Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and I heart
Speaker 1: radio podcast. Welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever. I
Speaker 1: am Chris Harrison alongside Lauren Zema. Welcome back to what
Speaker 1: has been an amazing week. I hope you've had a
Speaker 1: wonderful week as well. Yes, we just came back from Charleston,
Speaker 1: South Carolina. Chris and I went on a trip together.
Speaker 1: Can I brag on you for a second? Sure? Yes.
Speaker 1: One of the great things about Elsie, one of the
Speaker 1: more difficult things about me is I'm a tough person
Speaker 1: to buy for. I know this. We're talking gifts. It's
Speaker 1: not that I have everything. I'm just a tough person
Speaker 1: to buy for. And so what Lauren has adapted to
Speaker 1: and I love this is she gives us experiences and
Speaker 1: trips and things like that, and then they're not always extravagant,
Speaker 1: they're not always crazy. And one place that was on
Speaker 1: our bucket list that we had never been was Charleston,
Speaker 1: South Carolina. Well, it's hard. It's also hard to find
Speaker 1: a place you've never been. True traveled so many places
Speaker 1: for the show, but neither of us had been there.
Speaker 1: And so this was my Christmas gift to Chris Harrison
Speaker 1: to go to Charleston, South Carolina, all planned out. This
Speaker 1: is the best part is it was all planned out.
Speaker 1: You planned out where we were staying, where we were
Speaker 1: going to eat. We have a good friend who lives
Speaker 1: because another place I wanted to go to was Kiowa Island.
Speaker 1: It's a golf destination and I've always wanted to go there.
Speaker 1: It's like forty minutes away from Charleston, and so you
Speaker 1: reached out to my friend. You included that in it
Speaker 1: as well. It was just that stuff means so much
Speaker 1: to me, and I guess the takeaway is find that
Speaker 1: something that your significant other really loves. Food, wine, travel,
Speaker 1: you know, those are great gifts. It meant it meant
Speaker 1: more to me than any sweater you would have given me. Well,
Speaker 1: you are hard, so I think we're both hard to
Speaker 1: buy for it though I can't. I can't be one
Speaker 1: sided on that. Like I'm a pretty picky person to
Speaker 1: buy four. Hence why even when Chris proposed he picked
Speaker 1: out the stone of our of the engagement ring and
Speaker 1: gave it to me on just a plain band and said,
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't want to risk getting a ring
Speaker 1: I wouldn't like, So I was able to then go
Speaker 1: design the band myself, which was great because then I
Speaker 1: got the surprise of a ring and I got to
Speaker 1: go have fun designing it. Yeah, I don't think I've
Speaker 1: ever really told that story. We bought We bought the
Speaker 1: ring from a very dear friend of mine and now ours.
Speaker 1: Everybody was upset you didn't use Neil Lane, you know,
Speaker 1: but it was never any shade intended towards Neil Lane.
Speaker 1: But he was a part of the show. And while
Speaker 1: Neil and I got along grade, it's not like we
Speaker 1: were dear friends. This person, Nip mccleve, who owns a
Speaker 1: jewelry store and run He's family owned locally out of
Speaker 1: la for years. So I've been good friends with him,
Speaker 1: and so it just made sense to do something very sincere.
Speaker 1: And I actually got the advice from him. I said, look,
Speaker 1: this is so hard for me because whatever I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm going to get, I don't know if Lauren's
Speaker 1: going to love it. And he says, you know what
Speaker 1: a lot of people are doing now is pick the stone.
Speaker 1: That's the important thing. Then we will give it just
Speaker 1: a very simple band. Give it to her, propose that's
Speaker 1: you know. When she says yes. Hopefully, then we'll come
Speaker 1: back and design the ring of her dreams. Did any
Speaker 1: part of you think I was going to say no? No?
Speaker 1: I thought you would say yes. But that took so
Speaker 1: much pressure off me, because one of the craziest things
Speaker 1: for me, honestly, in the proposal. Proposing was easy. I
Speaker 1: thought you would say yes. I knew I wanted to
Speaker 1: get down on one knee. That part was easy. I
Speaker 1: was scared of giving you a ring that you just
Speaker 1: immediate because in that moment, you don't want your head
Speaker 1: to go anywhere other than oh, my god, I'm so happy.
Speaker 1: I love this man. I can't wait to marry you.
Speaker 1: I don't want it to be Oh, that's that was
Speaker 1: an interesting choice. Well, what's tough about that moment is
Speaker 1: if someone has picked a ring you don't like, you
Speaker 1: suddenly feel like, am I saying yes to this person
Speaker 1: who doesn't even know me? Like that's how you take it?
Speaker 1: As a woman, You're like, does he even know me?
Speaker 1: Why I would he pick this? I mean for me,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, it would kind of take I under I
Speaker 1: see what you're saying, and I appreciate your thought in
Speaker 1: that because it would take some joy out of it,
Speaker 1: but he put it into a very simple just wing
Speaker 1: and then he thought, you know, maybe she'll just love this.
Speaker 1: That could be it too, and then we can go
Speaker 1: back if we want to. So that was but it
Speaker 1: made it fun because then I got to design the
Speaker 1: band and that we got to do it together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it did, and I highly recommend for those that are
Speaker 1: getting engaged it's not a bad way to go because
Speaker 1: it did. It added another layer that we got to
Speaker 1: do together after the proposal, which was kind of cool. Well,
Speaker 1: and this goes to yeah, so we're both tough to
Speaker 1: buy for you, but I love we have kind of
Speaker 1: started this tradition because for my birthday, you gave me
Speaker 1: a trip to Europe where you had planned everything, which
Speaker 1: was amazing, and it was thirty five, so I think
Speaker 1: I kind of felt like it was a bigger birthday
Speaker 1: or something. But this was Chris's Christmas gift. But what
Speaker 1: I was thinking about how we had people send in
Speaker 1: questions and one of the questions that we didn't get to,
Speaker 1: a relationship question that a listener submitted was how do
Speaker 1: you get out of a relationship rut? And I've realized
Speaker 1: something that really keeps us out of a rut because
Speaker 1: no matter what, right in your daily life, you have
Speaker 1: your restaurants, you go to, your friends, you hang out with,
Speaker 1: and those are all great, but it all is the
Speaker 1: same every day. Um. What helps us stay fresh is
Speaker 1: taking trips or even doing little weekends to new places,
Speaker 1: because when you're experiencing something new with your partner, well
Speaker 1: then that automatically like you have the same person, but
Speaker 1: you're in a new situation. And for us to be
Speaker 1: able to go to Charleston and like, you know, take
Speaker 1: a historical tour and learn about all the history, good
Speaker 1: and bad in that city, meet the incredible people of
Speaker 1: that city, try the new foods, and see the new places.
Speaker 1: It it's like automatically invigorating. And we share that adventure
Speaker 1: adventurous attitude and that zest for travel, and so we
Speaker 1: love explaining. You know what's great about gifts we give
Speaker 1: each other is they're also gifts we give ourselves. They're
Speaker 1: very self serving. I love this trip I got you
Speaker 1: and I had never been to Charleston, and let me
Speaker 1: just give a shout out. And by the way, no endorsements,
Speaker 1: we didn't there were no trade outs, no nothing like
Speaker 1: Elzi just paid for this. So this is Uh, we're
Speaker 1: not We're not trying to gain any favor because we're
Speaker 1: long gone. Charleston was amazing, What an amazing city, obviously
Speaker 1: full of history. Uh so much of our country's history
Speaker 1: came through those ports. And um, the you know Fort
Speaker 1: Sumter is there, there is I'm a history buff. I
Speaker 1: love history. Lauren is finding this out more and should
Speaker 1: have got him a tour of the boat. You guys,
Speaker 1: I didn't even know about this boat. Checked intip we
Speaker 1: checked into this very quaint hotel and it has a
Speaker 1: view of Fort Sumter, very famous you know Ford from
Speaker 1: the Civil War. And um, then there is this massive
Speaker 1: aircraft carrier. I might be I might be a complete idiot,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know what aircraft carrier had been, you know,
Speaker 1: stationed in mothballed there in Charleston. It's been there since
Speaker 1: the seventies, by the way, and it was the USS
Speaker 1: Yorktown easily one of the most famous aircraft carriers in
Speaker 1: the history of the United States of America. It was
Speaker 1: in three battles and World War Two, and I think
Speaker 1: it served in Vietnam as well. Not everybody's a history buff,
Speaker 1: So anyway, I was peaking out that this was right
Speaker 1: outside the window. I just thought it was amazing. So
Speaker 1: but we did a walking tour of Charleston, yes, which
Speaker 1: was amazing. I very much recommend something I love to
Speaker 1: do and you can book them through I use via
Speaker 1: tour is a walking food tour because you walk, your
Speaker 1: guide tells you the history of the city. As you walk,
Speaker 1: you stop in places, and then you stop and eat
Speaker 1: at like three or four different restaurants, just little bites
Speaker 1: at each place. And food is so tied to our culture, right,
Speaker 1: So I mean a you're eating, you're eating great food,
Speaker 1: and you're hearing more about the city through the food.
Speaker 1: And so it was so much fun. Can I tell
Speaker 1: something embarrassing about the tour? So Elze and I go
Speaker 1: on this tour and I don't know if you were
Speaker 1: embarrassed at all. I felt a little out of play.
Speaker 1: So Lauren warned me. She knows I don't love crowds,
Speaker 1: and so she said, look, we're with a group. It
Speaker 1: was a small group though, it was like ten people
Speaker 1: or twelve people, and so that was perfect. And so
Speaker 1: we meet, you know, in the historic part of Charleston,
Speaker 1: and you gather as a group and we introduce ourselves
Speaker 1: then you start the walking tour, and Lauren said, we
Speaker 1: got the food thing, and then I added on there
Speaker 1: was an option you can add on a curated drink
Speaker 1: experience at each stop as well. Guys, I'm going to
Speaker 1: say yes to the cocktail add on in the PA.
Speaker 1: By the way, I would have as well, So we
Speaker 1: added on the cocktail part of this. Well, Laura and
Speaker 1: I were the only ones that pushed yes on the cocktail.
Speaker 1: So everywhere we went and it was kind of a
Speaker 1: big deal where she's like, yeah, we have two over
Speaker 1: here that are drinking, and so every time we sat down,
Speaker 1: you and I got and it wasn't like a sampler.
Speaker 1: They put these massive cocktails in front of us at
Speaker 1: age and everyone I thought at the table just kind
Speaker 1: of looked at us like wow, okay, like they have
Speaker 1: a problem. Yeah. We Actually there was another couple and
Speaker 1: we started saying, do you want to take like we
Speaker 1: have these two huge tumblers of like a Southern tea
Speaker 1: time or whatever it was, do you want to take
Speaker 1: one of these? We'll just share the drink package with you.
Speaker 1: Because it was a little embarrassing, but hey, we were
Speaker 1: there for a good time, not a long time. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're only there for four days. I wanted to try
Speaker 1: the local drinks, the different I forget some. There was
Speaker 1: a punch you know, places of local cocktails, Babe, I'm
Speaker 1: about history too. I just felt like all our cocktails
Speaker 1: on this first stop at this barbecue place que Barbecue
Speaker 1: or Quology, and everyone was just like, Wow, you guys
Speaker 1: are gonna just jump in with those hurricanes. And it
Speaker 1: was so it was one o'clock. Okay, two quick shout
Speaker 1: outs to places we went. Yes, restaurants. Oh, I love
Speaker 1: restaurants and I love giving a shout out to a
Speaker 1: place we loved. And again we paid full fare. These
Speaker 1: are not trade outs. They have no idea we were
Speaker 1: even there. Place called Magnolia was amazing, Yes, incredible service,
Speaker 1: grateful ten out of ten. And Husk was phenomenal, which
Speaker 1: is local. And if I haven't gone back to look,
Speaker 1: but someone told me Anthony Bourdaine, who I'm a huge
Speaker 1: fan of and always watched his stuff and just loved
Speaker 1: him dearly um was a friend of the owner of Husk,
Speaker 1: and so he visited Charleston and eighth there as well.
Speaker 1: So I need to go back and watch that. But
Speaker 1: the Magnolia was one hundred ten out of ten, and
Speaker 1: then Husk was right up there as well. You know,
Speaker 1: I have the I will say, I think I did
Speaker 1: well with the trip. Should have booked the boat tour
Speaker 1: the aircraft carrier to it. You were like an excited
Speaker 1: little kid looking out the window. Look look at the boat.
Speaker 1: Well it's funny, is I asked? We were at this
Speaker 1: on this rooftop. And by the way, if you ever
Speaker 1: go there, the Duberry had this amazing rooftop bar and
Speaker 1: you can see it's one hundred and eighty de Grieview,
Speaker 1: So you're looking into old town Charleston and all the churches.
Speaker 1: Then you can see Fort Sumter and then you can
Speaker 1: see the aircraft carrier. And so I asked the waitress, like,
Speaker 1: I feel like an idiot, but what aircraft carrier is that?
Speaker 1: And she says, I don't know, so we're not idiot.
Speaker 1: So I googled yes, and there's like it's the Yorktown.
Speaker 1: And I really was like a child at Christmas because
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a fan. Well, one thing I would
Speaker 1: have done, actually, which would have satisfied both our interests.
Speaker 1: We found out there's a ghost tour you can do
Speaker 1: a ghost tour of the ship late at night. I
Speaker 1: love a ghostie, so that would have been cool. Um,
Speaker 1: we'll have to go back to Charleston. But Charleston also
Speaker 1: a ten out of ten just for it's a walking city.
Speaker 1: It's easy and look, I will say, people are great.
Speaker 1: We did not meet a stranger. No. Everyone was so kind,
Speaker 1: including our waiter who we ended up going out with
Speaker 1: after our dinner at Magnolia and had a cocktail, which
Speaker 1: was weird. He was a sweet kid, he's he recommended
Speaker 1: a bar. We went to the bar and then he
Speaker 1: came to the We ended up having a drink and
Speaker 1: I think we bought him a drink. We did, We
Speaker 1: bought our way to a drink after dinner. But it
Speaker 1: was Yeah, it was so fun. And I will say
Speaker 1: when we do these trips, like I think, what's important
Speaker 1: and what makes it a gift as much as we
Speaker 1: both might enjoy it, is you have to do like
Speaker 1: you did two days of golf on Kiowa and I
Speaker 1: hung out with you know, our friend or our friend
Speaker 1: our friend's wife. We did some nice beach walks together.
Speaker 1: But I wasn't going to Kiua except for you. I
Speaker 1: knew you wanted to golf there and thank you for
Speaker 1: checking that off my list. Yes, so next time we'll add.
Speaker 1: But I lore stuff. I love that you do that
Speaker 1: for me and with me is travel and adventure, and
Speaker 1: that was something we talked about early on in our
Speaker 1: relationship that we both loved that we both love to
Speaker 1: be on the go and do things together. Speaking of
Speaker 1: being on the go and trips, this Gwyneth Paltrow story, Oh,
Speaker 1: you're transitioning to ski trip. This is a headline and
Speaker 1: it's a weird headline that I'm still trying to figure out.
Speaker 1: You and I have really kind of dove deep into
Speaker 1: this rabbit hole. So Gwyneth, isn't everyone I think this
Speaker 1: is a celebrity trial that I mean, I would definitely
Speaker 1: put it in the most dramatic headlines of the week.
Speaker 1: Everybody seems to be following it. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: on the Johnny Depp amber heard level, but to me,
Speaker 1: it's on the level of what the hell, what is happening?
Speaker 1: This is the weirdest story. Gwyneth Paltrow was on a
Speaker 1: ski trip and dear Valley six seven years ago and
Speaker 1: it's outside of Salt Lake. If you know, up in
Speaker 1: Park City and Deer Valley's this kind of exclusive place
Speaker 1: and it's quite beautiful. I've been there. And she either
Speaker 1: ran into somebody or this somebody ran into her. There
Speaker 1: was a collision on the ski slopes. She alleges this guy,
Speaker 1: this doctor, ran into her, and the doctor's alleging that
Speaker 1: she ran into him. Either way, they had a collision
Speaker 1: in Deer Valley, and six seven years later, they're now
Speaker 1: having a trial because this man alleges that she ran
Speaker 1: into him and now he has suffered all kind of
Speaker 1: physical and mental ailments. Yes, and it's it is a
Speaker 1: little confusing because at first he was suing her for
Speaker 1: like three million dollars and I believe that. Then a
Speaker 1: judge capped it at three hundred thousand dollars. So now
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, he's suing her for
Speaker 1: three hundred thousand dollars. She is countersuing for one dollar
Speaker 1: plus attorney's fees. And it's coming down to this, he said,
Speaker 1: she said, of just who hit who? And I'm seeing
Speaker 1: article headlines like what is ski etiquette? The trial is
Speaker 1: going to come down to ski conduct of who has
Speaker 1: the right of way on a mountain? And then It's
Speaker 1: also going to come down to like who you believe, right,
Speaker 1: because I think it's just his word against hers on
Speaker 1: who skied into whom. As far as the skiing situation,
Speaker 1: this happens on the daily at every ski slope in
Speaker 1: the world where that's something we've never done together and
Speaker 1: never been skiing. I'm a horrible ski People just run
Speaker 1: into each other. Are you a good skier? I do.
Speaker 1: I'm a pretty good skier and I love Honestly, guys,
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison is athletically good at everything. It's shocking. You
Speaker 1: should see us playing pickle ball. I stand in the
Speaker 1: front and he runs around like a madman behind me,
Speaker 1: getting every ball and people are like, oh, like if
Speaker 1: we win, it's like, well, I mean, Chris Harrison one,
Speaker 1: I'm literally actually When we were on Spring Breaking, Cobbo,
Speaker 1: you and Let's reveal to the world what you and
Speaker 1: Ivana Firestone did to Andrew and I, which is we
Speaker 1: we swung. We couple swapped, couple swapped on the pond
Speaker 1: the pickle because Ivanna knows herself well enough to know
Speaker 1: that her and Andrew are not good partners in competitive situations,
Speaker 1: so she switched and she and I who were defending champs,
Speaker 1: ran it back, and then you were you were partners
Speaker 1: with Andrew Firestone, our kids were together, and so we
Speaker 1: had a good little tournament. And yes, Ivanna Firestone and
Speaker 1: I are international Pickaball champions. But we digress back to
Speaker 1: the ski incident. Yes, this happens every day on the daily,
Speaker 1: at every slope, not a huge deal. People run into
Speaker 1: each other. Everyone had helmets on and goggles and all
Speaker 1: this other stuff. In skiing, it's kind of like a
Speaker 1: traffic accident. Whoever hits whom from behind, that's usually the
Speaker 1: person who fault. If you get rear ended, the person
Speaker 1: who rearended you is it faults yet nine percent of
Speaker 1: the time. So she is alleging and this is the
Speaker 1: this is where things get weird that all of a
Speaker 1: sudden she was skiing and skis slipped in between her legs.
Speaker 1: So she skiing, two skis slide between her, her legs
Speaker 1: start to separate, and then they fall. And but before
Speaker 1: that she heard this, she felt a body pressed against
Speaker 1: her and this man was grunting and groaning in what
Speaker 1: she kind of described in a sexual manner. This guy,
Speaker 1: I find out later was probably sixty eight sixty nine
Speaker 1: years old at the time, so it's just a bizarre
Speaker 1: scenario and a bizarre story. I mean, the details of
Speaker 1: what I don't know. Look, I think part of the
Speaker 1: thing if you're being if you're in some kind of collision,
Speaker 1: I would imagine it's all pretty chaotic. I have to say.
Speaker 1: Watching Gwyneth, I mean, and I don't think the guys
Speaker 1: testified yet I find I found her story to be
Speaker 1: very believable. I mean, I thought she was a very
Speaker 1: matter of fact. If we're just talking about the then Look,
Speaker 1: I know in trials it's you know, you have to
Speaker 1: look at the facts and believability whatever. But I found
Speaker 1: her to be believable. I was watching her and I
Speaker 1: felt like she was telling the truth. This was simple.
Speaker 1: I also feel like now that it's down to three
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars, like, here's why I believe her that
Speaker 1: to her, it's a rounding air is not that big
Speaker 1: of a number. So I think she like, at this
Speaker 1: point she could have just settled out of court with
Speaker 1: this guy. I think she's on principle now and she's like,
Speaker 1: I didn't do this, and so it's going to court.
Speaker 1: So that makes me believe her. Two things that came
Speaker 1: out that really I kind of set the tone for me,
Speaker 1: and I agree, I am fully behind Gwyneth Paltrow in this.
Speaker 1: The guy texted his daughter rather clearly he didn't know
Speaker 1: is Gwyneth Paltrow. You couldn't tell it was her. I
Speaker 1: think he just genuinely ran into another human being. It
Speaker 1: turns out he found out it was Gwyneth Paltrow, and
Speaker 1: he texted his daughter later that, hey, I'm famous now
Speaker 1: I ran into Gwyneth Paltrow. And then subsequently all these
Speaker 1: ailments happened and all that. So they talked in the moment.
Speaker 1: There wasn't anything devastating, There were no big injuries for
Speaker 1: either one of them. They went their separate ways. And
Speaker 1: now later things come up that he has these Well, look,
Speaker 1: maybe he has has like the collision, maybe he has
Speaker 1: had serious issues from the collision. But that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that she caused the collision, you know. Oh and the
Speaker 1: GoPro apparently there was GoPro video because the dad was
Speaker 1: the doctor was had GoPro video. That video has mysteriously disappeared.
Speaker 1: Well that also, I found those two things I thought
Speaker 1: were a huge indictment on his story. I think her
Speaker 1: ski instructors to that sentence. I think her ski instructor
Speaker 1: is testifying this week, and I'm interested in what the
Speaker 1: ski instructor has to say, because he was there and
Speaker 1: stayed with the doctor even after Gwyneth went on. There's witnesses,
Speaker 1: I know when you're when you're skiing in Deer Valley.
Speaker 1: It's one of the most famous ski slopes in America.
Speaker 1: It's not like they were alone. There had to be
Speaker 1: dozens of people that saw this, witnessed it. So I
Speaker 1: think this thing falls apart very quickly. It just struck
Speaker 1: me as weird that this sixty nine year old man
Speaker 1: skied up between Gwyneth Paltrow's legs. It's just odd. The
Speaker 1: whole thing was just so weird. Well, my favorite headline
Speaker 1: out of it is from People magazine. People People really
Speaker 1: doing the hard journalist. Well, I love this headline. I do,
Speaker 1: because that's the thing. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you gotta remember this is Gwyneth Paltrow and People Magazine's
Speaker 1: headline about the trial is Gwyneth Paltrow's courtroom looks are
Speaker 1: peak Gwyneths elevated neutrals. They are elevated neutrals, it means,
Speaker 1: but it's just such a weird like People magazine. People
Speaker 1: magazine is like, look, we have nothing, we have nothing
Speaker 1: to talk about. This story is so weird. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about her FA I disagree. I don't think that we
Speaker 1: have nothing to talk about. I think it's let's talk
Speaker 1: about everything in this trial. Oh, by the way, speaking
Speaker 1: of this trial, you showed this to me. If you
Speaker 1: guys have nothing to do in your board at work
Speaker 1: today or your board at school, google the opening statements
Speaker 1: and part of this trial. You have to watch. First
Speaker 1: of all, this doctor's lawyer. I think she wants to
Speaker 1: be bff's with Gwyneth at the end of this her
Speaker 1: line of questioning, her demeanor is so off putting, it's
Speaker 1: so uncomfortable, it is cringe. It's like, Gwyneth, we are
Speaker 1: we're going to be best friends after this, right, We're
Speaker 1: going to keep in touch. This is going to connect
Speaker 1: us forever. And her lawyers not much better. He gave
Speaker 1: the most awkward opening statement I've ever seen. So go
Speaker 1: and watch the lawyers. If nothing else, especially if you're
Speaker 1: a law student, how not to practice in the courtroom,
Speaker 1: because it is unbelievably awkward. It's that's the thing. It's awkward.
Speaker 1: I felt like with Johnny Depp and Amberherd's trial, we
Speaker 1: were watching like his lawyers were killing it and that
Speaker 1: was interesting. Her lawyers weren't killing it, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1: This is cringeworthy. I don't know why it's all so awkward.
Speaker 1: Maybe because it's just such a bizarre My favorite. At
Speaker 1: one point, she's like, she asked how big she was,
Speaker 1: how tall are you? And then she's like, then she
Speaker 1: was talking about like she's trying to kind of set
Speaker 1: the stage of what she was wearing on the ski
Speaker 1: slopes and how basically her size and if you ran
Speaker 1: into her, what kind of collision that would be? And
Speaker 1: she goes, well, you're a small girl. Well, I guess
Speaker 1: you're not a small person. No, she said, was you're
Speaker 1: you're small but mighty yes, And Glenn said she has
Speaker 1: well you're not that small, Joe. I don't think they're
Speaker 1: gonna be best friends now. Anyway, guys, go watch it.
Speaker 1: It is. It is very cringe. Um, what's not cringe
Speaker 1: is my guest Today. We have an amazing guest coming up,
Speaker 1: Janna Kramer, author, country music star, podcaster. We have a
Speaker 1: lot to talk about with her, with her relationships and
Speaker 1: a relationship she's in right now, So Janna Kramer on
Speaker 1: the other side of this break. Welcome back to the
Speaker 1: most dramatic podcast ever Chris Harrison, along with a very
Speaker 1: special guest today, an old friend, Janna Kramer, podcaster, author, actor,
Speaker 1: country music star. What am I missing? Janna? Mom, incredible
Speaker 1: mother of two as well? You have side hustles for
Speaker 1: your side hustles. We have so much to talk about,
Speaker 1: but I want to dive into because you've been very
Speaker 1: public about your dating life and you talk about this
Speaker 1: on your podcast. You're dating, I am. You have a boyfriend,
Speaker 1: I do. His name is Alan Russell, European soccer player
Speaker 1: now soccer coach, kind of working his way up the ranks.
Speaker 1: I'm a huge soccer fan, played my whole life, so
Speaker 1: I see him raising, rising up the ranks to become
Speaker 1: a manager at some point. So how long have you
Speaker 1: guys been dating? Um? Like five months? But yeah, I
Speaker 1: knew nothing. I obviously know a lot about football, but
Speaker 1: I know nothing about football. So yeah, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: remember going to a game because he was he was
Speaker 1: an interim interim head coach when Dean had left to
Speaker 1: the Norwich Club and so I had no idea what
Speaker 1: was going on. And truthfully, whenever I had watched m TV,
Speaker 1: I thought it was kind of boring because I'm like
Speaker 1: nobody ever score. I get it. But now that now
Speaker 1: that I kind of know the the intensity in the
Speaker 1: setup and like yeah, now and like that you know
Speaker 1: how you have to like set up each play and
Speaker 1: just like the set pieces of all of it. Now
Speaker 1: it's like exciting to like see it come together. You're
Speaker 1: in You're in deep here. How did you guys meet?
Speaker 1: How did you meet? A soccer player from Europe? I know? Weird? Um?
Speaker 1: He actually slid into my DMS really m yeah, so
Speaker 1: the old ms strike again, the old the old dms. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I and I remember seeing it and kind of
Speaker 1: going like, okay, this is just silly, Like he lives
Speaker 1: in England, Like why would I even you know, I'm
Speaker 1: a mama too in Nashville, Tennessee, Like how is this
Speaker 1: going to work? So I kind of let it go
Speaker 1: for a minute, and then I don't know, something just
Speaker 1: kind of kept like intriguing me to Like his profile
Speaker 1: was private at the time, his Instagram, so I was
Speaker 1: just kind of like I didn't really know much and
Speaker 1: so I don't know something about that, like it intrigued me,
Speaker 1: and so then I was just I DMed back and
Speaker 1: then we started what's happening? And then the rest is sistery.
Speaker 1: When how long was it before you actually saw each other?
Speaker 1: We talked for a month before we saw each other,
Speaker 1: and this progressed to like facetiming, So you saw each
Speaker 1: other and yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, we like talked for
Speaker 1: a few weeks and then we started facetiming. Because I think,
Speaker 1: like my rule and dating has always been like I
Speaker 1: got a FaceTime before I go for a date. Okay,
Speaker 1: oh interesting. You gotta get the vibe because it's like
Speaker 1: if it's not there over FaceTime, it's not going to
Speaker 1: be there. I don't think in person great call. I've
Speaker 1: heard some people say they do the coffee first, so
Speaker 1: it's you have that quick thirty minute to an hour,
Speaker 1: you have a good out, you never have to see
Speaker 1: him again. But yours is even tighter than that. We're
Speaker 1: going to FaceTime and you don't make it past the FaceTime.
Speaker 1: It's actually a good rule. I don't have time, like again,
Speaker 1: like my time is so limited that It's like, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to even waste it. You know, however,
Speaker 1: long going to the coffee shop and coming back, you know,
Speaker 1: just the whole thing. I'm like, let's just get on
Speaker 1: a FaceTime. Let's see if this is like anything any sparker,
Speaker 1: you know, connection, attraction, and then we'll know from there.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what I was go with. I usually
Speaker 1: don't date these episodes, but it's Monday, and I say
Speaker 1: that because today Monday is a big day for this relationship,
Speaker 1: isn't it. Why what's Monday tonight? Oh for you guys
Speaker 1: going to the iHeart Music Awards. Yeah, but tell us
Speaker 1: why this is so big? Well? And honestly, I've really
Speaker 1: been fighting with it because I've I've stayed SETI private,
Speaker 1: more private than I've ever been, Yeah, which is shocking
Speaker 1: for me. But I you know, I just, um, I
Speaker 1: just want to be careful, and especially I think more
Speaker 1: so because like people can just be so harsh. Of course,
Speaker 1: I get it, like my past doesn't look lovely on paper,
Speaker 1: so you know, just trying to be smart with it.
Speaker 1: And um, but yeah, no, he's gonna he's gonna walk
Speaker 1: the carpet with me. So that's gonna be. I haven't
Speaker 1: walked with anyone since my husband. You guys are going
Speaker 1: red carpet official tonight at the Heart Music Awards. So
Speaker 1: he's flown in. Obviously he's here. You guys are gonna
Speaker 1: go red carpet official. Yeah, he's Well, he's been in
Speaker 1: Nashville because he's on a break right now. He's trying
Speaker 1: to find a new team. Um so yeah, so he's
Speaker 1: been we've been in hanging out in Nashville, and but yeah,
Speaker 1: so he yeah, he came with me to California, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I kind of like tiptoed around it. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe because again, people are just so
Speaker 1: of course aggressive, and but I don't There's something about
Speaker 1: it that just feels right. So I'm just gonna go
Speaker 1: with my gut. And again, like no one else, I
Speaker 1: haven't had anyone else do this with me since my
Speaker 1: last relationship with my X. I'm like, all right, I
Speaker 1: think I think I'm ready. I like that though, and
Speaker 1: that I love what you just said right there. It
Speaker 1: feels right. I'm going to go with my gut. And
Speaker 1: when Lauren and I we had been dating secretly for
Speaker 1: like six months, kind of like you, before I took
Speaker 1: this public. I want to know because the world can
Speaker 1: be cruel and it's tough enough to date as it is. Before,
Speaker 1: I just let everybody have their own opinions and tell
Speaker 1: us what they think. So we waited. It was six
Speaker 1: months down the road, and all of a sudden, it
Speaker 1: just felt right, and it felt like I started lying
Speaker 1: to people I cared about that I'm not dating or
Speaker 1: I don't have a girlfriend, because I clearly did and
Speaker 1: I was in love. And I vividly remember the night
Speaker 1: there was we got invited to I think it was
Speaker 1: an Emmy party at the Chateau Marmont in la and
Speaker 1: I told Lauren, I said, I want to go to
Speaker 1: this with you tonight. I want to hold your hand,
Speaker 1: I want to walk the red carpet. And we did.
Speaker 1: It is and it. I know that might sound silly
Speaker 1: to everybody, but when I heard you were doing this, um,
Speaker 1: that's why I wanted one of the things I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk to you about, because I know it may
Speaker 1: seem small and insignificant, but it's not. This is a
Speaker 1: kind of a cool step for you guys, and I
Speaker 1: love it well. I appreciate that. I'm so glad you
Speaker 1: did that too. But it feels I don't know if
Speaker 1: for you too, Like it feels like you just have
Speaker 1: to be really smart about it too, because you know
Speaker 1: the problem with I remember my publicist always saying, like,
Speaker 1: you can't be with guy to guy to guy, a
Speaker 1: guy photographa as people shod you just have to be
Speaker 1: like smart. And it's like I'm always like I love
Speaker 1: and like this is like my person and like you know,
Speaker 1: and I but I'm so glad that I've always kind
Speaker 1: of had that in the back of my mind because
Speaker 1: it would look so bad. But you have to be
Speaker 1: you have to be smart about it. But yeah, with
Speaker 1: this one, it's, um, you know, I we're hopefully planning
Speaker 1: for you know, we're we're on a path that I'm
Speaker 1: I'm excited for. So so Laura and I talked about
Speaker 1: this before we went. Have you guys talked about Okay,
Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna wear. We we didn't stop
Speaker 1: for trying to think if we stop for interviews or not.
Speaker 1: Have you talked about all of this how you're going
Speaker 1: to handle everything? Um? No, we haven't yet, but it's funny.
Speaker 1: But he goes he's so. And that's another thing too
Speaker 1: that I'm really careful of, is he's really private. He
Speaker 1: likes to be more private. Um, you know, he's not
Speaker 1: like when I Instagram story, He's not really and I
Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to keep that separate. Um, even
Speaker 1: though you know, we posted a photo last night from
Speaker 1: us going out to dinner. But um, so I'm trying
Speaker 1: to respect that too, Like I understand my life is
Speaker 1: more public, and I also understand his life is more private.
Speaker 1: So just trying to find that balance. Uh so with this,
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's fine to just He's like, I
Speaker 1: don't need to walk. I was like, no, I want
Speaker 1: you to, like this is important to me too, to
Speaker 1: like have to me. I just I really that would
Speaker 1: feel nice. And um, you know, but so we were
Speaker 1: out of fitting yesterday for my dress and he's im,
Speaker 1: my dress is a little He's like, that's what you're
Speaker 1: wearing is a little risk a you know. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but now it's too late, Like I can we're pod committed.
Speaker 1: We're like it was my you know, my style of
Speaker 1: his favorite dress. So um yeah, and you know, I
Speaker 1: was like anything just was We're all black or something.
Speaker 1: You'll look fine next doesn't like, no one's going to
Speaker 1: be staring at him. Yeah, well, but I love that.
Speaker 1: I love that. This is interesting. One of the reasons
Speaker 1: why I felt like this relationship was different is because
Speaker 1: of all the things you have not said. You haven't
Speaker 1: been vocal about this, you haven't been talking about it,
Speaker 1: posting about it a lot, and so clearly this is
Speaker 1: somebody who means a lot to you, and you've been
Speaker 1: protecting that, and it says a lot about you and
Speaker 1: how you've grown. Yeah, I appreciate that, and I think
Speaker 1: also too for me, I've always wanted other like outsiders
Speaker 1: and approval. So when I would start dating someone, I'd
Speaker 1: be like, all right, girls, what do you think? What
Speaker 1: do you think? And it's like I I didn't even
Speaker 1: they didn't even know for a while, because I'm like,
Speaker 1: I want to for the first time, have my own opinion,
Speaker 1: not what Catherine thinks or christ And thinks, or what
Speaker 1: Pamelin thinks, or what this person thinks, or like what
Speaker 1: you know. It's like, I just I really wanted to
Speaker 1: make my own educated. I wanted to heart, go with
Speaker 1: my gut, go with a you know, all of it.
Speaker 1: And just really make it just be our kind of
Speaker 1: bubble for a minute. I'm a big believer. When it
Speaker 1: feels right, do it. And yeah, there is no magic
Speaker 1: potion to like doing it the right way or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's like, when it feels right to you. There's always
Speaker 1: going to be naysayers. Is always going to be the
Speaker 1: bullsh that's out public. You can't deal you know, you know,
Speaker 1: you know as well as anybody. How long have you
Speaker 1: been dating? We're engaged now, Lord and I are engaged.
Speaker 1: We've been five years now, so about six months in
Speaker 1: is when we went you know, red carpet official, we
Speaker 1: went public, and but now now we're engaged, we're planning
Speaker 1: the wedding. And look how far both of us have come.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've we've both come a long way, but
Speaker 1: like you said, we've learned a lot along the way.
Speaker 1: And and for me, I think too, it's the lessons
Speaker 1: in all of the bumps, right, So I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: and you know, this time it's so different. And I
Speaker 1: think for us, their relationship is just leaps and bounds
Speaker 1: different than anything I've ever been. And I think that's
Speaker 1: just because I've done a lot of work, but also
Speaker 1: just there's just so much respect and I've never had
Speaker 1: that relationship before. We're respecting each other. It's hard to
Speaker 1: say put a finger on it. But when it's different,
Speaker 1: you just you know, there's that it factor that's hard.
Speaker 1: That's that intangible thing that you can't can't quite describe,
Speaker 1: but you just know it. But how does this work?
Speaker 1: How is this going to work? He is overseas, He's
Speaker 1: not like in Georgia. He's in England. You were in
Speaker 1: Nashville with two kids and obviously very busy. So I mean,
Speaker 1: long term, how does this work? And it's not a fantasy.
Speaker 1: I think it's one of those things where you make
Speaker 1: work what you want to, right, So there's that piece. Also,
Speaker 1: you know, we had a conversation kind of early on
Speaker 1: and I said, look, I can't I can't move to England.
Speaker 1: I've got two kids. I wouldn't be fair to my
Speaker 1: ex and or the kids. And so this is where
Speaker 1: I'm at in my next whenever they go off and
Speaker 1: they're eighteen, like, this is I'm staying in, Like this
Speaker 1: is my plan? Like what what does your plan look like?
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm like and ken those come together,
Speaker 1: and so I think him being open to being in
Speaker 1: the States was kind of enough for me to go, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's give this a shot. So, um, you know, he's
Speaker 1: looking for a you know, a head coaching job in
Speaker 1: the States, and it's kind of one of those things
Speaker 1: where again, I think I've always been the one to
Speaker 1: force things and push things and try to make it happen,
Speaker 1: where I'm just kind of like stepping back and going
Speaker 1: whatever is meant to be is going to puzzle piece together,
Speaker 1: and I'm just I'm enjoying it. And that's kind of
Speaker 1: where I'm at with it. You make your work and
Speaker 1: if you're in it together, it will and that's that's wonderful.
Speaker 1: I love I love the way you're handling it. You
Speaker 1: seem so at ease and so calm about all of this.
Speaker 1: It looks good on you, which is very different from
Speaker 1: how I've ever been. So it's nice to not be
Speaker 1: so like anxiously attached to like like, oh my GODNA
Speaker 1: have to have this. And I think it was last
Speaker 1: year I did spend just a lot of time truly
Speaker 1: alone and not dating and just like and I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: So it's like, I know, I'll be okay no matter what,
Speaker 1: Like I know I'm not going to die alone, and
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna have whether it be a relationship or
Speaker 1: my friends, like, I'm not gonna I'm good. I met
Speaker 1: you at such a tumultuous time in your life. You
Speaker 1: were you were actually separated from Mike at the time. Actually,
Speaker 1: do you remember when we met? Well, I'm remember the
Speaker 1: one time we met, when we did the podcast? Was
Speaker 1: he with me or not? That was? And then we
Speaker 1: were at a concert. Oh, yes, country music. I can't
Speaker 1: I haven't been able to figure out who it was.
Speaker 1: But this is maybe it was several years ago. I mean,
Speaker 1: this may have been six or seven years ago. And yeah,
Speaker 1: what I didn't realize and you don't know, is that
Speaker 1: we were being set up that night, were we? Yes,
Speaker 1: we have a mutual friend. Her name rhymes with Amy Sugarman.
Speaker 1: And I had no idea about that. Oh my god, wait,
Speaker 1: I think I do like Baku. Yes, Jenny. I found
Speaker 1: out about this yesterday. So I was talking to Amy
Speaker 1: preparing for this interview. It say, you know, I tried
Speaker 1: to hook you guys up, And I was like, what
Speaker 1: are you what are you talking about? Say you remember
Speaker 1: that concert? I said, yeah, I remember meeting her at
Speaker 1: that concert, and she was kind of pushing us together
Speaker 1: and we were talking. We had a great time. I
Speaker 1: think we had a cocktail. I didn't think much of it.
Speaker 1: She says, Yeah, I was hoping I didn't tell Janna
Speaker 1: and I didn't tell you. I was hoping you guys
Speaker 1: would connect that night, because you were separated and you
Speaker 1: seem like you were in a kind of a messy,
Speaker 1: tough spot in your life at that point. But yeah,
Speaker 1: how funny was that. I had no idea, and I
Speaker 1: know you didn't either, that we were on a tried
Speaker 1: to be hooked up that night. Wow. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was not even thinking that at all, because I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was that's really hot mess. You were going through
Speaker 1: such a public divorce. Yeah, and you talked a lot
Speaker 1: about it. You talked about the cheating, you talked about
Speaker 1: you You really were public about that. What made you
Speaker 1: decide to speak the way you did and not keep
Speaker 1: it private? I didn't have a choice to be well her,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say that. I hate when people say because
Speaker 1: you have choices. Right. It was when I was on
Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars and the story got leaked that
Speaker 1: my AX was at rehab for sex Addiction and I'll
Speaker 1: never forget it. I was in the air at the
Speaker 1: airport going to a show while I was still on
Speaker 1: Dancing with Stars, and I saw my face on US
Speaker 1: Weekly magazine saying Mary to a sex Addict, and it
Speaker 1: was just that was my first and only cover. I'm like, congratulations, fabulous.
Speaker 1: I was just like I was so embarrassed. I mean
Speaker 1: I wanted to just take all of them and just
Speaker 1: like or turn them around. And it was it was
Speaker 1: so embarrassing. And when my ex and I, you know,
Speaker 1: decided to work on the marriage. I remember I was
Speaker 1: writing a book and I had put this piece in
Speaker 1: there and he's like, I don't want to talk about it,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, but we could help people, and
Speaker 1: like he's like, it's gonna go away. I'm like, what
Speaker 1: you don't understand is they're going to always write about this.
Speaker 1: They're always going to write that we've separated, that you
Speaker 1: went to you know, sex addiction rehab or whatever. Like
Speaker 1: they're always going to say it. So I'm like, let's
Speaker 1: just turn this into something where it could like help
Speaker 1: people or be positive or like have a different message
Speaker 1: than like she was cheated on La La and he
Speaker 1: was really against it, and so I dropped it. And
Speaker 1: then when I started my podcast, wind Out, it was
Speaker 1: just me and someone who worked at iHeart, and you know,
Speaker 1: I told him, I was like, if you ever want
Speaker 1: to come on, you know, you're more than welcome to
Speaker 1: be a guest. We don't have to talk about everything.
Speaker 1: But he came on and just started opening up and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh crap, like we're going there, and
Speaker 1: you know, when we got done with it, he was like, man,
Speaker 1: he's like that felt really good to just like talk.
Speaker 1: And because when you get on the podcast, Mike, it's
Speaker 1: like you can't no one really sees you. So you're
Speaker 1: just like talking cathartic. Yeah, you have these conversations that
Speaker 1: can lead kind of get you into trouble sometimes because
Speaker 1: you become so open and honest. Yeah, And so he
Speaker 1: just started talking and then from there he's like, man,
Speaker 1: maybe we really could help people because he had saw
Speaker 1: all the comments on my Instagram like that was so helpful.
Speaker 1: And so that was when we were like, Okay, let's
Speaker 1: you know, let's let's do this together and let's help people.
Speaker 1: The problem was he was still not in active recovery.
Speaker 1: So even though he was saying he was, so where
Speaker 1: it became this shit show was things kept happening or
Speaker 1: relapse has kept happening, and so it just became this
Speaker 1: I mean, our show as a train wreck, just with
Speaker 1: one thing after the next of something else happening and
Speaker 1: me being like, how would you do that again? And
Speaker 1: like we're saying all this on the air. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I think a huge regret of mine is that it
Speaker 1: was speaking so openly with the wounds and not like
Speaker 1: a scar, right, So it was just, oh, it's something
Speaker 1: you probably started with this benevolent idea of this will
Speaker 1: be healing for everybody, and we are kind of past it,
Speaker 1: and when you realize this is still an open bullet wound,
Speaker 1: it was too late and you're like, yeah, we got
Speaker 1: to keep going with us, and now what do we
Speaker 1: do exactly? And I think that was you know, it
Speaker 1: ended up. As much as we loved the idea of
Speaker 1: helping people, I mean it both. I think it was
Speaker 1: a big piece of the continuing like he was always
Speaker 1: going to be the perpetrator and I was always going
Speaker 1: to be the I just kept highlighting, and I think
Speaker 1: that really drove a wedge into our marriage. You know,
Speaker 1: for him and I both, how are y'all doing? Now?
Speaker 1: Obviously you co parent, you have two beautiful kids. You know,
Speaker 1: as someone who's divorced with children and has to co parent,
Speaker 1: you figure all that out. Your kids are much younger
Speaker 1: than mine. How has that been? The first year was
Speaker 1: really tough obviously because there was a lot of anger
Speaker 1: and hurt on my side and there was anger and
Speaker 1: hurt on his side. I mean, he had he wasn't
Speaker 1: happy with you know how um you know, I think
Speaker 1: because I kept like talking about it, and so that
Speaker 1: was really difficult for him. He's like, why can't you
Speaker 1: just stop, like we're done, stop talking about it? And
Speaker 1: for me, I'm like, I'm helping people and this is
Speaker 1: my like and so trying to find like that balance
Speaker 1: was was tough and so and yeah, and with my
Speaker 1: therapist too, she was just I kept wanting to have
Speaker 1: like this apology or like for him to accept it,
Speaker 1: and and it just we just I kept wanting to
Speaker 1: talk about it and be like, don't you see now
Speaker 1: it's like we're divorced, Like Janna, shut up. Yeah, You're
Speaker 1: never gonna get that moment, right, You're never gonna get
Speaker 1: that those words that just make it all okay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think it was really hard experiencing first that
Speaker 1: first year, like you know, not having them for the
Speaker 1: first Thanksgiving or this, that and the first are hard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the first are, Like it was so hard. But I
Speaker 1: journaled a lot. I wrote a lot during that year,
Speaker 1: which hopefully I'll be able to help people with that
Speaker 1: when I poventually be able to get that out. But
Speaker 1: so that was tough for us because I had so
Speaker 1: much anger and like just truly hate those moments, and
Speaker 1: those moments, those first are not only painful, but they
Speaker 1: can drive that hurt even more because you're laying there.
Speaker 1: I remember the first night I didn't have my kids
Speaker 1: and I had bought a house to kind of quietly
Speaker 1: move into. I didn't tell we had to announced it yet,
Speaker 1: and I remember I didn't even have like window coverings
Speaker 1: and shades up yet, and so I was like, and
Speaker 1: I didn't have a bed, I had a mattress on
Speaker 1: the floor. I'm laying there without my kids, thinking what
Speaker 1: the hell? And you do? You get anger and it's
Speaker 1: hard and you're hurt. There's a lot of those emotions,
Speaker 1: and like you said, the first holidays in school and um,
Speaker 1: it's difficult, and a lot of people don't talk about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah and I yeah, and it was I remember the
Speaker 1: first time we went to like Julie's and Jolie was
Speaker 1: going to kindergarten that year, and so you know, you
Speaker 1: walk in and you just see like the two chairs
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I just sit next to him, like
Speaker 1: we just got divorced, and I'm just like and you know,
Speaker 1: that was just there's so there's so many first that
Speaker 1: year that yeah, we're just so hard. But I'm really
Speaker 1: proud of us how we've been able to turn it
Speaker 1: around the last I would say seven eight months, Like
Speaker 1: we've really been able to communicate, well, we're working well together. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I think once I put aside our stuff
Speaker 1: and was just like, okay, let's co parent the best
Speaker 1: for our kids, and uh, you know I I the
Speaker 1: first kind of olive branch was I invited him to
Speaker 1: Jay's birthday party and it was tough, but at the
Speaker 1: same time, like, my focus is my kids. So if
Speaker 1: they can see us laughing, having a good time, all
Speaker 1: of our stuff doesn't matter anymore. Like all of that
Speaker 1: is my own work. So it's like I don't have
Speaker 1: to like I don't need the I don't need an
Speaker 1: apology from it, and I don't really technically need to
Speaker 1: forgive him, Like it's just what Right now, they're doing
Speaker 1: a great job, and I hope it can go on
Speaker 1: that Well. What you just said is so huge and
Speaker 1: it's so important for parents out there who are going
Speaker 1: through this jan and I feel your pain, but it
Speaker 1: is you have to just remove yourself. Your relationship doesn't
Speaker 1: matter anymore. It's all about your kids and it's all
Speaker 1: about just putting them first. And you know, we did,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't work for everybody, but we did the
Speaker 1: rule of you know, any sporting events, any school events,
Speaker 1: any major like birthdays, that kind of stuff. Everybody's welcome.
Speaker 1: You know, mom and dad are welcome period. If it
Speaker 1: was at my house, she's welcome her house, I'm welcome.
Speaker 1: And we just dealt with it. And there is bitterness
Speaker 1: and there's little snide comments, and you've got to swallow
Speaker 1: your pride a lot. And you leave and you're more
Speaker 1: upset than when you can. But you you said that
Speaker 1: you hit the nail on the head. The kids saw you.
Speaker 1: The kids know you're present, they know you're happy, and
Speaker 1: they you know that you're working on it, and that's
Speaker 1: it's hard, but it's huge. You've got to put them first.
Speaker 1: And I try to just swallow the things that like
Speaker 1: i'd love to say, or the comments or how I
Speaker 1: feel like, because I don't want my kids to ever
Speaker 1: feel that anxiety too. So I'm just like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: And tomorrow we're coaching Jason's baseball team together, like we're
Speaker 1: doing like I'm like, hey, do you want to coach
Speaker 1: with me? Like it's just we'd think it's easier usually.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, again, I'm painting with a broad
Speaker 1: brush because some things are so toxic and so they
Speaker 1: never recover. And I feel for those parents because having
Speaker 1: those moments, it gets easier and it gets better and
Speaker 1: you start to enjoy it well. And the thing too
Speaker 1: is it's like I could I see how some divorced
Speaker 1: parents are and like just how much they hate each
Speaker 1: other and they don't talk and they're talking through things
Speaker 1: and I and you know, I could. I could hate
Speaker 1: my ex for the rest of my life and for
Speaker 1: everything that he did. But I'm at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, I'm like, I don't like carrying any of that.
Speaker 1: So I'm like I have to, like, in a way,
Speaker 1: let it go for my kids, because I'm like, I
Speaker 1: just I can't carry that like hatred for someone. Look
Speaker 1: where you are, you're in love, things are great and
Speaker 1: this you know, that got you to hear yeah, and
Speaker 1: you have two beautiful kids to show for it. But
Speaker 1: it's interesting because he had said something um to me.
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, you've really changed since being in
Speaker 1: the relationship, and I go, I want you to know
Speaker 1: that it was We had one conversation where it was
Speaker 1: kind of like it come to Jesus and it's like,
Speaker 1: we want to be there for the kids together, letting
Speaker 1: them us, you know, letting them see us happy. And
Speaker 1: I was like, it was that conversation that I was
Speaker 1: able to because he kind of acknowledged a few things.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, I can just step away from
Speaker 1: you know, certain things and talking about certain aspects. And
Speaker 1: has Alan met Mike yet? Has he met your x um?
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm ready to talk about that
Speaker 1: piece yet, but there will be the day for sure. Okay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean obviously it's going to happen to some point
Speaker 1: if you guys stay together. That's always an interesting one.
Speaker 1: Of that dynamic as well. I mean I've been through there.
Speaker 1: Lauren has met my X and we've we've taken those
Speaker 1: steps in the in the more you date and the
Speaker 1: more serious you are, that's what happens. And the same
Speaker 1: thing meeting the kids and being together. All those questions
Speaker 1: are hard for a single parent. It's so tough, and
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to navigate the best because again, the
Speaker 1: end of the day, my kids are my world. So
Speaker 1: I just want them to be happy, and that's it.
Speaker 1: That's all we can do, is the best we can
Speaker 1: do at the time. That's it He gave for us. Though,
Speaker 1: Look how happy like this is good, amazing. I know
Speaker 1: we have come a long way. We have a question
Speaker 1: how old your fiance do you want kids? No? No? Okay,
Speaker 1: a discussion we've had o heay, And again an important
Speaker 1: discussion to have as you're getting into a relationship and
Speaker 1: you're talking about marriage. And I have two kids previously
Speaker 1: that are now in college, a junior and a freshman,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I was not looking to start over. And she,
Speaker 1: through her own life experiences, also doesn't want to have kids.
Speaker 1: So that part of our relationship was amazing. As we
Speaker 1: came together. How about you? Do you want to have more?
Speaker 1: I think I'm too old, but I'm old. You're not
Speaker 1: even You're not even forty yet. This year I will do.
Speaker 1: You're knocking on the door hill, so you think you
Speaker 1: think that ship is sailed. I again, I never say never,
Speaker 1: but I think, um, I can say never. No, unless
Speaker 1: it's a miracle, I can say never. So so the
Speaker 1: door is not completely closed. Never say never. But that's
Speaker 1: that's your feeling at the moment. Yeah, I don't think. Um,
Speaker 1: what about more country music? Yeah? Excited that song Later
Speaker 1: this year we're going to put out into an EP,
Speaker 1: so I'm really pumped about that. So I'm just like, um,
Speaker 1: one's just a really fun song. Where it? Because I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm so sick and tired of writing about
Speaker 1: like oh my God, I got hurt and you broke
Speaker 1: my heart and the so, um, I have a song
Speaker 1: coming out this summer that's just like I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to write just a really fun girl anthem
Speaker 1: and it's fun. Oh good. Well, your your freshman album,
Speaker 1: self titled Jenna Kramer, came out with twenty twelve, and
Speaker 1: then in twenty fifteen, the sophomore album, which is supposed
Speaker 1: to be harder and less successful. Absolutely blew up. I
Speaker 1: think what you had seven singles that that hit the charts,
Speaker 1: you were nominated for Female Vocalist of the Year. I mean,
Speaker 1: you were all over I'm a big country music fan.
Speaker 1: I'm such a geek, and you know, you were all
Speaker 1: over the highway and all over satellite radio. I loved it.
Speaker 1: Every time you came up. I was like, yes, thank
Speaker 1: you and so. But but I was wondering, Okay, what's next, Like,
Speaker 1: I know you've been so busy with so many other things,
Speaker 1: but I hope you get back to country music. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I definitely am it's it's it's so. I
Speaker 1: don't want to say it's hard for it is a
Speaker 1: lot harder for women. But I'm not on a label
Speaker 1: anywhere very much. So yeah, so without being on the label,
Speaker 1: which was so frustrated to be when I got dropped,
Speaker 1: essentially I had outcharted some of the guys they still
Speaker 1: have on the record label. So I'm like, how unfair
Speaker 1: is it that you're dropping me when I've outcharted these
Speaker 1: people that have never charted. So it's just I never
Speaker 1: really truly made sense to me. But you know, I
Speaker 1: think at the time too, I didn't really I just
Speaker 1: had my son Jason. I didn't want to be out
Speaker 1: on the road anymore because tourings are really lonely life.
Speaker 1: And I think the downfall for me was that I
Speaker 1: had other options, so like I came into country music
Speaker 1: from being an actress. So I think because I had
Speaker 1: a fallback, I guess or something else that I did
Speaker 1: before it. I didn't fight. I could have kept if
Speaker 1: I didn't have anything else, I would have kept fighting, right,
Speaker 1: And so now I'm like, oh, do it for fun
Speaker 1: and I love just doing music and I'll play shows
Speaker 1: every once in a while. But you're going to drop
Speaker 1: some music this summer. Absolutely, I'm super excited about that.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. Send those to me. I want a preview.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm excited. I'm very excited. I can't wait
Speaker 1: for the for the new music from Janna Kramer. Before
Speaker 1: you go, can we completely do a one eighty? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I want to talk this something Lauren and I do
Speaker 1: every show, we go over the dramatic headlines of the week,
Speaker 1: and oh yeah, we covered we covered some, but I
Speaker 1: want I saved some for you because I knew you
Speaker 1: would be great to gossip with. Okay, great, let's do it.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna jump in dramatic headlines of the week
Speaker 1: with Jana Kramer. Um. We got to talk about Harry
Speaker 1: Styles Emily Radikowski making out in Tokyo. Okay, So, you
Speaker 1: know what's so crazy? As I saw her at what
Speaker 1: show it was? It was in New York. It's a
Speaker 1: polo club, Okay, it was right. She had broken up
Speaker 1: with her with her husband, right, and I'm like, she's
Speaker 1: just she's beautiful. But you know what my first thought was,
Speaker 1: I felt bad for what's her face? Who was just
Speaker 1: with her? With him? Wait? Ted Lasso's ex wife, Oh,
Speaker 1: Olivia Wilde. Yeah, that was my first That was my
Speaker 1: first thought was like I didn't know where that was going. Yes,
Speaker 1: I know, so, yeah, Harry was Yeah, so Harry had
Speaker 1: just been with Olivia Wilde Emily Radikowski apparently what divorced
Speaker 1: six months ago, and they clearly she's touring with him
Speaker 1: or hanging out with him in Japan and they had
Speaker 1: a serious makeout. Sash. Here's a thing very public. They
Speaker 1: knew they were on the streets, they knew they were onlookers.
Speaker 1: They were like leaning against a car with the umbrella.
Speaker 1: It looked very aged. Yeah, I mean that's such a
Speaker 1: you know, that's such an indictment to say it was staged.
Speaker 1: But they very much knew these photographs were going to
Speaker 1: go all over the world very quickly. So that's yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting too because I'm like, wasn't she front
Speaker 1: with who's the other guy that dated Pete Davidson? Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was just with him too, So I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: she got she's got a note. Obviously she doesn't want
Speaker 1: to be private, so and I think she just want
Speaker 1: to Maybe she's wanting to get back at her acts.
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure. Okay, That's what I was going
Speaker 1: to ask you. Is someone who's been through some rough
Speaker 1: and tumble times relationship wise hooking up with Pete Davidson
Speaker 1: now Harry Styles, Um, is this a rebound? Is this
Speaker 1: the I don't know if you can call them both
Speaker 1: bad boys? But like, what what is this she's going through?
Speaker 1: I think? And this is something where I can say,
Speaker 1: you don't go to certain restaurants if you don't want
Speaker 1: to get photographed. So I remember after my divorce, I
Speaker 1: went to a certain thing because I'm like, you know
Speaker 1: what I want to look like. I'm like, I'm over you,
Speaker 1: and I don't. You're going to You're going to Katsuya,
Speaker 1: You're going to Nobu, going to catch Yes, it used
Speaker 1: to be the Ivy back in the day. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: there's certain restaurants you know the paparazzi are just hanging outside.
Speaker 1: You know they're gonna Craigs is another good one where
Speaker 1: there's always paparazzi hanging out. Legs is so good. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I definitely you know she's I make up that it's maybe,
Speaker 1: you know, to kind of get back over you. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't disagree. I just I see this the Pete
Speaker 1: Davids into Harry styles and and I'm like, okay, she's
Speaker 1: soiling her oats getting back at the X. This is
Speaker 1: some sort of revenge or something, right, Because you can
Speaker 1: be private, you can, That's the thing. There are ways
Speaker 1: people do get you. And I do know that from
Speaker 1: what I went through that they can get you walking
Speaker 1: out of a dunkin Donuts at times. But there there
Speaker 1: are times when you know, Kylie, Kylie Jenner can hide
Speaker 1: her entire pregnancy for nine months, you can be private
Speaker 1: there you go just um in speaking of divorce news
Speaker 1: Reese Witherspoon different. That one broke my heart a little bit.
Speaker 1: But you know, can I can I be honest? Yeah? Go.
Speaker 1: I don't follow Reese on social media, but I feel
Speaker 1: like I see her a lot red carpets and all this.
Speaker 1: I didn't know she was married. Oh really, when I
Speaker 1: heard she was divorced, that's the first time I learned
Speaker 1: that she was married. So yeah, that one surprised me,
Speaker 1: just because, like you said, like how private they are,
Speaker 1: but knowing Ryan and kind of how he did her wrong,
Speaker 1: I was. It just looked like she found her person right.
Speaker 1: So that one, that one made me sad, especially how
Speaker 1: private they've been too. Yeah. His name was, by the way,
Speaker 1: Jim Toth. I had no idea I was this many
Speaker 1: days old when I learned that Reese Witherspoon was not
Speaker 1: only married but now getting divorced. But I guess this
Speaker 1: is something that's also been rumored around Hollywood for quite
Speaker 1: some time, that this was probably going to happen. Oh really, See,
Speaker 1: I'm like so out of the game that, like I
Speaker 1: have no it was something hanging out in Nashville. Oh no,
Speaker 1: you you're hanging out now? Oh? Oh yeah, yeah, speak
Speaker 1: of going on in Nashville. I was like, oh, when
Speaker 1: you wanted to get photographed, is that where you went?
Speaker 1: You went to catch or were you in Nashville? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I love that you knew that. And you're like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go out, I'm gonna put on Did you put
Speaker 1: on like a revenge dress, like something hot? And you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't, but I should have. I just put on
Speaker 1: a real happy face, and that's all I thought I
Speaker 1: needed at the time. You know, were you ever spotted
Speaker 1: like making out with anybody doing the Emily Radikowski? No,
Speaker 1: not not that far. And also, can I admit I
Speaker 1: did not know who Emily Radikowski was. I had heard
Speaker 1: I feel like she's one of these people, especially for guys.
Speaker 1: I've heard the name and I'm like, is she a
Speaker 1: famous actress? Is she? I didn't know. I had to
Speaker 1: really google who this person was. I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: going to be an idiot when I realized that she's
Speaker 1: an Oscar winner or something. Turns out like she did
Speaker 1: some modeling and she kind of did some acting. But
Speaker 1: I didn't feel so bad, like she's not someone that
Speaker 1: has been in front of us publicly that much. Yes,
Speaker 1: so she's I remember from Gone Girl, I thought she
Speaker 1: did great and that yeah she was Ben Affleck's significant
Speaker 1: other and Gone Girl, Yeah, I thought she did great. Um.
Speaker 1: And you know, even when I saw her Pole Lounge,
Speaker 1: I was like, man, she's she's very striking in person,
Speaker 1: and um, you know, she seemed she seemed friendly. I
Speaker 1: gave her a little smile. I love the Polo Lounge.
Speaker 1: By the way, the burger is off the chart? Can
Speaker 1: I can you know? Can can I tell you my cheat?
Speaker 1: They have a pistrami sandwich. And I know this sounds
Speaker 1: weird getting at the Polo Lounge, but you get it
Speaker 1: as an appetizer. Tell him to slice it up into
Speaker 1: fours and get the pistrami sandwich as an app I'm
Speaker 1: talking about falling off the wagon on your diet getting
Speaker 1: that and then a stake at the Polo Lounge. Heaven, heaven, great.
Speaker 1: Speaking of I'm a big wine person, yes, and I
Speaker 1: didn't mention this off the top before I say goodbye.
Speaker 1: I gotta let find out what are you doing with
Speaker 1: this wine? Okay, So I'm really excited. We just signed
Speaker 1: with a very big wine distributor. So um, crossing my fingers.
Speaker 1: That's going to be in a lot of places very soon.
Speaker 1: What the same of it's how the one brick, one brick?
Speaker 1: Where'd that come from? It actually came from my book.
Speaker 1: It says anything can happen one brick at a time,
Speaker 1: so one bottle, one brick at a time. I love that, Janna.
Speaker 1: It was so good catching up with you. I love
Speaker 1: that we are here. Yeah, and I you know, I
Speaker 1: hadn't talked to you in quite some time, and I
Speaker 1: heard you were dating somebody. But to see how happy
Speaker 1: you are, to see how this is kind of just
Speaker 1: showering over you right now makes me happy. I'm really
Speaker 1: happy for you. Thank you, I appreciate it. And good
Speaker 1: luck tonight as you step out and Janna Kramer and
Speaker 1: her boyfriend Alan Russell going to be red Carpet official tonight.
Speaker 1: So when you get up tomorrow, if you listen to
Speaker 1: this podcast today, get up and you got to google
Speaker 1: the pictures of the red carpet for the iHeart Music Awards.
Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever. I can't wait
Speaker 1: to see his dress. I know I'm a little worried now.
Speaker 1: All I know you got hair and makeup. I know
Speaker 1: you got to get ready. Alan's not there? Is he
Speaker 1: is he standing there listening to all this? He is?
Speaker 1: He does. When he mentioned the dress, he just but
Speaker 1: tell Alan, I'm I'm a huge soccer fan. And so
Speaker 1: someday he and I are going to do a different podcast,
Speaker 1: the kind of podcast nobody will ever care about because
Speaker 1: it'll be just us geeking out about soccer. Stems up.
Speaker 1: He wants to do like a soccer podcast, So that's like,
Speaker 1: you know, and talk about like because you know, he's
Speaker 1: big on like the striker and whoever scores and stuff,
Speaker 1: so like you know, he'll bring you on as a guest.
Speaker 1: I'm all in you, guys. I wish you the best,
Speaker 1: good luck tonight, have a blast, all the love and
Speaker 1: I will talk to you very soon. Okay, love you guys,
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at the most
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