WEBVTT - RHONY: Eboni and Ivory 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:05.720 Welcome to Reality with the King. I'm Carlos King, the 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:09.200 King of Reality TV. For those of you who don't 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:11.640 know me, let me give you a little backstory about 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:15.760 why everyone calls me the King of reality TV. I 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:19.920 have been producing high profile TV for over ten years 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:23.400 and not responsible for some of the most unforgettable moments 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:27.560 in reality TV history, like the Real Housewives of Atlanta 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:32.360 seasons one through four and six through nine, and the 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:35.839 first two seasons of the Real Housewives of New Jersey. 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:39.800 I was the magician behind those marvelous women. Honey, Yes, 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:45.280 so look Teresa's table flip. Yeah, honey, your boy was 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:49.080 there hiding underneath the table, making sure that book was 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:52.040 on display. I have done spin offs with the Real 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:57.040 Housewives franchise like Candy's Wedding and Candy Ski Trip, while 0:00:57.080 --> 0:01:01.120 also building an empire of my own. I now run 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:05.000 my own production company called Kingdom Rank Entertainment, where I 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:09.520 created shows like Stelling, Hollywood BT Presents, Beyond Core, and 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:13.840 Hollywood Divas. And I just launched a new franchise, Love 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:17.200 and Marriage. That's right, Love and Marriage is coming to 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:23.600 DC with none other than Missus Monique, Samuel's. 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:26.160 Gag buddy yes, I mean get it too. 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:30.920 My resume, As Beyonce said, check my credentials. I give 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:34.679 you everything you want and everything you need. Come on, 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:37.960 be so here on Reality with the King. You guys 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:43.520 are getting an established reality TV producer to discuss all 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:47.600 things reality television. We'll sit down with my friends across 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:53.360 the entertainment industry, recap our favorite shows, and revisit unforgettable 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:57.360 moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. Me. 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:00.000 Hey, y'all so lucky. 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:03.440 My first guest on Reality with the King is none 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:09.360 other than be Honey, Miss Ebanie K Williams. Her announcement 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:12.520 as the first black housewife of the Real Housewives of 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:16.960 New York City immediately took social media by storm, and 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:22.560 we were all so excited for her reality TV debut. Unfortunately, 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:25.440 her patrol on the show ruffled a few feathers. 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.119 A couple of those feathers from mind child. 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:32.520 With the cast and for those watching at home, and 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:36.040 for that very reason, I knew I needed to sit 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:39.120 down with Ebanie not only to get her take on 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:44.600 Bravo's unprecedented decision to split the Real Housewives of New 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:48.400 York City into two shows, but also to get the 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:52.800 chance to get to know Ebanie for ourselves. Now, let's 0:02:52.840 --> 0:03:01.040 get into my conversation with miss Ebanie k williams Andy 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:05.640 Cohen announced that The Real Housewives of New York City 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:11.840 was going to be split into two shows, one called 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:16.360 at you know, working title, but one called The Real 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:20.360 Housewives of New York City Legacy or the Ogs, which 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.359 is about, of course, the familiar faces of the franchise, 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:28.080 and the other one is going to be called The 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:31.760 Real Housewives of New York City, except this one, and 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:36.800 I quote, will be a multi cultural. 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:38.520 Caz of real friends. 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:44.400 Ebany, When you first learned of this information, where were you? 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:45.400 What happened? 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:48.520 And did you find out? Along with us peasants? I 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:49.800 e the audience. 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:52.720 So I was right here in this Airbnb and I 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:55.200 was working, and I got it. I did get an 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:59.920 advanced call from production to let me know the details. 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:02.160 How much in advanced though, girl. 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:05.240 You know, I can't say, okay, I can't say, I 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:06.400 can't say was. 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:08.800 It was it hours before it was. 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:12.360 Enough for me to not be shocked when when the 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:17.760 general populace found out, I was informed, and I was 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:21.680 in my feelings for about two seconds only because you know, 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:27.280 I feel very strongly that I did everything in my power, 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:30.800 everything I knew, to do everything I could do to 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:36.640 show up full throttle as my inaugural season as a housewife. 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.919 I feel very strongly that several of the aspects of 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.800 the traditional housewife experience, which you know all too well 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:45.360 because you helped curate the shit. 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:49.280 Were absent from my season. We're in a lockdown. 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:51.440 It's New York, so it's not the same as a 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.760 lockdown in other parts of the country. It was no dice, 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:59.480 there was no international trip, there was no glamour, there 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:01.800 was no glitter. So it just was lacking of the 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:06.120 fun that housewives is known for. So I was looking 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:09.760 forward to coming back season fourteen, no questions asked, to 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.279 have that real like almost like a duo, you know. 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:14.839 I was looking forward to that experience. So when I 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:19.040 got the call that that's not happening, we're starting from 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:23.640 the ground up and essentially, you, just like every other 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:26.640 bitch in New York, will have the same opportunity to 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:31.520 present a coalition of your actual social circle that represents 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:35.280 the diversity of New York's it women, and we'll go 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:39.560 from there. So essentially, you know, it's starting over from 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.320 the ground up. So I did feel a way about 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:45.720 that emotionally for about two seconds, and then I put 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:48.600 my big girl panties on Carlos and I said, this 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:51.880 is actually more than fair to me from a network perspective, 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:56.560 and frankly just from a consumer of content perspective. The 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:01.240 audience deserves to see what has always made Housewives successful, 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:03.719 which is not a. 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:07.480 Plug and play, you know, pasting situation. 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:12.040 It is a curation of an existing friend group of 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:18.240 women of different personalities, different dynamics, different aspects coming together 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:23.520 and living that out loud for television. That's Housewives, not 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:26.200 what it had become in New York, which was listen. 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:28.479 It was that in the beginning, and then they realized 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:32.799 that's a flight to the city of New York because 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:37.240 it's so white and a particular kind of white that 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:40.080 really excludes the vast majority of New Yorkers and women 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:41.599 in New York. And I only know that to be 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.240 true now, Carlos, more than I did before I was 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:46.560 on the show, because I was getting women of all coaches. 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:48.400 I was getting blonde, white women, I was getting Middle 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:51.080 East of women, I was getting Muslim women, Jewish women, 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:55.840 Caribbean women, Haitian women, saying it was so nice for 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.599 them to see me on season thirteen because they felt 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:02.200 finally a woman they could relate to, and again including 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:04.920 some white women, but these were white women that were 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:09.920 frankly working attorneys, dentists, dermatologists, you know. 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:12.320 So anyways, that's that was. 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:14.800 Really My initial take was like Dan, basically, I have 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:16.960 to audition for my job again. 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:18.800 I have to start over. 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.960 Yeah, that's how I took it too, And that's facts. 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:24.520 Yeah, I took it that way too. 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:26.720 And as somebody like you said, who's been a part 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.960 of the Real Housewives orbit for many many years, doing 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:34.320 Atlanta and all black casts with one white woman, Kim Zosiak, 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:38.520 and then doing New Jersey with an all white cast, 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.640 When I saw this announcement, I'm gonna be honest with you, 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:47.200 I was taken aback because I think a lot of 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:51.440 people who look like you, and I felt that, Okay, 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:53.320 does this mean that? 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:55.640 And I'm going to be very honest. 0:07:56.160 --> 0:08:00.080 I felt that, Wow, did Ebany shake the table so 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:09.600 much that she single handedly raised the flag to a 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:15.400 show that did not represent the diversity that we all 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:20.520 know New York has become. And because people I e 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:24.120 the audience have said Ebony ruined the show. Not just 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:26.600 white folks, some black folks feel the same way to Ebony. 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:30.360 We can't fire Ebony because she is the first black 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.440 housewife of New York City. So we can't get rid 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:34.600 of her because we know that she has no connection 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:38.600 to these girls. And anybody who believes you and Leah 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:40.760 in real life with be friends needs to go back 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:41.560 to grade school. 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:43.600 But we'll talk about that later as well. 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:48.560 So instead of causing Black Twitter to set this shit 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:52.640 on fire, let's create two separate shows to where we 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.040 get to keep black folks happy that we're going to 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:59.840 create a multi cultural, diverse show, and then we're going 0:08:59.920 --> 0:09:04.360 to say Ramona's job by making sure the face of 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:08.800 New York City now that Bethany is gone. 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:09.079 We have to say Ramona's job. 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:13.560 So we're going to create a show to where the 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:17.080 white audience who loves New York and loves to see 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:22.160 old white women get drunk and have no storyline, We're going. 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:23.880 To satisfy that audience. 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:28.200 That's how I took it, and I felt that if 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.520 it wasn't for Ebony being on the show, this would 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:32.319 have never happened. 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:37.319 Well, Okay, let's start with the last take. Probably probably right. 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:40.839 I think that would be disingenuous of me to sit 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:43.640 here in conversation with you, Carlos King, and act as 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:48.079 if this decision is not the result of getting to 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:52.040 a bridge too far to go with myself as the 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:55.360 first black woman on the show, and the women who 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:56.559 were on the show previously. 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:00.440 I feel like this is at it. 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:04.680 I feel I was more than willing the whole season, 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:09.800 and after we aired, and after we wrapped, and after 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.200 the decision to not have a reunion, I was always 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:17.240 willing to negotiate with my former castmates about what an 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:20.280 ensemble future could look like that included all of us, 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:22.640 always right up until the very end. 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:25.959 They were unwilling, is all I can tell you. 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:28.520 They were unwilling to come to the table and meet 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:32.280 me even halfway in that negotiation. And if you know 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.400 anything about business, you know anything about the art of 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:37.559 the deal, you can't. 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:40.320 Close that way. You can't close. 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:44.320 When parties involved in the negotiation are unwilling to give 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:47.800 even an inch. So I think that, more than anything, 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:50.800 is actually the reason, Carlos, that we are now getting 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:51.600 these two shows. 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:54.040 I think if there was a scenario. This is my. 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:57.839 Opinion, as Temera Judge would say. I haven't heard this. 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:00.400 From anybody at the highest levels of executive officer, but 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:01.959 this is how I read it. 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:05.560 If those same former castmates of mine had been willing 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:09.520 to enter into the negotiation of co existing and sharing 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:15.280 space with myself and additional women outside of their particular 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:18.960 New York World and bubble, you would have had a 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:23.760 season fourteen that was what everybody anticipated, a proper integration 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:25.280 of old School new School. 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:26.760 Because I do think and. 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.440 I actually agree, I don't know that you would push 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:31.559 back on the notion that it's a good thing if 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:36.160 you can preserve the nostalgia of a legendary franchise. 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:37.240 I agree with that. 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:41.200 What I don't What I don't agree with, though, is well. 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:41.880 Let me ask you this. 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:45.120 Outside of Sonya Morgan, did the rest of the cast 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:50.640 black value from continuing this conversation of trying to come 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:53.080 together and make the show work? 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:54.880 Were you black bald? 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:57.440 I was not black bald. Okay, let me let me 0:11:57.480 --> 0:11:57.920 tell you why. 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:00.200 I know that for fact, because if I had been 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:02.880 black bald, I would not have been on Watch What 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:06.079 Happens Live to promote my network television show that I'm 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.800 currently on right now at CBS Beyond the Edge. 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.320 So I wasn't black not black balled by the network, 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:15.520 black bald by the cast? Were you, I'm gonna be real, 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:21.400 Were you black balled by Luanne Ramona Leah in terms 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:24.040 of not being able to come to the table. 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:26.280 They were unwilling to. 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:28.320 Yes, if if you want to call it black bald, 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:31.280 I'm not gonna, you know, dispute the semantics of that, Carlos. 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:35.719 What I am telling you plainly, only Sonya Morgan. 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:37.760 Was willing to come to the table and negotiate a 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:41.199 future that involved me as a part of this ensemble. 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:44.600 Period dot, period dot, poor child. 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:48.320 Let me tell y'all something. This is just the beginning. 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:52.640 Stay tuned for more of my conversation with Ebony K. 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:53.719 Williams. 0:12:54.000 --> 0:13:04.280 Will be right back after some quick ads. This is 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.840 reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's get 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:11.600 back to my conversation with Ethony K. Williams and why 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:15.080 I'm glad she shook the table. Child on the Real 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:20.680 Housewives of New York franchise, Bethany Franco is the face 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:22.840 of the Real house Watchs of New York City. 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:26.120 She will never go back. She has made that very clear. 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:31.320 Ramona was the reason her and Kenya Moore were the 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:35.960 reason why Ultimus's Girls Trip was a fun show to watch. 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:42.839 Ramona is entertaining to watch without Ramona. I don't think 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:46.400 myself and any audience member wants to see Derenda Lumaine, 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:50.320 Kelly ben Simone, Jill Zarren and Sonya Morgan have a 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:54.120 key key without the Potstar. I believe she will be back. 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:56.560 That's my opinion. No one has told me that. I'm 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:59.160 just telling you based on my fifteen years in this business. 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:03.440 That's how I how I took it. And I'll say 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:07.440 this much about you. I appreciate that you shook the 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:10.960 table at the show because it needed to be shaken. 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:17.079 That show has not had a storyline in years, in years, 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:20.080 and I felt that as a viewer, we were robbed 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:23.800 of seeing the true essence of what caused the divorce 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:27.640 between Ramona and Mario and getting that insight we've never 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:30.800 saw it. I was very interested in seeing what happened 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:34.640 with Derinda and John and seeing how that relationship became 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:35.360 what it became. 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:38.359 They never have a storyline. 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:42.120 It truly is sex and the City, and that, to 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:46.160 me was the downfall of that franchise. And I appreciated 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:49.400 that you came on the show to show a different 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:53.880 side of New York City and storytelling when it comes 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:57.640 to your search for your father, your identity, the fact 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:00.400 that during COVID you broke up with your fia, I say, 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:02.680 because the brother wanted to spend time with his children. 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:07.560 But as I was watching it, I kept saying to myself, 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:10.480 does epane belong on this show? 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:12.280 Or do they belong on this show? 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:14.600 And I think that's but I think that's what Bravo 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:19.240 ultimately is telling us that they concluded that perhaps the 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:23.160 time is up for that energy to be at the 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:29.080 forefront of the flags one of the flagship original because 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:30.920 I mean, let's just call us Spade of Spadin. I 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:33.760 love Potomac. It's Potomac's my favorite franchise. Let me be 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:36.680 very clear. But when you talk about the kind of 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:42.360 crown jewels that established the global phenomenon of housewives, you're 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:46.720 talking about Atlanta, Orange County, and New York to an extent, 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:48.000 maybe Beverly. 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:49.240 Hills, that's what we're talking about. 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:51.520 I agree with that, right, Okay. 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.720 And then we all love the new iterations of Potomac 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:58.200 and Salt Lake City and all that jazz relatively still 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:00.960 new though. So when you're talking about out the really 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:06.320 reverenced opportunity to be an apple holder on Real Housewives 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:13.080 of New York City, there's a requirement there that story transparency, 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:19.120 culturally relevant, finger on the pulse, moving the needle, and 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:21.720 I to your point, as great as the third I 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:23.720 would say about ten of the thirteen. 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:28.080 Seasons, because it was only good when Bethany was on. 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:31.680 And I'm not a Bethany stand but I call, like 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:32.960 I said, she was the engine. 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:34.880 She activated the show. Absolutely. 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:36.360 Okay, that's a good. 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:42.520 Absolutely. Now, one thing I do have is a vocabulary now. 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:47.120 But she absolutely activated the show and she brought out 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:49.000 the best of the other women in terms of what 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:54.120 they offer. So going back to Bethany and why she's 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:58.000 so important and iconic is because she is what you 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:00.960 call a force multiplier. I got this term from an 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:04.719 NFL coach. A force multiplier is the type of individual 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:08.520 you can drop into any scenario and everyone around them 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:13.160 comes alive. Everyone around them offers something better, different, stronger, more. 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:15.000 Wait say that work, because my gay ass, when you 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:16.520 say sports I tune out. 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:20.200 A force multiplier, a force multiplier. 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:25.080 So, as a reality TV producer, what Ebony is spitting 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:28.919 right now is nothing but the facts. But as a 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:32.440 gay man, I never called it a force multiplier because 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:33.320 I don't know what that means. 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:34.560 It sounds like a I got it. 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:37.439 From an NFL coach. Yes, you know, you know I 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:38.040 have a resume. 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:41.199 I have a resume and it includes being also a 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:45.120 stint in sports casting. And during my stint in sports casting, 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:48.960 I had a prolific head coach of the NFL talk 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:52.200 to me about how there's a lot of difference. It's 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:54.560 called like a slot receiver. You know, you just plug 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:58.320 and play the plug and play types housewives all across 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:01.320 the board a peppered with plug and play tips. But 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:06.600 the Bethanies, the force multipliers, the I believe. 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:09.000 Kenya Moore's you better say it. 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:13.000 I believe you know. I believe Tamra Judge. I believe 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:17.320 there are certa Giselle Bryant and carry. 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:22.560 No one wants to admit that, and no Jiselle, so are. 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:25.240 Jazelle and I have no personal relationship with Jazelle. I 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:28.520 co hosted chat Room one time with the system had 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:30.280 it a nice time, but that's it. So this is 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:33.680 not that's my girl. I don't know Jazelle from very much, 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:37.560 but when it comes to her value on the platform, 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:40.400 Gazelle is a force multiplier. 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:43.359 Everyone around her comes better because of her. 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:45.680 One hundred percent. You don't, you don't. 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:48.520 And the thing about this force multiplier, what I always 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:51.119 called them was the queen bee and I always got 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:53.160 in trouble with that because some women are like, I'm 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:53.960 nobody's peasant. 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:55.800 I'm a queen. We're all queens. I'm a queen. 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:59.680 But I'm not gonna say force multiplier when I defined 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:05.640 the activators on each ensemble, because Ebanie K Williams, first 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:07.840 of all, I have to stop and say this. 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:11.760 I thought I knew you, baby, I did not. 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.720 But what I already know is most people don't really 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:17.720 know me, and I don't fault anyone. 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:18.720 I don't fault the public. 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:22.200 You know, there was such a limited aspect of who 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:26.640 I am demonstrated on season thirteen for a variety of reasons. 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:30.560 And so that's another reason why season fourteen is very 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:31.320 important to me. 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:33.720 I'm gonna be rial with you. 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:40.160 I watch you on season thirteen, right, and I was like, hmm, 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:44.119 is she trying too hard to represent the black woman 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:45.080 of New York City? 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:48.160 Or because I'm a producer, is someone. 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:53.200 Telling her that that's going to be her position? And 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:56.800 I thought that the focus was so much on you 0:19:57.040 --> 0:20:00.960 educating these white women on the black experience. It took 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:03.320 away from what I'm watching now because I was like, 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:04.920 Ebony's not a great housewife. 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:06.280 She just isn't. 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:08.680 And it was no shade to you. It was more 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:12.680 so like I know what a housewife brings. A housewife 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:18.119 is somebody that has a delusion of grander over the top. 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:22.080 I feel horrible for because if I feel this way 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:24.760 being the king of reality TV, I now know why 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:27.080 other people may have felt this way because I was like, 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:33.240 Ebony isn't a good housewife, but she's a great anchor 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:36.720 on stuff like the View because I. 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:37.720 Loved you on the View and we'll. 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:42.280 Get to that later after Right now, I have the 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:46.240 AHA moment because I have now realized and you don't 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:47.840 have to confirm or deny this, this. 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:49.600 Is me saying it. 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:54.720 I now understand you were put in a box to 0:20:54.920 --> 0:21:00.400 represent a movement so that other people could say, see, 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:06.399 we talked about it and we're on the path and 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:07.680 we're a part of the movement. 0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:11.520 So leave us alone. Pr people, leave us alone Black. 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:18.000 Twitter, instead of saying why can't we represent Ebanye K 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:21.480 Williams on this show the way we did with the 0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:23.520 Guarsell on Beverly Hills. 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:26.120 And I now realize in this aha. 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:32.120 Moment, you are never given a fair chance of showing 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:36.760 the authenticity of who you are because there was one 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:40.840 agenda that was placed on you. And the fuck the 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:46.320 part about it is you had the black community, the 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:50.119 pressures of the black community, on your shoulders, and that 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:54.040 is not fair to a woman who's walking into thirteen 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:55.520 years of an established show. 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:57.800 So I apologize to you. 0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:03.040 No apology needed. I receive everything that you offered with 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:06.000 full and open heart. Carlows, And I'll say this, I 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:09.280 went on The Breakfast Club shortly after season thirteen started airing, 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:11.840 and I was at that point in my I was 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:15.520 really hurt by some of the feedback that you echoed 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:19.960 from my people, the white feedback. Expect you know, honey, 0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:22.120 I was in Fox News for five years. I'm very 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:23.360 familiar with white angs. 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:24.560 Yes, you know. 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:31.480 Familiar, right if you've been around the block, aren't we all. 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:34.360 So you know, as I said then and I'll say 0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:37.120 it again, you know, I have successfully divorced myself from 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:41.240 white comfort and concerns of white approval. 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:42.720 Period died. 0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:47.600 When it comes to relationship and acceptance by my people, 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:50.960 my my black community and culture, it's very important to me. 0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:54.879 You know, I'm having to now as a grown woman 0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:57.360 who has had a year under her belt and actually 0:22:57.640 --> 0:23:00.199 a year of a season of a show. But if 0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:02.480 you talk about time, Carlos, you gotta remember, we were 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:06.120 filming that in like September of twenty twenty, so we're 0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:09.199 coming up on like almost almost two years, you know, 0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:12.160 come this fall the point of me being in the 0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:17.160