WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Ready to Compete? 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:06.520 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:16.800 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys, Let's go. Are 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:19.680 you ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready for 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:24.840 a break? Absolutely? Ready for a break? Yeah, and so 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:28.720 much for that. It's time for The Break on Dallas 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:34.040 Cowboys dot Com Wall with Nick Eatman, Brian brought Us, 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:40.040 and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Welcome to the latest 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:42.479 edition of The Break. It is Thursday, December first, twenty 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.600 twenty two, season eighteen eight, episode number eighty one percent 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:48.400 by mill of lte. We are it is the only 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:51.680 beer of the Dallas Cowboys a day. We're talking Indianapolis 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:55.920 defense versus Dallas offense, and we'll get into that. I 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:58.680 don't know how much did you guys get through the 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:01.440 Indie offense versus Dallas Stephen's yesterday, I'll finish it off. 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:04.800 It took like thirty seconds, say like Jonathan Taylor's good. 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:07.000 So Amber didn't go down the list of all the 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:11.919 great yeah, Shell and all the great she had great notes. 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:14.520 I had that that that did she I just sent 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:16.560 over to you just like I don't like she's won 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:19.480 more awards than anybody in this room. That is fact. 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:22.840 That is a fact. She's done some of those stats 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:26.479 just a little bit, you know, after after Brian kind 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:27.880 of said the same thing like twice, it was like, 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:29.959 it's going to come down to the Cowboys offense more 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:31.800 than anything. And then once then we start talking about 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:34.759 Jeff Saturday. Yeah, I heard about that, you know what 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:37.760 that that thing with the Jeff Saturday I you know, Nick, 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:40.119 I appreciate let me bring it up, ear us talk 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:44.000 about it, because to me, that's listen, there's there's qualified 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:46.119 you know, men and women that do these jobs and 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.000 they don't do them well enough, you know. I mean, 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:49.880 then there's people that kind of figure it out and 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:53.560 manage people and you know, they kind of get everybody organized, 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:55.840 and you know, so I don't always feel like that 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:58.640 NFL people have the right. I worked in the league 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:01.200 thirteen years working in front offices. Nick covered a lot 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:02.480 of that. There were a lot of times when Nick 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:03.680 walked in there goes, do you know what the hell 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:06.920 you're doing? And and you know what, I looked at 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:08.400 him a couple of times and said, you know, you're right, 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:10.239 we really don't know what we're doing right now, do it? 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:12.600 And so, you know, That's the thing about it is 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:16.040 if you find all walks of life, it really is, 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:18.920 it's all walks of life. You find the most qualified people. Yeah, 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:22.720 but sometimes the most qualified people can't get the job done, 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:25.480 you know. And I think I think the Colts could 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:27.639 have won all three of these games that Jeff Saturday 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:30.320 has been head coaching if you go back and watch, 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:34.080 like I said, I went the Philly game, the Steeler game. 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:36.760 I mean, yeah, they mismanaged the Steeler game at the end. 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:39.320 But did they lose those games because he doesn't know 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:42.040 how to coach because he's never been a coach before. No, 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:44.440 I don't know. I think I think the Steeler game 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:47.520 hurt because he didn't have an idea. But there's Andy Reid, 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.079 My my buddy. Andy Reid is one of the most 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:54.560 successful coaches in NFL history. He blows game management situations 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:58.720 all the time. The great Bill Parcels had Ray Hanley, 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:01.519 who was a running backs coach back in the day 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:04.800 in the eighties. That was Ray was his clock management guy. 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:08.200 Bill Parcells knows how to finish out games, but he 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:11.080 had Ray Hanley there kind of saying, okay, coach, you 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.079 need to have two more you know, you'll need two 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:15.639 more first downs. You'll need this to happen. You'll need 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.040 this to happen, you know. I mean the great ones 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:21.200 do need help. And you know if these games are 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:23.240 hard to finish at the end, we all slipped there 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:26.240 and like, no, man, you gotta call time out here, 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:28.080 spike it here? No, what are you doing? I mean, 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:29.760 all we look, how about the game it ended in, 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.720 you know, the playoff game against San Francisco, you know here, 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:34.440 and you run the ball and you're trying to get 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:37.640 to the line to spike and you're like, why why'd 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:39.520 you do that? You know kind of a thing. So, 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:41.680 I mean it's it's hard. These games are hard to 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:43.560 manage at the end. I will say this on the 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:45.520 on the Jeff Saturday thing and Nick, you and I 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:50.720 had this conversation. Yes, yes, atle bit, No are you pro? 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.240 You're pro? Like HI are the most qualified? Yeah, but 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.240 but just hear me out on this because I do 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:57.600 think one of the points I made to Nick yesterday 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:01.520 was before Nick was promoted to director of Editorial, where 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.240 he is managing all of the written content and the 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:06.600 topics that we hit on a lot of our shows. 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:09.600 If before that happened. If there was somebody, let's say, 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:12.040 a contractor type person that we had in our building 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:14.680 who was coming in and just going on air doing 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:18.240 a video, right, and and we thought, man, this guy's 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:22.000 really good, he really understands the content all that kind 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:24.200 of stuff. We're going to promote him to director of 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.320 editorial and he's gonna be Nick's boss. And let's say 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:30.279 he had never written a single article in his life, right, 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.320 Nick would have some feelings about that, right, because all 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:35.600 these years Nick has been the person that's been from 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.080 the time Dallas Cowboys dot com. But you know, you 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:41.040 would not hide it well. From the time from the 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.479 time Dallas Cowboys dot com. He's been the one that's 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:46.360 been up late at night trying to figure out what 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:48.440 we're writing and what we're gonna put on the website. 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:50.560 And he's been putting in all the work. And then 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:52.880 all of a sudden, somebody that came in and did 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.160 a show for us that we thought was really good. 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:58.480 Now he just jumps into that seat. I think he 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:00.599 would have some feelings about that, right, He would feel 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:02.480 some kind of way about that. And by the way, 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:05.320 if you own a company, you have a right to 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:08.440 hire who you choose to hire. Sure, now that also 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:10.600 does that doesn't mean that we can't all have an 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:12.440 opinion about it. We can all have an opinion. We 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:14.720 can't change it. The owner gets to make the decision. Sure, well, 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:16.640 we can have an opinion about it. And my opinion 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:20.040 is that I do think there is something too the 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:23.920 person that that's been doing the work, all these coaches 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.520 that's been all those hours, all these years trying to 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:29.159 work up to that, that are currently on that Colt staff. 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:31.400 You can't tell me there's not at least one of 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:33.800 them that deserved an opportunity to get an eight week 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:37.320 try out. Right, Well, you had some coaches on that staff, 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:40.680 like Gus Bradley who did have an actual job. He 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.880 got to run Jacksonville. I think they were good for 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:47.200 one year of his tenure there. But to me, you know, 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:51.400 I mean, I respect what you're saying. I just don't 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:54.159 think like that you could say the most qualified gal 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:57.440 or guy get always go in there and get the 0:05:57.520 --> 0:05:59.480 job done, you know, And I think to have an 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.320 open mind find about maybe having a taking a different 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:05.320 path is kind of the best way to do things, 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.080 you know Itcause if you're saying Okay, because I said 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:11.039 this yesterday. You look at what urban Meyer did and 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:14.320 all his college stops. He was a program builder everywhere 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:20.160 he went, Bowling Green, Utah, Florida, Ohio State, all those places. 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:21.960 And I'm sitting there thinking, Man, I wish the Dallas 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:25.040 Cowboys would interview urban Meyer. I wish they would talk 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:27.840 to urban Meyer about this job, because I thought he 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:31.520 was the most qualified job guy for the job. In reality, 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:34.160 he was actually one of the worst NFL coaches we've 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:39.800 ever had. Like everything that you ever saw at Bowling Green, Utah, Florida, 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.039 and Ohio State, it was like it wasn't even the 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:45.280 same guy. So to me, I kind of understand if 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:47.680 you want to take a different path because sometimes the 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:51.080 most qualified people can't get the job done. Yeah, but 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:54.920 I think I think that's also I mean, that's saying, okay, 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:57.839 so in the instances where there's an exception to the rules, 0:06:57.880 --> 0:06:59.920 So you're saying in most I don't think in most 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.760 since the most qualified person can't do the job, like 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:04.280 I don't know, I'm not saying that, you know, but 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:07.400 I'm saying is that you to just always feel like 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:09.840 that the guy with the the gal with the best 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:12.520 resume is always going to get the job done. I 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:14.600 think that's I don't think that's the right way to 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.560 approve it. And that's not I don't think anybody's saying 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:19.800 the person with the best resume is going to get 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:21.760 the job done. It's saying the person with the best 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:24.520 resume has the best chance to get the job done 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:26.680 because they have done it, because they have put in 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:29.000 the work to get there. That's the point. And they've 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:32.080 earned the opportunity because of what they've done on that resume. 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:34.320 That's the point. And so when you don't do that, 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:36.960 what ends up happening is that's where you start getting 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.760 into the bigger conversation of well, if you're not really 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:42.920 promoting people who have done the work and have proven 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.840 that they had they deserve the right opportunity, then what 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:49.280 starts to happen is now that exclude certain people, and 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:53.040 certain people don't never get the opportunity because it's just 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:54.800 kind of a it's just kind of a i'll hire 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.440 my buddy kind of thing, and that never is a 0:07:57.480 --> 0:08:01.720 good thing in today's society. The problem, sure, but but look, 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.960 like I said before, the right of an owner and 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:07.600 the beauty of being able to own your own thing. 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.320 Is you get to make the call. Yeah, it doesn't 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:11.880 mean we don't get to have an opinion about it. 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:14.040 And that's just maybe he didn't feel like the owner 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:17.000 didn't feel like that anybody on that staff deserved that 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:20.200 opportunity to have a tryout, that that might be their 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:22.200 such and they might want to clean house completely when 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.800 this thing's all send up. Maybe maybe Jeff Saturday's here 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.440 is doing a favor for the owner. You know. Now 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:29.680 you get people to come up, call out and call 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:31.800 him out and say, well, he hired his drinking buddy 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.440 and all that. I think that's unfair. But you know, 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:36.280 the like you said, the owner has the right to 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:38.080 put in there he wants. Maybe I could say he's 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.880 evaluated his staff and he's looking at these guys. He goes, 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:43.760 none of these guys can teach lines the red meat, 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:46.000 you know that kind of thing. I mean, these guys 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:48.120 can't coach, you know, it goes, I don't. I don't 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:50.439 know why I have him here. And to me, I 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:53.800 I say, I don't have a problem with always thinking 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:55.920 that to me, always thinking that this is the most 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:59.240 qualified person I understand about. You know that maybe it 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.160 gives you the best chance, but that's not always guaranteed. 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:06.000 Oh nothing, that's I mean, But I'm more willing to say, 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:09.000 you know, let's try something different here, Let's not let's 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:11.319 not hire Urban Meyern and then all of a sudden 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:14.000 recks our franchise for the next three years. You know. 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:18.040 That's the things I would worry about. West say something, Um, 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:22.200 there's a couple of things. I mean, there's I thought 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:26.080 it was kind of um hypocritical of the whole the 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.760 whole situation. I think I talked about with you before. 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:31.640 It was that if if the head coach, Frank Reich 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.719 was such a problem, um, you know, so they got 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:37.880 rid of him, you know, then they bring in a 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.200 guy Jeff Saturday that obviously he's gonna need to lean 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:42.400 on the assistance. But if the assistance were so good 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:44.480 to help him, then why was Frank Reich the guy 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.040 that was the problem in the first place. So the 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:49.480 whole thing doesn't really add up that well. But you 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:51.720 also made a good point too, is like the whole situation, 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:54.640 they kind of can bypass what the rule is if 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.199 the interim coach, if you don't have to use the 0:09:57.280 --> 0:09:59.920 Rooney rule, to get an interim coach, and then when 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:02.360 you get an interim coach, you don't have to use 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:05.960 the Rooney rule again to promote him. Then you're bypassing 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:09.839 the situation. That seems that seems unfair to me, like 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.240 like there's a rule for a reason, and they've kind 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:15.120 of found a loophole to bypassing. Yeah, that's what they wanted. Well, 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:17.600 the point is it's it's the spirit of the rule 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:19.920 as well. The spirit of the rule is we're trying 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:23.760 to create an environment where everybody can get an equal opportunity, 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:28.200 and this kind of decision flies in the face of that. 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:32.200 That's the problem. And again, once again, as an owner, 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:34.319 you got a right to do what you choose to do. 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:38.040 I think the NFL has decided as a league something 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:40.680 like the Rooney rule is a good thing for business 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:43.719 because they want diversity in their coaching ranks. They think 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:45.319 it is a good thing. So if you really think 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:47.120 it is a good thing, and you think it is 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.160 something that you want to get to having diversity in 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:53.360 your coaching ranks, specifically the head coaching position, then you 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:56.079 need to abide by your own rule or at least 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:59.920 push for teams to do it as as frequently as 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:03.200 possible to make sure you achieve the objective of having 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:06.880 diversity in the coaching right. And this was not that situation. 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:08.960 It just that it didn't rise to the level of 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.320 what they're trying to achieve. I don't think or at 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:13.160 least what they're stating that they're trying to achieve is 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:16.920 that run that was not. But honestly, I think it's 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:18.680 a good conversation now, and I love the fact that 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:20.280 we can have conversations like, yeah, but we don't have 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:22.760 to always agree on everything. It's fine. I think it's 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:28.280 a very very difficult conversation because it can go either way. 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.640 On one hand, yes, you can agree on the process 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:35.160 of how things should be for in order for it 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:38.600 to create more opportunities to other people. On the other hand, 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:43.120 you can also argue, like in today's world, at the 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.200 same time, you have to abide by so many new 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:48.480 things and so many new rules, and then it leads 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:51.240 to maybe you're not possibly doing what you want to do, 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:53.280 like you know, if this is what I own, this 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.120 is mine, this is what I want to do, I 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:57.520 have the right to do so. But then again it 0:11:57.520 --> 0:11:59.400 goes back to the other thing. Well, at the same time, 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:03.000 you gotta you know, goal kind of because people there 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:05.080 are a lot of people that put in the work, 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:08.360 the sweat the hours and then never get a chance 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.760 to really get on to the top and show what 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.440 they can actually do. So I think it's a very 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:17.760 complicated topic that has many many layers to it, and 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:22.800 you could definitely argue and give an excuse to either side. Yeah, 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:25.400 and that's fair. I think it comes back to if 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:28.240 the NFL again, if the NFL is saying that our 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:32.839 stated goal is to create diversity, right, and these all 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:35.360 owners that have agreed this ruining rule is something that 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:38.199 we want to do. If that's what the goal is, 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:40.920 then you need to do it to be able to 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.520 get to the goal, right, And that's my thing. I Again, 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:45.360 owners have a right to do what they choose to do. 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:48.079 They have decided in this instance as a group, as 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:50.440 a league, that their stated goal is we want to 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:53.600 create diverse How big how much do you base on 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:58.439 people you hire on interviews? Who who? When you when 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:01.200 you interview people? For me? Yeah, how important is that? 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.400 That's a big part of it. It's not all of it. 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:05.800 And by the way, it's different kinds of interviews. Like 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:08.160 we we just went through a process where we were 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:12.920 hiring someone and we literally had I literally interviewed the 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:17.000 same person four times. Some of that was interviewing them 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.679 on the technical proficiency, sure, some of that was just 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:21.760 getting to know them as a person and getting to 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.679 know what they're kind of how their makeup is. Some 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:26.760 of that was getting them in front of other people 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:29.959 who are influential in our organization. Some of that was 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:31.880 getting them in front of people who they may be 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:35.720 working with and getting their opinions. So it's it's all 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:38.040 trying to figure out you know, you're trying to get 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:39.880 as many data points as you can, because let's also 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.319 be honest, when you're trying to hire somebody, you're only 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:44.559 getting the representative. You don't really get the real person. 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:46.719 You don't know the real person. That's kind of like dating, right, 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:48.480 You kind of have to figure it out as you go, 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.760 but you're you're having to make a definitive decision on 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:53.400 whether you're gonna hire them or not before you know. 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:55.559 If there's a big problem in this league that guys 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:59.480 and gals interview poorly, that's the problem. That's the problem 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:01.760 that guys and gals don't go into this into these 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.240 some of these jobs in the NFL and don't interview well. 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:07.199 And all of a sudden that you know people and 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:09.880 you sound like to me that and I've worked with 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:13.200 you before, so I understand this. You know you you 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.720 take the attention to detail to try and get through 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:19.120 the interview. A lot of times these front offices will 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:21.760 interview somebody and it's a one time kind of a thing, 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:24.360 or they'll look at like, oh, this guy told me 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:26.040 you need to hire this guy, or this guy you 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:29.160 need to hire this gal, and they interview them and 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:31.920 they don't come off as a very good interviewer, and 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:33.800 then you're all of a sudden, that's what's going on 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:37.400 right now in Kansas City with with Eric B. Enemy. Eric. 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:39.680 You talk to people around the league, they will tell 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:42.960 you Eric B Enemy does not interview well. You know now, 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.320 somebody's going to have to make a gut feeling on that, 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:48.080 a gut call and say, listen, I don't care about 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:51.080 the interview. I don't care any office can he coach 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.320 my team. That's where That's where because you you you 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:57.240 you just told me how how much detail you put 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:00.040 into it. Teams in the front office might not go 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:03.880 to the links that you're going to, but that's but 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:07.080 that's the way, that's that's the way this And my 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:09.640 only experience is working in the NFL and then working 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.200 in media. And I know when people when I hear 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:14.520 people like why does this guy not get a job? 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.680 Like Andy Reid wanted to keep Mike Kafka, who's the 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.240 offensive coordinator with the Giants, It wasn't he was trying 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:22.960 to get rid of Eric b Enemy. He was like, man, Eric, 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:24.960 I could get him. I need to get him a job. 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:26.080 I need to get him a job. I want to 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:28.600 keep this guy, but I want Eric to also be 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:32.200 a head coach somewhere, you know. And he doesn't interview well. 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:36.320 And now everybody's going like, oh, okay, well you know, well, 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:37.960 you know, why did he not have a job. Let's 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:39.640 bringing this full circle because of what kind of what 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:43.160 you were talking about giving somebody an opportunity to interview 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:46.920 on the fly. What if Dan Campbell did an interview? Well, 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:50.200 but Dan Campbell got an opportunity six seven years ago 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:52.960 as a tight ends coach to be the head coach, 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:55.560 and they did well, they performed well, and all of 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:57.960 a sudden, now he gets another chance, and now he's 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:01.680 coaching the Lions. Jason Garrett, I doubt he wouldn't interview well, 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:05.680 but he got the opportunity when when Wade Phillips was 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:08.280 fired to interview on the fly. And I think, you know, 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:11.280 when when you make that point of somebody, some even 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.800 if it's a linebacker's coach or whatever, a young guy, 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.560 give him that opportunity to interview on the fly. If 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.880 the enemy didn't interview well but got to take over 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:21.840 and they went six and two in eight game strikes, 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:24.440 it's like, well, maybe it doesn't interview well, but he 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:26.360 could get his team, you know. So I kind of 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.880 see that point too. I know we're all got different 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:31.880 opinions there, but but I know Dan Campbell got an 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:34.280 opportunity to do that on the fly, Garrett did. There's 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:36.080 a lot of coaches that have done and some good, 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:39.120 some bad. You know, no opportunities matter. And I think 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:42.120 that's really the crux of what all the criticism that 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:45.440 I've heard, it's really about opportunity. It's about was their 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.400 fair opportunity for everyone in this instance who could be 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:52.400 more qualified in this instance than just kind of hiring 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:55.600 somebody that you just kind of feel comfortable with, because 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:57.400 that's where you can get into a lot of issues 0:16:57.760 --> 0:16:59.720 that don't go to war, creating the right kind of 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.240 diverse city at you want. I remember I remember working 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:05.399 in Philadelphia and talking to Jeff Lurry and Joe Banner 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:08.520 about Andy Reid. I remember, I mean, like like it 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:11.119 was yesterday, and you know, and again, you know, you 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:13.440 talk about things this is what I know, a B, 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:15.760 C and D, and then all of a sudden he 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:18.720 comes in and he is prepared, he's ready to go. 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.240 He's got all the questions covered, he's got his staff, 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:24.560 he's got this, he's got all that stuff covered. And Joe, 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:27.560 Joe and Jeff Lurry, they they're like, and we gotta 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:30.280 hire this guy. Yeah, we gotta hire this guy, because again, 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.720 sometimes you only have that one shot. You know. Andy 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:36.399 was never an offensive coordinator or anything like that. And 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:38.560 you know, I mean he went from being like really 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.000 a position coach to be in a you know, to 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:43.520 be in a you know, an NFL head coach, and 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.720 sometimes you do. Sometimes you just have to be just 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:50.400 being prepared going in there. I think goes a long way. 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:52.920 And in these in some of these jobs, people lose 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:55.840 because they don't interview. Well, it's just it's it's it's 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:58.480 it's sad in that way. I am interested to see 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:01.119 how Jeff Jeff Sarry does on this because Nick, you 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:03.320 brought this point up to me yesterday. He's not the 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.560 first former player that's wanted to jump right into the 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:08.440 head coaching seat for an NFL team. We know of 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:10.640 some guys who've wanted to do that and they didn't 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:13.080 get that opportunity, but they've wanted to do that. And 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.119 I'll be interested because that could And it happens in 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:17.440 the NBA, where you got guys who are who are 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:20.280 former players that become head coaches and they don't go 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:22.680 through the ranks, they just jump into the head coaches seat. 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:24.959 I do think in basketball is probably a little bit different, 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.400 but I do think it happens a lot more over there. 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:30.880 It'll be interesting if Jeff Saturday is successful, we may 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:34.879 start to see more NFL players going directly from playing 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:37.680 right into the coaches seat and right into the head 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:40.840 coaches seat for NFL teams. And now so I think 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:43.440 for Jeff Saturday and for a lot of players who 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:46.440 want that kind of opportunity, this is a real big 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:49.360 moment for them, because if he has success, I guarantee 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:51.359 you in a league where they always are looking to 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:54.800 emulate what is working somewhere else, it will become a trend. Yeah, 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:57.480