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Speaker 2: all right. We got John Wellborn, NFL former NFL player,

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Speaker 2: CrossFit athlete for a little while. So I watched you

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Speaker 2: on Every Second Counts on one week, yeah, one week?

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, so uh yeah. I was trained to go

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Speaker 1: And they were like, well, You're going to have to

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Speaker 1: It was Josh Bridges, No, Josh everettsh Everett. Then there

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Speaker 1: to chase him and he would just like grind him

437
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Speaker 1: into the earth. I think you probably obliterated your competition

438
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Speaker 1: just for the fact that you were training at such

439
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Speaker 1: a high volume and a lot of guys couldn't handle it.

440
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no. I mean when we started, it was

441
00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,360
Speaker 2: like one workout a day, and if you did more

442
00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,480
Speaker 2: than one workout a day, you would probably die, like

443
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Speaker 2: your kidneys couldn't handle it. And whatever we did. I

444
00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,840
Speaker 2: remember the first time we did two workouts we did

445
00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,960
Speaker 2: there was a bench and pull up workout land in

446
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Speaker 2: the morning, and that afternoon we did a second workout.

447
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Speaker 2: We were like just waiting to die, you know, and

448
00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,479
Speaker 2: it didn't happen, and so me and Darren and then

449
00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,960
Speaker 2: on just kind of just started doing it right and

450
00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,760
Speaker 2: it wasn't even it was just like second nature, right.

451
00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,600
Speaker 2: It was like there's a lot that goes into it,

452
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Speaker 2: you know. In the last couple of years, I've joked

453
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Speaker 2: that I think there's some substance abuse is part of it.

454
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Speaker 2: Little obsession, little substance abuse, a little the way I

455
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Speaker 2: was raised, right.

456
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Speaker 1: But oh you mean that you have like a little

457
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Speaker 1: like addicted person out for sure, one hundred percent. I

458
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Speaker 1: always believe that there was a lot of people masking

459
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Speaker 1: addictive personalities and maybe like the dependence like this is

460
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Speaker 1: almost better than like AA to be able to get

461
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Speaker 1: into CROSS exactly.

462
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Speaker 3: So if you have somebody, I guess you recognize that.

463
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Speaker 4: So like very practically, if somebody's following, whether it's our program,

464
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Speaker 4: your program, and they how do they recognize in themselves

465
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Speaker 4: because that's like the normal thing, you know, Like for

466
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Speaker 4: the normal person you're there all they see a workout

467
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Speaker 4: and they're like, oh, I'm not I don't want to

468
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Speaker 4: do that's too much work.

469
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Speaker 2: That's bird with rope clowns.

470
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean the thing the thing to think about

471
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Speaker 1: this like I.

472
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Speaker 4: Actually did like all the pro football stuff because it

473
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Speaker 4: had anything like.

474
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Speaker 3: Early on in my cherry picking workouts.

475
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Speaker 2: I would look at me. But you look at a

476
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Speaker 2: lot of the stuff we do now it's similar to

477
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Speaker 2: Cross because it's interesting, like it's intervals, like you can

478
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Speaker 2: get more intensity when you break things, and people are

479
00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,840
Speaker 2: get so caught up and like, oh, I just got

480
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Speaker 2: to do a fort like even in I'm thinking in

481
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Speaker 2: the hunting space specifically, like, oh, I need to be

482
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Speaker 2: our rock. That's that's it, and I need to do

483
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Speaker 2: that every day. And I'm like, no, you need some

484
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Speaker 2: like intense bursts rest intense bursts, like because you're just

485
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Speaker 2: gonna run yourself on the ground. So sorry, I mean,

486
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Speaker 2: uh no.

487
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Speaker 1: Is the biggest issue with online programming, Katy.

488
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Speaker 3: You know, if you're a small monk, you're a big.

489
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Speaker 1: You're a small I could put you through the training

490
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Speaker 1: and I would. The problem with online programming is you

491
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Speaker 1: is you're basically programming for the bell curve, the middle

492
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Speaker 1: of the bell curve, and the problem is you're gonna

493
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Speaker 1: have bout liars on the top and the bottom. And unfortunately,

494
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Speaker 1: there's not a good way to assess these people. And

495
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys run in it, and that's why

496
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Speaker 1: you have churn and burn. People come in and they

497
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Speaker 1: look at it like this is too much, this is

498
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Speaker 1: too complicated. I don't have this equipment. So you start

499
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Speaker 1: looking at all the pain points. But if you can

500
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Speaker 1: hit it, and I did. I got into it. The

501
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Speaker 1: other day. Guy sent over an email my assistant sent

502
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Speaker 1: it to me, and I like, I took it and

503
00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,399
Speaker 1: I was like, the guy's like, you know, basically like

504
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Speaker 1: critiquing it, and I kind of like basically was like,

505
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Speaker 1: I got thirty minutes, Yeah, sit down. And I sent

506
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Speaker 1: this guy like a dissertation on everything, and he of

507
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Speaker 1: course responded with like a one line room, you know,

508
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Speaker 1: kind of a smart ass. No, it was more I

509
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Speaker 1: don't know, but hurt kind of I'll use the word response,

510
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Speaker 1: because he didn't I don't think he understood it and

511
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Speaker 1: didn't understand that there is a lot of physiology and

512
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Speaker 1: science and experience.

513
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Speaker 2: And on top of it.

514
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Speaker 1: I've been doing this a long time. I think since

515
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Speaker 1: two thousand and nine. We programmed at least one at

516
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Speaker 1: the time was across a football but then it became

517
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Speaker 1: like nine different training programs. It's something like over four

518
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,919
Speaker 1: million workouts delivered to hundreds of thousands of athletes with

519
00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,840
Speaker 1: just millions of these data points. And after a while

520
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,080
Speaker 1: you can kind of see like the you know, the

521
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:21,760
Speaker 1: neo matrix where you're like, all right, I know how

522
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Speaker 1: to get people strong, I know how to get them jacked,

523
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Speaker 1: I know how to get them really fit. And then

524
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,679
Speaker 1: you've tested on all these athletes and you know what

525
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,479
Speaker 1: the results are. And so if somebody sits outside that pool,

526
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Speaker 1: they're either a high or really high and it's not

527
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Speaker 1: enough or it's too much. And at that point you

528
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Speaker 1: have to dial back volume in intensity and you have

529
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Speaker 1: to look at them be like all right, I will

530
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Speaker 1: never turn down the intensity, but like you can recover

531
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Speaker 1: from intensity. And we did a years ago what's the

532
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Speaker 1: guy's name, Abajef came and gave the Bulgarian Olympics lefling

533
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Speaker 1: coach came and gave a talk for high school football

534
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Speaker 1: on a program that he would use for Bulgarians to

535
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Speaker 1: train high school fotball, basically maxing out every day. So

536
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Speaker 1: we sent every single so somebody there sent me the

537
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,920
Speaker 1: program and I was like, let's do it. I squatted

538
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Speaker 1: between four fifty and five fifty for singles for eighteen

539
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Speaker 1: days in a row, yep, and then on like the

540
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Speaker 1: nineteenth day, I couldn't even squat one thirty five. And

541
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Speaker 1: I realized the problem is is that like you can

542
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Speaker 1: go with a lot of intensity, but you have to

543
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Speaker 1: be so conscious of the volume. So everybody can handle intensity,

544
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,359
Speaker 1: how much volume they can handle is like big monkey

545
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Speaker 1: small monkey. So like, let's say somebody needs three reps,

546
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Speaker 1: because if you look at like Propen's table, you know,

547
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Speaker 1: you'd see like, you know, somewhere between a magic of

548
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Speaker 1: like four to seven. So like rich could probably handle ten,

549
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Speaker 1: you might be able to handle four. You're still going

550
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Speaker 1: to do the thing, same deal, and like you just

551
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 1: have to figure out what you can recover from. And

552
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Speaker 1: the greatest way to do it is, you know, a

553
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Speaker 1: percentage of one hourrammar intensity, you know, and.

554
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Speaker 2: Then document how you feel and hey, you know, like

555
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 2: hey I've done. When you have this, you can look

556
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Speaker 2: at all, right, this week was good, you know, and

557
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 2: put a couple weeks together and you're like, okay.

558
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 1: I'm good, and now you start to kind of see

559
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Speaker 1: what it looks exactly. But people don't want to do that.

560
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 2: They want to be told what to do, and they're

561
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Speaker 2: in one I see that side of it, Like you

562
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 2: pay for it, so you want to know that. But

563
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 2: also everybody's a little bit. And then you go and

564
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 2: you get into nutrition too, and there's so many differents.

565
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Speaker 1: I also have a theory that the training that you

566
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Speaker 1: do before puberty there's like an effectively priming of the

567
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Speaker 1: pump We had Chris Summer on the podcast, who is

568
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 1: a high level gymnastics coach, developed like kids from like

569
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Speaker 1: cradle to like Olympic champions, and he started talking about

570
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Speaker 1: this idea of like exposing them to like GPP and

571
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Speaker 1: like strength training pre puberty that it effectively. They did

572
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Speaker 1: a study that we referenced in Russia where they had

573
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Speaker 1: kids do a bunch of strength training GPP like kind

574
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Speaker 1: of like what you see for CrossFit pre puberty, and

575
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Speaker 1: then other kids didn't. Then at puberty, they all threw

576
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Speaker 1: them in the same program, and the kids that had

577
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Speaker 1: done this training beforehand developed strength and skills at a

578
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Speaker 1: much higher level than the ones it didn't.

579
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Speaker 2: I think that's building a neuro early.

580
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Speaker 1: But also there's a priming of the pump. And but

581
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Speaker 1: so I think a lot of people did before they

582
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,880
Speaker 1: started lifting weights, you know, just like what we did

583
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Speaker 1: for training as kids. I did side ride your bike trees,

584
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: so like it's six. I started in martial arts, and

585
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: then we rode bikes, and we played baseball, and we

586
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 1: did all these sports. And like where our house was

587
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: was like the bus stop, so all the kids would

588
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Speaker 1: get off and we had a basketball like a hoop

589
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 1: so we had these like gnarly basketball games, and then

590
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Speaker 1: my brothers played football and like just this whole thing.

591
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Speaker 1: So I got to it, and all of a sudden,

592
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Speaker 1: I was like lifting weights and I got stronger every

593
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Speaker 1: week when other people weren't. And then I was able

594
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Speaker 1: to put on size and I grew and I just

595
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Speaker 1: like other people kind of flaked out and I was like,

596
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Speaker 1: I don't know, every time I go in this weight

597
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Speaker 1: room stuff, I get stronger. It's kind of addictive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'm one of thirty two first cousins twenty

599
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Speaker 2: five or boys. So everything we did was a competition, right.

600
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Speaker 1: That is the best training environment, I really.

601
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Speaker 2: Is, you know, like and you know they our uncles

602
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,239
Speaker 2: would shame us if the girls beat us, which they

603
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Speaker 2: did regularly because they were pretty athletic.

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Speaker 1: You know, like that is I'm so glad you said that.

605
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Speaker 1: I personally believe one of the greatest training stimulus is

606
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Speaker 1: is shame and thought of like not being able to

607
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Speaker 1: hold the standard, where like all of a sudden, you're like, man,

608
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: like what if I'm not good enough? And the internal

609
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: shame Like uh, I've told the story on our podcast,

610
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: but I was a pretty fast runner and like like

611
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Speaker 1: when I was in middle school and then I grew

612
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Speaker 1: like four inches and I couldn't run. Like it was

613
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Speaker 1: like literally like I I like went from like you know,

614
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like you know, crushing everything, to

615
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden like I'm getting like c's on

616
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Speaker 1: because they would time our runs in the good grade

617
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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I was like humiliated. I'm like,

618
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Speaker 1: how am I going to go home and tell my

619
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Speaker 1: mom I got a CMPE because I can't run fast.

620
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Speaker 1: So I asked the teacher and I was like what

621
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Speaker 1: can I do? And she's like, well, if you want

622
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Speaker 1: to stay on Fridays, you can do extra credit runs.

623
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Speaker 1: I'll give you more points you get a better grade.

624
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Speaker 1: So I like lied to my mom. I'm like, hey,

625
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Speaker 1: I got to study extra on Fridays, and then I

626
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Speaker 1: would run extra because I was.

627
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Speaker 2: So humiliated disappointed in yourself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like ten or eleven, twelve years old,

629
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, dude, like I can't. Well, my brothers

630
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 1: all played football, so but I was just like a

631
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Speaker 1: little bit of shame. And then I realized that like

632
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 1: that's not a bad thing, like like that's like motivating. Well, uh,

633
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: there's a certain standard that I hold myself to you

634
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Speaker 1: and I have to meet that.

635
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Speaker 2: Sank. That's awesome. Yeah, I mean it's it's intrinsic for us.

636
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 2: That's because we were just born in that situation, you know.

637
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Speaker 2: And I feel like nowadays it's tough, right, there's a

638
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 2: balance to it, right, you don't want to belittle or

639
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 2: you know, you want to somehow develop it for them intrinsically.

640
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 2: You know. I don't ever shame my kids about that

641
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:24,479
Speaker 2: type of stuff that you can.

642
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: I like, as a parent, you can't shame them. But

643
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: if they have a little bit, yeah.

644
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Speaker 2: And you're trying to like how do you how do

645
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 2: you cultivate it? Cultivate it? Right? Yeah? So like Lake,

646
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 2: when my oldest is starting to play middle school basketball.

647
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Speaker 2: So she's fifth grade and then she plays some garbage

648
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 2: minutes on sixth grade, and so it's she plays a

649
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 2: lot on fifth grade and then she'll sit the bench

650
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Speaker 2: on sixth Then you can just see it like stewing

651
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 2: in her head that she's like wants to be out there,

652
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 2: and she's like Dad, what you know, Like what do

653
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 2: I gotta do? I'm like practice, you know, like everything

654
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 2: comes just natural to her. She's a good athlete, but

655
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 2: she's just the speed of games way different. Those girls

656
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 2: have been playing for a while and played serious. Where

657
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 2: she played rec ball, it was one one Saturday, one

658
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 2: practice a week, and now she's practicing three or four

659
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: days a week and she's getting good. But it was cool.

660
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 2: It's cool to see her, like how do I get better?

661
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: And so that for me as a dad, I'm like, hell, yeah,

662
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: I think I have two daughters. I get twin girls,

663
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: and I got a little boy raising daughters. I'm totally

664
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: not equipped for group with all brothers, right Like. I'm like,

665
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: for years, the only girl we knew was my mom,

666
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: right like, like there were no girls on her streets.

667
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 2: It was all boys.

668
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: And so having girls is really interesting because like like

669
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: we solve problems like hey, I'm not good at this

670
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: practice more, whereas like girls are not necessarily looking for

671
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,479
Speaker 1: you to solve their problem. I'm like, well, we can

672
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: just go lift weights. We have this huge gym up

673
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: on the heel, and I trained professional athlete. It's like

674
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: all these people.

675
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: Come and I'm like, hey, let's go get on tam

676
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 2: sprints sprints.

677
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: And They're like, no, Dad, I just want to like

678
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: I want you to listen to and I'm just like.

679
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 2: I'm not a quick for this. I don't know what

680
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 2: to do. Go to your mom.

681
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: And then my son will look at me maybe like

682
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: I know, he's like, you want to go out and

683
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: shoo twenty two.

684
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 2: So I'm let this do it? Yeah, Trice, yesterday other

685
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: girls were gone. I was sitting in the sauna and

686
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 2: he always asks, and I'm like, you can't sit in

687
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 2: the son, you know. I was like, yes, show was

688
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: like come on, Trice. He's like, what said, I'm gonna

689
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: go sit in the suna?

690
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: You want to go hot asauna? We're talking about. Well,

691
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: I put him at the bottom.

692
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 2: It was one hundred and forty fifty degrees at the

693
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 2: bottom is like one hundred and twenty. Like it's right

694
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: by the door. Yeah, but he was made his year nice.

695
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: He was like I put him in. I said you

696
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 2: got ten minutes you can sit with me, and dude,

697
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: he was fired up. He's like I can go and

698
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,239
Speaker 2: so he's he loved it.

699
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: Or U we have a barrel and we go like

700
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: one eighty seven, one ninety.

701
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's at one ninety where I'm at, but down

702
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 2: here he was probably one twenty.

703
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that one ninety is real. It's funny the

704
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: like one seventy five. I can sit in there all day. Yeah,

705
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: one ninety. At like ten minutes, I start getting this

706
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: like antsy feeling.

707
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: I started doing I rock for the last five other

708
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 2: I've been doing twenty five minutes and then three minutes

709
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 2: colde and that's my like morning routine. I'm trying to

710
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: get up thirty minutes earlier just to do it, and

711
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 2: it's been awesome, but it's that last five minutes. I

712
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 2: listened to a book in there, and I'm not like

713
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 2: the last.

714
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: Two minutes SONI, I was buying like sna hat.

715
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. We had like I like.

716
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: Cold water to put my hands in, and uh yeah,

717
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: I'll do ten and then I go thirty seconds in

718
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: the cold and I get back from my other ten

719
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: one and but yeah, that one eighty seven one ninety

720
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: is is real. And then my wife just like hanging

721
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: out there like all day and being like, oh.

722
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 2: This is fine.

723
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna stretch a little bit, and I'm

724
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 1: over there having like a panic attack, and she's like,

725
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: are you okay. I'm like no, I gotta get out

726
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: of here, and she's like in there for like twenty

727
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: or thirty minutes and like stretching. Oh, I feel great.

728
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't get my wife in there. She's like, no,

729
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that. You got a sweat. But the

730
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: kids loved it, and or Trice loved it. He was

731
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: just like but the crazy thing was the next two hours,

732
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: it was like you gave him twenty candy bars. He

733
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,719
Speaker 2: really is wide open, you know. Like I was like, hey,

734
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,479
Speaker 2: you gotta drink this whole glass of water while we're

735
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 2: in here. You got to like if I started seeing

736
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: he didn't even break a sweat. He's nine, yeah, and

737
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: so he didn't eve break a sweat. White.

738
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: His face just got red red, and he's like red,

739
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: just stripping.

740
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: He was having a blast. He's like, why are we

741
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: doing this? What's this? What's this? And I'm just like,

742
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 2: just I can't talk right now.

743
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: It's so hot in Texas that I tried to convince

744
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: my dog that, like, you know, because my one daughter

745
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: plays basketball, mother daughter plays soccer, that they need to

746
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: get into the sauna for like a heat inoculation, and

747
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: they're like.

748
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 2: Nah, not doing f off. Yeah, Honestly, in the summer.

749
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: I got away from the sauna just because it is

750
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: so hot and humid here where I was, I just

751
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: didn't want to do it. I went straight cold.

752
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: How bad is it here?

753
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 2: It can nineties, mid nineties and the ninety eighty ninety

754
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 2: percent humidity. I mean not you're probably five or six degrees.

755
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: I think cool or warmer. Yeah, but it's it's very

756
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: like two years ago we were seventy days over one

757
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: oh four. Jeez like it. Texas is the most angry,

758
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: egregious place I've ever been. Like, it's spiteful to the

759
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: point where I tell my wife, I'm like, I'll go

760
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: anywhere to get out of this place.

761
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I got to go to Michigan.

762
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, if somebody knocked on our dorm bought her house,

763
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I'm leaving this guy forsaken place and

764
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: I'm never going. What was it the Davy Crockett was like,

765
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: if I owned Hell in Texas, I'd rent out Texas

766
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: and live in Hell. Yeah, it's it's that terrible, that terrible. Yeah,

767
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: it's hot. Yeah, it's just spiteful Louisiana. So he's aware

768
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: at that marriage. Oh yeah, that's a sweaty place, too.

769
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 2: Sweaty place. That's the hard part. The humidity. It's the

770
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 2: humidity they get you.

771
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: No, it's it's swamp. So so the Brazilians I train

772
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: for jets, they're from like north Brazil, so victors from Florida, Laisa,

773
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: and that's the sweatiest place to the point where like

774
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, you know, nobody has there any air conditioning.

775
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: So the other day when we were all.

776
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: Sleep there, I couldn't. Like it has to be sixty

777
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 2: seven degrees, I think I will not sleep.

778
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: I think it's carbs, you think so. I think it's carbs.

779
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: That they eat a lot of carbs. It makes them

780
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: tired because they like rice and beans and they're like

781
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: a pretty carb heavy diet. And then when they try

782
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: to come to the States and eat that same diet,

783
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: they all like kind of lunchy.

784
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

785
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: So like I think it's vitamin D exposure or they're

786
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: just way tougher than we are.

787
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's as I've gotten older too. The like

788
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 2: heat and humidity I want no part of. I don't

789
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: take the cold any day.

790
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no problem. I can sit in the ice

791
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: tub all.

792
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: Day, I can layer up. I can do whatever, but

793
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: heat just sucks, all right. So now you're you're training

794
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: a lot of jiu jitsu.

795
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I I Shanji Heberro, who's my coach. Shanji

796
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: is like considered like the rich Throning of jiu jitsu

797
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: or the Michael Jordan of jiu jitsu.

798
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: Right, you better make sure Michael Jorge's better.

799
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: So Chanji's like a twenty time world champion and considered

800
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: like one of the best in the world to ever

801
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: do it, you know, like hodyre Gracie, they considered to

802
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: be the best. I think he lost five times. He

803
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: lost three times to Chanji. So Shanji's pretty legit, pretty good.

804
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: So my daughter was swimming a bunch and she got

805
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: kind of burned out because they wander in the pool

806
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: like it was like, ooh, swimming is ridiculous. It was

807
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: three hours a day, five days a week. So after

808
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: like and she's like nine or ten. So she's like, Dad,

809
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: I want to try something else, And I was like

810
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: I had There's a guy named Craig Douglas who does

811
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: like a combative steel and he came on the podcast

812
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: and he invited me to come on his combative steel

813
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: and basically I'm pretty good on my feet because I

814
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: boxed and played in the NFL, but laying on my back, I'm.

815
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: Like a big turtle. Yeah.

816
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: So in the NFL, if I end up on my

817
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: back with a gun on top of yeah, everything's going yeah,

818
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: and I don't have a job anymore. So we ended

819
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: up to go into this combatives thing and I ended

820
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: up like laying flat on my back with this dude

821
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: on top of me who was like three hundred pounds

822
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: but he used to be three sixty, so he's like

823
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: a big water balloon. This guy Nick, He's super nice dude,

824
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:11,959
Speaker 1: and he was a jiu jitsu I want to say,

825
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: he's like a brown belt. He passed my guard, took

826
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: my gun and shot me with a sim or a

827
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: fill of a scar and he also got me ric

828
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: And one of the instructors was like, dude, you got

829
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: to learn to like fight off your back a little bit.

830
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: And I was like what do I do? And he's like,

831
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you this guy's number, So he gave

832
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: me Shanji's number. He was one of his black belts.

833
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: So I called Shanji and he was like, you know

834
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: in typical braziliance. I'll call you back, you know, hear

835
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: from him, and the Brazilians aren't great with time. So

836
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: I ended up taking my daughter up. She's like, I

837
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: want to try jiu jitsu. So I took I took

838
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: her up to Shanji's place litter ju JITs, and we

839
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: just kind of became friends. And then he asked me

840
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: and he's.

841
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 2: Like, hey, h.

842
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: You're good at lifting weights. And I'm like, I'm all

843
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: right at it. And he's like, I got some young

844
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: guys that are really like high level professionals, but they

845
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: haven't trained. Would you work with them? And so I

846
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: met them and there was like kids in their early

847
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: twenties and like you know, at the time, I didn't

848
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: know anything about jiu jitsu, and I was like they

849
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: were just I didn't know what their skill level was.

850
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: I just know that they are the nicest kids. Like

851
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: I joked that I adopted all these Brazilians, like huge hearts,

852
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: just the nicest kids you would ever want. Like when

853
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: everybody talks about this generation, it's not these these kids. Yeah,

854
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: these kids grew up like in Brazil where like like yeah,

855
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: like like money, like it's just a different class, like

856
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: a different group of human beings. Yeah, like all grew

857
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: up in the church, you know, so they're all like,

858
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: you know.

859
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: Like just solid kids, nicest kids.

860
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: Like people that you would want to have over your house,

861
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: introduce to your family. And uh so I met the

862
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: kids and I was like, let's do it. So I

863
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: worked with them and trained them for two years for

864
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: ADCC and you know, and then at that point I

865
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: thought it was disingenuous that I was training them and

866
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about jiu jitsu. So then they

867
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: sucked me in and then I started doing it, and

868
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: it's been really good for me for the fact that

869
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: when football ended, I figured, like that combative style of

870
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: my life it kind of ended, and I would go

871
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: box and stuff, but I wasn't never going to get

872
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: in the ring and compete, so it's just like hitting

873
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: the heavy bag or kind of doing some light stuff.

874
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: And then when I got into JITs and I went

875
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: out there and I was like, oh, like, it's great

876
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: to have something to train for. And I realized what

877
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: I was missing in my life was I just didn't

878
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: have anything to train for. Like you've got into hunting

879
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: and some other things, but you need to have that

880
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: like this is what gets me hundred percent.

881
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially that's your background, right, that's what you did

882
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 2: your whole life.

883
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: Yeah and so and then also my wife makes a joke,

884
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: She's like, you wouldn't be into this if you guys

885
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: were even weren't training the best guys in the world

886
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: on hundred percent, Like like a high tide ride rises

887
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: all boats, iron sharpens iron, you know, like I I'd

888
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: like appreciate if it was just some like black belt

889
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: dad dad, bod dude he was teaching stuff I would

890
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: have been in. You show up with like a twenty

891
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: five year old Brazilian kid who is absolutely smashing it, yeah,

892
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: and then being like as he's choking up, being like

893
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: you're doing so good, I'm so proud of you, and

894
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: you're like.

895
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: Shut up with you. Two things. So, the one thing

896
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: we've talked about getting into jiu JITs did you have

897
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: any major injuries or did you have any major you

898
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 2: got sidelined? You said, but how does that go with

899
00:34:59,400 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 2: jiu jitsu?

900
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: Like, so, I have an issue, I have like a

901
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: bone chip in the back of my knee which is

902
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: limiting range of motion, and then.

903
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: I have pain when you get past that range of motion.

904
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: Well, it just stuck. So I was supposed to get

905
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: a surgery like ten years ago, and I just have

906
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 1: put it off my right now, Okay, I got left

907
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: and then my shoulders stinged up, so I can't put

908
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: my hand over my head anymore.

909
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: We got almost the same thing because I've always like

910
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 2: I've wanted to try jiu jitsu, but I'm like.

911
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: The and to finish it, hopefully business will give you

912
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: a little bit of solis. Because of the training we do,

913
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 1: We've found a way to develop incredible range of motion

914
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: in the hips. And so because I've so I'm so

915
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: flexible in my hips, I can cheat everything. So like

916
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: I have like an interesting way that I play where

917
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: people don't know that I'm limited in these ways. So

918
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: the problem is is a lot of guys come in

919
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: that don't have hip flexility, and because they don't have

920
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: that hip flexibility, and they can't really do shit all right.

921
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: And so the other problem too is people really suck

922
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: with like no transverse rotation, so like the ability to

923
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: be here and be able to do frame and it's

924
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 1: just it just comes down to, like does the training

925
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 1: allow you.

926
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: To do.

927
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: And I can I'm sure, yeah, I think it's just

928
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: being able to hide it. But like, for example, Victor

929
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: who I trained, was a top ultra. When he came

930
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: to me, he had L four L five to the

931
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: point where it was so crippling that when he went

932
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: to the ADYCC he couldn't fight on his feet. He

933
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: had to literally start on his back and like just

934
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: basically like sit down because he couldn't stand on his feet.

935
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: And he's one of the best in the world off

936
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: of his feet. Now what's weird is if he's on

937
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: his feet, his level athleticism is probably about three or four. Really,

938
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: you put that dude on his butt and he's an eleven.

939
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: I've never seen anybody. It's like, you take that guy

940
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: off his feet, and his ability to move on his

941
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: back and be able to do all these kind of

942
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: understuff for a guy his size is like nothing I've

943
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 1: ever seen, to the point where he's it's frightening to

944
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: roll with him.

945
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: Really.

946
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 1: The other day, there's a thing called they called octopus

947
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: guard where you're inside control, and he kind of sat up,

948
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: grabbed his leg and then kind of like got me

949
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: off balance, kicked his leg under and he put it

950
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: hand and did like a Turkish get up with me

951
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: on his hip, and I'm like, like literally like I

952
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: started kind of like, well yeah, because I thought he

953
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: was gonna done because I'm thinking of all that, you know,

954
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: torturing them on the bikes.

955
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: And all the train I'm gonna get this best.

956
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: And I thank god he didn't. He didn't hurt me.

957
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: But I'm always like, dude, don't hurt me, don't hurt me.

958
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: But it's it's been really just uh, it filled a bucket.

959
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: I didn't know I was missing with not only community,

960
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 1: but also being around some young guys yep that were

961
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: training hard because the problem is is my age, like

962
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: most of these dads don't do anything. And then they're like,

963
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: oh man, look pretty fit. What are you doing. I'm like,

964
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: I get beat up by these Brazilians and I try

965
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: to kick their ass every day. So it's been good

966
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: for me.

967
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: That's awesome. Yeah. No, I think the other thing was

968
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: that was the first thing. And then second thing I

969
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 2: think is exactly what you said, and we kind of

970
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: preach here with Mayhem with hunt is trained for something,

971
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: have something you look like I don't. I'm not a

972
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: goals guy. I'm not I don't look especially now with

973
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 2: you know, with a bar bell, I'm never going to

974
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 2: hit a pr again on a bar bell, right, and

975
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 2: so for me, those are those days are gone. But

976
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 2: I can put a date on the calendar that's a

977
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 2: CrossFit like I've done. I did three local local partner competitions,

978
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: one in July, one in August, and just finished one

979
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 2: this last weekend or in October, and then hunting season

980
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: and then two years ago for two years I did

981
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: lead build one hundred mile mountain bike race. And I

982
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 2: need something exactly like you're saying, I need something to

983
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: maybe obsessed a little bit about, but like, yeah, you know,

984
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 2: one hundred percent as long as it's not sacrificing you know,

985
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: family time, because I'm at that point in my life. Sure,

986
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 2: but like I still need need to not feel dangerous,

987
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 2: but you need to feel like you need to feel

988
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 2: dangerous a little bit, right, you know, Like I need

989
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 2: to do something that's you know, worth worthwhile or worth

990
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 2: training for us. What's the point Why am I, you know,

991
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 2: grinding in the gym or doing whatever if you don't

992
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 2: have a date on the calendar that you're aiming at, right.

993
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: Well, it's also who like so that this is an

994
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: interesting piece is I think I don't know, like I said,

995
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: like you know, I think it's a pro athlete, like

996
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: you live in this weird Ivory tower where like I,

997
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: like I said, I got the chance to one on

998
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: one fist fight the toughest dudes in the world for

999
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: a decade every Sunday in front of millions of people

1000
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: wearing white spandex, and like like when you break it

1001
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: down like that, people are like really, I'm like, yeah,

1002
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 1: I never touched a ball, right, Like I just got

1003
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: to basically impose my will, and I think that I

1004
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: think I did.

1005
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 2: Okay.

1006
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: I know a ball bounced up one time and I

1007
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,479
Speaker 1: got it and like seventeen people hit me at once,

1008
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: and then the next time that similar thing came up,

1009
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: I just kicked it out of bounce. I was like, man,

1010
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: I don't want touch this thing because my hands were

1011
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: so like taped up.

1012
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 2: I was like I can't.

1013
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that like level of addiction of like I

1014
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: know exactly who I am and what I'm doing, and

1015
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: I know the you know the results of my hard work,

1016
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: right and uh, dude, I was telling somebody the other day,

1017
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, don't be upset about the results you didn't

1018
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: get because you didn't do the work. We just had

1019
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 1: our big power ethic collective for all of our coaches.

1020
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: And John McPhee, who's a former Delta guy. He was

1021
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: on like Rogan and Sean Ryan. He teaches some shooting stuff.

1022
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: So he came out and taught a shooting course for us,

1023
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, like you guys, like I hunt

1024
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 1: every night and I very concealed, so I shoot constant constantly,

1025
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: you know, Like I feel like if I'm going to

1026
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: carry a gun, I need to be proficient. Like once

1027
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: a month I dry fire, but then once a month

1028
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: I stopped. I shoot my duty loads, reload, and then

1029
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: I go back. So we got out and we were shooting,

1030
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: and I was watching guys shoot and like they're like

1031
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: all over the place, and uh, one of the guys

1032
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: had like a pretty badass race kimber and like he

1033
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: was like I don't know what he was aiming at.

1034
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: I was like, we see that thing, and I basically

1035
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: key hold like ten shots and he's like, man, I'm

1036
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: like yeah, but I actually shoot practice. Yeah, Like, don't

1037
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: be upset that like you didn't get it in when

1038
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: you don't do this. Yeah, And I think the same

1039
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: thing for JITs and for fighting combat as because I

1040
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: run into people all the time and be like, oh,

1041
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: I'd be able to handle myself.

1042
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, really, I don't know.

1043
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: I was like, what if the dude knew how to fight?

1044
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: Or what if like these situations like and do you

1045
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: have the stamina? Have you ever taken a shot? Like

1046
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: do you really know? Have you ever tasted you on

1047
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: the fight club? You ever tasted your old?

1048
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1049
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: Have you ever broken a finger and had to reset

1050
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 1: it in between plays? And like that level of readiness,

1051
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: you got a plan til they get punched in the mouth?

1052
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 1: Mike Tyson h Yeah, and like I've been in that situation. Yeah, literally, yeah,

1053
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: many many times. And it's just it's good to know that,

1054
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: like you have a plan, right, and you've prepared for

1055
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: these things, and I think a lot of people just haven't.

1056
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, I mean even to the hunting side

1057
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 2: of it. You know, we practice archery. I lean towards

1058
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 2: archery more rifles. We went out and shot rifle because

1059
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: we are going this week hunting. Yeah, Elk and so

1060
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 2: went out tested a new rifle that we just got

1061
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 2: from Sick it's also seven mil prc alm. I've been

1062
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 2: shooting a three hundred win, but this dude, that's seven mil. Yesterday.

1063
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 2: Yeah it felt good.

1064
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: So I bought my son a six arc okay, yeah,

1065
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: so that small frame QLLC even that many fixed and

1066
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 1: six arc that thinks a laser.

1067
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 2: Paid this thing out to one thousand. First, we had

1068
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 2: some dope from one of our buddies that has a

1069
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: similar round. First shot bulls eye thousand yards. I was like,

1070
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: and we're on a sled, like a gun sled, but still, yeah,

1071
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: it blew in my mind. It was nice. But so

1072
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: we shoot archery a ton and right, and so we

1073
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 2: try to and we we catch flak on the internet

1074
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 2: because we'll do cardio and try to shoot or do

1075
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: you get flack on that because guys are like your

1076
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 2: mechanics bad mechanics, you're you know, it's it's the same

1077
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 2: technique versus intensity thing that you hear in CrossFit all

1078
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: the time of like there's a there's a fine line

1079
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 2: that you're trying to hit, right, dude.

1080
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: So I was very fortunate to get a tuliolk, which

1081
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: is in California. They're in danger. Yeah, so my buddy

1082
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: friend of ours is eighteen thousand acres in California. Okay,

1083
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: he's the third largest private landowner. It's big in Californiaeah,

1084
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: it's big. So he gets landowner tacks. That's the only

1085
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: way you're going to be able to hunt tuliolk for sure.

1086
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: So we went out to go hunt those a couple

1087
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: of years ago, and we chase those things through the

1088
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: mountains for three days with both so awesome, right, I

1089
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: never got within a half a mile these they would

1090
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 1: bugle and we would run, and like I'd go there

1091
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: and they'd be like a mile this way always. So

1092
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: then on the fourth day, the guy was like, hey, man, rifle. Yeah,

1093
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: so I shot a three hunder wind mag It was like,

1094
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 1: I think just over like five fifteen yep, one hundred

1095
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: and ninety grand hit it and the shoulder knocked it down.

1096
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, thank god we brought right

1097
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: because I have never killed anything big with a boat ritz.

1098
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: It's I mean like turkeys and like, you know, some

1099
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: small deer still, but like never. And then I see

1100
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: like my buddies out in Oregon that are basically bow

1101
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: hunting these like Roosevelt els one thousand pounds and they're

1102
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: taking these things down like Andy stump posts some stuff.

1103
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, how, But then I realized, like, one, you

1104
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: got to be super efficient. You got to put yourself

1105
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: in the situation, and you have to have the time

1106
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: to invest to go out to It's not like somebody's

1107
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: dropping you in.

1108
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 2: No.

1109
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: You know, in Texas they have what I called the

1110
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: peanut butter hunts. Oh yeah, where the guys put peanut

1111
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: butter on the end of the barrel and the thing

1112
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: comes up, like I said, they shoot it.

1113
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1114
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see that stuff all the time. I went

1115
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: to a guy's house and they had this like you know,

1116
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: they're feeding all these like crazy minerals and all this thing,

1117
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's embarrassing. Why do you want that

1118
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: thing on?

1119
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: Right?

1120
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: It's like, show me. He's in this blind, they have

1121
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: a camera, they're and they're drinking, you know, and they

1122
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: shoot this thing at like five yards and I'm like,

1123
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: that's not hunting, right in Texas, that's kind of hunting.

1124
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: Like I feel like you got to serve forward a

1125
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: little bit.

1126
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's you know, we've been on hunts where first

1127
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 2: day we killed something by grace of God and it's

1128
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 2: still awesome. But man, the first one that I killed,

1129
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: it took me five trips, like thirty something days, and

1130
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 2: that's the only one that's hanging on the wall. And

1131
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: it's a five by five. It's not even a big elk,

1132
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: but it's you know, it means something. And so yeah,

1133
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 2: this is the shared suffering. It's the brotherhood, it's the

1134
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 2: you know memories you have with that. But yeah, it's

1135
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 2: having that date and having something to push towards or

1136
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: train for, and you know, we to go back to

1137
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 2: you know, we'll do high heart rate shooting. We've done

1138
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: like eighty percent of a deadlift for three or four reps.

1139
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: Shoot on the minute and you know, just to tax

1140
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 2: that nervous system. But guys are just like, oh, you

1141
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: can't do that, And You're like no, because when that

1142
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 2: animal walks out and you start doing this, you know,

1143
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: it's a way different experience.

1144
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I watch like Bird's Sworn and those guys, you know,

1145
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: they I mean, like Burden, those guys are like hitting

1146
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: shots of like eighty yards. So I like, go out

1147
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: and of course I set up. I'm like, we see

1148
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: if I can hit these things, and I'm just losing

1149
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 1: twenty dollars, but like like arrows to the point where

1150
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: they're like going in the grass and I have no

1151
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: find them.

1152
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's the worst.

1153
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: I just lost like two hundred arrows trying to hit

1154
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: this thing.

1155
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 2: And I thought our tie was cheaper than shooting rifles.

1156
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I got to go buy new arrows,

1157
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: and the guys got to explain it, and you know,

1158
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: oh my god, we got to oh shop here.

1159
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: If you move to Cookville, oh man, still hot, but

1160
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: not as it's not as this is, and you get

1161
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 2: like two to three months. Like what I always tell

1162
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: people is you got about six six weeks of you

1163
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 2: got six to eight months of great weather, and then

1164
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 2: we have two months of months.

1165
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: Like I'm naive on Tennessee. We're in Nashville and your

1166
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: your eastern Nashville.

1167
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're an hour eastern Nashville and our half west

1168
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 2: of Knoxville and about an hour and a half north

1169
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: of Chattanooga. So like Tennessee, I always tell people, Look,

1170
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: when I was a kid, I was it looked like

1171
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: a rifle, like a slanted rifle. We're like almost in

1172
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 2: the middle, but more towards the east. Yeah, so the

1173
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: right at the Appalachian Mountains are starting right now, like

1174
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: in the.

1175
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,720
Speaker 1: Field, like it is it called the Smoky Mountains, Smoky Mountains,

1176
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: So yeah, like that's that's a pretty are We were

1177
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: driving around like this is beautiful.

1178
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 2: And it's starting to switch colors and it's it's awesome.

1179
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: Texas is by far the ugliest state of hill country.

1180
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 2: I went. I went hunting in hill country the first time.

1181
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 2: It's this year, and.

1182
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: That's where we live, okay, and it's the only part

1183
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: that's at least doable. But we haven't got rain in

1184
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: like five months, okay, so the entire thing is covered

1185
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: in dust and dirt.

1186
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 2: We were in Amarillo this last weekend and it just

1187
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 2: gray until you get to Palo Duro Canyon. I don't

1188
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 2: know if you've been to Amarilla, and we do a

1189
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 2: mountain bike race there, twenty four hour, four men relay

1190
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 2: there every year and it's beautiful. Like I didn't know,

1191
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 2: you know, I'd gone to Amarillo a bunch of times

1192
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 2: and then they're like, hey, we're gonna go ride in

1193
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: the canyon. I'm like, canyon, you know, your flat, flat, flat,

1194
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: huge canyon and it's beautiful.

1195
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: But yeah, and like like I think it's a big bend.

1196
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 2: That whole area.

1197
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: Yes, real pretty, but for the most part texts pretty ugly.

1198
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: I mean, and I can say that like you well

1199
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: and that and also from California, And I think the

1200
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: problem is is like he becomes such an elitist in

1201
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: California just for the fact that the weather it's perfect

1202
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: everywhere and it's most beautiful state in the planet.

1203
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: It really is.

1204
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: Like like I was a couple of years ago, we

1205
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 1: did a ride for Indian Motorcycle. Okay, they were coming

1206
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: out with this new bike called the EPI Pursuit, So

1207
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: they flew us to San Francisco and we rode these

1208
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: bikes down like one all the way through to Joshua Tree.

1209
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 2: Wow.

1210
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: So it was like eight days where I got to

1211
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: like basically ride through And I had grown up in California,

1212
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: but I had never ridden a motorcycle like that. I mean,

1213
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: We're driving through like Moral Bay and like, uh like

1214
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: all the yeah good, and I'm like, I can't believe

1215
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: I live in Texas. So I don't know, we'll see

1216
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: where we go. But about every seven years I get

1217
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,479
Speaker 1: the itch to move and I look at some maybe

1218
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: maybe potentially look at some new places. But my daughters

1219
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: are in eighth grade, so they're getting ready to go

1220
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: to high school, and so yeah, we're kind of in

1221
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: a weird spot. I'll see how they go. But I

1222
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: I do like the fact that I can hunt my land,

1223
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: and I do that every single night because I have

1224
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: to kill invasive species. So I have a tripod thermal

1225
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: rifle and I shoot kind of an SBR three O

1226
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: eight and then my son's got like that six arc

1227
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: and we had like a three hundred blackout and so

1228
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: he's he's on the cams too. U nine, Okay, Trice

1229
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: is eight. He killed his first year last year. Yeah,

1230
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: So I ended up shooting a big buck, and for

1231
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: some reason, the two does that he was chasing just

1232
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: were kind of like. The next day, we're like just

1233
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: milling around lost, and I was like, man, like, we

1234
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: could use those doughs. So I shot the one dough

1235
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: and the other dough didn't run. He's like, Dad, can

1236
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: I shoot it? And so he got behind that three

1237
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: oh eight, pulled it like knocked it down at eighty

1238
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: yards and I was like, oh you did, and then yeah,

1239
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: like it was nothing, like didn't even hesitate. And I

1240
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: looked at him I was like, well, he's like, oh,

1241
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: it's the same radical from uh Fortnite. Oh jeesus, And

1242
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: I was like, what is this game? So he's been

1243
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: playing this Fortnite game and they were like he's like

1244
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: a wizard shooting this thing. And I was like, dude,

1245
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: and he said, can I get a gun? I'm like, yes,

1246
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: let's go get it right now.

1247
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1248
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: And so he'll go out there and I think he's

1249
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: going to spoil hm because we shoot everything suppressed. Yeah,

1250
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: and we just sit in the back and plank and

1251
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: you know, set up targets and different things, and he

1252
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 1: loves it.

1253
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 2: That's awesome.

1254
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: So, like they can't do that in California.

1255
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 2: His son killed three doughs. The other night. We were at

1256
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 2: across friend of ours runs a he's got fifteen hundred acres.

1257
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 2: That's where it was.

1258
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: They take, uh, so he's got landowners. Well, well, so

1259
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: has hunting season started?

1260
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 3: It has, But Tennessee, you can kill three dos a day.

1261
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 2: You can kill two antlered bucks for the entire season,

1262
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: three domes a day. And so this guy has fifteen

1263
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 2: hundred acres. He takes critically ill kids and vets on

1264
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: hunts and so you know, they're mostly buck hunts, and

1265
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 2: so he's just got all these doughs that need to

1266
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 2: be cleaned up. So, like, what, eight of us went

1267
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 2: out there the other night and Ji, his son, was

1268
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 2: the only one that killed. We all had deer, but

1269
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 2: none within range. Nothing was within like seventy yards and

1270
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 2: gi birds. Text in the group He's like killed, one

1271
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 2: reloaded killed, another one reloaded killed, the third one. We're done.

1272
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 2: And I was like, you, maastard.

1273
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: So we for our wildlife exemption, I have to take

1274
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: five I have to like basically call five doughs.

1275
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.

1276
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: We're supposed to taking one buck with like two bucks.

1277
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: So for like one year I decided just to kind

1278
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:44,720
Speaker 1: of like let him go and I didn't take any bucks.

1279
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 1: And then that next year, about a week before hunting season,

1280
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: he was he got hit on the road. Oh and

1281
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: my wife's like the big bucks on the road, and

1282
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: so I like jumped in my truck and somebody had

1283
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: like and people take road kill time to Texas. So

1284
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: the guy somebody ended up put in the back of

1285
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: the truck and was driving away. I could see myntlers.

1286
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, so now I realized when I

1287
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: see him, I got to take him down.

1288
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 2: That's the neighbors around here. Nothing's growing past a four point,

1289
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 2: not a chance.

1290
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: So this is interesting and maybe have opinion on this,

1291
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: but I always thought that like the genetics were either

1292
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: like an a point or a ten point or this. Yeah,

1293
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: I didn't know that they could actually grow from like

1294
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: an eight to a ten and kind of grow.

1295
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 2: Way more things. Yeah, you know, I think genetics have

1296
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 2: a lot to do with it. And there's you get

1297
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 2: some goofy type stuff and different you know, points off

1298
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 2: of them, but yeah, a lot of it has to

1299
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 2: do with the dough, right, And I'm not I.

1300
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 3: Think everyone's some of them are just like skank cracks.

1301
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,720
Speaker 1: But so for for years I've been killing eight points

1302
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: because I wanted to try to like let the ten

1303
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: point genetics go. And I told that to a guy

1304
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: and he's like, that's not a real thing. I'm like,

1305
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: did I just learn?

1306
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 2: Well?

1307
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was, what do you mean? He goes, no,

1308
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: eight points are grown.

1309
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 2: To ten points?

1310
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, way have I been like

1311
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: misdoing this all these years? And then I realized, I'm like, man,

1312
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 1: maybe I'm not country enough.

1313
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 2: You're eating it.

1314
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh we always do. Yeah, we we have an

1315
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: incredible processor. We take it there, I eight deer sausage

1316
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: last night, right, we do like I'll cook it in

1317
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: like a big like I guess, like a Dutch Boy pot,

1318
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: and then we just put in like tomato sauce and

1319
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: I make the kids like spaghetti getty. Heck yeah yeah

1320
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: with that deer sausage. Like this is great.

1321
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure a lot of the guys on

1322
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 2: here be like I never shoot an eight point, but

1323
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 2: I'm an equal opportunity, especially here in Tennessee where we're

1324
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 2: at in Tennessee, all of our neighbors are going to

1325
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 2: shoot something if it's an eight or less. I had

1326
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 2: a neighbor. One of my neighbors told me he shot

1327
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: a big bodied spike here one year, and I was like, sweet,

1328
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 2: you know, big bodied spike, bodied spike.

1329
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, I do need to shoot my bow more.

1330
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 2: But I find myself like therapeutic. That's why I do it,

1331
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 2: Like I just enjoy. You know, with a gun, you

1332
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 2: gotta like there's just way more into it, right, you know,

1333
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 2: with a bow, I can just We've got papers from

1334
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 2: twenty yards out to one hundred in the front yard,

1335
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 2: and then we've got five targets over here property. Yeah,

1336
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 2: it's beautiful here, and then you know, you got the

1337
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: the stressful part about not shooting the bison behind the target.

1338
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 2: But other than that, you know, it's pretty good.

1339
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: It's a lot of land to manage. Yeah, I like

1340
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: I so like I said that, we have a little

1341
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: bar and creek cruncher a property and because the old

1342
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: man built a damn it's kind of like capture water.

1343
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: But it's super overgrown and so I have to I've

1344
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: been cleaning this thing out and like have to manage

1345
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: all this land, and like you got to have equipment.

1346
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: I got to have stuff to fix the equipment and

1347
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: like the amount of work that I have to do.

1348
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: When people talk about land, I'm like, yep, I would

1349
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: have land, but I want to have a house about

1350
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: ten miles away that's on a piece of property where

1351
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: I never had, Like literally, I want to have like

1352
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: where I could cut the lawn with like scissors and

1353
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: then and then yeah, and then I want like something

1354
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: like this because we're all on one and then I

1355
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: would just build it. And then because I work on

1356
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: trucks and fabricate, so which is another one, Like if

1357
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna have all stuff. Well, you got to be

1358
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: able to weld.

1359
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, for sure. So if you can't weld, oh

1360
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 2: that's why you and Watkins were walking welding.

1361
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: Well and trucks and all that like, because so like

1362
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: that's the greatest way to learn to weld. It's just

1363
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: fabricate off road trucks.

1364
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So.

1365
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 3: I do have a question, So, talking sports specific training,

1366
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 3: you went from football to all of a sudden just

1367
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 3: training these are jiu jitsu guys didn't know much about it, right,

1368
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 3: So just what did you learn in there or immediately said, well,

1369
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 3: I need to train this differently for these guys compared

1370
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 3: to So.

1371
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: There was a lot of epiphanies that I had in

1372
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: the training model in that the theories I had about

1373
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: training were one thing. But then when you start going

1374
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: and teaching seminars, and I was very fortunate to teach

1375
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 1: like hundreds of seminars around the globe, and basically people

1376
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: would show it for the CrossFit deal and I get

1377
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: to put them through to like a two day strength

1378
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: and conditioning I guess you could say diagnostic. And I

1379
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 1: realized that the people that I was working with were

1380
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: the least athletic versions of themselves. And the reason being

1381
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,720
Speaker 1: is that they'd effectively morphed into something that just looked

1382
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: like saginal playing bilateral hip pinching. And you know, I

1383
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 1: mean the problem is is that's the way the crossfait

1384
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: was design cross at mainsight is that it was just

1385
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: nothing but bilateral hipinging and a saginal plane. And athleticism

1386
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 1: happens in three planes of motion, you know, saginal, frontal,

1387
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: and transverse. You know different you know, primal patterns X,

1388
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,919
Speaker 1: y and z access. You can be able to step,

1389
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 1: squad and lunch, you know, in the different upper body stuff.

1390
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: And so what I did is I looked at the

1391
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: model for sports like let's say, like you know, athleticism,

1392
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: and then I created my own definition of athleticism based

1393
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: upon you know, what we had seen, which was the

1394
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: ability to seemlessly and effortlessly combined primal movement patterns based

1395
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,959
Speaker 1: to accomplish the own or novel task. And based upon

1396
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: that model of athleticism, you know, similar to CrossFit defined fitness,

1397
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: I'd defined athleticism. Now this is where things get really wild.

1398
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: Fitness is personal, right, So to say that fitness is

1399
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: universal is a complete misnomer, right, being like, the fitness

1400
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,720
Speaker 1: that you need to hunt is different than the fitness

1401
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: that you needed to win across the games. So to

1402
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: say that everybody need like has the same degree of

1403
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: fitness just didn't make sense to me. Athleticism it's universal.

1404
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: You can watch somebody. And I told Rory this. I

1405
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: obviously saw you in the cross of games. I'm like, man,

1406
00:54:59,280 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: this guy's.

1407
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 2: Kill in it.

1408
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: But I never really I didn't know whether or not

1409
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 1: you were athletic or not, right, and then I saw

1410
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: you play like a clip of flag football and you

1411
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: rolled out and you threw back across your body, and

1412
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: I was like, he's athletic. Right, So for me, I

1413
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,760
Speaker 1: had to see you do something, do something, do something athletic.

1414
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: I get that just basically going in a front like

1415
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 1: straight line, just basically suffering.

1416
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 2: You can't it's not athleticism.

1417
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean I remember Kalipa right, like they

1418
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,720
Speaker 1: did that zigzag run and he looked like he almost

1419
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: broke his ankles. And like I've trained with Jason, I've

1420
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: seen him and that's not his strong suits, not athleticism.

1421
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 2: He's our freaking straight forward athlete. But in that you know,

1422
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 2: you give him one task, right.

1423
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so what I'm focused on is how do

1424
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: I make the most athletic version of yourself? Because athleticism

1425
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: is the ultimate like pretty girl in the room, right, Like,

1426
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: I'm not a Ferrari guy, but if a front engine

1427
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: B twelve Ferrari pulls up, I'm gonna hear that noise.

1428
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 1: I'm I'll be like, oh my god, that thing sounds amazing.

1429
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 1: So athleticism, to me is the gold standard. So how

1430
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: do I take somebody and make a more athletic version

1431
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: of themselves? So when I started training these guys, I

1432
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 1: knew that they were highly skilled at jiu jitsu, right,

1433
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: but I didn't know how athletic they were. So I

1434
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,720
Speaker 1: put them into the same model because I had always

1435
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,439
Speaker 1: viewed athleticism in terms of like standing on your feet,

1436
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: like imagine a linebacker, you know, being able to move.

1437
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: But now all of a sudden, you talk about people

1438
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,439
Speaker 1: that play a sport that's a more competed, a sport

1439
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: that's like a three sixty gyroscope. They have to be

1440
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: strong in positions which I had never seen, like on

1441
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: your back here and this I mean to play bottom,

1442
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: play top. And so when I put them into the

1443
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: model and then the feedback I got from Shanji is

1444
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: they're strong in positions they should not be strong in.

1445
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: They have something different than what they had before. And

1446
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: that was kind of the piece I knew, and I

1447
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: was like, oh, so athleticism exists. It doesn't matter if

1448
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: you're standing on your feet if on your back. But

1449
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 1: they also have to have a high level training environment, right,

1450
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: Like the training is one thing, but the sports specific

1451
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: adaptation and who's around you and the competition. These guys

1452
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: have the most competitive training environment I've ever seen, Like

1453
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: I've never seen people going and legitimately try to kill

1454
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: each other for hours. And with that, it's like, you know,

1455
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: I mean, so they have the environment, they have the skill,

1456
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: they have the early adaptation, and they learned all that

1457
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 1: before they were strong. So I always think too, like

1458
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 1: Olympic lifting, if somebody's pretty strong when they come to

1459
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: Olympic lifting, they're going to muscle the bar. If they're

1460
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: pretty weak when they start Olympic lifting, they got to

1461
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: figure it out. Then they got to figure it out

1462
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: and then they get strong later. These guys start at

1463
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: such a young age, before they were strong, all they

1464
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: had was technique, and then they grew big and we

1465
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: gave them strength and now they're just savages and like

1466
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: in a good way. I used that word once in

1467
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: this guy. This African dude was like, that's kind of

1468
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: a like not a good word in Africa, and I

1469
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: was like, well, here, if somebody said that guy's a

1470
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: savage in the NFL, but dude's a savage, that's a

1471
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: good thing to us. But yeah, it was just basically,

1472
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: there is a model for athleticism, and that when you

1473
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: put people into the model that we've developed within the

1474
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: training space, I can you know, improve upon that. And

1475
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: then what's also cool with the way that with athleticism

1476
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: the blueprint I created, I can lay that on top

1477
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: of other people's programs and see where they're deficient and

1478
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: then help them. Okay, why can't I do this? We'll

1479
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: show me where you train this. Like one of the

1480
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: ones that we talked a lot about is a hip extension.

1481
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: Hip extensionally happens when you sprint, when the knees behind

1482
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: the glute.

1483
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 2: That's it.

1484
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: So like just standing up and like closing your hips

1485
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: on a squat's not hip extension. Hip extensionally happens when

1486
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: the knees behind the glute, So how do you train

1487
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: that if you don't sprint like maybe like a Bulgarian

1488
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: split squad, but you have to sprint, you have to

1489
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: do things for your knees behind the glute. Is that's

1490
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: one of the fundamental patterns of athleticism. If you don't

1491
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: do something with a knee behind the glute, then like

1492
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: you're leaving terrible hipps. You're not training a hip extension.

1493
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: And then how would you understand these positions? If I

1494
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: don't understand how to move my trunk and be stable

1495
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,439
Speaker 1: and strong in these different positions, Like if you don't

1496
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: train it or you don't know to train it, then

1497
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: how do you know what you're deficient at. I think

1498
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: what was fascinting about jiu jitsu is that they're constantly

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Speaker 1: looking for like pressure test to where somebody's weak. Can

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Speaker 1: this guy play this garden here? And people get kind

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Speaker 1: of stuck into one side. But I need them be

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00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: both bilatterally strong and then also never putting them in

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Speaker 1: a situation where we ever take away from who they

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Speaker 1: are in their wheelhouse. It'd be like for you, you know,

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Speaker 1: like you had a wheelhouse that you knew.

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Speaker 2: In that overhead squad and whatever. Yeah it's not as way.

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Speaker 2: Did you get deficient in that? Well?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but but I mean like you should, like you know,

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Speaker 1: the age old like Ohay's train. Your weaknesses I thought

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Speaker 1: was horseeshit. Yeah, probably my profanity if to use any

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Speaker 1: of it. I didn't know if we were uh you know.

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Speaker 1: But so for me, I was always like I always

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Speaker 1: had fast hands. So I remember I ran in a

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Speaker 1: Michael Strahan at a club in New York years ago

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Speaker 1: and he's like, you know, when we get in there,

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Speaker 1: the one thing they circle you is say when they

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00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: call you the straw that stirs the drink. But they

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Speaker 1: also are like, your hands are so fast, don't let

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Speaker 1: this guy get his hands on you. And that was

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Speaker 1: what I was. I was fast, Like I could set

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Speaker 1: to a position, bend my knees, and I could shoot

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Speaker 1: my hands and I knew like whether you're not you're

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Speaker 1: playing hot hands or whatever like my brothers and I

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Speaker 1: played that on car trips for hours. So I was

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Speaker 1: always fast hands and like like we did speedback, I

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Speaker 1: did everything to keep my hands fast, and like that

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Speaker 1: was what I you know, quick punch, fast hands. I

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Speaker 1: was never not going to train that, right, So you

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Speaker 1: have to decide. I talk to all the young guys

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Speaker 1: that we train, is like, what's your wheelhouse? What do

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Speaker 1: you do better than anybody else? Let's pour gas on

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Speaker 1: that and then bring the other things up, the other

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Speaker 1: things up as you come. So training athletes is really interesting.

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Speaker 1: And you guys know this like it. Our brains in

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Speaker 1: our eyes are designed to see symmetry, right when you

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Speaker 1: watch somebody move, you know, like somebody can step off

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Speaker 1: of a curb and take Let's just like I watched you,

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Speaker 1: you know, roll out. I watched him roll out and

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Speaker 1: throw across his body and I was like, I've seen

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Speaker 1: athletic people do that, and I've seen unathletic people try

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Speaker 1: to do that. And if it doesn't look seamless and

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Speaker 1: nefferless and not easy, yeah, but you can train that

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Speaker 1: with repetition. And I've watched you know, Tom Brady incredible,

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Speaker 1: but he is able to fool people into thinking he's

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Speaker 1: more athletic than he says because he was so regimented.

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Speaker 1: But like if you watch him, like he probably can't

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Speaker 1: jump over real well. I mean he's better today than

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Speaker 1: he used to be, but like his mechanics and his

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Speaker 1: perfection and his attention detail was like nothing I ever saw.

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Speaker 2: He just doesn't pick stuff up fast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but then he but he's so driven.

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Speaker 2: That he would do it. Yeah yeah, he'd figure it out.

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Speaker 1: Whereas I played with other guys that like like I.

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Speaker 1: We had a backup quarterback gun named j Feely, who

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Speaker 1: yeah yeah, so if you saw aj he kind of

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Speaker 1: look like an accountant and he was one of our backups,

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Speaker 1: Like he just like you didn't think he was a

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Speaker 1: football player. And I remember we played in a celebrity

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Speaker 1: golf tournament and like the place we were at out

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Speaker 1: of basketball court, he like went to and like shot

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Speaker 1: this fade away and I was like, wait a minute.

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Speaker 1: I was like where'd that come from? And like I

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Speaker 1: realized he was like he just was unassuming, but it

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Speaker 1: was incredibly athletic and moved really well. And that was

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Speaker 1: the interesting thing. Man. There were guys that like forced

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Speaker 1: their way through it, like putting like a you know,

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Speaker 1: like their shoulder the wind, I'm going to move this rock,

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Speaker 1: and the other people that was just seamless, neverless, gifted,

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Speaker 1: just gifted.

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Speaker 2: So you still watch the NFL I do team.

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Speaker 1: Now, you know, I root four different teams based upon players.

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Speaker 1: So I worked with a kid named Will Fries who

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Speaker 1: came to me and his contract year end up signed

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Speaker 1: five years eighty million. Last year he was he was

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Speaker 1: in the Colts, he went to the Vice King. So

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Speaker 1: now I've been watching him and he's been playing great and.

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Speaker 2: Uh Ions fan. So I was born in Michigan, so yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: how'd you get down here? My dad worked for TRW

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01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 2: airbag Inflators, moved moved the plant down here, and so

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Speaker 2: we've been here ever since. It's a bad place to

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Speaker 2: end up, No, it's pretty good. So but yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: a Detroit sports fan, so it's been a rough upbringing. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know Hank Frayley who played center for me or

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Speaker 1: center next to me at the Eagles CC offense.

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Speaker 2: A line which is awesome. Yeah, they've got a good

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Speaker 2: group there now with Dan and Catain Shepherd and dude.

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Speaker 1: It's they're fun to watch at least. They have a great,

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Speaker 1: great staff and it's a good style of football.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love how everything runs in patterns, Like I was

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Speaker 1: watching Scatterboo play.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: That dude has about a three year expiration.

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Speaker 2: That's what we were saying. I said, yeah, three is high. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's a high.

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Speaker 1: He might not make it out of this year.

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Speaker 2: No, And it's fun to watch, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Dude, it's it's great. I love the fact that I

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Speaker 1: cannot believe that many teams past.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I was watch like I didn't really

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Speaker 2: watch them until we were going we were driving to

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma and we watched that playoff game with Arizona State.

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Speaker 1: And oh h yeah the bowl game they played.

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Speaker 2: Or Texas maybe the first time I ever saw him too,

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Speaker 2: and I was like, I was like, he's puking on

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Speaker 2: the sideline, like I.

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Speaker 1: I was so impressed. And then when I got into

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Speaker 1: the draft and I'm like, I can't believe somebody's not

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01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 1: going to take a chance on the r the team's

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Speaker 1: passed up on them, and that kid's running the rock,

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01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 1: Like I haven't seen anybody run the rock like that

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Speaker 1: since like John Reggins, John Allstot like I played with

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Speaker 1: guys like that.

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Speaker 2: We just talked about this on a podcast. I was

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Speaker 2: like coming back around to like the full back, you know,

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01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:43,959
Speaker 2: tight end full back ish era.

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Speaker 1: So they the the NFL got kind of neutered, you know,

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01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: it became just like the big pass game, and the

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01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 1: problem is that the defenses became so just unwilling to

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Speaker 1: hit anybody. Yep that I think now that like the

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Speaker 1: offenses are like, well, the defenses are soft because we're

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Speaker 1: nervous hit anybody. Let's just put a big full back there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So now you see teams actually running a full back

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Speaker 1: just like, I can't believe. This is the best.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the football. I like, there's a football

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Speaker 2: you like, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's it's great to see the Yeah, it's like I

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01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: do like watching pro football. And the biggest reason now too,

1630
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: is just they have so many cameras. Like I remember

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01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: the first time I was playing and they were stringing

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Speaker 1: cameras above us. It was kind of like a little

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01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: like nerving. Yeah, Like all of a sudden there's like

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Speaker 1: a camera like like right above your head and it's

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01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 1: aimed right at you, and you're like, i's got a

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01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 1: holding penalty and things on me. Yeah. But now they

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Speaker 1: have I think something like seventy five cameras, and if

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01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: you ever see, they're like shooting all over and they

1639
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 1: can three D model stuff. So all of a sudden

1640
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Speaker 1: they pull it out and they do this three sixty things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen it.

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Speaker 1: It's incredible. I think what they've done better than anything

1643
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: is they've made it such a fan experience from home,

1644
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: like you understand what's going on. It's unbelievable. Yeah, yeah,

1645
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 1: thank you. What else you guys got anything else? We

1646
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: cover it all, You cover it all.

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Speaker 2: John that was also about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great, dude.

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Speaker 2: One.

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Speaker 1: I'm bum that I haven't met you guys before. Yeah,

1651
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 1: I know, dude, you.

1652
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 2: Know, appreciate your both big fan bigs.

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01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 1: Yeah thing, thank you for having me, dude, this is great.

1654
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: And is there anything any way I can never help

1655
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 1: or contribute to, let me know.

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01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 2: Let's do it. Anything else, Scott, that's good. Cool sou

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Speaker 2: mm hm hm