1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Monday edition. Clay and Buck kicks off 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: right now. Everybody, thank you for being here with us. 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: We missed you over the weekend. We trust you are 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: ready for action today. Relaxed after a couple of days 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: away from the show. We've got a lot to discuss 7 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: with all of you. Bud Light continues to tank, and 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: we keep saying, I mean, they just really need to 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: apologize and spend some money on conservative shows and maybe 10 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: things will turn around for them. But they won't do it. 11 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: We'll get into a little bit more of that. 12 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 2: You have. 13 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: The New York City mayor is calling for migrants to 14 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: be sent to every US city across the country. This 15 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: is always fascinating Democrats say migrants are and where they 16 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: say migrants. Just to be very clear, they're not talking 17 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: about immigrants who come here legally. Illegal aliens was the 18 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: term we were all using until about five minutes ago. 19 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: Illegal aliens build this country, make us all richer, and 20 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: make everything better. But somehow they're a huge financial drain 21 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: on New York City such that New York City needs 22 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: to send them to other places because they can't afford them. 23 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: That's an interesting situation, isn't it? Also Eric Adams, as 24 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: you notice, I've got a lot of New York on 25 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: my mind these days. Eric Adams has a new planet 26 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: combat retail theft, which is a massive, massive, millions and 27 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: millions of dollars problem in New York City. An update 28 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: on the Epstein Jeffrey Epstein situation involving Bill Gates in 29 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal that I thought was interesting. I 30 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: want to talk to you. We haven't spoken much, Clay, 31 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: and I haven't talked to you a lot about Epstein's 32 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: case and how there is still a lot that is 33 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: unresolved there. There's a lot that we are told to 34 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: accept that many of us say that is unacceptable, meaning 35 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: we don't have proper answers, we don't have what we need. 36 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: So we'll get into that. A shooting in Memphis, Tennessee 37 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: that had a lot of people particularly fired up over 38 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: the weekend because the homeowner, defending himself, his home, and 39 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: his family from incoming fire, was arrested at his facing 40 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: charges from the Soros back DA in Memphis, Tennessee. So 41 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: returning fire now can get you locked up. We'll explain 42 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: that one later on. Oh, one more thing the NAACP 43 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: is telling is telling people don't go to Florida. They're saying, 44 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: don't go to Florida, the state where the biggest problem. 45 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: Here you go, if you travel to Florida, be where 46 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: your life is not valuable. Play that audio for you later. 47 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: But the state where the biggest problem is no one 48 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: is able to afford houses in the biggest cities because 49 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: of supply and demand, because everyone is moving to Florida. 50 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: They're saying, no, don't go, your life is not valued. 51 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: But let's start with this. Clay always like to focus 52 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: in on politics. The primary feels like the primary is 53 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: underway now, you know, it feels like we're really starting 54 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: to enter that phase where this is going to be 55 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: a dominant theme, a dominant situation day to day in 56 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: American politics. Tim Scott, the Senator, a senator from South Carolina, 57 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: just formally announced he is in this fight. Here is 58 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 1: just from a few moments ago, the Senator from South Carolina. 59 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: Play it. 60 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 3: They're replacing education within doctrination. They spent COVID locking kids 61 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 3: out of the classroom. And in Biden's America, crime is 62 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 3: on the rise and law enforcement is in retreat. The 63 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 3: far left is Indian cash bails. They're demonizing, demoralizing, and 64 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 3: defunding the police. Joe Biden and the radical left are 65 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 3: attacking every single rung of the ladder that helped me climb. 66 00:03:55,720 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 3: And that's why I'm announcing today that I'm running part 67 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 3: president off of the United States America. 68 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: A fiery announcement. Sorry I stepped on it for a 69 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: second there. Tell me, Clay, what is your first reaction 70 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: to I mean, my sense is Senator Scott is very 71 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: widely liked in GOP circles. Everyone is like, I like 72 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: Senator Scott. He's a good man. What does it mean 73 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: for the political race? So I love the way he 74 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: announced there. 75 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 4: It's like he was a macho man Randy Savage or 76 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 4: hold Cogan, like ripping off his shirt to reveal a 77 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 4: US flag underneath or something. Tim Scott, we've had him 78 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 4: on the show a lot. I'm sure we'll have him 79 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 4: on at some point this week enters into a race 80 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 4: that I think it's fair to say buck right now, 81 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 4: there are about five people that most people would recognize 82 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 4: as running for the rate. There's a lot of people 83 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 4: who have entered right but I would say, obviously, Lee Trump, 84 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 4: we expect the Santis. 85 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: The reports were He's going to enter. 86 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 4: This week as well, Nicki Haley, Tim Scott, and then 87 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 4: maybe Vivik Ramaswami is in that five. We'll see whether 88 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 4: Mike Pence is going to enter. There's been a lot 89 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 4: of talk that suddenly Chris Christy's going to enter. I 90 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 4: am curious most with Tim Scott entering whether he's really 91 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 4: running for president or is he running for vice president, 92 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 4: because if he were running for president, then he would 93 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 4: immediately attack Donald Trump, who is the leader. And I 94 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 4: would say what everybody needs to pay attention to so 95 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 4: far that characterizes this race, Buck, is almost everybody has 96 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 4: gone after Ron DeSantis, the guy who's presumed to be 97 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 4: in second place and isn't even officially in this race, 98 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 4: as opposed to going after Trump. And the reason why 99 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 4: I would point this out is what was the number 100 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 4: one story of twenty sixteen, Buck, When you go look 101 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 4: back at the Republican primary nineteen eighteen, whatever it was, 102 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 4: nineteen people enter and everybody thinks Trump's gonna fade. I 103 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 4: just need to get it down to me versus Trump, 104 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 4: and then what happened? They got it down to me 105 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 4: versus Trump, and instead of Trump falling back and the 106 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 4: counter puncher being the nominee, Trump just surged even more 107 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 4: into a more prominent spot. And the reason I bring 108 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 4: this up is, so long as everybody is attacking DeSantis 109 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 4: as opposed to Trump, what it means to me, Buck 110 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 4: is everybody's actually angling to try to be vice president, 111 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,119 Speaker 4: or they're angling to be in the Trump administration more 112 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 4: than they want to be president. Now, Tim Scott has 113 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 4: a compelling story. I agree with much of what he says. 114 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 4: He is really selling the idea of the Barack Obama 115 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 4: sund sold in two thousand and eight, which is America 116 00:06:55,640 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 4: is a redemptive, incredibly successful country where any kid that's 117 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 4: born today can grow up to be president of the 118 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 4: United States. And that is to me what Tim Scott's 119 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 4: ultimate message is, whether you get into the nitty gritty 120 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 4: of his politics, his message is America is an exceptional place, 121 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 4: the greatest, freest country in the history of the world. 122 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 4: And my life story is evidence of the American dream 123 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 4: and what is possible here. And so I think that's 124 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 4: very compelling. The question I have, and I'm curious what 125 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 4: you would say to this, is is he actually running 126 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 4: for president or is he running for vice president? 127 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: I think he's running for vice president. Yeah, And I 128 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: don't mean that in any to be dismissive or disrespectful 129 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: of the idea that we don't know because we don't, Okay, 130 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: no one really knows where this prime area is going 131 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: to go and if but running for vice president for 132 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: someone like Tim Scott makes a lot of if you're 133 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: a strategist for him, makes a lot of sense, right, 134 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: especially if it's for Trump, because you know you're on 135 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: the launch pad. My friend, you're your four years. If 136 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: Trump wins, you got four And but it's not even 137 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: four years. Within two years of Trump's second term, tim 138 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: Scott would be gearing up for his own presidential run. 139 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: So it's a very different vice presidential slot now with 140 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: a term limited second term president, then it would have 141 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: been if you're running, you know, if you're running to 142 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: be someone's VP for possibly eight years, like Joe Biden 143 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: was for Barack Obama, that's a long time now. I 144 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: know Biden ended up coming back and winning the presidency, 145 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: but there was a once in a century pandemic and 146 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: some crazy things happened. So the Tim Scott running for VP. 147 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: To me, makes uh that that's the long term play 148 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense that the places where I 149 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,599 Speaker 1: think he could be a little bit vulnerable in the 150 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: primary to the degree that I'm not sure. He's again 151 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: very a very likable guy who has loves America, you know, 152 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: tells us a story of America as a great place. 153 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: That so you're gonna have so much connection with him 154 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: from even voters in the primary DeSantis voters in the 155 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: primary Desantas hasn't announced yet, but we're days away probably 156 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: and others. The only place though, if you're going to 157 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: see him, I think get some my understand I should 158 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: check on the immigration thing. I think he's not great 159 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: on immigration from a very conservative or right of center 160 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: point of view, my point of view. And also on 161 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: the criminal justice reform issue. If you remember, after George Floyd, 162 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: he was we need to talk about police reform, and 163 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: I was shouting in June and twenty twenty about this 164 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: isn't about police reform. There are people rioting in the streets. 165 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: They don't care about police reform. This is something else, 166 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: This is ominous, this is wrong. So he was on 167 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: the wrong side of that issue in the beginning. Now 168 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: did he get better? Sure, that's a place where I 169 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: could see him getting some criticism. If anyone out there, 170 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: and I really mean this, we've got a lot of 171 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: South Carolinians who it's fun to say Carolinian, a lot 172 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: of South Carolinians who listened to the show. If you 173 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: think Tim Scott could go the disc stance, or if 174 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: you just want to want to weigh in, maybe you 175 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 1: don't think Tim Scott should be running at all, Maybe you're 176 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: not a eage fan eight under two A two two 177 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: eight A two Clay. We've got that. But we've also 178 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: got in addition to the Tim Scott announcement, we have 179 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: a likely Ron DeSantis announcement coming later this week. And 180 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: can I just throw this into the mix. I want 181 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: ever to listen very closely. This was over the weekend. 182 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: So when Ron is talking to Governor Florida talking about COVID, 183 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: what he says about say the vaccines and warp speed 184 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 1: and the language he uses play clip one. 185 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 5: The way they weaponized these COVID vacsas was a massive 186 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 5: incursion into our freedoms. They wanted to deny people the 187 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 5: right to put food on their table if they didn't 188 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,719 Speaker 5: bend the knee and get a COVID shot that they 189 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 5: may not have wanted and that many of them did 190 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 5: not need. We can never allow warp speed to trump 191 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 5: informed consent in this country ever. 192 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: Again that line, Clay, we can never allow warp speed 193 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 1: to trump informed consent. We all understand what he's doing here. 194 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: He's calling out warp speed because this is one This 195 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: is I can't think of a place where the Trump 196 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: base is more uncertain of Trump honestly on policy than 197 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: on his I still think warp speed was amazing and 198 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: saved you know, one hundred million lives line, and I 199 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: think Ron's going after it here early. 200 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's where Trump is caught between the reality of 201 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 4: the results of the COVID shot. It's basically worthless, let's 202 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 4: be honest, by and large in terms of anything, it 203 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 4: is truly worth his clay, because they're throwing it out 204 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 4: now all over the world basically, and every school and 205 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 4: university that made such a big deal about the fact 206 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 4: that kids had to get the shot and then also 207 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 4: be boosted, they're quietly removing the COVID shot from their 208 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 4: list of vaccine requirements. And for anybody out there who 209 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 4: remembers going into college and the shots requirement. You have 210 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 4: to have the vaccine immunology as a part of being admitted. 211 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 4: You probably remember having to submit something there. To my knowledge, 212 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 4: they've never pulled a shot off of that list in 213 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 4: most of our lives. So the fact that they're just 214 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 4: suddenly now quietly, all of these schools which were so 215 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 4: draconian about getting the shot, they're suddenly pulling it back. 216 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 4: Let you know what's going on. I think it's an 217 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 4: area or remember, strategically, Desantus is attacking Trump from the right. 218 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 4: Nobody's ever really gone after Trump because Trump has typically 219 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 4: had a lot of support on the right side of 220 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 4: the political equation, at least in the last six years 221 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 4: or so. And I think the single most vulnerable part 222 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 4: of Trump's twenty twenty four candidacy is potentially his argument 223 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 4: that the COVID shot was a success. Now that actually 224 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 4: might play well in a general election, though buck ironically 225 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,719 Speaker 4: for Trump, because there are a lot of middle of 226 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 4: the road voters who want to believe that they didn't 227 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 4: get completely snookered, that that COVID shot really was a success. 228 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 4: And so this is one of those angles where look, 229 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 4: DeSantis is more right wing on abortion than Trump is. 230 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 4: Trump in some ways is almost running a general election 231 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 4: campaign in the Republican primary. I think that's interesting. Let's 232 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 4: also talk a little bit more about Tim Scott. 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I was telling you, I've got a question. 257 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 4: I don't know if Tim Scott is the answer or not. 258 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 4: I'm curious if you even buy into the thesis idea 259 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 4: here I believe, and this is what a lot of 260 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 4: my book is about that's coming out in August. Identity 261 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 4: politics is the single greatest threat to America today. 262 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: That is the idea. 263 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 4: And this is I understand a lot of you have 264 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 4: a lot of ideas about different threats. But to me, 265 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 4: the idea that you should be defined in some way 266 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 4: by your race, by your gender, by your sexuality, by 267 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 4: things that by and large, in my opinion, you don't 268 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 4: choose right is and that that defines you in some 269 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 4: way is the antithesis of what a robust republic, what 270 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 4: a robust country needs to look like, because we can 271 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 4: agree or disagree on issues, But when you begin your 272 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 4: argument with as a black gay woman, I believe why 273 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 4: should I care about the black, the gay or the woman. 274 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 4: And by the way, you shouldn't care about my opinion 275 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 4: because I'm a straight white guy. You care about my 276 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 4: opinion because it's a good opinion or a bad opinion 277 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 4: based on the facts and the evidence that. 278 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: I'm marshal to argue. 279 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 4: So my point on Tim Scott buck is, does Tim 280 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 4: Scott if he were. 281 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: To rise to a level of success, does he. 282 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 4: Blow up identity politics or does he further identity politics? 283 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 4: Because then you're playing, in some way the left's game 284 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 4: based on his success. Right, does that make any sense? 285 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 5: Like? 286 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: So, I think the really tough, tough debate the reality 287 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: of Republican politics for let's say the last twenty years, 288 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: is you are fighting over whether you're going to get 289 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: seven percent or nine percent of the black vote in 290 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: this country. You're never going to break through Beyoncey getting 291 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: ten to eleven twelve percent. I mean that would be 292 00:16:54,760 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: absolutely overperforming based on historical numbers. And what you also 293 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: see is that take this as an example, how did 294 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: I remember you and I talked about this, how did 295 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: the black vote break down in Georgia when herschel Walker 296 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: was going up against Warnock. Warnock, you got summed, Yeah, oh, overwhelmingly, 297 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: got absolutely crushed. There was I'm sorry Walker cut smoke, 298 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: absolutely crushed, and the black vote was essentially what it 299 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: had been in previous elections. So Black Republicans do not 300 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: get the you know, they don't get additional votes because 301 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: of identity politics. The question about whether it will, I 302 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 1: think it effectively leaves it unchanged because the left's argument is, 303 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: as we know from what they said about Larry Elder 304 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: in California, if you aren't if you are black and 305 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: you are not in line with the Democrat left, the 306 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: remember what Joe Biden said. Can we get that audio 307 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: from the breakfast club what the president said? Remember this, Yeah, 308 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: if you don't vote for me, you ain't black. That's 309 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: what Joe Biden set everybody. 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So 330 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: we're talking about the entry entrance into the primary campaign 331 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: here for Tim Scott, and we're also talking about the 332 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: imminent possibility of the well I think inevitability of DeSantis 333 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: entering as well. Some of you have called in about 334 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: Senator Scott Well, we'll take those calls at the back 335 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: part back half of this hour, So stay with us 336 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: if you can be patient. We want to hear from 337 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: you South Carolinians who have views on this one and 338 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: shed Look, people generally follow their own senator more closely 339 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 1: than other people do across the country, especially if he's 340 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: been in your state a long time and somebody who's 341 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 1: who's known in state better than than outside the state. 342 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: So we always like to leverage that institutional knowledge, if 343 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: you will, or that historical knowledge of these different candidates 344 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: from places all across the country when you have been 345 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: living in that state a long time. All right, First off, 346 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: we talked about this audio and it's so Clay and 347 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: I are discussing this would Tim Scott if he were 348 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: now I've just need clarity on this one. We didn't 349 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 1: talk about this, but I'm saying, do you think that 350 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: he I am highly confident that Tim Scott as a 351 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: vice president does not change noticeably in any way that 352 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: affects the twenty twenty four election the black vote in 353 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: this country, just based on what's happened in previous elections. 354 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: Are you talking about him as a VP changing where 355 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,719 Speaker 1: the votes might be or as the nominee? The nominee 356 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: I could see you know, obviously the nominee is a 357 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: different situation. Yeah. 358 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 4: So this is to me again utterly fascinating. And my 359 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 4: goal is to destroy identity politics. Right, So I spend 360 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 4: lots of time, which embarrassingly, in my free time if 361 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 4: I'm sitting watching a Little League game and you know 362 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 4: you're just sitting there watching, like in your head just 363 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 4: kind of running. I spent a lot of time thinking 364 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 4: about how do we blow up identity politics because I 365 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,959 Speaker 4: think it's the most toxic aspect. I think it's directly 366 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 4: connected to cancel culture. I think it's the most toxic 367 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 4: thing that exists in American body politic today. And so 368 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 4: you mentioned Herschel and Warnock, and I campaigned as hard 369 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 4: as I could for Herschel because I thought Republicans taking 370 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 4: back the Senate was important. I thought Herschel fighting back 371 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 4: and winning Georgia in that way after losing two Senate 372 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 4: seats would be a big deal. What the data reflected 373 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 4: on black voters in Georgia was actually somewhat interesting. Herschel 374 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 4: didn't lose because of black voters. Actually, the turnout for 375 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 4: black voters was lower in Georgia than anyone anticipated. In fact, 376 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 4: the Warnock. People thought that they were in trouble there, 377 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 4: so black voters, a lot of them stayed home. In Georgia, 378 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 4: Herschel lost because of suburban white voters. College educated women 379 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 4: in particular overwhelmingly supported Warnock, even split their tickets, voted 380 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 4: for Brian Kemp, who won by almost eight points over 381 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 4: Stacy Abrams, and voted four Warnock. So my thought is 382 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 4: as VP, I agree with you. I'm going to keep 383 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 4: beating this drum. The VP has to be for the Republicans, 384 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 4: in my opinion, someone who can deliver a state. That's 385 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 4: why I keep saying Brian Kemp, he delivers Georgia. If 386 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 4: you thought Glenn Youngkin did heck, if you thought Snunu 387 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 4: in New Hampshire. If you thought our buddy Ron Johnson 388 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 4: in Wisconsin. If you thought somebody in a toss up 389 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 4: state Carrie Lake, if she had won, maybe still in Arizona, 390 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 4: I don't know. If you thought somebody in a toss 391 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 4: up state could deliver his VP, that has to be 392 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 4: the pick. I do think though, that if you had 393 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 4: Tim Scott running against Joe Biden, and this is a 394 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 4: really fascinating question, I think that a lot of black 395 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 4: voters would support Tim Scott over Joe Biden relative to 396 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 4: historic norms, in particular black men, who I think are persuadable. 397 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 4: If you look at the data, black women overwhelmingly are 398 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 4: the most loyal portion of the Democrat party. Buckets. Why 399 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 4: Joe Biden when he won in South Carolina, promised that 400 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 4: he was going to put a black woman, which is 401 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 4: racist and sexist, on the Supreme Court, and eliminated everyone 402 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 4: else from consideration. But black men are persuadable, I believe. 403 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 3: So. 404 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 4: I think you have to look at the black vote 405 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 4: and say, it's actually two different dynamics. Black men vote 406 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 4: if you have a good candidate, sometimes twenty twenty five 407 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 4: percent for the Republican. Black women are like ninety eight 408 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 4: percent voting for the Democrat no matter what. 409 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 1: So I don't have a gender breakdown, but I was 410 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: able to pull up the data for the because to 411 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: your point, war knock against Walker, you have two black 412 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: men running against each other for that. Okay, I mean 413 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 1: so I kind of argument had been a discussion. The 414 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: discussion had been, well, you know, people would be more 415 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: comfortable who maybe were thinking they're centrists or you know, independence, 416 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: maybe they'd you know, black voters might be more comfortable 417 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: with Herschel. We didn't see that at all, But that's 418 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: a different situation. You got two black guys in California, 419 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: Larry Elder against Gavin Newsom in the recall. Gavin Newsom 420 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: got and now this is Gavin news that we're talking about, 421 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: and a very poorly run state. He got eighty four 422 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: percent of the black vote, so five or six points 423 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: went Larry's way in the state of California with its 424 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: you know, almost forty million people or whatever. 425 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 4: So I mean it's it's twenty. Democrats can't win. If 426 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 4: you ever got the black vote to eighty twenty, what 427 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 4: did you say, eighty four sixteen in California, which doesn't 428 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 4: have that big of a black population. I think California 429 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 4: only has like a twelve It was eight percent of 430 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 4: the overall electorate in California, Yeah, so pretty small. But 431 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 4: if you got nationwide ever to eighty twenty, just eighty twenty, 432 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 4: Democrat coalition does not work. And that's where I think 433 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 4: the race baiting would fall apart and identity politics would crumble. 434 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 4: Is the right Republican candidate? I think, and I. 435 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: Understand some of you out there like it will never happen. 436 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: Like I'm an optimist. 437 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 4: I think the right Republican candidate could get to eighty 438 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 4: twenty in twenty twenty four against Joe Biden. And if 439 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 4: you got to eighty twenty, that's like landslide numbers. 440 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: You also have to keep in mind that obviously the 441 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: numbers are not static for all the other demographics. Right, 442 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: So if let's say you have a Tim Scott, you 443 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 1: have it. You know, Tim Scott is the nominee. What 444 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 1: do work in class Hispanic voters think of his policies 445 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: visa the other Republican right, I mean it's it's not 446 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: as clear as you know, everything stays exactly exactly where 447 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: it is. Trump got I think it was eight is 448 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: that right? Eight percent? This is from memory now of 449 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: the black vote in twenty twenty, so it was ninety 450 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 1: two percent when for Joe Biden something like that, which. 451 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 4: Is maybe correct. I'm not sure I did it. I 452 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 4: did a deep dive on the analytics. The truth is 453 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 4: Trump gained in all minority voters in twenty twenty despite 454 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 4: being called racist for four years. Yeah, I mean the 455 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 4: the there was a major effort under the Trump administration, 456 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 4: and the first step Act was a part of this. 457 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 4: And some of you may have seen over the weekend 458 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 4: that someone who was pardoned by Obama I believe, not 459 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 4: by Trump under the clemency and leniency in policing or 460 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 4: in incarceration, just went well, went and murdered somebody on 461 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 4: the highway. So somebody who we were told was locked up. 462 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 4: It was no danger to society that the Obama administration 463 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 4: that President Obama himself pardoned, and there was a lot 464 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 4: of discussion about it. Killed someone, shot someone in the head. 465 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 4: So it's not as straightforward as we've all learned. Oh, 466 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 4: there's too much mass incarceration. We needed less of this. 467 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: The Trump administration decided that a way to win a 468 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 1: larger percentage of the minority vote in this country was 469 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: with the First Step Act. And by the way, I 470 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: believe Tim Scott was very favorable for the First Step Act. 471 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: I'd have to go back and check again. We're doing 472 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 1: a lot of talking here and my memory is not perfect, 473 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: but the First Step Act is we know did not 474 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: change in any meaningful way. As a policy, the black 475 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 1: vote for Donald Trump didn't work right, didn't work. So 476 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 1: on the policy side of things, we saw failure to 477 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: get more of the black vote in twenty twenty. On 478 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,959 Speaker 1: the identity politics side of things is what you're talking about, right, 479 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: If you had a charismatic, inspiring, you know, just respected 480 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: across the board politician like Tim Scott, would that move 481 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: the needle to your point to the you got to get. 482 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 1: I'd have to check the numbers. Sixteen seventeen, eighteen percent 483 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: of the black votation wide and then you win. Maybe 484 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: maybe you know. 485 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 4: And the other question about this buck is turnout motivation 486 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 4: on both sides, because what I was saying about the 487 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 4: thing that was interesting about herschel versus Warnock is having 488 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 4: two black guys running and a black woman on the 489 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 4: ticket as governor. The expectation was that black voter turnout 490 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 4: would skyrocket, right because you have three of the four 491 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 4: biggest offices that are for the twenty twenty two being 492 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 4: run with minority black candidates. Instead, the opposite happened. The 493 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 4: turnout as a share of the overall electorate went down. 494 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 4: How much of and this is psychological too, how much 495 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 4: of seeing yourself represented and it becoming more commonplace actually 496 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 4: makes you less likely as a black voter to be 497 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 4: as engaged on voting for the black candidate. In other words, 498 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 4: Obama as the first black presidential candidate, big story. It 499 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 4: didn't make a difference for Corey Booker, it didn't make 500 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 4: a difference for Kamala Harris. Both of those guys and 501 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 4: gals got absolutely crushed in the Republic in the Democrat primary. 502 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 4: So that's what we're thinking about, because a big part 503 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 4: of Trump and everything kind of circles back to twenty 504 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 4: twenty four is does Trump bring out certain low propensity 505 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 4: voters who will cast votes for Republicans? 506 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: Yes? Does he also do the same for Democrats? Yes? 507 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 4: And to what extent does Trump motivate turnout on both sides? 508 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 4: And how much of that is a negative versus a 509 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 4: positive in terms of winning elections. People didn't vote for Biden, 510 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 4: as we've said, they voted against Trump. How would that 511 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 4: play out for somebody like Tim Scott? I think that's 512 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 4: intriguing too. 513 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: Tomorrow morning at ten am Eastern, that's right, tomorrow morning, 514 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: my friends joined me for an exclusive online interview with 515 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: an amazing market analyst, Mason Sexton. If the name is familiar, 516 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: that's because he also happens to be my dad. We'll 517 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: be talking about the Great Disruption of twenty twenty three. 518 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: Dad's a Harvard Business School graduate and he worked on 519 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: Wall Street for over fifty years. He translated this into 520 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: a successful market timing service. He received worldwide attention for 521 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: his prediction of the nineteen eighty seven stock market crash, 522 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: and then went on to make many other incredibly accurate 523 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: and timely market calls. Here are some of the quotes 524 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: from Mason from back in the day. The New York 525 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: Post said he makes uncanny predictions of market turns. The 526 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: Economics said he could be the next market guru. Now, 527 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: Mason's coming forward again after advising hedge funds private behind 528 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: the scenes for years, with his first major prediction publicly 529 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: in thirty years. Something big is about to happen, and 530 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: it's going to be set in motion over the next 531 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: eight weeks. That's right, just the next eight weeks. We're 532 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: talking about here. Want the details, Go online to Disruption 533 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three dot com to sign up. 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We were 539 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 4: talking about the fact that it feels as if many 540 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 4: people who are entering the Republican race are auditioning to 541 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 4: be Donald Trump's vice president and if not his vice president, 542 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 4: secretary of Treasury, secretary of State, that they're they're interested 543 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 4: in being in the administration and the old it's I 544 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 4: want you guys to just pay attention to what's going 545 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 4: on here. The only person that has gone into the 546 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 4: Republican race that Donald Trump has actually attacked is Ron Decantis. 547 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: That's it. 548 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 4: Here's what Donald Trump had to say in the last 549 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 4: few minutes about Tim Scott entering. Good luck to Senator 550 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 4: Tim Scott in entering the Republican presidential primary race. It 551 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 4: is rapidly loading up with lots of people, and Tim 552 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 4: is a big step up from Ron dysanctimonious, who is 553 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,719 Speaker 4: totally unelectable. I got opportunity zones done with Tim, a 554 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 4: big deal that has been highly successful. Good luck Tim, 555 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 4: exclamation point right. That is Donald Trump's reaction. This is 556 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 4: a Trump race, This is a Trump to santisfied and 557 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 4: we all know it. And all these other candidates are 558 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 4: not going to be the president unless something dramatic happens 559 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 4: that I know, no one can really predict the future 560 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 4: of politics. But the things by the way that I 561 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 4: checked out while we were in the break, I was 562 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 4: I was actually far too generous toward Well, you look 563 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 4: at the there were a lot of. 564 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: Candidates in the recall in California. Gavin Newsom got eighty 565 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: four percent of the black vote personally, there were other 566 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: candidates beside Larry Elder who were also on that recall ballot. 567 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: So when you look at the number of Democrats, it's 568 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: like ninety ninety two percent. And then you look at 569 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham versus Tim Scott, and they weren't running, you know, 570 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: against each other. But Tim Scott got two percent more 571 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: of the black vote in South Carolina than Lindsay Graham 572 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: did two percent in his home state. So it has 573 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: just been these numbers have been immovable four years. That 574 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're not movable. That doesn't mean that the 575 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: identity politics got. 576 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 4: Run against Do we know is it another black candidate 577 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 4: that Again, this is we're doing data on the fly here. 578 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 4: It's it's challenged. I know, Lindsay Graham ran against a 579 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 4: black candidate for because they spent fifty million dollars or 580 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 4: whatever the heck it was to try to flip the 581 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 4: Lindsey Graham seat in South Carolina. And the reason why, 582 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 4: the identity politics thing I think that has not been 583 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 4: tested that often is what happens if a black Republican 584 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 4: runs against a white Democrat. Now it's in California, Larry Elder, 585 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 4: but it was exactly Larry Elder is. To be fair, 586 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 4: I think you know, a conservative talk radio host in 587 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 4: a state that doesn't have that high of a black population. 588 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 4: I just I am just curious if you had if 589 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 4: herschel Walker had been running against I don't know, like 590 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 4: asoff right the white guy, what would that have looked 591 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 4: like in terms of the numbers. And again, part of 592 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 4: the data here is just looking at the overall electorate 593 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 4: and analyzing it. Trump lost in twenty twenty not because 594 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 4: of the black vote. The black vote was actually down. 595 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,399 Speaker 4: Trump lost because suburban white women hate him, all right. 596 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:10,240 Speaker 1: That's the truth. 597 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 4: And my biggest thing on Trump as you move towards 598 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 4: twenty twenty four is how do you persuade suburban white 599 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,399 Speaker 4: women that Trump is not the devil? Because they turned 600 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 4: on him in a big way. 601 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,919 Speaker 1: Trump. Trump didn't do well enough with white women, for sure, 602 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: white suburban women, white working class voters in Russ Belt states, 603 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: and college in general, college educated white voters as well. 604 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: Now that those were the underperformance areas relative to twenty sixteen, 605 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: which I think is the important metric to look at, right, like, 606 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 1: he's got their other places where a Republican's gonna have 607 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 1: a tough time. Do you want to take We've got 608 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: a couple of people from South Carolina. You want to 609 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 1: let let our folks weigh in here? Got Denise in Columbia, 610 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: South Carolina? How you doing? 611 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 2: I'm great, but carry you, I would, Clay and. 612 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: I are fantastic, Denise. What's on your mind? 613 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 2: Well, I just had a few things too soon. Scott. 614 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,399 Speaker 2: He is incredibly one of the best senators we've had 615 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 2: in South Carolina. And my main concern is, like you 616 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 2: were just discussing about Lindsey Graham the fifty million dollars, 617 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 2: I would be worried that they would try to do 618 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 2: that again in South Carolina and point in cases Jacksonville. 619 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 4: You mean you mean you mean if Tim Scott were 620 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 4: not your senator, that there would be a lot of 621 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 4: money spent to try to replace him. Is that what 622 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 4: you're trying to say? 623 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Absolutely? 624 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 6: Yeah, uh well, I mean more in case you know, Jacksonville, 625 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 6: Florida just elected their first mayor Democrat mayor and and 626 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 6: as you'll know, a lot of people have been escaped 627 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 6: into South Carolina. 628 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 7: Liten. 629 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for calling in, Denise Barry from Columbia. 630 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: South Carolina's got another Tim Scott take How you doing Berry? 631 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:57,720 Speaker 7: Good? How are you? Thanks for taking the call? The 632 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:03,959 Speaker 7: issue of Tim Scott. You know this is an honorable man. 633 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 7: Now I just heard that he's black. Well okay, I'm lying, 634 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 7: but you know, I mean. 635 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: You like you like the idea of these running You 636 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: think he can be president? 637 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,800 Speaker 7: I think he can be president. 638 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: All right, thank you, Berry, thank you for calling in. 639 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: We had to get to Berry with the music means, 640 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: unfortunately the end of the hours here, so we had 641 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: to bounce. Apologies for that play. What what kind of 642 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: a wild, insightful and fun ride are you taking us 643 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: on to the next the next hour? We got so 644 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: many topics we were thinking about getting to where we 645 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: do have a table. 646 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 4: There's a great front page story on bud Light and 647 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:43,720 Speaker 4: the collapse there. 648 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 1: Also, I want to talk. 649 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 4: We did, we were gonna mention it, but this NUA 650 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 4: ACP boycott Yes Florida is among the most ridiculous stories 651 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 4: that I have seen in some time. We'll discuss both 652 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 4: and what they represent when we come back for hour two.