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Man. We always tap 18 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: in which you I know the coach and knows your voice, 19 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: and if they don't, they'll get used to it. I 20 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: know you were at the NBA Young Boy trial. Can 21 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: you just kind of give me a little bit about 22 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: the atmosphere at the trial. It was like every trial, man, 23 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: it was tense because a man's freedom is on the line. 24 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: You know, he was facing selling and possession cases in 25 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: federal court have a maximum of ten years. Now, every 26 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: individual defendant is going to get a different federal sentencing 27 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: guidelines score. And depending on what your score is is 28 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: how many years out of that ten you actually face. 29 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: So for any defendant to Max's ten, but based on 30 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: your factors, your prior arrests, your prior convictions, you're going 31 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: to get a score, and then you're facing something. To 32 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: young boy, he was facing like five years because he's 33 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:01,559 Speaker 1: got prior violent crime felony convicts. So if he caught 34 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: a guilty in that case yesterday, there was a chance 35 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: they remanned them. They take them off house arrest, they 36 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: would have put the cups on them right after the 37 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: verdict was read. They would have walked him into the 38 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: back and they would have locked him up. And then 39 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: he's looking at sentencing where there's a very realistic shot 40 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: at him getting five years. So, Loon, it was tense, man, 41 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: And I know, like I said, in these cases, we 42 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: tend to not get a fair shot. With the FIDS, 43 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: it's a little more cleaner approach and cleaner process than 44 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 1: the state. I think they're a little uncomfortable with the loss. 45 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 1: But I've heard you say that that it was a 46 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: the jury did have what appeared to be his peers. 47 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: It helped me understand how you came to that conclusion. 48 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: So this was Los Angeles County, and the citizens of 49 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: Los Angeles County are a pretty diverse set. There was 50 00:02:55,280 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: a big range of races, occupations, ages. I was a 51 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: little disappointed at the fact that, to my eye, I 52 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: didn't see a lot of African Americans and the potential jurors. 53 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: But overall, you know, I thought the jury was a 54 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: jury of his peers. Look, with the state and federal, 55 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:19,119 Speaker 1: both systems are hard looned. With state, you know, there's 56 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 1: a little bit more opportunity to plea bargain, there's a 57 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: little more flexibility with the sentencing. The sentences aren't as high, 58 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: the football numbers aren't there, right, But you run into 59 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: some stuff where the judges maybe aren't as good as 60 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: the federal judges, and sometimes you don't really get fair rulings, 61 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: you know, rap lyrics might get used against you. I 62 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: think a lot easier in state court than a federal court. 63 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: A state court could deny you're bond a lot easier 64 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: than a federal court. So in that sense, you know, 65 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: that's one difference. But then the federal court, I mean, 66 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: you don't want to be there either because the sentencing 67 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: is so high. Are you talking about being a possession 68 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: of It's too high man. So yeah, you get you 69 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: get a real smart judge who's going to really look 70 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: at the law and be very strict with what evidence 71 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: they can use against you. But the stakes they really 72 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: up it on the sentencing. So it's both of them 73 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: are just not a place who want to be right. 74 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: And for the audience who may be living under a 75 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: rock or kiss this at a different time, they may 76 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: run this on TV at some point in time, can 77 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: you kind of explain us, explain to the audience the 78 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: evidence that they had on this particular case with NBA 79 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: young Boy, so not a lot. I don't know that 80 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: if this wasn't young Boy, that they would have went 81 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: so hard. The evidence they had on him was this, 82 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: he is being asked to pull over. He pulls over, 83 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: But then as the cops get out the car to 84 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: come up and approach his vehicle. He speeds off, and 85 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: then he speeds off. He abandons the car. He runs 86 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: out of the car, and now he's hiding somewhere, and 87 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: in the car they find a gun and they say, 88 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: you're a felon. You can't have a gun. This gun 89 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: was in your possession. That's the charge. Now, the one 90 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: thing they didn't have was his prints or his DNA 91 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: on the gun, and that's not too uncommon. There's actually 92 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: a lot of research out there that shows that if 93 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: you test the gun, or if you test you know, 94 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: magazines and bullets a lot of times, maybe you know, 95 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: eighty ninety percent of the time, you're not actually going 96 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: to be able to for fingerprints. At lease eighty ninety 97 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: percent of time you don't be able to pick up 98 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: a print with the DNA. It's not as clear the DNA. 99 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 1: They couldn't put the DNA on him because there was 100 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: five different types of DNA found on the gun, and 101 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: their lad when they have five different types, can't really 102 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: start saying, you know, whose DNA is what, because it's 103 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: just too many types. If there was four different types 104 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: of so they didn't have that physical evidence against him, 105 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: and then it became you know, okay, where the prosecution 106 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: is asking you to believe that this individual knew the 107 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: gun was in the car, that's why he ran, that's 108 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: why he abandoned the car. And then the defense is 109 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: asking you to say, hold up, Yeah, people who flee 110 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: from police might be guilty, but you know why, people 111 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: also kind of flee from police because they're terrified of 112 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: what the police might do to them. Now, fleeing from 113 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: police as a crime, I don't recommend it, but in 114 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: the context of a jury trial, you know, post George 115 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: Floyd America, the idea, yeah, the idea that twelve Los 116 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: Angeles County residents are just going to go ahead and 117 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: assume that somebody fled from police. Hang them up. Nah, 118 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: People are a little bit more open to that argument. 119 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: And then the defense pointed out, look, this wasn't a 120 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: traffic stop. This wasn't like one car pulling somebody over 121 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: and then they flee because they're trying to get rid 122 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: of evidence. This was a guy who pulled over when 123 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: one car pulled up, and then there's like six cars 124 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: behind that car. There's two unmarked vehicles coming in from 125 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: the sides, and there's all these officers who aren't walking 126 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: up calmly. No, there's officers popping out the side of 127 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,679 Speaker 1: their car, propping their door and getting behind their defensive position. 128 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: Other officers approaching kind of low crouch, reaching at the hip. 129 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: So the idea that he drove off, there was some 130 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: doubt put into the jury's head that Hey, did he 131 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: drive off because he was scared of getting caught with 132 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: the gun or did he drive off because he was 133 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: scared that you know what is happening right now, right right? 134 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: So with that being the case, they came to the 135 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: jury and tried to explain to them. Did they argue 136 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: constructive possession or Yeah, they arguing constructive possession that you 137 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: knew the gun was in the car and that you 138 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: intended to possess it. And without physical evidence, right, without 139 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: the Franker print you spoke about, or the DNA, Right, 140 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: how do you do without the finger print the DNA? 141 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: How do you do that? So I think why they 142 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: lost the case, Saloon is they made a really complicated 143 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: and the defense is supposed to make a complicated The 144 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: defense is supposed to give you all the reasons why 145 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: you should have some doubt. Right now, these guys, the prosecutors, 146 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: They're like, Oh, they want to talk about where the 147 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: gun was, Let's talk about it. They want to accuse 148 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: the cops of moving the gun. Let's talk about it. 149 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: They want to talk about that the gun and the 150 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: social media pictures. Isn't the gun or the government wanted 151 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: to look at social media pictures? And so the government 152 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: gave the jury a lot of issues to look at 153 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: and consider, and in presenting it, they did it in 154 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: a very drawn out, long way. The judge a lot 155 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: of times is frightning evidence. I'm saying, this is repetitive. 156 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: We know this, we know this, we know this right. 157 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 1: And so it seemed like the government took a very 158 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: simple case and made it complicated. And if you had 159 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: a strong case, why would you take your simple, strong 160 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: case and make it complicated? And I think the jury 161 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: ultimately was left with that impression. I think anybody who 162 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: watched that trial was just thinking, wait, maybe constructive possession 163 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: is a hard case. They maybe they do need to 164 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: prove it to me, And I don't think they have, 165 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 1: certainly not beyond the reasonable doubt. When we look at 166 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: these prosecutors and the overreaching in regards to social media 167 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: pictures and social media. See. The thing is, for some reason, 168 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: this judge seemed to be a little no nonsense in 169 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: regards to entertaining the social media antics or the lyrics 170 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: type of vibe that they usually able to go into 171 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: that bag on us. That bag has been very effective 172 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: from a government standpoint of for a state standpoint, they 173 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 1: go in that bag and say, look, we're paying them 174 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: this way because he does this on social media. He 175 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: says this in his lyrics. What made the government in 176 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: that state or the FEDS in this particular case not 177 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: be receptive to that approach that they usually use against us. Well, 178 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 1: I think part of it is, you know, the stuff 179 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: that happens in the early part of a case versus 180 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: the stuff happens towards the end of the case. So, now, 181 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: when you're about to go to trial, there is a 182 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: very significant, rigorous process where the judge is really going 183 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: to look at what pictures you intend on using, and 184 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: this that you're using, and that that you're using it. 185 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: So at that stage that right before the trial stage, 186 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: there's a way higher bar. Early on when they're making 187 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: their bond arguments, when they're maybe challenging to the sufficiency 188 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: of the pleading and stay howard, you know, judges, just 189 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 1: let a lot of that slide early on. My god, 190 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: that's what you guys are saying right now. All right, 191 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: we'll figure it out, We'll get to the truth of it. 192 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: You want to use your leging. You've seen this on 193 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: social media, all right, I believe you, officer, I believe you. 194 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: And so it's not really getting tested early on in 195 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: these cases. And then people are being pressured, you know, saying, hey, 196 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,719 Speaker 1: you give us some information or you need to take 197 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: this plea and so it doesn't really get to that point. 198 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: But look, the reality is, if you do something on 199 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: social media, canon will be used against you. And more 200 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: than that, if you do on something thing on social media, 201 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: you're basically telling somebody, hey, look at me. He wants 202 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: to investigate. Yeah. And also I always tell the rap 203 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: dudes and all my home is and the street people 204 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: and my industry friends and the people on the network 205 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 1: with me, whoever I can, I tell them. Yo, if 206 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: you document crimes in public in any way, you that's 207 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: a stupid move, you know what I'm saying. So even 208 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: if you document something that could be took and used 209 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: against you as a crime. You're putting yourself in in 210 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: a sticky situation, man, And I see them using social 211 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: media and it just its it irks my soul. Let's 212 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: get back to NBA Young Boy with him beating the 213 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: FIDS this time, how does this coexist with the other 214 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: case and what is he looking forward to in regards 215 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: to the other case. So the other case is completely different, 216 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: unrelated to this case, especially now that this cases are 217 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: not guilty. The other case, the other case, they just 218 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: have nothing to do with each other, all right. So 219 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: in the other case, he was outside of his grandfather's 220 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: home recording music videos. Now he was technically on the 221 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: public street, but you know he's right in front of 222 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: his grandfather's home. They've been there forever. And he's just 223 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 1: standing out in front of the curb recording a music video. 224 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: And there's a nine one one call that comes in 225 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: and it says, hey, these kids are out here. It 226 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: looks like they have guns on them something something. And 227 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: then all these cops come in, and you know, the 228 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: FBI had already been kind of sitting in baton rouge 229 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: looking out at NBA Young Boy. There's a whole joint 230 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: task force between state and federal enforcement looking into street 231 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: gangs across every I mean it's pretty much every state 232 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: at this point has one. In Louisiana, they had a 233 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: stepped up presence because they were on this young boy. 234 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: So the cops come in, they round them all up, 235 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: and they sit them down and they start searching. They 236 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: do this, They do all that, and they find a gun, 237 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: and they find a hard drive and a camera and 238 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: they look through the hard drive in the camera and 239 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: they see pictures of NBA holding the gun they found 240 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: and they said, oh, look, these pictures were taken today. 241 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: This is the gun we recovered today. He was in 242 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: possession of this gun today outside of his grandfather's home. 243 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: Let's charge him five years Kenya facts and I mean 244 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: that was the charge man. That's the charge in Louisiana 245 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: against young boy. Never broke again. You touched a weapon, 246 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: the weapons that there's nothing. They're just saying, we have 247 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: you on picture touching it for the purpose of recording 248 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: music at aside grandpass home. Anyway, they charge him, they 249 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: lock him up. He does like one hundred and sixty 250 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: three days before he gets a bond on that case. 251 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: So he's he's paid one hundred and sixty three days 252 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 1: of debt to society for touching a gun on a 253 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: music video. The hecks facts all right now. The lawyers, 254 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: the same lawyers who beat that California criminal gun case, 255 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: plus Drew Finling, big time lawyer in Atlanta. Yeah, so 256 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: Drew and the Louisiana lawyers, Manasse Jim monastic guy freaking 257 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: rushed it in court the other day. So these two 258 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: go in there, they go to the judge, and this 259 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: is the chief judge for that federal district down there, 260 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: so you know, she's a very respectable authority. And she 261 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: takes three four days of evidence from the officers explain 262 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: where they testify why they feel like they had probable 263 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: cause to make the arrest and the search and bring 264 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: these charges. And at the end of those three four days, 265 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: she takes like a month two months to look at 266 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: paper arguments and both sides submit briefs and motion in 267 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: support of the arguments that were made at the hearing. 268 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: She considers it all, she issues a written opinion where 269 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: she says, in some in substance, you've violated his constitutional rights. 270 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: These pictures that you've recovered cannot be used against him, 271 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: and I know. The reason why I'm saying all that 272 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: is because the affidavits submitted by law enforcement to establish 273 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: probable cause for the search are false, materially false to 274 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: the point that I'm throwing this evidence out, and I'm 275 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: raising the question that I don't know if you wrote 276 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: those affidavits to be intentionally false. I don't know if 277 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: you meant to lie, but I'll tell you that I'm 278 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: reading it and it's wrong. I'll give you the benefit 279 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: of the doubt that maybe you made a mistake in 280 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: the speed of the moment or oversight whatever, and you 281 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: didn't intend to mislead me. But given that it's wrong, 282 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: we got to throw this evidence out. The evidence out, 283 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: The government goes back to her. They do something called 284 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: emotion for reconsideration and they say, Judge, you just made 285 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: this decision, but we want to argue at one more 286 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: time with you. Please take a look at these new arguments. 287 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: She says, no, deny. Then they say, okay, we're going 288 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: to go to the appeals courts. So right now that's 289 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: where that case is at. Then that the judge once 290 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: said you violate this constitutional rights denied, the motion for 291 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: reconsideration insinuated that there might be intentional deceit on the 292 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: part of law enforcement to bring charges and seize evidence 293 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: in violation of a man's constitution rights, and the government 294 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: continues to press this case now at the appeals level. 295 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: All of this, Loon, all of this is based on 296 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: their feeling that the way to enforce the laws of 297 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: our country is to make sure that if NBA young 298 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: boy held a gun outside his grandfather's home in a 299 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: music video he does five second years. Do you understand 300 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: how absurd that is? Way, Balloon? Do you understand what 301 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: it could be happening to other people? That's what I'm saying. 302 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: And so that's why I believe you are so important. 303 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: And we'll get back to the young boys situation. But 304 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: I think you are so important, bro, because the way 305 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: that I'm able to break things down for my coach 306 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: and take some of these business deals and dissect them, 307 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: your ability to do it with these criminal cases is 308 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: second to none. Like your number one and number two 309 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: ain't even close. You see what I'm saying, And I 310 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: want people to know that, Like, I think it's important 311 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: that we say because you're not being paid for this, 312 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: this is literally a passion for you. As I will believe. Yeah. 313 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: I mean I always wanted to be a lawyer. I 314 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: always wanted to be a lawyer to help people. And 315 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: I started as a corporate lawyer and I quit that, 316 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: and then I started representing workers in lawsuits and I 317 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: found a lot of passionate meeting in it, but nobody 318 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: knew who the fuck I was, right, So I wanted 319 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,239 Speaker 1: to get people to know me. And I had this 320 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: passion in this interest and rap, and I kept seeing 321 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: kind of just kept seeing my favorite rapper get arrested. 322 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, wow, this is this is kind of crazy. 323 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: Like everybody I listened to is catching charges. One day, 324 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: the kid six nine catches a charge in my city 325 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: when I'm going to be at that same court. So 326 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: I went in there, poke my head and said, what's 327 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: going on. It's fascinating. I came out, I spoke on it, 328 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: and since then it's just been an organic passion where 329 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: it is growing and shifting into this thing where I 330 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: feel like I actually can make an impact, where I 331 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 1: can I could draw people in, I could give you 332 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: some of these details, I could give you some of 333 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: these headlines. We could talk about the process and you 334 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: can come in and then we can all kind of 335 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: rally together a little bit and say, okay, it seems 336 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,959 Speaker 1: like there are significant issues in the criminal justice system, 337 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: for instance, juror pools, like are we sure that we 338 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: are responding to jury notices? Because if you have an 339 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: interest in fairness in the criminal justice system, then please 340 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: check your mail for the jury notice and please show 341 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: up for the jury duty. It's the old you can't 342 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,479 Speaker 1: beat them, join them, like, you gotta get in the 343 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: system to affect the system. They have it locked away. 344 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: You cannot affect the system from outside of it. You 345 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: can scream, you can holllight, you can be loud as 346 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: you want, but until you get inside of that system, 347 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: you will not be able to affect it either way. 348 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: So that's very important. Man, tell me, why aren't you 349 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: because minderstanding, do you do criminal law? You practice criminal law? No, 350 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: it's a long term all of mine. Where you know, 351 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: a trial I want to be a trial lawyer. A 352 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: trial lawyer is really just somebody who's able to digest 353 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: information and then recite information in a persuasive way to 354 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: get twelve people in a box to agree with him. 355 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: So you know, any I think any type of law 356 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: that you do where you're working on persuasion and argumentation 357 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: is preparing you for trial law. And my goal is 358 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: to continue to do what I've been doing, which is 359 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: my employment law practice, but picking up little cases here 360 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: and there, getting experienced from some of these really like 361 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: top notch best than the game lawyers who showed me 362 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: love and given me an opportunity to learn from them 363 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,959 Speaker 1: and get some insight into how they function. And so 364 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: over the next couple of years, you know, I'll pick 365 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,239 Speaker 1: up some cases, I continue getting this experience, and when 366 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: I feel I'm ready, I'll go ahead and put that 367 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: out there that look, you're going to trial. You got 368 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: a criminal case in New York. I caught you. Yeah yeah. 369 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. Do you get any resistance 370 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: from a traditional lawyers that your approach is so unique? 371 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I think all the traditional lawyers don't really 372 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: see what the hell I'm doing. They're like, I mean, 373 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: do you get paid? I'm like no, They're all right, 374 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 1: I gotta go take some money, bro, Like I just 375 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: I need to go make some money. I think a 376 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: lot of lawyers they sell their time. You know, I 377 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: got eight hours today Loomed. I could sell it for 378 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: one hundred hours an hour, I'm gonna make eight hundred. 379 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: I could sell it for two hundred. I could make 380 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: sixteen hundred. I could take an hour lunch sell it 381 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: for three. I can make you know whatever, so on 382 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: and so forth. But it's just that eight hours. You 383 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: got to try to squeeze the fucking juice out those 384 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: eight hours. Me, I'm not really like that. I'm not 385 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: out here chasing checks for my eight hours after lawyers. Yeah, yeah, 386 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't do the per hours, you know. 387 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: I don't really build my time like that. I get cases, 388 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: we bring cases, will settle cases, we might lose cases, 389 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: we might take them to trial and win cases. But 390 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, me and my team, 391 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: you know, we're good. I'm not chasing my tail where 392 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: I need to capitalize on every minute of my days. 393 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: Good man. So yeah, I mean it's a luxury, it's 394 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: a pleasure. I don't think most lawyers can really say that. 395 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: And I think most lawyers see me and they go, wait, 396 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: you're spending time and not getting paid for it all 397 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: that I gotta go make some money. Me, I'm like, 398 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: you know, I want to build my brand. I want 399 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 1: to have name recognition, I want people to think of 400 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 1: me when they think of, you know, positive criminal justice reform, 401 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: when they think of, hey, who's who's a lawyer who 402 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: I can you know, kind of look to for some 403 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: insight into what's going on for me. That's enough, that appreciation, 404 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: that bond this time with you right now. Yesterday I 405 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: was in Beverly Hills with young boy. I mean that's enough. 406 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: I don't I don't need to get paid. And you 407 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: know what I saw you do, no jumper. Adam is 408 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: morphing into a great business situation over there. I think 409 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: he kind of has took the charge man in regards 410 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: to the people that had to model like him, kind 411 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: of like the vlads, the academics. He has a real 412 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: cast like he has a real slew a talent over 413 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: there and needs a constant running thing. I saw you 414 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: you do that yesterday. So shout out the Adam, and 415 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: shout out to you being able to again bounce in 416 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: and out of these arenas. I want you to know. 417 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: It's value in that, bro, It's real value in that. Yo. 418 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: Shout out to Adam. I appreciate you saying that. M 419 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: and man, well, he's built out there, like he's really 420 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: growing and he's building things and it's beautiful. Right now, 421 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: let's get back to young boy with him beating the figs. 422 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: Both of these are fid cases, right, So with'm beating 423 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: it that one time, do you believe that that'll ramp 424 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 1: them up the second time to even reach harder or 425 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: even try to right, because beating them two times as 426 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 1: a John Gotti effect, I'm not sure if they want 427 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: them to have that even though fair and fair, they'll 428 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: never stop investigating them. And let me say this, fair 429 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: is fair, right, even though it's sad that as a 430 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: black man, we got to have that thought, Like, damn, 431 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: I just want a case fairly. I didn't I was 432 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 1: not guilty. I'm not guilty. Now are they gonna try 433 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: to cheat on me going in this one to? Like, 434 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: you know, I just wonder is that a thing? I mean, 435 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: I know they hate to lose, Like, I just don't 436 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: know if they can take two losses, if they you know, 437 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: can cheat their way in there. And I'm not suggesting 438 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: that that, but you know your thought it's one hundred 439 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: percent right that they're gonna lick their wounds and they're 440 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: gonna continue to investigate this young guy. But what the 441 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: evidence are there to a point where they can add 442 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: any new evidence, any new details to this. Well, no, 443 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: they're just gonna keep They're just gonna keep surveiling and 444 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: monitoring and looking at people around him. The California case 445 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: is done, it's a not guilty. The Louisiana case, as 446 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: far as they're going to try to charge him for 447 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: holding a handgun in the video right now, that video 448 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: is not going to be allowed in the evidence. I 449 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: don't know how they're gonna say he possessed it. So 450 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: unless the appeals car comes back, that Louisiana case is 451 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: that and then separate and apart from these two cases. 452 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: These the one crime that was not guilty, the one 453 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: crime that's currently an alleged crime. They'll continue to investigate him. 454 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: Maybe they have other open investigations on him now. Also, 455 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,479 Speaker 1: of course they do all these high priority rappers. They 456 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: better understand that there is no if about that. If 457 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: you come from this background, you are under surveillance at 458 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: all times, or not, maybe not at all times, but 459 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: somebody around you is under surveillance at all times. Man. 460 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: And that's what I don't like about this Rico thing, right, 461 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: It's because I grew up in poverty. Right, So some 462 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 1: of my friends may not have the opportunity I have. 463 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: And just because we are close in proximity and I 464 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: love them and they're gonna be with me on a 465 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: tour bus and I'm gonna talk to them and things 466 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: like that, it seems like that they can rake all 467 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: of those leaves together and make it be viewed as 468 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 1: you know, that we are in conjunction with each other. 469 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: You know, I hate that approach. Man, Is there anything 470 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: that any advice you have for rappers that in that situation? Like, 471 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,479 Speaker 1: you don't I mean, you can't rid yourself or your 472 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: loved ones. You can't control everyone, Like, what what do 473 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: you do to that? Well? I think there's just a 474 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: lot of things that people need to understand that, you know, 475 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: It's all right. So let's talk about some of the 476 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: social media stuff real quick. So people are posting stuff 477 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 1: on social media where they're claiming affiliations and holding guns. Now, 478 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: you might at trial convince a jury that the gun 479 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: you're holding isn't a real gun, it's a prop gun. 480 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: And you might at trial convince a jury that this 481 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: affiliation is really just a friendly thing. It has nothing 482 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: to do with sharing resources and then using those resources 483 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: to go commit crimes. But you could get charged based 484 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: on that. You might beat at a trial, but you 485 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: could get charged right. And in state courts, especially in 486 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 1: certain state courts, you could get charged pretty easily, and 487 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: you might get denied a bond, and you and ten 488 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: of your friends might find yourselves locked up in separate cells. 489 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: Each person is being told the exact same thing you're facing. 490 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: Five to one of the other people in your gang 491 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: is talking to us and is going to give us 492 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: the goods. We need to put you away for the max. 493 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 1: What do you want to tell me? Right? And that's 494 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: what's going to happen, right, And so the idea that 495 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: you know we're going to change the RICO laws is 496 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: not going to really come to fruition in any meaningful way. 497 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: I think we all need to sit down and have 498 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: a conversation and a long look at the way the 499 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: RICO Laws, which was intended to target very complex, sophisticated, 500 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: very very very profitable criminal enterprises that have kingpins at 501 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: the top, and you need a sophisticated, complex law enforcement 502 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: weapon to attack that type of organization, how that is 503 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: being used to go out and target seventeen to twenty 504 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: five year olds in inner cities who are in communities 505 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: where the crime rate is super high, and now they're 506 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: all going to be charged as a criminal rico enterprise 507 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 1: where the burdens of proof are a lot lower. It's 508 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: not always guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. You can actually 509 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 1: get someone convicted of a RICO charge by finding a 510 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: lesser standard. That's I mean, this is crazy, loon. And 511 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: the reality is you just don't hear about it. You 512 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: just don't see it because I didn't hear about it. 513 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: I didn't see it until it happened from asl Yes, 514 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: I mean the way that state rico is being used, 515 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: it's it's a low bar for law enforcement to go 516 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: and grab people and lock them up and deny bond 517 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: and now start putting the lean on them. And so 518 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: that's probably been happening for a long time in a 519 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: lot of states, right, and just hasn't been visible. And like, 520 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: where is the line, right? Where is individual's constitutional rights 521 00:27:55,040 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: got to be respected over law enforcement's desire to lock 522 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: people up and then lean on them to become informants exactly. 523 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 1: And for me, man, I you know we're gonna get 524 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: to Gunner and why I said, really quick, let me 525 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: ask you this NBA Young Boy for me, and I'll 526 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: give you how I felt about the NBA Young Boy 527 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: for me. Very large presents. I always tell people he 528 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: was worth more than twenty five million. People saw them 529 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: all for twenty five men. He should have took it, Yo. 530 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: They just gave number one Drake five hundred million. He's 531 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 1: number two. If you look at the numbers. If we 532 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: deal with the numbers, that little dude is number two. 533 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: You can't put no ten on that, You're right, So 534 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,959 Speaker 1: we were just dealing with he got over one hundred 535 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: golden platinum plex. So again when you just and he'd 536 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: be so low on them things. So again dealing with 537 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: the numbers. You know his impact, but I thought it 538 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: was an Internet impact. So to see his fans show 539 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: up in the way that they showed up, tell me, 540 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: what do you feel about NBA Young Boy fans. I 541 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: know you have a lot of them that engage with you. 542 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: What's your what's your feeling about the agement, the level 543 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: of engagement and the fans that support NBA Young Boys. 544 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: It's almost like none of these other rappers. I think 545 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: a couple of things. One I think if you talk 546 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: about success in terms of your fans, like you know, 547 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: the guy who's most successful is the guy with the 548 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: best fan base, and then you talk about your fan 549 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: base in terms of quality and quantity. So quit quantity 550 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: is obvious, right, how many fans you got? And then 551 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: quality is like how devoted are they to you? Do 552 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,959 Speaker 1: they spin your ship every day? Do they show up 553 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,959 Speaker 1: for your concerts, do they buy your merch? Do they 554 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: interact with your social media? So if we, if we 555 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: like create a score that's based on two factors, and 556 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: then we give you this composite score ranking your fan 557 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: base over the past five years, I think you could 558 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: argue that Young Boys number one. I mean no doubt 559 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: Drake is a bigger artist, Yeah, a bigger I'm I'm 560 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: and I'm speaking about I'm speaking more so about the business. Right, 561 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: they just cut Drake the Chick for five hundred million, 562 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: So and we talk about he spent the last ten 563 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: years on bill Board and countless number one albums in 564 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: all these dates. So on the number side, he has 565 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: more numbers than Young Boy. But when we deal with it, 566 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: like you're saying, as far as the quality and quantity 567 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: of fans, and that that's a hard when that's a 568 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: great conversation. Boy, that's a great last five years. I 569 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: think in the last five years in America, the best, 570 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: the guy who's been most successful at building a fan base, 571 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: and the guy who has the best fan base is NBA. 572 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: Young Boy. We're gonna have to further that conversation. That 573 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: is a fucking great conversation. I can argue, Drake. I 574 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: can argue Drake. Drake can take that audience and whip 575 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: it over here and whip it over there. And you know, 576 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: I want to see Young Boy translate that audience a little. 577 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: You know, I want to see Ken. Now. This is 578 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: what I will say, and this is the most effective 579 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: part for Young Boy in regards to my understanding of 580 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: the business, is that he came in a lot of 581 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: his fans wasn't consumers yet. They were just fans and 582 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: they were young. But he's been able to grow and 583 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: now they're old enough to where they got jobs or 584 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: they're able to have money, so now they become spending 585 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: customers in this market. Man. Because at first he was 586 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: the reason why his YouTube numbers are liked, that is 587 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: because a lot of his fans were not the fans 588 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: that really had money after they were too young really 589 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: to spending. Like the kids love him. He really has 590 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: a high presence of and those kids that was thirteen 591 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: five years ago or like you're saying, eighteen years old 592 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: now and things, and they're able to stand up and 593 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: go to his shows and fly the way he's at 594 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: and those things. So that makes him very, very in 595 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: a very interesting place coming out of that deal. But boy, 596 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: that's a very interesting conversation. Who has the bigger in 597 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: the last five years, who has curated the biggest fan 598 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: base now continual what you were saying about the quality 599 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: and quantity, you were making a point, I apologize. So 600 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: I think in the last five years he has done 601 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: the best job of it. And part of that is 602 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: because he's younger and hungrier and dropping more. Right, So 603 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: he's just dropping all the time. So he's bringing in 604 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: a lot of new people all the time. And I 605 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: think you're absolutely right that they were younger and they 606 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: skewed from lower income communities, and over time is fan 607 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: basically gonna get more diverse and more profitable for him, 608 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: And the sky's the limit right now, let me ask 609 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: you this, dealing with them or seeing them. There's a 610 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: viral video in which I think will become one of 611 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: the key moments of this case where you were coming 612 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: out of what I think is the courtroom and He's 613 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: fans were out there and you were trying to yo, 614 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: hold on, be quite, You'll be quiet, yo, Yo, You'll 615 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: be quite. Cantrell versus State of and he's not getting 616 00:32:49,280 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: they win crazy shut you just hold the camera on 617 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: the United States of America versus Control Golden. He explain 618 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: that moment to me. So we were in the courtroom, 619 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: and you know when the when the jury comes back 620 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: and they say, hey, is there a four person? They say, yeah, 621 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: this is the fourth person. Hey, four person, have you 622 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: reached the verdict? Like yeah, Like they hand it over 623 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: to the judge and the judge looks at the paper, 624 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: reads it quietly to themselves, and it's just so much tension, 625 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: you know, they just build the tension. And then the judge, 626 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,959 Speaker 1: you doesn't even say guilty, not guilty. He reads the 627 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,959 Speaker 1: whole fucking thing. He like reads the case number and 628 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: reads the charge and says the journy has returned to 629 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: vertage going on enough to like I am right now. 630 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: And then finally he says not guilty. So I get 631 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 1: up and I start clapping. It's like, yeah, you know 632 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: those people get up at the start clapping, and the 633 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: judge is like, yo, get what are y'all doing. I'm 634 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 1: gonna get locked up down, So I run out the now. 635 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: My phone is being held by some other lawyers who 636 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: have court passes to have phones in that court. I'm 637 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: not allowed to bring my phone and only people who 638 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: are officially part of the case can have the phone. 639 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: And the defense team showed me a lot of love 640 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 1: after you know, all the dedication I show to the case. 641 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: I gave one of their staff my phone to hold, 642 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: so I don't have the phones right now. I know 643 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get the phone until the whole process ends. 644 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 1: So there's gonna be three four more minutes in court 645 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: and then they're gonna walk everybody out. But everybody's outside, 646 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 1: nobody's got their phone. None of the lawyers are going 647 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: to tweet this show out, and so so I'm thinking, 648 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, somebody's got to go outside and tell 649 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: the fans. So I immediately run out the courtroom and 650 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: I get about halfway down the hall and then I 651 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,760 Speaker 1: go wait a second, was there one count or two counts? 652 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: Because if there was two counts, I only heard one 653 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: not guilty, I need to hear another not guilty. And 654 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: he was charged with the gun and the ammunition and 655 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 1: the magazine, and so what's it short If there was 656 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 1: two counts and I kind of prematurely ran out there 657 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 1: back in I heard there was no second count not guilty. 658 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: All right, cool. So then I'm thinking, all right, if 659 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: I if I hang out here, I could get my 660 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: phone back, and then I could get the interview with Kentrell, 661 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: because they're gonna let me walk out with him, and 662 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: they're gonna go out of separate entrances, and I know 663 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,359 Speaker 1: what entrance they're going out, right, But if I do that, 664 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 1: then nobody's gonna tell the fans, and that would kind 665 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: of suck. So in that moment, I decided, I think 666 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: this is gonna be dope moment if I come out 667 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 1: here and tell the fans that just ran out I 668 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: left my phone and announcing to the fans. I think 669 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: it was dope. I think it gave a little bit 670 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 1: of a space for that energy to kind of fill 671 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,879 Speaker 1: in and a little capsule to remember that Bola by Yeah, 672 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 1: it was dope, man. I said, Yo, that's a moment 673 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: right there. The fans were recording you and it was 674 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: just it was a super dope moment. What was his 675 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 1: lawyers like? Did you have to explain his importance to 676 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 1: his fans to his lawyers? Do you think they were 677 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: aware of the culture equity that NBA Young Boy Hayes? Oh? No, 678 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: they're aware. So he has a lot of lawyers. His 679 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,719 Speaker 1: lead attorney team is a Louisiana law firm. I think 680 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: they are based out of Baton Rouge Nassy, Gil Knife 681 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: and Blancher Hey guy Jerry Manassey. I mean he has 682 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: represented Young Boy for a very long time and they 683 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 1: have a relationship that's a bond, and so they understand 684 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: each other very well. And Jimmy knows you know what 685 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: control means to hip hop. That's dope, man. I know 686 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,799 Speaker 1: you spoke about it. You wasn't able to have your 687 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: phone and we'll transition. I speak to you a little 688 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: few minutes about thug and gunning, then we'll get you 689 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: out of here. I appreciate you for coming back. For sure, 690 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,720 Speaker 1: you spoke about them not letting you have your phone 691 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,879 Speaker 1: in there. For me, I noticed something with Gunner and 692 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 1: his last time going up a bond. There's no video found. 693 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 1: Is that a tactic? What's what's the thinking behind no 694 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,359 Speaker 1: media involvement in such high profile cases? Do you know, 695 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: is there any explanation of that? I mean, I will 696 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 1: say this in my opinion, the major media outlets that 697 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,720 Speaker 1: cover the Folking County Courthouse, you know, News twelve in Atlanta, 698 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 1: whoever those folks are, they are I think way more 699 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: friendly with prosecutors because prosecutors are able to give them 700 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 1: a lot more stories than defense attorneys. And so I 701 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: think there's a guilty interest in publicizing the prosecutorial point 702 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: of view a lot more. And there's an opportunity, right 703 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 1: the prosecutor is going to talk to you, and she's 704 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,439 Speaker 1: going to give you those two minutes, and the defense 705 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 1: attorneys are just trying to beat the charges and they 706 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: don't give a about talking in the press. And so 707 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,439 Speaker 1: the main outlets that are sitting there in Atlanta have 708 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 1: their camera literally situated inside the courthouse and can just 709 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 1: turn it on when they want. They do it when 710 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,359 Speaker 1: they want, and I don't know that you know, they're 711 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 1: particularly unless the prosecutors kind of pushed them to do it. 712 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 1: I don't know that they always do it. I mean, 713 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: if I had time that day, I would have definitely 714 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,799 Speaker 1: went to the second been a bond hearing and tried 715 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 1: to explain what the hell happened there and how we 716 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 1: still think that he's not worthy of a bond, right, 717 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 1: I mean, the basic bond point. I'd love to share 718 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 1: it with your listeners. In America, you have the presumption 719 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,799 Speaker 1: of innocence. You are innocent until proven guilty, and that 720 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,359 Speaker 1: includes the right to not get locked up on charge. 721 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 1: If you lock me up because the cops said he 722 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: saw me in a picture with a gun and he 723 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,839 Speaker 1: thinks I'm a felon. If you lock me up because 724 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 1: he said that, I'm not innocent until proven guilty. I'm 725 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,359 Speaker 1: locked up before proven guilty. I'm guilty right when alleged. Right. 726 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: So the way that logic goes is, hang on, innocent, 727 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: will proven guilty. No locking people up until they're guilty. 728 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,840 Speaker 1: And then we continue the conversation and we go, but 729 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: hang on, let's keep going. There's other things to consider, 730 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 1: all right, Say everybody has the right to a bond, 731 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 1: should everybody get a bond? And then the law basically, 732 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 1: you know it asks two questions one, are you going 733 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: to come back to court? Certainly in the federal law, 734 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 1: this is the law. I can't speak specifically in every state, 735 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 1: but in the federal courts, they ask two questions. They 736 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: ask are you going to come back to court? Are 737 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: you a flight risk? And the second inquiry, the second 738 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 1: question is are you a danger or a threat to 739 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 1: the community? Are you gonna go kill witnesses? Are you 740 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: such a violent criminal that you might just go commit 741 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 1: more crimes like the one that you're alleged of. As 742 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: we say that if there is a basis from law 743 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,840 Speaker 1: enforcement to show that this guy's a flight risk, of 744 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: this guy's a danger, then we will lock him up 745 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 1: until he's proven guilty. And the idea that Gunna is 746 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: such a danger or he's such a threat to witnesses 747 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 1: or a danger to the community, I think a suspect. 748 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 1: I wasn't at that second bond hearing. I was at 749 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 1: the first. And I have not seen any credible evidence 750 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 1: that shows, for example, like an affidanus a witness that 751 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 1: says that you know, I know about this Wind's activities 752 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,880 Speaker 1: and he's threatened me and said that he's going to 753 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: kill me. If I testify you don't have to tell 754 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,959 Speaker 1: us who our witnesses, right, you don't have to show 755 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 1: us the affidavit, but tell us that you have a 756 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,840 Speaker 1: sworn affidavit from a witness with material information about Gunna's 757 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,799 Speaker 1: crimes who has been specifically threatened by Gunna. They haven't 758 00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 1: said that, and that's my knowledge. When I went to court, 759 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: what I heard was a statement from the prosecutor, which 760 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 1: I've talked about so many times that I just I 761 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,319 Speaker 1: can't believe it. And I saw it on so many 762 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: blogs and so many news sites. They reported it like 763 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 1: like this was some damning testimony from the prosecutor about 764 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 1: Young Thug. The prosecutor said this. The prosecutor said that 765 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:24,399 Speaker 1: we have spoken to other defendants in this indictment. Mind 766 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 1: you people, that we don't know that Young Thug knows 767 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: any of these other twenty eight people. Right, Obviously he 768 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 1: knows Jack Gotti, obviously he knows Gunner, but there's twenty 769 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 1: eight individuals. So when the prosecutor says that I've spoken 770 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 1: to co defendants in this case and they have told 771 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 1: me that they're scared of Jeffrey Williams, to me, that 772 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: statement in and of itself says nothing about his eligibility 773 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: for a bond at all. First of all, I'm scared 774 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,399 Speaker 1: of fucking Jeffrey Williams. If I saw a young plug 775 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:54,839 Speaker 1: in Russia, I'm not just gonna go up to him, 776 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,839 Speaker 1: young thug. That's not because he's a gang member. I'm 777 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 1: just I don't know that man. He's a I'm not 778 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,319 Speaker 1: just gonna. I could say I'm scared of him. That 779 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's intimidating witnesses. Yes, and the yeah. And 780 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 1: they're misusing these things, and I find it interesting. I 781 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 1: want to get your opinion on them using lyrics but 782 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 1: not attaching any evidence to it. They're just going in 783 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,400 Speaker 1: there rapping random lyrics like saying yo, yanna, slime he 784 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,640 Speaker 1: said here, followed with snipers, not that we pulled them 785 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,359 Speaker 1: over and caught two snipers in a car behind them 786 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,440 Speaker 1: like that. I don't understand how they're able to do 787 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:38,840 Speaker 1: these things. I'm trying to understand myself, brother, But I 788 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,720 Speaker 1: gotta For now, all I can say is that they do, 789 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,400 Speaker 1: and that you know, stay off social media with the 790 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,359 Speaker 1: affiliations and the evidence of crimes and and and don't 791 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 1: rap about it, because this is how it's playing out 792 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,320 Speaker 1: so let me ask you this, and I wish I 793 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 1: could give you something else. Yeah, I hate this. Are 794 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,759 Speaker 1: you telling me and I'm gonna look into this. You're 795 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 1: telling me that they're not covering Gunner's bond because there's 796 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,440 Speaker 1: no media that will go down there. Or is it 797 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,480 Speaker 1: because the media that has access to going in there 798 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,319 Speaker 1: isn't going in there? Because I would think someone in 799 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,320 Speaker 1: Atlanta wants to take the camera and their media platform 800 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,160 Speaker 1: and go see what's going on with that situation, and 801 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 1: for it to be no evidence of them doing nothing. 802 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 1: I'm just like, yo, is this a tactic NBA? Young boy? 803 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,839 Speaker 1: No cameras, no evidence and nothing that's going on in court. 804 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:35,120 Speaker 1: It's like, I'm not understanding that. Well, the federal courts, 805 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 1: you can't have a camera in there, so you could 806 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: go in there observed and then come out and report, 807 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,319 Speaker 1: which you know some people do. But in Atlanta, your 808 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 1: question is a great question. Your question is a great question, 809 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,920 Speaker 1: and it's just you know, eventually people will do it. 810 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,799 Speaker 1: People just haven't understood it. But yeah, there should be 811 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 1: reporters not from News twelve who are in there, who 812 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: are organic, grassroots reporters observing what's happening. And reporting on it. 813 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,279 Speaker 1: But there's just isn't anyone. I do it as much 814 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,439 Speaker 1: as I can. I'm literally the only person right man 815 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 1: with NBA young boy beating his case, you know not. 816 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 1: You know, possession is very important. Do you think that 817 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,799 Speaker 1: lends any kind of credence to young thug? You know 818 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,879 Speaker 1: his situation where they went in his house and had 819 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:23,399 Speaker 1: the seven allegedly found some fire. So that's that's a goal. 820 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,200 Speaker 1: Two really different cases too. I mean, young boy had 821 00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 1: a pretty very simple basic possession. Did he know it 822 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,960 Speaker 1: was in the car? Did he intend to use it? Period? 823 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,520 Speaker 1: That was literally the only question for the jury. The 824 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 1: Rico case. I don't even think the prosecutors understand what 825 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,879 Speaker 1: their charges. I don't understand what the charges. I don't 826 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,359 Speaker 1: think the judge understands what the charges. Rico is not 827 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,840 Speaker 1: some shit that people have been charging people with for 828 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 1: hundreds of years. The way Rico is being charged in 829 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,920 Speaker 1: Fulton County in the YFN and the YSL case, this 830 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,319 Speaker 1: is groundbreaking. This is a whole new attempt at doing 831 00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,360 Speaker 1: it hasn't been done before, hasn't been challenged before, and 832 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,520 Speaker 1: so what you're seeing play out in real time is 833 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:08,560 Speaker 1: the cutting edge you know, the next chapter in law 834 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,479 Speaker 1: enforcement's attempt to continue to push the boundaries of how 835 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,600 Speaker 1: many people can they charge and how little evidence can 836 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,799 Speaker 1: they get away with while still being able to lock 837 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,800 Speaker 1: up and isolate people. That's what's happening, man, It's fascinating. Wow. 838 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 1: And is there no way to effect it from the 839 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,080 Speaker 1: from the outside, like no voting process, I mean awareness? 840 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:36,359 Speaker 1: All right? Well, well, loon, I would ask that three 841 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:40,960 Speaker 1: hundred n T was sold for how many mills? A 842 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:47,279 Speaker 1: bunch a lot, right, Yes, like three hundred. I think 843 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,920 Speaker 1: it was about thing. It was about three I believe. Well, 844 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 1: a certain chunk of that ought to go into some 845 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:59,799 Speaker 1: smart folks, um as, some of the best law lost 846 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,000 Speaker 1: tools and some of the best law firms to do 847 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:08,040 Speaker 1: some research into what's happening with rico prosecutions, how many 848 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,640 Speaker 1: of them actually result in convictions, what the case law 849 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,279 Speaker 1: actually says about whether some of these state ricos that 850 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,680 Speaker 1: have never actually been applied and tested in the Supreme 851 00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:21,640 Speaker 1: Court have any basis at all. Yes, the amount of 852 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,480 Speaker 1: money it would take to even begin that conversation, and 853 00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:30,120 Speaker 1: the scholarly research in the annals and hallways of state 854 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:34,680 Speaker 1: legislatures and the United States Congress. You know the type 855 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,920 Speaker 1: of movement you would need to get people in those 856 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,840 Speaker 1: places to start talking about it. You're talking about big money. 857 00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 1: You know, Young Tug is a huge artist with a 858 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,560 Speaker 1: lot of money, but his lawyers can't go and start 859 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,320 Speaker 1: opening up this conversation where we're not challenging charges, but 860 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,440 Speaker 1: we're challenging the very basis of the law. And if 861 00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:01,839 Speaker 1: you want to really talk about it, that's that's how 862 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,200 Speaker 1: you can talk about it. And the you know, that 863 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:09,320 Speaker 1: requires coordination that has a ton of money. Ballpark You 864 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:14,440 Speaker 1: got a ballpark number. It's just constant commitment. Bro. You 865 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,560 Speaker 1: have to have fellowships at our best law schools where 866 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,279 Speaker 1: law students and writing articles and researching the impact of 867 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,839 Speaker 1: RICO law on low income communities and minorities. You need 868 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,879 Speaker 1: top law firms coming in observing what's happening at these 869 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:33,040 Speaker 1: court proceedings, digesting and creating a history of what has 870 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,480 Speaker 1: happened at prior court proceedings. And you know, it's a 871 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,080 Speaker 1: limitless budget. You know what I was speaking about though, 872 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,040 Speaker 1: is when they win in pig Young Thug up for 873 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,480 Speaker 1: the RICO charge. It was another charge where some guns 874 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,120 Speaker 1: was supposedly in his house allegedly found in his house, 875 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:54,160 Speaker 1: and I wonder how slippery possession is in a SuperStar's house. 876 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,920 Speaker 1: There was like fifty people in that house. But but 877 00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,439 Speaker 1: that charge, you know, it really it complicates the gang 878 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,360 Speaker 1: charge because if there's fifty people in the house and 879 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,759 Speaker 1: you guys got all these guns, you better hope all 880 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:11,160 Speaker 1: of them illegal and not tid point. Good point, great, 881 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,560 Speaker 1: great point. That was a great point. Um. Is that 882 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,359 Speaker 1: possible that gonna and thug beat the state and the 883 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,839 Speaker 1: Feds get them for the same thing and make them 884 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,840 Speaker 1: do it all over I don't think so. Now. I 885 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,759 Speaker 1: think the reason why the Feds didn't take this case 886 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,040 Speaker 1: could be twofold one. It might have been a coordinated 887 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,960 Speaker 1: strategy that hey, you know, we're gonna get a better 888 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,399 Speaker 1: chance getting these guys no bond in state court, and 889 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,720 Speaker 1: you know we're gonna have to use your chance putting 890 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,600 Speaker 1: a squeeze on him in state corn in federal court. 891 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,479 Speaker 1: Some of these guys that have probably got a bond, 892 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,359 Speaker 1: I think. And so that's I think maybe why they 893 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,919 Speaker 1: went state. The other reason they might have win state 894 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,560 Speaker 1: is the Feds might have looked at it and said, yeah, 895 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,319 Speaker 1: we're not We're not bringing this case is what you 896 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,880 Speaker 1: got on gunner? What are you doing? Like I was saying, 897 00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,160 Speaker 1: rap lyrics, the FENS could have just said, this is 898 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,439 Speaker 1: not what we do, right, so you know, I would 899 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,719 Speaker 1: I thought that they presented it to the FIS, and they, 900 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,840 Speaker 1: you know, naturally would present their evidence of this nature 901 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,440 Speaker 1: to the FIDS, and I just didn't think they thought 902 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:19,200 Speaker 1: it was good enough to take a swing at you know. Um, 903 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, this is very interesting stuff happening, 904 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,440 Speaker 1: Like you said, groundbreaking stuff. We're gonna sit down at 905 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,640 Speaker 1: some point soon and get a real interview. Man. I 906 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:32,279 Speaker 1: appreciate you stopping by. It's up the podcast. Um, we'll 907 00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,000 Speaker 1: be in touch man, because again I want to sit 908 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,319 Speaker 1: down with you. Man. Well we can really get into 909 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,040 Speaker 1: some of these things and really really get into some 910 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,879 Speaker 1: case law and things like that and really digesting game. 911 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,520 Speaker 1: But man, you've been great. Every time you speak on 912 00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,600 Speaker 1: the game, people are digesting man. So we thank you, man, 913 00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,400 Speaker 1: And um, if you need us for anything on this side, 914 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,680 Speaker 1: we had we a phone call away and I appreciate 915 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,560 Speaker 1: you letting me jump on your platform and talk and 916 00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,480 Speaker 1: interact with your base. I appreciate that, man, And thanks 917 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,000 Speaker 1: for showing me the love and appreciation and your kind words. 918 00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,520 Speaker 1: Stay up and yeah, we're definitely going to get up 919 00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,239 Speaker 1: and do that live podcast interview for sure. Man, I 920 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,719 Speaker 1: appreciate you. Have a good day, my brother. All right, 921 00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,719 Speaker 1: man peace peace? Yo. What up this big loon? This 922 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,279 Speaker 1: is this up there podcast