1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys, Let's go. Are 3 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: you ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready for 4 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: a break? Absolutely? Ready for a break? Yeah, and so 5 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: much for that. It's time for The Break on Dallas 6 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com Wall with Nick Eatman, Brian brought Us, 7 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Welcome to the latest 8 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: edition of The Break. It is Thursday, December first, twenty 9 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: twenty two, season eighteen eight, episode number eighty one percent 10 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: by mill of lte. We are it is the only 11 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: beer of the Dallas Cowboys a day. We're talking Indianapolis 12 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: defense versus Dallas offense, and we'll get into that. I 13 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: don't know how much did you guys get through the 14 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: Indie offense versus Dallas Stephen's yesterday, I'll finish it off. 15 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: It took like thirty seconds, say like Jonathan Taylor's good. 16 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: So Amber didn't go down the list of all the 17 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,919 Speaker 1: great yeah, Shell and all the great she had great notes. 18 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: I had that that that did she I just sent 19 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: over to you just like I don't like she's won 20 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: more awards than anybody in this room. That is fact. 21 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: That is a fact. She's done some of those stats 22 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 1: just a little bit, you know, after after Brian kind 23 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: of said the same thing like twice, it was like, 24 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: it's going to come down to the Cowboys offense more 25 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: than anything. And then once then we start talking about 26 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: Jeff Saturday. Yeah, I heard about that, you know what 27 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: that that thing with the Jeff Saturday I you know, Nick, 28 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 1: I appreciate let me bring it up, ear us talk 29 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: about it, because to me, that's listen, there's there's qualified 30 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: you know, men and women that do these jobs and 31 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: they don't do them well enough, you know. I mean, 32 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: then there's people that kind of figure it out and 33 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: manage people and you know, they kind of get everybody organized, 34 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: and you know, so I don't always feel like that 35 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: NFL people have the right. I worked in the league 36 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: thirteen years working in front offices. Nick covered a lot 37 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: of that. There were a lot of times when Nick 38 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: walked in there goes, do you know what the hell 39 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: you're doing? And and you know what, I looked at 40 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: him a couple of times and said, you know, you're right, 41 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: we really don't know what we're doing right now, do it? 42 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: And so, you know, That's the thing about it is 43 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: if you find all walks of life, it really is, 44 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 1: it's all walks of life. You find the most qualified people. Yeah, 45 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: but sometimes the most qualified people can't get the job done, 46 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: you know. And I think I think the Colts could 47 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: have won all three of these games that Jeff Saturday 48 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: has been head coaching if you go back and watch, 49 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: like I said, I went the Philly game, the Steeler game. 50 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they mismanaged the Steeler game at the end. 51 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: But did they lose those games because he doesn't know 52 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: how to coach because he's never been a coach before. No, 53 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I think the Steeler game 54 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: hurt because he didn't have an idea. But there's Andy Reid, 55 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: My my buddy. Andy Reid is one of the most 56 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: successful coaches in NFL history. He blows game management situations 57 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: all the time. The great Bill Parcels had Ray Hanley, 58 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 1: who was a running backs coach back in the day 59 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: in the eighties. That was Ray was his clock management guy. 60 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: Bill Parcells knows how to finish out games, but he 61 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: had Ray Hanley there kind of saying, okay, coach, you 62 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: need to have two more you know, you'll need two 63 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 1: more first downs. You'll need this to happen. You'll need 64 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: this to happen, you know. I mean the great ones 65 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: do need help. And you know if these games are 66 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: hard to finish at the end, we all slipped there 67 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: and like, no, man, you gotta call time out here, 68 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: spike it here? No, what are you doing? I mean, 69 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: all we look, how about the game it ended in, 70 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: you know, the playoff game against San Francisco, you know here, 71 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: and you run the ball and you're trying to get 72 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: to the line to spike and you're like, why why'd 73 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: you do that? You know kind of a thing. So, 74 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's hard. These games are hard to 75 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: manage at the end. I will say this on the 76 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: on the Jeff Saturday thing and Nick, you and I 77 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: had this conversation. Yes, yes, atle bit, No are you pro? 78 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: You're pro? Like HI are the most qualified? Yeah, but 79 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: but just hear me out on this because I do 80 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: think one of the points I made to Nick yesterday 81 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: was before Nick was promoted to director of Editorial, where 82 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: he is managing all of the written content and the 83 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: topics that we hit on a lot of our shows. 84 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: If before that happened. If there was somebody, let's say, 85 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: a contractor type person that we had in our building 86 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: who was coming in and just going on air doing 87 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: a video, right, and and we thought, man, this guy's 88 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: really good, he really understands the content all that kind 89 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: of stuff. We're going to promote him to director of 90 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: editorial and he's gonna be Nick's boss. And let's say 91 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: he had never written a single article in his life, right, 92 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: Nick would have some feelings about that, right, because all 93 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: these years Nick has been the person that's been from 94 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: the time Dallas Cowboys dot com. But you know, you 95 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: would not hide it well. From the time from the 96 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: time Dallas Cowboys dot com. He's been the one that's 97 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: been up late at night trying to figure out what 98 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: we're writing and what we're gonna put on the website. 99 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: And he's been putting in all the work. And then 100 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, somebody that came in and did 101 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: a show for us that we thought was really good. 102 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: Now he just jumps into that seat. I think he 103 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: would have some feelings about that, right, He would feel 104 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: some kind of way about that. And by the way, 105 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: if you own a company, you have a right to 106 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: hire who you choose to hire. Sure, now that also 107 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: does that doesn't mean that we can't all have an 108 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: opinion about it. We can all have an opinion. We 109 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: can't change it. The owner gets to make the decision. Sure, well, 110 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: we can have an opinion about it. And my opinion 111 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: is that I do think there is something too the 112 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: person that that's been doing the work, all these coaches 113 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: that's been all those hours, all these years trying to 114 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: work up to that, that are currently on that Colt staff. 115 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: You can't tell me there's not at least one of 116 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: them that deserved an opportunity to get an eight week 117 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: try out. Right, Well, you had some coaches on that staff, 118 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: like Gus Bradley who did have an actual job. He 119 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: got to run Jacksonville. I think they were good for 120 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: one year of his tenure there. But to me, you know, 121 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I respect what you're saying. I just don't 122 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: think like that you could say the most qualified gal 123 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: or guy get always go in there and get the 124 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: job done, you know, And I think to have an 125 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: open mind find about maybe having a taking a different 126 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: path is kind of the best way to do things, 127 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: you know Itcause if you're saying Okay, because I said 128 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: this yesterday. You look at what urban Meyer did and 129 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: all his college stops. He was a program builder everywhere 130 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: he went, Bowling Green, Utah, Florida, Ohio State, all those places. 131 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there thinking, Man, I wish the Dallas 132 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: Cowboys would interview urban Meyer. I wish they would talk 133 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: to urban Meyer about this job, because I thought he 134 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: was the most qualified job guy for the job. In reality, 135 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: he was actually one of the worst NFL coaches we've 136 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: ever had. Like everything that you ever saw at Bowling Green, Utah, Florida, 137 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 1: and Ohio State, it was like it wasn't even the 138 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: same guy. So to me, I kind of understand if 139 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: you want to take a different path because sometimes the 140 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: most qualified people can't get the job done. Yeah, but 141 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: I think I think that's also I mean, that's saying, okay, 142 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: so in the instances where there's an exception to the rules, 143 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: So you're saying in most I don't think in most 144 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: since the most qualified person can't do the job, like 145 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not saying that, you know, but 146 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: I'm saying is that you to just always feel like 147 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: that the guy with the the gal with the best 148 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: resume is always going to get the job done. I 149 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: think that's I don't think that's the right way to 150 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: approve it. And that's not I don't think anybody's saying 151 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: the person with the best resume is going to get 152 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: the job done. It's saying the person with the best 153 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: resume has the best chance to get the job done 154 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: because they have done it, because they have put in 155 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: the work to get there. That's the point. And they've 156 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: earned the opportunity because of what they've done on that resume. 157 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: That's the point. And so when you don't do that, 158 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: what ends up happening is that's where you start getting 159 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: into the bigger conversation of well, if you're not really 160 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: promoting people who have done the work and have proven 161 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: that they had they deserve the right opportunity, then what 162 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: starts to happen is now that exclude certain people, and 163 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: certain people don't never get the opportunity because it's just 164 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: kind of a it's just kind of a i'll hire 165 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: my buddy kind of thing, and that never is a 166 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: good thing in today's society. The problem, sure, but but look, 167 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: like I said before, the right of an owner and 168 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: the beauty of being able to own your own thing. 169 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: Is you get to make the call. Yeah, it doesn't 170 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: mean we don't get to have an opinion about it. 171 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: And that's just maybe he didn't feel like the owner 172 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: didn't feel like that anybody on that staff deserved that 173 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: opportunity to have a tryout, that that might be their 174 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: such and they might want to clean house completely when 175 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: this thing's all send up. Maybe maybe Jeff Saturday's here 176 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: is doing a favor for the owner. You know. Now 177 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: you get people to come up, call out and call 178 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: him out and say, well, he hired his drinking buddy 179 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: and all that. I think that's unfair. But you know, 180 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: the like you said, the owner has the right to 181 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: put in there he wants. Maybe I could say he's 182 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: evaluated his staff and he's looking at these guys. He goes, 183 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: none of these guys can teach lines the red meat, 184 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: you know that kind of thing. I mean, these guys 185 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: can't coach, you know, it goes, I don't. I don't 186 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,439 Speaker 1: know why I have him here. And to me, I 187 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: I say, I don't have a problem with always thinking 188 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: that to me, always thinking that this is the most 189 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: qualified person I understand about. You know that maybe it 190 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: gives you the best chance, but that's not always guaranteed. 191 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: Oh nothing, that's I mean, But I'm more willing to say, 192 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: you know, let's try something different here, Let's not let's 193 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: not hire Urban Meyern and then all of a sudden 194 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: recks our franchise for the next three years. You know. 195 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: That's the things I would worry about. West say something, Um, 196 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: there's a couple of things. I mean, there's I thought 197 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: it was kind of um hypocritical of the whole the 198 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: whole situation. I think I talked about with you before. 199 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: It was that if if the head coach, Frank Reich 200 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,719 Speaker 1: was such a problem, um, you know, so they got 201 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: rid of him, you know, then they bring in a 202 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: guy Jeff Saturday that obviously he's gonna need to lean 203 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: on the assistance. But if the assistance were so good 204 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: to help him, then why was Frank Reich the guy 205 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: that was the problem in the first place. So the 206 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: whole thing doesn't really add up that well. But you 207 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: also made a good point too, is like the whole situation, 208 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: they kind of can bypass what the rule is if 209 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 1: the interim coach, if you don't have to use the 210 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: Rooney rule, to get an interim coach, and then when 211 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: you get an interim coach, you don't have to use 212 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: the Rooney rule again to promote him. Then you're bypassing 213 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 1: the situation. That seems that seems unfair to me, like 214 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: like there's a rule for a reason, and they've kind 215 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: of found a loophole to bypassing. Yeah, that's what they wanted. Well, 216 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: the point is it's it's the spirit of the rule 217 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: as well. The spirit of the rule is we're trying 218 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: to create an environment where everybody can get an equal opportunity, 219 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: and this kind of decision flies in the face of that. 220 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: That's the problem. And again, once again, as an owner, 221 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: you got a right to do what you choose to do. 222 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: I think the NFL has decided as a league something 223 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: like the Rooney rule is a good thing for business 224 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,719 Speaker 1: because they want diversity in their coaching ranks. They think 225 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 1: it is a good thing. So if you really think 226 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: it is a good thing, and you think it is 227 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: something that you want to get to having diversity in 228 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: your coaching ranks, specifically the head coaching position, then you 229 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 1: need to abide by your own rule or at least 230 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: push for teams to do it as as frequently as 231 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: possible to make sure you achieve the objective of having 232 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: diversity in the coaching right. And this was not that situation. 233 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: It just that it didn't rise to the level of 234 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: what they're trying to achieve. I don't think or at 235 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: least what they're stating that they're trying to achieve is 236 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: that run that was not. But honestly, I think it's 237 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: a good conversation now, and I love the fact that 238 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: we can have conversations like, yeah, but we don't have 239 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: to always agree on everything. It's fine. I think it's 240 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: a very very difficult conversation because it can go either way. 241 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: On one hand, yes, you can agree on the process 242 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: of how things should be for in order for it 243 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: to create more opportunities to other people. On the other hand, 244 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: you can also argue, like in today's world, at the 245 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: same time, you have to abide by so many new 246 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: things and so many new rules, and then it leads 247 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: to maybe you're not possibly doing what you want to do, 248 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: like you know, if this is what I own, this 249 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: is mine, this is what I want to do, I 250 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: have the right to do so. But then again it 251 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: goes back to the other thing. Well, at the same time, 252 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: you gotta you know, goal kind of because people there 253 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: are a lot of people that put in the work, 254 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: the sweat the hours and then never get a chance 255 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: to really get on to the top and show what 256 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: they can actually do. So I think it's a very 257 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: complicated topic that has many many layers to it, and 258 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: you could definitely argue and give an excuse to either side. Yeah, 259 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: and that's fair. I think it comes back to if 260 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: the NFL again, if the NFL is saying that our 261 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 1: stated goal is to create diversity, right, and these all 262 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: owners that have agreed this ruining rule is something that 263 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 1: we want to do. If that's what the goal is, 264 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: then you need to do it to be able to 265 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: get to the goal, right, And that's my thing. I Again, 266 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: owners have a right to do what they choose to do. 267 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: They have decided in this instance as a group, as 268 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: a league, that their stated goal is we want to 269 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: create diverse How big how much do you base on 270 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 1: people you hire on interviews? Who who? When you when 271 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: you interview people? For me? Yeah, how important is that? 272 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: That's a big part of it. It's not all of it. 273 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: And by the way, it's different kinds of interviews. Like 274 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: we we just went through a process where we were 275 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: hiring someone and we literally had I literally interviewed the 276 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: same person four times. Some of that was interviewing them 277 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: on the technical proficiency, sure, some of that was just 278 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: getting to know them as a person and getting to 279 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: know what they're kind of how their makeup is. Some 280 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: of that was getting them in front of other people 281 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 1: who are influential in our organization. Some of that was 282 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: getting them in front of people who they may be 283 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: working with and getting their opinions. So it's it's all 284 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: trying to figure out you know, you're trying to get 285 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: as many data points as you can, because let's also 286 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 1: be honest, when you're trying to hire somebody, you're only 287 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 1: getting the representative. You don't really get the real person. 288 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 1: You don't know the real person. That's kind of like dating, right, 289 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: You kind of have to figure it out as you go, 290 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: but you're you're having to make a definitive decision on 291 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: whether you're gonna hire them or not before you know. 292 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: If there's a big problem in this league that guys 293 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: and gals interview poorly, that's the problem. That's the problem 294 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: that guys and gals don't go into this into these 295 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: some of these jobs in the NFL and don't interview well. 296 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 1: And all of a sudden that you know people and 297 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: you sound like to me that and I've worked with 298 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: you before, so I understand this. You know you you 299 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: take the attention to detail to try and get through 300 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: the interview. A lot of times these front offices will 301 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: interview somebody and it's a one time kind of a thing, 302 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: or they'll look at like, oh, this guy told me 303 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: you need to hire this guy, or this guy you 304 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: need to hire this gal, and they interview them and 305 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: they don't come off as a very good interviewer, and 306 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: then you're all of a sudden, that's what's going on 307 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: right now in Kansas City with with Eric B. Enemy. Eric. 308 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: You talk to people around the league, they will tell 309 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: you Eric B Enemy does not interview well. You know now, 310 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: somebody's going to have to make a gut feeling on that, 311 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: a gut call and say, listen, I don't care about 312 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: the interview. I don't care any office can he coach 313 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: my team. That's where That's where because you you you 314 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: you just told me how how much detail you put 315 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 1: into it. Teams in the front office might not go 316 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: to the links that you're going to, but that's but 317 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: that's the way, that's that's the way this And my 318 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: only experience is working in the NFL and then working 319 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: in media. And I know when people when I hear 320 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: people like why does this guy not get a job? 321 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: Like Andy Reid wanted to keep Mike Kafka, who's the 322 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator with the Giants, It wasn't he was trying 323 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: to get rid of Eric b Enemy. He was like, man, Eric, 324 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: I could get him. I need to get him a job. 325 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: I need to get him a job. I want to 326 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: keep this guy, but I want Eric to also be 327 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: a head coach somewhere, you know. And he doesn't interview well. 328 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: And now everybody's going like, oh, okay, well you know, well, 329 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: you know, why did he not have a job. Let's 330 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: bringing this full circle because of what kind of what 331 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: you were talking about giving somebody an opportunity to interview 332 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: on the fly. What if Dan Campbell did an interview? Well, 333 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: but Dan Campbell got an opportunity six seven years ago 334 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: as a tight ends coach to be the head coach, 335 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: and they did well, they performed well, and all of 336 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: a sudden, now he gets another chance, and now he's 337 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: coaching the Lions. Jason Garrett, I doubt he wouldn't interview well, 338 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: but he got the opportunity when when Wade Phillips was 339 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: fired to interview on the fly. And I think, you know, 340 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: when when you make that point of somebody, some even 341 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: if it's a linebacker's coach or whatever, a young guy, 342 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: give him that opportunity to interview on the fly. If 343 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: the enemy didn't interview well but got to take over 344 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: and they went six and two in eight game strikes, 345 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: it's like, well, maybe it doesn't interview well, but he 346 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: could get his team, you know. So I kind of 347 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: see that point too. I know we're all got different 348 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: opinions there, but but I know Dan Campbell got an 349 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: opportunity to do that on the fly, Garrett did. There's 350 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: a lot of coaches that have done and some good, 351 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: some bad. You know, no opportunities matter. And I think 352 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: that's really the crux of what all the criticism that 353 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: I've heard, it's really about opportunity. It's about was their 354 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: fair opportunity for everyone in this instance who could be 355 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: more qualified in this instance than just kind of hiring 356 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: somebody that you just kind of feel comfortable with, because 357 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: that's where you can get into a lot of issues 358 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: that don't go to war, creating the right kind of 359 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: diverse city at you want. I remember I remember working 360 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia and talking to Jeff Lurry and Joe Banner 361 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: about Andy Reid. I remember, I mean, like like it 362 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: was yesterday, and you know, and again, you know, you 363 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: talk about things this is what I know, a B, 364 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: C and D, and then all of a sudden he 365 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: comes in and he is prepared, he's ready to go. 366 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: He's got all the questions covered, he's got his staff, 367 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: he's got this, he's got all that stuff covered. And Joe, 368 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: Joe and Jeff Lurry, they they're like, and we gotta 369 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: hire this guy. Yeah, we gotta hire this guy, because again, 370 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: sometimes you only have that one shot. You know. Andy 371 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: was never an offensive coordinator or anything like that. And 372 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: you know, I mean he went from being like really 373 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: a position coach to be in a you know, to 374 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: be in a you know, an NFL head coach, and 375 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: sometimes you do. Sometimes you just have to be just 376 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 1: being prepared going in there. I think goes a long way. 377 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: And in these in some of these jobs, people lose 378 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: because they don't interview. Well, it's just it's it's it's 379 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: it's sad in that way. I am interested to see 380 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: how Jeff Jeff Sarry does on this because Nick, you 381 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: brought this point up to me yesterday. He's not the 382 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: first former player that's wanted to jump right into the 383 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: head coaching seat for an NFL team. We know of 384 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 1: some guys who've wanted to do that and they didn't 385 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: get that opportunity, but they've wanted to do that. And 386 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: I'll be interested because that could And it happens in 387 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: the NBA, where you got guys who are who are 388 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: former players that become head coaches and they don't go 389 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: through the ranks, they just jump into the head coaches seat. 390 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,959 Speaker 1: I do think in basketball is probably a little bit different, 391 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 1: but I do think it happens a lot more over there. 392 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 1: It'll be interesting if Jeff Saturday is successful, we may 393 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: start to see more NFL players going directly from playing 394 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: right into the coaches seat and right into the head 395 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: coaches seat for NFL teams. And now so I think 396 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: for Jeff Saturday and for a lot of players who 397 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: want that kind of opportunity, this is a real big 398 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 1: moment for them, because if he has success, I guarantee 399 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: you in a league where they always are looking to 400 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: emulate what is working somewhere else, it will become a trend. Yeah, 401 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: I'll ask a question in them break, just probably gotta 402 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: get to it. Yeah, and that was not even on 403 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: my rundown. So we fill this whole first segment. No, 404 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: it's good. Actually it was really good because I didn't 405 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: have a good first segment. So this is perfect. 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Welcome back to the second segment of the Break. 455 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: Life in the SWBC Mortgage Studios at the Star. This 456 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: segment is presented by blockchain dot Com. Blockchain dot Com. 457 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: There we go, all right, let's jump in. Sorry, indie 458 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: defense versus Dallas offense. Brian, what's the best thing this 459 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 1: indie defense does? I think they're not gonna let you try. 460 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 1: They're not gonna let you run the ball like you 461 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: probably want to run the ball. But you know, to me, 462 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: that's that's okay. You'll figure out ways around it here, 463 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: because I think you can throw the ball on these guys. 464 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: I the player that I would attack would be Stefan 465 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: Gilmour is so and I know that sounds crazy from 466 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: back in the day that that would be the guy 467 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: you attack. But he seems like the guy to me 468 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: that struggles the most. He really doesn't really want to 469 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: get involved. He plays off, he gives space, he doesn't 470 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: drive on the ball like he once did. And so 471 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: you know, he watched the games, the last three games 472 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: that I've seen that teams have kind of found Number 473 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: five on the field and they've made plays in front 474 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: of him, they've made plays intermediate on him, they made 475 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: plays on him down the field, and he's really kind 476 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: of not interested in tackling. So you could throw the 477 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: ball to his side, you could break a run and 478 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: get some yards after catch throwing after him. That was 479 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: a time where you wouldn't throw the ball at this guy. 480 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 1: But I think he's just trying to kind of hang 481 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: in there and get going there. I mentioned that about 482 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: up front though, the force Buckner number ninety nine. They're 483 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: gonna put him likely over he's a defensive tackle. They're 484 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: likely going to put him over McGovern and just see 485 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: if McGovern can handle him one on one in this 486 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 1: football game. And so that would be a little bit 487 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: of a challenge with what's going on there. Janik and 488 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: Gakway is their best pass rusher. He plays as really 489 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 1: that right defensive end. You know, he's the guy that 490 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: you kind of have to worry about in the passing game. 491 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: The way to beat the Colts though, is that they 492 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: will find ways. They don't score enough points on offense. 493 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 1: We talked about that yesterday. Put a lot of pressure 494 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: on there there. If you can score on their defense, 495 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: find ways to run the ball, you know, which will 496 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: be like I said, it'll be a little bit of 497 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 1: a difficult task, but I feel like you can you 498 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: can make a little traction. I think throwing the ball 499 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: is going to be a good way to travel in 500 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: this particular game. Put up some points on the game 501 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 1: on the board. This team has hard time scoring points, 502 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 1: so that would put a lot of pressure that would 503 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: take them likely out of their running game and then 504 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 1: put it all on Matt Ryan. So defensively, just kind 505 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: of be ready for that. You know, it might be 506 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: a little bit tough sledding run in it, but I 507 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: feel like you can make some throws on these guys. 508 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: How different I mean, obviously, when you take out an 509 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: All Pro player, I mean it's gonna be bad. But 510 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: they don't have They changed his name with the linebacker Leonard. Yeah, Darius, 511 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 1: not Darius Leonard. Shack Leonard is his name now, Ye, 512 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: Shack Leonard. He doesn't play, Nope, he's not in this Yep, 513 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: he's not shut out to the bros. You know his name, 514 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: but you know, okay, his name Shaq Shaquille heard of 515 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: him changing his name. He's just Mama call him Darius. 516 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: I call him Darrius. I don't think mamma calls him 517 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 1: that anymore. Sure, I don't know. I didn't talk to her. 518 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: Did you talk to him? Gosh, they miss him, they 519 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: miss uh they missed play around. I think they I 520 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: think they miss and I'll tell you this, I do 521 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: I feel like that they I think they miss Matt 522 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: Eberflus too a little bit, you know, with the way 523 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: the defense is and stuff like that. But this is 524 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: a I can say, I just kind of you like 525 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: that Dallas can protect well enough to make plays and 526 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: scoring is going to be the key in this one, 527 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: you know. And okay, you don't need me to tell 528 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: you this former NFL scout guy, but the points because 529 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: you could put so much pressure on their offense. You know, 530 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: if you can make them one dimensional they give up sacks, 531 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 1: that's going to be a big thing for them. If 532 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: they have to sit there and throw the ball a 533 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: bunch in this game, it's gonna be a problem for them. 534 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: So that means attacking their defense. That means attacking guys 535 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: like Gilmore in this game means in blocking in Gackaway 536 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: off the edge and then not letting the Forest Buttner 537 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: kind of wreck shop in the run game. Make sure 538 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: you get bodies on him to take care of those things. 539 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 1: How are they with like turnovers and get in their 540 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: hands on the ball. Because if this is a game 541 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: that the Cowboys do decide to kind of go on 542 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 1: the passing game, throw the ball a little more. I mean, 543 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: I think there's chances out there because we've seen it 544 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: happen with that kind of throwing it in yourself. Yeah, 545 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: the games I was watching too with they created a 546 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: turnover to start the second half against the Eagles where 547 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: in Ghakway came from the backside and hammered the ball 548 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: out of Hurts his hands and then all all the 549 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: Colts could do was manage a field goal out of that. 550 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: And they had the ball in the you know, inside 551 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: the red zone inside of Philadelphia and you know, and 552 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: you know going in and they couldn't really do anything 553 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: for it. So, like I said, if you're going to 554 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: throw the ball, if you're going to throw the ball, 555 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: which I think you can, just make sure that you 556 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: take care of that guy. I you know, as far 557 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: as the interceptions and stuff like that, you know, I 558 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: was kind of they were. There were some passes and 559 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: stuff that were knocked down more so, but then getting 560 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 1: their hands on balls. There's more past defense and things 561 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: like that. Not watching all their games but the last 562 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 1: three games that they played, but I just I kind 563 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: of feel like you can throw the ball in these guys. 564 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not I'm not worried about I'm not 565 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: worried about the dak mistake in this game of maybe 566 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: an interception or something like. I am worried about though, 567 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: if in fact you don't block their edge rusher who 568 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: can cause problems in the pocket. Yeah, it's interesting, Brian, 569 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: because to hear you say that, I actually thought you 570 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: were going to say the exact opposite. Because their numbers 571 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: kind of paint a little different story. I'll throw out 572 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: some of the numbers and I want you kind of 573 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 1: explain a little bit maybe why these numbers may not 574 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 1: be the whole story. Right. They don't blitz a lot, 575 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: right are sixteen They are sixteen percent drop back, So 576 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: I think they're at the bottom four of the league 577 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: when it comes to the mouth that they blitz. Not 578 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: a blitzing team. But here's an interesting part. They're eleventh 579 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: and sacks, right, so they're getting pressure with the front 580 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 1: four not having to send a lot of extra twist fronts. 581 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 1: Is where the overload one side on the front. Here 582 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: was the interesting part. Right now they are fifth and 583 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: pass defense right now, they only give up on average 584 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety point six yards through the air. 585 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 1: They have not allowed a single game this year where 586 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: a team through for over three hundred yards. They're averaging 587 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: under two hundred yards passing. Why are those numbers not 588 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: really telling the full story. I don't think they've played 589 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: teams that can throw the football, to be honest with you, though, 590 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,479 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's when you and especially you go 591 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: back and you look at and I could say the 592 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: last three games. I'm trying to go back and look 593 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: at the Jeff Saturday games and you know they fire 594 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: coordinator and all that stuff like that. I just know 595 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: that the teams when I'm watching like the Raiders, the Eagles, 596 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: I'm watching the Steelers, and you know, you're talking about 597 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: teams of that kind of thing hurts and car you know, 598 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: but then pick it, you know, throwing the ball, that's 599 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: a little bit of a like maybe not so much, 600 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: but to me, I mean when when you watch those 601 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: games that I just saw, I was seeing the ball 602 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: go down the field, i was seeing guys making some plays. 603 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: I was seeing some catches. I'm seeing crossing or out. Said, 604 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: That's why I was picking on Gilmore here because it 605 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: seemed like every time there was a big play in 606 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: this game, for the last three, it was on Gilmore. 607 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: So I'm kind of into that point right now, where 608 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: like I say, they're gonna try and overload one side 609 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: and rush. I could see them doing that to Tyler Smith. 610 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: They're gonna say, Okay, Tyler Smith, let's see if you 611 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: could pick up twist stunts. Let's see if you could 612 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: pick up an overload side coming your way. Stuff like that. 613 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: That's what I kind of feel like they're gonna try 614 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: and do because they've done in these games. But they're 615 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,239 Speaker 1: gonna move their front and if you could pick up 616 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: all the movement of the four, that's what you're going 617 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: to be able to do. Because it's four drop seven. 618 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys are good enough. I don't think 619 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: they can cover the Cowboys. I really don't. I don't, 620 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: And I don't think they've played anybody Philadelphia was that way. 621 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: Philadelphia's got receivers, but I don't think they've played a 622 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: team that has receivers like the Cowboys. Do you know, 623 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: you look at what this game is as far as 624 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: Buckner going up against left guard Connor McGovern, you know, 625 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: the Cowboys obviously have a decision to make here at 626 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: some point with Tyron Smith Tyren Smith coming back, it 627 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: sounds like they're gonna make the decision. He's gonna play 628 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: left tackle. Then what happens inside? Does Tyler Smith move 629 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: in to guard? Could this be a game or a 630 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: couple of games here where you start to see that 631 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: a little bit more. Maybe Jason Peters play some at 632 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: left tackle. Maybe you get some opportunities for Tyler Smith 633 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: to play guard again. So when Tyrn does come back 634 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: and eases into it, you're also easing Tyler Smith in there. Obviously, 635 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: you gotta win the game. I'm not saying that they're 636 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: gonna just blow him out and all that, but there's 637 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: opportunities to maybe get Tyler Smith more work at guard. 638 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: I would I would look into that, especially if he 639 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: if he's going up against the DeForrest Buckner and go 640 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: all right, well, you know, the Eagles are gonna have 641 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: some some guys in there too. I'm Jacksonville's got some 642 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: guys in there, and you know, I mean, let's let's 643 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: give him a pretty good test. Yeah, I don't, I mean, 644 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: I totally you know, I don't know if they necessarily 645 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: I think they just want to make the move when 646 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: they make the move. You know. I think to me 647 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: it was funny because in that game against the Giants, 648 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: Tyler Smith did not look strong, you know, And now 649 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: you're starting to wonder, okay, is he to the point 650 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: now where he's this is the most games he's played. 651 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: When you start to talk about preseason, all those snaps 652 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: and now the regular season, is he losing a little 653 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: bit of that power? Is he losing a little bit 654 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: of that strength? And it might be three games in 655 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: four in twelve days might be a little bit of 656 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: a problem there. So I would I would hope that, 657 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: you know. And maybe it's the fact that they were 658 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: on a short week that he didn't look great. Also 659 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: at that part of the year where he's used to 660 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: the season being rap rapping up. No, no, that you 661 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: always talk about the rookie wall and stuff like that. 662 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: But I mean to me, I kind of I kind 663 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: of feel like that, you know that you you're in 664 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: a situation where if you're gonna make this move, just 665 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: let him play the tackle spot. He got to play 666 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: a little bit of guard. What gave us at the 667 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,719 Speaker 1: Minnesota game that he got to play a little bit. 668 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: That's when we kind of first saw what was going 669 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: on there. Maybe if you can build a little bit 670 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: of a lead and you know, and and find a 671 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: way to kind of move some guys around. But I 672 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: have a feeling he is going to continue to play 673 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: left tackle until they get tied and the and the 674 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: plan is to get through this week and then now 675 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: we should see next week. You know, uh Tyrn Smith, 676 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: maybe that clock start for him and then get him 677 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: back going for this one of these upcoming games. To 678 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: the point of Buckner, Um, what is it that he 679 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: does well, what's his game like and how does that 680 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: match up against these real drinks and weakness at McGovern. Yeah, 681 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: he's really long and you know, and that and when 682 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: you start to talk about hit the way he comes 683 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: off the ball, he's not one of these guys that's 684 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,479 Speaker 1: like plays real tall. He's a long guy and he 685 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: gets a lot of leverage when he gets pushed. So 686 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,479 Speaker 1: what happens is he puts you at a disadvantage because 687 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: his hands get inside of you first, and now he's 688 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: got you extended and now you're trying to fight to 689 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: get your hands inside on him. He wins a lot 690 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: of times at the point of attack, just because of 691 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: his length and the power, the upper body power that 692 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: he has. But yeah, and he's good because I can 693 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,719 Speaker 1: say the four man rush and the twist game stuff. 694 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: You get a big body like that moving and it 695 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: makes it a little bit difficult to try and stop 696 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,719 Speaker 1: him from getting up the field that way. But the 697 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: length is as biggest thing because he'll extend and now 698 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: he's got the blocker controlled, and then he's able to 699 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: kind of get work off that blocker and then go 700 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: make a play. All we're gonna take our final break. 701 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: When we come back. We'll talk a little bit about 702 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: this Cowboys offense. 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Listen to some of these numbers. 750 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: Since Dak's return, Cowboys are thirty. They have thirty eight 751 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,240 Speaker 1: point eight points per game, that's first in the NFL. 752 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: They have engineered forum sixteen point two yards per game, 753 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,760 Speaker 1: second in the NFL. They are fifty fifty seven point 754 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: one percent on third downs, that's first in the NFL. 755 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: They are eighty four point two percent in red zone 756 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: that is second in the NFL. They are operating at 757 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: a level, quite frankly, operating at a level similar to 758 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 1: what they were doing last year when they had offensively 759 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: a really really great season. But based on the eye test, 760 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: because I think that's where a lot of the conversation 761 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: is going right now with regards to Desk Dak. Based 762 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: upon the eye test of what you've seen this season, 763 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,760 Speaker 1: is Dak really playing this well or there other factors 764 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: that are making Dallas be this efficient offensively? Yes, you 765 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: were saying those numbers. I'm just here raising an eyebrow 766 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 1: than the other than the other. I'm like, really, really 767 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: how because it, I mean, based on my memory and everything, 768 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: everything that I've seen enough to say that Dak has 769 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: been terrible by any means. But I don't think he's 770 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: being absolutely great and like the number one you know 771 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 1: in the NFL either. So it's very it is very 772 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 1: deceiving to hear those numbers because everything we've watched indicates, 773 00:36:55,560 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: you know, the inconsistency. We know that's an issue. Just 774 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 1: the misthrows where he hasn't been connected with the wide receivers, 775 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: which all in all, I wouldn't put all the blame 776 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: in Dak. I think it does split half and half 777 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: on the receivers and him. But it's I'm curious to 778 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,720 Speaker 1: hear to hear, y'all spot, because that's very They're scoring points, 779 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 1: that's that's the thing. They scored twenty eight points at 780 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: Lambeaux and they lost. Um, you know, you would think 781 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,359 Speaker 1: you would win that if you go on the road 782 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,800 Speaker 1: and score twenty eight points defense, Yeah, thirty eight for 783 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 1: thirty eight point eight points per game since Dak's returned, 784 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,240 Speaker 1: thirty eight point eight. Wow. And even then it feels 785 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: like every game, you know, it's always been low scoring. 786 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 1: They've had two forty point games, I mean, okay since 787 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 1: his return, yeah, yeah, forty nine and a forty and 788 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 1: and you know twenty a couple of twenty eights and 789 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 1: then that twenty I think, you know, that first game 790 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: against Detroit, I mean, Russ was was it was a 791 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: problem because they struggled for a while and then they 792 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: finally just kind of pulled away. And look at it now. 793 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: I mean Detroit's good football team. I mean the crappy 794 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: football team, you know, but but I just think that 795 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: that overall, I mean, they're scoring points. And that's when 796 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 1: Cooper Rush was the quarterback. The defense was winning and 797 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: carrying them when they weren't scoring a lot of points. 798 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 1: Now they are, and they're becoming a lot more of 799 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 1: a complete team. The IT test tells me he's healthy. 800 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 1: The I test tells me the offensive line has gotten 801 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 1: better since week one, and the I test tells me 802 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: that they run the football better with the two backs. 803 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 1: They've kind of figured that out. So the balance has 804 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 1: really really helped him. You know, the one game he lost, 805 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: you mentioned, they scored twenty eight points. But he throws 806 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: the ball forty six times. You know, That's that we've 807 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: talked about. That that's something that we've always hung our 808 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 1: hat on talking about Dak. Don't make him throw the 809 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: ball forty sometimes, make him throw the ball twenty eight times. 810 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:46,839 Speaker 1: You know, make him throw the ball twenty five times, 811 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: twenty six times. That's that's when his stat line always 812 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 1: seems to work out better. He seems to be more productive. 813 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: But I think those around him, the receivers are starting 814 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 1: to play better. Ceedee Lamb is by far starting to 815 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: elevate with all the targets, gallops starting to come back 816 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 1: around the young tight ends. You could throw the ball 817 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 1: to one of those guys. You could throw the ball 818 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: to Shoults, You can throw the ball to any tight 819 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 1: end and it works out for him so offensively. I 820 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,359 Speaker 1: think that a lot has to do with his health 821 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: and how he's playing, because you're starting to see him 822 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: run the option. You know, you're seeing block, You're seeing 823 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: him kind of get involved with the game. And I 824 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: always believe that with Dac, when he got involved with 825 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: the game, he was always going to be a better player. 826 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,359 Speaker 1: And I think the guys around him. That eye test 827 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 1: to me is the guys around him have also elevated 828 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,359 Speaker 1: their game to help him. But I will say this, 829 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,840 Speaker 1: though he threw it forty six times against the Packers, 830 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 1: if he throws it forty five times and I'm taking 831 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 1: away third and ten at the ten yard line when 832 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 1: you're forced it end if you throw, if you run 833 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 1: the ball there and kick a field goal and put 834 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 1: the Packers down ten points and nothing with their game plan, 835 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,399 Speaker 1: if we will just want to run and run and run, 836 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 1: We'll see how how long that really goes. They had 837 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: a chance to maybe take them out of that game plan, 838 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: which would have played right back into your hand on 839 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 1: the coach. Put that on the coach, but also put 840 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: it on deck too. You can't throw that there. You 841 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: gotta know, it's got to be perfect in that situation 842 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 1: into the half two minute drill. It's got to be 843 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 1: perfect for you to just be firing it over the 844 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,479 Speaker 1: middle there. All these interceptions are right over the middle 845 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: of the field, and so I think that that's something 846 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,319 Speaker 1: that Kellen and Dak and CD because it's all of 847 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 1: them have got to get on the same page there. 848 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 1: I think that's what's kind of clouding our eye test 849 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: a little bit, as these interceptions at really inopportune times. 850 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,240 Speaker 1: But for the most part, I think, yeah, the offense 851 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 1: has been way better and more efficient with him in there. 852 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,799 Speaker 1: Do you think he is the key to this thing? 853 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: Because it all came also at a time when as 854 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 1: you just mentioned Brian, when they start to really figure 855 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: out their success running the ball, and really their offense 856 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,720 Speaker 1: success is built around their ability to use both backs 857 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: and using Pollard in more of a multidimensional role where 858 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: they're even getting him out of the backfield and catching 859 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: more passes. What do you think is more key to 860 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: the offense success. I think it's I think it's the 861 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 1: two running backs. I know that Pollard had really some 862 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,799 Speaker 1: really nice games without Zeke being in there, but I 863 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 1: think there's something about it. I can't remember the last time, 864 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: and I probably should looked it up. When's the last 865 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: time that Pollard had more carries than Zeke in a 866 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 1: game when they were both playing? And it happened last week, 867 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: you know, it happened in that game. It was eighteen sixteen, 868 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: the Giants game. Yeah, and it was weird because had 869 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 1: more yards. Yeah. I think that you really, I think 870 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: you have to The key is to have both those guys, 871 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,480 Speaker 1: I really do, because what happens is it's about staying ahead. 872 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 1: For Dac, it's about staying ahead in the in the change. 873 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,920 Speaker 1: And you know, hell, he made a great throw in 874 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,280 Speaker 1: that third and fifteen, but it took like a beautiful 875 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: ball and a great catch by you know Schultz, you know, 876 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,320 Speaker 1: or in the back of the end zone there in 877 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: that third and fifteen play. I mean it was the 878 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 1: same play they try earlier, and you know we got it. 879 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 1: But do you think that both these guys are top 880 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 1: twenty running backs in the league? Top twenty? Yes, you 881 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 1: had to rank them all. Yeah, I don't know if 882 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: either one of them are top ten, but I think 883 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 1: they're both top twenty. You're you're talking about together. I 884 00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 1: look at him together. I don't look at him as apart. 885 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 1: I look him as one. Well. The reason why I 886 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,320 Speaker 1: say one, guys, if you just rank all the running 887 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 1: backs in the league and we don't watch them all, 888 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:06,640 Speaker 1: I think about a billity. Are we talking about their 889 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,319 Speaker 1: actual yards? Like? No, I'm talking about just like who's 890 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 1: the number one back in the league, who's the second back? Two? 891 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,880 Speaker 1: Top twenty? I think they're both top twenty backs. And 892 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 1: the reason why I say that and why it's important 893 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 1: is what other team, every single play can hand the 894 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,640 Speaker 1: ball to a top twenty running back because Derrick Henry, 895 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook, those guys are great, but at some point 896 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 1: somebody else comes in and then does their offense change. 897 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: They always have a top twenty running back running the football, 898 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 1: and I think that's important if they use it that way. Yeah, 899 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 1: I would say this. I do think that Tony people. 900 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 1: We're just talking about skills and you're matching up against 901 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 1: skills of other running backs the league. I do think 902 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,799 Speaker 1: he's developed into top ten, like right there at top ten, 903 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 1: around ten or so. I would put him in that category. 904 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 1: But I think your points valid still. I mean, you 905 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,360 Speaker 1: got two guys that you think are top twenty running 906 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 1: backs that are one of us always in the backfield's value. 907 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,440 Speaker 1: I've taken the approach, like I said, of looking to me, 908 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,920 Speaker 1: they're one back. Yeah, they they they It's funny. They 909 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,080 Speaker 1: all as if you look at what skills you need 910 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 1: to be a really top five running back, you would 911 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 1: say the ability to make people miss, to get the 912 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 1: extra yards, tough yards, be able to catch the ball 913 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 1: and pass block a complete back. Together, those guys are 914 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 1: a complete back. That's the way I look at what 915 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,799 Speaker 1: you're saying. It really is is exactly the point that 916 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 1: I'm making is they can go to their back up 917 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 1: whoever it is right and they don't lose. That don't lose. 918 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:28,080 Speaker 1: They can still be everything Pollard. I mean there's things like, Okay, 919 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 1: Zeke is sometimes explosive, and but Pollard sometimes Blitz picks up, 920 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:35,759 Speaker 1: you know that that kind of thing, you know what 921 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So that's what I'm saying that that's something 922 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 1: you know, the deficiency of one is overcome by the 923 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,719 Speaker 1: other one. You know that they're like they cancel each 924 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,920 Speaker 1: other out in the way of Okay, this guy can 925 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 1: really explode, this guy can this guy can get the 926 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 1: tough yard, this guy can pass block, this guy could 927 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,040 Speaker 1: catch the ball. You know. I mean, they've got a 928 00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,360 Speaker 1: really good balance with those two guys. All Right, we 929 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,319 Speaker 1: appreciate you guys, Joan us. We'll be back tomorrow. We'll 930 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,399 Speaker 1: wrap this whole thing up. Let you know, we think 931 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,840 Speaker 1: it's gonna happen this Sunday night, Sunday Night football Cowboys 932 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,359 Speaker 1: versus Colts. Till then for Nick Eatman, Brian brought us 933 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,319 Speaker 1: Amber Garcia. I'm Derek Eagleton. This has been The Break 934 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,640 Speaker 1: live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. This has been 935 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,880 Speaker 1: a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas 936 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,080 Speaker 1: Cowboys Football Club.