Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King. I'm Carlos King, the
Speaker 1: King of Reality TV. For those of you who don't
Speaker 1: know me, let me give you a little backstory about
Speaker 1: why everyone calls me the King of reality TV. I
Speaker 1: have been producing high profile TV for over ten years
Speaker 1: and not responsible for some of the most unforgettable moments
Speaker 1: in reality TV history, like the Real Housewives of Atlanta
Speaker 1: seasons one through four and six through nine, and the
Speaker 1: first two seasons of the Real Housewives of New Jersey.
Speaker 1: I was the magician behind those marvelous women. Honey, Yes,
Speaker 1: so look Teresa's table flip. Yeah, honey, your boy was
Speaker 1: there hiding underneath the table, making sure that book was
Speaker 1: on display. I have done spin offs with the Real
Speaker 1: Housewives franchise like Candy's Wedding and Candy Ski Trip, while
Speaker 1: also building an empire of my own. I now run
Speaker 1: my own production company called Kingdom Rank Entertainment, where I
Speaker 1: created shows like Stelling, Hollywood BT Presents, Beyond Core, and
Speaker 1: Hollywood Divas. And I just launched a new franchise, Love
Speaker 1: and Marriage. That's right, Love and Marriage is coming to
Speaker 1: DC with none other than Missus Monique, Samuel's.
Speaker 2: Gag buddy yes, I mean get it too.
Speaker 1: My resume, As Beyonce said, check my credentials. I give
Speaker 1: you everything you want and everything you need. Come on,
Speaker 1: be so here on Reality with the King. You guys
Speaker 1: are getting an established reality TV producer to discuss all
Speaker 1: things reality television. We'll sit down with my friends across
Speaker 1: the entertainment industry, recap our favorite shows, and revisit unforgettable
Speaker 1: moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. Me.
Speaker 2: Hey, y'all so lucky.
Speaker 1: My first guest on Reality with the King is none
Speaker 1: other than be Honey, Miss Ebanie K Williams. Her announcement
Speaker 1: as the first black housewife of the Real Housewives of
Speaker 1: New York City immediately took social media by storm, and
Speaker 1: we were all so excited for her reality TV debut. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: her patrol on the show ruffled a few feathers.
Speaker 2: A couple of those feathers from mind child.
Speaker 1: With the cast and for those watching at home, and
Speaker 1: for that very reason, I knew I needed to sit
Speaker 1: down with Ebanie not only to get her take on
Speaker 1: Bravo's unprecedented decision to split the Real Housewives of New
Speaker 1: York City into two shows, but also to get the
Speaker 1: chance to get to know Ebanie for ourselves. Now, let's
Speaker 1: get into my conversation with miss Ebanie k williams Andy
Speaker 1: Cohen announced that The Real Housewives of New York City
Speaker 1: was going to be split into two shows, one called
Speaker 1: at you know, working title, but one called The Real
Speaker 1: Housewives of New York City Legacy or the Ogs, which
Speaker 1: is about, of course, the familiar faces of the franchise,
Speaker 1: and the other one is going to be called The
Speaker 1: Real Housewives of New York City, except this one, and
Speaker 1: I quote, will be a multi cultural.
Speaker 2: Caz of real friends.
Speaker 1: Ebany, When you first learned of this information, where were you?
Speaker 2: What happened?
Speaker 1: And did you find out? Along with us peasants? I
Speaker 1: e the audience.
Speaker 3: So I was right here in this Airbnb and I
Speaker 3: was working, and I got it. I did get an
Speaker 3: advanced call from production to let me know the details.
Speaker 2: How much in advanced though, girl.
Speaker 3: You know, I can't say, okay, I can't say, I
Speaker 3: can't say was.
Speaker 2: It was it hours before it was.
Speaker 3: Enough for me to not be shocked when when the
Speaker 3: general populace found out, I was informed, and I was
Speaker 3: in my feelings for about two seconds only because you know,
Speaker 3: I feel very strongly that I did everything in my power,
Speaker 3: everything I knew, to do everything I could do to
Speaker 3: show up full throttle as my inaugural season as a housewife.
Speaker 3: I feel very strongly that several of the aspects of
Speaker 3: the traditional housewife experience, which you know all too well
Speaker 3: because you helped curate the shit.
Speaker 4: Were absent from my season. We're in a lockdown.
Speaker 3: It's New York, so it's not the same as a
Speaker 3: lockdown in other parts of the country. It was no dice,
Speaker 3: there was no international trip, there was no glamour, there
Speaker 3: was no glitter. So it just was lacking of the
Speaker 3: fun that housewives is known for. So I was looking
Speaker 3: forward to coming back season fourteen, no questions asked, to
Speaker 3: have that real like almost like a duo, you know.
Speaker 3: I was looking forward to that experience. So when I
Speaker 3: got the call that that's not happening, we're starting from
Speaker 3: the ground up and essentially, you, just like every other
Speaker 3: bitch in New York, will have the same opportunity to
Speaker 3: present a coalition of your actual social circle that represents
Speaker 3: the diversity of New York's it women, and we'll go
Speaker 3: from there. So essentially, you know, it's starting over from
Speaker 3: the ground up. So I did feel a way about
Speaker 3: that emotionally for about two seconds, and then I put
Speaker 3: my big girl panties on Carlos and I said, this
Speaker 3: is actually more than fair to me from a network perspective,
Speaker 3: and frankly just from a consumer of content perspective. The
Speaker 3: audience deserves to see what has always made Housewives successful,
Speaker 3: which is not a.
Speaker 4: Plug and play, you know, pasting situation.
Speaker 3: It is a curation of an existing friend group of
Speaker 3: women of different personalities, different dynamics, different aspects coming together
Speaker 3: and living that out loud for television. That's Housewives, not
Speaker 3: what it had become in New York, which was listen.
Speaker 3: It was that in the beginning, and then they realized
Speaker 3: that's a flight to the city of New York because
Speaker 3: it's so white and a particular kind of white that
Speaker 3: really excludes the vast majority of New Yorkers and women
Speaker 3: in New York. And I only know that to be
Speaker 3: true now, Carlos, more than I did before I was
Speaker 3: on the show, because I was getting women of all coaches.
Speaker 3: I was getting blonde, white women, I was getting Middle
Speaker 3: East of women, I was getting Muslim women, Jewish women,
Speaker 3: Caribbean women, Haitian women, saying it was so nice for
Speaker 3: them to see me on season thirteen because they felt
Speaker 3: finally a woman they could relate to, and again including
Speaker 3: some white women, but these were white women that were
Speaker 3: frankly working attorneys, dentists, dermatologists, you know.
Speaker 4: So anyways, that's that was.
Speaker 3: Really My initial take was like Dan, basically, I have
Speaker 3: to audition for my job again.
Speaker 4: I have to start over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how I took it too, And that's facts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I took it that way too.
Speaker 1: And as somebody like you said, who's been a part
Speaker 1: of the Real Housewives orbit for many many years, doing
Speaker 1: Atlanta and all black casts with one white woman, Kim Zosiak,
Speaker 1: and then doing New Jersey with an all white cast,
Speaker 1: When I saw this announcement, I'm gonna be honest with you,
Speaker 1: I was taken aback because I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people who look like you, and I felt that, Okay,
Speaker 1: does this mean that?
Speaker 2: And I'm going to be very honest.
Speaker 1: I felt that, Wow, did Ebany shake the table so
Speaker 1: much that she single handedly raised the flag to a
Speaker 1: show that did not represent the diversity that we all
Speaker 1: know New York has become. And because people I e
Speaker 1: the audience have said Ebony ruined the show. Not just
Speaker 1: white folks, some black folks feel the same way to Ebony.
Speaker 1: We can't fire Ebony because she is the first black
Speaker 1: housewife of New York City. So we can't get rid
Speaker 1: of her because we know that she has no connection
Speaker 1: to these girls. And anybody who believes you and Leah
Speaker 1: in real life with be friends needs to go back
Speaker 1: to grade school.
Speaker 2: But we'll talk about that later as well.
Speaker 1: So instead of causing Black Twitter to set this shit
Speaker 1: on fire, let's create two separate shows to where we
Speaker 1: get to keep black folks happy that we're going to
Speaker 1: create a multi cultural, diverse show, and then we're going
Speaker 1: to say Ramona's job by making sure the face of
Speaker 1: New York City now that Bethany is gone.
Speaker 2: We have to say Ramona's job.
Speaker 1: So we're going to create a show to where the
Speaker 1: white audience who loves New York and loves to see
Speaker 1: old white women get drunk and have no storyline, We're going.
Speaker 2: To satisfy that audience.
Speaker 1: That's how I took it, and I felt that if
Speaker 1: it wasn't for Ebony being on the show, this would
Speaker 1: have never happened.
Speaker 3: Well, Okay, let's start with the last take. Probably probably right.
Speaker 3: I think that would be disingenuous of me to sit
Speaker 3: here in conversation with you, Carlos King, and act as
Speaker 3: if this decision is not the result of getting to
Speaker 3: a bridge too far to go with myself as the
Speaker 3: first black woman on the show, and the women who
Speaker 3: were on the show previously.
Speaker 4: I feel like this is at it.
Speaker 3: I feel I was more than willing the whole season,
Speaker 3: and after we aired, and after we wrapped, and after
Speaker 3: the decision to not have a reunion, I was always
Speaker 3: willing to negotiate with my former castmates about what an
Speaker 3: ensemble future could look like that included all of us,
Speaker 3: always right up until the very end.
Speaker 4: They were unwilling, is all I can tell you.
Speaker 3: They were unwilling to come to the table and meet
Speaker 3: me even halfway in that negotiation. And if you know
Speaker 3: anything about business, you know anything about the art of
Speaker 3: the deal, you can't.
Speaker 4: Close that way. You can't close.
Speaker 3: When parties involved in the negotiation are unwilling to give
Speaker 3: even an inch. So I think that, more than anything,
Speaker 3: is actually the reason, Carlos, that we are now getting
Speaker 3: these two shows.
Speaker 4: I think if there was a scenario. This is my.
Speaker 3: Opinion, as Temera Judge would say. I haven't heard this.
Speaker 4: From anybody at the highest levels of executive officer, but
Speaker 4: this is how I read it.
Speaker 3: If those same former castmates of mine had been willing
Speaker 3: to enter into the negotiation of co existing and sharing
Speaker 3: space with myself and additional women outside of their particular
Speaker 3: New York World and bubble, you would have had a
Speaker 3: season fourteen that was what everybody anticipated, a proper integration
Speaker 3: of old School new School.
Speaker 4: Because I do think and.
Speaker 3: I actually agree, I don't know that you would push
Speaker 3: back on the notion that it's a good thing if
Speaker 3: you can preserve the nostalgia of a legendary franchise.
Speaker 2: I agree with that.
Speaker 1: What I don't What I don't agree with, though, is well.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: Outside of Sonya Morgan, did the rest of the cast
Speaker 1: black value from continuing this conversation of trying to come
Speaker 1: together and make the show work?
Speaker 2: Were you black bald?
Speaker 4: I was not black bald. Okay, let me let me
Speaker 4: tell you why.
Speaker 3: I know that for fact, because if I had been
Speaker 3: black bald, I would not have been on Watch What
Speaker 3: Happens Live to promote my network television show that I'm
Speaker 3: currently on right now at CBS Beyond the Edge.
Speaker 1: So I wasn't black not black balled by the network,
Speaker 1: black bald by the cast? Were you, I'm gonna be real,
Speaker 1: Were you black balled by Luanne Ramona Leah in terms
Speaker 1: of not being able to come to the table.
Speaker 4: They were unwilling to.
Speaker 3: Yes, if if you want to call it black bald,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna, you know, dispute the semantics of that, Carlos.
Speaker 4: What I am telling you plainly, only Sonya Morgan.
Speaker 3: Was willing to come to the table and negotiate a
Speaker 3: future that involved me as a part of this ensemble.
Speaker 4: Period dot, period dot, poor child.
Speaker 2: Let me tell y'all something. This is just the beginning.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more of my conversation with Ebony K.
Speaker 2: Williams.
Speaker 1: Will be right back after some quick ads. This is
Speaker 1: reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's get
Speaker 1: back to my conversation with Ethony K. Williams and why
Speaker 1: I'm glad she shook the table. Child on the Real
Speaker 1: Housewives of New York franchise, Bethany Franco is the face
Speaker 1: of the Real house Watchs of New York City.
Speaker 2: She will never go back. She has made that very clear.
Speaker 1: Ramona was the reason her and Kenya Moore were the
Speaker 1: reason why Ultimus's Girls Trip was a fun show to watch.
Speaker 1: Ramona is entertaining to watch without Ramona. I don't think
Speaker 1: myself and any audience member wants to see Derenda Lumaine,
Speaker 1: Kelly ben Simone, Jill Zarren and Sonya Morgan have a
Speaker 1: key key without the Potstar. I believe she will be back.
Speaker 1: That's my opinion. No one has told me that. I'm
Speaker 1: just telling you based on my fifteen years in this business.
Speaker 1: That's how I how I took it. And I'll say
Speaker 1: this much about you. I appreciate that you shook the
Speaker 1: table at the show because it needed to be shaken.
Speaker 1: That show has not had a storyline in years, in years,
Speaker 1: and I felt that as a viewer, we were robbed
Speaker 1: of seeing the true essence of what caused the divorce
Speaker 1: between Ramona and Mario and getting that insight we've never
Speaker 1: saw it. I was very interested in seeing what happened
Speaker 1: with Derinda and John and seeing how that relationship became
Speaker 1: what it became.
Speaker 2: They never have a storyline.
Speaker 1: It truly is sex and the City, and that, to
Speaker 1: me was the downfall of that franchise. And I appreciated
Speaker 1: that you came on the show to show a different
Speaker 1: side of New York City and storytelling when it comes
Speaker 1: to your search for your father, your identity, the fact
Speaker 1: that during COVID you broke up with your fia, I say,
Speaker 1: because the brother wanted to spend time with his children.
Speaker 1: But as I was watching it, I kept saying to myself,
Speaker 1: does epane belong on this show?
Speaker 4: Or do they belong on this show?
Speaker 3: And I think that's but I think that's what Bravo
Speaker 3: ultimately is telling us that they concluded that perhaps the
Speaker 3: time is up for that energy to be at the
Speaker 3: forefront of the flags one of the flagship original because
Speaker 3: I mean, let's just call us Spade of Spadin. I
Speaker 3: love Potomac. It's Potomac's my favorite franchise. Let me be
Speaker 3: very clear. But when you talk about the kind of
Speaker 3: crown jewels that established the global phenomenon of housewives, you're
Speaker 3: talking about Atlanta, Orange County, and New York to an extent,
Speaker 3: maybe Beverly.
Speaker 4: Hills, that's what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: I agree with that, right, Okay.
Speaker 3: And then we all love the new iterations of Potomac
Speaker 3: and Salt Lake City and all that jazz relatively still
Speaker 3: new though. So when you're talking about out the really
Speaker 3: reverenced opportunity to be an apple holder on Real Housewives
Speaker 3: of New York City, there's a requirement there that story transparency,
Speaker 3: culturally relevant, finger on the pulse, moving the needle, and
Speaker 3: I to your point, as great as the third I
Speaker 3: would say about ten of the thirteen.
Speaker 1: Seasons, because it was only good when Bethany was on.
Speaker 1: And I'm not a Bethany stand but I call, like
Speaker 1: I said, she was the engine.
Speaker 4: She activated the show. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a good.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. Now, one thing I do have is a vocabulary now.
Speaker 3: But she absolutely activated the show and she brought out
Speaker 3: the best of the other women in terms of what
Speaker 3: they offer. So going back to Bethany and why she's
Speaker 3: so important and iconic is because she is what you
Speaker 3: call a force multiplier. I got this term from an
Speaker 3: NFL coach. A force multiplier is the type of individual
Speaker 3: you can drop into any scenario and everyone around them
Speaker 3: comes alive. Everyone around them offers something better, different, stronger, more.
Speaker 1: Wait say that work, because my gay ass, when you
Speaker 1: say sports I tune out.
Speaker 4: A force multiplier, a force multiplier.
Speaker 1: So, as a reality TV producer, what Ebony is spitting
Speaker 1: right now is nothing but the facts. But as a
Speaker 1: gay man, I never called it a force multiplier because
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means.
Speaker 2: It sounds like a I got it.
Speaker 4: From an NFL coach. Yes, you know, you know I
Speaker 4: have a resume.
Speaker 3: I have a resume and it includes being also a
Speaker 3: stint in sports casting. And during my stint in sports casting,
Speaker 3: I had a prolific head coach of the NFL talk
Speaker 3: to me about how there's a lot of difference. It's
Speaker 3: called like a slot receiver. You know, you just plug
Speaker 3: and play the plug and play types housewives all across
Speaker 3: the board a peppered with plug and play tips. But
Speaker 3: the Bethanies, the force multipliers, the I believe.
Speaker 4: Kenya Moore's you better say it.
Speaker 3: I believe you know. I believe Tamra Judge. I believe
Speaker 3: there are certa Giselle Bryant and carry.
Speaker 2: No one wants to admit that, and no Jiselle, so are.
Speaker 3: Jazelle and I have no personal relationship with Jazelle. I
Speaker 3: co hosted chat Room one time with the system had
Speaker 3: it a nice time, but that's it. So this is
Speaker 3: not that's my girl. I don't know Jazelle from very much,
Speaker 3: but when it comes to her value on the platform,
Speaker 3: Gazelle is a force multiplier.
Speaker 4: Everyone around her comes better because of her.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. You don't, you don't.
Speaker 1: And the thing about this force multiplier, what I always
Speaker 1: called them was the queen bee and I always got
Speaker 1: in trouble with that because some women are like, I'm
Speaker 1: nobody's peasant.
Speaker 2: I'm a queen. We're all queens. I'm a queen.
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna say force multiplier when I defined
Speaker 1: the activators on each ensemble, because Ebanie K Williams, first
Speaker 1: of all, I have to stop and say this.
Speaker 2: I thought I knew you, baby, I did not.
Speaker 3: But what I already know is most people don't really
Speaker 3: know me, and I don't fault anyone.
Speaker 4: I don't fault the public.
Speaker 3: You know, there was such a limited aspect of who
Speaker 3: I am demonstrated on season thirteen for a variety of reasons.
Speaker 3: And so that's another reason why season fourteen is very
Speaker 3: important to me.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be rial with you.
Speaker 1: I watch you on season thirteen, right, and I was like, hmm,
Speaker 1: is she trying too hard to represent the black woman
Speaker 1: of New York City?
Speaker 2: Or because I'm a producer, is someone.
Speaker 1: Telling her that that's going to be her position? And
Speaker 1: I thought that the focus was so much on you
Speaker 1: educating these white women on the black experience. It took
Speaker 1: away from what I'm watching now because I was like,
Speaker 1: Ebony's not a great housewife.
Speaker 2: She just isn't.
Speaker 1: And it was no shade to you. It was more
Speaker 1: so like I know what a housewife brings. A housewife
Speaker 1: is somebody that has a delusion of grander over the top.
Speaker 1: I feel horrible for because if I feel this way
Speaker 1: being the king of reality TV, I now know why
Speaker 1: other people may have felt this way because I was like,
Speaker 1: Ebony isn't a good housewife, but she's a great anchor
Speaker 1: on stuff like the View because I.
Speaker 2: Loved you on the View and we'll.
Speaker 1: Get to that later after Right now, I have the
Speaker 1: AHA moment because I have now realized and you don't
Speaker 1: have to confirm or deny this, this.
Speaker 2: Is me saying it.
Speaker 1: I now understand you were put in a box to
Speaker 1: represent a movement so that other people could say, see,
Speaker 1: we talked about it and we're on the path and
Speaker 1: we're a part of the movement.
Speaker 2: So leave us alone. Pr people, leave us alone Black.
Speaker 1: Twitter, instead of saying why can't we represent Ebanye K
Speaker 1: Williams on this show the way we did with the
Speaker 1: Guarsell on Beverly Hills.
Speaker 2: And I now realize in this aha.
Speaker 1: Moment, you are never given a fair chance of showing
Speaker 1: the authenticity of who you are because there was one
Speaker 1: agenda that was placed on you. And the fuck the
Speaker 1: part about it is you had the black community, the
Speaker 1: pressures of the black community, on your shoulders, and that
Speaker 1: is not fair to a woman who's walking into thirteen
Speaker 1: years of an established show.
Speaker 2: So I apologize to you.
Speaker 3: No apology needed. I receive everything that you offered with
Speaker 3: full and open heart. Carlows, And I'll say this, I
Speaker 3: went on The Breakfast Club shortly after season thirteen started airing,
Speaker 3: and I was at that point in my I was
Speaker 3: really hurt by some of the feedback that you echoed
Speaker 3: from my people, the white feedback. Expect you know, honey,
Speaker 3: I was in Fox News for five years. I'm very
Speaker 3: familiar with white angs.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know.
Speaker 3: Familiar, right if you've been around the block, aren't we all.
Speaker 3: So you know, as I said then and I'll say
Speaker 3: it again, you know, I have successfully divorced myself from
Speaker 3: white comfort and concerns of white approval.
Speaker 4: Period died.
Speaker 3: When it comes to relationship and acceptance by my people,
Speaker 3: my my black community and culture, it's very important to me.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm having to now as a grown woman
Speaker 3: who has had a year under her belt and actually
Speaker 3: a year of a season of a show. But if
Speaker 3: you talk about time, Carlos, you gotta remember, we were
Speaker 3: filming that in like September of twenty twenty, so we're
Speaker 3: coming up on like almost almost two years, you know,
Speaker 3: come this fall the point of me being in the
Speaker 3: reality TV universe. So now I'm a little more experienced
Speaker 3: when it comes to Okay, this is the press aspect, Okay,
Speaker 3: this is the social media aspect, Okay, this is the
Speaker 3: filming aspect.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: I'm better able to navigate, so I don't take the
Speaker 3: shit as personally anymore. So I understand better when I
Speaker 3: hear black some of black Twitter, because there's also the
Speaker 3: other contingency. I want to be fair here for sure,
Speaker 3: a lot of love from black folk all across the globe,
Speaker 3: absolutely that are like you know what, Sis, I might
Speaker 3: not have even done it the way you're doing it,
Speaker 3: but I appreciate the work.
Speaker 4: I see the intention, and I recognize that you're doing
Speaker 4: what needed to be done.
Speaker 3: You are not making, You're not doing when you say
Speaker 3: this in the SATH, I'm from the South, Carlos. No
Speaker 3: cut yeah, no cut cards with these women. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to go into a room and say, hey, ladies,
Speaker 3: welcome to dinner. By the way, let's talk about white fragility.
Speaker 3: But when you show up in a posture of white fragility,
Speaker 3: you're going to get called up for it.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3: You're gonna get called up for it. And I say
Speaker 3: called up instead of called out. That shout out to
Speaker 3: Queen Monique, the Oscar winning actress Monique.
Speaker 1: When it comes to the real housewats of New York City,
Speaker 1: obviously you won't be on the legacy version because that's
Speaker 1: for the ogs. But oh yes, I have to say this.
Speaker 1: I do believe you will be back. I believe that
Speaker 1: I'm very spiritual, and my spirit is telling me you
Speaker 1: will be back. Because the one thing about you, you
Speaker 1: have a very diversive friend group, and I think you're
Speaker 1: going to show a side of yourself that me and
Speaker 1: the audience haven't seen until we saw a glimmer of
Speaker 1: that when you're Watch What Happens Live? And what was
Speaker 1: funny about that moment? Ebony? Everybody, not just some I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say, everybody watched you on the most recent episode
Speaker 1: of Watch What Happens Live and fell in love with you.
Speaker 4: They did that, and I'm I'm a big age.
Speaker 3: I'm about to be thirty nine this year, but I
Speaker 3: would be disingenuous.
Speaker 4: I didn't say that.
Speaker 3: Meant something to me, Carlos, because again, I am not
Speaker 3: so bad ass, tough, veneered that love from my people
Speaker 3: doesn't count to me. Now you know, I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: get love about all the people, and that's okay. But
Speaker 3: but what's important to me, and I'm so glad we're
Speaker 3: having this conversation on your platform. I've had this conversation.
Speaker 3: We're not this because you can't duplicate this, but but
Speaker 3: I've spoken to this issue.
Speaker 4: Let me say at that way.
Speaker 3: I've spoken to the issue on other platforms, but none
Speaker 3: with the impact and reach of what this conversation is
Speaker 3: going to offer the culture, and so my people in
Speaker 3: my community Carlos understanding the purity of my intention. Tension
Speaker 3: was never to ruin your entertainment value of Ronie. It
Speaker 3: was never to make the show about me. Actually, I'm
Speaker 3: going to tell you this because I don't produce reality TV,
Speaker 3: but I do produce content executive produce. Actually, okay, And
Speaker 3: one thing about it is as a new, first year
Speaker 3: talent on an ensemble, I don't think it really should
Speaker 3: be centered around that individual because I think that when
Speaker 3: you talk about, especially an audience who is so in
Speaker 3: love with the nostalgia of a thirteen year franchise like Ronie,
Speaker 3: it could kind of the power dynamic of that can
Speaker 3: be uncomfortable for the audience. So it's like if I'm
Speaker 3: tuning in year thirteen for Ramona, so that energy, But
Speaker 3: you're giving me seventeen episodes that are predominantly featured around
Speaker 3: this brand new woman who I'm not in a relationship
Speaker 3: with yet because I'm just meeting her.
Speaker 4: For the first time.
Speaker 3: And the central conflict is around, as the always calls it,
Speaker 3: the you know, the color line is the problem of
Speaker 3: our century, and as we go into the twenty first century,
Speaker 3: it still is, you know, So you're making it about
Speaker 3: the tensions of race in America. What did we think
Speaker 3: was going to happen? What did we think was going
Speaker 3: to happen? And like you said, Carlos, it wasn't as
Speaker 3: if I didn't totally open my entire life up for
Speaker 3: the first time in front of those cameras. And you know,
Speaker 3: anybody from production will tell you that it was nothing
Speaker 3: was no stone left unturned understanding my you know, search
Speaker 3: for my father. That was not an easy thing to
Speaker 3: deal with with my mother, truth be told, you know,
Speaker 3: I dealt with that. I dealt with the personal ramifications
Speaker 3: of that choice to do it on that platform. Why,
Speaker 3: because so many black girls and boys are stigmatized by
Speaker 3: the fact that they are fatherless in this country.
Speaker 2: Okay, And as.
Speaker 3: Somebody who some look at as aspirational, successful, a bit
Speaker 3: the American dream, a bit of our ancestor dream, I
Speaker 3: feel privileged in my position to destigmatize that, To destigmatize
Speaker 3: is nothing wrong with you just because he chose not
Speaker 3: to be around or you don't know and you have
Speaker 3: no relationship with him.
Speaker 4: So that was the point of that.
Speaker 3: Nobody made space for that, really, Carlos, because they were
Speaker 3: too preoccupied in and out of the culture with the conflict,
Speaker 3: the racial conflict that was existing between myself and the
Speaker 3: veteran cast members.
Speaker 1: Yes, and that's my take. No, and your take is
Speaker 1: my take. And that's why I stopped watching the show.
Speaker 4: Me too, Me too. I stopped after on Black Chabbat,
Speaker 4: Oh my God.
Speaker 3: To this day, Carlos King, this is an exclusive to
Speaker 3: this day, I have never seen any episode past Black Shabak.
Speaker 2: Wow, I echoed that same sentiment.
Speaker 1: Listen, I watch reality TV, and I produce reality TV
Speaker 1: so that people within forty two minutes can just have
Speaker 1: fun and see the relatability of what.
Speaker 2: People are going through. Right.
Speaker 1: I watched the View every day, and when I watched
Speaker 1: the View, I learned about politics, policy, world events, and
Speaker 1: I get that in a way where I'm entertained by it.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I purposely am watching the
Speaker 1: View to understand the world. I don't watch the View
Speaker 1: to hear Sonny Hoston talk about her chickens or her farm, or.
Speaker 2: To hear Joy Behart and Steve because I don't care.
Speaker 1: I care about what you guys think about this war
Speaker 1: in Russia, and I care about what you think about
Speaker 1: world events.
Speaker 2: Right. So that's why for the longest time.
Speaker 1: I kept saying to myself, Ebany belongs on the view
Speaker 1: because when you speak, you hold the captive audience.
Speaker 2: And when you were under view the first.
Speaker 1: Time, yes, honey, because it takes a lot to get
Speaker 1: on the second time. When you were under view the
Speaker 1: first time, I tweeted and said, Wow, this is what
Speaker 1: she is meant to do with her life.
Speaker 2: This is her calling.
Speaker 1: Do you feel that your calling is to be on
Speaker 1: reality TV or to hold a seat, even if it's
Speaker 1: not the view, but to.
Speaker 2: Have a platform, a talk platform.
Speaker 1: Where you're able to discuss important matters of the world.
Speaker 3: My answer to that question is yes. The answer is yes,
Speaker 3: Carlos to both. Here's why I feel going back to
Speaker 3: God called that's that's you know, when you're from where
Speaker 3: we're from, called is a very particular thing.
Speaker 4: One is called to the pullpit, just as.
Speaker 3: We have been called to occupy the seats that we
Speaker 3: occupy in this business. And it's and we are doing
Speaker 3: the work of the culture in it. I know what
Speaker 3: I've already gone through in my career just to get
Speaker 3: to like, it's not an accident. When you're the first
Speaker 3: black woman they choose to put on the platform for
Speaker 3: what I now can say retroactively was a demolition of sorts.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: One of my favorite shows is with Chip and Joanna.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so you know what Chip's.
Speaker 3: Favorite day is of the of the arc of the
Speaker 3: episode demolition day. Yes, because before you can restructure the
Speaker 3: home of one's dreams, sometimes it's not enough to just
Speaker 3: move the furniture. Sometime you must demo the whole fucking
Speaker 3: thing and start over.
Speaker 1: Come on, Pastor Williams. So this is my prediction, and
Speaker 1: I want to hear your thoughts on it. I believe
Speaker 1: the reboot of Real housewatchs of New York City with
Speaker 1: the new cast, I'm going on record saying it's going
Speaker 1: to be you and other women. I believe that that
Speaker 1: show will go on Peacock, and I believe the legacy
Speaker 1: show with the Ogs would be on Bravo.
Speaker 2: And this is the reason why I'm saying that.
Speaker 1: I believe, based on the fact that the ratings for
Speaker 1: this past season of New York City wasn't the greatest,
Speaker 1: that Bravo is not going to take a chance of
Speaker 1: putting on the linear network a brand new cast hoping
Speaker 1: to captivate that same audience. So my belief just like
Speaker 1: what they did with Miami Housewives, which to me was
Speaker 1: a smart play. In Miami Housewives is tense across the board,
Speaker 1: fabulous show.
Speaker 4: Everyone loves.
Speaker 1: It's fantastic, I believe because they want to make sure
Speaker 1: the ratings are great. I believe the New York City
Speaker 1: Housewives Legacy or the ogs would be on Bravo, and
Speaker 1: I believe this new iteration i e.
Speaker 2: Reboots would be on.
Speaker 1: Peacock because what they have shown on Peacock is since
Speaker 1: Miami Housewives had some new faces, some familiar faces, the
Speaker 1: show still working was a hit, and I believe they
Speaker 1: would do that.
Speaker 2: With this reboot. Do you agree or disagree with me?
Speaker 4: Okay, I disagree.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you why I'm with you until we
Speaker 3: start talking about the ratings discrepancy. Because if you go
Speaker 3: like the ratings were the worst they've ever been Season thirteen, undisputed.
Speaker 3: But when you look at the numbers, and I'm you know,
Speaker 3: I'm a lawyer, I'm a fact based girl. When you
Speaker 3: look at the numbers, we were around averaging. I think
Speaker 3: I might be off here a little bit precision wise,
Speaker 3: but it was around eight twenty ish. Okay, they weren't
Speaker 3: marginally better season twelve. The reality is is the ratings
Speaker 3: of Ronie, along with a lot of the again older
Speaker 3: veteran shows.
Speaker 4: Have been going down. True so they were before season thirteen.
Speaker 3: The record low for Ronie ratings was guess what, season twelve,
Speaker 3: which was the you know also Legacy. That season had
Speaker 3: Ramona Duran Luan Sonia Tensley. So I don't know that
Speaker 3: my logic follows, okay that Bravo would assume that just
Speaker 3: because we put the old gang back together again that
Speaker 3: that means ratings goal because it didn't mean ratings golden
Speaker 3: season twelve.
Speaker 4: It just didn't mean that.
Speaker 3: I concur that the new iteration, the reboot, whoever's on
Speaker 3: it is high risk.
Speaker 4: We don't know who's going to watch that show.
Speaker 3: But I would offer you this, Carlos King, this is
Speaker 3: my business mind, taking my personal investment in, you know,
Speaker 3: wanting to be able to be apart. I a for
Speaker 3: the first time, and I'm going to tell you this
Speaker 3: season thirteen because somebody asked me this, did I want to.
Speaker 4: Be a housewife?
Speaker 3: I don't know that I really gave a damn about
Speaker 3: being a housewife, as much as I gave a whole
Speaker 3: lot of damns about being a important representation of black
Speaker 3: womanhood on a global iconic platform. That's what I wanted
Speaker 3: for season thirteen.
Speaker 4: Now a bitch is.
Speaker 3: Old, outside is open. I want to be a housewife.
Speaker 3: I can tell you that truth.
Speaker 2: I love you honesty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to be a housewife. Now.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of bought into the whimsicalness of that part
Speaker 3: of it now in a way that not to say.
Speaker 4: That my job here is done.
Speaker 3: You know, I represented the great black woman and now
Speaker 3: that part's over. I'm always going to be a great
Speaker 3: Black woman. That's who I am. That's what I'm called
Speaker 3: to do, honey, in all spaces.
Speaker 2: Amen.
Speaker 4: However, however, again, I want to have fun. I want to.
Speaker 4: I mean, I just want to. I want to look
Speaker 4: and I did give looks since season thirteen.
Speaker 1: All the Gucci dapper Don jacket. Mama, you were your confessionals, work.
Speaker 4: Work, Okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's not like I didn't have some of
Speaker 3: those aspects already on lock. But you're gonna get even
Speaker 3: much more of that. In another iteration of me and
Speaker 3: my crew, You're going to see my world. That's what
Speaker 3: season fourteen. If I am invited to that reboot would
Speaker 3: look like and I think this is important to Carlos
Speaker 3: just to this point we'll move on.
Speaker 4: Is that, oh business.
Speaker 3: Argument, If you are a Ronie watcher and you watch
Speaker 3: Ronie for the nostalgia of the ogs, likely you're gonna
Speaker 3: watch the reboot regardless of where it lives.
Speaker 4: I think, okay, right, right right.
Speaker 3: And if you're that person that's like, oh, I hate
Speaker 3: having a name, you're not gonna watch. That mindset is
Speaker 3: not watching a diverse reboot of Roney no matter who's
Speaker 3: on it, no matter who's on it, because they are
Speaker 3: not interested in that new New York. They're interested in
Speaker 3: the old guard, stuffy, particularly white version of New York.
Speaker 4: So that's like a zero to me.
Speaker 3: So then you've got the other viewer who likes the nostalgia,
Speaker 3: but it's like, that's not New York, you know, And
Speaker 3: that person is likely already in a relationship with me,
Speaker 3: probably had appreciation. They would be in that course of people,
Speaker 3: Carlos that had appreciation for me, the glipse of me
Speaker 3: they saw, the more or of me they saw and
Speaker 3: watch what Happens live. So if I'm you know, making
Speaker 3: sense of all of this, why wouldn't I continue the
Speaker 3: relationship that's already been established and consider building a fuller
Speaker 3: cast around a woman who's clearly at the center of
Speaker 3: media elite New York, of cultural integration and intersection, and
Speaker 3: is on the cusp of making massive life decisions concerning baby,
Speaker 3: man and money.
Speaker 4: It just makes sense to me.
Speaker 1: No, And that's I agree, one hundred percent. And that's
Speaker 1: the reason why I said you will be back, because
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, no, and listen.
Speaker 2: I create shows for a living.
Speaker 1: I for example, Love and Marriage DC is a new
Speaker 1: franchise from my highly successful Love and Marriage Huntsville. I
Speaker 1: knew if I was going to give the audience a
Speaker 1: brand new franchise, give them a familiar face.
Speaker 2: That's that's why I'm saying to you.
Speaker 1: If you're going to give me a brand new New York,
Speaker 1: you're going to give me a familiar face. And you
Speaker 1: are that familiar face. And I do believe you will
Speaker 1: get that. But let me ask you this. Have you
Speaker 1: submitted friends yet to them?
Speaker 4: We are you know? I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't tell you everything, Carl, but I will tell
Speaker 3: you only because Andy, you know, acts to me, you know,
Speaker 3: kind of smartly and understandably made a open plea to say, basically,
Speaker 3: any woman in New York, if you think that you
Speaker 3: have the curated cast of women that we want, this
Speaker 3: is represents your friend group.
Speaker 4: Come one, Come on. It was an alta call.
Speaker 3: Basically, we want to go back to that Andy. Andy
Speaker 3: did a full on altar call on you better believe.
Speaker 4: You better believe because I work. Yes, I am over
Speaker 4: here as we speak in and I'm in work mode.
Speaker 3: I am going through my actual to and I'm not
Speaker 3: going through Instagram. I'll tell you this part of my
Speaker 3: curation because Instagram is that's you know, that's one hundreds
Speaker 3: of women.
Speaker 4: I'm going through my text messages.
Speaker 3: I'm going through women because I actually am I keep
Speaker 3: a tight circle. I have lots of women I know
Speaker 3: in New York, lots of women. I appreciate New York carlows.
Speaker 3: But when it comes to you know who I'm actually
Speaker 3: gonna put a bra on for and go out my
Speaker 3: house with by choice, with no check attached.
Speaker 4: That's a small group of women. They just happen to
Speaker 4: be fantastic.
Speaker 3: Like obviously you saw the dinner, you know, the dinner
Speaker 3: with Bevy. You know when Bevy Smith calls, you go
Speaker 3: I didn't ask no questions. I didn't ask who's gonna
Speaker 3: be there? Doesn't it's Bevy's dinner, So you already know.
Speaker 3: The guest list is on lock. So that represents, you know,
Speaker 3: the social dynamics in which I am blessed to be
Speaker 3: a part of.
Speaker 2: Would you want but Shan back on the show? Listen?
Speaker 4: I you know, no cut cards.
Speaker 3: I don't personally have a relationship with Burshawn Shaw. But
Speaker 3: as I've said before and I'll say it again, I
Speaker 3: think Shaw is a woman who has a lot to offer.
Speaker 3: I actually interviewed Brehon in my capacity as a journalist
Speaker 3: for own like back when her previous reality show.
Speaker 4: Was on air, Love in the City.
Speaker 2: I believe correct.
Speaker 4: So I I have no wish but positive.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I told brashon the last time
Speaker 3: we had any direct communication, which was a long time ago.
Speaker 3: I wish Byshon first and foremost health, prosperity, and happiness.
Speaker 3: And if that for her is this platform, godspeed.
Speaker 2: You two are friends though no, we've.
Speaker 3: Never and we've never been friends. That's the thing. So
Speaker 3: it's not messy. It's not it's not that we were
Speaker 3: we were cast.
Speaker 4: The cat's out the bag.
Speaker 2: Now you know weren't friends? You and Leah were were
Speaker 2: not And.
Speaker 4: Guess who else was a friends where Shan and Ramona
Speaker 4: were not friend?
Speaker 1: I know that girl, okay, And I know ban and
Speaker 1: and and I know the game I try, I see.
Speaker 2: I saw all of that as a way.
Speaker 4: But that's why that didn't work.
Speaker 3: But you know what I mean that that whole like,
Speaker 3: we're going to take this cast from season twelve and
Speaker 3: we're gonna identify two exception and I'll give absolutely not
Speaker 3: even having to be friends with the Brashon is an
Speaker 3: exceptional black woman.
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course absolutely.
Speaker 3: So what they did was they identified two exceptional black women,
Speaker 3: which don't get me started. You know, this is the
Speaker 3: narrative that happens in America where black women have to
Speaker 3: be what what are we seeing with the Supreme Court
Speaker 3: have to be?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 4: Overqualified the two.
Speaker 3: Most educated people all that appeared on your screens last
Speaker 3: season for Real Housewives of New York for myself with
Speaker 3: a doctorate and Brayshawn with her master's degree from Syracuse.
Speaker 3: Baby don't play with us, Okay, So when it comes
Speaker 3: to credential and qualifications, we were overqualified to be amongst
Speaker 3: those particular women.
Speaker 2: I could not agree more, you know.
Speaker 3: And that's why it was a lot of tension and
Speaker 3: power dynamics, you know. And Brashana and I did when
Speaker 3: we were filming have this conversation which is like, it's
Speaker 3: rather odd that we are kind of being asked to
Speaker 3: a little bit kiss the ring and you know, kind
Speaker 3: of sing for our supper and be invited apart.
Speaker 4: Bitch, you know, are you kidding me?
Speaker 3: When from our respective worlds because Breshonna and I don't
Speaker 3: really necessarily.
Speaker 1: Social or you you two are from two different generations total, to.
Speaker 3: Two different generations and two different social service. Absolutely, there's
Speaker 3: some over there's some overlap, but but.
Speaker 1: Different because the Black community in New York City is
Speaker 1: is kind of small, so I can see the overlap.
Speaker 1: But and I'm saying there's no I know, but I've
Speaker 1: no but Sean for a few years. And I know
Speaker 1: you've heard it. See Obviously, Dustin Ross is a friend
Speaker 1: of mine, you know what I mean. And so many
Speaker 1: people love you, so you know.
Speaker 4: We live in different worlds. We live in different.
Speaker 2: Worlds, way different worlds.
Speaker 3: However, as different as our worlds are, the thing that
Speaker 3: our worlds share is an appreciation for certain what I
Speaker 3: call Carlos cultural currencies, societal currencies by way of aesthetic education,
Speaker 3: class and demeanor.
Speaker 4: You know, like there's a so you know, and that's
Speaker 4: really what.
Speaker 3: Housewives is supposed to be about. I don't have to
Speaker 3: tell you you grated the blueprint. It really should be
Speaker 3: an interesting observation of the interplay of women, all kind
Speaker 3: of clamoring slash negotiating. Whose social order matters most, Who's
Speaker 3: the prettiest, the richest, the you know, best husband, cutest,
Speaker 3: fucking kids, kids doing the best in school, that kind
Speaker 3: of shit.
Speaker 2: I just had a.
Speaker 1: Let's go and guess what my production company should should
Speaker 1: produce the reboot of Real Housewives in New York City
Speaker 1: because you need somebody who understands the assignment. Who made
Speaker 1: Atlanta Housewives the jugger not that it is? And I
Speaker 1: know how to produce a diverse cast. I did Jersey,
Speaker 1: I did Atlanta.
Speaker 4: Will you worked with Dorothy on Jersey?
Speaker 2: Did you work with oh? W came after me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did the first two seasons of Jersey, which
Speaker 1: are the best, so I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But certainly iconic. Yeah, I mean, I concur.
Speaker 1: I'm saying because the production company who produces Real House
Speaker 1: was New York City. They've been producing that show since
Speaker 1: season one, and I feel like they understand the old
Speaker 1: guard of that show and for this let, for this
Speaker 1: new iteration of New York City, you need somebody younger, fresher,
Speaker 1: and who's able to work with Ebany K. Williams and
Speaker 1: her friends to really make that show pop. So I
Speaker 1: think you and I together will make a great team.
Speaker 1: And I'm putting my bid in. I Carlos King, would
Speaker 1: love to produce Real House Spots in New York City reboot.
Speaker 1: And I never thought about that until now, untilment, until
Speaker 1: this very moment. So when people ask me to go
Speaker 1: back to Atlanta Housewives, and I said, all the time,
Speaker 1: I've done it, I excelled.
Speaker 2: I left on a high. I'm good in the hood.
Speaker 1: But if you want my company to produce it, we
Speaker 1: can have a conversation. Because you never turned down a meeting.
Speaker 1: I am now on record art I left the Housewice
Speaker 1: franchise six years ago. I am going on record saying
Speaker 1: I would love to produce the reboot of New York City.
Speaker 4: Well, I you know I can't say anything on record
Speaker 4: about that.
Speaker 3: However, I can say this what I think will be
Speaker 3: required of the production of the new reboot, whoever they
Speaker 3: decide to go with, is a visceral, organic understanding of
Speaker 3: the full value socially and culturally of the women on
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 4: And that takes You can't teach that now you have.
Speaker 3: That's a particular lived experience, Carlos king right, that understands
Speaker 3: innately when a Candy Carter walks in the room, what
Speaker 3: that means. When it Desiree Rogers walks in a room,
Speaker 3: what does that mean? Certain women in the Latina community
Speaker 3: when they walk in a room, what does it mean if.
Speaker 4: It's Andrew Martinez, if it's this woman from Washington. You
Speaker 4: see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I know what you're understand the full scope of basically who.
Speaker 4: The fuck that is.
Speaker 3: And that's going back to season thirteen. That was part
Speaker 3: of the problem.
Speaker 4: And see this is you talk about, you know, delusions
Speaker 4: of grandeur.
Speaker 3: Not delusions, just I know who I am, and I know.
Speaker 4: Whose I am.
Speaker 3: And part of the problem with my castmates they never
Speaker 3: knew who I was, Carlos.
Speaker 2: But they know now.
Speaker 1: So for this new reboot, because I'm like I said,
Speaker 1: you're going to be on it, I would love to
Speaker 1: see your mom.
Speaker 2: Are you dating anybody?
Speaker 1: Because I want to see you with the man, Honey,
Speaker 1: I want to see you with the man dating or
Speaker 1: are you in a relationship?
Speaker 3: Okay, I am currently actively dating in New York. I
Speaker 3: actually hired a matchmaker, which is something that I would
Speaker 3: love to really talk to women about, especially Black women
Speaker 3: and women of color. I have now hired some one
Speaker 3: affirm to support my journey to love and marriage and
Speaker 3: it's a very interesting process that I knew nothing about
Speaker 3: before this experience. It was quite a pretty penny, but
Speaker 3: it has it's been worth it for me.
Speaker 1: So I hope you guys loved the conversation that I
Speaker 1: had with Ebony K Williams as much as I did,
Speaker 1: because look, your boy went in to this interview thinking
Speaker 1: one thing, and I left this conversation having a new
Speaker 1: found love, admiration, and respect for Ebanie. I must say
Speaker 1: I really did. And the beauty of our conversation is
Speaker 1: the fact that I now believe she really would make
Speaker 1: a great reality star.
Speaker 2: Ain't that something?
Speaker 1: But look, that's why it's important for me to have
Speaker 1: these conversations on my podcast because I believe and know
Speaker 1: that the conversations that I'm having with the reality stars
Speaker 1: and reality star lovers is an opportunity for all of
Speaker 1: us to get to know these women and these men
Speaker 1: on a level that we.
Speaker 2: Once never understood.
Speaker 1: And this conversation that I just had with Ebanie K Williams,
Speaker 1: I literally had what Oprah Winfrey calls a AHA moment,
Speaker 1: and I realized how she was never given a fair
Speaker 1: chance to be a housewife because of this unspoken agenda
Speaker 1: that was placed on her.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, honestly, y'all, I'm still in awe of
Speaker 1: that conversation. And trust me when I say this will
Speaker 1: not be the last we see of Ebony a reality
Speaker 1: TV and specifically on the Real Housewives friend cous In
Speaker 1: my opinion, I think Bravo would be at a loss
Speaker 1: if they did not bring Ebony back to the reboot
Speaker 1: of The Real Housewats of New York City, because I
Speaker 1: definitely think there's more to her that we haven't seen yet.
Speaker 1: Make sure you watch her on CBS's Beyond the Edge
Speaker 1: and follow her on Instagram and Twitter at Ebony K Williams.
Speaker 1: If you have a question for me or any of
Speaker 1: your favorite reality TV personalities like Ebony, leave a voicemail
Speaker 1: at three one oh five ninety three eight one eight
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