1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in hour number two, Monday edition 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: of the program. Appreciate all of you hanging out with 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: us as we roll through the program. Buck, I just 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: tweeted this out front page Monday edition New York Times 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: absolutely savages Kamala Harris, and we had a story from 7 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: the Washington Post. I believe it was last week that 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: did the same. And what I will just posit for 9 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: everyone out there is when your propaganda outlets, the New 10 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: York Times and the Washington Post, which are effectively mouthpieces 11 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: for the Democrat Party, when they are coming out and 12 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: completely and totally destroying the Vice President of the United 13 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: States in a front page article in each newspaper, it 14 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: is pretty abilitating for Kamala Harris. Now, I wanted to 15 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: read for you, Buck, a couple of a couple of 16 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: the quotes that were out there in this piece on 17 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris and let you kind of think about this. 18 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: This is in the New York Times front page article 19 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: on Kamala Harris today. The painful reality for miss Harris 20 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: is that in private conversations over the last few months, 21 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: dozens of Democrats in the White House, on Capitol Hill 22 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: and around the nation, including some who helped put her 23 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: on the party's twenty twenty ticket, said she had not 24 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: risen to the challenge of proving herself as a future 25 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: leader of the party, much less the country. Even some 26 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: Democrats whom her own advisers referred reporters too for supportive quotes, 27 00:01:54,360 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: confided privately they had lost hope in her. Through much 28 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: of the fall, a quiet panic set in among key 29 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: Democrats about what would happen if President Biden opted not 30 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:13,679 Speaker 1: to run for a second term. Most Democrats interviewed who 31 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: existed who insisted on anonymity to avoid alienating the White House, 32 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: said flatly they did not think miss Harris could win 33 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: the presidency in twenty twenty four. Some even said the 34 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: party's biggest challenge would be finding a way to sideline 35 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: her without inflaming key Democratic constituencies that would take offense 36 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: Buck That is a flamethrower on Kamala Harris from The 37 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: New York Times. It's the analysis that we've been giving 38 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: here for a long time now, which is they got 39 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: a problem in this Democrat party. It also goes to 40 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: why I have believed all along, and I know you 41 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: now agree, and this could also shift for both of 42 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,679 Speaker 1: us depending on events and how it all goes. Right. 43 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: Remember Trump was going to get an aid and that 44 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: was the whole plan with the documents, and then they 45 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: found a bunch of classified documents at Biden. So even 46 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 1: if it was the plan to indict Trump, events can 47 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: change where everything is going. But I think it's been 48 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: clear for a while that because and you can see 49 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: Clay in this New York Times piece, there's it's the 50 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: it's dripping with frustration right there. There's this sense of, 51 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: h come on, we wanted Kamala to be a better 52 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 1: vice president than she's been. Uh And and they're they're 53 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: airing this out. I do wonder why, like what the 54 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: New York Times always does things like this for a purpose. 55 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: Maybe they're just throwing a tantrum over it, but there 56 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: perhaps is a longer term political goal that you'd have 57 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: to look at here. But this is why along I've 58 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: thought it has to be Biden, because when you wargain 59 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: this out, you know, when you look at how the 60 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: different pathways this could go, Biden not running again means 61 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: there's an expectation that the vice president. Remember, he's a 62 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: sitting president, so the it's not like he's finished his 63 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: two terms and oh, let's have a primary and see 64 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: Biden stepping down and not running and not taking advantage 65 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: of the incumbency, and it not being commula to the 66 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: point being made here in the New York Times. You know, 67 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: the single most reliable Democrat constituency in the country is 68 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: black female voters. Yeah, they're the most they are from 69 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: an electoral perspective. They're the beating heart, they're they're the 70 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: center of the base of the Democrat Party. Black female 71 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: voters the first opportunity, real opportunity, the Democrat Party has 72 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: to elevate the first black female president, and they push 73 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: her aside for smooth talking slimeball Gavin Newsom. I don't 74 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: think so. I just think that that's too I don't 75 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: think they could come up with with smooth enough propaganda 76 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,559 Speaker 1: to explain that internally in the Democrat Party without without 77 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: a complete blowing up in their faces. I just I 78 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: don't see it. I think you're right. As bad as 79 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: Joe Biden's approval ratings are, as this article states, Kamala 80 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: Harris's approval ratings are worse, but this sentence. I just 81 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: can't get over how out of touch even are Kamala 82 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: Harris's advisors. Even some Democrats whom her own advisers referred 83 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: reporters to for supportive quotes, confided privately they had lost 84 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: hope in her. In the New York Times. I mean, 85 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: we're not talking about, you know, Bright Bart writing a 86 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: takedown piece of Kamala Harris. This is what should be 87 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: the base of Kamala Harris's support of viscerating her. Now. Now, 88 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: I think maybe a helpful way to look at this 89 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: is to understand the same way that when people people 90 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: ask me about the CIA, Clay and I say, you've 91 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: got to think of the CIA the way you'd think 92 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: of like a big States school. It's ask what's it 93 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 1: like or who's there? Well, are we talking about athlete? 94 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: It's a math majors? Are we talking about everything? You know? 95 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: It's so big. It's so big that it's just this 96 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: massive entity. And I think when you look at an administration, 97 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: we often have this view of, oh, it's the administration. 98 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: Now in a policy sense, there's some truth that obviously, 99 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: and I'll talk about the apparatus, all the little bureaucracies 100 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: and agencies and individuals at the top pushing forward an agenda. 101 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: But within each administration, Republican or Democrat, there are fiefdoms, 102 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: There are little little kingdoms within the kingdom, and there 103 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: are people who are working in those who for that 104 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: this is a professional choice they have made, meaning this 105 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: their own careerism comes into play. A president, a vice president, 106 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: You go to the vice president's office, you work on 107 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 1: the vice president's staff. Why so that generally speaking you're 108 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: gonna move on and work in a future White House directly, 109 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,239 Speaker 1: people generally don't want to know. The vice president's staff 110 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: is a means to an end for a lot of people. Professionally, 111 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: you do that so that you're on the launch pad 112 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: for the other, you know, the other, bigger job. You 113 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: know that you can you go from being the key 114 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: aid to the vice president to maybe a deputy White 115 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: House chief of staff or maybe you know, something like that. 116 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: And so I think that a lot of the people 117 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: who were promised, oh, go work for Kamala, you know, 118 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: working for Kamala's gonna be amazing and maybe maybe she's 119 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: going to be the next president, are just bitter. I 120 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: really think they're they're individually bitter about the professional choice 121 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: that they have made because she's not going to be 122 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: their ticket to the next big job. That's a good analysis. 123 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: Let me also blow your mind here. You're a history guy. 124 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: I was doing research on this in the last hundred years, 125 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: how many two term presidents have been succeeded by their 126 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: vice president? Because a lot of times out there. To 127 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: let me kind of set the context here again, so 128 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: many people out there say, you know, the vice president's 129 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: a heartbeat away. How often has it been the case 130 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: in the last hundred years in America that you have 131 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: a two term serving president who was then succeeded by 132 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: his vice president for his own term? Oh man, once 133 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: is the answer. Ah good, Jock always delivers. George Bush 134 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: Senior followed Ronald Reagan. And you know, you tried to 135 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: have it even recently, Al Gore, I was trying to 136 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: follow Clinton and and you certainly had, you know, a 137 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: situation Obama was not did not pick his vice president, 138 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 1: and now vice president has ended up in the office. 139 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: But the point is that catbird seat for the vice president. 140 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 1: This idea that you're going to catapult in if there's 141 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: not a death, or if there is not a debilitating 142 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: action that takes place to elevate you from the vice president. 143 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: It's pretty crazy to think about, right, Well, it's fascinating 144 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: when you see what happened with you know, the current president, 145 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: Biden was not able to leverage two terms as the 146 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: vice president to being the guy for the Democrats. We 147 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: all remember twenty sixteen. We all remember what happened. So 148 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: you really have a political rule here that being vice 149 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: president means you're on deck during your party's presidency. It 150 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: does not mean you are on deck in any meaningful 151 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: way after you know, a one or a two term presidency. 152 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: So you asked, what are they getting at? And I 153 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: think that's such the important question here, when when the 154 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: New York Times and the Washington Post Post are both 155 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: savaging Kamala. First of all, I think there is now 156 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: a clear unless Joe Biden basically has a debilitating health 157 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: attack in some point, it's running and there's not even 158 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: going to be a significant challenger. But I think what 159 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: they're already working towards is Kamala not as the face 160 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: of the party. Right, So Biden wins in twenty four 161 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: immediately the spin becomes there's no incumbent president what's going 162 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 1: to happen in twenty eight. As bad as Mayor Pete 163 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: has been, he hasn't gotten savage like Kamala Harris in 164 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: the press. As bad as Joe Biden has been. Kamala 165 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: Harris actually gotten savaged, I think worse than Joe Biden 166 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: in the press. Of anybody out there. She has the 167 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: lowest approval rating and the most savage redirected towards her. 168 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: I think it's because she's the next man up and 169 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: they're trying to ender and well. I also think that 170 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: there's the same way that there's bitterness from the staffers 171 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: around Kamala who went to work for her because they thought, 172 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: you know, that this was the law, and maybe it 173 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: still is for some of them. They'll work for a buden, 174 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: you know, term two or something. But you know, as 175 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: you know, in politics, you really attach yourself to the politician. Yeah, 176 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: and that people are picking teams when you when you 177 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: pick a politician, you are picking a team. Certainly true 178 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: when you're talking about a general election or a primary. 179 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: But but even within an administration, you know, the people 180 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: that work for Nicky Hailey for example, when she was 181 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: at you know US, when she was US Ambassador the 182 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: United Nations under Trump. Those the people that if when 183 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: she's running, you know, to try to be president for 184 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: the Republican side, are going to be around her. And 185 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: you know, we all understand how that works. I think 186 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: that there are a lot of journalistic like because Kamala 187 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: was the candidate of the CNN green room and elite journals. 188 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: She was the Jeff Zucker candidate. She was the if 189 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: you were somebody in LA or New York with a 190 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: lot of money and a lot of connections in media, 191 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: Kamala was someone that you were really in favor. It 192 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: wasn't Biden. It wasn't Biden really on Kamala was you know, Jeff. 193 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: I think Zucker, by the way, he was the president 194 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: of CNN before he completely destroyed that media entity such 195 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: that will never recover. He threw fundraisers for her. I 196 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 1: mean it was that level of that. You know when 197 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: I say I'm not just theorizing that she was his candidate, 198 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: she was his candidate, yes, um and uh and you know, 199 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: or he had attended fundraisers for her. But anyway, I 200 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: think that there are journals who are also who felt 201 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: like they they carried her to the role of vice 202 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: president and there in a little virtual because they're disappointed, 203 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: because they feel like their personal brands. They did all 204 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: this to put Kamalo in this position, and she hasn't 205 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: delivered in a way that reflects poorly on them at 206 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: some level. I'm just that's what I see here, because 207 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: when you have the New York Times and a bunch 208 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: of anonymous staffers trashing the vice president, not the only other, 209 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: only other thing for everybody to think about, is it 210 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: possible that Joe Biden could walk away from her as 211 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: his vice president? Because if you're getting her trash, remember 212 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: there was the talk about, hey, we're gonna put her 213 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: on the Supreme Court, will find another place to put her. 214 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: Is it possible that Joe Biden, Because think about this, 215 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: her ineptitude is actually going to be a major story 216 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four because Biden's gonna be eighty two. 217 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: Like it's always a matter of who you if you're 218 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: the heartbeat away. But it's not crazy to think that 219 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: Biden from eighty two to eighty six, if he somehow 220 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: got dragged across the finish line weekend, that Bernie's two style, 221 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: she might really matter way more than any vice president 222 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: ever has before, just based on his age, just tossing 223 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: it out there, is this giving him a little space 224 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: to contemplate tossing her off the ticket. And then I assume, 225 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 1: given the Democrat parties realities, you'd be looking at a 226 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: replacement for on the ticket who is also, yes, a 227 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: black female vice president. I think that would have to be. 228 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: And so then we all there's there's a short list 229 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: of people that you that would come to mind. Maybe 230 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: maybe this is what happens, But I just think they 231 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: try to push Look what they did, Clay, I always 232 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: returned to this. What they did in twenty twenty was 233 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: reckless and crazy, and somehow the guy became president. And 234 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: I mean that Joe Biden was the nominee, and they 235 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 1: pushed this doddering, old fool forward that everybody knows. It's 236 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: not very smart, it's not very ethical, it's not very 237 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: accomplished in any meaningful way. 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We'll see 273 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: whether or not we track him down or not. But Buck, 274 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: here's what I wonder now, what would happen if China 275 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: sent another spy balloon? Right? Like? What if they just 276 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: basically say, we have no respect at all for you guys. 277 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: You just shot down the one off the coast of 278 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: South Carolina? Is the new precedent in the Biden administration? 279 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: Given what just happened that the moment we've got him now, 280 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: I'll ask him this question. We appreciate being joined right 281 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: now by Chris Miller, served as Acting Secretary of Defense 282 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: under Trump. Former special Forces commander, green beret, first of 283 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: his generation to serve as a cabinet official responsible for 284 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: America in the security there and he was also director 285 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: of the National counter Terrorism Center. So when you see 286 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: this story about the balloon that so captivated everybody on 287 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: Friday and you are told, oh, this also happened under 288 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: the Trump administration, what's your reaction? Thanks for having me 289 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: on you, guys. I'm really honored. Unsinkable aircraft cary of 290 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: free speech. At least it's not a Chinese by balloon. 291 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: Thank good, No kidding? You guys got this right? Oh man? Yeah, 292 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: I'm hearing all this back and forth. I'm getting my 293 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: phone's blowing up, like, hey, did you know about these 294 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: dog one spy balloons? I can tell you definitively when 295 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: I was acting Secretary of Defense, I spent three or 296 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: four three years in the White House and various capacities 297 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: at the Pentagon. Never heard hide or hair of it. 298 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: Pretty sure I would have known if that happened and 299 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: the President wasn't informed, that's really really bad. So I'm 300 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: trying to get the story straight. I can't get the 301 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: story straight. Somebody needs to do it. That's you. That's 302 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: what you guys are going to do right. We're trying. 303 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 1: But as part of this though, I'm wondering if you 304 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: could help to the degree you're allowed illuminate this audience 305 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 1: all across the country with what the possible motivations as 306 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: you see them from the Chinese side, would be of 307 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: flying this kind of a balloon. I mean, we hear surveillance, Okay, 308 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: well what kind of surveillance? And why would the Chinese 309 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: risk this kind of diplomatic rift unless there was something 310 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: substantial in it for them? These are the questions that 311 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: we're getting asked ever since the story broke. Yeah, well, 312 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: I mean there you go. You guys kind of hit 313 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: it up early? Or is this h have we shown 314 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: weakness and we showed our belly to the Chinese because 315 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: the Chinese Communist Party and military flights, you know, fleets 316 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: of aircraft or Taiwan every couple of days and we 317 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: don't do anything. And then you know, with the debacle 318 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: in Afghanistan or the Chinese our questioning our motivations. But 319 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: you're here's what I wanted to say. Based on your question. 320 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: You got me frequency hoping there because there's so much 321 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: going on in my brain about this right now. But 322 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: you know, when you talk about why would they do this, 323 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: probably my bet if they ever recovered this, it was 324 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: probably for electronic They were trying to collect information on 325 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: our radar systems and all our electronic warfare stuff and 326 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: probably some sort of sensors like that. So then then 327 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: they know what frequencies were on and all that sort 328 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: of stuff, and then that can help them plan, if 329 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: they plan if they ever want to attack. All right, 330 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: so again you say you never heard anything out these 331 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: Chinese spy balloons being in the American airspace before. It 332 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like there was a precedent established. But my 333 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: first thought, and when Buck and I were talking about 334 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: it on Friday, is when I hear Chinese spycraft entering 335 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: into American airspace, my first thought is we should immediately 336 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: shoot it down, you know, potentially in Alaska where by 337 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: and large there are lots of areas that have no 338 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: population to speak speak of. What do you think would 339 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: happen now if they tried to enter United States airspace again? 340 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: What should happen? And do we think that NORAD would 341 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,239 Speaker 1: know almost immediately if this occurred again? How would you 342 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: assess that you guys, what great questions. Yeah, I'm doing 343 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: the same thing you did. I'm like, I can sort 344 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 1: of read a map still, it's been a few years 345 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: since I actually was before Campbell Kentucky having to carry one. 346 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: But you're like, oh, it flies over the illusions. There's 347 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: a lot of space in there to do something where 348 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: they could have brought it down if if I could 349 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: frequently hop on you. Here's my issue. You know, we 350 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: spent eight hundred and fifty billion dollars in this most 351 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: exquisite military in the history of the world, and we 352 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: don't have the capability to bring down, you know, say, 353 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: like under our control this dog one spy balloon that's 354 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: just kind of drifted them along. I think that's a 355 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: bigger issue right there. But gosh darn, I think I 356 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: think our air defense radars have to be pretty fine 357 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 1: tune now looking for something to come in. Gosh darn, 358 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: we can't. We can't let this one happen again. I mean, 359 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: we just looked it's good content for Saturday Night Live. 360 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: You guys know that the memes are great, but it's 361 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: kind of an earthment as an American, isn't it. We're 362 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: speaking of Chris Miller, who was a former Special Forces 363 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: commander and served as acting Secretary of Defense under President 364 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and Chris on the Just for clarity sake here, 365 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: So when when those news reports came out that said 366 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: there were three balloon incursions under the Trump presidency, was 367 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,360 Speaker 1: you said you to know about them? Do you think 368 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: that was just a lie? Or are they just lying 369 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: to try to cover for Biden's behind? Here? What's going on? 370 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: I can't keep up. It seems like the story changes 371 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: about every five minutes. Well, actually, we didn't know until 372 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: after the fact. It's this crazy copa esque sort of 373 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: description that I can't figure out. It looks like now 374 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: the Biden administration has recognized that, well, there could have 375 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: been some spy bullmans come over, but we didn't know. 376 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: We the Trump administration didn't know till after the fact. 377 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: I didn't have any of that information. And I gotta 378 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: tell you, I'm pretty confident that the President Trump was 379 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: faced with that, he would have taken direct action right away. 380 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: We're talking to Chris Miller, acting Secretary of Defense under 381 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: President Trump. So going forward, you say, maybe they're trying 382 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: to gain some information on existing American American assets. That 383 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: was the reason that they would send this balloon across. 384 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: Also seems likely they would have known that it was 385 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: going to be discovered, given the fact the amount of 386 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: time that they spent in America, the fact that it 387 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,719 Speaker 1: was actually just visible to the naked eye from the 388 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: ground in many different states. Did you have any fear 389 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: yourself that this might be booby trapped, equipped with some 390 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:26,360 Speaker 1: sort of dangerous device inside. Could it have been a 391 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: test to allow that to happen in the future. How 392 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: would you assess, in other words, that the idea that 393 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: this is not just spycraft, but it could be in 394 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: years ahead, something that is used to actually deliver dangerous 395 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: consequences of a militaristic past and possibility going forward. Hey, 396 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: you guys, remember right after the start of World War Two, 397 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: this fire blends the Japanese imperialists dropped on the forest. 398 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 1: So we talked about that. Buck wiped it up. Yep, Yeah, 399 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: you guys, I knew you had. I knew you had. 400 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: You guys, you're all over this. I think that's really 401 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: in warfare. You're always probing the defenses of your adversaries, 402 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 1: either current or potential adversaries, to find out what they 403 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: can get away with. I think your speculation has to 404 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 1: be taken seriously and has to be considered strongly on that. 405 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: And I also think, let's never you wonder if my 406 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: buddies were all texting me like, hey man, this is 407 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: a deception or this is like a shiny object, like 408 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: look over here while we're doing this, when we're really 409 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: doing something somewhere else. I think we have to think 410 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: about that one too. I don't have any proof or 411 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: no one's called me on that, but we got to 412 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: think about that too. There was obviously a lot of attention. 413 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: One of the generals said that he expected China to 414 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: invade Taiwan. I think twenty twenty five was his prediction. 415 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: Do you think China will invade Taiwan? And if China 416 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 1: did invade Taiwan, how do you think the US military 417 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: would respond? Well, I know the United States military can 418 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: absolutely rip into them and tear their you know what 419 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: holds out without too much effort. The question is whether 420 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: we have the political will and our you know I talk. 421 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: I can't tell what our policy is against Taiwan right now. 422 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 1: I told you earlier. They send all these planes and 423 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: drones and everything at Taiwan, and we don't do anything. 424 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: So I think if you're sitting in Chairmerji's position, you're like, man, 425 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: I wonder if I can I wonder if I can 426 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 1: get this done before the United States, you know, masses 427 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: their forces. So I don't know if it's twenty twenty five, 428 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: but I know they must be thinking really strongly and 429 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 1: in Beijing about what to do next. Chris Miller, former 430 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: Acting Secretary of Defense, appreciate you being with us, sir, 431 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: Thanks for calling in. Thanks unsinkable aircraft carry free speech, 432 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: you guys, Thanks for what you're doing. Yeah, appreciate that, sir. 433 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: Going to keep that carrier moving, That's how we do it. 434 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: As you know, guys, I'm really dedicated to this cause, 435 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: the preborn pregnancy clinics, because they're saving lives. 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It's not gonna be fun, it's not gonna 460 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: be fun watching, but we're gonna do it because We're 461 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: gonna see the way they try to spin all this stuff. 462 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: Here's a Senator Tim Scott, for example, when he was 463 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: talking about biden State of the Union, he says that 464 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: Biden should apologize for a whole range of things. Plate ten, 465 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: I think you'll hear a lot of glossing over of 466 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: the real issues that the American people are suffering through. 467 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: If we were going to hear something authentic from the 468 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 1: President Biden, it would be American people, I'm sorry, I 469 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: apologize for record breaking crime, record breaking inflation, and record 470 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: breaking border crossings. What I anticipate, however, is he will 471 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: talk about nothing for as long as seemingly possible and 472 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: stop talking. So Clay, I agree with what Senator Scott 473 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: is saying. Of course Biden's going to do none of that. 474 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: But the one place where I think I think it 475 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: really is he went below my very low expectations is 476 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 1: with the promise to unify the country and to be 477 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: a return to normalcy and all that. I didn't think 478 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: he was going to do it, but he's really gone 479 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: with the Winter of death about the vaccines and though 480 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: either the ultra Maga Republicans, he just gave a speech 481 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: to Democrats in Philadelphia, and this is how he talks 482 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 1: about extreme maga. Republicans play twelve. They introduced the bill 483 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: this is go as you think I'm crazy. When I 484 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: said this stuff in the offere, people looked at me 485 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: like I was nuts. They're nuts. I'm not the one. 486 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: They used the bill that will eliminate the IRS and 487 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: replace it with a thirty percent national sales text. You 488 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: heard me, thirty percent national sALS? I think about that 489 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: mean he's thirty percent on groceries, gasoline, clothing, school supplies, medicine, 490 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: big ticket. I'm gonna be renting cars, shifting the entire 491 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: burden of the working class in middle class in America. 492 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen. I'm gonna veto the suckers. Never 493 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: got to n I know the Republicans ran an inflation 494 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: last selection. I didn't know they were trying to make 495 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: it worse. I try to make a yeah. No, I 496 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 1: mean the idea that our tax code is so fundamentally 497 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: broken that anytime someone offers an alternative, it is immediately 498 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: shouted down. I mean, you heard the booing, like who 499 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: likes taxes? I mean, in all honesty and so it's 500 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: not going to pass. Everybody knows it's not going to pass. 501 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: But the idea that we can't have a conversation about 502 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: how broken our tax policy is, Bucky, you've told the 503 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: story for a while. Was it who was the former 504 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: Secretary of Defense that would say, I have no idea 505 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: if this is accurate? Like Donald Rumsfeld, he would send 506 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: a letter into the IRS saying, look, I got great accountants, 507 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: and I'm being honest with you, but you're asking me 508 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: to sign something saying it's all true, and nobody knows 509 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: if this is accurate. And what I have come to 510 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: find out as I have had my own business on 511 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: everything else. If you gave your taxes to ten different accountants, 512 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: ten different accountants would tell you that you owed a 513 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: different amount. That seems to me to be a flaw 514 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,479 Speaker 1: of the overall system. And the fact that you and 515 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: me and many of the people out there listening to 516 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: us are reasonably intelligent adults and we wouldn't even dream 517 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: of attempting many of us to file our own tax 518 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: returns is pretty good evidence that the system is broken. 519 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: Not to mention, we just hired eighty seven thousand new 520 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,719 Speaker 1: IRS agents, which in my opinion, is not going to 521 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: make anything better at all. Well, you asked the would 522 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: why would a whole crowd of Democrats boo the notion 523 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: of abolishing the IRS? I here abolished the RS, and 524 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: I say that sounds fantastic, because it really should just be. 525 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: It should be very straightforward whatever whatever the tax burden 526 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: is going to be. The reason the tax code is 527 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: tens of thousands of pages is corruption, graphs, special favors, 528 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: side deals, and social engineering. That's it. There's no reasonable 529 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: explanation for why. I mean, depending on if you add 530 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: the addendums and all this stuff. I think that they 531 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: estimate it's like seventy thousand pages. I mean, the tax 532 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: code is absolutely outrageous when you if you were to print, 533 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: throw all out and put it together. But I'm reminded 534 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: of Frederick Bastia, a Frenchman from mid nineteenth century, the 535 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: quote government is a great fiction through which everybody endeavors 536 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: to live at the expense of everybody else. That's what 537 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: Democrats do. But by the way, the law is brilliant, 538 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: it's short, it's easy to read. It's really fantastic. A 539 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: lot of more libertarian conservatives are big fans of Bastia. 540 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: The law. But it is true that Democrats promise that everybody, 541 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: whether it's on healthcare or taxes, it's always somebody else 542 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: that will pay. And that is the great fiction that 543 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: they used to get so much bad policy done, Like 544 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two ish when Steve Forbes ran and almost 545 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: Steve Forbes's entire message. And obviously he was not the 546 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: best advocate for this because he kind of looks like 547 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: a you know, zany you know, tax professor at an 548 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: elite institution. But I think, if I remember correctly, the 549 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: Steve Forbes plan was basically a twelve percent flat tax. 550 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: Every single person would pay twelve percent. You could file 551 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: your tax return, if I remember from his perspective, basically 552 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: on a small note card, right that you would be 553 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: able to postcard that you'd be able to mail in. 554 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: I don't understand how we can't fix our broken tax 555 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,239 Speaker 1: system and why that wouldn't make a lot of sense. Now. 556 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: I don't know about the idea of a consumption tax, 557 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: and all the different ways to do it can be 558 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: confusing because they require change. Change is often fought just 559 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: because people are are creatures of habit. But our tax 560 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: code is broken, and if every single one of you 561 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: out there almost could not file your own tax return 562 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: and be confident that you can do it well. And 563 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: I don't mean when Look, if you're an employee and 564 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: your employer is it's not that complicated as soon as 565 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: you start to have very many different moving parts, and 566 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: god forbid if you're actually own a small business to 567 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: figure all this out, or you're an independent contractor. I mean, 568 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: it's a total and complete mess. It really is. And 569 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: so I don't have all the areas you could attack 570 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: Republicans on they're trying to figure out how to make 571 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: our tax code work better for more people. Seems like 572 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: a really bad attempt to attack. I am looking forward, however, 573 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: tomorrow at the State of the Union, Buck, how much 574 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: better is it going to be to see Kevin McCarthy 575 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: sitting behind Joe Biden instead of Nancy Pelosi. Yeah, he's 576 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: not going to tear up any speeches, I can assure 577 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: you with that. So classy Democrats, so classy. Well, for 578 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: the last time the State of the Union, Biden just 579 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: randomly said go get them at the end. I'm curious 580 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: if they'll have another crazy mishap positive story here. Buck. 581 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: As we're rolling through the Monday edition of the program. 582 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: There's a professional surfer named Bethany Hamilton, and for some 583 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,959 Speaker 1: of you out there who may not remember all of 584 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: her story, when she was fourteen years old, she was 585 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: attacked by a shark and lost her left arm. Despite that, 586 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: she continued and turned herself into a professional surfer. And 587 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: she came out over the weekend and aggressively attacked the 588 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: idea of transgender male athletes who decide to identify as 589 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: women being able to compete in surfing competitions, which is 590 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: something that that has been allowed. And she said, Buck, 591 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: this concerns me as a professional athlete that's been competing 592 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: in the World Surf League events for the past fifteen 593 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: plus years. I think many of the girls currently on 594 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: tour are not in support with this new rule, and 595 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: they fear being ostracized ostracized if they speak out. And 596 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,720 Speaker 1: so she is pointing out malebody dominance and women's sports 597 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,839 Speaker 1: are occurring everywhere and says as a result and Block, 598 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,879 Speaker 1: I think this is significant because this is something that 599 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: many people out there have argued. I personally won't be 600 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:34,919 Speaker 1: competing in or supporting the World Surf League if this 601 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: rule remains, and I think what you're seeing, Buck is 602 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,919 Speaker 1: women's athletes are finally starting to speak out. And one 603 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: thing we talked about this with Riley Gaines as it 604 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: pertained to the Leah Thomas swimming incident. One of the 605 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: things that I heard most prominently, and I bet you've 606 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,760 Speaker 1: heard this too, is why didn't women just refuse to compete? 607 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: Like what happens if when everybody dives in they stay 608 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: and stand on the blocks? And that's kind of a 609 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: challenge because you still want to compete. But I think 610 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: this is kind of a kind of a strong statement here. 611 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 1: That's that's a difficult situation I could see for those 612 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: female athletes, because so you're gonna you're gonna give away 613 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,879 Speaker 1: your competition to that's this lunacy. I mean, I think 614 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: that's and also imagine if you're you know, if you're 615 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: Riley Gaines, you and a handful of girls women decide 616 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: you're not going to compete, but a bunch of others do, 617 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: and so now all of a sudden, it's like, well, 618 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: you know, I got a silver medal. I'm happy because 619 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: the best people in this race decided to sit it 620 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,280 Speaker 1: out on principal grounds or so you need total solidarity, 621 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 1: and it's it's also very apparent that there's something nefarious 622 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: behind so much of this because they, you know, the 623 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: apparatus will take action against you as a woman who 624 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,760 Speaker 1: speaks out against this. They want there to be cost. 625 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 1: Why should there be cost for saying that you don't 626 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: want this? If it's really just about is there an advantage? 627 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: What's the science? You know? Can we have an adult 628 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: discussion about this? No, because there's obviously an advantage. We 629 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 1: all know what the science says, and they just want obedience. Yeah, Buck, 630 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 1: anyone who's ever competed in sports understands it more, I 631 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: think than people who don't compete in sports, because there's 632 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: this idea out there because hey, I'm woman, hear me 633 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,800 Speaker 1: roar that women. Use the women's soccer team as an example, 634 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: the US women's soccer team is the best women's team 635 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,359 Speaker 1: in the world. They got beaten by a fifteen year 636 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 1: old boys team in Dallas, Texas five to two. These 637 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: are fifteen and under talented Dallas, Texas soccer playing boys 638 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 1: boys fifteen year olds. That the fastest woman in the 639 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 1: world is Shakari Richardson. Buck, she lost would lose every 640 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: Texas state boys sprint Championship. In other words, sixteen seventeen, 641 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 1: eighteen year old boys in Texas are all faster than 642 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 1: the fastest woman in the history of the world, I 643 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: mean clay. Even down here in South Florida, when I 644 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: go to the gym are there are female fitness models 645 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: in the gym, yep, and there are guys. You know, 646 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: I'm not saying I know too much about it, but 647 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: the guys who go in there, they've got a bit 648 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: of a gut. It's been a little too much time indoors. 649 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,959 Speaker 1: But if you have a two hundred pounds, six foot 650 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: tall guy, he's gonna lift more weights than the fitness models, 651 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: than the females who are you know, training four hours 652 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 1: a day. He will bench press more than those women, 653 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: you know, with almost no exception. Like we all understand 654 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: the science very clearly here. Well, that's our friend Zubie, 655 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,720 Speaker 1: who we've had on before, you know, became the greatest 656 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: women's lifting champion of all time. To satirize the idea 657 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: of men deciding to compete against women, and for everybody 658 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: out there listening, what they've tried to argue is, oh, 659 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: this isn't really a big deal, This is not becoming 660 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: an issue. No, in the next five to ten years. 661 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 1: I really believe this. Your daughters and granddaughters, if this continues, 662 00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,319 Speaker 1: are going to be competing against men all over the place, 663 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: every state, every school district is going to have this 664 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: as an issue. And I give credit to Bethany Hamilton 665 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: for speaking out as aggressively as she is about this story, 666 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 1: because that's what it's going to take in order for 667 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: things to actually change. I mean, I can't imagine getting 668 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,319 Speaker 1: my arm bitten off by a shark and the game 669 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 1: back in the ocean. I would never get into water again. 670 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 1: Talk about bravery. If I ever got attacked by a 671 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,880 Speaker 1: shark in any way, much less had a serious injury, 672 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: I would never get into the ocean again. I mean, 673 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: I think I think if like a sea turtle nibbled 674 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 1: on my feet, I'd be a little freaked out, you know. 675 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,399 Speaker 1: So I can't imagine, like I'm not an ocean guy. 676 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: That's all I can tell you. I mean, the bravery 677 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: of that by itself is I remember when that happened 678 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 1: and she said, oh, I'm gonna go back. I'd love surfing. 679 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 1: I was like, the fact she may be the most 680 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 1: mentally tough athlete on the planet, Because when you're in 681 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: the water like that, how would you not think about 682 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 1: getting attacked again? I mean, do you ever freak out 683 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: a little bit even when you're in like a lake 684 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: somewhere and you step on something been weird? I mean, 685 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: because yeah, we've all. I don't like it when I 686 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,839 Speaker 1: can't see the bottom.