that at all?

446
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: Nothing ever came back like it like it was. Actually,

447
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned that, Envy. We're gonna there's a

448
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: uh we're building this time capsule for the tour, and

449
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna invite our fans, you know, to come out

450
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: and somebody will win every night where you could take

451
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: something from your Wu nostalgia or your Woo history and

452
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: put it in this time capsule and we all know

453
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna put it that it somewhere. I may put

454
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: it in the museum, but I'm going to collect something

455
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 1: from every you know, city, from somebody. But the first

456
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: thing I'm going to put in there, and I'm not

457
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: I'm kind of telling you that for the first time

458
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 1: because I was gonna surprise. I'm going to take those

459
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: discs that hadn't inspected Decks album. I'm gonna put it

460
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: in that time capsule and if somebody find it years

461
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: later and open it up and figure out that, you know,

462
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 1: the technology could get all that or whatever is on it.

463
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 1: Shock you don't have that now, there's no technology that

464
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: can get that now. It hasn't happened. We took uh

465
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 1: you know Deck's Matt. You know they they snuck a

466
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 1: few out and try to do it. You know what

467
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: I mean, because uh, it's on floppy disc yo. You

468
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: know what I mean. They took it to like to

469
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: the NASA people and then get it, you know what

470
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, he's the one who suffered the most

471
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: from that flood, right, I would say autistically, yes, you

472
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Economically everybody suffered. You know, it

473
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: was two floods. Like I don't know, I was just

474
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: I was. I just took it like noah, you know

475
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: what I mean, like wash all your shit away. I've

476
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: lost more in life than than I've shared. I'm out

477
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: of the lost phase. Got a good wife, you know

478
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: what I mean, who know how to keep keep life

479
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: organized for me and keep the balance. But before yeah,

480
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: I was definitely known for losing a lot of things.

481
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 2: Now, that one album I can't remember his name, that

482
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,719
Speaker 2: the gentleman bought. Did you ever get that album back?

483
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 2: Because I know there was a fight to get it

484
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 2: back did you ever get it back?

485
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: Not personally, but it's owned by a group of people

486
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: called Please to Dial, and it just it continues to

487
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: increase in value and have his own life. I mean

488
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: they bought it for like four million. Uh, and now

489
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: there's people talking about like a whole other thing of

490
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: what it could be. So it's kind of one of

491
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: those things to have a life of his own.

492
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 2: We ever gonna it or that's part of the deal

493
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 2: that they can never play it publicly.

494
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: Actually, I'm striving now at this phase since since we're

495
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: you know, at this age and kind of figure out something.

496
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing was there was like not to

497
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: be it can't be commercialized for eighty eight years, you know.

498
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: I mean, so it can't be sold, it can't be on,

499
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: can't can't be commercialized streaming service.

500
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: You could give it away. I told I told missus

501
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: Courli that in the beginning, I was like, yo, especially

502
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: just to give you a little backstory on that, I

503
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: met him before he became the most evilless man in

504
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: the world. I remember they had like the most evilest

505
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: man in the world. So I met him before he

506
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: became lex luthor. You know what I mean, Figure up

507
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: and you know, we sat down and he was telling me,

508
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: you know, he you know, I'm a wool fan. I

509
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: love fifty cent, I love hip hop of May Kwan.

510
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: You know some of some of his lyrics has made

511
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 1: me through business things. And he had a whole plan.

512
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: He was going to buy this Enigma machine. I don't

513
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: know if you know what the Enigma machines. Those are

514
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: the decoding machines they used to make uh in World

515
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: War Two when they had to figure out in fact

516
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: it led to the computer. So he wants to the

517
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: and all the turning papers. Who was the guy who

518
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: basically invented the computer? He was he was in the

519
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: WU album. He was like, I'm gonna get all these

520
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: things and he's gonna do something. I was like, okay,

521
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: what the you gonna do? But he had a plan.

522
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: Whatever he was going to do. Boom. And then when

523
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: he when went negative on him, like maybe a few

524
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: months later, I saw it on TV. I saw him

525
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: on the news. I said, I was telling him my wife, Yo,

526
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: that's the guy that'd be selling the album too. I

527
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't sell it to him. I said, oh no, it's

528
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 1: already like a deal. Even though it wasn't the money

529
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: didn't exchange hands. It was already a deal and was

530
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: in contract for him. So I was say, nah, I

531
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,959
Speaker 1: mean I sat down with him, I told him yes

532
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 1: and so so now that it's at the day that

533
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: he gets it and know he got a lot of

534
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: security everything, you know, and they kind of he had

535
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: some big dudes with him, and uh, I just said,

536
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: let me talk to him moment by himself committing kid,

537
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: He's still a kid to me, And I'm like, yo, listen,

538
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: if I was you, I was just get us a

539
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: way to the world, like do something good because people

540
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: were saying, like you're bad right now. He was like

541
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: just smiled at me and went worse. Yeah. So but

542
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 1: I think that that would be a beautiful thing if

543
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: if it was a way to give it or you know, yeah,

544
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: I just think it's it'll be nice to share it.

545
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: You know. If Wu Tang was starting to day, how

546
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: do you think the industry would treat a group like

547
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: Wu Tang. I think we'll still break through one we wasn't,

548
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: you know, remember we came through also like we would

549
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: rush in the building too. Now. So even though actually

550
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: think they built the building security because of Wu tang.

551
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure Remotle, you can walk into a label like

552
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: get in the elevator.

553
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 2: Now before there was no front.

554
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: You can just go right upstairs.

555
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, Now boy, you know what security downstairs and man, you.

556
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: Got all types of But it's like, you know what

557
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: I mean, black age, No, but no, no, I think

558
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: beyond all that, right, I think the talent. Man, look

559
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: at the kind of talent you got in the world.

560
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: You can see the talent. The proof of it is

561
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: just like even method Man's going to go ahead and

562
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: be a star. Ghost is going to go ahead and

563
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: be a star, you know what I mean. So it's

564
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: just like you couldn't I couldn't deny it. Expect the Deck,

565
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: who's up who don't get the credit as he should?

566
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: I think far as star level. I mean I won't

567
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: to say as far as star level because the fans

568
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: go crazy when he comes on stage, but I mean

569
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: far as within our industry, separating all those top names

570
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: we mentioned. Expect the Deck got some of the best

571
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: verses in hip hop history. It's not even close, you

572
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And it's just like, okay, so,

573
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: but that talent is right there. His talent is what

574
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: the first thing you hear when you hear woo, the

575
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: first thing you hear I smoke on the mic, like smoking,

576
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: Joe freezing you like and your meeting your ears? Oh wow,

577
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: who's this guy? And then you think it's over. Then

578
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: another guy comes in he got it going on, like

579
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: oh wow, who's this guy? So I think the talent

580
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: will always break through, just like just like when you

581
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: see other talents, uh in our industry right now that

582
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: just have something that you know, know, you know, you

583
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: know Tyler in the our future, Tyler the creator and

584
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: his whole crew. Like den I couldn't when Frank Ocean

585
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: album came out. He was like, oh yo, it was

586
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: just on me, Pete.

587
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 2: Now on this tour bus, will there be a studio

588
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: on the bus? I'm sure with your mind there will

589
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: be a studio on the bus.

590
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, actually there's a bush. So John Lennon, right,

591
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: John Lennon, his foundation has a bus called the John

592
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: Lennon Bus, which they use for a lot of education purposes.

593
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: And I had to travel with us on the last tour,

594
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna have a travel in this store. So

595
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: it's not only a studio, but it's like when you

596
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: use it. It helps kids in the cities and all that,

597
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: and they take it around the world and teach music

598
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: education and continue John Lennon's legacy. You know, imagine all

599
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: the people living life is one right, Yeah, John Lennon,

600
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: that was that was crazy. I want to ask you

601
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: about the Fourth Chamber versus spit okay, because it's so

602
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: relevant today because you talk about you know, government control,

603
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: economic inequality, medium manipulation, all of that. Where when you

604
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: wrote that, was that prophecy or was that what you

605
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: were seeing at the time? A little bit of both? Right?

606
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: As an artist, like like, it's easy to say, you

607
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: know right now, oh yeah, I have some prophecy, but nah,

608
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: but as an artist you post to tap in right,

609
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: It's like to be quite frank, everybody is an antenna,

610
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. The chemical is a biochemical

611
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: equation of your physical composition is receiving signals. You could

612
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: receive a thought right now from your man in la,

613
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Without this, this is kind

614
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: of a proof of us who grew up without having

615
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: this much power in our hands, Celliah, right, and that

616
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: it still sells all in your body, you know what

617
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: I mean. But as an artist, you get a signal,

618
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: you feel something. Some people say it woke them out

619
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: their sleep and they wrote songs. And yesterday heard Paul

620
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: McCartney say, yesterday he woke up. It was in his

621
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: dream and that song is forever, right. So I think

622
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: that I know that myself as an artist, I would

623
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: always just get hit with a joke of electricity and

624
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: I would just write. And so of course I was

625
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: studying at that time as well. You know, a tune

626
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: with mathematics. Mathematics don't lie, you know what I mean.

627
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: And it's just like some of the words just you know,

628
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: just just come to you and you gotta be grateful

629
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: and you let it out. And sometimes when you hear

630
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: yourself back, it's not even you're You're actually not. It's

631
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: like that recording is sometimes it's not you, you feel me.

632
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: It's almost like third person. That's why experience. That's why

633
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: I was like Dove Risa, like I mean, it's like

634
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: it's like it was it's a title, and even even

635
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: that name it came like that. It was like because

636
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: I was walking around Prince Rakin, Prince Rakin, it was

637
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,239
Speaker 1: like the son was like and I might I might

638
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: have had a good smoke that day. I mean, it

639
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: was like, yo, dove, risa, what is that? Right? But

640
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: if you look at my look at the letters, right,

641
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: the R is why Kim said, it's the eighteenth letter

642
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: and R is for rule or ruler, So it means

643
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: you got to start to rule yourself. But a ruler, right,

644
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: it's not just the action of oh, he's the ruler

645
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: of the country. You know. A ruler is a measurement

646
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: device that you much use to measure everything before you

647
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,959
Speaker 1: get into your square. Right. So now if I measure

648
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: everything first before I zig, when it's time for me

649
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: to zag, which could be going in the wrong direction,

650
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: I know I could always zig back and then that

651
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 1: as fa a law and that's that arm leg leg

652
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: arm head. And so in my life, I was like,

653
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: it was just time for me to be like I

654
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: asked to be the rissa. And then then my brother's

655
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: just like after we started moving, uh, moving our unit,

656
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: shout out the power, shout out to the vine, shut

657
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: out to Tarif. Before we start moving our unit, it

658
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: was like, yo, you the abbot, you know what I mean?

659
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: All right? That's so that's my title with the who

660
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: and the Abbot. But the universe gave me that title

661
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: the Rissa. So I wonder what you see now, like

662
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: when you see things like like ice raids, and then

663
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: you think about the Fourth Chamber verse and you was

664
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: like a hit was sent from the president to raide

665
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: your residents. You know, when you see stuff like the

666
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: coronavirus and stuff like that, you say, six million that

667
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,479
Speaker 1: was just that from the Buboni flu auto bowla virus.

668
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: You're just speaking about this plague that took over, Like,

669
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: what do you what do you when you see was

670
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: what happened over the years and you think about that verse,

671
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: what do you well, yeah, no, I'd be like yo.

672
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: At one point, it's like, yeah, the reality is the reality, right,

673
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: word time time, words take time to materialize, right m

674
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: so and so we're now we're talking probably listeners talk

675
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: about Noah. He they said he preached for like three

676
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: hundred years. It's telling people, y'all, look, we're gonna have

677
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: to build these arcs and get in the water and go.

678
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: And they're like, man, first of all, keep in mind

679
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: he's in the desert talking him I was gonna rain,

680
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: so nobody they can't believe that. But the time for

681
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: the world to be materialized. Is the process of going

682
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: from a thought to a gas, to a liquid to

683
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: a solid manifestation. Right, So you may say something today

684
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: that won't manifest hill later. And so some of those

685
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: lyrics are that. Right. Even more, I think if you

686
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: go into into this song, impossible, oh my god. So

687
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: even there, it's like, you know, my verse starts off

688
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: with fusion of the five elements, right, which is mental

689
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: and physical. Right, and this is before uh, you know,

690
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: the strong feminist movement. I was saying that, you know,

691
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: women are going to be more celibate. H They're not

692
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: going to be messing with us like that. You know

693
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Ah that something that life will becomes irrelevant.

694
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: But the benelovent king will communicate to you through your dream, right,

695
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: so the most how he'll hit you through your dream

696
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: and give you a mental picture be formed. And then

697
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: a laws heard it scene everywhere and you're around the

698
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: atmosphere thermis vest by the fear trappersphere. Can you imagine

699
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: from one single idea everything appeared here that they're be

700
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 1: like that was a single idea, but it took time

701
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: for all that to grow. Scientists say the Big Bang

702
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: theory they're talking about I took billions of years. You know,

703
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: it's been trillions of years for it to grow, right,

704
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: So a mental picture has been playing a lossow seeing

705
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: everywhere else. You know, let there be light, and the

706
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: light is here. So anyway, sometimes you as an artist, right,

707
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,959
Speaker 1: you know, you go back and look at science fiction,

708
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: and we watched Genie Roddenberry who created Star Trek, and

709
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: we're like, yo, wow, he had the flip phone. The

710
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: next thing, you know, the flip phone is in physical

711
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: existence versus being an artistic existence. Yeah, you know, it's

712
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: funny and you're saying impossible because when b Dot did

713
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: these Summer Reason these top ten best Wu Tang songs,

714
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: he had number ten Wu Tang and nothing to Fuck

715
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 1: With number nine, Win Awards, number eight, Mystery of Chest Boxing,

716
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 1: number seven, Reunited, number six, it's your number five, protecting

717
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 1: Neck number four? Can it be also simple? Number three?

718
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: Ice Cream? Number two? Time number one cream. We started

719
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: flaming them in the group check. We just just just

720
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: not a good list the list, but they're like very

721
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: commercialized right there. But we're saying, impossible is one of

722
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: those songs that should be on there? What do you

723
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: think of that list. First of all, well, no, the

724
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: list is up to the to the list maker, you

725
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

726
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 2: But but he gets that list from online. That's people

727
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 2: like that going is online. They hit him while he's

728
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 2: doing the live things, not just that.

729
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: And also that list might be the top ten streamers.

730
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, you go and check

731
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: the top streamers. But those are the commercialized list. Those

732
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: are the ones that are casual fans. Those are the

733
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: ones that they Yeah, those are the ones you better perform. Yeah, yeah,

734
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We come there, you better

735
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: hit us, hit us, and look the beautiful thing is

736
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: went towards cap came out of nowhere, remember that. I mean,

737
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: that's some time ago. But once again, talent. Nobody knew

738
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: that this guy, you know what I mean, We knew him,

739
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I knew that, y'all. He's

740
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: one of the dopes mcs on it on Staten Island.

741
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: While we was growing up, me and him always had

742
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: tapes together, like we had our tapes were circulating before

743
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: who had tapes, you know what I mean. That's why

744
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: he's like me and reservoir name punting in the tablet

745
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: under under under vets. We paid our desks for mad years.

746
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: He was like, we was already having tapes. The other

747
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: brothers was doing that thing. But he comes out of

748
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: the out of the now and uh you God brings

749
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: them to the crib and you know, boom. I was

750
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,479
Speaker 1: just happy to see him, you know, because capa Donna

751
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: is his name at first was original legit, I mean original, right,

752
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: So I was the original, you know what I mean.

753
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: And he was like, you know, his slang is ridiculous.

754
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: I mean he's like, you know Donna. J Bird thinks

755
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: that capp of Donna. I was like, it wasn't no

756
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: cap of Donna street on Staten Island. Yet like maybe

757
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: five years later there's like a cap of Donna name

758
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: got the I didn't. I didn't know what cap of

759
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: Donna was. Well, I think it's like it's like the

760
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: leader of of of of the of the Policethood or

761
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: something like that, you know what I mean. Yeah, because

762
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: there's a cap of Donna in the Catholic I think

763
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: in the Catholic religion there's something that's cap Donna. Yeah,

764
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: they had no drums, man. It was like a baseline

765
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: missing from winning war. Like when you turn it. No,

766
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: the drum, the drum, Yeah, the drums was filtered, was filtered.

767
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: The drums was filtered out with something. Something caused the

768
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: filter the phase and I left it. That was one

769
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: of those mistakes that you were talking about. Yeah, like

770
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: the filter phased out, and I was just like, I

771
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: just loved the verses and I love the energy of

772
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: the vibe of what was happening. But here's a man

773
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: that comes out, drops his thirty two bars it wasn't

774
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,959
Speaker 1: a sixteen, and goes on to become a gold artist

775
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: from one verse. He's just like I would give it

776
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: expect a z on Nas like he had one verse

777
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: on nas joint, goes on, goes on to become a

778
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: yeah yeah it comes on and become a historical hip

779
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: hop artist. MC Kwamega. He just had to mention no, yeah,

780
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 1: one love Love, come come home and got a record deal.

781
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: That's the that's the power of hip hop. Y'all. How

782
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: did you what made y'all let Cappadonna go so long?

783
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: Did he write it or he already have it? He

784
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: just went in there and did it and just keep it. Yeah,

785
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: he just eded out. He aired out. I mean, he

786
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: hit it out you can't when you you know, back

787
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: in the day when even now, I guess, when you're

788
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: hearing something and you just hearing it and it's just

789
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: you can't stop listening. It's like it's like when young

790
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: Doug and what's like his young Doug Gucci and I

791
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: think it's Travis on that song Floyd Floyd Mayweather. It's

792
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: a long song. Yeah, I rocked the whole song all

793
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: the way through this. They're just they're just going in,

794
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: They're just going I'm like, yo, I play that, I'm

795
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: headed home. But I mean I still played as long

796
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: as probably was five seven years old now, but they

797
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: aired it out. It's just like that's what it is.

798
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: When you hear something that airs it out. You can't.

799
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: You can't, you don't. Don't cut it.

800
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: Do you remember some of those legendary battles in the studios,

801
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: some of that you people might not know off that

802
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 2: you're there one day and this it might be this

803
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: ortist and this, and they just going back and forth

804
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 2: and it's disgusting but great.

805
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean far as Wool competition. One

806
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 1: thing I love about my brother is that it could

807
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: get all the way up to fuck you it could

808
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: get that tense and and everything's cool.

809
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: Who's the worst with that?

810
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: That always gets personal and it I mean you can

811
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 1: guess that you got yeah the grouch, the grouch come on,

812
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: because he's unfiltered. You don't give a fuck, you know

813
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 1: what I mean? And you know yeah, you know yeahay,

814
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: Dirty would have been like that too. Oh dirty, But

815
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: see what think about? No? The thing about Dirty though, right,

816
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: because Dirty was like that, you know what I mean.

817
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, man, dirty, yeah, but Dirty. I

818
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 1: think with him it was it was it was always

819
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: like I guess, like he's like like he'll yeo yeo, yell,

820
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: get you, get you hyped up, and then kiss you

821
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,479
Speaker 1: on your nose. You see what I mean. That's something

822
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: magical about that, you know what I mean? And so

823
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: so so for him, it's always like you can't help,

824
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: but like that's crazy. I love this dude, yo, you

825
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Well, uie, No, it wasn't no kiss.

826
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: It's like it's like it's like this and ship and

827
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: actually somebody else does he gotta slot slow it down?

828
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Who's that person? Who's who's

829
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: the It could be anybody like like I think Master Tiller, Uh,

830
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: I mean the knife member declinent. I think he's he's

831
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: he's he's always been, uh a balancer. Yeah, in fact,

832
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: shout out the Master Killer. He's working on a new

833
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: album called Balance right now. I think that also. I

834
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: think another MC once again. He just had those eight

835
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: balls on chest boxing, you know what I mean? But

836
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: yet mm hmm built the career. Who's your favorite m and?

837
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: Who think? I mean the Jizza is the is, the is,

838
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: the is the head man. You know, I argue with

839
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: people if you want to argue, you know, and especially

840
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: at that time, if you go and check the Jius

841
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: lyrics and his catalog the lyrics, I don't think you're

842
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: gonna find no other m C. You know that that

843
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: have given that compared to him lyrically. I mean I

844
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: put as my favorite MC, and and the way that

845
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 1: he approached the mic and and the things that he's done.

846
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: You think about label back then, Well, he's using every label,

847
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: but he's telling you a cohesive, clear story, you know

848
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: what I mean, with metaphors and wit and yeah, and

849
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: then he goes on to do it again with Fame,

850
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: and then he goes on and do it with Animal Planet.

851
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: You know when he did it with Animal Planet, which

852
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: was crazy because he just use all the football teams

853
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 1: and we're talking about how the Jaguars against the Lions,

854
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: and I was like, yo, that was like justus. He's

855
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: d but he takes him It might take him like

856
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: a year to write a verse like that. He won't

857
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: write it like like ray Hits, you hit the pin

858
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: and be done in an hour and it shit be

859
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: fly marvelous, fly shit, you know what I mean. The

860
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: just it's like he's still working on it, like he

861
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: got songs he's still been working on for ten years.

862
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: Because he won't. He won't say it if he done,

863
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: if he done something quick, he'll do it just because

864
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: he asked to do it. But that's not that's not

865
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: his best intention as an His intention as an MC

866
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: is to make it almost biblical or something like almost

867
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 1: like everything is. There's no filler, no words of feeling

868
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: the ideas.

869
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 2: You know, do we need another another Wou Tang type

870
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 2: group or person to break the mold? Like you think

871
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 2: about when Protecting that came out. That was so unlike

872
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 2: the mold that ever came out right. It was it

873
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: was no real hook. There was just versus. It didn't

874
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: even start with the verses started what you like, It

875
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 2: was just totally left, but it caught. Do you think

876
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 2: we need something like that to break the mold because

877
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 2: everything is starting to sound monotonous.

878
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you always need a fresh jold of energy. And

879
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna get it. Man. It's MC's or

880
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: artists right now, just that's in their college dorm, or

881
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: in their mom's crib or even in the in the projects,

882
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: you know, with better equipment than we had right with

883
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: his laptop or whatever, and they and they just they're

884
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: just cooking and they're gonna come and show us. I

885
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: also have a small prediction for hip hop, Like I

886
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: think that hip hop will get us. We'll get the

887
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: we'll get the it's like before we was. There's been

888
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: a lot of dratifying of gangsterism, right, I think hip

889
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: hop will now get artists that they don't they was.

890
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: They weren't drug dealers, they're not criminals. They've studied this art,

891
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: they've studied they lived hip hop in their form uh,

892
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 1: and they're going to bring a wave that won't feel

893
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: so threatening. And we had that And I'm not saying

894
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: that they wasn't from the streets, right, but think of

895
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: Dayla and Trip right, think of Black Sheep and km

896
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: D most think of most Death and Tyler, right. But

897
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 1: I was even going earlier than them because they come after.

898
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: It goes like that that they kind of most Definitely, Yeah,

899
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I feel like we just

900
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: had that though the last fifteen years. Really if you

901
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: think about it, because you think about the Kendricks, the Drakes,

902
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: the j Coles, the Willets, the Big Sean, the Chance,

903
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 1: the Rappers, the Raps, these like they not on that

904
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: they've been the top guys. And yeah, I guess you're right,

905
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 1: but but I'm still I think it's something else different though,

906
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: because they they they I still think it's more like,

907
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: how can I put it that it ain't just that

908
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: not from the streets, it's it's it's still another spoonful

909
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: of that's missing, like another spoonful of like the multi

910
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: layer Okay, the fashion of it. Right, So out of

911
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: those you name, who has the fashion the fashion I

912
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe I guess maybe maybe, maybe, I don't.

913
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 2: Know know, I mean, it's big fashion and influential. I

914
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 2: don't think any of those guys exactly as far as influence,

915
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: I don't think.

916
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: Only maybe a SAP definitely okay, But then a SAP

917
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: gives you the streets and the fashion, right you see.

918
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: I mean I'm talking about where it'll be. They can

919
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: they can fight it because they they've been training their

920
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: whole life, uh in some some uh some class. They

921
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: could play the instruments because they've been playing the instruments.

922
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: They got a college degree because their parents they don't

923
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: go to college. They love hip hop. They know they

924
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: could quote Slick Rick, you know what I mean, They

925
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: could quote Kendrick. You know what I mean, they could

926
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: do all of that.

927
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: Artists from the hood, but that's not hood, not not

928
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 2: gangs to win to college, got the degree, but study

929
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 2: hip and.

930
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: Maybe not from the hood. Maybe he's from the uh college,

931
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: that's definitely, that's right, right clods is that uh? But

932
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: they're not the fashion definitely not the fashion. No, no, no,

933
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: it's so I'm just saying, I think there's a generation

934
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: of him that's going to come through that that they

935
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: could have been as beautiful as an R and B

936
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: artist this use that right, as witty as a hip

937
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: hop artist, as focused as a I don't know, it's

938
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: is called a fashion artist, right and yet physically powerful

939
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: as ghost Face Killer. There's only one.

940
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 2: There's only one like that, Kanye. He's the only one

941
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 2: that's not from the hood, very fashionable, very influenced. He

942
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 2: was not spitting gangster, but he No, he.

943
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: Don't got the physical like he's not intimidating, but but

944
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: he but he is a pioneer of that particular that

945
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,720
Speaker 1: you gotta like Kendrick though for me, of course. Listen,

946
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 1: one of kendricks first samples on his early songs, it

947
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: was he sampled me and I cleared it for free,

948
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Say I keep that, you

949
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, And that's listen, he was

950
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: it just before he was about to go to the

951
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: top of the world. I just heard it. You know

952
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: he's spending it's the dope m C. Yeah. I gave

953
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: Kendrick the credit ten years ago. I mean, and uh,

954
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: and it's only gotten better.

955
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Run the Jewels is the perfect fit. But

956
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 2: but why did you choose Run the Jewels? Was it

957
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 2: something that you had him on the roll before.

958
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: I was Running jew We did a show with them,

959
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: We did two shows with them before and and and

960
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: this this may sound like they're like they're like, to me,

961
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 1: running Jewels are like raised against the machine. I think

962
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 1: about that for a moment. They are like, you know,

963
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: their lyrics and they're they're having fun of course, but

964
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: they're also politically conscious. Their fans are like diehard like

965
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: diehard Wolf fans. They and the energy we did. We

966
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: did two shows with him. It was like and we

967
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: was like, oh, Ship, you know what I mean. It's

968
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: like it's like it's like I didn't know how big

969
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: raising the machine was because I'm in my bubble. But

970
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: when I when when we was in Europe, there was like,

971
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: you should go see these guys. And I went and

972
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: saw them. I was like, oh, Ship, that's the energy

973
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: that I love. Yeah, this put those energies together. It

974
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 1: was the same thing with one of the Jewels. They

975
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: had twenty thousand going crazy, you know what I mean.

976
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: I was like, oh shit. Even though I know killing

977
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: Mike for years, you know, from his first gold album.

978
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: Uh you know, of course everybody loved Michael, but just

979
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: took Mike on too back in the day. Yeah, yeah, no,

980
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: Mike said that just a took him on to a game.

981
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: God by the game. Yeah, he said Jesus, He's he said,

982
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 1: just a pioneered them, just one of those dudes that really,

983
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 1: you know, sparked In's brand. But yeah, they did. This

984
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: is a this is a nice like I said, this

985
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: is a lyrical combination right here, and yeah, we talked

986
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: about it for almost a year and then bunk here

987
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: living it. What's the most underrated Wu Tang song that

988
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: you think deserves more love? And that when y'all performed

989
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: on tour, everybody just goes crazy. Well depending where you're at, right,

990
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: But I know one Wu Tang songs that definitely seem

991
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: like I don't think New York has ever even heard it.

992
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: Gravel Pit. Oh of course that was with the video y'all.

993
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: Just like the Flintstones and all that. Yeah, yeah, exactly,

994
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: all the fur coats and all that. But man, overseas,

995
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: you could play it twice in the in the concert,

996
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 1: I love it, Yeah, but in New York play that,

997
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, somebody get mad that come on,

998
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: like go to somebody stop frowning at you? Like, yo, God,

999
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: who your math? Like doing my verse? Whether the video

1000
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: or just if you know what it was a it

1001
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: was a I think it was I think I was reaching.

1002
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: I was like, I attempted to make a song in

1003
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: the reserve way that was like poppy commercial radio. Yeah,

1004
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: but we never needed that, I know, but I didn't

1005
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,439
Speaker 1: know what the hi of the backstory of that song

1006
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: real quick, know that song was. It was it was

1007
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: meant for Leah. So Leah, we was in the studio,

1008
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about it and I said, I

1009
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: wanted to have this whole Flenchtone concept and have you

1010
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: dressed up like like Betty, Yeah, like pebbles, pebbles, but

1011
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: you know, because a little you know, such in great

1012
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,919
Speaker 1: shape and all that. And I just had this whole

1013
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: plan and she was to be like, yeah, we agreed,

1014
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: and it just you know, things went when Yeah, so

1015
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 1: she was gonna sing over that beat and everything. Wow,

1016
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: and imagine how on it yeah, because it was more

1017
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: dancey and I get what you're saying. Okay.

1018
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 2: Was there any other artists that you guys worked with

1019
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 2: that just never came to Fruition.

1020
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: X or not? I think not Wu Tang Clan itself,

1021
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 1: but I think, you know, all the members then blessed

1022
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 1: with everybody. But on the album called the On the

1023
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: W's the What's the album where it's the only Wu

1024
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: Tang album that was like, yo, let's let it. Let

1025
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 1: our brothers in some peers in so Bosters on itg

1026
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: Is on it, Snoopers on it, Batman is on it,

1027
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And those is you know

1028
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: Wo Cousins members. Yeah. Yeah. My last question man, you

1029
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: talked about the importance of discipline and self mastery throughout

1030
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: your entire career. Why is that so important for people

1031
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: to have in the industry now, because I feel like

1032
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: it's the lack of it. Yeah, definitely. You know, if

1033
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: you don't know the ledge like knowledge yourself, know the ledge,

1034
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: you're going to fall off the edge. And it's really

1035
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: as simple as that. You know, your health is your wealth,

1036
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: all the things. You know. Being the youngest fun so

1037
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 1: they come in our coming the industry. You know, they're young.

1038
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,879
Speaker 1: It's exciting, you know, I mean the blue pill, red pill,

1039
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: yellow pill, you know what I mean. And you know

1040
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: and and and you got and live. But you know,

1041
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: since everything is more potent, you know what I mean,

1042
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:21,399
Speaker 1: And everything is like, uh, before we could take ten

1043
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: years to take you out, could take you out now

1044
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: one year. That's that just like just like the information.

1045
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: Before it took forever to get the information. Now you

1046
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: could just press the button. It's the same thing with negativity,

1047
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: and so I would tell I was just shout out

1048
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: all my young artists out there or even mature artists.

1049
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: Definitely take time to build yourself, build your mind. Don't

1050
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: get too caught up in it, you know what I mean.

1051
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: Look at this as as as as your work as

1052
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: your love, but keep yourself and your family first. We

1053
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: had think you.

1054
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,479
Speaker 2: Appreciate you for joining us. The tickets are on sale

1055
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 2: right now, get your tickets.

1056
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: Appreciate you, Rizz, appreciate you too, brother. It's the Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 1: It's Rizzo Bong Bong. Wake that ass up Earth in

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Speaker 1: the morning. The Breakfast Club. M hm.