1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where We've got 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:06,279 Speaker 1: only one more sleep till Sydney Colson and Teresa Playzance's 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: new podcast, Unsupervised drops. That's a must lessen for sure. 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: It's Wednesday, July twenty third, and on today show will 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: be giving you my conversation with WNBA legend Candice Parker 6 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: from the Wiser Symposium at WNBA All Star Weekend. We 7 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: talked about her book, The Can Do Mindset, the impact 8 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: Pat's Summit had on her life, what she learned about 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: herself raising her daughter Layla on the road, and how 10 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: she and her wife managed to keep their relationship private 11 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: until it was time to welcome the world. In plus Athletes, 12 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: Unlimited Softball brings fans out in Drove Sidney McLaughlin. Lavroni 13 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: has her sight set on more American history and the 14 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: woman who was Kaitlin Clark before Caitlin Clark ever existed. 15 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: It's all coming out right after this Welcome back slices. 16 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: Here's what you need to know today. In soccer news, 17 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: Denver NWSL has got a name and branding. It was 18 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: announced on Tuesday that the NWSL's sixteenth team will go 19 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: by Denver Summit FC. The name emerged as the favorite 20 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: amongst owners and also amongst fans, who voted on six 21 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: different options in recent months. Though the fan vote offered 22 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: up Colorado summt FC, ownership elected to go with Denver 23 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: summt FC. They said they wanted to honor the city's 24 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: commitment to building just this second purpose driven stadium built 25 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:34,199 Speaker 1: specifically for an NWSL team. The team's crest is sharp y'all. 26 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: It features green mountains that are sloped at a twenty 27 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: six degree angle to denote the year the team will 28 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: begin play twenty twenty six, and white snowcaps under a 29 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: red sky and an orange sun. The team says the 30 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: green and white is a nod to the classic Colorado 31 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: license plate, and they described the sandstone red sky as 32 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: quote a nod to the iconic red rock formations found 33 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: throughout the state. Welcome to the party, Denver sum At 34 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: FC can't wait to get out to a game. In 35 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: Softball News, the Athletes Unlimited Softball League set the record 36 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: for the largest crowd in league history. This weekend Saturdays 37 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: sold out contest between the Bandits and Volts at Dell 38 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: Diamond and Round Rock, Texas drew over sixty five hundred fans, 39 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: and get this, it was the largest softball audience in 40 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: Texas history. As well, the game itself was a good one. 41 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: The Bandits took a four to three come from behind 42 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: victory over the Volts. The Bandits have already secured a 43 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: spot in this weekend's best of three AUSL Championship Series 44 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: and are set to take on the top seeded Talents. 45 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: It's not postseason time just yet, though. The last games 46 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: of this inaugural AUSL regular season take place tonight, starting 47 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: at seven pm Eastern. First, it's the Volts and the 48 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: Talons on ESPN two, followed by The Blaze and the 49 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: Bandits at eight thirty Eastern on MLB dot Com. We'll 50 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: link to the schedule in our show notes. Speaking of 51 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: the AUSL Championship, in a statement on Monday, the league 52 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: announced that Sephora will be its exclusive beauty partner and 53 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: the presenting sponsor of this weekend's AUSL Championship Series. The 54 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 1: brand will be very visible at the series in Tescaloosa, Alabama, 55 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,279 Speaker 1: this weekend, helping enhance the fan experience with photo ops, giveaways, 56 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: and activations. Sophora is also going to play a similar 57 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: role throughout the AUSL All Star Cup in August, including 58 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: creating a glam suite for all AUSL athletes as part 59 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: of the All Star Cup Media Day. Love to see 60 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: Sephora stepping up to support these superstar athletes. In track 61 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: and field news, American star Sidney McLaughlin Livroni will not 62 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: compete in the four hundred meter hurdles at the upcoming 63 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: US Outdoor Track and Field National Championships, opting to focus 64 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 1: on the four hundred meter flat instead. Quick refresher here 65 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: so McGlaughlin Lvroni is the best four hundred meter hurdler 66 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: of all time, having won every major title that exists 67 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: in the event, including two Olympic gold medals. She first 68 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: broke the world record in twenty twenty one and has 69 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: since lowered her own mark five more times, including at 70 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: last summer's Paris Olympics. But in recent years, McLaughlin Livroni 71 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: has been increasing her versatility by integrating the four hundred 72 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: meter flat into her program with great success. By the 73 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: way back in twenty twenty three at the US Championship, 74 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: she became the second fastest American woman to ever run 75 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: the event, her time of forty eight point seventy four 76 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: was just four hundredths off of Sonia Richards Ross's US record, 77 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: but she ultimately had to withdraw from that year's World 78 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,679 Speaker 1: Championships due to a knee injury. So, needless to say, 79 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: McLaughlin larroney feels like she has a little unfinished business 80 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: and we should all be on American Record watch during 81 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: next week's US Championships. More Track and Field ATHLOS, the 82 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: professional women's track and field meet, is adding the long 83 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: jump for the second edition of the competition, happening in 84 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: New York City in October. The qualifying jumps will be 85 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: held on October ninth in Times Square and feature Olympic 86 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: stars like Tara Davis, Woodhall, Jasmine Moore, Quinisia Burks and 87 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: Moore leaping for the chance to compete for the crown 88 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: at the main event the next day. Little Refresher on ATHLOS, 89 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: the women's professional track and field competition, was founded by 90 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: Serena Williams's husband Alexis Ohanian, debuted in September of twenty 91 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: twenty four with just track events and was capped off 92 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: by a Megan the Stallion performance. Yet on this year's 93 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: musical performance Tickets for the meet on October tenth are 94 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: on sale right now. Will link to where you can 95 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: snag them in our show notes. We got to take 96 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: a quick break when we come back. My conversation with 97 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 1: the legendary Candace Parker during WNBA All Star weekend. We 98 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: chopped it up as part of the Wiser Symposium, a 99 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: professional development event for women working in sports. You'll hear 100 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: our chat right after this. Hi, Candace, Well, Hello, Hello, 101 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: so fun. What a great room of folks. 102 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 2: No, I heard what an energetic So we're going to 103 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 2: bring the energy this morning, and we absolutely are hold 104 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 2: up your book? 105 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: How fired up are we to get this? I was 106 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: just talking to your mom backstage, and the can Do 107 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: mindset is not just the name of the book. It 108 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: is an ethos for the family, and it is a 109 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: message that she gave you as a youngster with older brothers, 110 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: trying to figure out who am I, what am I 111 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: going to be? How can I keep up with them? 112 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: Coming to her in tears, thinking like I'm not going 113 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: to be able to keep up. And I want you 114 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: to tell us how important it was as a young 115 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: person to have that support and to have that nudge 116 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: to say you can do anything. 117 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 2: Well, what's so crazy is I grew up down the 118 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: hall from two brothers that are eight and eleven years 119 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 2: older than me, and I think being the baby girl 120 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: of the family, you know, there were big shoes to 121 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 2: fill in terms of my two older brothers. 122 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: One played ten years in the NBA. 123 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 2: He played alongside you know, talk about Chris Bosh, talk 124 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 2: about Lebron James, played for the caz for a while. 125 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 2: And then my middle brother, he went to Johns Hopkins 126 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 2: and he's just a doctor. So it was kind of 127 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 2: just like looking up to these giants of people, but 128 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 2: still having that sibling rivalry of like I want to 129 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 2: do what they do. I want to be better than 130 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: what they were doing. And I think at times I 131 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 2: felt like I was measuring my four year old or 132 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 2: five year old self against these people that have been 133 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: doing these things for that long. 134 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: And so my mom saw my struggle. 135 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,679 Speaker 2: A little bit, and my nickname is can short for Candae, 136 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 2: and she started kind of the mantra of can do. 137 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: And it got me through tying my shoes, It got 138 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 2: me through, you know, walking into rooms where I was 139 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: a little nervous, It got me through game winning free throws, 140 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: it got me through game winning misses. And so I 141 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: think it's just that mantra that soon turned into an acronym, 142 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 2: and it stands for community authenticity, navigating negativity, which is 143 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: a part of life, dealing and loving the dash, which 144 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 2: is the journey in the middle of a star end 145 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 2: of things and seizing and creating opportunities. And so that's 146 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: kind of the lens that I tell the stories to 147 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 2: this book of that can do mindset that you know, 148 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: first started when I was a little girl. 149 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: Shouts to your mom, Sarah, who's here? Because a doctor? 150 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: You pro players coming out of naper thrill, Naperville lapor thrill. 151 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: I call it had a right thrill because I grew 152 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: up here had a right. You had a right. I mean, 153 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: that's an incredible legacy to look up to. And you 154 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: had that mentorship at a young age to tell you 155 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: you can and to show you that you could. And 156 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: then you get to Tennessee and talk about mentorship. The 157 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: one and only Pat Summit. I want you to tell 158 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: everyone about the time that Pat humbled you. Which time, well, yeah, fair, 159 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: fair like which specific time when you were dogging it 160 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: at practice or didn't quite give her what she wanted, 161 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: and she pulled you out of practice, and you wanted 162 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: to prove her that you were better than her, that 163 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: you could show her up, that you could show her 164 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: that you cared more. And what happened actly, and she 165 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: humbled me. 166 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: If you i'll have a chance to check out chapter four. 167 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: I think it's chapter four. 168 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 2: I talk a great deal about coach summit. And you know, 169 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 2: being eighteen years old going to college. I have a 170 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 2: sixteen year old daughter that's here. I understand we know everything. 171 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 2: At that age, you know you're stubborn. You feel like 172 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 2: you your way or the highway. Your parents don't know anything. Well, 173 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 2: it's no different when you go to college. You still 174 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 2: feel that about your coach. And in practice one time, 175 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 2: coach some it was huge on offensive rebounding. I can 176 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: still hear her scream my name to go to the boards, 177 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 2: and in practice I wasn't and I was kind of 178 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 2: like dogging it a little bit whatever, so she kicked 179 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 2: me out of practice. I go on the back and 180 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 2: you know, like you're mad. You're there by yourself, like 181 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 2: looking at yourself in the mirror, like, oh, like I'm 182 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 2: gonna show her. I'm gonna figure it out, and so 183 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 2: a showered, got dressed. We had six am practice the 184 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 2: next day, and I was like, I'm gonna get there 185 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: at four four THIRTYMNA be in a full lather when 186 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 2: she shows up to practice. So I roll up to 187 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 2: the arena and her lights on and she's in her 188 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 2: office and she just finished doing her workout and she 189 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 2: was starting to plan for practice that day. And so 190 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 2: I think what I took from that is, doesn't matter 191 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 2: what you accomplish in life, like, you still have to 192 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 2: love the little thing and doing those little things that 193 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 2: got you there. At that point in time, she had 194 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 2: six national championships, was one of the greatest coaches in 195 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 2: the twenty first century alongside John Wooden. But she still 196 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: showed up early, she still did the little things. She 197 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 2: still beat people who were trying to be what she 198 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 2: was at doing those things. And so I think that's 199 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 2: what inspired me the most about Coach Summit, is like 200 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 2: she had all these words, yes, but it was her 201 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 2: actions that backed it up. 202 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, in fact, her words inspired you so much they 203 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: are tattooed on you thought that, Yes, of course, you know, 204 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: we won a lot of games at the University of Tennessee. 205 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 2: But I think The thing that I saw was Coach 206 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 2: Summit was always the same person, no matter whether she 207 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 2: was winning or losing. Now, mind you, practice has changed 208 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: a little bit. 209 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: We ran a few more we. 210 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 2: Ran a few more line drills if we lost, But 211 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 2: Coach Summit was the same whether she was cutting nats 212 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 2: down or dealing with losses, whatever it is. And so 213 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 2: I always admired that about her, that she never really changed. 214 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 2: She always gave credit to people around her, And so 215 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 2: when she got sick and diagnosed, I will never forget 216 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 2: the conversation. She was like, if you're gonna have a 217 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 2: pity party, you're going to be the only one at it, 218 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 2: because I'm going to attack this the way that I've 219 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 2: attacked my entire life. 220 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: And it didn't change. 221 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 2: And so, you know, sitting in her living room, there 222 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 2: was this quote that said left foot, right foot. 223 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:25,359 Speaker 1: Breathe repeat. 224 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 2: So I asked her, I'm like, Coach, you know, there 225 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 2: are some days where you don't feel like getting up, 226 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 2: Like your intention in that moment was great, but the 227 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 2: work you have to do to achieve that goal, you 228 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: don't feel like doing it in those moments. And I said, 229 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 2: how do you get yourself to do it? And she said, 230 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 2: I put one foot in front of the other, I 231 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 2: left foot, right foot, breathe, repeat, And so I felt like, 232 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 2: even though she wasn't big on tattoos, I feel like 233 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 2: this one she would really appreciate. 234 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: Well, there's the youngster, and you're still giving a little 235 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: dig to your coach. 236 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 2: I would definitely have to cover these up with arm bands. Actually, 237 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: the adoptive MoMA of. 238 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: The focus of my book has as saying, pity parties, 239 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: I don't throw them and I don't attend them. I 240 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: like that, so we can always use that. How has 241 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: your relationship to some of Pat's knowledge and advice changed 242 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: over the years. She was giving you those words as 243 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: a young person, and she passed before a lot of 244 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 1: the things that you've been able to accomplish and a 245 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:22,839 Speaker 1: lot of the roles you've been able to take on. 246 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 1: You're now a mother, you're now a business woman, you're 247 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: a leader at companies. Are there things that she told 248 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: you when you were younger that as you've aged the 249 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: words start to change for you. 250 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 2: It's so crazy, because I think all of us can 251 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 2: relate to this, her definite doesn't. And there are some 252 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 2: youngsters in here that we're probably in diapers when I 253 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 2: was playing at the University of Tennessee. 254 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 1: So I'm going to give you a little bit of. 255 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 2: Homework of just going and looking up her definite dozen 256 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 2: because basketball is life. Sports is a microcosm of life, 257 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: and so everything that you learn with in the game, 258 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 2: it's a life lesson. And every year I got to Tennessee, 259 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 2: she would always assign players certain definite dozens, and mine 260 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 2: inevitably was handle success as you handle failure. And it's 261 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 2: not the way that you all look at it, like 262 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 2: I'm not gloating or whatever. It was more so I 263 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 2: beat myself up when I lost, or when I missed 264 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 2: a shot, or when I didn't play well, and it 265 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 2: really is in life, it's about that next possession. We 266 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 2: had to say at Tennessee, and we always did it, 267 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 2: you know, whenever we were communicating a coach summit emphasize communication. 268 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 2: And now you're communicating with people that come from all 269 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 2: with different walks of life, different upbringings, all of those things. 270 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 2: And so we had a system that when you would 271 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 2: tell me something good, I would say two points, move 272 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 2: on to the next play. If you told me a criticism, 273 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 2: then I had to say rebound, and a rebound is 274 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 2: a chance to get it back, to do it better 275 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 2: the next time to but you're still moving on. And 276 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 2: so I think that's something that I take with me, 277 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 2: is like, you can't dwell on what you did because 278 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 2: it's going to impact going forward what you're gonna do. 279 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 2: You got to learn from it, You got to live 280 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 2: in the moment, and you got to move on and 281 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 2: control what you can control. And I think there was 282 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 2: nobody better of just continuing those lessons, And even to 283 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: this day, I still am learning those lessons as a 284 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 2: thirty something year old woman. 285 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: Next time my husband's critical, I'll be like, rebound two points. Yeah, 286 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: you got pregnant with your daughter, Laila, who I just 287 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: saw backstage is now taller than me already. Yeah. Great, 288 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: great team. And you got pregnant after this historic rookie 289 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: season where you were the first and still only player 290 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: to win Rookie of the Year and MVP in the 291 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: same season. You are riding this high and then you 292 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: find out you're pregnant. What were the emotions. 293 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 2: It's so wild because I think this book kind of 294 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 2: served as like a little therapy session. I pushed sin 295 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 2: on my Instagram posts of retiring and then kind of 296 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 2: had to unpack my entire career during that period of time. 297 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 2: So I'm grateful for it, and I think a lot 298 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 2: of the unpacking was, you know, at twenty two, twenty 299 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 2: three years old, I had always wanted to be a mom, 300 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: Like from the time I was younger, I knew I 301 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: wanted a little girl. I had named them, like, I 302 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 2: knew I wanted to be a mom, And you know, 303 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: I always wanted to have both a career as well 304 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 2: as have a family. And I think when I first 305 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 2: found out I was pregnant, immediately my mind shifted to, like, well, 306 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 2: what is everybody going to think? What are my sponsors 307 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 2: going to think? And unpacking that in the book, I 308 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 2: kind of peeled it back and was like, how unfair 309 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 2: is that as a woman to want to have a 310 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 2: family and your first thought is your career and what 311 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 2: everybody's going to think. Because a lot of the endorsements, 312 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: they want to tell the story once the kids here, 313 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 2: but they don't want to go through the process of 314 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 2: when you're pregnant and when you can't play. And there's 315 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 2: a part in the book that I talk about I'm 316 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 2: at a huge you know, a pregame shoot around and 317 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 2: somebody is like, where's Layla, And I am fuming because 318 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 2: I'm like, this isn't a question that you're asking before 319 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 2: the playoffs to Lebron James. 320 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just asking it. 321 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 2: To me, And so I think it just going through, 322 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: Like we have grown so much in the WNBA, But 323 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: at the time, there was no maternity leave. You got 324 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 2: paid when you came back from playing. I mean to playing. 325 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 2: I had to buy out half of my hotel room 326 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 2: because we shared rooms at the time, and I was nursing. 327 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 2: I nursed for fifteen months and my mom would come 328 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 2: along and take care Leila to buy a plane ticket 329 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 2: from my mom. There was no childcare feet like, there 330 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 2: was none of that. And so I'm proud because I 331 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 2: think that we have done a great job of moving 332 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 2: that along in terms of maternity health as well as 333 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 2: family planning because you're playing during your prime years of 334 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: your life. But I will say, I think we still 335 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 2: have more room to go, and I think that I 336 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 2: want to challenge the WNBA to be the bar of 337 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 2: what motherhood and parenthood looks like, what family planning looks like. 338 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 2: Because of a league of all women run by women, 339 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 2: you know, that's what we have to have. And so 340 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 2: I think the women now are taking the lead. You're 341 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,239 Speaker 2: seeing a lot more moms that are able to have 342 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 2: babies and come back and play and things like that. 343 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 2: But I also want to say, you know, maternity leave. 344 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 2: I realized throughout as I was watching the Tennessee coach 345 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 2: come back a week after giving birth to her son 346 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 2: and beat Yukon. 347 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: Sorry I just slipped that in. Yeah, I just slipped 348 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: that in. 349 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 2: And everybody was commending her on the broadcast, like, look 350 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 2: at that, she's back. And in my head, I came 351 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 2: back fifty four days after having my daughter. And in 352 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 2: my head, I'm like, if coming back is strength, then 353 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 2: taking your full maternity is weak. And that's not the case. 354 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 2: I think we have that in place for a reason. 355 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 2: And so we should really empower mothers and parents because 356 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 2: once you become one, you, like all of us need support. 357 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: We need we need so much support. 358 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 2: And now I have three and I really commend parents 359 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 2: that aad boys, because I'm like going crazy right now. 360 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, the strength is the choice. Yes, if you 361 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: want to come back in fifty four days, it's strong 362 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: to make the choice that you'll figure out how to 363 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: do that, and if you want to take your full time, 364 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: it's take that choice exactly. I mean, honestly, it's it's 365 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: we already know that women can never win. But if 366 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: you're a career woman, then the question is always are 367 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: you going to have babies? And if you have a baby, 368 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: then it's always one of you getting back to your 369 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: career exactly, So you can't you can't win either way. 370 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: You gave birth in May of two thousand and nine, 371 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: so Layla was with you every step of the way 372 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: for your career. She grew up on the road and 373 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: on planes, hotels, sleeping airport that was her nap time. Yeah, 374 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: what did you learn about yourself in order to make 375 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: that work? I'm going to start with patience, I'm guessing, 376 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: but what else did you learn in those moments, especially 377 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: because you were as high achieving as they come, and 378 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: I have to image there were moments throughout that journey 379 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: that you were very humbled by not being able to 380 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: figure it out the first time or to get everything 381 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: done that you wanted to do. 382 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 2: I realized how much we are not in control. And 383 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 2: I think that's what motherhood has taught me, is you 384 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 2: have all of these plans. Two of my friends just 385 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 2: had babies and they're like, they're gonna sleep all night. 386 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: They called us in the middle of the night. 387 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 2: She's not sleeping, you know, and Leila would inevitably, she 388 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,360 Speaker 2: was the best baby, best kid. We traveled to Russia, 389 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 2: to China, to everywhere, but inevitably it'd be a big 390 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 2: playoff game. 391 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: He would be up all night screaming, you know. And 392 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: I think it's just nervous for you. 393 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 2: She was was she was nervous for She was nervous 394 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 2: for the playoffs. You're right, but I do feel like 395 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 2: you're not in control. And I think that relinquishing that 396 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 2: was is a superpower because a lot of times we 397 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 2: do try to like micromanage and control things. And I 398 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 2: think my kids have really taught me you literally do 399 00:19:58,920 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 2: the best that you can. 400 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: You relinquish the results, and you keep it moving. 401 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 2: There are some days where I would come to practice 402 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 2: and I know my teammates were probably looking at me crazy, 403 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 2: but they didn't know that I was just. 404 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: Up all night. 405 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,239 Speaker 2: Nobody cares about that when the lights are on. So like, 406 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 2: you do the best that you can and try not 407 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 2: to make, you know, try not to make those excuses, 408 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 2: but it is hard, and I did have to give 409 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 2: myself grace. I grew up with a mom that was 410 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 2: at everything. She was there when sitting front row in 411 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 2: a play that I had one line and I was 412 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 2: just like, geez, you really don't have to come, you know. 413 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 2: And so it's really hard for me to not be 414 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 2: that for Leila because that's what I saw as motherhood. 415 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,959 Speaker 2: And so I think it's giving ourselves grace of understanding, 416 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 2: like we all are just doing the best that we can. 417 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 2: And I'm super grateful in the order that we've had 418 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 2: our kids, because I cannot imagine my second son sleeping 419 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 2: in booths and traveling like we don't take him on planes. 420 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 1: It's crazy. 421 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 2: So I just I realized how great of a child Laila, 422 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 2: and how patient, and how we just looked at each 423 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 2: other and we were literally just trying to figure it out. 424 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 2: And so it's super special to have her goal along 425 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 2: on the journey with me and to kind of see 426 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 2: the world through her eyes, like she I use this. 427 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: All the time. 428 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 2: At the Grammy's Blue Ivy sitting between jay Z and 429 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 2: Beyonce's who the best singers performers ever, and She's like, 430 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 2: where are my spruit snacks like they don't. Your kids 431 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 2: do not care what you do, you know, and so 432 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 2: I think that that was a superpower and Layla just 433 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 2: wanted her mom, and so I think being able basketball 434 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 2: was my first love, and I think Leyla has allowed 435 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 2: me to kind of move that to the side a 436 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 2: little bit and understand that there's more to life than 437 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 2: just basketball. 438 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 1: I think your kids don't care what you do, but 439 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: also they do see what you do, yes, And I 440 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: will say that there is so much greatness and joy 441 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: and the parent that is there for everything, and there 442 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: is so much to be learned from the parent that 443 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: is doing other things that you're watching. And I remember 444 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: growing up my mom's a lawyer. She wasn't there for 445 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: like the tea parties that the moms who didn't work 446 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: would come to during the day at school, and I 447 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: would feel sad. And I had great teachers who said, oh, 448 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: you're so lucky. Your mom's so smart and so successful 449 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: and a career woman, and you're learning from her. And 450 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: it changed my mindset on why she wasn't there, and 451 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: I was able to use that to motivate myself. So 452 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 1: I think it's fine either way as long as you 453 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: find the lesson in it and it feels intentional. 454 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 2: When you are there, you know, and there's presence and presence. 455 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 2: And I say that in like I love you know, 456 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 2: even though when I'm not there, I'm going to be present. 457 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna you know. 458 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 2: We used to do sleep calendars when I would have 459 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 2: to travel, and she would make me a sleep calendar 460 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 2: and I would make hers of how many nights, So 461 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 2: if it's three nights away, you know, we would FaceTime 462 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 2: at night I think with Skype at the time, and 463 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 2: we would cross out the nights, you know, because it 464 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 2: is hard. You do feel guilty, But you know, I 465 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 2: hope that she understands that whatever is possible to be 466 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 2: at I'm going to be there, and even when I'm not, 467 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,120 Speaker 2: I am there, you know, making sure. 468 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: Sure that she's doing what she's supposed to. Take me 469 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: back to twenty sixteen. It's a tough year. You separate 470 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: from your husband, you get cut from the Olympic team, 471 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,959 Speaker 1: and pat summit passes away, and you also lead your 472 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: sparks team to a title. How did you do that? 473 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: How did you compartmentalize or process and heal while simultaneously 474 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 1: pushing for that moment. 475 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 2: What's crazy is I look back at twenty sixteen and 476 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 2: it was such a blur because it literally was left foot, 477 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 2: right foot. 478 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 1: Breathe, repeat. 479 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 2: And basketball has always been my solace through whatever ups 480 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 2: and downs. That's why it's been so hard with injuries, 481 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 2: because I can't go play basketball to get away from everything. 482 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 2: So in twenty sixteen, I think when things happen, sometimes 483 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 2: we doubt our pass, you know, and we doubt what 484 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 2: we did before and our preparation and things like that. 485 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 2: I learned to reevaluate, not doubt. I feel like there's 486 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 2: a purpose in everything that happens. And I feel like, 487 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 2: you know, you still have to look yourself in the 488 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 2: mirror and know who you are, and I think twenty 489 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 2: sixteen allowed me to do that even more so, you know, 490 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 2: to quiet the noise, to really like get back to 491 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 2: what makes me happy. And so, you know, obviously Pat 492 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 2: passing away was a huge blow, but I feel like 493 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 2: everything's full circle, Like we won off of an offensive rebound, 494 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 2: you know. 495 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 1: What I mean. Like that's crazy. So I don't know. 496 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 2: I just think that twenty sixteen was super difficult in 497 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 2: one hand, but in one hand, nine years it took 498 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 2: me to win a WBA championship with my team and 499 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 2: to then have that at the end. I think you 500 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 2: need those things sometimes to remind yourself why you go 501 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,959 Speaker 2: through the grind every day and why you're doing. You know, 502 00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 2: you get up every day and you try to be 503 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: a good person, and you work out and you do 504 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 2: you know, you set goals and all of those things, 505 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 2: and so I think it teaches you, you know, you're 506 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 2: going through a tough time now, but continue to be 507 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 2: who you are. And so, you know, I really leaned 508 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 2: into that with Coach Summit especially. 509 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: It took you nine years to win that first title, 510 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: but the Cubs won in twenty sixteen. It took them 511 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: one hundred and eight to get that one, So you 512 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: were actually on a pretty fast track. You were you 513 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: were doing okay. I mentioned that you separated from your 514 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 1: husband that year. Years later you announced a relationship with 515 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: your wife who's here, and that you were already married. 516 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: Made the big announcement. Yeah, I need you to tell 517 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: me the story of the wedding and your agent requests. 518 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the attendees sign and I'm like, we don't 519 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: otherwise it's for sure getting out. Yeah. No, we we 520 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: had a small intimate Yeah, I wasn't invited, so cool. 521 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: Your irritation was in the mail. You didn't take you Okay? Cool. 522 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 2: We had a small ceremony in Mexico and it was amazing. 523 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 2: It was fifty how many people sixty okay, sixty of 524 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 2: our closest family and friends. And my agent was flipping 525 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 2: out because he was. 526 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: Like, somebody's gonna say something. We need NDAs or he 527 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: wanted a statement, right, He's like, either take a statement 528 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: or whatever. And I was like, listen, We're going to 529 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: do things at our own pace, which is part of growth, right, 530 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: Like all of us found knowing what you want to 531 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: do and upholding those boundaries. And my wife and I 532 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: we just wanted to enjoy that moment. We didn't want 533 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: the stress of everything else. And for two years there 534 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: was this bubble around that magical day and you know, 535 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 1: it was beautiful. It was amazing. 536 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 2: We didn't do an NDA's and we were able to 537 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,479 Speaker 2: tell our own story. I didn't want to do, you know, 538 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,479 Speaker 2: a release or whatever. We just did an Instagram post 539 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 2: and shocked some people. But I think people that have 540 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 2: been around women's basketball, they see her and some knew 541 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 2: and some didn't. But I'm grateful for people allowing me 542 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 2: and my wife and my family to do things at 543 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 2: our own pace, at our own time. And I talk 544 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 2: a lot about in the book support system and in 545 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,959 Speaker 2: this day and age where we see what going viral 546 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 2: can do to families and people and things like that, 547 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 2: we should all just be respectful of. 548 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: That, you know. 549 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 2: And it doesn't mean that we're ashamed or embarrassed. Sometimes 550 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: it's just not your business, you know what I mean, 551 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 2: or something that we don't we're not comfortable sharing. And 552 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 2: I think that that there in this day and age, 553 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 2: that has to be a priority for all of us 554 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 2: to make sure that we're you know, we're doing that. 555 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: I just can't believe your group of friends, like tell 556 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: us your secret, how do you curate sixty people? We'll 557 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,719 Speaker 1: have going on to that for two years and it 558 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: never gets out. 559 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 2: My favorite comment I read one of the comments and 560 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 2: actually Vanessa Bryan send it to me, where it was 561 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 2: like I need Cannas Parker Adele and Vanessa Bryant's friends, 562 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 2: and you know it's I feel like the people around 563 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 2: you are so important, you know, like you can't have 564 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,719 Speaker 2: just a bunch of yes people and people that are 565 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 2: gonna just let you, you know, act stupid and make 566 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 2: bad choices. But you also need people that are going 567 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 2: to show up and be supportive. Not when we're cutting 568 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 2: down nets, but when you know you need to pull 569 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 2: up and talk or you need support and things like that. 570 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 2: And so I am super grateful for my family and 571 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 2: my support system. And I mean, I'm still best friends 572 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 2: with my friends since seventh grade. She was at the 573 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 2: wedding with her husband, I mean down the line. So 574 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 2: I'm just grateful for, you know, for our family and 575 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 2: our friends. 576 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: How did you feel about fans and sponsors and how 577 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: they might react to the news that you were not 578 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: only married to a woman, but that maybe what they 579 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: you know, that they were behind on the news, that 580 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: they hadn't been let in on this for several years. 581 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: What's wild? And again I'm just on repeat. I talk 582 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: about this in the book. 583 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 2: It's interesting because I would be in these scenarios years 584 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 2: and years ago, and fans would walk up to me 585 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 2: like it was a badge of honor that I was straight, 586 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 2: And for a while, I think sometimes others felt that 587 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 2: and I had to unpack that as well. That are 588 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 2: we hesitant for this? Because it's a disappointment, like you know, 589 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 2: or I had someone be like, you should probably negotiate 590 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 2: your TV deal before you come out. You know, Like 591 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 2: it's just things like that impact like who I love 592 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 2: is impacting all of these things, which is wild. And 593 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 2: I understand we are getting better in our world and 594 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 2: more progressive and you know, all of those things, but 595 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 2: there's still so much, so many things that we need 596 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 2: to fix. And I think that was like a look 597 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 2: the mirror type of scenario where it is kind of crazy. 598 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 2: You know, we are in the WNBA, the majority of 599 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 2: the minority in this country, and if I'm not living 600 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 2: authentically and if I'm in some way, shape or form. 601 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 2: I think when we went through the process of having 602 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 2: our son, that's where I was like, no, like we 603 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 2: need to tell people because I don't want my son 604 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 2: to ever think I don't love his mom or that 605 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 2: there was some sort of difference, and so, you know, 606 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 2: I think it's a lot to unpack. But it's also 607 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 2: a balance of privacy versus you know, letting people in and. 608 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: The amount of people that you helped by wanting to 609 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: talk about it, and that's your choice. You don't owe 610 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: the people that, but you know. For instance, producer of 611 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: my show Good Game with Sarah Spain Subscribe now, Mesh 612 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: actually on a recent show talked about you in particular 613 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: and how early in the w the baby haired assassin 614 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: who was a straight, beautiful woman with a husband and 615 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: a kid was a great advertisement for a league that 616 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: often pushed back against stereotypes about queer black women being 617 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: the majority of the players, and you were able to 618 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: be this avatar for this thing that they wanted to 619 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: prove existed in the league and was the face of 620 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: the league. But then at the same time, your decision 621 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: to be authentic and talk about your wife and your 622 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: family now has made it easier for so many people 623 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: coming up to feel authentic in their own life and 624 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: their identity. And so you taking back that narrative and 625 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: saying I'm in charge of what's true and also what 626 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: i want to be is really powerful. 627 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 2: I know what it's like to look at people and 628 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 2: want to be them. I remember as a kid watching 629 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 2: Robin Roberts on Sports Center, and I thought it was 630 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 2: the coolest thing that you have this woman that's up 631 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 2: there like holding her own talking about sports. 632 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: You know, the coverage was different. I just liked it. 633 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 2: I saw her and myself, and I cannot tell you 634 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 2: enough how much my heart smiles. When I was actually 635 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 2: here at All Star for NBA All Star and we 636 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 2: did a screening of my doc and there was a 637 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 2: couple that was in the in the the theater and 638 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 2: she stood up to grab the mic and I saw 639 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 2: her like handshaking, and so she's telling me, you know, basically, 640 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 2: you know, how did I decide to, you know, be 641 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 2: unapologetic and was it something that I just woke up 642 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 2: and was one day or da da da? 643 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: And so answer the question. 644 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 2: I leave and I feel a tap on my back 645 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 2: and she's like, you know, my girlfriend and I we've 646 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 2: been together for six years and we just can't come 647 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 2: to tell our family because our families aren't accepting and 648 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 2: da da dah and all this stuff. So she starts crying, 649 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 2: I start crying whatever. And so then fast forward, I 650 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 2: see her this is Geez a year later and she's 651 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 2: like showing me her ring and she's like, you know, 652 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 2: we had the difficult conversations and we talked about it, 653 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 2: and so I think there's not a one side fits 654 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 2: all approach, but I think the more that we can 655 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 2: support and come from a place of like understanding and 656 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 2: not a place like I talk about this all the 657 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 2: time sometimes don't say anything. Just don't say anything, let 658 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 2: the person talk and be who they are. And I 659 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 2: think that's that's what's crazy to me, is that people 660 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 2: are scared to be who they are and that you know, 661 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 2: if you love them, you should encourage that. 662 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys have two children, Aaron Hart, how different 663 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: was raising kids? Not on the road, not playing ball, 664 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: not you know, missing them, but also getting that break. 665 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: What's it been like? 666 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 2: It has been unbelievable to be at home more. I 667 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 2: all often we'll push back on that though, because I 668 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 2: do broadcasting, so I'm gone a little bit, but not 669 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 2: I'm not running up and down the court and you know, 670 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 2: doing shoot around and all that stuff. But it has 671 00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 2: been unbelievable to be able to be present. I The 672 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 2: reason why I had to end my career is because 673 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 2: I broke my navicular bone in my foot, which is 674 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 2: one of the worst bones that doesn't have a blood supply. 675 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 2: So I had a reconstructive surgery and in my head 676 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 2: I was done, but I was like holding out hope, 677 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 2: like maybe well, when I broke my foot, I found 678 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 2: out at All Star in twenty twenty three, Yeah, twenty 679 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 2: twenty three, that I wasn't gonna be able to play 680 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 2: the rest of the season, and so had my surgery. 681 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 2: And I'm sitting in the bleachers and I'm at my 682 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 2: daughter's first Varsy volleyball game, and I'm like, this is 683 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,280 Speaker 2: where I'm supposed to be. You know, all those years 684 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 2: we grinded, we did all those things, like you know, 685 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 2: we were in Russia and Spain and Turkey and China 686 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 2: and flying here and there in six months and come 687 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 2: back and jump to the WBA. So now it's like 688 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 2: a weird dynamic of being president at home and going 689 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 2: to farmers markets and you know, like I mean, we 690 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 2: literally my son wakes up in the. 691 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: Morning, He's like Farmer's Market. 692 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, no, it's Saturday, Like farmers Market's on Saturday. 693 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 2: So it's amazing because I didn't think I was a 694 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 2: person I could ever slow down. But there's beauty in that. 695 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 2: There's beauty in the steady, slow pace. And I'm I'm 696 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 2: figuring out that balance of it. And so my sons 697 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 2: have kept me present. They you know, I smell their 698 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 2: feet and know what their feet are you know what 699 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 2: their feet smell like? Whereas like Layla, it was just 700 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 2: kind of like, let's we gotta go, like it's like. 701 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: A mad dash. 702 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 2: And so it's been a lot slower, and I think 703 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 2: I've been a lot slower with Layla as a teenager 704 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 2: as well, which has been great. 705 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: I feel like the nice thing about getting older and 706 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: for the young people out there who think us old 707 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: are lying when we say it gets better. I thought 708 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 1: that too, but it actually is. And there are some 709 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: people that this doesn't happen for, but a lot of 710 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: folks you do just naturally want to slow down, yes, 711 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: and you get washed and you want to like go 712 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: to farmers markets and birdwatch and like garden and stuff 713 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: instead of plubbing. I'm not at bird watching yet, no bird, 714 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 1: but you'll get there. There is a little mocking bird, 715 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: like yeah, there's a whole mocking bird that shows up 716 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: in my backyard. You get into it cool, and they're 717 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 1: watching it. 718 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 2: I'm like I remember my grandma watching squirrels, and I'm 719 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 2: like I'm turning in. 720 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: You're doing it, yeah, and it feels nice. Yeah. Yeah. 721 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: I just interviewed Megan Rapino and she's like I'm just 722 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: I'm into photography and cooking, and I'm like, yeah, you're washed, 723 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: like welcome, true, yeah, true, there's beauty in it though, yes, 724 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: but you're also still very busy. Fifth down Capital Avenue, 725 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: Capital Ownership in the group, trying to bring the WNBA 726 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: to Nashville. President of Adidas Women's Basketball on camera gigs 727 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: with TNT and Amazon. A newly announced podcast with the 728 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,800 Speaker 1: Indiana Fever's a Leah Boston board seedscribe subscribe Yeah. Board 729 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: seats for all sorts of things, including unexpected things like 730 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 1: Mike's Hot Honey that you're on the board for by Mike. Hi, honey, 731 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: it's really good. It's so good on pizza if you 732 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 1: get like, you know, like coprese a pizza and then 733 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 1: a little Mike's Hot Honey on top. 734 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 2: Like I'm literally I'm not even kidding. I know I'm 735 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 2: on the board, so technically I should say. 736 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: This, but it is really good. I'm not on the board. 737 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,800 Speaker 1: It's becoming salmon. All that just amazing. 738 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 2: How do you decide what to say yes too? You know, 739 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 2: I think it's more so what I'm saying no too, 740 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 2: and know is a full sentence, And I think you 741 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 2: feel it in your bones when it's not right. 742 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 1: I do not stew over decisions. 743 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,240 Speaker 2: I am one of those decision makers where I feel 744 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 2: like my favorite book is Malcolm Gladwell's Blink, and it 745 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 2: talks about decision making and how we kind of stew 746 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,360 Speaker 2: over all of these things when really it's a snap 747 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 2: decision and you just know. But it's all of everything 748 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 2: connecting for you to just know. It's an intuition, your experience, 749 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 2: and I don't know, I just truly believe in like 750 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 2: my gut and my heart and all of those things aligning. 751 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 2: And so in that process sometimes there are things where 752 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 2: I'm like, no, it just is not going to fit 753 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,720 Speaker 2: into what you know, who I am and how I operate. 754 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 2: And as you get older, you not only birdwatch and 755 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 2: become washed, you also understand the power of no. 756 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 1: And I had to. 757 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 2: Go through that where you're on a plane and you're like, 758 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 2: why did I Why did I decide to do this? 759 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,359 Speaker 2: It's taking away And so I think it's more the 760 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 2: addition part of making sure that it's not subtracting too much. 761 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a great phrase, make sure when you're saying 762 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: yes to something, you're not saying no. To something else, 763 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 1: and you pretty much always are, even if the other 764 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 1: thing is just time at home or time relaxing to 765 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: do something else. One of the things that I think 766 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 1: is hard for legends like you is that at any moment, 767 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 1: you could be giving yourself to something you do want 768 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 1: to say yes to and you do care about. And 769 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 1: I think, especially in women's sports, there's an expectation to 770 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 1: always be giving back, often at low ball prices. I've 771 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,399 Speaker 1: talked to Abby Wambach about this. She's like it took 772 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,839 Speaker 1: her wife, who's outside of the sports world, to tell her, 773 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 1: every time you say yes to that for no money, 774 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: you're allowing them to not pay other women too. And yes, 775 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,239 Speaker 1: you want to help that charity, and yes you want 776 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 1: to help that cause, and yes you want to support 777 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,439 Speaker 1: women's sports. But if you're giving all of your time 778 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 1: and energy and getting nothing back and allowing them to 779 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,959 Speaker 1: do that to everyone else, it just perpetuates the idea 780 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 1: that the value isn't there. And I wonder how you 781 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: handle that. I need to ask for something to prove 782 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: my value, but also I really want to say yes 783 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 1: to these things. Or maybe you don't have time and 784 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 1: you have to say no. How do you reconcile that 785 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 1: with yourself, because I feel tremendous guilt. I'm terrible at 786 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 1: saying no. I always want to sign the thing and 787 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 1: meet the people and help the person, and I need 788 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,359 Speaker 1: to learn how to be better at that. What do 789 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: you tell yourself when you're like, this isn't a fit, 790 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean I don't support it and I'm 791 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: not with you. 792 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 2: Well, first, I'm like you, especially early on, but I 793 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,319 Speaker 2: have people around me now that are like no, your 794 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 2: children mostly just exactly, but like aren't like no, this 795 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 2: is the value and like you said, you're giving up something, 796 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,320 Speaker 2: so it's got to be worth it. And in terms 797 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 2: of women's sports, not just basketball, across the board and 798 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:55,439 Speaker 2: how brands now are hopping on board whereas before it's 799 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,399 Speaker 2: proving your worth. Women have to prove their worth over 800 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,719 Speaker 2: over and over again. And that's what it is. And 801 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 2: you're looking at the WNBA now and a lot of 802 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 2: it had to do with numbers don't lie. Nil does 803 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 2: not lie when you come into the league, and there 804 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,800 Speaker 2: is a price, that's what it is. You looked at 805 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,239 Speaker 2: social media, you looked at nil, you looked at all 806 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 2: of that stuff, and so I think we as individuals especially, 807 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 2: you have to know your worth and you have to 808 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 2: be okay because guess what they did this poll. It's 809 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 2: so funny, especially for Gatorade. I think you were in 810 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 2: the board meeting where they were talking about women together 811 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,959 Speaker 2: in Gatorade and they were talking about how women don't 812 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 2: consider themselves athletes, but a guy that goes and works 813 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 2: out once a week is like. 814 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm an athlete. Yeah, gatory, you. 815 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 2: Know, And so I need to fuel my body exactly. 816 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,799 Speaker 2: I need that level of confidence when we walk into 817 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 2: board meetings that if you work out and walk once. 818 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: A week, you think you're an athlete. 819 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,399 Speaker 2: That's the type of level of confidence that I think 820 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 2: women have to have and understanding this is not, you know, 821 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,399 Speaker 2: discrediting you, This is not being respectful. It's knowing your 822 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,319 Speaker 2: own worth and being willing to walk away from the 823 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 2: table if they're not giving you that. 824 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: And I think we're seeing that across women's sports in 825 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,360 Speaker 1: so many spaces, whether it's the new CBA negotiation, to 826 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,240 Speaker 1: TV deals to anything else. And now that we actually 827 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 1: have the hard data and facts for it, it makes 828 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 1: it a lot easier to walk in those rooms and 829 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 1: be like, hey, look, the Golden State Valkyries are a 830 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 1: six hundred million dollar franchise. They haven't even finished a season, 831 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 1: Like when valuations are that high, when the NWSL is 832 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 1: getting better ratings than a lot of men's leagues and 833 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: they're still getting low ball down their TV rights, like, 834 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,319 Speaker 1: we thankfully have the data now to help step into 835 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,839 Speaker 1: those rooms with that confidence. We can also all buy 836 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 1: a mug that I've seen. That's God, grant me the 837 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 1: confidence of a mediocre white man. My apologies to mediocre 838 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: white men in the room. I see you, Oh that's 839 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 1: a bar, put it on a T shirt. We're out 840 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 1: of time, so I have one last question for you. 841 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 1: What's the dream you have that no one knows about? 842 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: What's the scary haven't had time to do it? Or 843 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: you're too scared to try it. It's stand up comedy, 844 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,880 Speaker 1: it's art, it's acting. Is there anything that always in 845 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,359 Speaker 1: the back of your head you've been like, Oh, I'd 846 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: always like to do that, but you've never done it. 847 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,880 Speaker 2: That's a really so I am such a foodie Like 848 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 2: I'm a foodie and I am a Whino like I 849 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,400 Speaker 2: love wine, I love food like my love language is that? 850 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,319 Speaker 1: Have we changed the meaning of whino or are you're 851 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,440 Speaker 1: trying to get us to reach out with help? I 852 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 1: think it just mean a connoisseur, A connoisseur. Yeah, well 853 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,239 Speaker 1: all right, well yeah, call it what you want, but 854 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,359 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Yeah, love it. 855 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 2: And so I would love to do like a Anthony 856 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 2: Bourdain like sports and wine and food, and I would 857 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 2: love to do that and kind of talk about history. 858 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,920 Speaker 2: I'm a huge I love history and every museum possible. 859 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 2: I've been to the Kennedy Monument over here in Indianapolis. 860 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,799 Speaker 2: Like literally every museum in every city across the world, 861 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 2: I've probably been to at least once. And so I 862 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,759 Speaker 2: think doing some type of show like that would be 863 00:42:58,400 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 2: really cool. 864 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,600 Speaker 1: And there's so many many ballers and former ballers that 865 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,959 Speaker 1: are really in like the wine space and the food space. 866 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: So you could do a really cool kind of collab 867 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,759 Speaker 1: with some folks that get into that. Oh yeah, all right, well, 868 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 1: but happy out there's listening. Call up Candace. 869 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,800 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, and you thank you, Thank you everybody, 870 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 2: you guys. 871 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: Thanks so much to Candace for joining me. Had a 872 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,640 Speaker 1: blast talking tour, and thanks again to Why's for having us. 873 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: We got to take another break when we return a 874 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 1: Yes and featuring a women's hoops legend that'll get you 875 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:43,960 Speaker 1: so many cloud points at Trivia Night. Welcome back Slices. 876 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 1: All Right. So if you listen to Monday Show, you 877 00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,440 Speaker 1: might recall that producer Mesh talked about the WBL, or 878 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,200 Speaker 1: the Women's Professional Basketball League. It was the first pro 879 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,279 Speaker 1: women's hoops league in the US, and it existed from 880 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,200 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight to nineteen eighty one. In the spirit 881 00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 1: of continuing to appreciate the women's sports pioneers laid the 882 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,120 Speaker 1: foundation for the landscape we have today. It's time to 883 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: shine a light on one of the wbl's brightest stars, 884 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 1: which brings us to the latest edition of Yes and 885 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 1: all Right. I think we all know that Indiana Fever 886 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,680 Speaker 1: star Caitlin Clark bleeds Iowa. She's a des Moin native. 887 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 1: Played for the All Iowa Attack, AAU basketball program, and 888 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,719 Speaker 1: went on to the University of Iowa, restoring it to 889 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,960 Speaker 1: a level of prominence it hadn't seen in a very 890 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,759 Speaker 1: long time before she became the number one overall pick 891 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,400 Speaker 1: in the WNBA Draft in twenty twenty four. But before Clark, 892 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,640 Speaker 1: another women's hoops legend thrilled the Hawkeye State. So pull 893 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,399 Speaker 1: out your Iowa history books and you'll find a star 894 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,040 Speaker 1: from the days of the WBL. Molly machine Gun Bowlin, 895 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,520 Speaker 1: now known as Molly Kasmer. Hailing from Moravia, Iowa, Kasmer 896 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,759 Speaker 1: was known for her shooting prowess, and they called her 897 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:54,000 Speaker 1: machine gun because she scored buckets in rapid succession. Her 898 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,920 Speaker 1: lore started very early on in her very first high 899 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,759 Speaker 1: school game as a junior on her sixteenth birthday. This 900 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 1: was back when girls played six player half court and 901 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,880 Speaker 1: could only dribble twice at a time. She scored a 902 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,600 Speaker 1: whopping sixty three points. At seventeen, she was invited to 903 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,080 Speaker 1: the final tryouts for the nineteen seventy six US women's 904 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 1: Olympic basketball team, and while she didn't make that squad, 905 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 1: she did firmly cement herself on the map of US 906 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,359 Speaker 1: based hoopstars, and the legend only grew when in her 907 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,920 Speaker 1: senior year she averaged fifty four point eight points a 908 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,040 Speaker 1: game and notched a school record eighty three points in 909 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 1: a single contest. Kasmir went on to play college hoops 910 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 1: at Grandview College in Des Moines. Only a few years 911 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,400 Speaker 1: after the passage of Title nine and she continued to 912 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,000 Speaker 1: shine there, setting a university record with her twenty four 913 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,880 Speaker 1: point six points per game in the nineteen seventy eight season. 914 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,640 Speaker 1: That same year, she became the first player to sign 915 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,480 Speaker 1: to the WBL, joining the Iowa Cornets. She posted single 916 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,880 Speaker 1: game totals of fifty fifty three, fifty four, and fifty 917 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,719 Speaker 1: five points, including thirty eight and one half, and she 918 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,560 Speaker 1: led the league in scoring with the thirty two point 919 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,880 Speaker 1: eight point average. Kasmir led the Cornets to two WBL 920 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,959 Speaker 1: championship appearances and was a three time WBL All Star 921 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,759 Speaker 1: and Slices Just a quick note. In Cosmar's day, there 922 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,640 Speaker 1: wasn't a three point line, but she was still putting 923 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,600 Speaker 1: up those numbers. During her three years in the WBL. 924 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,239 Speaker 1: She played for the Cornetts, the Southern California Breeze, and 925 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,200 Speaker 1: the San Francisco Pioneers. When the WBL went under in 926 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,960 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one, she became a fierce advocate and player 927 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:24,239 Speaker 1: for another domestic league, the Women's American Basketball Association, continuing 928 00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,000 Speaker 1: the mission to create a sustainable and viable pro basketball 929 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,799 Speaker 1: league in the States. Now, Molly's story isn't one that's 930 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,200 Speaker 1: super well known, but she was one of the folks 931 00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,279 Speaker 1: who played back when the women's pro game was just 932 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,640 Speaker 1: trying to find its footing here in America, and without 933 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,680 Speaker 1: players like Molly laying the foundation, we just wouldn't have 934 00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:44,200 Speaker 1: the stars we do today. So yes, Caitlin Clark and 935 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:50,840 Speaker 1: machine Gun Molly Kasmer. Yes, and we love that you're listening, 936 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,000 Speaker 1: but we want you to get in the game every 937 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 1: day too, So here's our good game play of the day. 938 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,800 Speaker 1: Subscribe to Post Moves Kandas Parker's new podcast with a 939 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,920 Speaker 1: Leah Boston, and subscribe to our friends at the Show, 940 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,799 Speaker 1: Sidney Colson and Teresa Plaisance's new podcast Unsupervised with SIT 941 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,120 Speaker 1: and TP. We'll link to both in our show notes. 942 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,120 Speaker 1: We always love to hear from you. Hit us up 943 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,880 Speaker 1: on email good game at wondermedianetwork dot com or leave 944 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,960 Speaker 1: us a voicemail at eight seven two two oh four 945 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,680 Speaker 1: fifty seventy and y'all, if you haven't yet, you got 946 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:22,360 Speaker 1: to subscribe, rate and review It's Easy watch Embracing Slowing 947 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,719 Speaker 1: Down a Little, rating forty out of forty years to 948 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 1: finally give NOES review Gardening, Cooking, Bird Watching, all of 949 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,319 Speaker 1: our near forty and over forty legends lately are coming 950 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,279 Speaker 1: on the show and reminding us that it's okay to 951 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,360 Speaker 1: be slightly washed. If you'd rather hit a farmer's market 952 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,920 Speaker 1: than a club, rather cook a meal than cook someone 953 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,000 Speaker 1: on the court, that's okay. There's a time and season 954 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,960 Speaker 1: for everything. And my current season trading memes about being 955 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,480 Speaker 1: old and washed with Candice Parker, the one she just 956 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,280 Speaker 1: sent me quote, I understand old men sitting on porches 957 00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:01,080 Speaker 1: staring at an empty field more now than ever. Preach now, 958 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,799 Speaker 1: it's your turn, rate and review. Thanks for listening, See 959 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:08,120 Speaker 1: you tomorrow. Good game, Candace, Good game, Molly Casmer you 960 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,640 Speaker 1: how hard it is to say no? 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