1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: One of the greatest baseball players ever is cal Ripken. 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: He set a record for playing in two thousand, six 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty two consecutive games over seventeen years. He 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: was an All Star nineteen times, a member of the 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, twice most Valuable Player in the American League, 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: and also once. 7 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 2: A World Series champion. 8 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: I had a chance to sit down with cal Ripkin 9 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: recently to talk about his current life working for and 10 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: with Baltimore Orioles, a team that he made very famous. 11 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 2: So it was said in baseball. 12 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: That the unbreakable record was Lou Garrick's record of spend 13 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: playing in two thousand and thirty games consecutively. Nobody thought 14 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: that could ever be broken. 15 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: You broke it. 16 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: You played in two thousand, six hundred and thirty two 17 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: games consecutively over seventeen years. 18 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: Why did you do that? 19 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: I mean, did you ever think if maybe taking a 20 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: day off. 21 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 2: Would be a good thing? 22 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: Or so? 23 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 3: You're not going to ask me what my secret was, right, Wow, 24 00:00:58,240 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 3: I'll get that. I don't know if I have one. 25 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 3: I mean, I love the game a lot. Your everyday 26 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 3: player was to find in those years as playing every game, 27 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 3: and it was an honor to be thought of and 28 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 3: counted on each and every day by your teammates. So 29 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: I had my dad, who was also a coach when 30 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 3: I first came in, probably for the first eleven or 31 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 3: twelve years of my career. And I think the real 32 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 3: reason that I played is that I couldn't come into 33 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 3: a ballpark and say you have turf toe where you 34 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 3: stubbed your toe and say, okay, I might need to 35 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 3: miss a game or two. I couldn't face my dad, 36 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 3: you know, let alone the manager. 37 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: Of the team like I've been, you know, working for 38 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: many years, and I have not done seventeen years consecutively, 39 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: going in every day. You know, you have a headache, 40 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: someday you don't feel good. You never had a headache, 41 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: no cold, nothing happened. 42 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 3: Yes, all of those things that fight through it. You 43 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 3: learn to play through different things, and you find out 44 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 3: really quickly that I can still compete, I still can 45 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 3: play even though I might be less than one hundred percent. 46 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: Baseball was called the national pastime for a long time, 47 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: but obviously other sports have taken a lot of attention 48 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: away from baseball. Basketball and football, for example, do you 49 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: still feel that Americans have a certain passion for baseball 50 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: that is similar to what they had twenty thirty, forty 51 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,399 Speaker 1: years ago, or do you think it's really changed a lot. 52 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 3: I think there's a deep love for baseball still in 53 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 3: the country. And I see that the ripping baseball was 54 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 3: a kids business that we developed experiential when you play 55 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 3: tournaments and we teach and those sorts of things, and 56 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 3: you can witness it right in front of you that 57 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 3: the kids eight to twelve year olds feel the same 58 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 3: way about baseball that we did. I think what's happened 59 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 3: in sports overall is that there's specialization that happens earlier 60 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 3: in the sports, and so you're not playing baseball, basketball, 61 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 3: and football all that time. You're specializing really early on. 62 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 3: So there's a lot less kids, I think that are 63 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 3: playing baseball, but the ones that are playing are actually 64 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 3: playing more of it because they play spring summer. 65 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: And speaking of that, lots of pictures these days have 66 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: elbow problems. They now get surgery called Tommy John surgery, 67 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: and players have to take a year and a half before. 68 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 2: They're really going to play again. 69 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: Why are there there's so many pitchers and I seem 70 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: to have this problems now and they didn't have as 71 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: many of those problems when you were playing. 72 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: Is it because they're playing. 73 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: So young and they're throwing so many different kind of 74 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: pitches that really hurt the elbow on the arm? 75 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 3: Well, I think some of that is true because Tommy 76 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 3: John surgery has come down even to like high school 77 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 3: and sometimes kids younger than that. And I think some 78 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 3: parents feel like, we'll just keep throwing and if it 79 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 3: breaks or whatever else, we can always fix it and 80 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 3: you'll come back throwing harder than you did before. I 81 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 3: think that's the wrong way to look at it. But 82 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 3: I think in the big legs, with all the analytics 83 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 3: that go around, I think pitchers are chasing velocity more 84 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 3: so there's more training for to get your arm stronger 85 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 3: to throw the ball harder, but they let they're chasing movement. 86 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 3: So there's two things that happen. If you throw a fastball, 87 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 3: you get behind the baseball. But then when you try 88 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 3: to make it move with the same power, you're torquing 89 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 3: your your elbow or your wrist right at the end 90 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 3: to try to make it move, to try to and 91 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 3: then all these pressure goes right here. And I think 92 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 3: a lot of chasing speed and chasing movement. The combination 93 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 3: of those two is causing it. 94 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: When a golfer is lining up a pott on a tournament, 95 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: everybody has to be quiet. 96 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 2: Nobody's throwing anything in his head. Why does he need 97 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 2: to have so much quiet? 98 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: But you're not allowed to talk or say anything when 99 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: you're putting for five inches, But if somebody's throwing a 100 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: ball at your head one hundred miles an hour. 101 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 2: They can scream and yell. 102 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: Why doesn't it seem much ass backwards? 103 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, the uh It is interesting though, when you 104 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 3: play in front of a packed house, it's just noise, 105 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 3: you know, it's not you don't hear the individual things. 106 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 3: I mean. In here in New York, I think the 107 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 3: fans felt that they were part of the game, and 108 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 3: so they were trying to get inside your head. They 109 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 3: were screaming things out at you try to play a 110 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 3: little mind game with and and if you beat them 111 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: and you did really well, you know, it'd almost go 112 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 3: ah caw see you tomorrow. It was all part of it. 113 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 3: The Boston fans were a little different, is that they 114 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 3: were they were more personal that if you beat them 115 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 3: or whatever else, they'd hold against you for your whole life. 116 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: You can challenge a call now and they go up 117 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: to New York and they watch it on video and 118 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: they make a decision there. 119 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: You think that's good or bad? 120 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 3: I like it, yeah, I mean because one play could 121 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 3: turn the whole outcome of the game, and they have 122 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 3: the technology to do it now. And I think what 123 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 3: you're going to see in the next couple of years 124 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 3: is some form of the robotic strike zone. You know, 125 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 3: whether they're testing it in the minor leagues on a 126 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 3: challenge system or like every third game, they just they 127 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 3: have something in the year of the umpire and the 128 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 3: robot or whatever calls the whole game based on when 129 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 3: the balls on the plate. He just tells the guy 130 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 3: what to do. And so they're testing those things out, 131 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 3: and I think the challenge system might be good because 132 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 3: a key pitch in the eighth inning with the bases loaded, 133 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 3: you know, and it's called a ball or a strike, 134 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 3: you know, the ball turns it in favor of the 135 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 3: team that's got the bases loaded. A strike kind of 136 00:05:58,440 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 3: gets them out of it. 137 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 2: Professional athlete are idealized. 138 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to believe this, but they're like 139 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: more than politicians, right, So athletes are really well liked 140 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: and admired and so forth. But then when you finish 141 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: your career, you have the whole different life. So you 142 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: were tired at what age? Forty one? 143 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: Pretty one? 144 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: You played twenty years, twenty two years, twenty one years 145 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: in the major leagues, and you were tired at an 146 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: age that you know is old for a professional athlete, 147 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: but young for somebody in private equity or something like that. 148 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: So when you were tired at that age, did you say, 149 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: what am I going to do the rest of my life? 150 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: And what did you decide to do for the remaining 151 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: ten next twenty years of your life? 152 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 2: What did you do? 153 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 3: So if you save your money pretty well, then you 154 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 3: have choices, you know, and you could decide to learn 155 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 3: how to play golf and like a lot of people 156 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 3: do and kind of retire early. 157 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 2: Are you a golfer? 158 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 3: I play a little bit, but no, I could be 159 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 3: pretty good. 160 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 2: I think I have try a minutes for golf. That's 161 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 2: what I do. 162 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 3: So I looked at it as you know, you kind 163 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 3: of get bored. How can you do that? I look 164 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 3: at it as a second chance for a career opportunity, 165 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 3: And so you look I wanted to learn business, and 166 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 3: we bought minor league teams and so you could. It 167 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 3: was a comfortable business model that you can kind of 168 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 3: learn business that way, and that was kind of fun. 169 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 3: At first, it felt like I gave I spotted everybody 170 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 3: else twenty years ahead of me. I'm forty one, but 171 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 3: it seemed like I'm twenty one. You know, in the 172 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 3: business world, you come out and then you learn that 173 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 3: a lot of the things you learned along the way 174 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 3: in baseball can apply to your I mean, your worth, work, ethic, 175 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 3: how you go about doing picture preparation, and all that 176 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 3: kind of stuff that all applies to what you're doing now. 177 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: So now that you're an owner of the Baltimore Orioles, well, 178 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: how do you feel about these high price contracts that 179 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: players are getting. Used to be a player, probably wanted 180 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: higher price contracts. Now you're an owner, how do you 181 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: look at that differently? 182 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 3: Slightly? I try to think of what are the other 183 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: other intangible values that you can offer a player besides 184 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 3: the bottom line dollars because the bottom line dollars are 185 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 3: so big now or whatever else that you can make 186 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 3: a case you're saying, well how much? But I mean 187 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 3: it's about ego, and it's about breaking the bank, and 188 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 3: it's about agents wanting to continue to make it go 189 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 3: up for other people that come through. But if you 190 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 3: take my situation, was I wanted to play in one place. 191 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 3: I wanted to have control of playing in one place. 192 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 3: So I think if we get to a point where 193 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 3: we're trying to convince one of our players to stay, 194 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 3: you know, you want to try to tell them all 195 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 3: the values that are associated with you know, Derek Jeter 196 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 3: playing his whole career in a Pinstripe uniform, Me playing 197 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 3: my whole career in the Orioles And what's that mean 198 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 3: for you in the bigger picture? And hopefully they'll value 199 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 3: some of that. But it's going to be a competitive 200 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,719 Speaker 3: landscape where we're going. 201 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: To have to pay some excite And Baltimore is a 202 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: smaller city compared to some of the New York. 203 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:51,599 Speaker 2: Los Angeles. 204 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: Is that a big problem and you're in a smaller 205 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: city in Major League Baseball? 206 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 3: I think overall, I never liked the idea because you 207 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 3: were a small market team you couldn't compete, Because I 208 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 3: think competition is in your knowledge. You know you're drafting, 209 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 3: you get the draft you get to sign players, you 210 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 3: get to develop players. You know, that's not all free 211 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 3: agency that's happening. But if you're a big market team 212 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 3: and you make a mistake in judgment or a player, 213 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 3: you can throw more money at your mistakes. When you're 214 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 3: a smaller market team, you have to be better at 215 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 3: your baseball decisions. 216 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: So I played the Little League All Star shortstop and 217 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: when I was eight to nine, and I didn't know 218 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: whether I was going to get to the major leagues 219 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: or not. When did you realize you were going to 220 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: be better than someone like me? Did you realize that 221 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: you were a little leaguer when you were a little leaguer, 222 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 1: Did you really realize you were going to be really 223 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: good enough to play in the major leagues? 224 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 3: I knew pretty quickly. I grew up in around baseball. 225 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 3: Dad was a manager of the minor leagues for the 226 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 3: Oils in the first fourteen years of my life. So 227 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 3: I went to work with my dad, you know, or 228 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 3: as early as eight or nine. He put me in 229 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 3: a uniform, was the bat boy. I shagged in the outfield. 230 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 3: I had a chance to ask all the players, you know, 231 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 3: how they did, how they caught the fly ball, how 232 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 3: they swung the bat. So I had all these teachers 233 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 3: in front of me, but I had the skill. You know, 234 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 3: that was pretty obvious early on. 235 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: Okay, so you played in high school. I assume you 236 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: did very well in high school. Yes, okay, So you 237 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: get drafted by the Orioles. And at what point, when 238 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: you're in the minor leagues all the players played in 239 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: the minor leagues for a while, did you realize you 240 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: weren't just going to be an average player, you were 241 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: really going to be a super player or did you 242 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: not realize that in the beginning. 243 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 3: Now I was seventeen. I was a second round draft 244 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 3: pick by the Orioles. It turned to eighteen at the 245 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 3: end of the summer, and so it was my birthday's 246 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 3: August twenty fourth, So I was playing a couple of 247 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 3: months before my eighteenth birthday. And when I first went 248 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 3: away to play pro ball, you were pretty big fish 249 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 3: in a small pond in high school. You thought you 250 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 3: were pretty good, and then you go and all of 251 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 3: a sudden, you're part of a team and you look 252 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 3: around and no longer you're not the big fish anymore. 253 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 3: There was one short stop by the name of Bob 254 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 3: Bonner that came out of Texas A and M. He 255 00:10:58,120 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 3: was like a sixth round pick for US that year, 256 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 3: and I was taking ground balls and doing stuff with him, 257 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 3: and he clearly was light years ahead of me. He 258 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 3: had a better arm, he could field the ball better, 259 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 3: he was quicker on the transfer, and I kept looking 260 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 3: at him, going, I'm never going to play. You know, 261 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 3: this guy's too good. I'm not that good. And they 262 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 3: moved him immediately to Double A, so that which opened 263 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 3: up the spot for me, and then I got my 264 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 3: feet on the ground. I started playing pretty well and 265 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 3: started hit a couple of home runs in my next year, 266 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 3: and then I got to Double A and then I 267 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 3: had a breakout season, and in two years I caught 268 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 3: Bob Bonner and passed him to the big leagues. So 269 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 3: he stayed the same and I got better. 270 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 2: What year did he get into the Hall of Fame? 271 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 3: I think he's a minister in Africa right now. 272 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: So, speaking of the Hall of Fame, you were elected 273 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: with ninety eight point five percent of the vote. Have 274 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: you ever figured out who that person was that didn't 275 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: vote for you? I mean, who is this person waiting. 276 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 3: For I've hunted all five of them down. I think 277 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 3: that my particular year, I think Marianna Rivera just went 278 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 3: in one hundred percent right, the only one of the vote. 279 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 3: And in my particular year there was a protest to 280 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 3: vote where where five people didn't turn into ballot in 281 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 3: that particular year as a protest to the steroid era. 282 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 3: They said, well, and so they counted against you. 283 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: Did anybody ever come to you and say, look, you're 284 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: really good, but you could be even better if you 285 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: take some of these drugs. 286 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 3: They didn't try that, And looking back on it, you 287 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 3: could probably see signs in hindsight that players that might 288 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 3: have used. But when you're playing, if you're not in 289 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 3: this secret society, you don't know. And I didn't know. 290 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: So some players they were like one hundred and eighty 291 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: pounds and then later there are two hundred and fifty pounds. 292 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: You didn't suspect maybe they were doing something unusual. Yes, 293 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: you're six foot four and traditionally shortstops were more my height, 294 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: and when you came along, people didn't want people like 295 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: me to be short stops anymore. So did you change 296 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: the game of baseball by saying short stop should be 297 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: big and better hitters? 298 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 2: Or or is it going back to the. 299 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: Old mode of speaking fast and good baseball steelers but 300 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: not great hitters. 301 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 3: I mean a lot of the shortstops, Derek Jeter being 302 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 3: one of them, gives me credit for my success at 303 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 3: the position as a bigger shortstop. That gave them opportunities 304 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 3: that maybe otherwise they wouldn't have had. But I kind 305 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 3: of think, Derek, you would have carved at your own path. 306 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 3: But I did move from third to short I signed. 307 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 3: I was six two when I came out of high school, 308 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 3: and then I had a lake grospur. It almost grew 309 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 3: three inches and I put on, you know, five to 310 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 3: eight pounds a year. By the time I got to 311 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 3: the Big Legs, I was almost sixty five to twenty 312 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 3: and they had put me at third base. But then 313 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 3: Earl Weaver had this vision that I could play shortstop 314 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 3: and we'd be a better team if I went over 315 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 3: to shortstop. So he one day just put me there, 316 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 3: and and my success at the position as a bigger guy. 317 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 3: Maybe it's like when I'm a basketball fan, I wish 318 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 3: I could have been a basketball player, But I remember 319 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 3: Magic Johnson changing the thought of a point guard at 320 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 3: six y nine. He's sixty nine, all of a sudden, 321 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 3: the advantages he had at the size. I think people 322 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 3: started to understand that a bigger guy could play shortstop 323 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 3: and second base. And today there's some of the more 324 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 3: celebrated positions are contract. 325 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: I think your highest compensation level six million dollars a year. 326 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: Six million dollars a year. That's a good compensation level 327 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: in those days, for sure, and today for the average 328 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: person that's a great income. But today there are some 329 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: players that are making two three four hundred million dollars 330 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: over here yours one seven hundred million dollars. Do you 331 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: ever think maybe you should have waited a little bit 332 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: longer to play in the major leagues? And do you 333 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: evergre at the fact that some people are making seven 334 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars and they're not likely, you know, be 335 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: as good as you, So every. 336 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 3: Day I think that, yes, No, it is really interesting 337 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 3: is that I had a really good job. You know, 338 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 3: I was a baseball player, and you got paid for it, 339 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 3: and in the compensation, I was one of the early 340 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 3: ones that broke a million a year, and then I 341 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 3: got to two million a year, and then and then 342 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 3: after the towards the end, you know, I was at six, 343 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 3: but then it started going crazy, and you know, I 344 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 3: look at it and I remember all the old players 345 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 3: that said, you know, I wish that I would have 346 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 3: played in that era. But I think the game evolves 347 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 3: the business of the it used to be in baseball. 348 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 3: I think we looked, at least I looked at myself 349 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 3: as a sportsman. You know, maybe the value of the 350 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 3: entertainment was in the collective where you're playing well as 351 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 3: a team and you win and that's cool. Then all 352 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 3: of a sudden it seemed to step over to I 353 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 3: think a lot of players might think that they are 354 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 3: entertainers now. So it's a little bit more than what 355 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 3: you do in the field, and it's what maybe your commercials, 356 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 3: things you do off the field. I think they see 357 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 3: themselves differently. 358 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: Do you think that's good to have the games now 359 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: maybe two hours, twenty minutes or something like that. 360 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 2: Is that making better for the fans? 361 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: Or are they saying I want more baseball and I 362 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: want the game the last longer. 363 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 3: Well, it's better, And I think what they did is 364 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 3: they cut out the dead time. At the end of 365 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 3: my career, the walk up music started to become popular. 366 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 3: The young players kind of liked it, and they would 367 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 3: tell them what to do. And sometimes they'd be when 368 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 3: the on deck circle and they hadn't played the song yet, 369 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 3: and so they'd wait and look upstairs like this until 370 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 3: they played the song, and then they'd make their entrance 371 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 3: to the ballpark. The shot clock or the pitch clock 372 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 3: that they have now allows the umpire to to gives 373 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 3: them an enforceable tool to shape the behavior. There was 374 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 3: always a rule that the pitcher had to throw it 375 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 3: within twenty seconds of each pitch, but that got away 376 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 3: from everybody, and now it's shaped the behavior, and I 377 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 3: think the game moves. 378 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: When you were playing, it was sometimes said that pittress 379 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: might put the substances on the baseball, or it was 380 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: called a spider. 381 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 2: Did you ever see that? 382 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 3: Gaylord Perry was the most famous of all spitballs. He 383 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 3: actually wrote a book called Me and the Spinner. So 384 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 3: the first time I face him, ball comes in, it 385 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 3: sinks a little bit, and then I hit a groundball 386 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 3: to shortstop by make another out, and I'm thinking, if 387 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 3: that's that's a spider's that's nothing special. But then I 388 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 3: came up with the bases loaded my third time up, 389 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 3: and he threw me three pitches that dropped about this 390 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 3: far and instruck me out, you know whatever else, and 391 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 3: then kind of walked off and shook his head at me, 392 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 3: like that's the spider. 393 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: I have a grandson who four years old. If he 394 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: wanted to be a major League baseball player. What's the 395 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: best advice you would give to a young person? He 396 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: meets a little young for advice, maybe, but what is 397 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: a six or eight year old or ten or year 398 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: old who aspires to be a baseball player? 399 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 2: What should they do? 400 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 3: Well? I think the worst thing you could do is 401 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 3: put too much pressure on your kid, you know, like 402 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 3: if you want it for him as opposed to him 403 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 3: wanting it. You know. 404 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: I think father didn't put pressure on you. He was 405 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: a professional coach. 406 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 2: He didn't know. 407 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 3: I mean, as a matter of fact, I could tell 408 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 3: you that because my dad was in professional baseball. He 409 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 3: only saw two of my games between the age of 410 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 3: eight and eighteen before I go, you know, got drafted 411 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 3: in parts of two because he had. 412 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 1: He didn't give you tips or anything or tell you 413 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: to do this or that. 414 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 3: No, I mean he was a great instructor. I witnessed 415 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 3: him instructing other people in the minor league. So I 416 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 3: learned through kind of through his instruction everybody else. But 417 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 3: he never stood over me and said you got to 418 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 3: do You've got to play. 419 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: When you're a professional baseball player or a former professional 420 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: baseball players, famous as you are, people come up and 421 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: all the time they want autograph selfies and they say, 422 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: I hate to bother you, but can I bother you 423 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: with a selfie or an autograph request? What do you say? 424 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: You say, I'm too busy, or you just do it? 425 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: Or how do you deal with all that? And when 426 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: you go to a hotel and you're a major league 427 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 1: baseball player, people have all these little kids are trying 428 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: to get autographs. 429 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 2: How do you deal with all that? 430 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 3: When you get old, they don't do it so much anymore. No, 431 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 3: I'm thankful that I still can't believe that I get 432 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 3: recognized as readily as I do. And to me, you 433 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 3: always keep in mind. And sometimes someone approaching you, they're 434 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 3: all nervous and they lose their mind and they say, 435 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 3: you know, you're my biggest fan, and I go, I am, 436 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 3: but they lose it. But then you have to keep 437 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 3: in mind that it's meaningful to them. So at that moment, 438 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 3: you know, by signing your name for a little kid 439 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 3: and their eyeballs get all again. They run back to 440 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 3: their mom or whatever else and say, look what I got. 441 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 3: So you helped that happen. So if you remember the 442 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 3: what happens afterwards, you'll focus on you know, and you 443 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 3: just manage it and just get through it. 444 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 2: And what was it like the day that you broke 445 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 2: the record of Louke Garrick? 446 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: There was an enormous fan out pouring, everybody's calling you 447 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: your nation y TV and you're running around the stadium 448 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: and so forth. 449 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 2: Was that like the highlight of your life professionally? 450 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 3: I would say there's two moments. I answer that question 451 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 3: in two parts. The best feeling I ever had on 452 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 3: the baseball field was catching the last out of the 453 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 3: World Series forty two years ago, forty two years ago, 454 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 3: forty one years ago, nineteen eighty three, little humpback line 455 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 3: drive when you catch it. This part of the dream 456 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 3: of being a baseball player is to win the World Series. 457 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 3: And then now because I caught the last out, that 458 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 3: I won the World Series. So that's the best feeling. 459 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 3: Second best feeling, probably the best personal moment was to 460 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 3: lap around campdy Yards. I was embarrassed that the game 461 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 3: was stopped because the game became official halfway through, and 462 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 3: then everybody kept clapping. I kept saying thank you, thank you, 463 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 3: and then Bobby Buni and Ralphiel Palmero pushed me out 464 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 3: of the line and said, you're gonna have to take 465 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 3: a lap around here before we'll never get the game started, 466 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 3: and I thought it was a silly idea, so I 467 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 3: went around and started shaking hands. The celebration went from 468 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 3: almost fifty thousand down to like one on one, and 469 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 3: it was kind of cool that way, and by the 470 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 3: time I got come down to third base, I could 471 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 3: care less if the game ever started again. 472 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to hear more of my interviews. You 473 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 1: can subscribe and download my podcast on Spotify, Apple, or 474 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: wherever you listen.