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Speaker 4: I know we gotta do something nuts next year.
Speaker 3: No figure, we'll figure it out. We're gonna need some
Speaker 3: help today, fellas what happened? Kurt's not here. Don't need
Speaker 3: y'all to actually talk and fill the show up.
Speaker 6: Hold on, wait, hold on, man one, you say it
Speaker 6: is as if I'm not sitting saying my boy, my boy, Kurt.
Speaker 4: Actually you do a few more than three.
Speaker 3: You know what's so great about this show? I mean,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of great things. Let let's be honest.
Speaker 3: It's the number one most viewed listen to, you know,
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Speaker 5: We are not.
Speaker 4: I'm not.
Speaker 3: I am not either.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what, man, we signed one more guy?
Speaker 3: Tell us about him? Mate, what's his name?
Speaker 5: Sadig? Charles? Okay, Charles okay, tell us about him? He
Speaker 5: didn't play lest Jesse he retired. Okay, here, okay, he
Speaker 5: retired last year.
Speaker 3: Okay, when you retired from a team, and don't you
Speaker 3: have to go back to that team.
Speaker 6: He reached out to Tennessee about coming back in Tennessee,
Speaker 6: you know, but he asked for his release, and Tennessee
Speaker 6: granted him his release. So that's how he came back
Speaker 6: from retirement and was granted his release. And he was
Speaker 6: supposed to be projected to be the starter last year,
Speaker 6: coming like in training camps when he was retired, but
Speaker 6: he was projected to be their starter last year. And
Speaker 6: then prior to that, he was in Washington, uh four
Speaker 6: years in Washington, I believe, was a fourth round pick
Speaker 6: out of l s u Go Tigers. And the word
Speaker 6: that I was hearing was that he retired. He he
Speaker 6: was dealing with some mental health uh stuff, And and
Speaker 6: now I guess he's cured or managing it better or
Speaker 6: the wrench do one of the other, one of the
Speaker 6: maybe all the above, maybe all the above. Maybe all
Speaker 6: the above is for Sadeek Charles. But it's another a
Speaker 6: guard that you put back in the mix. For the
Speaker 6: one thing I do I will say is while it
Speaker 6: isn't high end quality, it's still it's still shopping in
Speaker 6: the clearance section. There will be some level of competition
Speaker 6: amongst the offensive linemen not named Tyler Smith. Competition is
Speaker 6: good because Tyler Smith he's he walks in day one
Speaker 6: and he says, the rest of you bombs, get on
Speaker 6: my level because I'm the I'm the pro here, Okay,
Speaker 6: I'm the guy who doesn't have to worry about his job.
Speaker 6: And then you could say, Cooper BB is the next
Speaker 6: guy in line, is kind of got a really good
Speaker 6: solidified spot. They want to keep him at that that center,
Speaker 6: that center position.
Speaker 3: Think about what you just said, Tyler Smith year three,
Speaker 3: just three, four four, he's the man now, yeah, and
Speaker 3: he was in a room with men with two Hall
Speaker 3: of Fame guys and in four years and then you
Speaker 3: just said Cooper BB and what two.
Speaker 4: Years just your two will be your Yeah?
Speaker 3: Is this the next guy potentially?
Speaker 7: And you say he's our best he's our best offen
Speaker 7: slamming correct, Tyler, Yes, not down, okay, not even remember
Speaker 7: when we drafted what everybody said it was like a
Speaker 7: whole problem.
Speaker 4: Good if he was that tackle may have a differentation.
Speaker 3: How important do you think that was that they moved
Speaker 3: him because he realized that he should stay there.
Speaker 5: That's more and more, that's more important.
Speaker 3: I mean he played tackle his rookie year, if you remember.
Speaker 5: Yes he played tackling spots.
Speaker 8: But yeah, he is a mauler and he still have
Speaker 8: hand problems.
Speaker 5: But they will let you play a little bit.
Speaker 8: More inside than they will when it's obvious outside. Is
Speaker 8: that just because you're in traffic and yeah, you thing,
Speaker 8: that's right. Everything is up close and very quick.
Speaker 3: They give you a little more leeway because you you
Speaker 3: can retangling.
Speaker 5: Yeah you you You.
Speaker 3: Just don't see this arm come out when you're on
Speaker 3: the outside.
Speaker 5: And that's right.
Speaker 8: So I you know, but one thing we said about
Speaker 8: him his rookie year, but we we also allowed him
Speaker 8: to grow. Okay, well we see that jump with the
Speaker 8: with Oklahoma's finest, you know.
Speaker 4: So the difference is though I.
Speaker 6: Said, I'm gonna be positive about Tyler got because let's
Speaker 6: it's a new year.
Speaker 4: Let's let's let's let's try to hold some hope.
Speaker 3: Are you gonna Are you gonna be that way about
Speaker 3: the whole team and the coaching staff and ownership and everything.
Speaker 5: He probably thought about. He gave the man six months
Speaker 5: to keep his.
Speaker 3: Jab right, have you really have you reset from that position?
Speaker 3: Last week? He still the six monthly coach you and
Speaker 3: half that's what he's already got. Half he already have
Speaker 3: the half year, he.
Speaker 4: Got a year, he got a year.
Speaker 3: One season. You gotta he got, he got you to
Speaker 3: walk it back, but you're good.
Speaker 4: No, No, I'm sticking sticking to that.
Speaker 3: But we're being positive about it.
Speaker 4: By Tyler about Tyler got you.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna I'm gonna give him a chance to take
Speaker 6: a step back to see his flaws and his faults
Speaker 6: and hopefully go and get the training and the coaching
Speaker 6: that he needs and see what he brings this training camp. Now,
Speaker 6: I'm not saying that I'm staying positive all the way through.
Speaker 6: I'm saying I'm gonna give him a chance to see
Speaker 6: if he can right those wrongs. I'm gonna give him
Speaker 6: a chance. The leash is not very long from me,
Speaker 6: and it doesn't People will say it does, It doesn't
Speaker 6: matter what you. I have the mic. I'm speaking into
Speaker 6: the mic, so at this point in time, it matters.
Speaker 4: It does, So.
Speaker 6: My my, I'm gonna give him. I'm gonna give him
Speaker 6: a little bit of training camp leash. But there has
Speaker 6: to be and he has to take his jump for me,
Speaker 6: for Tyler Guyton has to be so.
Speaker 4: Big in the sense he has.
Speaker 6: To go from being down in the dumps to get
Speaker 6: back to being at least average. I'm not saying he
Speaker 6: has to be Tyler Smith. I'm not saying he has
Speaker 6: to be a Pro Bowl would be nice, would be
Speaker 6: a luxury to get back to a place where you're
Speaker 6: a left side of the line you feel like is
Speaker 6: Pro Bowl caliber players if you can go, if you
Speaker 6: can go above average to really good at BB to
Speaker 6: really good, really really good at left guard and then
Speaker 6: being above average to really good at left tackle, or
Speaker 6: we cook it with fish grease now because now I
Speaker 6: could do some things with that. Now I feel a
Speaker 6: little better. My blind side protected, you know, a part
Speaker 6: of my middle interior is protected. I can scheme around
Speaker 6: and do some other things on the other sid with that.
Speaker 6: With that, you know, the Cowboys have been spoiled with
Speaker 6: Richards at offensive line, and so you want everybody to
Speaker 6: be Philadelphia or Detroit.
Speaker 4: And we that that was us.
Speaker 6: That was the Cowboys for a good stretch when you
Speaker 6: had Tyranne and Ron Leary and Frederick's and Martin just
Speaker 6: couldn't miss you know you you you had you had
Speaker 6: just a wealth of a spoils and so yeah, but
Speaker 6: you know back to the to the Sadik Charles another
Speaker 6: guy that they'll bring in that will compete. They'll compete
Speaker 6: with t J. Bass and brock Hoffman and who else
Speaker 6: they brought in. They brought in the other kid to
Speaker 6: show the Dakotas Shepley and you got you still got
Speaker 6: awesome richards that be you know out there the tackle spots.
Speaker 6: So you gotta you'll have some competition heading into training camp.
Speaker 3: Question for you, Yes, sir, if one of these young
Speaker 3: guys walks up to you, even a older guy walks
Speaker 3: up to you in the training table and they see
Speaker 3: and they walk up there, they say, Coach Nate, I
Speaker 3: would really love for you to spend some time with me.
Speaker 3: I need some help on my what work. I need
Speaker 3: some help on my technique.
Speaker 5: Do you have time.
Speaker 3: To help me out with this? Would you have the
Speaker 3: time to help the gentleman out?
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 8: The first thing I'll do is to go to the
Speaker 8: offensive line coaching and see what techniques he liked working,
Speaker 8: what stuff he liked doing. I think the big flaw,
Speaker 8: and I know the big flaw with guys such as
Speaker 8: myself versus coaches that are coaching now is what worked
Speaker 8: for men, the techniques that work for me, and the
Speaker 8: style may not be who this kid is and may
Speaker 8: not more importantly, may not line up with what this
Speaker 8: coach teach. So I got to find out what this
Speaker 8: coach is teaching, how he's teaching it, and then now
Speaker 8: the basic punch and all of that, that's the same.
Speaker 8: Some coaches like to coming from inside, something like how
Speaker 8: the thumbs it and so you know, little things like
Speaker 8: that don't matter.
Speaker 5: Is what your feet can do.
Speaker 8: So I would like to get into some the things
Speaker 8: that the coach would like to do and then see
Speaker 8: how it fits this kid and then let him, uh
Speaker 8: find out who he is.
Speaker 5: Now. What happened to this kid last year guiding?
Speaker 8: Was he he he lost confidence after the third game.
Speaker 8: Once he lost confidence, he was beat. He was beat
Speaker 8: every time he lined up. So his I think his
Speaker 8: thing is more mental. Can he fight the demons last
Speaker 8: year and forget those demons and come out because he
Speaker 8: got feet? We talked about that all off season last year.
Speaker 8: I said, the kid got feet, y'all but he's still
Speaker 8: got to work on his on his punch, and he
Speaker 8: gotta work on his aim, and he gotta work on
Speaker 8: his strength. And I don't know how at that point,
Speaker 8: I didn't know how his confidence was. And I was
Speaker 8: trying to tell everybody just hold your horses, y'all think
Speaker 8: Michael Parsons bringing Michael Parsons the game that Michael Parsons
Speaker 8: bring during the season. He think he bringing it out
Speaker 8: hand training camp.
Speaker 4: No, he's not.
Speaker 8: Even though he's better than the average guy. When I'm
Speaker 8: half speed, I still can't beat Jesse when he have speed,
Speaker 8: because Jessic is a better athlete.
Speaker 5: So, but everybody was seeing last year.
Speaker 8: For this kid was wrong in training camp, and then
Speaker 8: he missed some great work. Both times we got went
Speaker 8: against the ram he missed I mean some great work
Speaker 8: because he was said this for him was wrong. So
Speaker 8: and I know what you asked me, what I help,
Speaker 8: But I would I would be glad to help a guy.
Speaker 8: But to me, it's more than me just going out
Speaker 8: there trying to show him different the way I see
Speaker 8: a three technique, the way he see a three technique.
Speaker 8: I do know this right here. What we need to
Speaker 8: quit teaching our kids. Is the short set. Short set
Speaker 8: to get you beat quicker than anything because you don't
Speaker 8: understand what you're looking at. You think because a guy closer,
Speaker 8: you can jump on him. You can jump on the
Speaker 8: right quick like. You still got to come with your hands.
Speaker 8: You still got to have your feet in the right
Speaker 8: position because of his other moves that he can make
Speaker 8: that short set. I hated teach the kid to set
Speaker 8: proper a thousand times and then let the short set
Speaker 8: be like your curveball. You got to have a fastball.
Speaker 8: You got to have a fastball. Then that curve ball
Speaker 8: looks way out of line. You know, it messes you
Speaker 8: up real bad and you can't hit it. But if
Speaker 8: you just all straight curveball all the time.
Speaker 3: Work, would more of your work be hands on foot
Speaker 3: feet or you got to be feet video.
Speaker 8: No, it got to I want I want to go
Speaker 8: out there, so he'd be thinking, takes a yeah, I
Speaker 8: want I want to go out there. That's how I learned.
Speaker 8: I looked at the film, but mostly I.
Speaker 5: Had to work. I was a guy that had to
Speaker 5: line up, had to do it, had to do it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was that type of guy, and that is
Speaker 8: the easiest way for me to learn. I don't know
Speaker 8: if most guys can look like Snepknowsky just could like
Speaker 8: just tell me what the play is and I'm gonna
Speaker 8: be all right. I was like, uh huh, we got
Speaker 8: to go out here and work on this, you know,
Speaker 8: so uh. But back to what you were saying, Yeah,
Speaker 8: I would be glad to have help a guy, as
Speaker 8: long as it lines up what that coach is trying
Speaker 8: to teach.
Speaker 5: We was mallers, we.
Speaker 8: Were not zone all this zone block and did it.
Speaker 5: Jesse lined up. I got Jesse.
Speaker 8: Jesse hold up for four quarters against me, you know,
Speaker 8: unless he was Jerome Brown, then I had the center.
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Speaker 3: right around the corner. I know this is not the
Speaker 3: draft show, nor do we claim to be the draft show.
Speaker 5: Even a draft show, don't be the right.
Speaker 4: Take a shot?
Speaker 5: No, I'm not taking a shot? Is just shot? No. No,
Speaker 5: It's like.
Speaker 8: We we we go through season out the season, out
Speaker 8: the season, and we can all try to project who
Speaker 8: is the best fit, what we like like you just act?
Speaker 5: What position do we like?
Speaker 8: I mean, I know what we should won't like because
Speaker 8: I watch Philadelphia and I watch the Washington Commanders. I
Speaker 8: know what we should like. But in the real world
Speaker 8: that ain't what everybody else like.
Speaker 3: So, so where do you feel good? We'll let you
Speaker 3: go first? Where do you feel like? Okay, I'm good.
Speaker 3: If we don't address this position in the draft at all,
Speaker 3: we can just add some free agents.
Speaker 5: Or some people.
Speaker 3: You can pick some do you.
Speaker 5: I think that was the wrong question.
Speaker 3: Is there any position?
Speaker 5: Oh, yes it is. Don't need a kick and we
Speaker 5: don't need a pump.
Speaker 3: There you go, game over. That's it. That's all I
Speaker 3: need to know. Is there anywhere you feel good?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 3: What's your least? Because I think none of us would
Speaker 3: say I feel good everywhere? Like even quarterback. I think
Speaker 3: you should probably try to pick up a quarterback somewhere.
Speaker 4: Right, they got Joe Milton.
Speaker 3: I'm not upset. The more I look at that, and
Speaker 3: the more I talk to my buddy that's a huge
Speaker 3: Patriots fan and follows all that stuff. He was kind
Speaker 3: of upset that they let him go for what little
Speaker 3: they did. You said, the Cowboys finally got a good deal,
Speaker 3: he said. Everybody New England's kind of pissed because they
Speaker 3: did let him go for such a good deal because
Speaker 3: he wanted to come here, so you know that's he.
Speaker 4: Says, they could have gotten more elsewhere.
Speaker 6: But Joe had requested because his family's big Cowboys fans. Yeah,
Speaker 6: his mom was a big Cowboy fan, and so he
Speaker 6: requested to come to the Allison.
Speaker 3: Good for them to do everything by the player. So,
Speaker 3: all right, where do you feel they need to address
Speaker 3: the least outside of kicker and returner. Ooh, that's like
Speaker 3: where would you address the least? Yeah, because I think
Speaker 3: we would all say you need help everywhere, even if
Speaker 3: it's just depth, right.
Speaker 6: I would say, I would say edge, I will say Edge, Powler.
Speaker 6: You got Micah Fowler, Williams, Neeland and Neeland?
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, even though Niland can be a three too, huh.
Speaker 4: Situation.
Speaker 5: Yeah okay, Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 4: And I would say it and and again.
Speaker 6: Would not be mad they got another pass rusher because
Speaker 6: like the names that I just named, Yeah, follow could
Speaker 6: be a pass rusher.
Speaker 4: But but Micah is the primarily of the of the group.
Speaker 6: Sam Williams, We're still trying to figure out all what
Speaker 6: Sam is?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: And can't they stay on the fee for the injuries.
Speaker 6: And then between sometimes the boone had penalties. We know
Speaker 6: what Neeland is in the run stopping game, but not
Speaker 6: really much a past pass rusher.
Speaker 5: Uh So, but that's it.
Speaker 4: That's it. I mean I'll be cheating by saying quarterback, right, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so would you be Is there a position in
Speaker 3: the first round that you would.
Speaker 4: Be upset that they took running back?
Speaker 3: Even if it was gent so you had no running
Speaker 3: back in the first round, give me anything the question?
Speaker 8: And I think I speak with Jesse on this. And
Speaker 8: the most recent guy is he?
Speaker 5: Is he Barkley? Is he Barkley?
Speaker 3: That that once everything?
Speaker 8: And you're talking about well wait and see we that's
Speaker 8: too that's too big of a risk.
Speaker 5: I'm with you.
Speaker 8: Just you everybody keep talking about running back. Oh he's
Speaker 8: that guy, he's that guy for real?
Speaker 5: We here. Would you bet your life on it? Man?
Speaker 5: Go get you off his line?
Speaker 3: Would Kurt? This is a writing question from Kurt. If
Speaker 3: the tight end Tyler Warren from Penn State is the
Speaker 3: best player available at number twelve, would you pick him?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: You trade back? I trade back or take somebody else.
Speaker 6: If if we get to twelve and Tyler Warren is
Speaker 6: our best player available, we've done something.
Speaker 5: I don't know. Something of them wrong, something terribly wrong.
Speaker 4: Some of us is something.
Speaker 6: Something ain't right, something's not right, some something shifted and
Speaker 6: twist it.
Speaker 4: You don't. You don't take Tyler Warren. We're talking about
Speaker 4: positional value.
Speaker 8: It's like they done took every offensive lineman knowing the
Speaker 8: man and people don't.
Speaker 5: Got multiple picks before they got to us, So you'd.
Speaker 3: Be upset if they went running back or tight end
Speaker 3: in the first round. I would those would be your two.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, don't don't, don't play around.
Speaker 8: Yeah, because you're not gonna get it out. I don't
Speaker 8: know if they would get it running back the ball
Speaker 8: that much. You know, I don't know this new guy,
Speaker 8: but that's action a lot. That's action a lot.
Speaker 3: Would you move? I would take a running back in
Speaker 3: the fresh round? You would, of course, which one? Well,
Speaker 3: if he's there, there's only one that you would take. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's the guy.
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, and he better be on the field. I
Speaker 8: mean every time, Dak, I mean, he better be running
Speaker 8: out there.
Speaker 3: He's the man.
Speaker 7: But he was probably I mean, people thinking that the
Speaker 7: Oakland's Oakland's at six Vegas.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry Vegas six. But well, on the.
Speaker 7: Draft show, we talked about it today is is Jacksonville
Speaker 7: is it could be sneaky getting in there and getting
Speaker 7: that too.
Speaker 6: So Jacksonville, I'm talking about telling my show when it
Speaker 6: comes to Jacksonville, Jacksonville is gonna.
Speaker 4: Shake this draft oo because that's true. They they're they're
Speaker 4: they're gonna make very quiet right now. They're gonna, They're.
Speaker 6: Gonna And the thing that I said was about because
Speaker 6: I know everybody's like putting tet Roll McMillan the receiver
Speaker 6: from Arizona to the Cowboys, and I said, like, if
Speaker 6: you look at who Liam Cohen is and where he's
Speaker 6: coming from, and they have Brian Thomas Junior there, he
Speaker 6: came from a place where they had Mike Evans and
Speaker 6: Chris Godwin with Baker Mayfield, I wouldn't be shocked if
Speaker 6: you go Brian Thomas because you wanted, you want to,
Speaker 6: you want to make the pick of Trevor Lawrence finally work,
Speaker 6: like really really work. You take a tetar Roll McMillan
Speaker 6: in the first round at that pick, and now you
Speaker 6: pair two really big time wide receivers. Really it's one
Speaker 6: big time wide receiver and then another receiver who has
Speaker 6: the potential to to to give you that and it
Speaker 6: looks a lot like the like the receiving package that
Speaker 6: he had in Tampa Bay. Now that changes some things now,
Speaker 6: right because tech goes at nine whatever it was, and
Speaker 6: now they could be a run on receivers now because
Speaker 6: everybody's kind of waiting on to see who's gonna take
Speaker 6: what before a run happened. So they they can they
Speaker 6: can take they can take the kid from Boise State
Speaker 6: asking gent that shakes some things up. So this Jacksonville
Speaker 6: is a is a quiet sleeper that can shift the
Speaker 6: way that this draft will go when it gets to
Speaker 6: that pick.
Speaker 5: The wild card.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in the draft?
Speaker 3: Would you trade up or down in this draft?
Speaker 4: When you say you say up, do you mean like
Speaker 4: into the top ten? Yeah?
Speaker 3: No, No, you either stay where you're at.
Speaker 4: Or you trade trade back?
Speaker 3: Would you trade back?
Speaker 5: Would you?
Speaker 4: I take that back the only way?
Speaker 6: I if for if on draft night, if on draft
Speaker 6: night the gas mask photos come out of a dual carter,
Speaker 6: if they catch Travis Hunter in the bathroom, like doing
Speaker 6: a Ray Charles line or something like that, and he
Speaker 6: falls to like ten nine, I pick up the phone.
Speaker 6: If one or two of those guys get to nine
Speaker 6: to ten, I picked the phone up. I picked the
Speaker 6: phone up. I picked the field just to see. I
Speaker 6: picked the phone up for Travis Hunter and that dual carter.
Speaker 6: If they get that deep, they get close up to
Speaker 6: like touch the hem of your garment.
Speaker 3: How high would you? How how far are we gonna
Speaker 3: have to beat the Ravens?
Speaker 5: How you're gonna have to beat the Steelers. They come in.
Speaker 3: How far would they have to fall for you to
Speaker 3: pick the phone up?
Speaker 4: Nine to ten?
Speaker 5: So that far? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, they get nine to ten.
Speaker 3: Abe, you got your hand on the phone.
Speaker 4: Hey, we look at the board.
Speaker 5: I'm like, hey, let me ask you this right here?
Speaker 5: Where does Philadelphia pick at thirty second?
Speaker 8: Because if they them two guys fall that far, they
Speaker 8: gonna you can bet they gonna run at it. You
Speaker 8: can bet they're gonna make that's a lot.
Speaker 4: They're gonna have to give up a lot. Yeah, they
Speaker 4: may have to from thirty second all the way up there.
Speaker 5: They may have to.
Speaker 6: But at twelve they if Travis Hunter get to twelve,
Speaker 6: I mean get to nine, what would you give up?
Speaker 4: Whatever they wanted?
Speaker 6: Really, tra duel Cardos Travis Hunter, if they wanted, if
Speaker 6: they wanted this year's first a third and next year's first.
Speaker 5: You'll do it switch or next year's first.
Speaker 4: Switch to move up?
Speaker 5: Who's higher?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Whoever higher? Yeah for Travis Hunt up? Yeah, you
Speaker 4: put Travis Hunter.
Speaker 5: The Saints have nine.
Speaker 4: Don't you think they need a wide receiver?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 6: Sainty's everything like us, They would they need everything that
Speaker 6: pick if he got there, so you have to get
Speaker 6: to eight, it's Carolina.
Speaker 5: If they're both there, Carolina ain't giving it up either.
Speaker 6: I'm just saying, if anyone you asked me, who would
Speaker 6: I move into the top ten four those two players?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, you got my only two?
Speaker 4: I would move up.
Speaker 3: Otherwise you'd stay where you're at.
Speaker 4: To go back, I definitely go back.
Speaker 3: Is this a draft where we think they might go back?
Speaker 4: It's very possible, because they've done that a lot.
Speaker 5: Go back and get who what positions are you talking
Speaker 5: about going back?
Speaker 4: And Okay, so let's let's let's run it down. Let's
Speaker 4: run it down.
Speaker 6: Let's let's say the Cowboys get to Let's say no
Speaker 6: receivers have made a run yet, and and let's say
Speaker 6: somebody at twenty, who's at twenty, Chris.
Speaker 5: Who's picking at twenty, who's.
Speaker 7: Picking at twenty?
Speaker 3: Yes, that would be Denver. That's too far though for me.
Speaker 3: So if going to twelve to twenty, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: If if Denver wanted at twelve, right, they wanted to
Speaker 6: move up to twelve and no receivers that come off
Speaker 6: the board yet, I one would move back to twenty
Speaker 6: because I'm gonna get one of the top four receivers.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna get either TETAROA Matthew Golden, Luther Burden, or
Speaker 6: a Mecca Abuka. You pair any one of them opposite
Speaker 6: the Ceedee Lamb, you gotta win. And then now I
Speaker 6: will probably pick up a second round pick. So now
Speaker 6: i'll have two second round picks. I can now go
Speaker 6: back in there and get a running back. Now I
Speaker 6: don't mind a running back in the second round. And
Speaker 6: then oh, I can get an I can get a
Speaker 6: defensive tackle in the second round. I can get a
Speaker 6: corner in the second round. I get an offensive lineman
Speaker 6: in the second round. I can get both. I can
Speaker 6: get two of those. I can get a running back
Speaker 6: and a defensive tackle on the second round. Because I
Speaker 6: have to have two second round picks. So those type
Speaker 6: of situations I'll move. I'll move back for because I
Speaker 6: think I think they're going receiver in.
Speaker 4: The first round.
Speaker 6: I've been on record to say what you're feeling about
Speaker 6: showing up the offensive line. I've been on records saying
Speaker 6: that I would, well, I'm a gun to my head,
Speaker 6: I would want to show up my offensive line.
Speaker 8: I've been listening to the other guys shows, and you know,
Speaker 8: because Norman they wrong. But I can't debate Jesse if
Speaker 8: he say he wants a wire receiver because God knows
Speaker 8: we need one. I can't debate whether we need a corner.
Speaker 8: God knows we need one. So it ain't about me debating.
Speaker 5: It's about you.
Speaker 8: Better sell your man. If you think it's a sell
Speaker 8: your wide receiver, you know I'm selling offensive line because
Speaker 8: right now they're in a rebuilding mold. They what six
Speaker 8: seven wins? Maybe five next year? So you that tells
Speaker 8: me you need everything everything. If you don't come out
Speaker 8: of this draft with whether you move back or not.
Speaker 5: All we need is a prayer. They got to hit first, second,
Speaker 5: and third round.
Speaker 3: You got to hit.
Speaker 8: These guys got to be productive whoever you decide to get.
Speaker 3: That's just it, all right, let's take our last break.
Speaker 3: By the way, you say five six seven wins.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you try to record me whatever.
Speaker 3: You I'm just saying the over under. That's a good segue.
Speaker 3: It's seven and a half. Kurt wants to know from
Speaker 3: us if we think they'll go over or under seven
Speaker 3: and a half wins.
Speaker 5: Well, jumping on that osmosis maybe can get thirteen.
Speaker 3: All right, this show just hard left ridiculous. See if
Speaker 3: anyone else thinks we can get to thirteen through osmos
Speaker 3: or Acid nine tea, ask to thirteen and we come back.
Speaker 3: I'll hang it with the pull.
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Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys. And I don't know about the national media.
Speaker 3: We were just talking about in the break overshown getting
Speaker 3: the number zero for the first time in Cowboys history.
Speaker 3: And I don't know about the national media if this
Speaker 3: has even been a story. But no other team in
Speaker 3: the world than the Dallas Cowboys would it be this
Speaker 3: big of a deal for a guy that has seen
Speaker 3: the field is little. Look thirteen games, love Overshowing. I
Speaker 3: think everybody on this show loves him. Jesse, you know
Speaker 3: you had interactions with him. I've had interactions with him.
Speaker 3: Great human being, exciting ballplayer. The fan base loves him.
Speaker 3: But for a guy to play thirteen games and be
Speaker 3: on the team, this is what his third year be
Speaker 3: a third year for this to be this big of
Speaker 3: a deal. Every single sports radio talk show in Dallas
Speaker 3: has talked about this for three days. What other place
Speaker 3: than the Dallas Cowboys is even a story anywhere else?
Speaker 3: It's sight here here, Oh he changed his number in
Speaker 3: the off seasons. Okay here, It's like it's been a
Speaker 3: it's been full segments on shows.
Speaker 4: He had a Cowboys, had a pr rule.
Speaker 3: Out, been making the jerseys.
Speaker 5: It's been the last jersey made this year.
Speaker 6: Body, nobody can sell a story like Terry's unbelievable and
Speaker 6: a whole hum kind of low profile off season. Jerry's like,
Speaker 6: let me drum up some some attention. Let me let
Speaker 6: me drum this thing up. Let me you know, I
Speaker 6: told you guys earlier in the year. You know, merch
Speaker 6: was down.
Speaker 4: Last year.
Speaker 6: Merch was down last year, has been that been that
Speaker 6: way for a long time. I heard from some people
Speaker 6: up there in the department. So what better way to
Speaker 6: get merch going again. Put out a whole campaign. They
Speaker 6: got posters, they got every I mean, it's it's you know.
Speaker 6: And to Mario, he's been on Get Up, What's the
Speaker 6: Morning Show? With the k Adams, He's been on NFL Live,
Speaker 6: He's been all he's been. He's running the gamut of
Speaker 6: sports shows. To basically say that he's wearing number zero.
Speaker 6: It doesn't happening. Joe Milk got a new number, Joe
Speaker 6: Milton wears Teddy wait't War nineteen No.
Speaker 5: One.
Speaker 3: We didn't do it rollout right, and it probably in
Speaker 3: total over the week, probably got more total airplay than
Speaker 3: the Lucas stuff. Now, the Lucas stuff was all day yesterday, Yeah,
Speaker 3: because he came back. But like, if you add all
Speaker 3: the minutes spent on it up, it probably had that
Speaker 3: much coverage in DFW.
Speaker 4: It's unbelievable.
Speaker 3: Unbelievable, all right, So Kurt sent us a little note
Speaker 3: and he had another writing question. The odds came out
Speaker 3: on Dallas or they probably been out over under? Right now?
Speaker 3: Of total wins is seven and a half? You threw
Speaker 3: out the number five, six, seven, You were spot on.
Speaker 3: Do you think they will hit Chris, you jump in
Speaker 3: on this too. Do you think they're gonna hit seven
Speaker 3: and a half wins? Would you take the Obviously they
Speaker 3: can't get seven and a half wins? So are they
Speaker 3: gonna be over or under this year? I'm gonna put
Speaker 3: them at eight wins, and I would probably put them higher,
Speaker 3: but I think you might get swept by two out
Speaker 3: of the three teams in your division this year.
Speaker 4: So that's four hastack.
Speaker 3: I think you could. I think the Eagles got your
Speaker 3: number on that defensive line. And then I think Washington's
Speaker 3: coming coming. They're coming fast, so no pause. So that's
Speaker 3: for right out of the gate. So then you've got
Speaker 3: another nine. So you've got to make up.
Speaker 5: Chris, you got that pulled up the people were playing.
Speaker 3: I bet he can get it real quick.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So that way we don't have You don't have
Speaker 8: to sit up and guess the Wolfings you're gonna get
Speaker 8: this year.
Speaker 4: Or what my number is.
Speaker 3: He's saying, the schedule, schedule, I can bring.
Speaker 7: It to you.
Speaker 8: You're good, Yeah, I mean, brother, you gotta where yet
Speaker 8: it's a it's a full rebuild, man. The Cowboys haven't
Speaker 8: been in this position since when Jess A full rebuild.
Speaker 5: This is a you know, whether they ever us said.
Speaker 4: Or not, what do you no?
Speaker 5: Full rebuild?
Speaker 8: There we go, Giants, Eagles, we allay, and the Commanders.
Speaker 8: You got Packers, chiefs, chargers, Vikings, Cardinals all right mm
Speaker 8: hmm yeah, so that's at home.
Speaker 5: You got the Baris, you got.
Speaker 8: The Broncos, you got the lines, you got the Raiders,
Speaker 8: the Raiders could be a win, the Jets could be
Speaker 8: a win, the Panthers could be a win, Broncos could
Speaker 8: be in the Giants and that may be a split.
Speaker 5: So you got one, two, three.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be close. That's gonna be close. I think
Speaker 3: eight wins, eight wins, and I think that's probably being.
Speaker 8: Chargers getting better. Vikings are good even if they don't
Speaker 8: have brother Donald in there.
Speaker 5: They are good. That home schedules rough, Commanders are good.
Speaker 3: Giants, Eagles, Commander's Packers, Chiefs, Chargers, Vikings, Cardinals.
Speaker 5: And you know the Carginals quarterback coming in here.
Speaker 8: He gonna be on the run because he can be
Speaker 8: like I'm gonnahow him when I used to be like
Speaker 8: an allot.
Speaker 3: I've been on this, I've been on this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, where are you at on that Jets?
Speaker 3: Seven and a half man's.
Speaker 5: Tough sticking with the quarter.
Speaker 6: You're telling me that this this man won't have a
Speaker 6: short least you win, like you win less than seven
Speaker 6: and a half games.
Speaker 4: That's crazy.
Speaker 6: I don't I think. I think. I think a healthy Dak.
Speaker 6: I think a healthy Dak gives you a chance, not
Speaker 6: for like serious playoff contention and like Super Bowl run.
Speaker 6: But it gives you a chance every week if he
Speaker 6: can stay healthy. Dak is staying healthy throughout the whole
Speaker 6: year and he's not missing any games.
Speaker 4: I'll say nine today. As now, this.
Speaker 3: Will chance is so optimistic.
Speaker 6: This will change training camp when I get a chance
Speaker 6: to see it, and as it's starting to come together,
Speaker 6: it will change.
Speaker 4: It will either go higher or lower. But I just.
Speaker 6: Because on making they win this year seven and you
Speaker 6: won seven and Dak missed majority of the season. He
Speaker 6: gotta be worth two more games.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, but a lot of players have left, even
Speaker 5: the depth have left.
Speaker 3: You're not You're not the same, Yeah, the same team,
Speaker 3: you're not playing with the same.
Speaker 8: Coaches have changed. That's so tough, coach. It's a lot
Speaker 8: of it's not going into this year. Coaches have changed,
Speaker 8: starting with your head coach.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna say I'm today on the defense has changed today?
Speaker 3: You say not, we'll revisit in a few weeks. Are
Speaker 3: you guys getting for a few months? Are you guys
Speaker 3: getting worried at all? That about the Micah deal? Is it?
Speaker 3: I think it'll get done yeah before camp?
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like when you say, are we gonna have another
Speaker 6: situation I'll say before the season, he's not gonna hold out.
Speaker 6: I'll say before the season.
Speaker 3: Why say he's not gonna hold out, Chris, mm hmmm.
Speaker 3: I have it on good sources that he would hold out.
Speaker 7: I just don't think he's going to. He said that,
Speaker 7: he says he doesn't want to miss stuff.
Speaker 4: Like that, Like I says a lot of things. I
Speaker 4: understand that.
Speaker 3: But the thing is the one thing that Michael Micah
Speaker 3: does like is money.
Speaker 4: And he's getting that regardless.
Speaker 3: He's gonna get the Well yea, I know, but if
Speaker 3: you hold out, you do have to give some of.
Speaker 4: It back, you know.
Speaker 6: You know that's not true, Chris. You know, you know
Speaker 6: they worked that out and it went into that contract.
Speaker 6: It's like, oh yeah, it was. That's a hundred thousand
Speaker 6: that he's supposed to be lost in training camp. It's
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, forty two million whatever it is,
Speaker 6: a hundred thousand.
Speaker 4: They worked that out.
Speaker 3: If you go work out one time of the off season,
Speaker 3: you get this bonus, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like that, No, No, that work that out. That's always.
Speaker 8: That's always, you know, And you know, ILike me and Jest,
Speaker 8: the only one think this way, okay, because most people
Speaker 8: think this, Well, okay, you're gonna get it.
Speaker 5: He's gonna make a.
Speaker 8: Thirty million a year, so six hundred thollary that well,
Speaker 8: I mean being you, Jesse, maybe you brother, that's.
Speaker 5: A lot, a whole lot to lot. So, but that's
Speaker 5: how Yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 6: If before the season, I think, yes, uh, before training camp?
Speaker 5: Hm hm, well he thinking about that. Let me tell
Speaker 5: you something.
Speaker 8: Tell me, is it anybody that we can draft where
Speaker 8: you can see that player saying this guy here in
Speaker 8: a year, boy, he's gonna be that man.
Speaker 5: Anybody that we can.
Speaker 8: Draft Jesse, Yeah, that wide receiver you're talking about, I
Speaker 8: don't think any I don't okay, So the wide receivers,
Speaker 8: to me, there isn't a wide receiver that we can
Speaker 8: draft that's gonna make me say he's better than CD lamb.
Speaker 3: Okay did we think did we think CD would CD
Speaker 3: when he came out? I did, because there was hype
Speaker 3: around Daz that Deaz was gonna be Daz right, but
Speaker 3: with CD or with CD, I don't remember when.
Speaker 6: People were shocked that he even got that, Like he
Speaker 6: shouldn't have. He shouldn't have got to the Cowboys. Was
Speaker 6: it seventeen.
Speaker 8: Yes, sir, he shouldn't have got he should have got.
Speaker 5: Were trying to get edge rustius.
Speaker 6: Man like as he was like as the driver was playing.
Speaker 6: Now you start to look like, wait, ain't nobody take
Speaker 6: him yet? And he starts saying like the teams and
Speaker 6: how it was lighted up. He was like, oh, he
Speaker 6: might he might make it. Yeah, he might, he might
Speaker 6: make it to And then he got close. He was like, oh,
Speaker 6: it's a steal, Like everybody knew. You rushed the card up.
Speaker 3: And did you know he was to be? Did you
Speaker 3: think he was gonna be what he turned into?
Speaker 6: I thought I thought early on that he needed to
Speaker 6: polish up some of his games, but I thought he
Speaker 6: had potential potential to play.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are any of these receivers in this draft,
Speaker 3: like he said, could be the man, like like a
Speaker 3: CD type college.
Speaker 8: In any player see that that that's my thing. If
Speaker 8: gent I hope'm pronouncing his name right. If he's that
Speaker 8: guy and Chris Man do a little research for me,
Speaker 8: you can tell me a fair Is he that gangster?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 8: I saw what he did in the playoffs for him
Speaker 8: just to get back to the offensive line was miracles.
Speaker 8: I mean the way he was moving his feet, the
Speaker 8: way he was making people miss, and to still rush
Speaker 8: for one hundred yards.
Speaker 5: To me, that was amazing. I think that was amazing.
Speaker 6: I think Jenty has to go to the right program,
Speaker 6: Like he has to go to the right team that's
Speaker 6: gonna really support him being the guy and put everything
Speaker 6: around him to be the guy because running back, you know,
Speaker 6: it's tough, man like like Saquon was good in New York,
Speaker 6: but he had a lot of things that he had
Speaker 6: to overcome whether and that's line.
Speaker 5: Are you that good?
Speaker 8: So that next year you'll be like, Okay, if we
Speaker 8: get an offensive line this gympty kid or this receiver kid, uh,
Speaker 8: this uh lineback and both we just get somebody in
Speaker 8: front of him.
Speaker 6: I mean, the only the two names that I mentioned earlier,
Speaker 6: the two names that I'm almost positive that Duel and
Speaker 6: Travis Hunter. I'm almost positive, Like when we're gonna look
Speaker 6: up next season, it's gonna be a two's gonna be
Speaker 6: a two horse race for.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be.
Speaker 3: Those Travis Hunter is a defensive back.
Speaker 4: I think he starts there.
Speaker 6: I think that should be primarily prim primary UH position,
Speaker 6: and then you have some packaging.
Speaker 5: Because he's a natural corner. He's very natural.
Speaker 6: I mean, his body movement is so it's so it's
Speaker 6: so amazing, like it's so amazing. But if he's gonna
Speaker 6: play both ways, you can. You can be a full
Speaker 6: time corner and a part time receiver. You can't be
Speaker 6: a full time receiver and a part time corner. And
Speaker 6: that's so it's a very thin line. It's a very
Speaker 6: thin line because here's here's here's the risk.
Speaker 4: That you run.
Speaker 6: And not not to wish just on this young man,
Speaker 6: but to have a dude playing like he did in college,
Speaker 6: you lose him for any amount of time due to injury.
Speaker 6: You don't lose one player, you lose two starters. And
Speaker 6: that's the difference. You lose two you have to replace
Speaker 6: two stars. So that's why I'm like full time corner
Speaker 6: moonlight receiver. It's it's tough to do the other way
Speaker 6: around because if you full time receiver, you can't really
Speaker 6: moonlight corner like you come in and out. But I
Speaker 6: need you out there now. I need you like I
Speaker 6: need the corner to be out there, like I need
Speaker 6: my left tackle to be out there. You can't you
Speaker 6: can't get tired. See receiver, tap out, I run two
Speaker 6: three goals. Yo, Hey I'm tapping out left tackles. Don't
Speaker 6: tap out.
Speaker 4: That's the hurt.
Speaker 7: I think he's different though, I mean he did all
Speaker 7: that and he mean he played for Colorado. I mean
Speaker 7: that's that's high light up there. But both ways, you
Speaker 7: know what I'm with Jesse, You got to slowly because
Speaker 7: it he did not play the talent that he's going
Speaker 7: to face an NFL. And Dion is so confident that
Speaker 7: this kid can do it.
Speaker 4: Too, Chris, but.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, this is grown men.
Speaker 7: There's a couple of games that are going to draft
Speaker 7: him as just a wide receiver.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that focuses on you. And so my my thing
Speaker 8: is prime tell him to do it like you did it.
Speaker 8: Full time corner like Jesse's talking about, and moonlight at
Speaker 8: the at the at the wide receiver position, get you
Speaker 8: some punk returns, you know, do something special like Daryl
Speaker 8: Green did, special teams and and full time corner. Because
Speaker 8: when you become a wide receiver, you are filling into
Speaker 8: a scheme and if you legit, the second guy they
Speaker 8: got plays schemed up for you, and when they need
Speaker 8: you the most, you can't be like you can't.
Speaker 5: You can't tap out when they need you the most.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, well we're tapping out times up. Good stuff,
Speaker 3: fellas next week. I don't think I'm gonna be here next.
Speaker 8: Dude gonna explain it. It's me D nine win when
Speaker 8: we get off to his app Yeah you are.
Speaker 4: I think I think that good for least two more.
Speaker 4: I just do.
Speaker 3: That's a good logic.
Speaker 4: I think he's good for that's good logic.
Speaker 8: So Vegas and you know, And I just want to
Speaker 8: say congratulations to Derek Eagleton from there Hanging with the
Speaker 8: Boys podcast.
Speaker 5: You know, new senior guy. We just want to thank you.
Speaker 5: I hope you senior citizens. You know you say he's
Speaker 5: a senior. He moved up to a senior, right.
Speaker 6: I think Derek die his hair because he's older than me.
Speaker 6: And he got wing. I got way more graz than him.
Speaker 5: He might, but he ain't had the words you had. Yes,
Speaker 5: I mean that's right, you've had some words, bro.
Speaker 4: Derek woke up in the third base. Huh yeah, I'm playing.
Speaker 5: I'm playing all right, fell a box yo.
Speaker 3: Sorry, Chris, thanks for keeping us on the air. Jazz
Speaker 3: and Josh, thanks for keeping Chris company. We'll be back
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