Speaker 1: Misspelling with Tory Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm not a perfectionist.
Speaker 1: When detail oriented, you're a perfectionista chic, you're detail oriented.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, And I always say I got that her
Speaker 2: mom like the devils and the details, like she you know,
Speaker 2: when we had parties and we had it was always
Speaker 2: those little things. And you know, I feel like people
Speaker 2: would always say when I would you know, I just
Speaker 2: grew up knowing that, and I would always think, like, gosh,
Speaker 2: that is that's care that went into that. Like you
Speaker 2: know when she like would wrap gifts and put little
Speaker 2: you know, the glue gun and spend so much time it.
Speaker 3: Would be on there. Do you remember how intricate those were?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Man, But it was it was all of the details
Speaker 3: that when you receive that gift, wow, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: just getting the gift was amazing, right.
Speaker 2: But it's yeah, and it was as much for the
Speaker 2: person as it was for her because she enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: She had a passion for it. She would make it
Speaker 2: very personal, like yeah, and I think that's super important.
Speaker 2: I mean, now I just do stick on bows.
Speaker 3: That's like I love a good stick on bow.
Speaker 2: That's the only thing. Like I'm crafty, just like her.
Speaker 2: But I've rebelled against the bows well because I don't
Speaker 2: think I could ever make them right.
Speaker 3: I'm curmudgeon now, so I've shifted into a home place
Speaker 3: where I used to do the stick on bows. And
Speaker 3: then I'm like, it's so bad for the environment. Do
Speaker 3: we really even need that on there? What about all
Speaker 3: this wrapping paper? It goes in the landfill. So now
Speaker 3: I'm I'm gonna hand it over. No, but I wanted to,
Speaker 3: like I reuse bags or sometimes a shopping bag, and
Speaker 3: I'll just put tape on it. And is that? I mean?
Speaker 3: I see fireworks?
Speaker 2: VI simple tape? Boy bends going one? So do you
Speaker 2: just put like straight up scotch tape? Do you like
Speaker 2: folded and stick it underneath? Do you crease? I've seen
Speaker 2: you wrap. You're good, You're good.
Speaker 3: You used to put more care in the wrapping. I
Speaker 3: still do the folds, but I do the straight up
Speaker 3: scotch tape without the double sticky because we had we
Speaker 3: kind of had to like hide the tape so you
Speaker 3: didn't see the tape.
Speaker 2: When you say we, who's we?
Speaker 3: Like? We? You?
Speaker 4: You?
Speaker 2: And I like how we learned?
Speaker 3: Yeah, at Christmas time, the birthday time. I remember sitting
Speaker 3: up and we had the weighted tape thing that we
Speaker 3: would use.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, was like, oh well there was a wait
Speaker 2: are we talking about? Like there was there was a
Speaker 2: black one, the family one, or like you and I,
Speaker 2: Oh there was?
Speaker 3: We didn't have one in our room? Did we not?
Speaker 2: In a room? I thought you were like fast forwarding
Speaker 2: like in our twenties when we wrap gifts and do
Speaker 2: things like that.
Speaker 3: No, no, I was talking about growing up. But did
Speaker 3: you never use double sided tape? Yeah? Of course? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then when do we do you still use the
Speaker 3: sided tape straight up scotch Yeah?
Speaker 2: No, one side? Yeah, yeah, okay exactly. We've graduated movies
Speaker 2: that that was our thing.
Speaker 3: So we watched so many movies, movies and over. I
Speaker 3: was telling my girls this the other day. We used
Speaker 3: to watch movies one hundred times, right VHS. We'd watched
Speaker 3: the same movie thirty times?
Speaker 2: We did? We did?
Speaker 3: Yeah? What about what was that movie? You made me
Speaker 3: watch it? I loved it and I would sit with
Speaker 3: you and watch it. Oh, I will give you a hint,
Speaker 3: Jodie Foster, Yeah, how did you know? Do you know
Speaker 3: which one.
Speaker 2: We're related? No? Watch other's minds. Oh gosh, and Billy Billy,
Speaker 2: yes his name, ye, I wanted to marry that guy.
Speaker 2: Can we look up a few single Billy William mc McNamara,
Speaker 2: Billy McNamara, right, do you remember the movie name Summer? Uh?
Speaker 2: Some remember Summer Lovers?
Speaker 3: Lovers? Was not that?
Speaker 2: Nope, nope, nope, Oh my god, it was called remember
Speaker 2: Secret Admire. Oh my god, that was a good one.
Speaker 2: Oh I remember that one kind of ruined my life?
Speaker 2: Was that?
Speaker 3: Thomas Howe?
Speaker 2: Correct, Laurie Laughlin, Yeah, that's right, Hilly Preston.
Speaker 3: We have to move on because I don't even remember
Speaker 3: the title. I don't even know the movie title. Stealing Home,
Speaker 3: that's right.
Speaker 2: Stealing Home for the one that is one of my
Speaker 2: favorite movies.
Speaker 3: Made you guys over and over and over.
Speaker 2: Sorry, because you were young then, and that.
Speaker 3: Probably No, that was not traumatizing. The exercises and all
Speaker 3: the horror films that you and mom used to watch
Speaker 3: and then I would sit there, those were traumatizing. That
Speaker 3: was not make him. I still remember the scene somewhere
Speaker 3: in Egypt and the digging, and it was just the
Speaker 3: yeah too, but.
Speaker 4: Yeah, uh huh oh, yeah, that was Exorcist too, I
Speaker 4: mean that was I'm so, I'm sorry because you were
Speaker 4: young and you weren't into them.
Speaker 2: Like, for instance, when mom first introduced me to horror films,
Speaker 2: I believe I was four and it was in Palm
Speaker 2: Springs and it was Return of the Body Snatchers, the
Speaker 2: one with Donald Southwy And I can see myself sitting
Speaker 2: right now in the chair on Dad's lap actually, which
Speaker 2: is odd because he didn't like horror films and we
Speaker 2: watched it and I was into it.
Speaker 3: No, and you always had Yeah, so you got to
Speaker 3: know dad.
Speaker 2: You know, we say read the room like you read
Speaker 2: the room, but you never were into them. And yet
Speaker 2: I forcibly, literally when you were young, forcibly made you
Speaker 2: watch them because.
Speaker 3: Did you hold me down?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Or I just wanted to be with you so I'd
Speaker 3: sit there with you. Yeah, both are.
Speaker 2: Just Oh what was I watching? We were watching once
Speaker 2: something in the projection room, but not on the projection
Speaker 2: the screen, not the big house, not the man or
Speaker 2: our first house together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, our first Yeah, because we would watch movies there.
Speaker 3: That's where the TV was, and we'd pull up those
Speaker 3: big chairs.
Speaker 2: In a room that big.
Speaker 3: We would watch watch the TV and it was.
Speaker 2: Not small, but it wasn't big forty two inch like,
Speaker 2: not ginormous compared Oh that was big back then.
Speaker 3: That was probably big back then, yeah, because remember TV's
Speaker 3: were like this big.
Speaker 2: I don't know, because what about the one and the den?
Speaker 2: That one's like, oh that was bigger, bigger. But we
Speaker 2: never went in there.
Speaker 3: We always would go in the projection room there.
Speaker 2: And pull up chairs and sit in front. But there
Speaker 2: was some movie I had on and you didn't want
Speaker 2: to watch it. I don't know why I wind you
Speaker 2: in there or something. When you left it, that's when
Speaker 2: you walked through the office and I ran and tackle.
Speaker 2: Do you remember it differently?
Speaker 3: That was the same night day, That was the same day. No,
Speaker 3: I didn't put two and two together, but I certainly
Speaker 3: remember the time you tackled me. And I also remember it.
Speaker 3: You probably had no one else to watch it with,
Speaker 3: and so you needed But that's when we were closer
Speaker 3: and you you would have no one else, so your
Speaker 3: friends wouldn't be around, and then you'd be like, Jean,
Speaker 3: come here, fandle come here, and you would call me
Speaker 3: in or if you needed to go shopping, then I
Speaker 3: would go showan pee did you ever know? Yeah, I
Speaker 3: told you this. I love this story that I would
Speaker 3: pray at night. So remember so remember my room. It
Speaker 3: was green, right, and I had those shutters, those blinds,
Speaker 3: the shutter blinds, and Jerry would take the dogs out
Speaker 3: at a certain point in the light would go on.
Speaker 3: But every time security guard slash like family friend. He
Speaker 3: was so close with us.
Speaker 2: That was the great thing. Like growing up, people would
Speaker 2: be like, oh my gosh, you had stuff working for you.
Speaker 2: They all we were close, became family, like we were
Speaker 2: all a family.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So he would take the dogs out, and I
Speaker 3: remember I'd be sitting in my bed and that was
Speaker 3: my talking to God moment. I'd be like, okay, okay God.
Speaker 3: So after one of the days of either shopping or
Speaker 3: movies or something, I would be like, please God, please
Speaker 3: have Tory. W'd be nice to meet tomorrow. And then
Speaker 3: it would be Monday and I would come down to breakfast.
Speaker 3: You'd be like, don't look at me. I don't want
Speaker 3: to watch this. I don't want to watch tom and Jerry,
Speaker 3: I want the news get away, And I was like.
Speaker 2: I was trying. I had current events in fifth grade.
Speaker 2: I had to act like I knew what I was doing.
Speaker 3: There were boys there, but in all fairness, I will
Speaker 3: tell you this because I didn't. I was thinking about
Speaker 3: this the other day. I also started thinking and just
Speaker 3: doing what i'd do working with people for a living
Speaker 3: and helping families and whatnot.
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, my brother an amazing
Speaker 2: life coach. If you don't know, thank you. But but
Speaker 2: I was thinking, if you know me and listen to this,
Speaker 2: then you know him and you knew that.
Speaker 3: But I was thinking about this, thank you. I was.
Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, I tried to really
Speaker 3: put myself in your position because at some point, and
Speaker 3: especially through early years of therapy, I looked at it
Speaker 3: as just from my point of view, but it was
Speaker 3: like I even see Sage and Lotus right, like they're
Speaker 3: two years apart and they get into things. I was like,
Speaker 3: as an older sibling, there are probably many times where
Speaker 3: I was irking you or I was annoying or right,
Speaker 3: and so I mean, why why do you think? Why
Speaker 3: do you think you.
Speaker 2: Want my attention? Yes, I understand, but when you're five
Speaker 2: and I'm like eleven, and I'm like trying to be
Speaker 2: cool or hang out, you have zero tolerance, which goes
Speaker 2: back to what you're saking.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 2: So what I know not when I see my kids
Speaker 2: do it? I do because I remember I was like,
Speaker 2: I see both sides now and I'm like, gosh, it
Speaker 2: was super annoying to be like.
Speaker 3: Stop, stop, stop, right, and then I wouldn't stop, and
Speaker 3: then you would blow up and get annoyed so understandably.
Speaker 2: Right, and then you cry, and then I get in trouble.
Speaker 3: I cried a lot. Do you remember I cried a lot?
Speaker 3: I was. I was a sensitive child, which paid off
Speaker 3: for you. It paid off for me.
Speaker 2: I did not cry a lot, and I'm still paying
Speaker 2: for it now. Who pushing your all down?
Speaker 3: You're a you're a pusher, but you're frying, right, Clarify that,
Speaker 3: I'm a pusher of emotions. You push emotions down, but
Speaker 3: you're working on that right right. Yes. I don't know
Speaker 3: if you had this, but I remember in in elementary school,
Speaker 3: randomly I would I would see someone that I saw
Speaker 3: every day, but all of a sudden it was like
Speaker 3: I'm in love, and then I would be in love.
Speaker 3: And then I remember I worked up the courage to
Speaker 3: ask Michelle Lee out, and I asked her out. Whatever
Speaker 3: that means in third grade and not from not slanding right, No,
Speaker 3: not just asked the classmate out and she said yes.
Speaker 3: And then two days later she broke.
Speaker 2: Up with me. And Michelle Lee I remember Chelle, and.
Speaker 3: She broke up with me, and I literally loved her.
Speaker 3: I was in bed, he was gutted, gutted, crying with
Speaker 3: a box of tissues, and you came in and helped me.
Speaker 3: You made it better. You were like, what's going on,
Speaker 3: what's wrong? And I'm she broke up with me, and
Speaker 3: you were like oh. And then at some point you
Speaker 3: invented Gertrude.
Speaker 2: See that wasn't all bad. I didn't just beat you up.
Speaker 3: No, you gave me a pretend friend on the other
Speaker 3: end of the phone line.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 3: It was an old woman named Gertrude.
Speaker 2: This is true. Does your mind and bring whatever it is? Like?
Speaker 2: You're telling me the story and reminding me of Michelle
Speaker 2: Lee and everything, and then all of a sudden, my memory.
Speaker 2: You know, people go back and be like, oh, I
Speaker 2: remember that. The way I remember it is my brain.
Speaker 2: I see a picture of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, I can see almost like a video. I
Speaker 3: see the scene. Okay, yeah, is.
Speaker 2: That common is that something is that genetic.
Speaker 3: I haven't had kids from a genius on this, I
Speaker 3: would say, I'm very visual, you're very visual. We're both creative. Yes,
Speaker 3: I do think people can be very visual. Some people aren't.
Speaker 3: Some people are more auditory or they remember certain things
Speaker 3: that they see. But visual, by the way, is great
Speaker 3: for change. If you want to change.
Speaker 2: You see you just said change and I shut down. Proceed.
Speaker 3: Great for glowing up okay, oh oh okay, yeah, see
Speaker 3: where I'm going with that. It's it's a great glow
Speaker 3: up because if you can see it, if you can
Speaker 3: picture it, and you can actually create the scene, then
Speaker 3: your body is more willing to get on board. You're like, wait,
Speaker 3: I've seen it. I can make it happen. If you
Speaker 3: don't have a reference point, very hard to make it
Speaker 3: happen for people, just positive affirmation alone doesn't always work.
Speaker 3: You have to actually see it and be there, and
Speaker 3: once you do, that's when change happens.
Speaker 2: So to that point, can you go back in time
Speaker 2: to a visual of something that you know led to
Speaker 2: something you perceived maybe as trauma? Emotional trauma is something
Speaker 2: that has stayed with you your entire life. If you
Speaker 2: can see that scene specifically, can you go back and
Speaker 2: change it?
Speaker 3: Hands down? So okay, stay with me though for a second.
Speaker 3: You can't change the event.
Speaker 2: We're in bed.
Speaker 1: I'm not going you can't change the event. I'm present, right,
Speaker 1: thank you, I'm glad, I'm liking this.
Speaker 3: You can't change the event. If something traumatic happened, that
Speaker 3: thing happened, and I never want to dismiss that or
Speaker 3: excuse that. That's important. But it's almost like now with
Speaker 3: the with smartphones. How what happens with trauma is something
Speaker 3: becomes static, like a static picture where it doesn't move,
Speaker 3: it's frozen in your head, and that traumatic event. You
Speaker 3: just see that event happening over and over. But now
Speaker 3: like with the iPhones, when you put your finger on
Speaker 3: it and you see before and you see after, the live,
Speaker 3: the live, if you can go back, and usually it's
Speaker 3: done therapeutically, if you can see a little bit of
Speaker 3: the before and a little bit of the after, your
Speaker 3: perspective actually changes because you realize, as a parent, right,
Speaker 3: oh that wasn't a great Let's say a parent did
Speaker 3: something right, or a brother or a sister or like,
Speaker 3: oh that moment was really hard and that that hurt me,
Speaker 3: or that broke my heart, or but what you don't
Speaker 3: realize is the fight that they got into with their
Speaker 3: partner right before, or how stressed they were feeling, or
Speaker 3: what was going on. So when you can see things
Speaker 3: from a little bit of a different vantage point, that
Speaker 3: traumatic event that used to be crystallized and frozen in
Speaker 3: time starts to dissolve and give way to something new.
Speaker 3: And that's when you can look at it differently.
Speaker 2: I love that again, traumas individual and this took me
Speaker 2: a long time to understand that someone's trauma might be
Speaker 2: what you perceive as ginormous, and it might be physical,
Speaker 2: it can be emotional, it can be mental. And sometimes
Speaker 2: I think we're quick to dismiss our trauma because we're like, well,
Speaker 2: it was nothing, it's.
Speaker 3: No big deal, right. There wasn't like major sexual abuse,
Speaker 3: physical abuse, so you know, it was kind of not
Speaker 3: that bad. But even Gobora Mate talks about if the
Speaker 3: if a child is crying or screaming in a crib
Speaker 3: and a parent turns and walks away, that alone can
Speaker 3: be a traumatic event that could stick with you.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to go back to Gertrude now.
Speaker 3: Because Okay, yeah, Gertrude, So in my.
Speaker 2: Mind how I asked, like, can you visualize the situation?
Speaker 2: It is interesting like you were like I was in bed.
Speaker 2: It might have been a different conversation that I'm remembering
Speaker 2: you walking towards mom and Dad's room and passing our staircase,
Speaker 2: and I was you were going in and you're crying
Speaker 2: and you just like dropped to your knees and you
Speaker 2: were like.
Speaker 3: Why oh I did that at some point too, yeah, right.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was for the same thing.
Speaker 2: I think it might have been later in school you
Speaker 2: were getting bullied and you didn't feel like you were
Speaker 2: it was the right elementary school, middle school. I think
Speaker 2: that was like, actually, you know what that combo where
Speaker 2: you dropped your knees and cried. I think you were
Speaker 2: in seventh grade.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, you're remembering in seventh grade when I
Speaker 3: was going into eighth grade and I didn't want to
Speaker 3: go back to school, and we were actually at the
Speaker 3: manor and I came in your room and I was like,
Speaker 3: I was a mess. I said, I don't want to
Speaker 3: go back to school. I really don't like my school.
Speaker 3: And you were really helpful. You jumped into action because
Speaker 3: mom and dad were out that night and then they
Speaker 3: came home and you said, I think we need to
Speaker 3: do something. He's really, really, really upset. And you suggested
Speaker 3: the school that I ended up going to because you
Speaker 3: had close friends, and you said it was smaller. I
Speaker 3: think he's really gonna like it and thrive there. And
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 2: I thrived there. Thank you for Kenny and Jennifer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you went to bat for me on that one in.
Speaker 2: My moments, but the one okay, so the one where
Speaker 2: Michelle Lee dumped you.
Speaker 3: That was just in my room and you came in,
Speaker 3: but there were there were a few moments.
Speaker 2: But okay, Gertrude, So from your perspective, how did that work?
Speaker 3: From my perspective, I was land lines.
Speaker 2: Back then, guys, we had land lines.
Speaker 3: It was they would ring in the room. It was
Speaker 3: some sort of like weird push button intercom system that
Speaker 3: we had that probably looked like it was from the
Speaker 3: eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 2: Now. I just mean like everyone had landlines then and
Speaker 2: no one has them now. But you're correct, our house
Speaker 2: was a little different than not even land every bathroom
Speaker 2: in every room.
Speaker 3: That's right, but not only landlines. We had the rotaries
Speaker 3: back then the dial up, and if you missed a number,
Speaker 3: you would have to go all the way back, and
Speaker 3: if you were really excited, you would dial really fast
Speaker 3: and it would hurt your finger because there was that
Speaker 3: stopguard there, that metal stop guard, and when you were
Speaker 3: going really fast, you'd be like, ow, it hurts, but
Speaker 3: I can't wait to call my friend. Do you remember that?
Speaker 2: I do?
Speaker 3: And you know I love the long cord?
Speaker 2: You know I love so much? Right now? Is that
Speaker 2: you're just like me? Like, while we have social clips
Speaker 2: where you can see visuals, most of this is obviously
Speaker 2: just you can hear. It's audio, you hear us, but
Speaker 2: you and I are the same. Like when you're describing something,
Speaker 2: you literally make the hand motion oh yeah. I get
Speaker 2: made fun of that for years. I'm like literally showing
Speaker 2: something with my hands of what yeah, and making the
Speaker 2: sounds as I remember them.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, So Gertrude. So I was. I don't know
Speaker 3: if I was sick or I was upset about something,
Speaker 3: but somehow I went to dial the phone to call
Speaker 3: the operator or something, and there was this little voice
Speaker 3: on the end, Hello.
Speaker 2: Hello, It's Gertrue.
Speaker 3: Yep, and I who this? And then we start. This
Speaker 3: became a thirty minute long conversation with this old woman
Speaker 3: named Gertrude that I connected with. And then Gertrude, somehow.
Speaker 2: I think you were like getting bullied or something and something.
Speaker 3: It was something.
Speaker 2: It was something that like nothing was working the way
Speaker 2: everyone was saying it, and I felt like you needed
Speaker 2: like a mentor.
Speaker 3: So I the actress in you, was like, I'm going
Speaker 3: to play a character named Gertrude.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And it was interesting because when I called you
Speaker 2: very much like me. Now you know, I'm more like
Speaker 2: off the cuff and not like I'm not. I don't
Speaker 2: plan things. I didn't actually know the character or the
Speaker 2: voice I would use, just that I was going to
Speaker 2: be somebody calling you.
Speaker 3: It just came to you at the moment.
Speaker 2: You know you and I love a good prank.
Speaker 3: So we lasted for a couple of weeks and then
Speaker 3: it somehow.
Speaker 2: One tim right, but you responded to so much. And
Speaker 2: the funny, the ironic thing is is you know how
Speaker 2: much I hate the telephone, like, oh, free to get
Speaker 2: on the phone and back then oh oh, but I
Speaker 2: stepped up because I do step up for people I
Speaker 2: care about. I can't step up for myself, you do.
Speaker 2: I haven't stepped up for myself. I am currently working
Speaker 2: on stepping up for myself.
Speaker 3: Allow man, say it, say it?
Speaker 2: And I yeah, it was supposed to be like, you know,
Speaker 2: a cute two minute conversation. It went on for thirty minutes,
Speaker 2: and then you looked forward to hearing from Gertrude again,
Speaker 2: and you talked about her at the dinner table, and
Speaker 2: it was I was like, oh my gosh, it made
Speaker 2: such an impact that Gertrude had to call you back.
Speaker 3: Yep, that went on for you. And then I think
Speaker 3: it was only a few years ago I said something
Speaker 3: about Gertrude. I was like, was that you I didn't know,
Speaker 3: shut the fuck up? What No, seriously, I don't think
Speaker 3: you ever told me. Now, just let it go. And
Speaker 3: then at one point me, I thought.
Speaker 2: I hated him so much. I mean, again, keep in mind,
Speaker 2: we were, depending on the time of year, five to
Speaker 2: six years apart, so you know, there was a time
Speaker 2: when he was really young and I was like going
Speaker 2: through my breezing in your teen years, and he was
Speaker 2: just like, oh, she hates me.
Speaker 3: Your teen years were rough.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, But I had Gertrude in my back pocket.
Speaker 2: To be like, you know what. I know there's times
Speaker 2: where you think, you know, you're just the annoying little
Speaker 2: brother and I don't like you, but I love you
Speaker 2: so much. And that was an example of a way
Speaker 2: I could show you that I loved you, but I
Speaker 2: could never tell you because it would ruin the magic
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 3: Right, But that was sweet hello, true?
Speaker 2: Oh, just that you know. And I think eventually you
Speaker 2: were probably like what happened to Gertrude? And we were
Speaker 2: all like, well, she's old, she probably died. I don't know.
Speaker 3: And then I, yeah, you did not tell me that
Speaker 3: she died. She just went away, magically, she just went away.
Speaker 3: She went away.
Speaker 2: She didn't you call you on your birth I don't
Speaker 2: know it was it was?
Speaker 3: It was Gertrude. So what was it like for you
Speaker 3: growing because someone asked earlier Ruth Anne asked like, what
Speaker 3: what was it like growing up? Where? Torri?
Speaker 2: What are we still on in our childhood at times?
Speaker 3: Okay? So when you started nine o two one? Oh
Speaker 3: oh my god, I.
Speaker 2: Still want to talk about our childhood? Did we have
Speaker 2: to go there yet? No?
Speaker 3: Who are you talking to? You? Who did you just
Speaker 3: talk to? Who's Who's was? That like I talk out
Speaker 3: that was That was a very theatrical moment. Who is it?
Speaker 3: That is? Fourth? Great Oz, No, we don't have to
Speaker 3: go there. You lead this, I'll follow. I'll follow your lead.
Speaker 2: Okay, sure, Okay. Well, I just wanted a few more
Speaker 2: stories about our child because oh my gosh, there's so many,
Speaker 2: and I think people from the outside perspective probably have
Speaker 2: a very like that there's nothing relatable about our childhood
Speaker 2: to their childhood. But we still had the sibling relationship
Speaker 2: and we still had the like the fights, the fun times,
Speaker 2: like the things that are.
Speaker 3: All of it, all of it.
Speaker 2: Remember the time I.
Speaker 3: Tried to stab you. Do you remember what you tried
Speaker 3: to stab me with? Uh duh?
Speaker 2: A letter opener?
Speaker 3: The letter opener. And the strangest thing about you you
Speaker 3: were a little bit Remember how I talked about how
Speaker 3: Shannon was really strong. Yeah, you had some sort of
Speaker 3: weird when you gott yeah, and like you were slight.
Speaker 3: But when you got mad, you got crazy, you got
Speaker 3: the crazy eyes, you got very dramatic, and you came
Speaker 3: after me with the letter opener, and I thought I
Speaker 3: feared from my life. And the one time that you.
Speaker 2: Resolved it a timestamp, yere I was. I remember it was.
Speaker 2: We were at our first house, not the Manor. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we moved to the Manor when I was sixteen, so
Speaker 2: maybe it was fourteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fourteen, I would say, was I do on to math?
Speaker 2: You were home?
Speaker 3: I was nine or eight and a half.
Speaker 2: It was either seventh or eighth grade for me, and
Speaker 2: I had just hated the phone but wanted to blend in.
Speaker 2: And it was when like all of a sudden, I
Speaker 2: just started at an all girls school and I had
Speaker 2: this new set of friends. And every night you would
Speaker 2: be on aging myself here, try line and party line
Speaker 2: or now now I don't know. It's when you push
Speaker 2: a button your ad al and you merge people. Anyway,
Speaker 2: back at eight.
Speaker 3: Or nine, I was on tryline me.
Speaker 2: I was setting the scenes so you could like see right,
Speaker 2: and he would like I'd be on with my friends,
Speaker 2: and you know, it was a week night. It was
Speaker 2: a long day at school and then done homework. And
Speaker 2: I went to a really academic school where I totally
Speaker 2: stood out because I was not academic. I was creative,
Speaker 2: and it was a lot for me. Homework was it
Speaker 2: was hard, and I had a tutor. But then we'd
Speaker 2: had dinner, and after dinner, that was your moment, right,
Speaker 2: I could go up, you know, showered right for bed
Speaker 2: like Nanny had, you know, step the stage. Everybody get ready,
Speaker 2: and I could get on the phone with my friends
Speaker 2: for like an hour and everyone would be connecting. Everybody
Speaker 2: be talking anyhow, girls chat, and it's just like and
Speaker 2: and you would be at the door and I'd be
Speaker 2: sitting at my desk on the phone and I could
Speaker 2: facing the door was right next to me, to my left,
Speaker 2: and yeah, he would always be at the door, and
Speaker 2: he would always be listening. But he but he always
Speaker 2: wanted me to know he was there, like I could.
Speaker 2: I would not.
Speaker 3: So sad. Oh my god, I'm so okay, Okay, so
Speaker 3: go on with your story though, But I'd be.
Speaker 2: Like, I'd like cover the phone with my hand, old
Speaker 2: school phone, and I'd be like stop going like I
Speaker 2: didn't want to, it was embarrassing, and I'd be like
Speaker 2: then I'd put the phone down for a second. I
Speaker 2: opened the door and he'd be like just listening there
Speaker 2: and he'd be like and I'd be like, get away, leep,
Speaker 2: you have to go back go to your room, like
Speaker 2: and like stop and then it would get to the
Speaker 2: point that I would.
Speaker 3: Just go mad.
Speaker 2: I would go bat shit fucking crazy. And at that
Speaker 2: point that is when I threw hoping the tour grabbed
Speaker 2: my crystal king Arthur like sword in the stone, pulled
Speaker 2: it up my letter opener, and I ran out and
Speaker 2: tried to stab him. Right.
Speaker 3: Sorry, it was a release. It had to be done. No,
Speaker 3: so yes, for examples, I wasn't going to stab him
Speaker 3: literally though, the look in your eye, I get that look,
Speaker 3: so that look and it was the same look that
Speaker 3: that somehow, I don't remember what happened, but we were
Speaker 3: in the office slash other room, and I said something
Speaker 3: and you ran and lunged. I swear six feet in
Speaker 3: the air, and you, guys.
Speaker 2: I don't do cold activity. Even back then, I failed.
Speaker 2: Jim ped me. Look, yeah I did, from like.
Speaker 3: Ten feet away. I don't know. You were like a
Speaker 3: flying amazon frog. I don't know what happened.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you have to admit, like, I'm pretty.
Speaker 3: I don't see it now, But the eyes become beady,
Speaker 3: the pupils become small, huh. They jiggle back and forest, yes,
Speaker 3: to the point.
Speaker 2: Where I can't I can feel everything's moving and my
Speaker 2: whole body, like I'm looking at someone and everything's shaking
Speaker 2: it behind my eyes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it go, you go haywire, like something malfunctions and
Speaker 3: then you something takes over functions and that's it.
Speaker 2: So you know when that happened the last time, I
Speaker 2: don't well, I'm gonna tell you, Wow, you just connected
Speaker 2: so many dots. Today is the final fight Dean and
Speaker 2: I had before he put the Instagram posts saying we're
Speaker 2: in a divorce, and then he went to treatment and
Speaker 2: then you know that whole thing, the final fight when
Speaker 2: I was like okay, okay, and he was, you know,
Speaker 2: screaming and doing that, and I was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: take it and take it. Everything's fine, walk away, walk
Speaker 2: away away. And then he said one thing, because you
Speaker 2: know what, it's always I hear it, I take it.
Speaker 2: I'm like no, no, no, And this is probably what happened.
Speaker 2: You probably said one final thing that just went and
Speaker 2: that's when I I gutturally was just like fuck yeah
Speaker 2: and smash my baked potato across the kitchen with inhuman strength.
Speaker 2: No one to this day, my kids were the only
Speaker 2: ones that witnessed this. And Dean, I've ever seen a
Speaker 2: baked potato fly.
Speaker 3: Like that for the visual? Did you smash it first
Speaker 3: or did you just take it and throw it?
Speaker 2: Okay, so how.
Speaker 3: Did you crumple the potato and then throw it?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, it was you know, we like
Speaker 2: a good baked potato. And this, I think, what are
Speaker 2: the to me growing up? The three things that we
Speaker 2: were very like There were three things that we really
Speaker 2: loved that were made a certain way. And I'm blinking
Speaker 2: on what I just said the other day, but a
Speaker 2: baked potato because Mom would always make it a specific
Speaker 2: way and really make it the right way, which I
Speaker 2: have now passed on to my kids. They're always like, Mom,
Speaker 2: if we're out and your.
Speaker 3: Sandwiches like those sour dough sandwiches with the mayonnaise, and
Speaker 3: everything was perfect and you'd eating.
Speaker 2: To those mayonnaise and cheese and it seems so simple,
Speaker 2: you guys, but it was magic magic, And people are like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, and you know what it might be
Speaker 2: something like, oh, it's because your mom made it for you,
Speaker 2: and maybe it was that, and maybe my kids when
Speaker 2: I make a baked potatoes like my mom made it,
Speaker 2: you know what, I don't think it's she made the
Speaker 2: best sandwich and the tuna sandwich.
Speaker 3: I was telling someone this the other day, like the
Speaker 3: best Do you remember the soggy tuna sandwich that somehow
Speaker 3: sounds so gross but actually tastes so good with white
Speaker 3: refrigerator right, the leftover tuna sandwich so good. It is
Speaker 3: probably so disgusting for so many people, but yeah, it
Speaker 3: was a thing. So so the baked potato is sacred
Speaker 3: to you, and you took.
Speaker 2: What was the third thing that that were the same
Speaker 2: about baked potato tuna solad sandwich. I know you mentioned
Speaker 2: the cheese and tomato, but there was something else. It
Speaker 2: was something about blending things a certain way with a
Speaker 2: certain amount of each little dash of something that made
Speaker 2: it perfection. Do you remember it was?
Speaker 3: I don't remember what it was.
Speaker 2: Now now we just became. I took it from something
Speaker 2: that was super relatable and now just made us very unrelatable.
Speaker 3: Was it the steaks?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, oh oh I didn't. We got a
Speaker 3: snort though, So that's good.
Speaker 2: Having fun.
Speaker 3: So relatable. So you remember the nights that we would
Speaker 3: have caviar and it would be the bleanies and the
Speaker 3: sour cream and the chopped bag, and.
Speaker 2: You did have or toast point?
Speaker 3: What did it entail? Uh? Bread, white bread or little
Speaker 3: bleanies or toast points. I guess it was caviar, chopped
Speaker 3: egg yolk, caviar, maybe a little bit of chopped onion
Speaker 3: and lemon.
Speaker 2: Chopped egg, egg yolks. Yeah, like the eggs separated from
Speaker 2: the whites.
Speaker 3: Because you had to have said the egg yolk.
Speaker 2: We didn't say the whites.
Speaker 3: No, we didn't do the whites. Did you put whites on?
Speaker 2: Oh, you're right, I didn't. It was always offered though I.
Speaker 3: Like them real. Oh I never did the whites. It
Speaker 3: was always the crumbled yolk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, see, yeah, you did leave one thing off though,
Speaker 2: what oh the crumb brush.
Speaker 3: Didn't I say sour cream on the bread? Did I not?
Speaker 3: Did I just leave off sour cream? I thought that
Speaker 3: was the first thing I said. Replay, I don't. I
Speaker 3: don't care the replace.
Speaker 2: I don't care if I'm right, but I'm superfering competitive.
Speaker 2: Oh that's gonna send me over that edge. We're gonna
Speaker 2: let it mark my words. We're gonna listen back to this.
Speaker 2: You did not say sour cream.
Speaker 3: The relatability factor right now through the roof.
Speaker 2: My kids won't let me put celery in the tuna.
Speaker 2: Mom always put celery in the tuna. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: it really bothers me.
Speaker 3: It bothers you crunch.
Speaker 2: Can we talk about pickles?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Are you a pickle person or no pickle? I
Speaker 3: don't know this about you. What you love pickles?
Speaker 2: My brother isn't.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: If I like pickles, I don't. I think you like
Speaker 3: pick you have you have to go there? Huh Oh,
Speaker 3: I thought you were making some sort of reference. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you only like girkin pickles.
Speaker 2: If I was making a sexual reference, it wouldn't be girkins.
Speaker 2: I would like aka cornishans because they're very smart.
Speaker 3: I'm too used to you. I right, fine, So the gurkins,
Speaker 3: for anyone who doesn't know, are very small, miniature.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the fund see way isians.
Speaker 3: Cornishan which I don't know. Who eats gurking I don't
Speaker 3: even I don't see them served, I don't. I'm just
Speaker 3: like a normal pickle, like a Deli pickle. Do you
Speaker 3: eat Deli pickles or you only eat Cornischans?
Speaker 2: Well, since you don't know this about me, I'm a
Speaker 2: pickle advocate.
Speaker 3: A pickle advocate I'm going to go with that advocate
Speaker 3: for the pickles. Is this only on weekends or is
Speaker 3: this like a weekly thing too, Oh it's a free time.
Speaker 2: No, it is. I'm a pickle lover.
Speaker 3: In fact, my stage okay what stage of pickle?
Speaker 2: I just like any pickle. But but I do like
Speaker 2: like you know, on like a cheeseboard, a graysboard, charcuterie board,
Speaker 2: relatability board, you know, I like a good you know
Speaker 2: they have a little the little ones, the little do
Speaker 2: you know? Bow makes me do taste tests. We have
Speaker 2: pickle taste tests. That's how much he loves chi.
Speaker 3: I love taste tests. Those are the best. What else
Speaker 3: do you do it with?
Speaker 2: Oh, peeps on Easter?
Speaker 3: Oh that's a hard no for me. Well duh, you
Speaker 3: know right, okay, you do taste tests of peeps because
Speaker 3: there are certain peeps that taste different. Is in it all?
Speaker 3: Just like colored marshmallow and different colors?
Speaker 2: Okay, everyone's like, what.
Speaker 3: Right they now there's now other flavors of peeps.
Speaker 2: Whoa, they haven't been the same, like yellow, blue and
Speaker 2: pink with one labor the basic marshmallow for like twenty years. Ps.
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know. You know, I don't do the thing.
Speaker 3: I see those and I'm like hard pass yep, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: no way.
Speaker 2: And I'm the person that's like, whoa, there's a new
Speaker 2: peep and I get so excited that I do the
Speaker 2: happy dance in the aisle, like if I'm a target
Speaker 2: or like Vonts wherever I am.
Speaker 3: Of new peeps? Do they taste differents they do? Do
Speaker 3: you still do McDonald shamrock shakes every year?
Speaker 2: Beverly Hills Peeps shamrocks?
Speaker 3: Do you do them together? Because it's around I mean,
Speaker 3: do you have like shamrock Shake Month with peeps and
Speaker 3: you just like bite the head off a peep and
Speaker 3: drink some of the shamrock shake.
Speaker 2: You're disgusting.
Speaker 3: Oh that's the absolutely not.
Speaker 2: But we did growing up, correct have shamrock shakes every
Speaker 2: time they came in in March every year.
Speaker 3: It was you loved him more than me. I liked it,
Speaker 3: but you got so excited that I would just get
Speaker 3: excited that you were excited, and I would go to McDonald.
Speaker 2: So excited about food and drinks there. It's just like
Speaker 2: a so do you by the love he is? He's
Speaker 2: a total foodie.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just eat a certain way, a different
Speaker 3: a different, a different way. But I still get excited
Speaker 3: about food just the same.
Speaker 2: So going back before you eat, before you ate a
Speaker 2: different way and you ate everything. We do have similar
Speaker 2: paletts though. That's one thing we have in common, like
Speaker 2: we always appreciated flavor and got excited. And wait, I
Speaker 2: don't remember did you like strawberry or chocolate milkshakes McDonald's
Speaker 2: when we were little.
Speaker 3: I didn't even like the milkshakes. I liked the right now, Oh,
Speaker 3: Sundays Sundays with the.
Speaker 2: Caramel and car you had caramel and peanuts, ice strawberry.
Speaker 3: Your strawberry couldn't do the strawberry. But you also liked
Speaker 3: the big Mac. I couldn't stand the big Mac. I
Speaker 3: didn't like it.
Speaker 2: Then you didn't, uh no, did you eat mc rib?
Speaker 2: And then I switched it up once in a while.
Speaker 3: I do flairs way back when ate mac rib when
Speaker 3: we were kids, I ate MA.
Speaker 2: I ate mc rib before it was a thing, before
Speaker 2: it became a limited edition never coming.
Speaker 3: Back last year. All right, So here's it was always.
Speaker 2: On the menus, what did you eat.
Speaker 3: Before the mick Rib? Because I think the mid rib
Speaker 3: came out there wasn't always the nick rib like an appetizer.
Speaker 3: She throw down a couple of cheeseburgers.
Speaker 2: I was like, great, wait, let's go back.
Speaker 3: What what did we start with?
Speaker 2: I was like, well, first we go to the drink
Speaker 2: fountains and we get mountain dew. Always mountain dew were just.
Speaker 3: Like mountain dew a taco bell.
Speaker 2: Why are you pretending you're not my sibling.
Speaker 3: I'm not. I don't remember the soda thing and you.
Speaker 2: Okay, I tried to We're going to listen to this,
Speaker 2: so please.
Speaker 3: I first of all, I never liked mountain dew. I
Speaker 3: always thought it was disgusting. I liked pepsi or coke,
Speaker 3: and you liked seven up sometimes or sprite? Right?
Speaker 2: Did I doctor pele win my entire life?
Speaker 3: Okay, do you remember this? Tell me I'm gonna pull
Speaker 3: this out. Do you know what I'm going to talk about? Aspen?
Speaker 3: The Apple soda? And then there was one can sitting
Speaker 3: on the shelf.
Speaker 2: And I actually got super like, you said, we're gonna
Speaker 2: say ass and I didn't know what was coming, and
Speaker 2: I was like, I've worn off on him so much.
Speaker 3: Shoot, okay, now do you remember the soda that they
Speaker 3: had for a while that was apple soda, and then
Speaker 3: they the one can.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: You saved it and it stayed on the shelf, and
Speaker 3: every time i'd go in the playroom, I just see aspen.
Speaker 3: We didn't have a heart or something on it. You
Speaker 3: loved it.
Speaker 2: It was green.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was green. Oh you know what?
Speaker 2: So oh boy, that is so it was a crisp
Speaker 2: apple soda. I'm gonna say crisp you guys, because it
Speaker 2: was refreshing and it wasn't and you might think like, oh,
Speaker 2: apple soda, Like are we talking Martinelli's. We're not talking Martinelli's.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like an apple juice.
Speaker 3: It was like, it wasn't a sparkling apple juice.
Speaker 2: It was a soda, right, But it was just that
Speaker 2: crisp flavor. It was clear, and there was something light
Speaker 2: and refreshing about I'm salivating right now over our soda
Speaker 2: that was like forty years ago.
Speaker 3: I was like, there's something light and refreshing about that.
Speaker 3: That artificial apple essence that they put in it.
Speaker 2: It was artificial. It was our whole childhood, right, God,
Speaker 2: it was so beautiful. The first Mexican food we ever
Speaker 2: had was taco bell and We loved it so much
Speaker 2: that to this day when we when I go with
Speaker 2: everyone and have like authentic home cooked Mexican food and restaurants,
Speaker 2: and it's just like I'm always like, do you have
Speaker 2: ground beef right?
Speaker 3: And they're like, you know like what.
Speaker 2: They're like, No, we have you know, amazing wagoo and
Speaker 2: we you know Kobe beef for like you know, no,
Speaker 2: we have like brilliant like great meat that is.
Speaker 3: You know what Mexican restaurant are you going to that
Speaker 3: has wog? You say that again? Wag you? Wag you?
Speaker 3: How do you say that?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 3: I'm just curious.
Speaker 2: Because I thought that he just called me out my ship.
Speaker 2: I totally just made that up right, I mean, douve
Speaker 2: I've had it like when there's like a fusion restaurant.
Speaker 3: Right right, that's true, that's true. That is true. One
Speaker 3: one little taco with like a radish on a radish.
Speaker 3: You're like, that's really tasty.
Speaker 2: It's the one waggy bait.
Speaker 3: Wait, so go on, what were you saying? Sorry? Sorry?
Speaker 2: Okay, So so you like taco bell strip I don't know, like,
Speaker 2: are you happy now?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: But if it's in I'd be like I would always
Speaker 2: say is the steak real? And they'd be like, what
Speaker 2: are you talking about? Like, growing up, we go to
Speaker 2: like El Turedo or El Cholo or like what Sole Luna, Like, yeah, Mexically.
Speaker 2: Now I'm like I'm broadening our horizons here in La
Speaker 2: but yeah, and they'd be like real and I was like,
Speaker 2: oh no. And then you know, I'd be like, is
Speaker 2: it like sliced up steak or do you perchance have
Speaker 2: ground beef?
Speaker 3: It was harder to find the ground beef.
Speaker 2: You can't find the ground beef.
Speaker 3: But that's what we were used to.
Speaker 2: It's all I knew. Bell always had the grand beef.
Speaker 3: And at our birthday parties, I remember. I remember this
Speaker 3: because Mom didn't eat McDonald's, right, she didn't and really
Speaker 3: didn't love that we loved McDonald's. However, she wanted us
Speaker 3: to have what we wanted at our birthday parties with
Speaker 3: our friends. So she let us have McDonald's or whatever
Speaker 3: at the birthday parties because she knew that we loved
Speaker 3: it so much.
Speaker 2: This is true. And on the weekends on Saturday, that
Speaker 2: was like a big.
Speaker 3: Treat, you know, or like a family friend would take
Speaker 3: us out, yeah, for somewhere they'd be like, where do
Speaker 3: you want to go? Do you want to go to
Speaker 3: Hamburger Hamlet? And we'd be like, can we go to
Speaker 3: Taco Bell Dolores though, Oh Dolores's was so great.
Speaker 2: Berger. So there was a drive in.
Speaker 3: I never went to the drive in, but you Beverly.
Speaker 2: And then they had one in Sana Manka, which I
Speaker 2: believe is still there. It was there. I don't know
Speaker 2: after COVID but I don't know. Oh that's right, you
Speaker 2: don't live here anymore. But yeah, so our mom do
Speaker 2: you know this part that? So there was this It
Speaker 2: was like what you guys would think of, like a
Speaker 2: not fifties diner. I guess what it was like a
Speaker 2: coffee shop, a coffee shop.
Speaker 3: Not even in and out. No, it was like a
Speaker 3: like a real deal diner shop. But burgers were that like,
Speaker 3: that was what they.
Speaker 2: Were known for.
Speaker 3: They were known for the JJ and the susi Q
Speaker 3: French fries, which were the curly twisty fries, but not
Speaker 3: the battered ones. They were just like curly twisty fries.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is like curly fries and jack in them.
Speaker 3: And you liked the drink, didn't you? I never got
Speaker 3: it the cherry lime rickey or something right.
Speaker 2: Yes, so much. By the way, the og burger there,
Speaker 2: the JJ burger. You could liken to what the big map.
Speaker 3: It was like their form of a back with crabby patty.
Speaker 3: What's that? A krabby patty?
Speaker 2: I can't. He hasn't watched TV anymore, you guys. His
Speaker 2: kids don't watch TV. I cannot SpongeBob yo.
Speaker 3: I'm just this boring old guy who's into like philosophy
Speaker 3: and meditation and I don't. I don't watch a lot
Speaker 3: of TV.
Speaker 2: I need one of you in my life because I
Speaker 2: balance it everything. Oh no, I'm.
Speaker 3: Sitting here in your bed.
Speaker 2: That'd be weird and my brother being about like as
Speaker 2: a partner in Oh.
Speaker 3: I see, okay, so you're going with I see.
Speaker 2: I found someone who blended my love of everything, your
Speaker 2: love of everything came together.
Speaker 3: Here's the question. Would you be attracted to a me,
Speaker 3: not your brother, me, but not not not me as
Speaker 3: your brother, but like someone who isn't a philosophy and
Speaker 3: meditates and whatever? Or would you be like he's so boring?
Speaker 3: He said, I don't know what's happening. I've always liked
Speaker 3: to shock people. Did I just get shocked.
Speaker 2: Nopeet I didn't let me see if I could phrase
Speaker 2: it right, He's like, oh fuck, she's gonna see it
Speaker 2: right now. I used to love to shock people, like
Speaker 2: as you know, you know, there you go.
Speaker 3: So yeh.
Speaker 2: When we later in life, like became like best friends,
Speaker 2: all of our friends. This is in our twenties because miraculously,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he hit twenty one and I'm
Speaker 2: still in my twenties. You know, I'm twenty six, and
Speaker 2: it's like, wait, he's no longer the little brother that
Speaker 2: I'm like get away, or like, okay, I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: the big sister. It was like even playing field. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we all of a sudden really truly became best friends,
Speaker 2: which at times I would he was so much my
Speaker 2: best friend. I would literally call him after like I
Speaker 2: hooked up with a guy, which weren't that many but
Speaker 2: I and I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: It was as if I was gossiping to a best girlfriend.
Speaker 2: I was like okay, and you know me, I like
Speaker 2: to give you a visual, so I'm like okay. Then
Speaker 2: this happened next, and then this next.
Speaker 3: You were so detail oriented with all of it, and
Speaker 3: especially if there was a drinker or involved. You would
Speaker 3: call me from Canada and different things, and you would
Speaker 3: just tell me so many details.
Speaker 2: Every sexual detail that happened. And my poor brother is
Speaker 2: so kind. He would listen to me, and then I
Speaker 2: would I would get a vibe over the phone or
Speaker 2: in person, you or in person you always go you
Speaker 2: give that look, and then I'd keep going, and.
Speaker 3: Then I scaring him for life.
Speaker 2: Okay, but that's not what I was going to say.
Speaker 1: That shock.
Speaker 2: So we'd be out, we all be best friends, and
Speaker 2: we'd be drinking, and I know that people would be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is just gonna blow minds. Do you remember I
Speaker 2: go over and kiss you on the lips?
Speaker 3: No? I I that that I stuffed that deep down somewhere.
Speaker 1: What like you know, when let me turn like dad
Speaker 1: kissed us on the lips?
Speaker 3: Do you mean like that like a high lover? Wah,
Speaker 3: you better clarify that. No, that's no. He called everyone babe.
Speaker 3: He called everyone lover, and it was an endearing term,
Speaker 3: and he would give these kisses on the lips. He
Speaker 3: just it was an endearing thing. It was just like
Speaker 3: a loving quality.
Speaker 2: Then actually maybe he felt like it was like I
Speaker 2: don't know, in like such a super old school way.
Speaker 3: There wasn't anything weird about it. It was very normal.
Speaker 3: But you would come over and just kiss me on
Speaker 3: the lips.
Speaker 2: It was a little different than that, but it was
Speaker 2: for shock. It's like when Okay, let me set the state,
Speaker 2: like remember when you were like all out with their friends.
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna talk to you like you're my best girlfriend.
Speaker 2: So except you were probably there and like girls would
Speaker 2: be like, oh my god, look at the guys, like
Speaker 2: the boys like you're all drinking and it's like ones
Speaker 2: you don't know, and you're like, we're gonna shock them,
Speaker 2: and they're gonna.
Speaker 3: Be so like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: So you would kiss your best girlfriends And yeah.
Speaker 3: So is that this is gonna be some sort of
Speaker 3: headline in the Spelling family to Tory kiss his brother
Speaker 3: on the lips in front of everyone repeatedly, that was
Speaker 3: just a shock. And I don't remember that I did.
Speaker 2: And it was like a prank. And because we both
Speaker 2: loved pranks, or.
Speaker 3: Did right right, right, we did, we did it.
Speaker 2: Ranks me when he arrived today, Actually.
Speaker 3: Oh I did did? I sure did?
Speaker 2: What'd you say?
Speaker 3: I said? There was a cameraman down the street that
Speaker 3: was asking if this house was doing only fans because
Speaker 3: of a comment you made about only fans, to which
Speaker 3: your hair went back and went what what were they?
Speaker 3: And I said, no, I'm just kidding, and you were like,
Speaker 3: why would you?
Speaker 2: And I went to like mama bear mode and like
Speaker 2: was like walking and pacing the windows. I'm like, where's
Speaker 2: the where's the paparazzi? I love that you call it
Speaker 2: a camera man. You're so old.
Speaker 3: I'm so old. I love that it's like camera woman,
Speaker 3: phone person, what do you what do you say? No?
Speaker 2: Oh, I wasn't even taking it to like I wasn't
Speaker 2: sexualizing it or putting it towards like you know, how
Speaker 2: do you refer to yourself camera woman, cameraman? I was
Speaker 2: just like the paparazzi, pops. I feel like brothers and sisters,
Speaker 2: like family. There's different paths in life that you have
Speaker 2: moments that are connected, not connected, but always connected.
Speaker 3: I think, if I'm understanding this correctly, you're you're referring
Speaker 3: to the differences of how how how there's similarities. You
Speaker 3: could see all the similarities that we've talked about and
Speaker 3: how different we are, Like I live in Portland. I
Speaker 3: left the entertainment business. I'm a life coach. I eat
Speaker 3: all you know, like no refined sugar, gluten free, dairy free.
Speaker 3: I work out daily. I my kids don't have a phone.
Speaker 2: It's owned out like a minute ago.
Speaker 3: So ran you, you know, totally did a one eighty.
Speaker 3: Like put it this way between you and me, and
Speaker 3: no judgment. No I don't mean this, but like I
Speaker 3: go into the bathroom and I'm going to pee, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh shit, I don't know if there's pea
Speaker 3: still in there. I don't know if that was bo
Speaker 3: or someone, and like there's some sort of toilet paper
Speaker 3: with something next to and then like the trash can
Speaker 3: is stuffed and there's McDonald's in there, and I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, oka true, Like like my you just.
Speaker 3: No I know, but I'm saying that that's no. Like
Speaker 3: I am not anal in cleanliness, but there is a
Speaker 3: massive difference between you.
Speaker 2: Can After the Shatner episode that just came out recently,
Speaker 2: I cannot believe you just said that. Say it again more.
Speaker 3: Time, which part anally clean? Oh my gosh, you did
Speaker 3: not have me repeat that, and I felt I stepped
Speaker 3: right into it.
Speaker 2: Bingo, bitch, still got it? I still got it. You
Speaker 2: said you're not anally cleanliness.
Speaker 3: I'm not anal about my cleanliness in terms of how
Speaker 3: I keep things at home, but it is definitely there's
Speaker 3: a semblance and there's an order.
Speaker 2: Why was the look in your eyes like like checkmate? Bitch?
Speaker 3: No, I'm not trying to checkmate you.
Speaker 2: I don't know chess, just the game. I know, life chess.
Speaker 2: I I'm a good player, but but technically I don't know.
Speaker 3: But life chess. Oh, I'm real good like strategic. Is
Speaker 3: that what you mean?
Speaker 2: I think I'm when I want to be. Yeah, not
Speaker 2: for myself, m for I think I'm really good in business,
Speaker 2: like knowing the right next move ending on your opponent. Okay,
Speaker 2: and I'm very good at being like Okay, I hear
Speaker 2: you and I four are Sunger Battleship. Oh we love
Speaker 2: those games. I love Sorry, he was a notorious cheater.
Speaker 2: You guys, you cheated games. I'm not even doing this
Speaker 2: with you. Call mom right now. You cheated in every
Speaker 2: game we played, and then if we got if we
Speaker 2: called you on it, you started hysterically crying. And you
Speaker 2: were a little cute and blonde and like with big
Speaker 2: blue eyes that were tearing up, and everyone be like, oh.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, but here's the thing. Here's the thing. I
Speaker 3: think that paid off because right now, and I am honest,
Speaker 3: I would never let you win.
Speaker 2: She was like, and I do that with my kids.
Speaker 2: I took note like.
Speaker 3: She was like, well, like you have to learn, you
Speaker 3: have to learn.
Speaker 2: No, And I fairly won.
Speaker 3: And it's like, right, But I think it paid off
Speaker 3: because now I am honest to a fault, like I
Speaker 3: cannot be dishonest. I feel like I can't like it.
Speaker 3: I have to be authentic. I have to be on it.
Speaker 3: It works me if I'm not, it pains me if
Speaker 3: I'm not. So maybe I had to cheat a little
Speaker 3: when I was little to get to the honesty part.
Speaker 2: I can't believe you didn't remember the asthmam okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: So wait, going back to not like anally messy? Is
Speaker 2: what you said?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, don't. I don't even know why we're
Speaker 3: harping on this. All I said was.
Speaker 2: You walked into my bathroom and there is.
Speaker 3: Like a yeah there it was. It's a do Sam,
Speaker 3: it's a hot mess in there. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 3: I mean, there's there there's a lot going on in there.
Speaker 3: Even asked if I was allowed to flush the toilet.
Speaker 2: Oh that's why.
Speaker 3: That's why, because there was still pe in there, and
Speaker 3: I thought if it wasn't flush that maybe there was
Speaker 3: a problem because one of the other bathrooms, I was
Speaker 3: told by what if your kids not to flush the toilet.
Speaker 3: So I just said, maybe I'll use another bathroom.
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3: Which bathroom, I don't know. This was last time I
Speaker 3: was here a few weeks ago. They were like, oh, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: don't don't flush this toilet. There's a problem with it.
Speaker 2: So I was like, okay, we've had some some toilet issues.
Speaker 2: There's there's six of us in the house. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of shit. So anyway, or you were worried maybe
Speaker 2: maybe my water bill had been cut off, and like
Speaker 2: I just understood.
Speaker 3: No, I was more I just didn't want to overflow anything.
Speaker 3: And you know, and and there's McDonald's in a lot
Speaker 3: of the trash receptacles.
Speaker 2: Trash receptacles.
Speaker 3: I did, akay, there's.
Speaker 2: One trash can in the bathroom.
Speaker 3: You have multiple bathrooms?
Speaker 2: Oh, fair points, fair points? Yeah, well I did make
Speaker 2: a mad dash. Hey, do you remember like in my
Speaker 2: apartments specifically that we would have like always had parties
Speaker 2: at myartment, right, and I would decorate, we had some
Speaker 2: fun part.
Speaker 3: We had great ones brownies always and that oh the
Speaker 3: pot brownies actually awful.
Speaker 2: I love that story.
Speaker 3: Of the pot brownie and falls.
Speaker 2: Dad and mom because like our parents were like so supportive,
Speaker 2: like you wouldn't think like Aaron and Handy Spelling would come.
Speaker 3: Over to a Halloween. It was a Halloween Lloreen.
Speaker 2: Party at my second apartment, and it was just all
Speaker 2: of my friends. It was you and your friends.
Speaker 3: And it was like I was a sor in high
Speaker 3: school and you had made pot brownies and you had
Speaker 3: made them once before and I tried it and it
Speaker 3: was like I didn't feel that much. So this time
Speaker 3: you made it and you did some sort of concoction
Speaker 3: with like you cooked it in the butter first, and
Speaker 3: you made a lot of them. And by the time
Speaker 3: I got.
Speaker 2: Chris cream trees, I was always always decorated, like I
Speaker 2: was obsessed and back then, like I have very chic style.
Speaker 2: I get that from my mom. But I also like
Speaker 2: loved a great like kind of Christmas vacation. Nope, like uh, christmasification,
Speaker 2: like the one where it's like a hut just over
Speaker 2: the top, cheesy like and you go that route. So
Speaker 2: here's the thing. Your friends know you, they know your taste.
Speaker 2: You either go one way and you make it super
Speaker 2: chic and you're like, ah hah, that's it's expectant. It's great,
Speaker 2: or you're like, I'm going to go the other direction.
Speaker 2: Everything that's kind of like, you know, it was like
Speaker 2: plastic lit up reindeers and multicolor ballbs, wasn't It was great?
Speaker 2: It was great, and we would have like fun treats
Speaker 2: and I always you know, yeah, I always had fun stuff.
Speaker 2: We would do white elephant parties anyway. It was all
Speaker 2: that stuff. But I think it's just so cool to
Speaker 2: think that there's this party and like, who would think
Speaker 2: that we would invite one invite our parents. That's how
Speaker 2: close we were with our parents. We were like, yeah,
Speaker 2: come to the party, and like Aaron Spelling, like coming.
Speaker 3: They had something to do, so they I thought they
Speaker 3: weren't going to come and they were going somewhere. Actually,
Speaker 3: I don't even think you told me that you invited them.
Speaker 2: No, probably not.
Speaker 3: I think you just you were come by. No, no, no,
Speaker 3: you were getting ready for the party and doing things party,
Speaker 3: so you had just had them and you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: we tried one. You know they're not that strong, don't worry.
Speaker 3: So my friend Jordan and I and I remember Brian
Speaker 3: was there too, but Jordan and I were like, okay,
Speaker 3: we all ate one, and then I wasn't feeling anything
Speaker 3: after twenty minutes.
Speaker 2: Listen, I didn't know.
Speaker 3: They said it wasn't strong. I didn't, so I ate
Speaker 3: another one. And then all I know is about fifteen
Speaker 3: minutes later, after I'm too in, you came to me
Speaker 3: when you were like, holy shit, they're so strong. They're
Speaker 3: five times stronger than they were last time. And I panicked.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if any I mean, it's been
Speaker 3: a long time since I have felt anything different than
Speaker 3: how I feel now, but I remember from you saying
Speaker 3: that it somehow flipped something in my brain. And then
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I'm starting to feel something. And
Speaker 3: then I looked in your eyes and you were like
Speaker 3: I was scared. Holy shit. And then all of a
Speaker 3: sudden everything morphed and changed, and I this ceiling felt
Speaker 3: like it was coming down on me, and you I
Speaker 3: got this wrong.
Speaker 2: Run what is I didn't know. I was like an
Speaker 2: amateur at the time, Like I didn't know about like
Speaker 2: weed now people call it, but back then it was
Speaker 2: like pot. So we hit pot brownies and it wasn't
Speaker 2: And I remember like someone on set had told me
Speaker 2: about it, and I was like, oh, that sounds fun,
Speaker 2: and I didn't know. But basically I didn't know that
Speaker 2: if you just like I used to be like, okay,
Speaker 2: you crush it up and throw it in and it
Speaker 2: tasted like crap, like because you just had like leafy
Speaker 2: things crushed. It was like a regano in there. But yeah,
Speaker 2: if you do it with the butter thing, it really
Speaker 2: makes it strong. I didn't know, or I would have
Speaker 2: told him because this is when we were like I
Speaker 2: wasn't like trying to like fuck with my younger brother.
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, this is good and but yeah,
Speaker 2: but I remember somebody came over to me and was
Speaker 2: like whoa.
Speaker 3: Right, So then you panicked.
Speaker 2: So then it was a Domino th book across the
Speaker 2: room and I see him and we lock eyes and
Speaker 2: I'm like.
Speaker 3: And then yeah, you were like, don't eat more than one.
Speaker 3: They're so strong, And then I panicked and I and
Speaker 3: then Jordan, we were like, we just ate two and
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden I felt it and then
Speaker 3: I start laughing. Jordan starts laughing, Brian starts laughing, and
Speaker 3: then I look at the vestibule area and mom and
Speaker 3: Dad walk in and thirty for one second.
Speaker 2: Sorry at the time, this is uh the infamous Wilshire
Speaker 2: the Wilshare, which had four condos on each floor. So
Speaker 2: if you had a condot, an elevator that came from
Speaker 2: the bottom and it went right up into what we
Speaker 2: called the vestibule.
Speaker 3: And Charlie Sheen was living Farrah Faucet right everybody. So
Speaker 3: they walk in, they walk in right.
Speaker 2: As I tell you. And for anyone that's ever dabbled
Speaker 2: with weed, like you, someone can tak you in a second,
Speaker 2: like you can be smoking some or whatever ingesting it.
Speaker 2: And if you look at your bestie and this is
Speaker 2: you know, we were in our twenties and you look
Speaker 2: at your bestie.
Speaker 3: You're like, okay, do you feel seventeen something like that.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry about that, but yeah, look at me trying
Speaker 2: I'm trying to be pc.
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, but fine, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: He was when he was four, yeah, so right, right, right, so,
Speaker 2: but you know that moment, like back then, like you
Speaker 2: would have that moment where you could be having like
Speaker 2: you we were always paranoid, like we grew up paranoid.
Speaker 2: So I'd be like, okay, I feel this is this normal?
Speaker 2: Is this normal? And everyone would be like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's great. Yeah, you know you're you're fine. But there's
Speaker 2: the alternative. If someone is quote unquote high and they're
Speaker 2: having what you would quote unquote called a good trip,
Speaker 2: like you can take them if you're like, oh, this
Speaker 2: is super strong, I'm not okay, and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, it's like a domino effect and the person
Speaker 2: I don't even know how this starts in someone's body,
Speaker 2: but the person next to you, they can go from
Speaker 2: feeling fine to be like, oh shit, I'm not okay,
Speaker 2: which is exactly what I did to you.
Speaker 3: Yep. And then mom and dad walk in, and then
Speaker 3: I was trying to talk to damn that moment. But
Speaker 3: the hardest part wasn't I don't remember anything that he
Speaker 3: was saying, but for some reason, and I lived with him,
Speaker 3: but for some reason, he was talking to me for
Speaker 3: about what seemed like an hour, and he was really
Speaker 3: talking to me and I was trying so hard to
Speaker 3: focus on what he was saying, and literally I heard
Speaker 3: this educat and I was.
Speaker 2: Charlie Brown teacher.
Speaker 3: I was freaking out. I was literally talking myself out
Speaker 3: of a panic attack.
Speaker 2: Act you did so well. I'm so sorry. I didn't
Speaker 2: mean to do that too.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. But some of my best memories, just
Speaker 3: to say this really quick, was your lasagnas and the
Speaker 3: dinner parties. Not the big parties. Those were fun where
Speaker 3: you had like twenty people over, but it was yeah,
Speaker 3: but it was it was more of like, we're having
Speaker 3: eight people over and we would get a bottle of wine, right.
Speaker 3: And I remember at one point specifically, you had gone
Speaker 3: through a breakup and I would come over to your
Speaker 3: apartment and you I was reading these spiritual books and
Speaker 3: then you were like, I'm going to sit down with
Speaker 3: a good book, and you were started reading a couple
Speaker 3: of the books that I was reading, and you had
Speaker 3: and you just had gotten these little reading glasses, and
Speaker 3: I remember you on the couch and I was trying
Speaker 3: to convince you it was because our dad didn't fly right,
Speaker 3: and we always heard classmates go to Hawaii, so and
Speaker 3: I think you went once with nine oh two one
Speaker 3: oho before and I was like, I'm going to Hawaii
Speaker 3: and at first you I asked you to go, and
Speaker 3: you were like, no, I'm not, you know, I'm there's
Speaker 3: something about the relationship. And then you broke up. I
Speaker 3: don't remember who you were with, but you had broken
Speaker 3: up in your relationship, and and you were home reading
Speaker 3: a book drinking wine and I was like, Tea, I'm
Speaker 3: going to Maui in a few weeks. Why don't you
Speaker 3: come with me? And you said, you know what, Yes,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna come. And for me, I was like this
Speaker 3: is amazing. And we went to Maui together. That was
Speaker 3: our first time, right, and that was like our special place.
Speaker 2: That became I mean, we became traveling companions for many
Speaker 2: many years, even in relationships. Yeah, you'd be with a girlfriend,
Speaker 2: I'd be with a boyfriend and the four of us
Speaker 2: would go and it's like, wait, are you going with
Speaker 2: your best friend? And no, I'm going with my brother
Speaker 2: and his girlfriend, like you know, like yeah, we always
Speaker 2: travel together.
Speaker 3: So those times I love traveling with you, Like we
Speaker 3: made great travel partners, and those times of just like
Speaker 3: the simplest, such good memories of like the food, the cooking,
Speaker 3: the home, the reading, the talking.
Speaker 2: Shit, I'm human.
Speaker 3: Look, oh my god, I got tears.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is weird.
Speaker 3: Whoa well?
Speaker 2: You told me the other day when if that happens
Speaker 2: not to say like stop it, let it go. I can't.
Speaker 3: I won't repress it. You talk yourself out of it.
Speaker 2: It's not waterproof MASc here. No. Look, I'm a good,
Speaker 2: super uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: It was a simpler time.
Speaker 2: Really, miss ye Well. I wanted to say traveling with you,
Speaker 2: but it's like that's like there's so it was just
Speaker 2: as hard, like you moved to Portland, like that was
Speaker 2: like that changed my life and your life, your life
Speaker 2: for the better.
Speaker 3: It's it's hard. It's hard not being here. It's hard, right,
Speaker 3: I mean to be honest, watch it. It's always weird
Speaker 3: for me looking at your life because sometimes I look
Speaker 3: at it through other filters, like I know you as
Speaker 3: you you're my sister. But you know, I get a
Speaker 3: lot of people writing me, or there's headlines or there's
Speaker 3: different things.
Speaker 2: Remember one time you were like sorry, cut you off.
Speaker 2: I was filming in Malta and you had seen I mean,
Speaker 2: how many times did people put headlines up about Dina
Speaker 2: Gang a divorce. It was like since we married and
Speaker 2: you texted me and you were like, ye, is it true?
Speaker 2: Like like is something happening. I mean, obviously I would
Speaker 2: tell you before I did it, but like, and I
Speaker 2: was like, no, there's writing another thing. But you were like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I figure. I remember saying this. I figured, but I
Speaker 2: just don't know because we don't. I live in LA
Speaker 2: you live in Portland. You're raising your family. I'm raising
Speaker 2: my family.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: I'm a sucky communicator. I suck allow me.
Speaker 3: To you're you're allow me to have it. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 3: I won't fight you on that. You are not the
Speaker 3: best at communication or staying in touch.
Speaker 2: Yep, my own brother like show yep.
Speaker 3: But I'm here. I haven't gone anywhere. You never do,
Speaker 3: even though I'm in Portland. You know I'm here. I
Speaker 3: will hold it down. I've got you. I always have
Speaker 3: always looked up to you. Always was the younger brother
Speaker 3: and always will be, even at times if I become
Speaker 3: the older brother.
Speaker 2: I call them the older brother all the time because
Speaker 2: you're really wise, You're really it's beautiful. It's everything I
Speaker 2: hoped you would becoming more. And yeah, you think you'll
Speaker 2: ever move back to La.
Speaker 3: You know. I asked myself that because I never want
Speaker 3: to say never, because I know how You're like, I'm
Speaker 3: never in the you know, universe is like here you go.
Speaker 2: So you should say never.
Speaker 3: I for California, I can't see it. I could see
Speaker 3: myself living in California, maybe northern California. I don't look,
Speaker 3: Mom's here, you're here, the kids are here. That part
Speaker 3: is hard. But I don't miss La. I like coming
Speaker 3: to visit. I'll do what I need to do here,
Speaker 3: I'll work, but but I don't miss living here. I
Speaker 3: don't miss the traffic. It's hot as ship here. It
Speaker 3: really is right, And to be honest, I really love
Speaker 3: being in more nature. I mean, Ruth Anne and I
Speaker 3: were talking about this before we started recording, like having trees,
Speaker 3: having water. I mean, you have that here, right, But
Speaker 3: there's there's something more lush about Portland, and it's just
Speaker 3: it feels. Yeah. I had to move to Portland to
Speaker 3: really find myself, and I felt because we grew up
Speaker 3: in Hollywood in the business, there was so much association.
Speaker 3: I just didn't know myself and even though I went
Speaker 3: into acting right, I always rebelled you wanted to be
Speaker 3: the actress from like jump from day one right five
Speaker 3: years old on. You knew what you wanted to do.
Speaker 2: I didn't when I got home from work re enact
Speaker 2: hr puff and stuff?
Speaker 3: Did you really right? So you knew with me? Yeah?
Speaker 3: You you had it and you wanted to be in
Speaker 3: the spotlight. I didn't. I was shy. I didn't want
Speaker 3: to but I was shy though I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 3: want to always be in front. I may have been
Speaker 3: more like, may have been charismatic, but I but I
Speaker 3: was shy. I didn't want the limelight. I didn't want
Speaker 3: to be in front of the camera because remember when
Speaker 3: Dad had me, do you.
Speaker 2: Want that to be in front of the camera.
Speaker 3: Yes, you wanted to be an actress. You did plays
Speaker 3: all through school.
Speaker 2: That's interesting, Like you said you wanted to be in
Speaker 2: the spotlight, and I guess it triggered some response in me,
Speaker 2: like that was.
Speaker 3: A negative thing.
Speaker 2: Huh, isn't that weird?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I didn't mean it negative.
Speaker 2: I know you never would, but if for some reason,
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I just want it to make
Speaker 2: people happy. I wanted to entertain people, and I did
Speaker 2: do a lot of plays. Yeah, which I had no
Speaker 2: I need to do with the spotlight, like I was
Speaker 2: always in plays. But I also loved getting that response,
Speaker 2: Like I loved that I made people laugh, you know,
Speaker 2: like in high school, remember Roger speed Longer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but what Roger.
Speaker 2: And Roger and Ethel speed Longer My best friend down
Speaker 2: in high school. She and I had the same birthday.
Speaker 2: We had gone to school since like kindergarten and went
Speaker 2: all the way through high school together, and we used
Speaker 2: at lunchtime put on these characters and become these nerds,
Speaker 2: and we were white team and everyone and I was Roger.
Speaker 2: I was I the guy.
Speaker 5: But now we know, right, you were always super side there,
Speaker 5: but uh yeah, and she'd be Ethel and I put
Speaker 5: on a bow tie and I put on glasses and.
Speaker 2: I snort and and it was actually that's where I
Speaker 2: went on to do Violet bicker Staff and Stay by
Speaker 2: the Bells. And when I went into audition for that role,
Speaker 2: I was like, I've been doing this role for years
Speaker 2: for all my friends behind the scenes, So playing the
Speaker 2: nerd and like snorting like that was it. But I
Speaker 2: just seeing my friend's faces because they'd all be like,
Speaker 2: you know, girls like drama like boy problems and dah
Speaker 2: da dah and it was, you know, just high school kids.
Speaker 2: But during lunch I really enjoyed entertaining them and making
Speaker 2: them smile and it detracted from whatever the negative focus
Speaker 2: was on or the drama that was happening.
Speaker 3: Okay, so that was some of the context as to
Speaker 3: why you want you went into acting, right.
Speaker 2: I was so shy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was too. You were I guess. I guess
Speaker 3: you worshiped. But there was something in you that I
Speaker 3: feel I lacked, at least for a long time. What
Speaker 3: would you would work through it? I just avoided it.
Speaker 3: There are a lot of things that you avoid. Interesting, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: there are a lot of things that you avoid. But
Speaker 3: for some reason, when it comes to pulling it out
Speaker 3: for work or entertainment or whatever it is that you're doing,
Speaker 3: you'll go, like terrify to speak on stage, and yet
Speaker 3: you'll you'll do it. You'll go and you'll do it.
Speaker 3: I remember I used to. I used to get offered
Speaker 3: to do speaking gigs early on in my life coaching career,
Speaker 3: and I'd be like, I can't do it, sorry, no,
Speaker 3: thank you. I would just literally turn it down because
Speaker 3: I was terrified. So there's something that you do have
Speaker 3: where you're like, I'm I'm fearful of it, but I
Speaker 3: will go through it.
Speaker 2: And you apply that to my life, not just business.
Speaker 3: Of course, if you could do it in one area,
Speaker 3: you can do it in other areas. I think you
Speaker 3: just tell yourself I'm bad at communication or i'm back
Speaker 3: because you have known yourself as that for a while.
Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean like if your child, one of
Speaker 3: your children, was like, I'm bad at math, I'm bad
Speaker 3: at this. Would you go, okay, well, you're just doomed
Speaker 3: for the rest of your life to be only that,
Speaker 3: or would you say, oh, yeah, right
Speaker 2: Yeah, what were we talking about.