WEBVTT - Draft Preview - Jason La Canfora 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:05.400 Like games over there the world. You plenty to win 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:18.079 the game. He's got it. Jet sucks down. You're listening 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:21.320 to the Official New York Jets Podcast, a Jets three 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:28.360 sixty production. He A, the draft is it's fast approaching. 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:32.040 You could say it's not fast enough, Greens And it 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:33.639 is kind of a slow time of year right now, 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:37.640 between the owners meetings and the NFL Draft. To me, 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:39.840 it's a little slow. There's a lot of hoop while 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:43.600 out there. You read a lot are every day because 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:46.040 you know you're here at the facility. You're seeing prospects 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:47.960 come in left and right because the Jets are in 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:50.920 the middle of their prospect physics right now. But that's 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:54.560 all wrapping up. And then Mike mccagnan and Brian Himendinger, 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:57.880 uh Todd Bowls, all the scouts, everybody's gonna get together. 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:00.680 They put the big board together, and we're not that 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:04.080 far away. Two weeks is a long time, to say 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:07.360 the least, especially in the NFL world. Later in the show, 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:10.360 today again the Official Jets Podcast with Ethan Greenberg and 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:13.600 Eric Allen, we're gonna bring in CBS Sports Jason Locking 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:17.200 for all things draft, maybe a little free agency recap 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:19.520 there to get his opinions, because he's a very intelligent 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:24.440 guy throughout the National Football League. Nfellow Syracuse alum, I 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.120 didn't even say it, but yeah, I had to bring 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:28.600 off because I know that would put you in a 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:32.360 good mood. Thank you. I appreciate that. I guess e A. 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:36.040 My question he would be like, as only a couple 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:39.400 of weeks away now, is what what can really change 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:43.240 between now and the NFL Draft. Well, I don't know 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:52.040 if teams at this point today have their final grades 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:57.160 set on everybody. They're still collecting and processing information and 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:01.560 it's not there as far as we know exactly who 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:04.000 we're taking. I bet you, if you want to Cleveland 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:07.520 right now they have the number one overall selection, I 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:11.239 bet you a hundred percent. They don't know who they're taking. 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:13.680 They might have a good idea, but I don't know 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:16.840 if they're there yet. So I still think, you know, 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:20.120 you gotta be very thorough in the process. And you know, 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:22.520 for the Jets, you're sitting there at number three overall, 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:24.600 But not only are you sitting there at number three, 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:28.280 what can change? Greens? They have six traffics. Let's take 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:31.520 into account not only number three, which we will focus 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:34.919 on today because we're not gonna bury the lead, per se, 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:38.040 but those picks in the third, the fourth, the fifth, 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:42.119 the six, those are all very important. Is you continue 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:44.760 to build depth to your program. So I think a 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.800 ton of things can change. You go Thursday night and 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:52.200 it's just one round, but then it really starts again. 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:56.440 It starts a new on Friday with rounds two and three, 0:02:56.560 --> 0:03:00.760 and then the day three is hugely important top of 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:04.240 your team as you continue to build, and then the 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:06.560 coaching staff has to take these guys and mold them. 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:10.840 And what are those late day gems you can find 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:13.920 that can help you out down the line. Bottom line, 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:17.480 We're gonna focus in on a lot of number three, 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.040 but a ton can change because we don't know who 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:23.040 the Browns are selecting. Did the Giants know exactly what 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:25.560 they're going to do? I don't know. I mean, maybe 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.239 they're gonna be taking a lot of calls about people 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:30.760 want to come up and take a quarterback at two 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:34.079 and the other thing you have to do and I'm 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:36.240 giving you a long winded answer, but I'm all over 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:38.360 the place because I'm so excited about this is that 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:40.920 if you're in a war room right now, or if 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:42.720 you're in a draft room right now, I should say 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:45.120 you have to say, well, I think Cleveland's gonna do this, 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:47.560 but what if the Giants do this? But what if 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:50.160 the Bills come up to two? Who are the guys 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:53.160 are going to be there? And you might be on 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:57.680 the clock at three not knowing exactly who those teams 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:00.640 are going to take until it actually have been. It 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:03.160 seems that a lot of these big conversations, like what 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:05.360 you're saying is, you know, if you're in the war 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:08.920 room and you're Mike mccagnet and Brian himer Dinger and 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:12.680 the rest of the talent evaluation across the collegiate level, 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:15.200 is you're asking, Okay, well, what are the Browns gonna do? 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:17.520 What are the Giants gonna do? Does this team look 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:20.560 like they're gonna move up and potentially trade ahead of 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:25.320 the Jets general he said that the Jets pay attention 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:27.520 to mock drafts. Well, yeah, And I think it's funny 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:31.440 because a lot of those same conversations are probably happening 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:34.480 not only inside the football world, but as a water 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:39.120 cooler conversation throughout fans across the league. And I think 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:42.640 that's pretty interesting because there are a thousand different scenarios 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:45.720 based on who gets drafted where and who moves up 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.080 and who moves back. And I think that's just the 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:50.719 nature of the beast in the NFL draft and why 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.760 it's so exciting because it is unpredictable, because you couldn't 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.520 expect the Kansas City Chiefs to move up seventeen spots 0:04:56.640 --> 0:05:00.120 and draft Patrick Mahomes. No. But what you're seeing two 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.640 thousand and eight team draft class, and I'd like to 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:06.280 get your thoughts on this, is that the way people 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:09.240 are talking about the quarterbacks right now is that you 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:13.440 have this top quartet and that's in any order you're 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:17.560 gonna put it. It's San Donald, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:23.560 and Baker Mayfield. But how do teams stack them up together? 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:27.640 And what the Jets did by moving up to number 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.279 three from number six, they've been sured and staring at 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:33.200 least two of those four. Now, if the Giants take 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:37.200 a positional player, you'll be staring at three of those four. 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:41.680 I'd be fascinated. And all what other clubs think of 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:45.039 guys like Lamar Jackson and Mason Rudolph and you know 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:48.479 we're gonna ask Jason lacap about that. Could we have 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:50.880 half a dozen quarterbacks go in the first round. I 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:54.080 think it's probably very possible. I think so too, and 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:58.000 especially if the quartet like you mentioned in Sam Donald, 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:01.080 Josh Roseen, Josh Island, and Baker mayfew. If those guys 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:04.599 go real early that I think it bumps up where 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:08.560 someone like Lamar Jackson or Mason Rudolph gets selected, because 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.960 if four of the top five picks or quarterbacks, then 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:14.480 you're looking if you want the next best guy, you 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:16.760 gotta make a move to make sure that you get 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:19.680 that guy, similar to the way the Jets moved up 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:22.479 to ensure that they're facing at least two of the 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:26.280 top four prospects come the third overall selection. Again, as 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:30.200 we sit here, I think the prevailing notion from people 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:33.440 who covered the National Football League on a daily basis, 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.960 the belief is Cleveland is going to go either Josh 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:41.560 Allen or Sam Donald at two. I don't sense that 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.800 people have a good read on the Giants. Whatsoever could 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:47.520 they take a quarterback? What do they think about Davis Webb. 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:50.560 We know that they're committed to Eli Manning. With that 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:54.080 being said, they still could take a quarterback. And if 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.760 Donald comes off the board at one with the Giants, 0:06:56.760 --> 0:07:01.479 be interested in Ellen or Rosen or one of those 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:04.120 clubs that everybody talks about, whether it's the Buffalo Bills, 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:08.480 maybe the Miami Dolphins, maybe Arizona. Will they make those 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:14.080 calls because they like their guy at two? And at 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:16.280 what point for some of these teams was a price 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:20.560 too high? I don't know. If you asked me today, 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:23.280 I couldn't tell you quarterback. I would say it's a 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:26.239 d percent go on one. I have no idea what's happening. 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.240 It's a couple of things in regards the Giants. Is 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.440 I know a lot of analysts have project the Bills 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:35.640 as a likely trade partner to number two. But if 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:37.880 you're Dave Gentleman and the Giants, is, are you really 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:41.240 comfortable moving back ten spots? Because this is a draft 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:45.720 that many people believe there's only a few select blue 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:48.480 chippers in this draft and then the talent level drops off. 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:51.960 But there's really good depth. I think something it's very 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:55.720 interesting because Eli Manning is, you know, at the ladder 0:07:56.120 --> 0:08:01.600 half maybe ladder eighth of his career, Yeah, eight years old? 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:05.400 Is how often are you picking top three overall, so 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.760 you know, you might you know, it may seem obvious 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:10.960 that they're gonna draft a quarterback, but if you really 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:13.320 do believe in Eli Manning and you're not sold on 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.040 any of these guys, then maybe you just want someone 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.040 like Bradley Chubb. Because they just traded Jason Pierre Paul 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:22.680 to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers last month, so there are 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.680 really a thousand different combinations to the lock All right, 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.560 are you just mentioned Jason. Let's bring in Jason Lockett 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.520 four and continue to talk about the draft here in 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:40.280 a moment without further ado. Let's bring in Jason Lockett 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:43.840 four of CBS Sports. What have you thought of the 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:48.640 Jets off season to date? Specifically, early on Plan A, 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:51.920 they targeted Kirk Cousins in free agency, but then they 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:56.000 pivoted quickly. Yeah. I mean, look, you've always got to 0:08:56.040 --> 0:09:01.400 have contingencies. And as much as they knew the extent 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:03.720 to which they were willing to go for Kirk Cousins 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:06.160 and as much as they wanted to present a plan 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:08.200 to him, that made it clear that, look, we're prepared 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:11.480 to build this franchise around you and pay you, you know, 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:13.839 in ways that no one, frankly has ever been paid 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:17.000 in this league before they knew that Minnesota had a 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:20.160 different sort of point in their sort of evolution. And 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:22.360 you know, there were certain things that the Vikings could 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.199 offer that the Jets, frankly, just couldn't right now. So 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:27.360 it's not as if they ever as much as they 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:29.560 were all in on Kirk Cousins that he was the 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:33.480 only person. And obviously there was some other backup quarterbacks, 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.360 you know, one with some upside and teddy and one 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:38.760 who frankly was i mean, one of the top five 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:41.600 to six quarterbacks in the a f C. And maybe 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:43.520 I'm selling them shut. Maybe I mean it might be 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.960 more like three to five, considering the down years a 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:48.760 lot of guys had in this conference last year, and 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:52.240 the cown who obviously is already a scheme fit and 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:56.640 who has proven to be one of the premier quarterback mentors, 0:09:56.640 --> 0:10:00.640 all around good guys, perfect bridge quarterbacks in the NFL. 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:02.199 The problem for the Jets is they haven't had the 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:04.480 guy on the other side of that bridge to bring along. 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:07.920 And we they're about the case that um with the 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:13.440 third overall pick, and clearly they did you know, anybody 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:15.959 who thinks that, oh, well, they reversed course and started 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:19.120 really getting in on these young quarterbacks once they lost 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:22.080 Cousins is foolish and naive. They've always been going down 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:25.720 to parallel pass one. We want to do as much 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:27.800 work on all these kids so that we feel comfortable 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:30.520 about getting the best guy possible for our franchise if 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:33.080 we need to use that selection on the quarterback, and 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:34.520 we're also going to throw a lot of money and 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:36.880 energy at Kirk Cousins, and you know now they're at 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:38.839 a point where they're gonna be drafting our quarterback. We're 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.600 gonna talk a lot about quarterbacks. There's no doubt about that. 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:46.360 But you mentioned that obviously Reese si McCown with a 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:50.240 lower risk, potentially high reward signing at Sundy Bridgewater the 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:53.439 star of the free agency class for the Jets, of course, 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:57.920 true Maine Johnson and also Jason They've been very active, 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:01.679 but they've set themselves up long term because they have 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:03.800 a lot of money under the camp again in two 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:07.199 thousand nineteen, where you know better than I do, I 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:10.400 guess that class is supposed to be star studded. We'll 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:13.600 see what happens when we get there next France. Yeah, 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:16.480 I mean we'll see it in this day and age. 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:19.120 I'm not sure how star studied any free agent class 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:21.480 is going to be, because the cab continues to grow, 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.719 and as teams continue to realize we'd rather reinvest in 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:27.240 our own guys and take chances in free agency. And 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:30.640 as we've seen, I mean, we've got guards making thirty 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:32.679 million guaranteed over to you know, we got guards being 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:34.959 paid like left tackles. We got numbers three and four 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:38.040 wide receivers being paid like number ones in free agency. 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:41.040 As much as the Jets were prepared to spend, there 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:43.440 were thresholds where they you know, they just weren't going 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:45.640 to go to They weren't going to give Dante Montre 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:47.720 ten million dollars just to walk into building. And there's 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:50.240 certain other guys they liked, but but at a certain 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:52.559 price point, and you bend a little more for some 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:55.679 uh more than others. I mean, you mentioned true that 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:59.120 that's a player that, um, they've been well aware of 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:01.440 for a long time. You mentioned Brian Hyman Ding. I mean, 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.319 Brian obviously came from the RAMS organization. You know, he 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:06.679 was around Jeff Fisher and all those guys, and and 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:09.480 a part of their scouting staff when they were bringing 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:12.200 true and into the league. So they you know, they've 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.079 got a pretty good book on him and they know 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:18.160 what they're getting. And obviously landing a guy or two 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:21.760 to help supplement the young safeties that that they're developing 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:26.079 um and that in that defensive secondary was something that 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:28.920 had to do in free agency, you know, and they 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:32.920 did it um and I mean as as much as 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:36.440 they you know, as they did in free agency. They're 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:39.079 also at a point now to where this is about 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:42.640 player development and about you know, they were a young 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:45.720 team last year, really young, and I felt punched above 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:49.559 their weight class more weeks than not. And where you know, 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:52.280 if those guys stay on, enough of those guys stay 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:55.840 on that trajectory next year, then you know that lessons 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:57.839 the need to go out and spend it five or 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:01.040 six positions in free agency because ultimately, you know, they 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:02.839 want to be a team whose bread and butter is 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:05.760 the draft. You're down there in Maryland, Jason, what do 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:10.040 you think about Terrell Prior's edition. Obviously last year a 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:12.240 tough one for him since he got hurt early in 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:15.000 the year, But that year prior in two thousand and 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:17.400 six yeen he broke out in Cleveland. And speaking of 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:20.280 the former Browns, how about Isaiah kroll All as well? 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:22.959 What about those two guys? What potentially they could add 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:26.040 to this offense? Yeah, I mean, look, it's it's it's 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.720 low risk endeavors. Those are positions that they may continue 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:32.559 drafting at in the mid rounds or whatever. But in 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:35.400 the meantime, you know, you want to have NFL caliber 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:38.040 players helping to supplement your roster. And would you rather 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:41.040 take Terrell Prior or would you rather give Moncree ten 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:44.120 million just for showing up at Mark Easley eighteen million 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:47.080 guaranteed over two years just because he caught some balls 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:49.440 in this league, or a thirty three year old Jordy 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.640 Nelson guarantee him two years at fifteen million, even though 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:55.240 if you don't know he could still run. If that's 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:57.640 where things are going and it's that haywire, then you're 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:00.520 gonna have to keep drafting skill guys. And I'll take 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:03.680 my shot with Prior on a relatively no frills look 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.120 see kind of a situation. And look, Crowell was a 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:09.280 guy who has shown that he can carry a heavy load. 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:11.920 He didn't really get that heavy. The load though, because 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.280 the Browns were often behind in games and chucking it 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:16.880 all over the place, and you know Kaiser throwing picks 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.120 in the end on it all that, I think he 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:22.720 was kind of awkwardly utilized. I'll maybe frame it that way, 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:25.400 but someone who could be a grinder for them and 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:28.320 just helped keep the chains moving. But again, would not 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:30.880 shock me if they're doing something with a running back 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.640 at some point in this draft as well. Jason, where 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:35.880 do you stand with this quarterback class coming out of 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.960 the draft with Sam Donald, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, and 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.520 Baker Mayfield. And I know that you recently wrote that 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.000 you don't believe Josh Allen is gonna make it past 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:48.120 number three come April. I don't. I mean, look, he 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:50.160 may not make it to two. I mean he's certainly 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:52.520 in play with the Cleveland Browns and that maybe John 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:55.640 Dorsey's liking you know too. I can't tell you I 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:57.160 know what the Giants are gonna do. I don't know 0:14:57.200 --> 0:14:59.320 that the Giants absolutely know what the Giants are going 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.720 to do. I think he should draft a quarterback, but 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.000 at the end of the day, they could be trading 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:05.920 out of that spot. I could see the Bills going 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:09.280 up to two and taking Donald. I could see the 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:12.440 Giants taking a quarterback just because logic would dictate it. 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:14.280 Or I could see Dave Gentleman saying, I'm rolling with 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:16.920 Eli for two years and I'm gonna take Chubber Barkley 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:19.880 because they're the best players on my board. But if 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:22.120 you made me guests right now, if you made me 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:24.480 do a mock draft right now, and I will refuse 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:26.240 to do that until the day of the draft because 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:28.200 you just don't know, and there's two weeks out. Seems 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:32.000 like it's close. It's an eternity in terms of information gathering. 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:36.880 What are people missing on Allen? I guess externally because 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:41.360 you're talking about Allen that potentially he goes number one overall. 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:45.200 I was at the NFL Owners meetings in Orlando, Florida, 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:48.120 and you got the feel from a lot of NFL 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:53.040 personnel executives and guys who watched the game inside and 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:57.360 out that hey, this guy has an incredible ceiling that 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:00.760 did Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's that's really it. Like 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.600 the other ones. Like I guess, if you ask people 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:06.239 who's the most pop maybe they like the most polished, 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:09.800 Like the guy who if you want to, I won't say, well, 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.640 maybe i'd say relatively play it's safe, you know, And 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:14.120 you know, you want to get a guy who can 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:15.960 play in the league for a long time. Now, he 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:18.600 may never go to a Pro Bowl, but he's probably 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:20.560 not going to peat down his leg right. He's probably 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:22.680 not going to be a guy who you don't pick 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.600 up the fifth year option on. Then I think it's donald. 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:27.840 If you're not trying to hit a double, if you're 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:30.600 trying to hit a Grand Slam, if you're trying to 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:34.840 find a Brett Farve tight, well, this chip fits the mode. 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:39.440 Now he may he may not. You know, he could 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:42.400 be Jake Locker, you know. I mean that it's not 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.120 out of the question. There's a lot of projecting involved. 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:49.080 But if you're looking for a guy who could you know, potentially, 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:51.640 if he puts it all together, if the accuracy comes together, 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:55.160 he fixes a few things could jump off the screen, 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:58.440 that's him. But are you a gambler? Aren't you? And 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:01.520 what makes sense for your program? And it's gonna be 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:03.840 Dorsey's call. It's not gonna be you Jackson's call. It's 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:06.520 not gonna be you know. I mean, the owner will 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:08.800 absolutely be involved. But at the end of the day, 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.520 I think this is gonna be John Dorsey's call. He's 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:13.560 gonna keep it very close to the vest, probably just 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.240 him in the owner. And does he do what he 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:18.480 did a year ago in Kansas City where Dorsey was 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:22.080 very involved with them, ultimately making a big trade to 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.960 go up and get Patrick Mahomes big arm, you know, 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:28.199 all that same gun slinger stuff, just you know, eleven 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:31.640 months ago. At one point, does the price become too 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:35.120 steep for Buffalo to come up to number two? Because 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:37.720 you mentioned them before and a lot of people have 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:41.000 talked about their draft capital, and sure enough, they do 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.040 have a lot of draft capital. Jason, what when you're 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.960 just looking at number twelve and I believe what is 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.400 the twenty one or twenty two? Overall? That's not gonna 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:52.920 get you to two? And is it three? Number ones? 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:56.400 Is it a couple of two? Is an additional three? 0:17:56.480 --> 0:18:00.280 At what point does it become two? Price? See for 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:04.320 Brandon being and anybody to come up to that number 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:07.160 two spots? If the Giants are really gonna sell out 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:09.200 of there, well, the question is do I have to 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:12.240 go to two? You're talking to two? Or and really right, 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:14.719 now is the dead spell, right, Don't believe a lot 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:17.000 of what you see Right now, everyone's in bunker mode. 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:19.760 All these teams are having their you know, eight hours 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:22.959 a day meeting on position groups and setting their master boards, 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:25.720 and they're entertaining these kids on trips, and everybody's in 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:28.159 sort of their own private Idaho. And then when that 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:31.879 process ends by next weekend, all the Gophers pop out 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:34.119 of their holes and they know what their boards look like, 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:35.880 and they start trying to figure out everybody else's boards 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:37.119 look like, you know what I mean? And if there 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:39.760 guy's there for you and this guy's there for us, 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:42.720 maybe that's a match. And that's when you start finding 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:45.120 out where the preferences are because you have to tip 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:47.040 your hand a little bit if you're looking to move 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:50.400 up or down or whatever. There's you know, communication lines 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:53.760 are open right now. What's the best case scenario do 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:56.240 you think for the Jets? If you're a fan of 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:59.919 this team, what do you want to happen up top before? 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:03.240 Were you're on the clock at three? Look if the 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:06.280 Browns take a quarterback and they're going to and let's 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:08.200 say that I would be rooting for the Giants to 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:10.800 stay there. And take a non quarterback, because now my 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:14.440 organization is going to have three of the supposed top 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.800 four there. Then they're going to be in a position 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:21.280 to I mean, maybe even move back a pick or two. 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:22.840 I mean, who knows. I mean, I guess it depends 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:24.400 how far down the rabbit hole you want to get. 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:28.200 But the more quarterbacks on the board, I would suggest, 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:30.600 the better for them, the less likely it is that 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:34.320 they took Guy A or Guy B. But this draft 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:36.840 is I mean, this is not like the r G 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:39.840 three Luck draft. You know, it's not even like the 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:42.560 wentz Goff draft, where maybe you have them in some 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:45.000 order or the other. Um. And look, a lot of 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:47.960 evaluators who I'm type with weren't real high on golf. 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:50.679 But he obviously played very well for McVey last year. 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:52.520 But you know, you kind of knew who the first 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:55.080 two were like when I talked to people with teams 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:57.680 who aren't drafting quarterbacks, at least not draft them in 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:00.240 the first round. But you're still evaluating him. But he 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:02.800 still had scouts in all these games. And I say, 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:05.240 give me your quarterbacks one through five. No one gives 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:08.040 them to me in the same order. No, And it's 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:11.960 not like, Okay, well, one and four and five roys 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:14.320 the same, but two and three or flipped Like there's 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:18.520 people who adamantly believe that Mason Rudolph is the third 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:20.800 best quarterback in this draft, and there's others who say 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:22.480 I wouldn't take him in the third round. I don't 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:25.800 know that there's any sort of true consensus, at least 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:27.480 I haven't been able to clean them. Do you think 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:30.119 there's any kind of uh, when you're looking at a 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:34.640 system fit. Jeremy Bates taken over now is offensive coordinator, 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:38.320 had tremendous success last year with Josh McCown. You mentioned 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:42.200