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Speaker 1: to the Official New York Jets Podcast, a Jets three
Speaker 1: sixty production. He A, the draft is it's fast approaching.
Speaker 1: You could say it's not fast enough, Greens And it
Speaker 1: is kind of a slow time of year right now,
Speaker 1: between the owners meetings and the NFL Draft. To me,
Speaker 1: it's a little slow. There's a lot of hoop while
Speaker 1: out there. You read a lot are every day because
Speaker 1: you know you're here at the facility. You're seeing prospects
Speaker 1: come in left and right because the Jets are in
Speaker 1: the middle of their prospect physics right now. But that's
Speaker 1: all wrapping up. And then Mike mccagnan and Brian Himendinger,
Speaker 1: uh Todd Bowls, all the scouts, everybody's gonna get together.
Speaker 1: They put the big board together, and we're not that
Speaker 1: far away. Two weeks is a long time, to say
Speaker 1: the least, especially in the NFL world. Later in the show,
Speaker 1: today again the Official Jets Podcast with Ethan Greenberg and
Speaker 1: Eric Allen, we're gonna bring in CBS Sports Jason Locking
Speaker 1: for all things draft, maybe a little free agency recap
Speaker 1: there to get his opinions, because he's a very intelligent
Speaker 1: guy throughout the National Football League. Nfellow Syracuse alum, I
Speaker 1: didn't even say it, but yeah, I had to bring
Speaker 1: off because I know that would put you in a
Speaker 1: good mood. Thank you. I appreciate that. I guess e A.
Speaker 1: My question he would be like, as only a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks away now, is what what can really change
Speaker 1: between now and the NFL Draft. Well, I don't know
Speaker 1: if teams at this point today have their final grades
Speaker 1: set on everybody. They're still collecting and processing information and
Speaker 1: it's not there as far as we know exactly who
Speaker 1: we're taking. I bet you, if you want to Cleveland
Speaker 1: right now they have the number one overall selection, I
Speaker 1: bet you a hundred percent. They don't know who they're taking.
Speaker 1: They might have a good idea, but I don't know
Speaker 1: if they're there yet. So I still think, you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta be very thorough in the process. And you know,
Speaker 1: for the Jets, you're sitting there at number three overall,
Speaker 1: But not only are you sitting there at number three,
Speaker 1: what can change? Greens? They have six traffics. Let's take
Speaker 1: into account not only number three, which we will focus
Speaker 1: on today because we're not gonna bury the lead, per se,
Speaker 1: but those picks in the third, the fourth, the fifth,
Speaker 1: the six, those are all very important. Is you continue
Speaker 1: to build depth to your program. So I think a
Speaker 1: ton of things can change. You go Thursday night and
Speaker 1: it's just one round, but then it really starts again.
Speaker 1: It starts a new on Friday with rounds two and three,
Speaker 1: and then the day three is hugely important top of
Speaker 1: your team as you continue to build, and then the
Speaker 1: coaching staff has to take these guys and mold them.
Speaker 1: And what are those late day gems you can find
Speaker 1: that can help you out down the line. Bottom line,
Speaker 1: We're gonna focus in on a lot of number three,
Speaker 1: but a ton can change because we don't know who
Speaker 1: the Browns are selecting. Did the Giants know exactly what
Speaker 1: they're going to do? I don't know. I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: they're gonna be taking a lot of calls about people
Speaker 1: want to come up and take a quarterback at two
Speaker 1: and the other thing you have to do and I'm
Speaker 1: giving you a long winded answer, but I'm all over
Speaker 1: the place because I'm so excited about this is that
Speaker 1: if you're in a war room right now, or if
Speaker 1: you're in a draft room right now, I should say
Speaker 1: you have to say, well, I think Cleveland's gonna do this,
Speaker 1: but what if the Giants do this? But what if
Speaker 1: the Bills come up to two? Who are the guys
Speaker 1: are going to be there? And you might be on
Speaker 1: the clock at three not knowing exactly who those teams
Speaker 1: are going to take until it actually have been. It
Speaker 1: seems that a lot of these big conversations, like what
Speaker 1: you're saying is, you know, if you're in the war
Speaker 1: room and you're Mike mccagnet and Brian himer Dinger and
Speaker 1: the rest of the talent evaluation across the collegiate level,
Speaker 1: is you're asking, Okay, well, what are the Browns gonna do?
Speaker 1: What are the Giants gonna do? Does this team look
Speaker 1: like they're gonna move up and potentially trade ahead of
Speaker 1: the Jets general he said that the Jets pay attention
Speaker 1: to mock drafts. Well, yeah, And I think it's funny
Speaker 1: because a lot of those same conversations are probably happening
Speaker 1: not only inside the football world, but as a water
Speaker 1: cooler conversation throughout fans across the league. And I think
Speaker 1: that's pretty interesting because there are a thousand different scenarios
Speaker 1: based on who gets drafted where and who moves up
Speaker 1: and who moves back. And I think that's just the
Speaker 1: nature of the beast in the NFL draft and why
Speaker 1: it's so exciting because it is unpredictable, because you couldn't
Speaker 1: expect the Kansas City Chiefs to move up seventeen spots
Speaker 1: and draft Patrick Mahomes. No. But what you're seeing two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight team draft class, and I'd like to
Speaker 1: get your thoughts on this, is that the way people
Speaker 1: are talking about the quarterbacks right now is that you
Speaker 1: have this top quartet and that's in any order you're
Speaker 1: gonna put it. It's San Donald, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: and Baker Mayfield. But how do teams stack them up together?
Speaker 1: And what the Jets did by moving up to number
Speaker 1: three from number six, they've been sured and staring at
Speaker 1: least two of those four. Now, if the Giants take
Speaker 1: a positional player, you'll be staring at three of those four.
Speaker 1: I'd be fascinated. And all what other clubs think of
Speaker 1: guys like Lamar Jackson and Mason Rudolph and you know
Speaker 1: we're gonna ask Jason lacap about that. Could we have
Speaker 1: half a dozen quarterbacks go in the first round. I
Speaker 1: think it's probably very possible. I think so too, and
Speaker 1: especially if the quartet like you mentioned in Sam Donald,
Speaker 1: Josh Roseen, Josh Island, and Baker mayfew. If those guys
Speaker 1: go real early that I think it bumps up where
Speaker 1: someone like Lamar Jackson or Mason Rudolph gets selected, because
Speaker 1: if four of the top five picks or quarterbacks, then
Speaker 1: you're looking if you want the next best guy, you
Speaker 1: gotta make a move to make sure that you get
Speaker 1: that guy, similar to the way the Jets moved up
Speaker 1: to ensure that they're facing at least two of the
Speaker 1: top four prospects come the third overall selection. Again, as
Speaker 1: we sit here, I think the prevailing notion from people
Speaker 1: who covered the National Football League on a daily basis,
Speaker 1: the belief is Cleveland is going to go either Josh
Speaker 1: Allen or Sam Donald at two. I don't sense that
Speaker 1: people have a good read on the Giants. Whatsoever could
Speaker 1: they take a quarterback? What do they think about Davis Webb.
Speaker 1: We know that they're committed to Eli Manning. With that
Speaker 1: being said, they still could take a quarterback. And if
Speaker 1: Donald comes off the board at one with the Giants,
Speaker 1: be interested in Ellen or Rosen or one of those
Speaker 1: clubs that everybody talks about, whether it's the Buffalo Bills,
Speaker 1: maybe the Miami Dolphins, maybe Arizona. Will they make those
Speaker 1: calls because they like their guy at two? And at
Speaker 1: what point for some of these teams was a price
Speaker 1: too high? I don't know. If you asked me today,
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you quarterback. I would say it's a
Speaker 1: d percent go on one. I have no idea what's happening.
Speaker 1: It's a couple of things in regards the Giants. Is
Speaker 1: I know a lot of analysts have project the Bills
Speaker 1: as a likely trade partner to number two. But if
Speaker 1: you're Dave Gentleman and the Giants, is, are you really
Speaker 1: comfortable moving back ten spots? Because this is a draft
Speaker 1: that many people believe there's only a few select blue
Speaker 1: chippers in this draft and then the talent level drops off.
Speaker 1: But there's really good depth. I think something it's very
Speaker 1: interesting because Eli Manning is, you know, at the ladder
Speaker 1: half maybe ladder eighth of his career, Yeah, eight years old?
Speaker 1: Is how often are you picking top three overall, so
Speaker 1: you know, you might you know, it may seem obvious
Speaker 1: that they're gonna draft a quarterback, but if you really
Speaker 1: do believe in Eli Manning and you're not sold on
Speaker 1: any of these guys, then maybe you just want someone
Speaker 1: like Bradley Chubb. Because they just traded Jason Pierre Paul
Speaker 1: to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers last month, so there are
Speaker 1: really a thousand different combinations to the lock All right,
Speaker 1: are you just mentioned Jason. Let's bring in Jason Lockett
Speaker 1: four and continue to talk about the draft here in
Speaker 1: a moment without further ado. Let's bring in Jason Lockett
Speaker 1: four of CBS Sports. What have you thought of the
Speaker 1: Jets off season to date? Specifically, early on Plan A,
Speaker 1: they targeted Kirk Cousins in free agency, but then they
Speaker 1: pivoted quickly. Yeah. I mean, look, you've always got to
Speaker 1: have contingencies. And as much as they knew the extent
Speaker 1: to which they were willing to go for Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: and as much as they wanted to present a plan
Speaker 1: to him, that made it clear that, look, we're prepared
Speaker 1: to build this franchise around you and pay you, you know,
Speaker 1: in ways that no one, frankly has ever been paid
Speaker 1: in this league before they knew that Minnesota had a
Speaker 1: different sort of point in their sort of evolution. And
Speaker 1: you know, there were certain things that the Vikings could
Speaker 1: offer that the Jets, frankly, just couldn't right now. So
Speaker 1: it's not as if they ever as much as they
Speaker 1: were all in on Kirk Cousins that he was the
Speaker 1: only person. And obviously there was some other backup quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: you know, one with some upside and teddy and one
Speaker 1: who frankly was i mean, one of the top five
Speaker 1: to six quarterbacks in the a f C. And maybe
Speaker 1: I'm selling them shut. Maybe I mean it might be
Speaker 1: more like three to five, considering the down years a
Speaker 1: lot of guys had in this conference last year, and
Speaker 1: the cown who obviously is already a scheme fit and
Speaker 1: who has proven to be one of the premier quarterback mentors,
Speaker 1: all around good guys, perfect bridge quarterbacks in the NFL.
Speaker 1: The problem for the Jets is they haven't had the
Speaker 1: guy on the other side of that bridge to bring along.
Speaker 1: And we they're about the case that um with the
Speaker 1: third overall pick, and clearly they did you know, anybody
Speaker 1: who thinks that, oh, well, they reversed course and started
Speaker 1: really getting in on these young quarterbacks once they lost
Speaker 1: Cousins is foolish and naive. They've always been going down
Speaker 1: to parallel pass one. We want to do as much
Speaker 1: work on all these kids so that we feel comfortable
Speaker 1: about getting the best guy possible for our franchise if
Speaker 1: we need to use that selection on the quarterback, and
Speaker 1: we're also going to throw a lot of money and
Speaker 1: energy at Kirk Cousins, and you know now they're at
Speaker 1: a point where they're gonna be drafting our quarterback. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk a lot about quarterbacks. There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 1: But you mentioned that obviously Reese si McCown with a
Speaker 1: lower risk, potentially high reward signing at Sundy Bridgewater the
Speaker 1: star of the free agency class for the Jets, of course,
Speaker 1: true Maine Johnson and also Jason They've been very active,
Speaker 1: but they've set themselves up long term because they have
Speaker 1: a lot of money under the camp again in two
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen, where you know better than I do, I
Speaker 1: guess that class is supposed to be star studded. We'll
Speaker 1: see what happens when we get there next France. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we'll see it in this day and age.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how star studied any free agent class
Speaker 1: is going to be, because the cab continues to grow,
Speaker 1: and as teams continue to realize we'd rather reinvest in
Speaker 1: our own guys and take chances in free agency. And
Speaker 1: as we've seen, I mean, we've got guards making thirty
Speaker 1: million guaranteed over to you know, we got guards being
Speaker 1: paid like left tackles. We got numbers three and four
Speaker 1: wide receivers being paid like number ones in free agency.
Speaker 1: As much as the Jets were prepared to spend, there
Speaker 1: were thresholds where they you know, they just weren't going
Speaker 1: to go to They weren't going to give Dante Montre
Speaker 1: ten million dollars just to walk into building. And there's
Speaker 1: certain other guys they liked, but but at a certain
Speaker 1: price point, and you bend a little more for some
Speaker 1: uh more than others. I mean, you mentioned true that
Speaker 1: that's a player that, um, they've been well aware of
Speaker 1: for a long time. You mentioned Brian Hyman Ding. I mean,
Speaker 1: Brian obviously came from the RAMS organization. You know, he
Speaker 1: was around Jeff Fisher and all those guys, and and
Speaker 1: a part of their scouting staff when they were bringing
Speaker 1: true and into the league. So they you know, they've
Speaker 1: got a pretty good book on him and they know
Speaker 1: what they're getting. And obviously landing a guy or two
Speaker 1: to help supplement the young safeties that that they're developing
Speaker 1: um and that in that defensive secondary was something that
Speaker 1: had to do in free agency, you know, and they
Speaker 1: did it um and I mean as as much as
Speaker 1: they you know, as they did in free agency. They're
Speaker 1: also at a point now to where this is about
Speaker 1: player development and about you know, they were a young
Speaker 1: team last year, really young, and I felt punched above
Speaker 1: their weight class more weeks than not. And where you know,
Speaker 1: if those guys stay on, enough of those guys stay
Speaker 1: on that trajectory next year, then you know that lessons
Speaker 1: the need to go out and spend it five or
Speaker 1: six positions in free agency because ultimately, you know, they
Speaker 1: want to be a team whose bread and butter is
Speaker 1: the draft. You're down there in Maryland, Jason, what do
Speaker 1: you think about Terrell Prior's edition. Obviously last year a
Speaker 1: tough one for him since he got hurt early in
Speaker 1: the year, But that year prior in two thousand and
Speaker 1: six yeen he broke out in Cleveland. And speaking of
Speaker 1: the former Browns, how about Isaiah kroll All as well?
Speaker 1: What about those two guys? What potentially they could add
Speaker 1: to this offense? Yeah, I mean, look, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: low risk endeavors. Those are positions that they may continue
Speaker 1: drafting at in the mid rounds or whatever. But in
Speaker 1: the meantime, you know, you want to have NFL caliber
Speaker 1: players helping to supplement your roster. And would you rather
Speaker 1: take Terrell Prior or would you rather give Moncree ten
Speaker 1: million just for showing up at Mark Easley eighteen million
Speaker 1: guaranteed over two years just because he caught some balls
Speaker 1: in this league, or a thirty three year old Jordy
Speaker 1: Nelson guarantee him two years at fifteen million, even though
Speaker 1: if you don't know he could still run. If that's
Speaker 1: where things are going and it's that haywire, then you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to keep drafting skill guys. And I'll take
Speaker 1: my shot with Prior on a relatively no frills look
Speaker 1: see kind of a situation. And look, Crowell was a
Speaker 1: guy who has shown that he can carry a heavy load.
Speaker 1: He didn't really get that heavy. The load though, because
Speaker 1: the Browns were often behind in games and chucking it
Speaker 1: all over the place, and you know Kaiser throwing picks
Speaker 1: in the end on it all that, I think he
Speaker 1: was kind of awkwardly utilized. I'll maybe frame it that way,
Speaker 1: but someone who could be a grinder for them and
Speaker 1: just helped keep the chains moving. But again, would not
Speaker 1: shock me if they're doing something with a running back
Speaker 1: at some point in this draft as well. Jason, where
Speaker 1: do you stand with this quarterback class coming out of
Speaker 1: the draft with Sam Donald, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, and
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. And I know that you recently wrote that
Speaker 1: you don't believe Josh Allen is gonna make it past
Speaker 1: number three come April. I don't. I mean, look, he
Speaker 1: may not make it to two. I mean he's certainly
Speaker 1: in play with the Cleveland Browns and that maybe John
Speaker 1: Dorsey's liking you know too. I can't tell you I
Speaker 1: know what the Giants are gonna do. I don't know
Speaker 1: that the Giants absolutely know what the Giants are going
Speaker 1: to do. I think he should draft a quarterback, but
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, they could be trading
Speaker 1: out of that spot. I could see the Bills going
Speaker 1: up to two and taking Donald. I could see the
Speaker 1: Giants taking a quarterback just because logic would dictate it.
Speaker 1: Or I could see Dave Gentleman saying, I'm rolling with
Speaker 1: Eli for two years and I'm gonna take Chubber Barkley
Speaker 1: because they're the best players on my board. But if
Speaker 1: you made me guests right now, if you made me
Speaker 1: do a mock draft right now, and I will refuse
Speaker 1: to do that until the day of the draft because
Speaker 1: you just don't know, and there's two weeks out. Seems
Speaker 1: like it's close. It's an eternity in terms of information gathering.
Speaker 1: What are people missing on Allen? I guess externally because
Speaker 1: you're talking about Allen that potentially he goes number one overall.
Speaker 1: I was at the NFL Owners meetings in Orlando, Florida,
Speaker 1: and you got the feel from a lot of NFL
Speaker 1: personnel executives and guys who watched the game inside and
Speaker 1: out that hey, this guy has an incredible ceiling that
Speaker 1: did Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's that's really it. Like
Speaker 1: the other ones. Like I guess, if you ask people
Speaker 1: who's the most pop maybe they like the most polished,
Speaker 1: Like the guy who if you want to, I won't say, well,
Speaker 1: maybe i'd say relatively play it's safe, you know, And
Speaker 1: you know, you want to get a guy who can
Speaker 1: play in the league for a long time. Now, he
Speaker 1: may never go to a Pro Bowl, but he's probably
Speaker 1: not going to peat down his leg right. He's probably
Speaker 1: not going to be a guy who you don't pick
Speaker 1: up the fifth year option on. Then I think it's donald.
Speaker 1: If you're not trying to hit a double, if you're
Speaker 1: trying to hit a Grand Slam, if you're trying to
Speaker 1: find a Brett Farve tight, well, this chip fits the mode.
Speaker 1: Now he may he may not. You know, he could
Speaker 1: be Jake Locker, you know. I mean that it's not
Speaker 1: out of the question. There's a lot of projecting involved.
Speaker 1: But if you're looking for a guy who could you know, potentially,
Speaker 1: if he puts it all together, if the accuracy comes together,
Speaker 1: he fixes a few things could jump off the screen,
Speaker 1: that's him. But are you a gambler? Aren't you? And
Speaker 1: what makes sense for your program? And it's gonna be
Speaker 1: Dorsey's call. It's not gonna be you Jackson's call. It's
Speaker 1: not gonna be you know. I mean, the owner will
Speaker 1: absolutely be involved. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I think this is gonna be John Dorsey's call. He's
Speaker 1: gonna keep it very close to the vest, probably just
Speaker 1: him in the owner. And does he do what he
Speaker 1: did a year ago in Kansas City where Dorsey was
Speaker 1: very involved with them, ultimately making a big trade to
Speaker 1: go up and get Patrick Mahomes big arm, you know,
Speaker 1: all that same gun slinger stuff, just you know, eleven
Speaker 1: months ago. At one point, does the price become too
Speaker 1: steep for Buffalo to come up to number two? Because
Speaker 1: you mentioned them before and a lot of people have
Speaker 1: talked about their draft capital, and sure enough, they do
Speaker 1: have a lot of draft capital. Jason, what when you're
Speaker 1: just looking at number twelve and I believe what is
Speaker 1: the twenty one or twenty two? Overall? That's not gonna
Speaker 1: get you to two? And is it three? Number ones?
Speaker 1: Is it a couple of two? Is an additional three?
Speaker 1: At what point does it become two? Price? See for
Speaker 1: Brandon being and anybody to come up to that number
Speaker 1: two spots? If the Giants are really gonna sell out
Speaker 1: of there, well, the question is do I have to
Speaker 1: go to two? You're talking to two? Or and really right,
Speaker 1: now is the dead spell, right, Don't believe a lot
Speaker 1: of what you see Right now, everyone's in bunker mode.
Speaker 1: All these teams are having their you know, eight hours
Speaker 1: a day meeting on position groups and setting their master boards,
Speaker 1: and they're entertaining these kids on trips, and everybody's in
Speaker 1: sort of their own private Idaho. And then when that
Speaker 1: process ends by next weekend, all the Gophers pop out
Speaker 1: of their holes and they know what their boards look like,
Speaker 1: and they start trying to figure out everybody else's boards
Speaker 1: look like, you know what I mean? And if there
Speaker 1: guy's there for you and this guy's there for us,
Speaker 1: maybe that's a match. And that's when you start finding
Speaker 1: out where the preferences are because you have to tip
Speaker 1: your hand a little bit if you're looking to move
Speaker 1: up or down or whatever. There's you know, communication lines
Speaker 1: are open right now. What's the best case scenario do
Speaker 1: you think for the Jets? If you're a fan of
Speaker 1: this team, what do you want to happen up top before?
Speaker 1: Were you're on the clock at three? Look if the
Speaker 1: Browns take a quarterback and they're going to and let's
Speaker 1: say that I would be rooting for the Giants to
Speaker 1: stay there. And take a non quarterback, because now my
Speaker 1: organization is going to have three of the supposed top
Speaker 1: four there. Then they're going to be in a position
Speaker 1: to I mean, maybe even move back a pick or two.
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows. I mean, I guess it depends
Speaker 1: how far down the rabbit hole you want to get.
Speaker 1: But the more quarterbacks on the board, I would suggest,
Speaker 1: the better for them, the less likely it is that
Speaker 1: they took Guy A or Guy B. But this draft
Speaker 1: is I mean, this is not like the r G
Speaker 1: three Luck draft. You know, it's not even like the
Speaker 1: wentz Goff draft, where maybe you have them in some
Speaker 1: order or the other. Um. And look, a lot of
Speaker 1: evaluators who I'm type with weren't real high on golf.
Speaker 1: But he obviously played very well for McVey last year.
Speaker 1: But you know, you kind of knew who the first
Speaker 1: two were like when I talked to people with teams
Speaker 1: who aren't drafting quarterbacks, at least not draft them in
Speaker 1: the first round. But you're still evaluating him. But he
Speaker 1: still had scouts in all these games. And I say,
Speaker 1: give me your quarterbacks one through five. No one gives
Speaker 1: them to me in the same order. No, And it's
Speaker 1: not like, Okay, well, one and four and five roys
Speaker 1: the same, but two and three or flipped Like there's
Speaker 1: people who adamantly believe that Mason Rudolph is the third
Speaker 1: best quarterback in this draft, and there's others who say
Speaker 1: I wouldn't take him in the third round. I don't
Speaker 1: know that there's any sort of true consensus, at least
Speaker 1: I haven't been able to clean them. Do you think
Speaker 1: there's any kind of uh, when you're looking at a
Speaker 1: system fit. Jeremy Bates taken over now is offensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: had tremendous success last year with Josh McCown. You mentioned
Speaker 1: McCown before. Uh, he's a guy who obviously he's gonna
Speaker 1: want to compete be the number one guy an opening day,
Speaker 1: but he's also gonna share his knowledge with whoever is
Speaker 1: in his room with him. Do you look at any
Speaker 1: of these guys and say, well, they'd be a good
Speaker 1: fit with the Jets. I don't mean. There's so much
Speaker 1: trade position, and the league changes so much every three years.
Speaker 1: I don't know how much you can make that decision
Speaker 1: about who fits what our coordinators and schemers and play
Speaker 1: callers do best. Right now? You know, I think it's
Speaker 1: got to be who do we think has the best
Speaker 1: chance to succeed at a high level for a long time,
Speaker 1: and then what do we have to do to help
Speaker 1: them get there? And if that means tweaking this and
Speaker 1: altering that, then I think it's about how you incubate
Speaker 1: and develop a quarterback, you know, So, I mean, do
Speaker 1: you want to absolutely put a square peg in a
Speaker 1: round hole? I mean, like, should you draft Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: if you have no intentions of having a moving pocket boots,
Speaker 1: you know, waggles, you know, design runs for a quarterback?
Speaker 1: Well no, but that's you know, an extreme. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you are philosophically opposed to that, then he's not
Speaker 1: your guy. But it's usually not that cut or dry,
Speaker 1: and and the margins are usually slimmers. So I don't
Speaker 1: know how much you focus that into it. Obviously you're
Speaker 1: talking to your coach. The coaches are involved in the decision.
Speaker 1: They're not making the final call. But you know, as
Speaker 1: you're putting these guys on the board, and as you're
Speaker 1: you're shredding through these quarterbacks on film and through the
Speaker 1: scout standing up and giving their reports, you're gonna ask Jeremy,
Speaker 1: you know where do you where do you see? You know?
Speaker 1: What does he do that you think is already ready?
Speaker 1: What would you have to massize? How? You know what?
Speaker 1: I mean, how how do we get there? I don't
Speaker 1: know how much that swings depending he mentioned the Giants
Speaker 1: and the magnitude of that decision in the domino effect
Speaker 1: that could affect the Jets. And number three, just for
Speaker 1: fans that don't know, how much of a card do
Speaker 1: the Giants hold there at number two? Well, I mean
Speaker 1: I think it's significant. I mean, especially if Allen goes
Speaker 1: one and he's not everybody's cup of tea, then they're
Speaker 1: sitting in the cat bird seat. And if they don't
Speaker 1: want to draft a quarterback, depending on how wild and
Speaker 1: WOOI gets, I mean, if you're the Jets and there's
Speaker 1: one of these last three remaining who you absolutely is
Speaker 1: your guy five thousand percent and he's the one, do
Speaker 1: you move up a spot just you know what you mean,
Speaker 1: to make sure you don't get lead frog? And then
Speaker 1: could Denver conceivably do that too? Yeah, and we already
Speaker 1: know buffaloes loaded for bear and I would not rule
Speaker 1: out the Patriots making multiple leaps if absolutely necessary, Do
Speaker 1: I think it's going to two. No, but it's at
Speaker 1: least a feather and gentleman's cap. You know, potentially, as
Speaker 1: he's drumming up more and more value for it, could
Speaker 1: Arizona try to get from fifteen to two. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I would say, unless they're in love with Jackson or Rudolph,
Speaker 1: they better. So I think it's gonna be fairly interesting,
Speaker 1: and I think gentlemen will have a fair amount of
Speaker 1: options to sort through. Have any of these guys really
Speaker 1: helped themselves or hurt themselves throughout the off season process
Speaker 1: of going through the pro days of the draft is
Speaker 1: it's I do. I've actually talked to some people about
Speaker 1: that this week. It just came up in conversations. I
Speaker 1: think Mayfield has helped himself. You know, he picked a
Speaker 1: low key agent who wasn't gonna go to overtly with
Speaker 1: the we're cleaning up his image campaign. But it's just
Speaker 1: kind of happened organically. There's been no incidents with him.
Speaker 1: He's handled himself well in interviews. I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: there's this fake Brown's thing about the first class ticket
Speaker 1: or whatever, I mean, whatever the hell that is. But
Speaker 1: I mean the kid has by all accounts interviewed. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, hasn't say anything crazy to any owners. I
Speaker 1: think he's played this well, Lamar Jackson. I think Frankly
Speaker 1: could have probably benefited from an experienced agent to help
Speaker 1: guide him. Listen, you're gonna have your mock draft on
Speaker 1: the Thursday, the morning of the draft in a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, so I'm not gonna hold you to it.
Speaker 1: But the possibilities right now, do you potentially see this
Speaker 1: a six quarterback first round? Yeah, if you think Jackson
Speaker 1: and Rudolph, I do. And I know those Again, there's
Speaker 1: there's people who would bet me. You know, people in
Speaker 1: the scouting community and you know, agents involved with some
Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks and people you know whose livelihood during
Speaker 1: the line. Any number of them would bet me several
Speaker 1: thousand dollars at that kids doesn't go in the first round.
Speaker 1: I just look at supplying demand. I look at the
Speaker 1: factors of what Cousins just got and where the quarterback
Speaker 1: money is going. And you know, I'm paying us while
Speaker 1: thirty two million dollars for nothing, I'm paying Mike Glennon
Speaker 1: nineteen million dollars for ten months. He can't even see
Speaker 1: ten months. He lost his job in October, so they
Speaker 1: signed him in what March, signed him in March. By October,
Speaker 1: he's my backup and he's gonna make nineteen million dollars
Speaker 1: from me by next March, and then he's gonna go
Speaker 1: somewhere else and get paid again. Sam Bradford, who's missed
Speaker 1: more games and he's played the last six years, gets
Speaker 1: twenty million. It's tough. So this is it. This is
Speaker 1: the way to do it. And yeah, I think when
Speaker 1: you look at teams at the back end who he's
Speaker 1: somebody's somebody trade from two back on the one to
Speaker 1: get one, you know, the Paxton Lynch scenario. Then you've
Speaker 1: got the New England's who if they don't trade up,
Speaker 1: I certainly think they're snatching one at the end of
Speaker 1: the first round with those two picks. Absolutely five, I
Speaker 1: think five in the first fifteen or sixteen and then
Speaker 1: that if that's the case, I have a hard time thing.
Speaker 1: Can sixteen more slots go by without somebody trying to
Speaker 1: get root off before having to deal with another potential
Speaker 1: trade or somebody else getting him at the top of
Speaker 1: a round two. I mean, if Dorsey takes his quarterback
Speaker 1: at one, then that pick thirty three is obviously open
Speaker 1: for business. So I think it's six who is dropping
Speaker 1: of this list? S Kuon Barkley, Quentin Nelson, Bradley Chob
Speaker 1: make a Fitzpatrick Denze Award because if the quarterback run
Speaker 1: goes early, one or two of those guys could be
Speaker 1: slipping too. Is a somewhat surprising numbers. I would say,
Speaker 1: I don't know that Barkley or Chubb gets past four
Speaker 1: if he stays there, one of those two even if
Speaker 1: the Giants trade out, one of those two are going
Speaker 1: by four, and whoever is not going by four is
Speaker 1: going at six. So I can't call that a drop.
Speaker 1: Nelson doesn't get past the Bears. His offensive line coaches.
Speaker 1: Now the Bears offer line coach the Notre Dame proximity,
Speaker 1: the need on the offensive line. That kid is, you know,
Speaker 1: people for around potential Hall of Famer with me left
Speaker 1: and right in the scouting community. So Josey deserved to
Speaker 1: go one, two or three. Yeah, but he's not getting
Speaker 1: passed eight. So I think they're all still going in
Speaker 1: the top ten and final one for me, You've been
Speaker 1: doing this for a long time. Is this one of
Speaker 1: the more exciting times of the year for you and
Speaker 1: your business covering this talking to the scouts, the personnel
Speaker 1: guys here as we go, Uh, you know, less than
Speaker 1: two weeks before the draft and uh, you know, just
Speaker 1: speaking from a Jets fans perspective, they're like darn lies
Speaker 1: in the draft in New York this time because the
Speaker 1: Jet I love it. I loved it in New York
Speaker 1: and three of this year Jason, the Giants and two.
Speaker 1: You know, they look it's it's a business, as you
Speaker 1: guys know in the NFL, and they've they've the last
Speaker 1: eight years or so, however long it's been within five years,
Speaker 1: eight years, I don't know if it's just been there
Speaker 1: since they started moving it around. They obviously comes a
Speaker 1: week long event in those cities as well, and you've
Speaker 1: got team's bidding on the draft. Now it's a monumental event.
Speaker 1: And some people would say it's the second biggest day
Speaker 1: in the NFL calendar to the Super Bowl. And I
Speaker 1: don't know that I would argue with them, just because
Speaker 1: it's a three seven cottage industry. You guys know, within
Speaker 1: an hour of the first round ending this year, somebody,
Speaker 1: and more than one somebody will have their first round
Speaker 1: mock draft already up, and there'll be somebody who, as
Speaker 1: ridiculous as that concept is, there'll be a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of people who click on it. So the interest is
Speaker 1: like at a fevered pitch. So yeah, I enjoyed this
Speaker 1: time of year, but honestly, it's like a kid at
Speaker 1: Christmas where we're two weeks out and obviously within a
Speaker 1: fifty two week calendar, like we're really close to Christmas,
Speaker 1: but those two weeks felt like an attorney right. It
Speaker 1: was like one more week of like school, and then
Speaker 1: you know, then we're finally maybe really getting close, depending
Speaker 1: on what day Christmas film. And then you know, when
Speaker 1: you're a couple of days out and now you're like
Speaker 1: close to Christmas Eve, then isn't adrenaline rush and you're
Speaker 1: rocking the rolling right now? There's so much bologna out there,
Speaker 1: there's so much bs, there's so much just trying to
Speaker 1: fill the gap and burn off these fourteen days until
Speaker 1: we get there that I really don't like this part.
Speaker 1: You know, the visits are almost over and the pro
Speaker 1: days are over and nothing's really happening, but people, you know,
Speaker 1: you've got to keep feeding the beast. Once we get
Speaker 1: to the Monday before the draft, and teams start talking
Speaker 1: to teams, and trades start coming into focus, and you know,
Speaker 1: people in the no start getting a sense of at
Speaker 1: least which way certain teams might be leaning. You know,
Speaker 1: then that's when I you know, for me, it really
Speaker 1: starts rocking and rolling, and and you know, don't be
Speaker 1: a couple of trades or two that maybe even one
Speaker 1: that happens well before the draft, at least a day
Speaker 1: or two before the draft. That will, you know, make
Speaker 1: everybody take their mock drafts and rolling up the film
Speaker 1: in the trash because I want that just changed everything.
Speaker 1: And then you guys, know what's one pick doesn't go
Speaker 1: the way you thought it was gonna go, it has
Speaker 1: a ripple effect to you know, fifteen other picks. So
Speaker 1: it's become a huge part of the NFL, and it's
Speaker 1: dripped on the country. I mean, they credential twelve people,
Speaker 1: twelve hundred medium members for the combin It's gonna be
Speaker 1: the three networks or broadcasting the draft. I mean, just
Speaker 1: think about that. But there's gonna be more, be more
Speaker 1: number broadcasting the draft and not broadcasting the draft albost
Speaker 1: I mean, so yeah, it's a big deal at Jason
Speaker 1: lockafora you have to follow him on Twitter because he's
Speaker 1: got a lot of nuggets, a lot of information out there,
Speaker 1: and he won't have his mock draft up until Christmas morning,
Speaker 1: that is third Thursday, April. We appreciate your time, always
Speaker 1: great catching up my play. You guys have a good one.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Christmas Day Greens. Jason lackaf is talking about
Speaker 1: Christmas Day, and I think for Jets Nation they've been
Speaker 1: awaiting to open that gift under the tree. Who's it
Speaker 1: gonna be? Can't get here soon enough, But we got
Speaker 1: a little bit of time before that, and the Jets
Speaker 1: are gonna do their due diligence up to that point
Speaker 1: with their pre draft visits, their private workouts. Except here
Speaker 1: and I finally put together that big board and we
Speaker 1: won't have to wait too long once we get to
Speaker 1: draft night because of Cleveland, the Giants, then the New
Speaker 1: York Jets. Who do you think Jets fans want right now?
Speaker 1: I no idea. I mean that's something we talked about
Speaker 1: on the podcast. I feel like the people who follow
Speaker 1: me when I get notifications, I believe the Baker train
Speaker 1: is in full effect. I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people on Baker Mayfield tracks because here's a guy who's
Speaker 1: suproductive in college. He's a competitor. People like his Moxie's
Speaker 1: the kind of guy says, hey, get on my shoulders
Speaker 1: and I'll carry I don't care I'm six ft one,
Speaker 1: I'll take everybody with me. And I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people grew up here Jets fans considering themselves underdogs,
Speaker 1: blue collars, so uh, they really like that in Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1: With that being said, I think that there has been
Speaker 1: all so an appreciation for a guy like Josh Rosen,
Speaker 1: who you if you watch him on film, what tremendous
Speaker 1: mechanics he has. He looks like he was born to
Speaker 1: play quarterback and throw the football. But then you go
Speaker 1: back and you start thinking about Sam Donald and Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: I think both of those guys have loads of potential. Well,
Speaker 1: we could sit here and talk about this all day,
Speaker 1: but the fact of the matter is that we don't know.
Speaker 1: The teams don't know. We're a couple of weeks away,
Speaker 1: and the only time that we will know is when
Speaker 1: Roger Goodell on April walks up to the podium in Arlington, Texas,
Speaker 1: and speaks the words with the third overall pick the
Speaker 1: New York Jets select, you know. And what lacan Forest
Speaker 1: said there was very interesting too, is that the Jets
Speaker 1: struck early on March seventeenth to put them in good position,
Speaker 1: moving up from six to three overall. And we talked
Speaker 1: about that trade at nauseum, but there could be other
Speaker 1: trades that week in the draft. Here in a couple
Speaker 1: of days, that Monday before the draft, that Tuesday before
Speaker 1: the draft, I wouldn't anticipate a trade or two even
Speaker 1: before we get there. The Jets did strike at a
Speaker 1: good time on March seventeen, because Jason lock For wrote
Speaker 1: an article about this. To Jets and the Colts both
Speaker 1: won that trade because it worked out for both sides,
Speaker 1: and the Jets traded three second round picks to move
Speaker 1: up three spots. Let's see, let's see, let's see who
Speaker 1: the Jets get. But the Colts could come out of
Speaker 1: this with there. He got their quarterback. We'll see what
Speaker 1: how his health is. But they were very confident. They
Speaker 1: sounded very confident in Adnnapolis that he's gonna come back
Speaker 1: and he's gonna be the Andrew lock of old. But
Speaker 1: they still could come out of this with they four
Speaker 1: mentioned se Kuon Barkley or perhaps the top pass rushing
Speaker 1: prospect in Bradley Chaw about it and see State, or
Speaker 1: maybe they addressed the offensive line Quentin Nelson. And if
Speaker 1: you get one of those guys, pretty happy because you're
Speaker 1: probably gonna draft them anyway if you were three. But
Speaker 1: with that being said, we talked about this a lot.
Speaker 1: That was the right move for the Jets, movement from
Speaker 1: six to number three. You'll never be able to convince
Speaker 1: me otherwise I would echo those sentiments, especially keeping the
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen first round pick in house. And if
Speaker 1: there's a run at quarterbacks early, the cults are basically
Speaker 1: ensuring themselves of someone like Bradley Chubb, say Kwan Barkley,
Speaker 1: Quintin Nelson being there at six. And to be quite honest,
Speaker 1: that run of quarterbacks probably got sparks because of that trade,
Speaker 1: because if you're a team looking to trade up, you
Speaker 1: got pigeonholed by Mike mccagnet because there's one spot that
Speaker 1: you're going to and it's number two. And so I
Speaker 1: think that there's obviously a lot of options here. But hey, again,
Speaker 1: we're a couple of weeks away. But the question is
Speaker 1: will the Jets have the look of the Irish on April? Well,
Speaker 1: because st Patrick staying I like it. I think that
Speaker 1: I think it's fair and I didn't think it's too
Speaker 1: much of a stay. I'm just getting back to one
Speaker 1: of the Lock and Forest points is that I think
Speaker 1: people are missing this externally, is that Josh Allen is
Speaker 1: really thought of highly in league circles. That's one of
Speaker 1: the key points that you gotta take away from this podcast.
Speaker 1: Lacking fora who has a lot of sources within the league.
Speaker 1: He talks to NFL personnel guys and scouts all the time.
Speaker 1: Josh Allen has thought very, very highly because a tremendous
Speaker 1: ceiling and listen, I know about his completion percentage, but
Speaker 1: he's an awesome thrower to football. He's also very athletic.
Speaker 1: So is somebody's gonna take him early? Couldn't be as
Speaker 1: early as one or two. No walking forth thanks as
Speaker 1: of today, you want to be surprised at all Brown's
Speaker 1: roll that way with the kids with the Wyoming Cowboy.
Speaker 1: If Josh Allen goes one, I think that the Giants
Speaker 1: stay put because and now you go Sam Donald there
Speaker 1: Green's yes, I do. And then if the Jets do
Speaker 1: indeed take a quarter back at three, you think it
Speaker 1: would ultimately in your scenario, if you think, if looking
Speaker 1: forward is right, Brons go Allen Greenes thinks that they've
Speaker 1: Gettleman first year GM with the Giants, we'll go Sam Donald.
Speaker 1: And then ultimately, if the Jets take from that top
Speaker 1: quartet that a lot of people are talking about, you
Speaker 1: think it ultimately could come down to Baker Mayfield or
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen. Correct, Well, we got time to discuss that,
Speaker 1: but we don't have any more time. We're gonna look
Speaker 1: more into that. But again, keep your eyes open because
Speaker 1: if you haven't looked already, there's a Sam Donald podcast up,
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield all to come on the Official
Speaker 1: Jets podcast, and then one more before April, we're gonna
Speaker 1: wrap things up and draft again Christmas Eve in April.
Speaker 1: It's almost here.