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Speaker 2: I'm Dan Horne and thanks for downloading the Bengals Booth

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Speaker 2: Podcast The I Can't Quit You Babe. Addition, as the

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Speaker 2: Bengals fall to four and eight losing a shootout to

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Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers forty four to thirty eight, coming up

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Speaker 2: radio replays, locker room comments and postgame analysis from Dave Lapham. Then,

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Speaker 2: ponder that mystery, let's get to the radio replays from

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Speaker 2: Sunday's AFC North Battle in the Jungle. It is December first,

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Speaker 2: and winter has arrived in Cincinnati. The game time temperature

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Speaker 2: is twenty five degrees. With the wind chill, it feels

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Speaker 2: like if nineteen degrees. In other words AFC North weather.

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Speaker 2: As we get set for a bare knuckle brawl between

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Speaker 2: the Bengals and the dreaded, hated but grudgingly respected Pittsburgh Steelers,

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Speaker 2: and it is time for the pig skin to fly.

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Speaker 1: Here at pay Corp Stadium.

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Speaker 2: Wilson in the gun, the thirty six year old QB

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Speaker 2: nine time Pro bowler in his first year in a

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Speaker 2: Steelers uniform. He's back to pass.

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Speaker 1: His throat better accepted running you back is Cam Taylor Britt.

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Speaker 1: He's at the thirty five the thirty get to the.

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Speaker 2: Field block, get the five to the goal line, touchdown.

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Speaker 1: Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Cam Taylor Brent with a pick six to put Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: on the scoreboard. It is second down and two in

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Speaker 2: the red zone at the Cincinnati seventeen. Russell Wilson catches

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Speaker 2: the shotgun snap wide receiver screen caught by pickins down

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Speaker 1: Touchdown. Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: Burrow will be under center with Chase Brown lining up

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Speaker 2: behind him. Back at the eight yard line. The Bengals

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Speaker 2: have multiple tight ends in They're on the right side,

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Speaker 2: overloaded to the right. Burrow takes the snap, gives it

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Speaker 2: to Chase Brown. He goes low and he gets into

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Speaker 1: Touchdown.

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Speaker 2: Second down and eight for the Steelers at the Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: It is caught in the end zone by Austin for

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Speaker 1: Calvin Austen with the catch.

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Speaker 2: Man Russell Wilson has his second touchdown pass of the game.

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Speaker 2: Burrow yelling out, kill kill so he is changing the

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Speaker 2: play from one play to the other, chases out to

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Speaker 2: first time today. They take advantage of the fumble that

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Speaker 2: that thirty eight yard field goal try for Evan McPherson

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Speaker 2: It was not before it went through the uprights and

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Speaker 2: by three. Wilson stomps the right foot, catches the shotgun

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Speaker 2: for another Pittsburgh score. Bengals send three receivers out to

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Speaker 2: Joe catches the shotgun staff he's back to throw, gets

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Speaker 2: Great job by Burrow to throw the ball just as

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Speaker 2: Second in goal from the three yard line. Burrow in

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Speaker 2: a result of the players a touchdown. Russell Wilson takes

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Speaker 2: the snap, takes a knee, and the celebration begins for

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Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers. They've come into pay Court Stadium. They

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Speaker 2: have scored forty four points and for the fourth time

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Speaker 2: this year, let me repeat, the fourth time this year,

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Speaker 2: the Bengals have scored thirty three or more points and lost.

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Speaker 2: Here are the gory details. In September, it was a

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Speaker 2: thirty eight to thirty three loss to Washington. In October

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Speaker 2: forty one to thirty eight in overtime to Baltimore, in

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Speaker 2: November thirty five, thirty four at Baltimore, and today on

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Speaker 2: the first of December forty four thirty eight to Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: It's happened once a month and three times at home,

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Speaker 2: the Bengals scoring thirty three or more and not coming

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Speaker 2: away with a win. Joe Burrow threw for three hundred

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Speaker 2: was returned for a touchdown. Here are some of the

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Speaker 2: most interesting things Joe had to say after the game.

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Speaker 3: Try to get better. Whatever you put on tape is

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Speaker 3: is out there forever, whether it's effort or execution or

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Speaker 3: playmaking ability. You know, when gms and in scouts go

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Speaker 3: and look at the tape in the offseason, when they're

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Speaker 3: looking to go and get guys, they're not gonna care

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Speaker 3: what the score is. They're gonna care how hard you play.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna care how execute and how many plays you make.

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Speaker 3: And so for me, I'm just going to try keep

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Speaker 3: trying to be as consistent as I can and try

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Speaker 3: to put us in good spots playoffs. I mean, furthest

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Speaker 3: thing from my mind. You know, you never know what

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Speaker 3: can happen. So like I said, I'm just going to

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Speaker 3: keep putting one foot for the other, try to be

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Speaker 3: the best player that I can be for the rest

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Speaker 3: of this season, and weekend and week out, day in

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Speaker 3: and day out, trying to be the best that I

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Speaker 3: can be. This is a tough season, and you know,

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Speaker 3: the cornerstones of this organization are going to be remembered

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Speaker 3: by more than just this season, and we will be

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Speaker 3: remembered by how we handle this. And you know, it's

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Speaker 3: still an exciting opportunity to go out and play for

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Speaker 3: this city and for this team every week, weekend, and

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Speaker 3: week out. That's something that I don't take for granted,

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Speaker 3: especially with my injury history. You know, I've been on

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Speaker 3: love being out there for the guys, for the for

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Speaker 3: you know, I love playing.

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Speaker 2: Burrow leads the NFL with thirty touchdown passes. That's only

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Speaker 2: five away from his single season team record, and the

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Speaker 2: Bengals are averaging twenty seven point nine points a game,

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Speaker 2: that would be number two in team history, behind the

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Speaker 2: eighty eight Super Bowl team that averaged twenty eight a game. Furthermore,

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Speaker 2: the Bengals have had eight previous teams that averaged at

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Speaker 2: least twenty six points a game. Seven of the eight

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Speaker 2: one Division titles, three went to the Super Bowl, So

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Speaker 2: it's hard to pin much blame on the offense. I

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Speaker 2: talked to Ted Karras after the game. Ted, It's a

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Speaker 2: team game, I know, but it's got to be hard

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Speaker 2: to fathom that you guys have scored thirty three or

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Speaker 2: more four times and haven't been able to find a

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Speaker 2: way to get a win in those games.

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Speaker 4: You know, that's it is a team game, and you know,

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Speaker 4: I think our QB is playing really good ball, and

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of guys have been stepping up.

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Speaker 4: And you know, it really doesn't mean anything if you

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Speaker 4: don't get to win.

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Speaker 2: When you make a mistake, which is inevitable. It happens

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Speaker 2: to everybody in every game. But does it feel bigger

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Speaker 2: because of the way this season has gone.

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Speaker 4: I think that if you start to get exasperated you'll

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Speaker 4: tend to make more mistakes. So I think, you know,

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Speaker 4: from our unit perspective, I think we've done a good

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Speaker 4: to the next.

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Speaker 2: But you know, can't make too many Cam's picked six

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Speaker 2: gave you a seven nothing lead early in the game.

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Speaker 2: The defense hasn't had too many moments like that this year.

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Speaker 2: Did that give you a feeling early on that this

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Speaker 2: was going to be our day?

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Speaker 4: I always think it's going to be our day, and

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Speaker 4: you know, Cam made some unreal plays today. I think,

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Speaker 2: Do you have an explanation in your own mind for

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Speaker 1: It had?

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Speaker 4: I think the line of the there's a thin line,

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Speaker 2: Was there a turning point and your view today?

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Speaker 2: You've been around a while.

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Speaker 5: What do you do to hold a team together at

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Speaker 1: Right now?

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Speaker 4: Hey, show up ready to work. I think that you know,

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Speaker 6: And playing for pride is helper them playing for a

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Speaker 4: I approach every single game the same way. We're going

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Speaker 2: As a loss feel different when you score thirty eight

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I think just in the flow of

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Speaker 2: Know, a loss is a loss no matter how it.

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Speaker 4: Comes, so you know it's disappointing. Four to eight started December.

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Speaker 2: The forty four points allowed on Sunday were the most

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Speaker 1: PJ.

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Speaker 2: I know it's gotta be tough at this point. How

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Speaker 5: Came on fighting every day, come and work, put your

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Speaker 2: Things started well on defense today with the pick six,

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Speaker 5: Uh, Nickle and Diamond, we just gotta figure out way

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Speaker 5: just got out the field, get stops. That's all I

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Speaker 2: Is it difficult as a defensive player to see the

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Speaker 5: For sure, especially when you know what kind of guys

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Speaker 2: I see the look on your face when you sat

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Speaker 2: It seemed like you were really just trying to process

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Speaker 2: how could this season have spiraled the way that it has.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, man, it's the stuff, especially when you come to

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Speaker 2: Was there a point in this game where you really

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Speaker 2: felt that the momentum swum, whether it was a turnover,

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Speaker 5: Still had a chance with them, It made a one

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Speaker 5: Perhaps with them they did what they had to do,

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Speaker 5: But I never I never gave up. Never. I'm another

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Speaker 1: Know you're playing hurt. I think we all appreciate you

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Speaker 2: So the Bengals are four and eight. Their slim chance

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Speaker 6: Coach, I mean, what can you say. Offensively, put thirty

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Speaker 6: is one hell of a performance. But obviously when you

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Speaker 7: There's things everybody can do better to help us win

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Speaker 7: We're primetime next week, Monday Night Football. It's a tremendous

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Speaker 6: You mentioned that the Pittsburgh Steels defensive line, and Joe

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Speaker 7: I mean, they got two Hall of Famers over there,

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Speaker 7: I thought our guys made some great plays today to

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Speaker 6: You have aged six point six yards per play, a

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Speaker 6: That's a big factor in their in their success. But

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Speaker 7: Right, it's as simple as that. You know, you got

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Speaker 7: You know, a tremendous opportunity to go in primetime next

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Speaker 6: They only give up ninety yards a game rushing. Chase

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there's moments like that again that you're proud of

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Speaker 7: I think that was what first drive of the second half,

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Speaker 6: You start the game with a defensive score, you know that,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what we challenge our guys to do during

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Speaker 6: So what do you do. I mean, you had won

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Speaker 6: three in a row after the buye. You were in

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Speaker 6: position to get this one, but but come up a

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Speaker 6: little bit short. Obviously, what you did during the bye week,

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Speaker 6: guys responded to particularly offensively.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we we just gotta we got to pay close

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Speaker 7: attention to everything and make.

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Speaker 1: Sure we're we're.

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Speaker 7: Giving ourselves a chance here, you know, And I think

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Speaker 7: that's that's what we're got to look at right now.

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Speaker 7: When you're four and eight, you got to be realistic

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Speaker 7: with you know, there's got to be ways that we

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Speaker 7: can we can find as a coaching staff to close

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Speaker 7: these games out and keep getting our guys in the

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Speaker 7: best position possible and keep everyone believing, committing. And again

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Speaker 7: what I said of the team after locker room, we

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Speaker 7: have the right guys. We have the right guys that

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Speaker 7: are about the right things. And so that's what we're

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Speaker 7: gonna be sticking with and counting on as we get

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Speaker 7: down in the stretch here.

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Speaker 6: I appreciate you taking time with us as always. I know,

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Speaker 6: these uh, these games are tough. They rip your heart out,

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Speaker 6: There's no doubt. I mean, your team gives effort. It's

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Speaker 6: not like they're not they're not given effort out there.

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Speaker 6: It's just not making enough plays. I mean they're not

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Speaker 6: making you know, a big play, avoiding a big mistake.

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Speaker 6: I guess when you need.

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Speaker 7: To Yeah, I mean Pittsburgh's a big game for a team,

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Speaker 7: it's a big game for a city. We understand that,

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Speaker 7: we understand how how heavy dis weighs on us, and

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Speaker 7: so we got to find ways to win, you know,

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Speaker 7: to to win back the confidence of everybody. And I'm

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Speaker 7: very confident we got the guys to be able to

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Speaker 7: do that, and we got the opportunity this season to

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Speaker 7: do that, and that's what we'll continue to strive for.

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Speaker 2: Up next Monday Night Football at Dallas. The Cowboys are

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Speaker 2: five and seven with a two game winning streak, and

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Speaker 2: radio guys recap.

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Speaker 1: Lab.

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Speaker 2: Football is the ultimate team sport. But this is a year, unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: where one side of the Bengals is performing well and

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Speaker 2: the other side just isn't. It's been a rough year

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Speaker 2: for the defense, and this marks the fourth time the

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Speaker 2: Bengals have scored thirty three or more and lost. It's

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Speaker 2: hard to believe.

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Speaker 6: Is It's mind boggling? Really? I mean, it's the most

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Speaker 6: points scored by the Pittsburgh Steelers, the most points allowed

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Speaker 6: by the Pittsburgh Steelers. The Bengals have been in eight games,

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Speaker 6: they're one in seven in games decided by eight points

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Speaker 6: or less, one in seven. Steelers are six and three.

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Speaker 6: That's the difference in having a season where you're playoff

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Speaker 6: bound and one where you're sitting back and waiting to

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Speaker 6: be a spoiler for somebody that might be playoff bound.

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Speaker 6: How do you average six point six yards per play

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Speaker 6: and be worse by one point three yards than the

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Speaker 6: other team Pittsburgh everage seven to nine a play. That's

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Speaker 6: that's ludicrous. That's almost impossible to do five and twenty

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Speaker 6: yards on sixty six snaps. It's it really is amazing.

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Speaker 6: I mean, there are so many stats you can look

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Speaker 6: at in this football game and scratch your head and say,

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Speaker 6: you know, is it I was asking guys in the

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Speaker 6: locker room, is it mental? Is it physical? Is it

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Speaker 6: a combination? They just look at me like, you know,

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Speaker 6: I guess it's a combination. You know, we got to

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Speaker 6: look at the tape man.

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Speaker 1: It just.

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Speaker 6: Hot knife through butter. I mean, every time they got

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Speaker 6: the football, it was just a question of how long

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Speaker 6: it was going to take them to score. That's what

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Speaker 6: it seemed like. It seemed like it was inevitable, but

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Speaker 6: how long was it going to take them?

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Speaker 2: I think in some ways we're all looking for complicated

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Speaker 2: answers to simple questions, And to me, this game underscores

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Speaker 2: why the Steelers are on the verge of going back

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Speaker 2: to the playoffs and the Bengals are on the verge

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Speaker 2: of being eliminated. Pittsburgh has guys on defense that make

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Speaker 2: impact plays, even in a game where their defense surrendered

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Speaker 2: thirty one points plus the pick six. TJ. Watt makes

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Speaker 2: a play, Nick Herbig makes a play. Cameron Hayward gets

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Speaker 2: in the backfield and makes sacks. The Bengals did have

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Speaker 2: a pick six in this game, but they have not

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Speaker 2: consistently made those one or two defensive plays that swing games.

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Speaker 2: They don't have those guys on defense right now.

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Speaker 6: The Bengals have one guy in their defensive front that

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Speaker 6: people have to say, oh, Trey Hendrickson. Today, Pittsburgh had

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Speaker 6: three different guys in their defensive front make plays. Two

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Speaker 6: of them going to the Hall of Fame, T J.

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Speaker 6: Watt and Cam Hayward. They're going to the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 6: Cam Hayward has a sack. Cam Hayward has a deflection

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Speaker 6: that T. Higgins has to adjust to and and deflex

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Speaker 6: it again and it's picked off. Her Big has a

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Speaker 6: strip sack. You know, they just they three different guys

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Speaker 6: in their front. Three out of the four guys on

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Speaker 6: their front made game changing plays. The Bengals have one guy,

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Speaker 6: I mean a defensive touchdown for sure, Cam Taylor Bred

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Speaker 6: I think you might have gotten away with a little something.

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Speaker 6: They're knocking them to the ground. But bottom line is

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Speaker 6: wasn't called And off to the races they go, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I don't have enough playmakers in this league the way

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Speaker 6: offenses are have to have defensive playmakers to curb the

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Speaker 6: tide there a little bit. You know, it's if you don't,

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Speaker 6: it can be you know, an avalanche, wave after wave

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Speaker 6: after wave, and that's what happened to the Cincinnati Bengals today.

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Speaker 2: Defensively, if you go back to the Super Bowl season

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one, they had a handful of players

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Speaker 2: on defense that were among the best at their position

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Speaker 2: in the NFL that year. Trey Hendrickson, obviously, DJ Reider,

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Speaker 2: Shildebao Wouje played as well as any corner in the

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Speaker 2: league that year. Jesse Bates was up there among the safeties.

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Speaker 2: That's what they need to get back to being a

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl contending team. They need a handful, not eleven,

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Speaker 2: a handful of players on defense that are among the

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Speaker 2: better players at their position in the league. That's going

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Speaker 2: to be the challenge going forward, whether it's through free

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Speaker 2: agency or the draft. They need to get defensive players

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Speaker 2: that are among the best in their position in the league.

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Speaker 6: And that's what Pittsburgh has done. You know the Hall

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Speaker 6: of famers they have, They've retained them, they're paying them.

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Speaker 6: Cam Hayward and TJ. Watt. You know Herberd can play.

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Speaker 6: Heismith didn't even play today. He's another guy at the edge.

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Speaker 6: It can give you a headache. I mean, they're stacked

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Speaker 6: up front. That's a good place to be stacked. It

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Speaker 6: starts there and they can come after you with They

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Speaker 6: can substitute players I mean, they come after you with

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Speaker 6: so many people. You know, they got a competent players,

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Speaker 6: players at the linebacker position, and they've got you know,

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Speaker 6: Pro bowlers on the back end. If they don't have

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Speaker 6: six penalties in a game. I mean, Joey Porter Junior

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Speaker 6: was ridiculous today what he was trying to get away with.

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Speaker 6: And I thought that officiating crew was pretty liberal, and

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Speaker 6: I don't think they called everything they could have. And

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Speaker 6: even with that said, and he got flagged six times

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Speaker 6: or whatever it was for holding. But I'll tell you, boy,

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Speaker 6: they missed a big one under three minutes between two

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Speaker 6: and a half and three minutes to play in the

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Speaker 6: first half, neutraz on infraction and Kapa moves to make

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Speaker 6: sure that it stays that way, and they don't call it.

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Speaker 6: They call Kappa. I mean that was huge because you know,

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Speaker 6: they score a field goal off of that, the Bengals

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Speaker 6: are in a position if they get a first down

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Speaker 6: they may kick a field goal that that penalty ends

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Speaker 6: up being a potential six points win if the Bengals

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Speaker 6: could have scored, just like the block field goal by

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Speaker 6: OUTSI so, you know, both teams had a defensive touchdown

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Speaker 6: that neutralized you know, the the infraction that that you

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Speaker 6: have there with the non penalty call basically negates the

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Speaker 6: block field goal. I mean that was a field you know,

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Speaker 6: field goal for each team in that regard potentially, So

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Speaker 6: you know, then then it comes down to who's better

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Speaker 6: on a snap by snap basis at the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 6: The Bengals are going against a much better defensive football team,

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Speaker 6: but they played valiantly offensively. And Russell Wilson, I mean

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Speaker 6: he has a pick six to start the game off,

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Speaker 6: and then he throws up ridiculous numbers. I mean, he's

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Speaker 6: a good player, but twenty nine to thirty eight four

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Speaker 6: and fourteen yards three touchdowns in the interception almost matched him.

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Speaker 6: He goes twenty eight to thirty eight one completion less,

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Speaker 6: but you know, one hundred and five yards less because

605
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Speaker 6: the Bengals couldn't tackle, they couldn't cover. And Joe's you know,

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Speaker 6: finding holes and finding his throws off platform today were incredible, incredible.

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Speaker 6: One time he's on a forty five degree angle as

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Speaker 6: he's going to the ground and throws a strike. I

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Speaker 6: mean he played his ass off again as he normally does.

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Speaker 6: He has three touchdowns interception as well, I mean it

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Speaker 6: was basically a wash as such at the at the

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Speaker 6: quarterback position. It's just bottom line is one defense made

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Speaker 6: more plays than the other in Pittsburgh. They're star players,

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Speaker 6: they're better players, made plays that made a difference in

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Speaker 6: this football game that they were better defensively.

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Speaker 2: Talked to three offensive players after the game, t Higgins,

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Speaker 2: Jamar Chase and Ted Karris. We were both in on

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow's postgame news conference. I didn't hear a negative

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Speaker 2: word said about the defense, which is what I would expect.

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Speaker 1: This is a close team.

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Speaker 2: Uh, they don't throw each other under the bus, certainly

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Speaker 2: not publicly. But you've been in situations like this before.

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Speaker 2: What's it like, really in a locker room when one

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Speaker 2: side of the team is performing well and the other

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Speaker 2: side is really struggling.

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Speaker 6: Creates a tremendous amount of pressure and it's just one's

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Speaker 6: the top gonna blow off Because offensively, you're standing there

628
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Speaker 6: on the sideline looking at each other like, guys, we

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Speaker 6: got to score every damn possession. Forget three and out.

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Speaker 6: We can't punt the football. I mean, you know that's

631
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 6: went on today. Each punter just punt of the ball

632
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Speaker 6: one time It's like, you know, we we have to

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Speaker 6: do something every single possession. That that is a tremendous

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Speaker 6: amount of pressure on a on a week to week basis.

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Speaker 6: There's there's no question. That's why I thought, boy pick

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Speaker 6: six a defensive touchdown? Are you kidding me? I thought,

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Speaker 6: man off the off to the races potentially, But it

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00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 6: was it was such a track meet for Wilson and

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Speaker 6: the offensive football team. I mean, you know, Naji Harris

640
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Speaker 6: looked like Jim Brown.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 6: It was. It was incredible out there and initially were

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Speaker 6: referenced a bunch of times in the first half, little

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Speaker 6: checkdowns to Nasei, you know, out of the backfield. I mean,

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Speaker 6: you called, you were talking about it, Dan. I mean

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Speaker 6: in the first half, Naji Harris for the game ends

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Speaker 6: up with six catches hit him all in the first half,

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Speaker 6: six catches, fifty four yards. In those checkdowns, a little

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Speaker 6: three or four yard checks down, he picked up five

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Speaker 6: or six more. You know, he averaged nine yards per

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Speaker 6: per checkdown. Warren four for fifty five his would be

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Speaker 6: like three or four yards. He go for ten, you know,

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Speaker 6: yards after catch. It's unbelievable. They had twenty five and

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Speaker 6: twenty nine yard plays off of those checkdowns, so they're

655
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Speaker 6: normally catching it can't get him on the ground, you know.

656
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Speaker 6: It's like man, between those two guys, their two longest

657
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Speaker 6: catches of the game, it was over half a football field.

658
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Speaker 6: That that's the thing. I mean, the miss tackles, the

659
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Speaker 6: hidden yards there with miss tackles is crazy. I mean,

660
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Speaker 6: it's phenomenal. There's not a whole lot of hidden yards

661
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Speaker 6: going over on because neither team's putting the football, and

662
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Speaker 6: in today's rules and the kickoff, there's not really a

663
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Speaker 6: whole lot you can do from a hidden yard standpoint

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Speaker 6: there unless you bust you know, a kickoff return basically.

665
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Speaker 6: But I mean, I'm not sure what the uh the

666
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Speaker 6: average drive start number was, but it had to be

667
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Speaker 6: in from it was dead heat, dead heat. The Bengal

668
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Speaker 6: Pittsburgh has eleven possessions and the last one was you know,

669
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Speaker 6: basically end the game possession. They eleven possessions, they start

670
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Speaker 6: in the thirty their own thirty yard line, the Bengals

671
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Speaker 6: ten possessions starting their own thirty yard line, So it

672
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Speaker 6: was pretty even steven there because neither team punt of

673
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Speaker 6: the football, you know, I mean, turnovers kind of offset,

674
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Speaker 6: you know, the one for uh pick six for a touchdown,

675
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Speaker 6: it's huge, and then and then turnovers. The Bengals have

676
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Speaker 6: gave gave the Steelers, you know, a good field position,

677
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Speaker 6: but bottom line is on a on a snap by

678
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Speaker 6: snap basis, the Steelers played a more complete football game.

679
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Speaker 6: You know, if one phase is struggling a little bit,

680
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 6: the other phase picks it up. The defense is struggling

681
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Speaker 6: so badly though, I mean in the Bengals thirty eight

682
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Speaker 6: points can't pick them up. They did everything they could, really,

683
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Speaker 6: I mean, you know, and I know all the offensive

684
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Speaker 6: players and say, you know what, you know, we could

685
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Speaker 6: have done more. Yeah, could have done more. I guess

686
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 6: you know, theoretically you could have scored fifty. But this

687
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 6: is a good NFL defensive football team. I mean, thirty

688
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 6: eight points. In the yards you put up, your quarterback

689
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 6: throws for over three hundred, you end up with three

690
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 6: hundred and seventy five total net yards six point six

691
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 6: yards of play. That's gotta win you a ton of

692
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Speaker 6: football games. But it's not. It's not they're one in

693
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Speaker 6: seven and one score games or it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Last thing.

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow's birthday is December tenth. He'll be twenty eight

696
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 2: years old. This is his fifth NFL season. He signed

697
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Speaker 2: through twenty twenty nine. He's not going away anytime soon.

698
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Speaker 2: But it really hurts to have Joe Burrow stay healthy,

699
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: put up great numbers and be four games under five hundred.

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Speaker 6: It is, it's crazy. And you look at it today,

701
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 6: you know, the numbers Joe's putting up and the numbers

702
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 6: that Jamar's putting up on the season are, you know,

703
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 6: astronomically ridiculous. And he had a solid football game today.

704
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 6: Six catches for eighty six yards, another touchdown. He had

705
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Speaker 6: a forty nine yard reception. T Higgins supported that five

706
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Speaker 6: catches for sixty nine yards. Eleven catches for one hundred

707
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Speaker 6: and fifty five yards between the two of them, and

708
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Speaker 6: two touchdowns. You know, and get sick. He sees the

709
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Speaker 6: middle of the field's open some with what they're doing

710
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Speaker 6: on the perimeter with those two wideouts, and he supports

711
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Speaker 6: it with five for fifty three. I mean, to waste

712
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Speaker 6: the season that Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase having is

713
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Speaker 6: almost football crime. It's it's almost criminal, it really is.

714
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Speaker 6: I mean. And then Chase Brown, he's another one, you know,

715
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Speaker 6: when you're spreading the field and attack on the field

716
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Speaker 6: like Joe Burrows with his passing weapons. I mean thirteen

717
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 6: rushes seventy yards five point eight. That forty yard are

718
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 6: obviously was massive. You know, the other twelve rushes only

719
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Speaker 6: went for thirty but I think he had another one

720
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Speaker 6: for double digit rushes like fourteen yards or something. So

721
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Speaker 6: I mean two carries you had fifty four yards, so

722
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Speaker 6: it evaporated quickly. But he is a guy that can

723
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Speaker 6: hurt people in the middle of the football field when

724
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Speaker 6: you spread them out offensive with the weapons they have,

725
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Speaker 6: particularly defenses that are lesser caliber than the Pittsburgh Steelers

726
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 6: down the road.

727
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Speaker 2: So it's off to Dallas next week for Monday Night football.

728
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Speaker 2: There's going to be an alternate telecast of that game,

729
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Speaker 2: a Simpsons themed telecast. I will wrap this up by

730
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Speaker 2: quoting Bart Simpson. Here's what Bart would have said after

731
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Speaker 2: the game today. I karumba. That's about all that can

732
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Speaker 2: be said.

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Speaker 6: I corumba. And you know what, lou An Rumo may

734
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Speaker 6: try to recruit some of those Simpsons to maybe go

735
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Speaker 6: out and line up against the Dallas Cowboys. I mean,

736
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Speaker 6: I'll tell you, man, defense has to show up and

737
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 6: it's going to happen quickly. Offensively, I don't think you

738
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Speaker 6: can ask for much more. But defensively, oh yeah, you

739
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 6: can ask for more.

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Speaker 1: That puts a rap on the Steelers game.

741
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Speaker 2: Now it's time for this week's Fun Fact segment, introducing

742
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Speaker 2: you this week to a member of the Bengals scouting staff.

743
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Speaker 2: Time for some fun facts with Bengals scouting director Mike Potts.

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00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: You are from Middletown, but not Middletown, Ohio. Middletown, Delaware,

745
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 2: which is basically in the middle of Baltimore and Philadelphia.

746
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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's why it has the name,

747
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 2: but describe Middletown, Delaware and what you liked about growing

748
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Speaker 2: up there.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Middletown was a great place to grow up. High

750
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Speaker 8: school football is very important. There's not a whole lot

751
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 8: going on there. It was kind of an old farm

752
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 8: town probably when I first moved there, when I was

753
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Speaker 8: in second grade. You know, it's it's actually blown up

754
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Speaker 8: a lot now with with restaurants and businesses popping up

755
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Speaker 8: every time that I'm that I'm back there. But it

756
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 8: was a great place to grow up, pretty pretty low

757
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Speaker 8: key upbringing. I just remember playing every sport imaginable. They're

758
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Speaker 8: growing up and you know, have have friends that will

759
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Speaker 8: that will last a lifetime and uh, you know, just

760
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 8: nothing but positive of memories of growing up there, and it's,

761
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Speaker 8: you know, a great place to raise a family.

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Speaker 2: Do you find that people in this part of the

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Speaker 2: country or other parts of the country have no idea

764
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Speaker 2: where Delaware is?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's it's not the not the easiest place for

766
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Speaker 8: people to pick out on a map, but there's there's

767
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Speaker 8: a lot of positives about it as well.

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Speaker 2: We're visiting the Bengal scouting director Mike Potts. You were

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Speaker 2: a quarterback. You played college football at William and Mary,

770
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Speaker 2: which is in Williamsburg, Virginia. How did you wind up there?

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Speaker 8: Had a pretty good high school career playing quarterback, you know,

772
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Speaker 8: had a handful of offers. No, no real you know,

773
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Speaker 8: big time, big time type of offers. The Ohio State,

774
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 8: Florida State, Florida's of the of the world weren't knocking

775
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Speaker 8: down my door in Middletown, Delaware. So just kind of

776
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 8: went through all of the offers that I had and

777
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Speaker 8: all the teams that were recruiting me, and I just

778
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Speaker 8: kind of thought that was the best fit for me.

779
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 8: Phenomenal academic school and the ability to get a degree

780
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 8: from there was a huge thing, you know, just in

781
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Speaker 8: terms of setting myself up for life after football. I

782
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 8: obviously thought I was going to have a long, fifteen

783
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Speaker 8: twenty year career playing in the NFL. I did get

784
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Speaker 8: a chance to get into the league a little bit

785
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 8: for a cup of coffee, but you know, it didn't

786
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 8: work out that way. But I'm glad to get that degree.

787
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Speaker 8: And you know, also football wise, it was a great

788
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 8: fit for me. I liked the offense and a lot

789
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 8: of things they were doing there, so ended up to

790
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 8: be a great decision.

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Speaker 2: As you noted, you went to an NFL training camp

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Speaker 2: with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Ben Roethlisberger was the quarterback at

793
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Speaker 2: the time. He was beginning his fifth NFL season. Describe

794
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 2: your experience in Mike Tomlins training camp.

795
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Speaker 8: Oh, it was awesome. Like I said about how much

796
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Speaker 8: football I learned in college, you know, you you maximize

797
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Speaker 8: as that or multiply that, you know, times one hundred

798
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Speaker 8: at that level. Kenny Anderson actually was my quarterback coach.

799
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Speaker 8: Bruce Arians was the offensive coordinator. They actually ended up

800
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Speaker 8: winning the Super Bowl that year. After the year that

801
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 8: I was in training camp with them in two thousand

802
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Speaker 8: and eight, So just to get a chance to go

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Speaker 8: against some of those big time guys. I'm running the

804
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 8: scout team offense a lot and go against that great defense.

805
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Speaker 8: Learning under guys like Mike Tomlin, you know x's and

806
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 8: o's wise, but also life skills wise, leadership, and just

807
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 8: being around that program, and you know, the way things

808
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 8: were done are things that I'll take with me the

809
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Speaker 8: rest of my life.

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Speaker 2: We're visiting with Mike Potts. You did play professional football

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Speaker 2: for several years in the Arena League. Were you playing

812
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 2: for the love of the game or were you hoping

813
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: to be the next Kurt Warner and parlay that into

814
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Speaker 2: another NFL opportunity A.

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Speaker 8: Little bit of both for sure.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 8: I got a chance to play a little bit in

818
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Speaker 8: the preseason there with the Steelers and then got released

819
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Speaker 8: there at the end of camp, had a chance to

820
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Speaker 8: work out for a couple of teams, and it was

821
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Speaker 8: a bad time to come out of college. They had

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Speaker 8: just getting gotten rid of the NFL Europe the year

823
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Speaker 8: before that, and then the year that I came out,

824
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 8: they the Arena Football League as we formerly knew it

825
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 8: actually folded that year, so there was limited options. It

826
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 8: was Arena two where I first got my shot there

827
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Speaker 8: in the Arena League to play, because there was no

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Speaker 8: other options at the time other than I believe the

829
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 8: Canadian Football League was playing. So yeah, I absolutely love football,

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Speaker 8: you know, that's something that I wanted to keep playing

831
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Speaker 8: as long as I possibly could. And you always have

832
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 8: those hopes and dreams of getting back into the NFL

833
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 8: at some point as a player. But you know, I

834
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Speaker 8: always thought I would be that guy that we played

835
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Speaker 8: until I'm forty years old and try to, you know,

836
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Speaker 8: take every every possible chance that I could get to play,

837
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Speaker 8: just because I love playing the game. But when opportunities

838
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 8: came up to get into scouting and when I broke

839
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Speaker 8: in broke in with the Atlanta Falcons, it was kind

840
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 8: of an opportunity that I didn't know if that would

841
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 8: come up again, so I didn't think I could I

842
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 8: could turn that down or that would be the smartest

843
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 8: thing to do to continue playing in the Arena League

844
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Speaker 8: at that point.

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Speaker 2: What was the pay like in Arena League two.

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Speaker 8: Oh, it was not a lot of money. I believe

847
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 8: if the pay scale changed a few times over my

848
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 8: handful of years playing. But I believe they paid you

849
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Speaker 8: something like two hundred dollars a game, and then you

850
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 8: got a fifty dollars bonus if you won the game

851
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 8: that week. So yeah, it wasn't wasn't a lot of money.

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00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 8: You're definitely playing for the love of the game. They

853
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 8: would set you up with housing and meals and you know,

854
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 8: a gym membership to work out, and you know a

855
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 8: lot of good memories from that as well. But you're

856
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 8: definitely not doing it for the to make a living

857
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 8: or make a ton of money off of it.

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Speaker 2: How'd you get that first scouting opportunity with the Falcons?

859
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 8: And Uncle la Mine Tim Stack It was an executive

860
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 8: in the Atlanta area and knew some people with the

861
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 8: Atlanta Falcons. Like I said, I still wanted to play

862
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Speaker 8: as long as I could. He ended up getting my

863
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 8: name cross to Rich McKay Thomas de Mitrof, who was

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Speaker 8: the GM at the time there in Atlanta, and and

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Speaker 8: you know, I ended up just getting a call from

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Speaker 8: Thomas one day out of the blue, and you know,

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Speaker 8: told me that they had an unpaid internship available. They're

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Speaker 8: also coming out out of the lockout. I believe that

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Speaker 8: was twenty eleven was the year, so they're coming out

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Speaker 8: of the lockout. There's a lot of uncertainty at the time.

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Speaker 8: But he told me they had an unpaid internship for

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Speaker 8: training camp, and like I said, you kind of weigh

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Speaker 8: the positives and negatives of taking that opportunity or continuing

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Speaker 8: to play football. And obviously I took that opportunity. Ended

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Speaker 8: up being like a month long interview, so to speak,

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Speaker 8: there in Atlanta, and I was fortunate enough that they

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Speaker 8: decided to keep me on for the rest of that year,

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Speaker 8: and then you know, I just kind of built my

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Speaker 8: career from there.

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Speaker 2: How do you learn how to scout? It's tough.

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Speaker 8: There's a lot of a lot of good mentors that

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Speaker 8: I've had along the line. You think, as a player,

883
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 8: you think you know probably way more than you really

884
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 8: do coming into it, but a lot of you know, older,

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Speaker 8: more experienced scouts and executives general managers that I worked

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Speaker 8: with along the line, and also just learning from your

887
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 8: own mistakes and your own experiences, and you just watch

888
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Speaker 8: a ton of tape and take the advice and have

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Speaker 8: be a good listener, be very open minded to critiques

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Speaker 8: and ideas that different people are willing to give you

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Speaker 8: in terms of feedback, and you just kind of develop

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Speaker 8: your own style from there.

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Speaker 2: We're visiting with Mike Potts. In twenty twenty, the Bengals

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Speaker 2: had the number one overall pick in the draft and

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Speaker 2: obviously selected Joe Burrow. Did you have an Aha moment

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Speaker 2: in the scouting process where you said that's the guy.

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Speaker 8: I think it built up over time. You know, things

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Speaker 8: weren't going great for us on the field that year.

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Speaker 8: You know, there was there was a chance that we

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Speaker 8: knew we would have a top five, top ten type

901
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Speaker 8: of pick, you know, probably about midway through the season.

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Speaker 8: But I saw a number of Joe's games that year live.

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Speaker 8: I do remember, if you boiled it down to one moment,

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Speaker 8: I do remember being at that LSU Alabama game that year,

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Speaker 8: and he had a phenomenal game. It was an awesome

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Speaker 8: game to be at. And I remember seeing that live

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Speaker 8: and then driving back to the airport after scouting that game,

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Speaker 8: and that was probably if you could boil it down

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Speaker 8: to one moment, that was probably where I was like, hey,

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Speaker 8: you know, if we're picking up hie and we have

911
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Speaker 8: a chance to get this guy, he'd probably be a

912
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 8: really hard guy.

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Speaker 6: To pass on.

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Speaker 2: All Right, a few wild card topics now for Bengal

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Speaker 2: scouting director Mike Potts. Who is your all time favorite

916
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Speaker 2: athlete in any sport and why?

917
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Speaker 8: That's a good question. The first guy that comes to

918
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Speaker 8: mind is actually Shack Shaquille O'Neill, and the reason is

919
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Speaker 8: probably I want to say his rookie year was like

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Speaker 8: the ninety two to ninety three season, which I was

921
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Speaker 8: born in eighty five, so you know, I'm seven eight

922
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Speaker 8: years old at the time, so that's when I'm really

923
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Speaker 8: getting huge into sports at that age, and you know,

924
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Speaker 8: just his huge, huge presence, big personality, dominant game on

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Speaker 8: the hardwood. And then I also found out he had

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Speaker 8: the same birthday as me, so that that kind of

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Speaker 8: sealed it from there, So he was kind of kind

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Speaker 8: of growing up. That was for whatever reason that that

929
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Speaker 8: was the first big athlete that I kind of took

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Speaker 8: a liking to.

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Speaker 2: If not football, what do you think you would have done.

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Speaker 8: Man, That's that's a hard question. I would have had

933
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Speaker 8: to do something with sports. Football was always my number

934
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Speaker 8: one love. I got my degree from William and Mary

935
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Speaker 8: in kinesiology, which is a lot of sciences, the study

936
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Speaker 8: of human movement, you know, biomechanics, physiology, anatomy, things like that.

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Speaker 8: So maybe I would have tried to do something in

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Speaker 8: that realm. But like like I said, I was going

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Speaker 8: to try to exhaust every possible angle with football, whether

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Speaker 8: it was scouting, coaching, or obviously my plan A was

941
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Speaker 8: to play as long as I possibly could, but you know,

942
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Speaker 8: the opportunity in scouting came up, and I'm very fortunate

943
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Speaker 8: that it did.

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Speaker 2: Final question, and this one's kind of deep. If you

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Speaker 2: could meet anybody in history, living or deceased, who would

946
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Speaker 2: that person be.

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Speaker 8: That's another great question. My mom's father passed away when

948
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Speaker 8: she was really young, I think seven months old, so

949
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Speaker 8: that would have been awesome just to get to meet him.

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Speaker 8: You know, I've been told by my grandmother and a

951
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Speaker 8: lot of people that I reminded them of him and

952
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Speaker 8: looked like him, and a lot of things like that,

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Speaker 8: So it would have been great to just you know,

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Speaker 8: have a moment with him, have a conversation, be able

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Speaker 8: to be around him and meet him, and just learn

956
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Speaker 8: about more about my family and their history and everything

957
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Speaker 8: like that. So that would definitely be the answer to

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Speaker 8: that question that comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: Mike. Thanks so much for your time.

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Speaker 2: Best of luck the rest of the year.

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Speaker 8: Thank you, Dan, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dan Horde.

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