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Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King. I'm Carlos King, the

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Speaker 1: King of Reality TV. For those of you who don't

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Speaker 1: know me, let me give you a little backstory about

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Speaker 1: why everyone calls me the King of reality TV. I

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Speaker 1: have been producing high profile TV for over ten years

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Speaker 1: and not responsible for some of the most unforgettable moments

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Speaker 1: in reality TV history, like the Real Housewives of Atlanta

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Speaker 1: seasons one through four and six through nine, and the

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Speaker 1: first two seasons of the Real Housewives of New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: I was the magician behind those marvelous women. Honey, Yes,

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Speaker 1: so look Teresa's table flip. Yeah, honey, your boy was

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Speaker 1: there hiding underneath the table, making sure that book was

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Speaker 1: on display. I have done spin offs with the Real

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Speaker 1: Housewives franchise like Candy's Wedding and Candy Ski Trip, while

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Speaker 1: also building an empire of my own. I now run

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Speaker 1: my own production company called Kingdom Rank Entertainment, where I

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Speaker 1: created shows like Stelling, Hollywood BT Presents, Beyond Core, and

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Speaker 1: Hollywood Divas. And I just launched a new franchise, Love

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Speaker 1: and Marriage. That's right, Love and Marriage is coming to

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Speaker 1: DC with none other than Missus Monique, Samuel's.

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Speaker 2: Gag buddy yes, I mean get it too.

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Speaker 1: My resume, As Beyonce said, check my credentials. I give

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Speaker 1: you everything you want and everything you need. Come on,

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Speaker 1: be so here on Reality with the King. You guys

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Speaker 1: are getting an established reality TV producer to discuss all

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Speaker 1: things reality television. We'll sit down with my friends across

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Speaker 1: the entertainment industry, recap our favorite shows, and revisit unforgettable

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Speaker 1: moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. Me.

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Speaker 2: Hey, y'all so lucky.

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Speaker 1: My first guest on Reality with the King is none

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Speaker 1: other than be Honey, Miss Ebanie K Williams. Her announcement

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Speaker 1: as the first black housewife of the Real Housewives of

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Speaker 1: New York City immediately took social media by storm, and

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Speaker 1: we were all so excited for her reality TV debut. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: her patrol on the show ruffled a few feathers.

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Speaker 2: A couple of those feathers from mind child.

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Speaker 1: With the cast and for those watching at home, and

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Speaker 1: for that very reason, I knew I needed to sit

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Speaker 1: down with Ebanie not only to get her take on

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Speaker 1: Bravo's unprecedented decision to split the Real Housewives of New

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Speaker 1: York City into two shows, but also to get the

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Speaker 1: chance to get to know Ebanie for ourselves. Now, let's

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Speaker 1: get into my conversation with miss Ebanie k williams Andy

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Speaker 1: Cohen announced that The Real Housewives of New York City

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Speaker 1: was going to be split into two shows, one called

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Speaker 1: at you know, working title, but one called The Real

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Speaker 1: Housewives of New York City Legacy or the Ogs, which

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Speaker 1: is about, of course, the familiar faces of the franchise,

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Speaker 1: and the other one is going to be called The

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Speaker 1: Real Housewives of New York City, except this one, and

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Speaker 1: I quote, will be a multi cultural.

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Speaker 2: Caz of real friends.

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Speaker 1: Ebany, When you first learned of this information, where were you?

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Speaker 2: What happened?

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Speaker 1: And did you find out? Along with us peasants? I

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Speaker 1: e the audience.

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Speaker 3: So I was right here in this Airbnb and I

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Speaker 3: was working, and I got it. I did get an

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Speaker 3: advanced call from production to let me know the details.

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Speaker 2: How much in advanced though, girl.

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Speaker 3: You know, I can't say, okay, I can't say, I

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Speaker 3: can't say was.

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Speaker 2: It was it hours before it was.

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Speaker 3: Enough for me to not be shocked when when the

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Speaker 3: general populace found out, I was informed, and I was

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Speaker 3: in my feelings for about two seconds only because you know,

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Speaker 3: I feel very strongly that I did everything in my power,

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Speaker 3: everything I knew, to do everything I could do to

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Speaker 3: I feel very strongly that several of the aspects of

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Speaker 3: the traditional housewife experience, which you know all too well

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Speaker 3: because you helped curate the shit.

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Speaker 4: Were absent from my season. We're in a lockdown.

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Speaker 3: It's New York, so it's not the same as a

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Speaker 3: lockdown in other parts of the country. It was no dice,

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Speaker 3: there was no international trip, there was no glamour, there

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Speaker 3: I was looking forward to that experience. So when I

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Speaker 3: the ground up and essentially, you, just like every other

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Speaker 3: present a coalition of your actual social circle that represents

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Speaker 3: that emotionally for about two seconds, and then I put

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Speaker 3: my big girl panties on Carlos and I said, this

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Speaker 3: is actually more than fair to me from a network perspective,

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Speaker 3: and frankly just from a consumer of content perspective. The

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Speaker 3: audience deserves to see what has always made Housewives successful,

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Speaker 3: which is not a.

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Speaker 4: Plug and play, you know, pasting situation.

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Speaker 3: It is a curation of an existing friend group of

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Speaker 3: women of different personalities, different dynamics, different aspects coming together

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Speaker 3: and living that out loud for television. That's Housewives, not

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Speaker 3: what it had become in New York, which was listen.

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Speaker 3: It was that in the beginning, and then they realized

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Speaker 3: it's so white and a particular kind of white that

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Speaker 3: really excludes the vast majority of New Yorkers and women

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Speaker 3: in New York. And I only know that to be

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Speaker 3: true now, Carlos, more than I did before I was

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Speaker 3: on the show, because I was getting women of all coaches.

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Speaker 3: I was getting blonde, white women, I was getting Middle

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Speaker 3: Caribbean women, Haitian women, saying it was so nice for

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Speaker 3: them to see me on season thirteen because they felt

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Speaker 3: finally a woman they could relate to, and again including

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Speaker 3: some white women, but these were white women that were

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Speaker 3: frankly working attorneys, dentists, dermatologists, you know.

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Speaker 4: So anyways, that's that was.

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Speaker 3: Really My initial take was like Dan, basically, I have

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Speaker 3: to audition for my job again.

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Speaker 4: I have to start over.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how I took it too, And that's facts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I took it that way too.

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Speaker 1: And as somebody like you said, who's been a part

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Speaker 1: of the Real Housewives orbit for many many years, doing

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Speaker 1: When I saw this announcement, I'm gonna be honest with you,

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Speaker 1: I was taken aback because I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: people who look like you, and I felt that, Okay,

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Speaker 1: does this mean that?

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Speaker 2: And I'm going to be very honest.

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Speaker 1: I felt that, Wow, did Ebany shake the table so

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Speaker 1: much that she single handedly raised the flag to a

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Speaker 1: show that did not represent the diversity that we all

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Speaker 1: the audience have said Ebony ruined the show. Not just

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Speaker 1: white folks, some black folks feel the same way to Ebony.

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Speaker 1: We can't fire Ebony because she is the first black

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Speaker 1: housewife of New York City. So we can't get rid

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Speaker 1: of her because we know that she has no connection

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Speaker 1: to these girls. And anybody who believes you and Leah

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Speaker 1: in real life with be friends needs to go back

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Speaker 1: to grade school.

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Speaker 2: But we'll talk about that later as well.

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Speaker 1: So instead of causing Black Twitter to set this shit

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Speaker 1: on fire, let's create two separate shows to where we

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Speaker 1: get to keep black folks happy that we're going to

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Speaker 1: create a multi cultural, diverse show, and then we're going

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Speaker 1: to say Ramona's job by making sure the face of

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Speaker 2: We have to say Ramona's job.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to create a show to where the

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Speaker 1: white audience who loves New York and loves to see

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Speaker 1: old white women get drunk and have no storyline, We're going.

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Speaker 2: To satisfy that audience.

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Speaker 1: That's how I took it, and I felt that if

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Speaker 1: it wasn't for Ebony being on the show, this would

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Speaker 1: have never happened.

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Speaker 3: Well, Okay, let's start with the last take. Probably probably right.

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Speaker 3: I think that would be disingenuous of me to sit

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Speaker 3: here in conversation with you, Carlos King, and act as

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Speaker 3: if this decision is not the result of getting to

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Speaker 3: a bridge too far to go with myself as the

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Speaker 3: first black woman on the show, and the women who

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Speaker 3: were on the show previously.

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Speaker 4: I feel like this is at it.

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Speaker 3: I feel I was more than willing the whole season,

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Speaker 3: and after we aired, and after we wrapped, and after

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Speaker 3: the decision to not have a reunion, I was always

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Speaker 3: willing to negotiate with my former castmates about what an

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Speaker 3: always right up until the very end.

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Speaker 4: They were unwilling, is all I can tell you.

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Speaker 3: They were unwilling to come to the table and meet

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Speaker 3: me even halfway in that negotiation. And if you know

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Speaker 3: anything about business, you know anything about the art of

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Speaker 3: the deal, you can't.

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Speaker 4: Close that way. You can't close.

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Speaker 3: When parties involved in the negotiation are unwilling to give

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Speaker 3: is actually the reason, Carlos, that we are now getting

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Speaker 4: I think if there was a scenario. This is my.

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Speaker 3: Opinion, as Temera Judge would say. I haven't heard this.

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Speaker 4: From anybody at the highest levels of executive officer, but

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Speaker 4: this is how I read it.

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Speaker 3: If those same former castmates of mine had been willing

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Speaker 3: New York World and bubble, you would have had a

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Speaker 3: season fourteen that was what everybody anticipated, a proper integration

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Speaker 4: Because I do think and.

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Speaker 3: I actually agree, I don't know that you would push

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Speaker 3: back on the notion that it's a good thing if

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Speaker 3: you can preserve the nostalgia of a legendary franchise.

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Speaker 2: I agree with that.

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Speaker 1: What I don't What I don't agree with, though, is well.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this.

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Speaker 1: Outside of Sonya Morgan, did the rest of the cast

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Speaker 1: black value from continuing this conversation of trying to come

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Speaker 1: together and make the show work?

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Speaker 2: Were you black bald?

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Speaker 4: I was not black bald. Okay, let me let me

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Speaker 4: tell you why.

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Speaker 3: I know that for fact, because if I had been

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Speaker 3: black bald, I would not have been on Watch What

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Speaker 3: Happens Live to promote my network television show that I'm

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Speaker 3: currently on right now at CBS Beyond the Edge.

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Speaker 1: So I wasn't black not black balled by the network,

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Speaker 1: black bald by the cast? Were you, I'm gonna be real,

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Speaker 1: Were you black balled by Luanne Ramona Leah in terms

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Speaker 1: of not being able to come to the table.

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Speaker 4: They were unwilling to.

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Speaker 3: Yes, if if you want to call it black bald,

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna, you know, dispute the semantics of that, Carlos.

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Speaker 4: What I am telling you plainly, only Sonya Morgan.

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Speaker 3: Was willing to come to the table and negotiate a

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Speaker 3: future that involved me as a part of this ensemble.

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Speaker 4: Period dot, period dot, poor child.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell y'all something. This is just the beginning.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more of my conversation with Ebony K.

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Speaker 2: Williams.

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Speaker 1: Will be right back after some quick ads. This is

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Speaker 1: back to my conversation with Ethony K. Williams and why

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Speaker 1: I'm glad she shook the table. Child on the Real

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Speaker 2: She will never go back. She has made that very clear.

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Speaker 1: Ramona was the reason her and Kenya Moore were the

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Speaker 1: That's my opinion. No one has told me that. I'm

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Speaker 2: They never have a storyline.

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Speaker 1: to your search for your father, your identity, the fact

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Speaker 3: And I think that's but I think that's what Bravo

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Speaker 3: very clear. But when you talk about the kind of

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Speaker 4: Hills, that's what we're talking about.

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Speaker 3: of New York City, there's a requirement there that story transparency,

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Speaker 3: I to your point, as great as the third I

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Speaker 1: Seasons, because it was only good when Bethany was on.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not a Bethany stand but I call, like

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Speaker 1: I said, she was the engine.

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Speaker 4: She activated the show. Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely. Now, one thing I do have is a vocabulary now.

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Speaker 3: But she absolutely activated the show and she brought out

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Speaker 1: Wait say that work, because my gay ass, when you

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Speaker 4: A force multiplier, a force multiplier.

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Speaker 1: So, as a reality TV producer, what Ebony is spitting

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Speaker 4: From an NFL coach. Yes, you know, you know I

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Speaker 2: No one wants to admit that, and no Jiselle, so are.

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Speaker 3: Jazelle and I have no personal relationship with Jazelle. I

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Speaker 3: not that's my girl. I don't know Jazelle from very much,

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Speaker 4: Everyone around her comes better because of her.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. You don't, you don't.

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Speaker 1: And the thing about this force multiplier, what I always

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Speaker 2: I thought I knew you, baby, I did not.

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Speaker 3: But what I already know is most people don't really

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Speaker 1: I now understand you were put in a box to

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Speaker 2: And I now realize in this aha.

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Speaker 2: So I apologize to you.

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Speaker 3: No apology needed. I receive everything that you offered with

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Speaker 3: Familiar, right if you've been around the block, aren't we all.

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Speaker 3: When it comes to relationship and acceptance by my people,

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Speaker 3: when it comes to Okay, this is the press aspect, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I'm better able to navigate, so I don't take the

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Speaker 3: absolutely that are like you know what, Sis, I might

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Speaker 4: I see the intention, and I recognize that you're doing

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Speaker 3: You are not making, You're not doing when you say

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Speaker 3: cut yeah, no cut cards with these women. You know,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to go into a room and say, hey, ladies,

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Speaker 3: But when you show up in a posture of white fragility,

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Speaker 3: You're gonna get called up for it. And I say

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Speaker 1: When it comes to the real housewats of New York City,

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Speaker 1: I do believe you will be back. I believe that

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Speaker 1: I'm very spiritual, and my spirit is telling me you

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Speaker 1: that when you're Watch What Happens Live? And what was

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Speaker 3: I'm about to be thirty nine this year, but I

442
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 3: would be disingenuous.

443
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 4: I didn't say that.

444
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 3: Meant something to me, Carlos, because again, I am not

445
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 3: so bad ass, tough, veneered that love from my people

446
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 3: doesn't count to me. Now you know, I'm not gonna

447
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 3: get love about all the people, and that's okay. But

448
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 3: but what's important to me, and I'm so glad we're

449
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 3: having this conversation on your platform. I've had this conversation.

450
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 3: We're not this because you can't duplicate this, but but

451
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 3: I've spoken to this issue.

452
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 4: Let me say at that way.

453
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 3: I've spoken to the issue on other platforms, but none

454
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 3: with the impact and reach of what this conversation is

455
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 3: going to offer the culture, and so my people in

456
00:25:55,640 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 3: my community Carlos understanding the purity of my intention. Tension

457
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 3: was never to ruin your entertainment value of Ronie. It

458
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 3: was never to make the show about me. Actually, I'm

459
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 3: going to tell you this because I don't produce reality TV,

460
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 3: but I do produce content executive produce. Actually, okay, And

461
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 3: one thing about it is as a new, first year

462
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 3: talent on an ensemble, I don't think it really should

463
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 3: be centered around that individual because I think that when

464
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 3: you talk about, especially an audience who is so in

465
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 3: love with the nostalgia of a thirteen year franchise like Ronie,

466
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 3: it could kind of the power dynamic of that can

467
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 3: be uncomfortable for the audience. So it's like if I'm

468
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 3: tuning in year thirteen for Ramona, so that energy, But

469
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 3: you're giving me seventeen episodes that are predominantly featured around

470
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 3: this brand new woman who I'm not in a relationship

471
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 3: with yet because I'm just meeting her.

472
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 4: For the first time.

473
00:26:55,080 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 3: And the central conflict is around, as the always calls it,

474
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 3: the you know, the color line is the problem of

475
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,479
Speaker 3: our century, and as we go into the twenty first century,

476
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 3: it still is, you know, So you're making it about

477
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 3: the tensions of race in America. What did we think

478
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 3: was going to happen? What did we think was going

479
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 3: to happen? And like you said, Carlos, it wasn't as

480
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 3: if I didn't totally open my entire life up for

481
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,959
Speaker 3: the first time in front of those cameras. And you know,

482
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 3: anybody from production will tell you that it was nothing

483
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 3: was no stone left unturned understanding my you know, search

484
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 3: for my father. That was not an easy thing to

485
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 3: deal with with my mother, truth be told, you know,

486
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 3: I dealt with that. I dealt with the personal ramifications

487
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 3: of that choice to do it on that platform. Why,

488
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 3: because so many black girls and boys are stigmatized by

489
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 3: the fact that they are fatherless in this country.

490
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 2: Okay, And as.

491
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 3: Somebody who some look at as aspirational, successful, a bit

492
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 3: the American dream, a bit of our ancestor dream, I

493
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 3: feel privileged in my position to destigmatize that, To destigmatize

494
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 3: is nothing wrong with you just because he chose not

495
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 3: to be around or you don't know and you have

496
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 3: no relationship with him.

497
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 4: So that was the point of that.

498
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 3: Nobody made space for that, really, Carlos, because they were

499
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 3: too preoccupied in and out of the culture with the conflict,

500
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 3: the racial conflict that was existing between myself and the

501
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 3: veteran cast members.

502
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: Yes, and that's my take. No, and your take is

503
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: my take. And that's why I stopped watching the show.

504
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 4: Me too, Me too. I stopped after on Black Chabbat,

505
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 4: Oh my God.

506
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 3: To this day, Carlos King, this is an exclusive to

507
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 3: this day, I have never seen any episode past Black Shabak.

508
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: Wow, I echoed that same sentiment.

509
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: Listen, I watch reality TV, and I produce reality TV

510
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: so that people within forty two minutes can just have

511
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: fun and see the relatability of what.

512
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 2: People are going through. Right.

513
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: I watched the View every day, and when I watched

514
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: the View, I learned about politics, policy, world events, and

515
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: I get that in a way where I'm entertained by it.

516
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I purposely am watching the

517
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: View to understand the world. I don't watch the View

518
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: to hear Sonny Hoston talk about her chickens or her farm, or.

519
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: To hear Joy Behart and Steve because I don't care.

520
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: I care about what you guys think about this war

521
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: in Russia, and I care about what you think about

522
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: world events.

523
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 2: Right. So that's why for the longest time.

524
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: I kept saying to myself, Ebany belongs on the view

525
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: because when you speak, you hold the captive audience.

526
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 2: And when you were under view the first.

527
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: Time, yes, honey, because it takes a lot to get

528
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: on the second time. When you were under view the

529
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: first time, I tweeted and said, Wow, this is what

530
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: she is meant to do with her life.

531
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: This is her calling.

532
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: Do you feel that your calling is to be on

533
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: reality TV or to hold a seat, even if it's

534
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: not the view, but to.

535
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: Have a platform, a talk platform.

536
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,959
Speaker 1: Where you're able to discuss important matters of the world.

537
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 3: My answer to that question is yes. The answer is yes,

538
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 3: Carlos to both. Here's why I feel going back to

539
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 3: God called that's that's you know, when you're from where

540
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 3: we're from, called is a very particular thing.

541
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 4: One is called to the pullpit, just as.

542
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 3: We have been called to occupy the seats that we

543
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 3: occupy in this business. And it's and we are doing

544
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 3: the work of the culture in it. I know what

545
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 3: I've already gone through in my career just to get

546
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 3: to like, it's not an accident. When you're the first

547
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 3: black woman they choose to put on the platform for

548
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 3: what I now can say retroactively was a demolition of sorts.

549
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: Right.

550
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 4: One of my favorite shows is with Chip and Joanna.

551
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so you know what Chip's.

552
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 3: Favorite day is of the of the arc of the

553
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 3: episode demolition day. Yes, because before you can restructure the

554
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 3: home of one's dreams, sometimes it's not enough to just

555
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 3: move the furniture. Sometime you must demo the whole fucking

556
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 3: thing and start over.

557
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: Come on, Pastor Williams. So this is my prediction, and

558
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: I want to hear your thoughts on it. I believe

559
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: the reboot of Real housewatchs of New York City with

560
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: the new cast, I'm going on record saying it's going

561
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: to be you and other women. I believe that that

562
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: show will go on Peacock, and I believe the legacy

563
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: show with the Ogs would be on Bravo.

564
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 2: And this is the reason why I'm saying that.

565
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: I believe, based on the fact that the ratings for

566
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: this past season of New York City wasn't the greatest,

567
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: that Bravo is not going to take a chance of

568
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: putting on the linear network a brand new cast hoping

569
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: to captivate that same audience. So my belief just like

570
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: what they did with Miami Housewives, which to me was

571
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: a smart play. In Miami Housewives is tense across the board,

572
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: fabulous show.

573
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 4: Everyone loves.

574
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: It's fantastic, I believe because they want to make sure

575
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: the ratings are great. I believe the New York City

576
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,719
Speaker 1: Housewives Legacy or the ogs would be on Bravo, and

577
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,959
Speaker 1: I believe this new iteration i e.

578
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: Reboots would be on.

579
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: Peacock because what they have shown on Peacock is since

580
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: Miami Housewives had some new faces, some familiar faces, the

581
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: show still working was a hit, and I believe they

582
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: would do that.

583
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: With this reboot. Do you agree or disagree with me?

584
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 4: Okay, I disagree.

585
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you why I'm with you until we

586
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 3: start talking about the ratings discrepancy. Because if you go

587
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 3: like the ratings were the worst they've ever been Season thirteen, undisputed.

588
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 3: But when you look at the numbers, and I'm you know,

589
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 3: I'm a lawyer, I'm a fact based girl. When you

590
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 3: look at the numbers, we were around averaging. I think

591
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 3: I might be off here a little bit precision wise,

592
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 3: but it was around eight twenty ish. Okay, they weren't

593
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 3: marginally better season twelve. The reality is is the ratings

594
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 3: of Ronie, along with a lot of the again older

595
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 3: veteran shows.

596
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 4: Have been going down. True so they were before season thirteen.

597
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,479
Speaker 3: The record low for Ronie ratings was guess what, season twelve,

598
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 3: which was the you know also Legacy. That season had

599
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 3: Ramona Duran Luan Sonia Tensley. So I don't know that

600
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 3: my logic follows, okay that Bravo would assume that just

601
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 3: because we put the old gang back together again that

602
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 3: that means ratings goal because it didn't mean ratings golden

603
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 3: season twelve.

604
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 4: It just didn't mean that.

605
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 3: I concur that the new iteration, the reboot, whoever's on

606
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 3: it is high risk.

607
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 4: We don't know who's going to watch that show.

608
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 3: But I would offer you this, Carlos King, this is

609
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 3: my business mind, taking my personal investment in, you know,

610
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 3: wanting to be able to be apart. I a for

611
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 3: the first time, and I'm going to tell you this

612
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 3: season thirteen because somebody asked me this, did I want to.

613
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 4: Be a housewife?

614
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 3: I don't know that I really gave a damn about

615
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 3: being a housewife, as much as I gave a whole

616
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 3: lot of damns about being a important representation of black

617
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 3: womanhood on a global iconic platform. That's what I wanted

618
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 3: for season thirteen.

619
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 4: Now a bitch is.

620
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 3: Old, outside is open. I want to be a housewife.

621
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 3: I can tell you that truth.

622
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 2: I love you honesty.

623
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to be a housewife. Now.

624
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 3: I'm kind of bought into the whimsicalness of that part

625
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 3: of it now in a way that not to say.

626
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 4: That my job here is done.

627
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 3: You know, I represented the great black woman and now

628
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 3: that part's over. I'm always going to be a great

629
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 3: Black woman. That's who I am. That's what I'm called

630
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 3: to do, honey, in all spaces.

631
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 2: Amen.

632
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 4: However, however, again, I want to have fun. I want to.

633
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 4: I mean, I just want to. I want to look

634
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,760
Speaker 4: and I did give looks since season thirteen.

635
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: All the Gucci dapper Don jacket. Mama, you were your confessionals, work.

636
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 4: Work, Okay.

637
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's not like I didn't have some of

638
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: those aspects already on lock. But you're gonna get even

639
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 3: much more of that. In another iteration of me and

640
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 3: my crew, You're going to see my world. That's what

641
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 3: season fourteen. If I am invited to that reboot would

642
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 3: look like and I think this is important to Carlos

643
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 3: just to this point we'll move on.

644
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 4: Is that, oh business.

645
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 3: Argument, If you are a Ronie watcher and you watch

646
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 3: Ronie for the nostalgia of the ogs, likely you're gonna

647
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: watch the reboot regardless of where it lives.

648
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 4: I think, okay, right, right right.

649
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 3: And if you're that person that's like, oh, I hate

650
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 3: having a name, you're not gonna watch. That mindset is

651
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 3: not watching a diverse reboot of Roney no matter who's

652
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 3: on it, no matter who's on it, because they are

653
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 3: not interested in that new New York. They're interested in

654
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 3: the old guard, stuffy, particularly white version of New York.

655
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 4: So that's like a zero to me.

656
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 3: So then you've got the other viewer who likes the nostalgia,

657
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 3: but it's like, that's not New York, you know, And

658
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 3: that person is likely already in a relationship with me,

659
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 3: probably had appreciation. They would be in that course of people,

660
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 3: Carlos that had appreciation for me, the glipse of me

661
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 3: they saw, the more or of me they saw and

662
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 3: watch what Happens live. So if I'm you know, making

663
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 3: sense of all of this, why wouldn't I continue the

664
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 3: relationship that's already been established and consider building a fuller

665
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 3: cast around a woman who's clearly at the center of

666
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 3: media elite New York, of cultural integration and intersection, and

667
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 3: is on the cusp of making massive life decisions concerning baby,

668
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 3: man and money.

669
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 4: It just makes sense to me.

670
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: No, And that's I agree, one hundred percent. And that's

671
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: the reason why I said you will be back, because

672
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, no, and listen.

673
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: I create shows for a living.

674
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: I for example, Love and Marriage DC is a new

675
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: franchise from my highly successful Love and Marriage Huntsville. I

676
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: knew if I was going to give the audience a

677
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: brand new franchise, give them a familiar face.

678
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 2: That's that's why I'm saying to you.

679
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 1: If you're going to give me a brand new New York,

680
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: you're going to give me a familiar face. And you

681
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: are that familiar face. And I do believe you will

682
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: get that. But let me ask you this. Have you

683
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: submitted friends yet to them?

684
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 4: We are you know? I can't.

685
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 3: I can't tell you everything, Carl, but I will tell

686
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 3: you only because Andy, you know, acts to me, you know,

687
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 3: kind of smartly and understandably made a open plea to say, basically,

688
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 3: any woman in New York, if you think that you

689
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 3: have the curated cast of women that we want, this

690
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 3: is represents your friend group.

691
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 4: Come one, Come on. It was an alta call.

692
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 3: Basically, we want to go back to that Andy. Andy

693
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 3: did a full on altar call on you better believe.

694
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 4: You better believe because I work. Yes, I am over

695
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 4: here as we speak in and I'm in work mode.

696
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 3: I am going through my actual to and I'm not

697
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 3: going through Instagram. I'll tell you this part of my

698
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 3: curation because Instagram is that's you know, that's one hundreds

699
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 3: of women.

700
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 4: I'm going through my text messages.

701
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 3: I'm going through women because I actually am I keep

702
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 3: a tight circle. I have lots of women I know

703
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 3: in New York, lots of women. I appreciate New York carlows.

704
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 3: But when it comes to you know who I'm actually

705
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 3: gonna put a bra on for and go out my

706
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 3: house with by choice, with no check attached.

707
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 4: That's a small group of women. They just happen to

708
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 4: be fantastic.

709
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 3: Like obviously you saw the dinner, you know, the dinner

710
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 3: with Bevy. You know when Bevy Smith calls, you go

711
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,479
Speaker 3: I didn't ask no questions. I didn't ask who's gonna

712
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 3: be there? Doesn't it's Bevy's dinner, So you already know.

713
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 3: The guest list is on lock. So that represents, you know,

714
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 3: the social dynamics in which I am blessed to be

715
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 3: a part of.

716
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: Would you want but Shan back on the show? Listen?

717
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 4: I you know, no cut cards.

718
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 3: I don't personally have a relationship with Burshawn Shaw. But

719
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 3: as I've said before and I'll say it again, I

720
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 3: think Shaw is a woman who has a lot to offer.

721
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 3: I actually interviewed Brehon in my capacity as a journalist

722
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 3: for own like back when her previous reality show.

723
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 4: Was on air, Love in the City.

724
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: I believe correct.

725
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 4: So I I have no wish but positive.

726
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I told brashon the last time

727
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 3: we had any direct communication, which was a long time ago.

728
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 3: I wish Byshon first and foremost health, prosperity, and happiness.

729
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 3: And if that for her is this platform, godspeed.

730
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 2: You two are friends though no, we've.

731
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 3: Never and we've never been friends. That's the thing. So

732
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 3: it's not messy. It's not it's not that we were

733
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 3: we were cast.

734
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 4: The cat's out the bag.

735
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: Now you know weren't friends? You and Leah were were

736
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 2: not And.

737
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 4: Guess who else was a friends where Shan and Ramona

738
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 4: were not friend?

739
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: I know that girl, okay, And I know ban and

740
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: and and I know the game I try, I see.

741
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: I saw all of that as a way.

742
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 4: But that's why that didn't work.

743
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 3: But you know what I mean that that whole like,

744
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 3: we're going to take this cast from season twelve and

745
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: we're gonna identify two exception and I'll give absolutely not

746
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 3: even having to be friends with the Brashon is an

747
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 3: exceptional black woman.

748
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course absolutely.

749
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 3: So what they did was they identified two exceptional black women,

750
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 3: which don't get me started. You know, this is the

751
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 3: narrative that happens in America where black women have to

752
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 3: be what what are we seeing with the Supreme Court

753
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 3: have to be?

754
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: What?

755
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 4: Overqualified the two.

756
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 3: Most educated people all that appeared on your screens last

757
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 3: season for Real Housewives of New York for myself with

758
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 3: a doctorate and Brayshawn with her master's degree from Syracuse.

759
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 3: Baby don't play with us, Okay, So when it comes

760
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 3: to credential and qualifications, we were overqualified to be amongst

761
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 3: those particular women.

762
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 2: I could not agree more, you know.

763
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 3: And that's why it was a lot of tension and

764
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 3: power dynamics, you know. And Brashana and I did when

765
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 3: we were filming have this conversation which is like, it's

766
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 3: rather odd that we are kind of being asked to

767
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 3: a little bit kiss the ring and you know, kind

768
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 3: of sing for our supper and be invited apart.

769
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 4: Bitch, you know, are you kidding me?

770
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 3: When from our respective worlds because Breshonna and I don't

771
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 3: really necessarily.

772
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: Social or you you two are from two different generations total, to.

773
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 3: Two different generations and two different social service. Absolutely, there's

774
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 3: some over there's some overlap, but but.

775
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: Different because the Black community in New York City is

776
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 1: is kind of small, so I can see the overlap.

777
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: But and I'm saying there's no I know, but I've

778
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: no but Sean for a few years. And I know

779
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: you've heard it. See Obviously, Dustin Ross is a friend

780
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: of mine, you know what I mean. And so many

781
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: people love you, so you know.

782
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,919
Speaker 4: We live in different worlds. We live in different.

783
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: Worlds, way different worlds.

784
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 3: However, as different as our worlds are, the thing that

785
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 3: our worlds share is an appreciation for certain what I

786
00:42:51,160 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 3: call Carlos cultural currencies, societal currencies by way of aesthetic education,

787
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 3: class and demeanor.

788
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 4: You know, like there's a so you know, and that's

789
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 4: really what.

790
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 3: Housewives is supposed to be about. I don't have to

791
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 3: tell you you grated the blueprint. It really should be

792
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 3: an interesting observation of the interplay of women, all kind

793
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 3: of clamoring slash negotiating. Whose social order matters most, Who's

794
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 3: the prettiest, the richest, the you know, best husband, cutest,

795
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 3: fucking kids, kids doing the best in school, that kind

796
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 3: of shit.

797
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 2: I just had a.

798
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: Let's go and guess what my production company should should

799
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: produce the reboot of Real Housewives in New York City

800
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: because you need somebody who understands the assignment. Who made

801
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: Atlanta Housewives the jugger not that it is? And I

802
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: know how to produce a diverse cast. I did Jersey,

803
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: I did Atlanta.

804
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 4: Will you worked with Dorothy on Jersey?

805
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 2: Did you work with oh? W came after me?

806
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did the first two seasons of Jersey, which

807
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: are the best, so I'm saying.

808
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 4: But certainly iconic. Yeah, I mean, I concur.

809
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying because the production company who produces Real House

810
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: was New York City. They've been producing that show since

811
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: season one, and I feel like they understand the old

812
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: guard of that show and for this let, for this

813
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: new iteration of New York City, you need somebody younger, fresher,

814
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: and who's able to work with Ebany K. Williams and

815
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: her friends to really make that show pop. So I

816
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: think you and I together will make a great team.

817
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,479
Speaker 1: And I'm putting my bid in. I Carlos King, would

818
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: love to produce Real House Spots in New York City reboot.

819
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: And I never thought about that until now, untilment, until

820
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: this very moment. So when people ask me to go

821
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: back to Atlanta Housewives, and I said, all the time,

822
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: I've done it, I excelled.

823
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 2: I left on a high. I'm good in the hood.

824
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: But if you want my company to produce it, we

825
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: can have a conversation. Because you never turned down a meeting.

826
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: I am now on record art I left the Housewice

827
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: franchise six years ago. I am going on record saying

828
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: I would love to produce the reboot of New York City.

829
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 4: Well, I you know I can't say anything on record

830
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 4: about that.

831
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 3: However, I can say this what I think will be

832
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 3: required of the production of the new reboot, whoever they

833
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 3: decide to go with, is a visceral, organic understanding of

834
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 3: the full value socially and culturally of the women on

835
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 3: the show.

836
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 4: And that takes You can't teach that now you have.

837
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 3: That's a particular lived experience, Carlos king right, that understands

838
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 3: innately when a Candy Carter walks in the room, what

839
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 3: that means. When it Desiree Rogers walks in a room,

840
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 3: what does that mean? Certain women in the Latina community

841
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 3: when they walk in a room, what does it mean if.

842
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 4: It's Andrew Martinez, if it's this woman from Washington. You

843
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 4: see what I'm saying.

844
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 3: I know what you're understand the full scope of basically who.

845
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 4: The fuck that is.

846
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 3: And that's going back to season thirteen. That was part

847
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 3: of the problem.

848
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 4: And see this is you talk about, you know, delusions

849
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 4: of grandeur.

850
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 3: Not delusions, just I know who I am, and I know.

851
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 4: Whose I am.

852
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 3: And part of the problem with my castmates they never

853
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 3: knew who I was, Carlos.

854
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:33,919
Speaker 2: But they know now.

855
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: So for this new reboot, because I'm like I said,

856
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: you're going to be on it, I would love to

857
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 1: see your mom.

858
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 2: Are you dating anybody?

859
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: Because I want to see you with the man, Honey,

860
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: I want to see you with the man dating or

861
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: are you in a relationship?

862
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 3: Okay, I am currently actively dating in New York. I

863
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 3: actually hired a matchmaker, which is something that I would

864
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 3: love to really talk to women about, especially Black women

865
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 3: and women of color. I have now hired some one

866
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 3: affirm to support my journey to love and marriage and

867
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 3: it's a very interesting process that I knew nothing about

868
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 3: before this experience. It was quite a pretty penny, but

869
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 3: it has it's been worth it for me.

870
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: So I hope you guys loved the conversation that I

871
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: had with Ebony K Williams as much as I did,

872
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: because look, your boy went in to this interview thinking

873
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: one thing, and I left this conversation having a new

874
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: found love, admiration, and respect for Ebanie. I must say

875
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: I really did. And the beauty of our conversation is

876
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: the fact that I now believe she really would make

877
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: a great reality star.

878
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 2: Ain't that something?

879
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: But look, that's why it's important for me to have

880
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: these conversations on my podcast because I believe and know

881
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: that the conversations that I'm having with the reality stars

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Speaker 1: and reality star lovers is an opportunity for all of

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Speaker 1: us to get to know these women and these men

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Speaker 1: on a level that we.

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Speaker 2: Once never understood.

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Speaker 1: And this conversation that I just had with Ebanie K Williams,

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Speaker 1: I literally had what Oprah Winfrey calls a AHA moment,

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Speaker 1: and I realized how she was never given a fair

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Speaker 1: chance to be a housewife because of this unspoken agenda

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Speaker 1: that was placed on her.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, honestly, y'all, I'm still in awe of

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Speaker 1: that conversation. And trust me when I say this will

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Speaker 1: not be the last we see of Ebony a reality

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Speaker 1: TV and specifically on the Real Housewives friend cous In

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Speaker 1: my opinion, I think Bravo would be at a loss

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Speaker 1: if they did not bring Ebony back to the reboot

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Speaker 1: definitely think there's more to her that we haven't seen yet.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you watch her on CBS's Beyond the Edge

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Speaker 1: and follow her on Instagram and Twitter at Ebony K Williams.

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Speaker 1: If you have a question for me or any of

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Speaker 1: your favorite reality TV personalities like Ebony, leave a voicemail

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